The CVO for me is like buying a prebuilt PC it is more expensive unlike building it your own but buys it at the store built with most accessory you usually need the minor caveat I wish they change the exhaust.
Wow! $30k. I don’t think the GS 1300 719 trim is $30k. Hard pass. Let’s be honest, the PA is no GS 1300. A loaded Triumph Tiger 900 is around $17k and it’s plenty of a touring ADV. HD is positioning themselves as a luxury brand so, they are going to start shedding the cheaper models.
I just went through the BMW configurator tool, and to get something package wise that resembles what you get out of a stock pan am special was 26,690 advertised price. That's just things like adaptive ride height, ride modes, side guards etc. That's no luggage, exhaust, or any farkles really. BMW is still just as if not more expensive lol.
Agree with your assessment of the CVO Pan America completely. Seems like the complete opposite direction they should've gone. Like instead of creating a Pan America Ultra Glide, they should've created a Pan America 883 Iron.
Great video. The Pan America CVO is a bit odd. Typically CVOs come with substantial upgrades to the engine, suspension, exhaust, paint and external add ons. Seems the Pan Am CVO is just paint and some external doodads.
@@cruisingwithkyle so far nothing ride stopping for me. The dashboard went dead during a ride in December and I rode it home like a chopper. There was a software update Dec 11 I applied that says it fixed the temp sensor bug in the dash module. Occasional I will get electrical stalls or screen reboots when I first start riding but it goes away after the charging system runs for awhile. I think it's the cold battery temp and weak idle charge output on the 2021s plus ARH operations at stop and go traffic.
Harley needs to build something like the KLR 650 under $10,000 low tech bike. Build it in India or china use the street 500 or 750 maybe even the 440? I ride a 2021 Road Glide limited year round in New England I’m looking for an inexpensive bike I can ride in the winter and take on gravel roads and trail occasionally the rest of the year. My fenders and frame are rusting, I want to stay Harley but they don’t offer anything I’ll be riding a Kawasaki.The Pan America is too high tech for a winter bike
Yeah I think Harley is missing the market on a lower priced entry level bike. I guess they consider themselves a “luxury” brand now but pushing people to the used market or other cheaper options is making them miss a significant portion of bike sales.
I think the CVO looks rad. You're absolutely right with parts and labor it almost costs as much as a CVO short 3k....I think they did everything right. If you want a hardcore ADV bike you need to get a KTM or GS....
Not if you do the math. It’s pretty basic. If you add up what they put on the Pan America CVO, you’re in line with what you’ll have in a special with the same parts. And you’re still less than the BMW GS and the Ducati Multistrada V4 with the same options. I priced them all before I bought my Pan America. The GS would’ve cost me 1800$ more and the Ducati would’ve been around 3k more. I was pricing them with all the options I wanted on them. I also priced them with the parts they had at the dealer. So you can save a couple bucks if you buy aftermarket.
I did the Austin to marble falls , marble falls to Leander and and Lakeline to the start of lime creek all the way to fm 620 best ride ever
Yeah it’s a great ride! Definitely going to be cruising it a lot more.
Hello friends!
I am a 2021 model owner
I'm interested in the CVO model
The CVO for me is like buying a prebuilt PC it is more expensive unlike building it your own but buys it at the store built with most accessory you usually need the minor caveat I wish they change the exhaust.
Haha it basically is like buying a prebuilt PC. Yeah I’m not sure why they didn’t upgrade the exhaust for the CVO.
What pipe are you running?
I have the Screaming Eagle Cannon from Harley.
So many diff ways to say " i can't afford it" in the comments...
Hahaha
Wow! $30k. I don’t think the GS 1300 719 trim is $30k.
Hard pass. Let’s be honest, the PA is no GS 1300. A loaded Triumph Tiger 900 is around $17k and it’s plenty of a touring ADV.
HD is positioning themselves as a luxury brand so, they are going to start shedding the cheaper models.
Agreed. I think Harley is missing the market for new riders. The entry level Harley is a used Harley which is unfortunate.
I just went through the BMW configurator tool, and to get something package wise that resembles what you get out of a stock pan am special was 26,690 advertised price. That's just things like adaptive ride height, ride modes, side guards etc. That's no luggage, exhaust, or any farkles really. BMW is still just as if not more expensive lol.
I got my 24 CVO for 23k MSRP. It's how you negotiate and shop. Not just walk in and buy on impulse.
I already did almost every upgrade to my GI pan.I think the cvoo pan looks like a circus color.
I thought too when I heard about the CVO that they were going to go more in the direction of off road!
Haven’t warched yet but I’m hoping this can help me decide if I should trade my 23 Sportster S in, I really want to do ADV
The Pan America is a great bike, I’m loving mine so far!
Harley have the 975cc Revmax engine in the Nightster. Good for lower displacement pot. lighter adv/tourer.
yeah that should definitely be their next move then
Agree with your assessment of the CVO Pan America completely. Seems like the complete opposite direction they should've gone. Like instead of creating a Pan America Ultra Glide, they should've created a Pan America 883 Iron.
Yeah a smaller bike just seems like the better move in my opinion.
Great video. The Pan America CVO is a bit odd. Typically CVOs come with substantial upgrades to the engine, suspension, exhaust, paint and external add ons. Seems the Pan Am CVO is just paint and some external doodads.
Yeah I’m not sure what they were going for. Maybe they started off simple for the first year of the CVO model to test the market with it.
Local dealers asking 32,499$
Yeah that’s a hefty price tag
Hell yeah man I got a used 21 PAS with 10k miles. Great bike so far except for occasional electrical gremlins 😂
Yeah I’m loving it! No electrical gremlins yet haha fingers crossed.
@@cruisingwithkyle so far nothing ride stopping for me.
The dashboard went dead during a ride in December and I rode it home like a chopper. There was a software update Dec 11 I applied that says it fixed the temp sensor bug in the dash module.
Occasional I will get electrical stalls or screen reboots when I first start riding but it goes away after the charging system runs for awhile. I think it's the cold battery temp and weak idle charge output on the 2021s plus ARH operations at stop and go traffic.
you have some great content
Thank you!
Looked like a "Radical" to me.
Great video! Do you have an aftermarket muffler on the bike?
Thanks! Yeah it’s the Screamin’ Eagle Exhaust from Harley.
Harley needs to build something like the KLR 650 under $10,000 low tech bike. Build it in India or china use the street 500 or 750 maybe even the 440? I ride a 2021 Road Glide limited year round in New England I’m looking for an inexpensive bike I can ride in the winter and take on gravel roads and trail occasionally the rest of the year. My fenders and frame are rusting, I want to stay Harley but they don’t offer anything I’ll be riding a Kawasaki.The Pan America is too high tech for a winter bike
Yeah I think Harley is missing the market on a lower priced entry level bike. I guess they consider themselves a “luxury” brand now but pushing people to the used market or other cheaper options is making them miss a significant portion of bike sales.
Exactly.. I’ll stick with my KLR until Harley can provide a cheaper option. Hopefully with a bigger front wheel too
I think the CVO looks rad. You're absolutely right with parts and labor it almost costs as much as a CVO short 3k....I think they did everything right. If you want a hardcore ADV bike you need to get a KTM or GS....
Pan America is absolutely a hardcore adventure bike.
CVO aka Rip you off …
Not if you do the math.
It’s pretty basic. If you add up what they put on the Pan America CVO, you’re in line with what you’ll have in a special with the same parts. And you’re still less than the BMW GS and the Ducati Multistrada V4 with the same options.
I priced them all before I bought my Pan America.
The GS would’ve cost me 1800$ more and the Ducati would’ve been around 3k more.
I was pricing them with all the options I wanted on them.
I also priced them with the parts they had at the dealer. So you can save a couple bucks if you buy aftermarket.
CVO is definitely an abbreviation of rip you off