I’ve only run a fast tempo + interval workout and a 5K TT so far in these but I am quite impressed. I was running faster paces than my perceived effort. I’d excitedly anticipated the release of this shoe, having enjoyed the Hyperion Tempos over the last 6 months or so. The HE2 fit me well out of the box. I like many of the same things I love about the Tempos: the snug midfoot fit and ability to lock that in with the laces, the generous toe box (don’t expect lost toenails in this shoe), and the super light, breathable upper. The midsole is springy and responsive and very protective at the same time. I agree with Ethan that it’s not a soft, trampoline kind of bounciness. But I like that the plate is not noticeable at slower paces where the roll design dominates, and at quicker paces it encourages you to fly, especially if you’re a midfoot striker (as I am). Despite the non-gusseted tongue, for me it stays put as it does in the Hyperion Tempos as well. Hopefully Brooks will address this in v.3. The biggest issue many have mentioned (including Ethan) is the heel collar rubbing and causing blisters on the Achilles area. To err on the side of caution, I put a little piece of tape there and had no problem. I also wear quarter-crew socks so am not sure I’d have had a problem anyway. I expect that edge will soften with use anyway, but I’m sure Brooks is listening. I get great lockdown but obviously the fit in the collar is not ideal for everyone. I have an average width foot and to me this shoe is comfortable, fun and most notably, very stable. I’m a neutral runner but I ordered a couple of “super shoes” to try and had my husband film my feet from behind in slow motion while I ran on the treadmill. Despite the high stack height, my landings in this shoe were perfectly stable (normal, healthy pronation). In starkest comparison were the NB RC Elites, which had impressed me at first as being an extremely bouncy, seductive shoe. However, we were shocked to see that they forced a pronounced extra movement at every footfall-a pronation I don’t naturally have. Amplifying that over 26.2 miles cannot be a good thing, so I immediately returned them. When I finally took the HE2’s outside and did those fast workouts, my legs felt fresher than they normally would after that kind of run, so I am very much looking forward to taking them to HM and marathon distance. I’m curious what people will say about the NB RC after taking them to long distances. I intend to use the HE2 for racing only but I did want to test them out to be sure they were “keepers”. As I’ve mentioned in a reply to another comment here, my purpose for having one high stack carbon-plated racer is as much about protection as about speed. I’ve only done one marathon, last year at age 68. I qualified for Boston, which of course was subsequently cancelled. I still hope to do that one more marathon but I will be near or over 70 when it finally happens. I want to finish with fresher muscles and less sore joints than I did in the low stack shoes I qualified in. Martha
I have a friend works at the Brooks Trailhead and they were able to hook me up with the Friends and Family discount. So naturally, I snatched it up. Even if I didn’t have the discount, I probably would have ended up getting them anyway since I’m running the Chicago Marathon in 2021 and want to break 3:48. I tried the original Elites and wasn’t a fan, so I didn’t end up getting them. It’s a good thing that I waited for the 2s. This is a GREAT racing shoe! I’ve worn it for a couple of virtual races, and I intend to keep it for racing only, whether virtual or in person. Positives: The DNA Flash is fantastic! I have the Hyperion Tempos and I’m in love with them. They pair well together, as intended. Like you mentioned, I can FEEL like I’m going faster when I’ve worn them. I definitely have faster turnover in these compared to my other long distance shoes (Hoka One One Arahi 4s). Negatives: It’s probably just my feet, but even with getting fitted properly when I got them, I’m pretty sure that I’m losing my right big toe. Again 🥴 I wore them for my virtual Chicago marathon on Sunday and I definitely was feeling more pain in my feet around mile 23. I got chafing on my Achilles, which is something that can be easily fixed. I have about 40ish miles on them so far. All in all, I love them 😊
I bought this shoe as a present to myself on Aug 31, the day before the official launch in Canada. I paid CAD$299 so I guess I got a good deal! the lock-down is a bit tricky for me to achieve but once I have it, I don't have any issues as long as I'm not wearing thin or ankle socks. The Saucony Endorphin Speed is still my go to for 5k and 10k, but for hard efforts over 16k, this is my shoe! The speed roll is noticeable and fun, and the midsole is so responsive. I have a wider foot and these are snug (I wear a wide width Ghost) but I like a snug shoe for racing.
I bought the Hyperion Elite 2 days ago. Fitted well as true size. I had a similar issue to lock my left ankle and there is some friction on my Aquiles. However, during the run, I didn't feel any hot spot, maybe because I'm a midfoot runner. I use max cushion trainer as daily shoes (Triumph 17/18) and I felt the cushion ok. I caught myself running faster than I imagined a couple of times that gives me the sensation that I can be fast with less effort than my regular trainer. Still my first sessions, but I'm confident that it would be my race shoes for this season. I agree that it's not a daily trainer. It likes to go fast.
I got this one and I like it a lot. It’s the carbon racer I decided to roll the dice on this year, and overall I think it’s a great race day option if it doesn’t shred your achilles. I agree that at $250 it’s a spicy meatball for a specialized shoe but it works better for me than the Next%. Would kill for a gusseted tongue though
I heard the caveats about the Achilles blisters so slapped a little square of tape over that area prophylactically to err on the side of caution. I haven’t had any issues, and I expect as it softens up I won’t need the tape (and may not have needed it anyway). I’m sure Brooks is listening and will modify the heel collar design in v.3. Luckily, I also find the tongue both on this and the Hyp. Tempos stays put but hopefully they’ll listen about that too. Martha
Cameron, if you read my main comment, after I got accepted for Boston I celebrated by ordering the Next %. I only tried them on the treadmill and wrapped them in plastic to save for the marathon. However, I was a little discomfited with concern about the fit. My toes on my larger foot were really close to the toe bumper and while I know most people-especially for that shoe-prefer a snug fit, I was worried about not knowing how it would affect me in the race. A 1/2 size larger would have swum on me. I also wondered about the lack of stability. So when the other brands started releasing their competing shoes, I returned the Nikes while I could. Please let me know what you didn’t like about the Next %! Martha
@@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 hey Martha! It’s so funny imagining someone running with plastic wrapped Next% on a treadmill (even though I don’t think that’s what you meant-but still). 😂 So the fit and late-race stability were big issues for me. I should have gone up a half size (which in this case is a full size up from what I wear usually), but I didn’t, and my little toe suffered for it in the marathon. Also, because the shoe is so narrow especially through the mid foot I found that as my form degraded late in the race I was working against the shoe more than with it. I distinctly remember feeling like I was fighting it from miles 22 onward. So I knew I had to find something else after that experience.
@@BirdfluDracula LOL about plastic wrapped shoes. No, I was worried about keeping the integrity of the midsole while storing it for the better part of a year! You just reinforced what my gut was telling me. It would have been foolish to take a chance on those shoes on a marathon without being sure they were right for me. They had almost no ground feel and my gait in them didn’t feel natural to me. But especially the fit issue-I bet I’d lose a toenail and 1/2 size up was sloppy and therefore even more unstable. I’m happy I waited to check out the carbon shoes released this year. Nice “seeing” you here as well as on Kofuzi’s livestream.
Agree on the shoes not being for mid to back of the pack runners. I bought the first version and they only felt comfortable when I was in the low sevens. I am a much slower runner than that. On the other hand I did run a half mile at a 6:30 pace which I haven't done in many years.
Thank you for mentioning a suitable pace range. I find it difficult when a reviewer says a shoe comes alive at marathon race pace, but doesn't mention whether they're a 6'/mile monster or an 8'/mile mortal. I ran a season's best half in my Tempo Next%, but they destroyed my legs when I slowed down for a marathon.
I have this shoe, and overall it is good. But for me, I would not suggest it as the price point is way too high. I personally think the Saucony speed or pro , which I both have, will get the job done and you can save money
Interesting🤔. What is your first pick then? Shall we wait for the Rocket X review? It won’t affect any racing plans in a near future anyways🤣 If I’m allowed an off topic question, how do you compare the Hyperion Tempo (DNA Flash) vs Razor + (Hyperburst)? Love the channel, films are amazing and every time I went against your shoes’ recommendation I kinda regretted it😅.
Heavy, and firm with a narrow toe box. The speed roll is OK, and does let you oick up the pace a bit, but this definitely not made for speed workouts. Overall...eh.
It's like Nike set the price of all carbon plated shoes for everyone else. As soon as a company steps up with a $175 carbon plated shoe than things start to change, as long as that shoe is competitive
Looks good and looks more cushioned than my beloved Hoka CarbonX ($180, 300+miles) which I absolutely love love (2nd pair) but the carbon plate & extreme rocker design took me a couple weeks of sore quads worth of running in to get used to. I really like the Hoka uni-sock/tongue-free design
I've skipped the carbon shoes this far (I'm not competing against anyone but myself and don't want to be 3 percent faster because of shoes) but I have the same experience with the Nike React Infinity. I've run in Hoka's for years, with their meta rocker, but the infinity is a whole different beast. I can only run in it with a full roll, landing much nearer my heel that what I'm used to. I'm still really undecided about it
Nelsonomics Runs-I tried the Carbon X and it was just too firm for me, though I enjoyed the smoothness of the roll. I also started to get callouses (fortunately instead of blisters) on the inside of the big-toe metatarsal, so I guess they were on the narrow side for my average width foot. The fit of the HE2 seems to agree with me much more, as does their roll technology. I do think the DNA flash cushioning is better on the Brooks, though that’s a personal preference. Hopefully they’ll gusset the tongue and improve the heel collar fit on the next version, those being the two major complaints though they aren’t problematical for me. Martha
Hi Mike. Interestingly, for me the tongue doesn’t move far enough for me to feel it on either this or the Hyperion Tempos. Once I get the right lockdown on those laces I don’t feel anything. I wear quarter crew socks with this shoe, heeding the caveats about Achilles blisters some have gotten from the back heel collar. Maybe the higher socks are helping to keep the tongue in place. I’m sure Brooks is listening to these two main complaints and will address them in v.3.
why would anyone want to train daily miles in a carbon plate shoe, anyway? I think with this carbon trend we'll see a lot of joggers giving bad reviews of their race-specific shoes because they aren't very good for jogging 8-12 min miles. Some still think Price=Quality
It’s a distinction that should be made. Not everyone has a $250 budget for a race-only shoe, there’s also plated shoes that DO work well as trainer + racer. If your familiar with my reviews, some plated shoes hit high marks and are in regular rotation, no matter my speed
@@TheGingerRunner I never miss a review! Your observations are similar to my own regarding shoes, so your reviews are ones I can trust. Except style; you're taste is questionable🤣 My point was more or less echoing your "conclusions" here regarding price and inclusion of a C-plate, and especially race-specific shoes
250 dollars. £210 in the UK. I would not stock it as a retailer. £155 for Kayano in my ceiling. The makers IMHO are exploiting the desperation of would be "elite" runners seeking that marginal gain to get their times down. I can't wondering how many runners have been injured transitioning from low stack non plated traditional very flexible racing flats to these and other plated shoes which stiff as a board. Good review however as always. What's new and selling? 361 Nemesis is going very well.
HE2. I bought exactly these two shoes to compare and the Brooks has much better fit for me and indisputably more room in the toebox. I have an average width foot-if anything on the narrower side. The lacing system allows me to cinch up for a great midfoot lockdown. Some people aren’t crazy about the stretchy laces but I like them because once you get them right, the barbed-like edges don’t let them budge, and the stretch ones doesn’t put pressure on the top of the foot. I don’t foresee any lost toenails in the fit of this shoe. If hugs my foot but there’s enough space that I don’t touch the toe bumper. My big issue with the NB RC Elite was that it promoted a pronation that I don’t naturally have. My husband filmed me from behind in slow motion while testing both on the treadmill and we were shocked at how the NB caused almost a double landing and pronounced extra movement in my ankles. That lateral flare on the midsole is supposed to make them more stable but it does the opposite and several reviewers and commenters have noted this. While the NB was seductively fun and bouncy I was very leery to take a chance on the effects of that extra motion amplified over the course of 26.2 miles. On the contrary, the HE2 was the most stable shoe in that filming session-even more stable than my low-stack adidas Bostons!
Awesome review as always (yours are the only ones I watch these days). I have a question though, could that shoe improve your running technique or would you, when going back to a minimalist shoe, find out that the technique had deteriorated ? As the prices go up so very significantly I can't help but feel something is a bit off and the simplicity of running risks getting lost... once we start relying on the shoe to get us were we want to go, well...
I agree. I'm staying away from plates shoes as I'm only competing with myself. Put on a shoe that improves running economy by 3 percent and all previous paces and achievements are out the window
I wear low stack shoes with ample ground feel 90% of the time and bought these strictly for racing. I bought them as much for protection as for speed. I have only done one marathon, last year at age 68, and I qualified for Boston. Of course it was ultimately cancelled but I still hope to do that one more marathon but with more protection, because I’ll be close to-or over--70 when that finally happens. Based on my couple of test runs in this so far, my legs will be fresher and joints healthier after 26.2 miles than they were in the normal stack shoes I wore on my first marathon.
if i love the hyperion tempo would this make a good race shoe for me? or is it just not different enough? this is all assuming races happen again, of course.
I have both now and they pair well. But they are different enough that I wouldn’t consider one a substitute for the others. The HE2 is even lighter than the Tempos, it has the pronounced roll technology which is not part of the design of the Tempos. While the carbon plate is subtle enough that it doesn’t get in the way at slower paces, it definitely adds a snappiness at faster paces. All that being said, the Hyperion Tempos are race-worthy shoes, and especially up to HM distance. Beyond that it depends on your ankle/foot strength whether you need and want the extra cushion, assistance from the carbon plate and excellent stability of the HE2. Martha
@@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 Yes, the Hyperion Tempos are race-worthy. Yesterday I ran my first sub 3 hours marathon with the shoes (yes, you can still race in Finland). I’m really interested of the HE2’s but I’m not sure if I’m going to spend 250 euros.
Oh magic ginger ball... what are the things a heavier runner should look for in a running shoe? The internet is a confusing place. I’m about 195 and run about a 7:30 pace for 6 miles. I run for weight loss, half marathons and trails with an ultra as an eventual goal... but personal bests are not really a concern for me. Just avoiding injuries. Not asking for a specific shoe recommendation just what you think is most important... cushion, stability, heel-drop, etc.
I feel like maybe you’re more of a “why”. I get it though, Seattle brand, hard to stay unbiased. Appreciate the honesty though, as alway, great review GR!
Nah, being Seattle based doesn’t sway my opinion (I regularly call Brooks out on their shoes - how do they have terrible grip when some of the world’s best trails are in their backyard!?) But, these - for what they were designed for - are delivering. They’re a Try (primarily for those who are looking for responsive plated shoe just for racing)
I'm 3:20ish (160 lbs if it matters) marathoner looking for my first carbon plate racer. I am gravitating to the Pro. How would you or anyone else on this compare to the Elite? Thanks
well, $250 is in line for a magical racing shoe...for people who race. But at that price, I'd get the proven magic of the Vaporfly line and not this First Year Hogwarts magic.
After years of stagnation in Brooks' shoe development, they are back on the field with an unreasonable price level. There are a lot of good shoes out there at much more reasonable prices.
It should be illegal to run in a carbon plated shoe at paces slower than 6 minutes per mile. I think that one runs faster in a race when he does training in a slower shoe and for most marathon runners the cost of the shoe is not so important when we talk about the peak race with a lot of other costs involved like flights, hotels and 500 hours invested in training.
250....hard pass. maybe we are paying for research and development.., so it will go down in a few years ? I don’t know. mid pack elite.., I love that. thanks for the review.. great work
We pay mostly for the buzz of Nike has put in the market … a fact you can find Atreyu The Artist at 100$, Skechers GOrun Razor 3 Elite at 155$, Saucony Endorphin Speed at 160$..We have to make the right choice!
Years inspired/entertained by GingerR. This is depressing. It's news from a planet few inhabit or wish to. The great, democratic thing that brings us all together - running as best we can - isn't served by encouraging 250 shoes. It'll make 200 seem reasonable, and it's not. The current trend isn't sustainable, or of use to most runners. Nor are the shoes. In the end, it's divisive. Not why most of us run. Excuse the solemnity.
I’ve only run a fast tempo + interval workout and a 5K TT so far in these but I am quite impressed. I was running faster paces than my perceived effort. I’d excitedly anticipated the release of this shoe, having enjoyed the Hyperion Tempos over the last 6 months or so. The HE2 fit me well out of the box. I like many of the same things I love about the Tempos: the snug midfoot fit and ability to lock that in with the laces, the generous toe box (don’t expect lost toenails in this shoe), and the super light, breathable upper. The midsole is springy and responsive and very protective at the same time. I agree with Ethan that it’s not a soft, trampoline kind of bounciness. But I like that the plate is not noticeable at slower paces where the roll design dominates, and at quicker paces it encourages you to fly, especially if you’re a midfoot striker (as I am). Despite the non-gusseted tongue, for me it stays put as it does in the Hyperion Tempos as well. Hopefully Brooks will address this in v.3. The biggest issue many have mentioned (including Ethan) is the heel collar rubbing and causing blisters on the Achilles area. To err on the side of caution, I put a little piece of tape there and had no problem. I also wear quarter-crew socks so am not sure I’d have had a problem anyway. I expect that edge will soften with use anyway, but I’m sure Brooks is listening. I get great lockdown but obviously the fit in the collar is not ideal for everyone. I have an average width foot and to me this shoe is comfortable, fun and most notably, very stable. I’m a neutral runner but I ordered a couple of “super shoes” to try and had my husband film my feet from behind in slow motion while I ran on the treadmill. Despite the high stack height, my landings in this shoe were perfectly stable (normal, healthy pronation). In starkest comparison were the NB RC Elites, which had impressed me at first as being an extremely bouncy, seductive shoe. However, we were shocked to see that they forced a pronounced extra movement at every footfall-a pronation I don’t naturally have. Amplifying that over 26.2 miles cannot be a good thing, so I immediately returned them. When I finally took the HE2’s outside and did those fast workouts, my legs felt fresher than they normally would after that kind of run, so I am very much looking forward to taking them to HM and marathon distance. I’m curious what people will say about the NB RC after taking them to long distances. I intend to use the HE2 for racing only but I did want to test them out to be sure they were “keepers”. As I’ve mentioned in a reply to another comment here, my purpose for having one high stack carbon-plated racer is as much about protection as about speed. I’ve only done one marathon, last year at age 68. I qualified for Boston, which of course was subsequently cancelled. I still hope to do that one more marathon but I will be near or over 70 when it finally happens. I want to finish with fresher muscles and less sore joints than I did in the low stack shoes I qualified in. Martha
I have a friend works at the Brooks Trailhead and they were able to hook me up with the Friends and Family discount.
So naturally, I snatched it up. Even if I didn’t have the discount, I probably would have ended up getting them anyway since I’m running the Chicago Marathon in 2021 and want to break 3:48.
I tried the original Elites and wasn’t a fan, so I didn’t end up getting them. It’s a good thing that I waited for the 2s.
This is a GREAT racing shoe! I’ve worn it for a couple of virtual races, and I intend to keep it for racing only, whether virtual or in person.
Positives: The DNA Flash is fantastic! I have the Hyperion Tempos and I’m in love with them. They pair well together, as intended. Like you mentioned, I can FEEL like I’m going faster when I’ve worn them. I definitely have faster turnover in these compared to my other long distance shoes (Hoka One One Arahi 4s).
Negatives: It’s probably just my feet, but even with getting fitted properly when I got them, I’m pretty sure that I’m losing my right big toe. Again 🥴 I wore them for my virtual Chicago marathon on Sunday and I definitely was feeling more pain in my feet around mile 23. I got chafing on my Achilles, which is something that can be easily fixed.
I have about 40ish miles on them so far.
All in all, I love them 😊
I bought this shoe as a present to myself on Aug 31, the day before the official launch in Canada. I paid CAD$299 so I guess I got a good deal! the lock-down is a bit tricky for me to achieve but once I have it, I don't have any issues as long as I'm not wearing thin or ankle socks. The Saucony Endorphin Speed is still my go to for 5k and 10k, but for hard efforts over 16k, this is my shoe! The speed roll is noticeable and fun, and the midsole is so responsive. I have a wider foot and these are snug (I wear a wide width Ghost) but I like a snug shoe for racing.
I bought the Hyperion Elite 2 days ago. Fitted well as true size. I had a similar issue to lock my left ankle and there is some friction on my Aquiles. However, during the run, I didn't feel any hot spot, maybe because I'm a midfoot runner. I use max cushion trainer as daily shoes (Triumph 17/18) and I felt the cushion ok. I caught myself running faster than I imagined a couple of times that gives me the sensation that I can be fast with less effort than my regular trainer. Still my first sessions, but I'm confident that it would be my race shoes for this season. I agree that it's not a daily trainer. It likes to go fast.
I got this one and I like it a lot. It’s the carbon racer I decided to roll the dice on this year, and overall I think it’s a great race day option if it doesn’t shred your achilles. I agree that at $250 it’s a spicy meatball for a specialized shoe but it works better for me than the Next%. Would kill for a gusseted tongue though
I heard the caveats about the Achilles blisters so slapped a little square of tape over that area prophylactically to err on the side of caution. I haven’t had any issues, and I expect as it softens up I won’t need the tape (and may not have needed it anyway). I’m sure Brooks is listening and will modify the heel collar design in v.3. Luckily, I also find the tongue both on this and the Hyp. Tempos stays put but hopefully they’ll listen about that too. Martha
@@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 I was wondering if that was your review I saw on Running Warehouse! 🤣
Cameron, if you read my main comment, after I got accepted for Boston I celebrated by ordering the Next %. I only tried them on the treadmill and wrapped them in plastic to save for the marathon. However, I was a little discomfited with concern about the fit. My toes on my larger foot were really close to the toe bumper and while I know most people-especially for that shoe-prefer a snug fit, I was worried about not knowing how it would affect me in the race. A 1/2 size larger would have swum on me. I also wondered about the lack of stability. So when the other brands started releasing their competing shoes, I returned the Nikes while I could. Please let me know what you didn’t like about the Next %! Martha
@@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 hey Martha! It’s so funny imagining someone running with plastic wrapped Next% on a treadmill (even though I don’t think that’s what you meant-but still). 😂 So the fit and late-race stability were big issues for me. I should have gone up a half size (which in this case is a full size up from what I wear usually), but I didn’t, and my little toe suffered for it in the marathon. Also, because the shoe is so narrow especially through the mid foot I found that as my form degraded late in the race I was working against the shoe more than with it. I distinctly remember feeling like I was fighting it from miles 22 onward. So I knew I had to find something else after that experience.
@@BirdfluDracula LOL about plastic wrapped shoes. No, I was worried about keeping the integrity of the midsole while storing it for the better part of a year! You just reinforced what my gut was telling me. It would have been foolish to take a chance on those shoes on a marathon without being sure they were right for me. They had almost no ground feel and my gait in them didn’t feel natural to me. But especially the fit issue-I bet I’d lose a toenail and 1/2 size up was sloppy and therefore even more unstable. I’m happy I waited to check out the carbon shoes released this year. Nice “seeing” you here as well as on Kofuzi’s livestream.
Agree on the shoes not being for mid to back of the pack runners. I bought the first version and they only felt comfortable when I was in the low sevens. I am a much slower runner than that. On the other hand I did run a half mile at a 6:30 pace which I haven't done in many years.
Thank you for mentioning a suitable pace range. I find it difficult when a reviewer says a shoe comes alive at marathon race pace, but doesn't mention whether they're a 6'/mile monster or an 8'/mile mortal. I ran a season's best half in my Tempo Next%, but they destroyed my legs when I slowed down for a marathon.
"Time to sell a kidney" $250
The usual “Apple tax”
Can you wear these for everyday walking?
I have this shoe, and overall it is good. But for me, I would not suggest it as the price point is way too high. I personally think the Saucony speed or pro , which I both have, will get the job done and you can save money
Love these for 3200, 1600, 5 and 10k races
Interesting🤔. What is your first pick then? Shall we wait for the Rocket X review? It won’t affect any racing plans in a near future anyways🤣
If I’m allowed an off topic question, how do you compare the Hyperion Tempo (DNA Flash) vs Razor + (Hyperburst)?
Love the channel, films are amazing and every time I went against your shoes’ recommendation I kinda regretted it😅.
This video just made me get that sweet Rivs hat.
Thank you for supporting him! He’s such an amazing human.
Looking forward to the Hoka Carbon X2?
Please review the Saucony Endorphin Shift!
Heavy, and firm with a narrow toe box. The speed roll is OK, and does let you oick up the pace a bit, but this definitely not made for speed workouts.
Overall...eh.
Pre order might be closed now, but check out a new show company called Atreyu. They have a carbon plated racer priced at $100!!
It's like Nike set the price of all carbon plated shoes for everyone else. As soon as a company steps up with a $175 carbon plated shoe than things start to change, as long as that shoe is competitive
Comfort in a carbonplated shoe...the new balance fuel cell tc is fab.
Just reviewed the NB and really liked it!
Looks good and looks more cushioned than my beloved Hoka CarbonX ($180, 300+miles) which I absolutely love love (2nd pair) but the carbon plate & extreme rocker design took me a couple weeks of sore quads worth of running in to get used to. I really like the Hoka uni-sock/tongue-free design
I've skipped the carbon shoes this far (I'm not competing against anyone but myself and don't want to be 3 percent faster because of shoes) but I have the same experience with the Nike React Infinity.
I've run in Hoka's for years, with their meta rocker, but the infinity is a whole different beast. I can only run in it with a full roll, landing much nearer my heel that what I'm used to. I'm still really undecided about it
Nelsonomics Runs-I tried the Carbon X and it was just too firm for me, though I enjoyed the smoothness of the roll. I also started to get callouses (fortunately instead of blisters) on the inside of the big-toe metatarsal, so I guess they were on the narrow side for my average width foot. The fit of the HE2 seems to agree with me much more, as does their roll technology. I do think the DNA flash cushioning is better on the Brooks, though that’s a personal preference. Hopefully they’ll gusset the tongue and improve the heel collar fit on the next version, those being the two major complaints though they aren’t problematical for me. Martha
Having a lot of fun in this shoe. But the tongue is all over the place
Hi Mike. Interestingly, for me the tongue doesn’t move far enough for me to feel it on either this or the Hyperion Tempos. Once I get the right lockdown on those laces I don’t feel anything. I wear quarter crew socks with this shoe, heeding the caveats about Achilles blisters some have gotten from the back heel collar. Maybe the higher socks are helping to keep the tongue in place. I’m sure Brooks is listening to these two main complaints and will address them in v.3.
I’m ALL about gusseted tongues.
why would anyone want to train daily miles in a carbon plate shoe, anyway? I think with this carbon trend we'll see a lot of joggers giving bad reviews of their race-specific shoes because they aren't very good for jogging 8-12 min miles. Some still think Price=Quality
It’s a distinction that should be made. Not everyone has a $250 budget for a race-only shoe, there’s also plated shoes that DO work well as trainer + racer. If your familiar with my reviews, some plated shoes hit high marks and are in regular rotation, no matter my speed
@@TheGingerRunner I never miss a review! Your observations are similar to my own regarding shoes, so your reviews are ones I can trust. Except style; you're taste is questionable🤣 My point was more or less echoing your "conclusions" here regarding price and inclusion of a C-plate, and especially race-specific shoes
250 dollars. £210 in the UK. I would not stock it as a retailer. £155 for Kayano in my ceiling. The makers IMHO are exploiting the desperation of would be "elite" runners seeking that marginal gain to get their times down. I can't wondering how many runners have been injured transitioning from low stack non plated traditional very flexible racing flats to these and other plated shoes which stiff as a board. Good review however as always. What's new and selling? 361 Nemesis is going very well.
hyperion elite 2 or NB RC Elite for a wider toe box racer?
100% brooks
HE2. I bought exactly these two shoes to compare and the Brooks has much better fit for me and indisputably more room in the toebox. I have an average width foot-if anything on the narrower side. The lacing system allows me to cinch up for a great midfoot lockdown. Some people aren’t crazy about the stretchy laces but I like them because once you get them right, the barbed-like edges don’t let them budge, and the stretch ones doesn’t put pressure on the top of the foot. I don’t foresee any lost toenails in the fit of this shoe. If hugs my foot but there’s enough space that I don’t touch the toe bumper. My big issue with the NB RC Elite was that it promoted a pronation that I don’t naturally have. My husband filmed me from behind in slow motion while testing both on the treadmill and we were shocked at how the NB caused almost a double landing and pronounced extra movement in my ankles. That lateral flare on the midsole is supposed to make them more stable but it does the opposite and several reviewers and commenters have noted this. While the NB was seductively fun and bouncy I was very leery to take a chance on the effects of that extra motion amplified over the course of 26.2 miles. On the contrary, the HE2 was the most stable shoe in that filming session-even more stable than my low-stack adidas Bostons!
I'm curious to know how many carbon fiber plated shoes you own Ethan.
I’ve donated some over the last few years, but at least 8 pairs currently
Awesome review as always (yours are the only ones I watch these days).
I have a question though, could that shoe improve your running technique or would you, when going back to a minimalist shoe, find out that the technique had deteriorated ?
As the prices go up so very significantly I can't help but feel something is a bit off and the simplicity of running risks getting lost... once we start relying on the shoe to get us were we want to go, well...
I agree. I'm staying away from plates shoes as I'm only competing with myself. Put on a shoe that improves running economy by 3 percent and all previous paces and achievements are out the window
@@madsolesen2883 Thought the same thing.
Making it easier doesn't make ME stronger or better.
@@Peekingduck exactly!
I wear low stack shoes with ample ground feel 90% of the time and bought these strictly for racing. I bought them as much for protection as for speed. I have only done one marathon, last year at age 68, and I qualified for Boston. Of course it was ultimately cancelled but I still hope to do that one more marathon but with more protection, because I’ll be close to-or over--70 when that finally happens. Based on my couple of test runs in this so far, my legs will be fresher and joints healthier after 26.2 miles than they were in the normal stack shoes I wore on my first marathon.
if i love the hyperion tempo would this make a good race shoe for me? or is it just not different enough? this is all assuming races happen again, of course.
Brooks idea was for the Hyperion tempo to be the daily trainer for this shoe. It should coincide nicely
I have both now and they pair well. But they are different enough that I wouldn’t consider one a substitute for the others. The HE2 is even lighter than the Tempos, it has the pronounced roll technology which is not part of the design of the Tempos. While the carbon plate is subtle enough that it doesn’t get in the way at slower paces, it definitely adds a snappiness at faster paces. All that being said, the Hyperion Tempos are race-worthy shoes, and especially up to HM distance. Beyond that it depends on your ankle/foot strength whether you need and want the extra cushion, assistance from the carbon plate and excellent stability of the HE2. Martha
@@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 Yes, the Hyperion Tempos are race-worthy. Yesterday I ran my first sub 3 hours marathon with the shoes (yes, you can still race in Finland). I’m really interested of the HE2’s but I’m not sure if I’m going to spend 250 euros.
hello i cannot seem to find the video you mention at 1:30
Looks like Sketchers and Hoka had a Fall Fling.
Oh magic ginger ball... what are the things a heavier runner should look for in a running shoe? The internet is a confusing place. I’m about 195 and run about a 7:30 pace for 6 miles. I run for weight loss, half marathons and trails with an ultra as an eventual goal... but personal bests are not really a concern for me. Just avoiding injuries. Not asking for a specific shoe recommendation just what you think is most important... cushion, stability, heel-drop, etc.
I want this hat!
Have you ever tried the nike zoom x vaporfly?
Pointy toed elf shoes. Envious of those that can wear such things :)
Ethan.. I need that gingerrunner.. follow me to beer shirt. I'll wear it running along our dutch windmills and cows.. but where to buy??
do u recommed it for half marthon bro
I love the hat where can one get it?
Oh also great review as always.
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@@TheGingerRunner oh heck yeah thank you.
Running in platforms.
I got this one for about 160$. Because in korea, Brooks is giving early bird discounts.
Are valid for training!?
I feel like maybe you’re more of a “why”. I get it though, Seattle brand, hard to stay unbiased. Appreciate the honesty though, as alway, great review GR!
Nah, being Seattle based doesn’t sway my opinion (I regularly call Brooks out on their shoes - how do they have terrible grip when some of the world’s best trails are in their backyard!?) But, these - for what they were designed for - are delivering. They’re a Try (primarily for those who are looking for responsive plated shoe just for racing)
I'm 3:20ish (160 lbs if it matters) marathoner looking for my first carbon plate racer. I am gravitating to the Pro.
How would you or anyone else on this compare to the Elite? Thanks
$250 ?????? Hahahahaha!!! For that price I would almost want a tailored lock down.
I have never clicked on a video so fast
"...probably not my first pick". What would be your first choice then Ethan?
Here from 2023 and some daily trainers are almost $200. Oh how naive we all were 😞
Hard pass just because of the price point. These companies are really out of touch with reality.
well, $250 is in line for a magical racing shoe...for people who race. But at that price, I'd get the proven magic of the Vaporfly line and not this First Year Hogwarts magic.
Breaking 3.... Priceless.
TWO HUNDRED FIFTY DOLLAR ?!?!?!?!?! 😭
I believe its too overpriced as is the case with all Carbon-plated offerings from all companies apart from Adidas and Saucony to some degree
These are more confortable and durable than the other two ur mentioning
looks cool. wanna see it do an ultra race
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There’s a cat
Nice looking shoe unlike that horrible horrible NIKE contraption.
After years of stagnation in Brooks' shoe development, they are back on the field with an unreasonable price level. There are a lot of good shoes out there at much more reasonable prices.
I have a feeling that Endorphin Speed is better than this...
It should be illegal to run in a carbon plated shoe at paces slower than 6 minutes per mile. I think that one runs faster in a race when he does training in a slower shoe and for most marathon runners the cost of the shoe is not so important when we talk about the peak race with a lot of other costs involved like flights, hotels and 500 hours invested in training.
new thumbnail threw me off
Testing some UA-cam algorithm stuff. They’re always changing it (and it sucks)
Please put grams on the screen with your reviews. I was not raised with ounces.
250....hard pass. maybe we are paying for research and development.., so it will go down in a few years ? I don’t know.
mid pack elite.., I love that. thanks for the review.. great work
We pay mostly for the buzz of Nike has put in the market … a fact you can find Atreyu The Artist at 100$, Skechers GOrun Razor 3 Elite at 155$, Saucony Endorphin Speed at 160$..We have to make the right choice!
Damn , $250? I can get two other pairs of great shoes for that price. And it's . . . really yellow.
Brooks and their freaking stretchy laces SUCK
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Years inspired/entertained by GingerR. This is depressing. It's news from a planet few inhabit or wish to. The great, democratic thing that brings us all together - running as best we can - isn't served by encouraging 250 shoes. It'll make 200 seem reasonable, and it's not. The current trend isn't sustainable, or of use to most runners. Nor are the shoes. In the end, it's divisive. Not why most of us run. Excuse the solemnity.
I hate the price too & worry about the trend upward.
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