the biggest issue when it comes to the financial argument between boxing/mma is because they are both run differently. with boxing, fighters are completely independant, they control who they fight, agree to the venue, the cut between themselves etc, and are controlled by commisions that are way 2 laid back. with mma, its runned as a legit business, getting fighters 2 sign contracts 2 fight for them, and in these contracts they choose who they fight. Because of this the owners decide the amount
Guy in black suit knows what he's talking about. Smart guy. The other guy is trying to compare money when was about to go bankrupt two years before this broadcast (2005). Give it some time to grow dude. You say chuck got paid 250k in 2007, well gsp was paid 5 million $ in 2010. So at least give ufc a decade before you compare it a sport hundreds of years old.
A lot of people were noticing, it's just there was no organization that presented multi styles facing each other. UFC brought that to America and many other countries. It wasn't on tv, but still around.
I remember in the 80,s and the 90's when boxing was loaded with big names in almost every division and promoters would put on the fight the fans wanted to see. Most top ranked boxers these days have nothing on the greats of the past. I think UFC have done an amazing job in promoting the exiting sport of MMA.
I love how the guy got muted towards the end. Who ever posted this up must be a boxing fan. Boxing has been around for ever, of course boxers are going to be making a lot more money right now, and they're still big world wide, even though they're not doing as hot here in the US. MMA is doing great here, and are just starting to really branch out world wide. In time, in my opinion, MMA will catch up to boxing world wide.
Your right about one thing RainingGore, no one wants to see to guys lay on each other for 15 minutes, but at the same time no one wants to see two puffy gloved combatants pitter patter each other for 36 minutes either. It's up to the matchmakers to ensure that each sport has exciting match ups. Boxing has it's taps too, its called taking a knee and that's not very MANLY. a man on his knees in front of another man says alot more than "I quit".
Example. on separate occasions Bas Rutten and Alistair Overeem got into bar fights with huge bouncers at a club in Sweden. Both were vastly outnumbered and had no problem destroying the bouncers
"The point is though a boxer wouldn't make it through a ufc fight until a decision" They'd have something in common then with Chuck Liddell, Wanderlei Silva, Randy Couture, Kimbo Slice, etc., etc.
This was from 07,I would like these two to look back on their comments now.Today in boxing there are only a very small handfull of contenders and or champs making big money.The UFC....You get a contract,and you make at least 6 figures,you get insurance,and tons of bonuses/perks.I've always loved the sport of boxing,and had many former champs as idols.I hated UFC when it first came out,but since Dana took over,the sport is amazing,and continues to evolve.
That's definitely how I feel after I order boxing on PPV. I don't get that as much when I order UFC on PPV. At least they promote the fights fans want to see & can usually put together pretty good cards to support the fight in case the main events flops which happens frequently in all combative sports.
Funny at the beginning when they're talking about how proposterous FLoyd vs. Pac would be. Gotta remember at the time of this video, Floyd was getting ready to fight Oscar at 154 pounds, and Pac was still fighting at 130 pounds. Amazing how times have changed.
Boxing can never die, it can only fall in popularity. There is too much money already floating to keep the sport relivant for a long time but as the years pass I don't see it being as widely talked about as it once was. The biggest problem with boxing currently is the lack of exciting heavyweight fighters IMO. When all you can talk about is a few welterweights and a light weight it doesn't bold too well for a sport, especially because lower weight fighters have more trouble finishing fights.
"The roots of MMA can be traced back to the ancient Olympics where one of the earliest documented systems of codified full range unarmed combat was utilized in the sport of Pankration." Wiki~ I wasn't talking about the origin of pankration, I was referring to the origin of MMA. Everything else you said is dead on & it meant "all powers" also commonly known as "total combat."
guys, its not about what is the better sport, because there are many preferances on which sport is the best. its all about what you were raised into liking.Most fighters in the last few generations have been boxers, but in the next few genenrations, we'll see more mma than boxing. you cant completely take out boxing, but the next mike tyson-like character would be an mma fighter. who knows, maybe that fighter is already alive and training right now.
Mayweather/Hatton easily outsold every UFC event two years ago. It wasn't until this past summer at UFC100 that the buyrate looked anything like a boxing event. Rich Franklin was born 10 years too early. He was training BJJ before most people even heard about it in the US. The sport didn't exist when he was young so he got a masters in Math and taught. Hes not a thug. Its refreshing. Brett Rogers is fighting Fedor for his HW belt in a week. Rogers worked in a tire shop not long ago.
The primary reason boxers make more cash is because the sport has been established longer & all those PPV's, gate sales & sponsors they had for 25-50+ years put money into the sport. Future athletes of MMA will make a great living thanks to the pioneers of the sport. Boxer's skills are undeniable, as are MMA fighters. They are both masters of their crafts & shouldn't be expected to easily cross over to the other sport as both are drastically different.
The fans aren't comparing MONEY being made. When UFC fans are comparing, they are saying "its a better more effective combat sport". By comparison , a UFC fighter pound for pound makes the SAME a boxer does technically. Not in actual profit but you have to remember, UFC fighters only FIGHT 5 rounds. Boxers fight for 10(typically . Do the math WITH how long the sport has been around. He said 17 million dollars right? Ok 17 mil for 10 rounds. 17 mil divided by 10 = 1,700,000 x 5 = 8,500,000. So a boxer would get paid 8,500,000 for 5 rounds. Sure its a ton of more money, but UFC is as a sport is also very young compared to boxing. As its popularity grows, so will its purses for fighters.
Boyleroster oneroster Thats because the sport of it has only been around officially since 1993. Prizefighting boxing has been around over 150 years. Its also more established and not viewed as barbaric by hypocritical society. Remember society makes rules such as in war time : ok we are killing each other with guns and bombs and missles but NO shooting medics that pick wounded up. Ok you can fight for money, but wear these gloves. You see where im goin.
If its so non effective then why however do they even involve it in the "mixed" part of mma? i mean if its so seen as non barbaric why do they have Mike Tyson or Manny Pacquiao promoting MMA events? why not use a ufc fighter? Why use a boxer who is just nothing in comparison?
Comparing MMA to Boxing is like comparing, airsoft vs paintball, bruce lee vs jet li, jet li vs jackie chan, ps3 vs xbox, US military vs Russian Military, Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. its an infinite debate for all time win or loss, it'll never end!
The only criticism I heard all night was that the main event reminded people of a boxing match. When you put a good Wrestler vs another great wrestler with amazing BJJ the other fighter's best game plan is to box. Pacman vs Mosley might deliver but I bet the rest of the card blows like usual of boxing, but I'll still watch!
It doesn't matter if Ray was choked out by Slice, two different fights, two different fighters and two different outcomes. Kimbo is still a beast and he has my respect as fighter.
@onebadmoto Were your last 2 comments meant for me by any chance? Cause they appear to somewhat reliate to the few comments we just exchanged (like mentioning Giorgio and such).
I do agree they are unique contests, one shows true boxing skill while the other shows true fighting skill. Top boxer's only get paid more because it's an older sport that's had over a century to grow a fan base & revenue. However the fact they make less, makes them more motivated for those locker room & post fight bonus's. Many Olympians & champions of various combat sports compete in MMA. It's about wanting to be known as the best fighter in the world.
@Mthooz I agree fully, but we're not talking just one style against itself, we're talking multiple styles facing off. I don't agree that an MMA fighter would be dead with a martial artist, many factors can determine the outcome. And if you think boxing is "better" to watch, then you don't understand things like muay thai, judo, or grappling. People can watch a jiu jitsu match and say "yeah this is boring, boxing is much more exciting", but chances are, they know nothing about it to begin with.
Its not just the UFC anymore, Its MMA. Brands like Affliction, WEC and many more are becoming more popular. I think boxing today is as popular as MMA was in the early 90's, or at least its getting there
Russ Amber is the man he is the first person around the sport of boxing to not bash mma but to say that its a different and up n comming sport period I love how this man carries himself its about respect and he will never lose it. money aside even he said its because boxing has been around longer
The higher money is a direct relation to the popularity, Boxing being around forever has nothing to do with what boxers earn today. The fans of today are paying to watch, not the fans of yesterday.
boxing can be so much bigger, but the problem is, is that there are too many promoters. they only care about milking their fighters and with rivalries between promoters fans dont always get to see the fights we want. boxers need a union more than anything imo
they are very different but as a fighter myself I get sick of the shit we have to take because our sport is "mindless violence" cuz it really isn't. MMA fighters work just as hard boxers if not more considering the amount of facets in MMA so it be nice to get a lil respect. But i agree if a Boxer went toe to toe with an MMA fighter in boxing match then my money would be on the boxer. But that doesn't mean there are a few fighters who have some damn good boxing and would put on a good show.
FYI Jim Brown was announcing the very first UFC who's father was Swinton Brown (a professional boxer). Shaq is planing on starting an MMA career after he retires from basketball. I doubt he will be that good for a heavyweight but it just goes to show many people of all nationalities, and race are into MMA not just white people.
they might have been around for a long time but who was noticing I mean when Hoarse Gracie made UFC famous people started to notice MMA or martial arts cause it has more variety than boxing
Exactly but i know for a fact that if i was a Pro UFC fighter and i was surrounded by a bunch of thugs( 2 or more) looking for a street fight. I would only use my boxing skills in that situation, i wouldnt even use kicks because a lot can go wrong when kicking in a street fight. However in a one on one battle, i would use my entire arsenal of MMA to gain a Flawless Victory
it actually did. Mayweather vs marquez pulled in alot of seats in the MGM Grand. but paperviews Lidell vs Jackson owned and pwned that fight. both fights were 1-2 weeks apart.
I liked this video and their arguments, "That comparing Boxing & MMA is like comparing apples to orange." I will just say from my personal experience that me, my buddies, my family have watch a TON of boxing, SF, UFC, Pride fights and PPV's. Only 1 or two 2 times have we/they complained that a fight card sucked and was a waste of money or time, boxing on the other hand gets nearly constant complaints except for the odd exceptional match.
Andre Ward, Chad Dawson, Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto, Timothy Bradley, wladimir klitschko. Vitaly klitschko, David Haye, Danny Green are just a few boxers that make over 500,000 guaranteed per fight. Thats before PPV revenue.
@KmanMonkeyPig long term, I agree that monopolies aren't conducive to good health but right now, I think the old saying "strike while the iron is hot" applies. Boxing is losing ground and MMA could really establish itself and perhaps overtake boxing if the best were pitted against the best. But, as long as fighters like Fedor are kept out in the cold; MMA will suffer as a business. I appreciate your position on the subject and I agree that the future is theirs to take if they play the hand well.
I'm not talking about "boxers" or "guys who are good at boxing" or "washed up boxers", I'm talking about a contender-quality pro. Those guys would handle anyone in boxing, just like they would (and do) get handled on the mat, etc.
Everyone gets taken down in any grappling sport. There are athletes in all combative sports that are posers, you have to be a true dedicated athlete with some natural skill & proper knowledge to excel in all sports. Its what a guy does when he takes you down that determines if he wins the round. Don't let him pass your guard & work sweeps. Ultimately the best way to counter wrestling is wrestling till it goes to the ground.
I'm sure there are several polls that once had Ken Shamrock as the 2nd greatest fighter in the MMA. Should we dig those up and use those for future reference? Of course not. No one says Boxing encompasses all of fighting. "i guess the special forces should just box, but what do they know, they do mma these days." They could be just as effective training in ballet as they use weapons in combat. Remember those?
I agree with these guys! Although im a mma guy there's no reason to compare two different sports from each other! there both awesome sports and each sport has something the other sport doesnt have! I watch mainly MMA but occassionaly watch boxing! And i often find boxing more entertaining than the UFC because there is no grappling in boxing and just punching! Sometimes mma gets boring when the fight is always on the ground and thats why i love to watch boxing at time!And i respect boxers!
They do have multiple shows, and once it is recognized as a sport and drops the label of barbaric it is going to soar. And Lidell may have lost 3 of his last 5, but Manny was never tough enough to step into the cage in the first place.
Boxing, the art, is apart of mixed martial arts. Now if we were to look at boxing versus mma on a ppv success basis, all I know is the UFC puts on a hell of a lot of PPV's compared to boxing.
ufc fighters dont make no where near enough but alot of people say that ufc fighters are fighters that cant make it in proffession boxing where the big bucks are
I think MMA is a much tougher sport, More entertaining sport, More Skilled sport. Boxer wouldn't last a few minutes in the cage with an MMA fighter, wheras an MMA fighter could maybe go a few rounds with a boxer. But despite all this...the buzz i get from a BIG boxing PPV, the anticipation, the excitement surrounding it, i dont think MMA could ever top that.
Maybe entry level fighters, but champions can potentially make millions in UFC. GSP reported to the Agence France-Presse: "For me, a fight is (worth) $4 to $5 million, and in the city where the UFC holds its events, there are economic benefits of between $15 to $20 million." I've heard Top Rank paying people as low as $600 bucks to fight on their cards, besides people mostly bank on their sponsors. I don't think MMA could have come as far as it has without a powerhouse promotional company.
The only thing we should be comparing is the relative safety. and the MMA is much more safer as the punches to the head are less frequent and dense. in thirty years time it will be obvious which sport is more popular as the pool for mma fighters involves every type of martial art including boxing
the guy 2 the left had a good point towards the end of the video, boxing has been around since 1890, the first ufc/mma event in america was in 1993, this means there is ova a 100 year time difference. If mma was around the same time, I bet money in mma could be even better than that of a floyd mayweather or a 'pac-man'.
Ray Mercer was defeated by Kimbo by submission because he's still learning and it's obvious if he's new to the sport he hasn't experienced submission in a real bout. I doesn't matter to me if boxers turn MMA because I love boxers and boxing for what it is and nothing more. Ppl hate and don't understand that Kimbo and Ray are both real dudes and they bust down the door of their sport on toughness and natural skill. Race is also an issue!!! You're fair...because you're a boxer!!!
@mrKANYEwes I think the sport will continue to grow. My uncle grew up Boxing and doing Judo. He never really got great at boxing but simply loved it and had a mediocre pro record of like 11-14. He was amazing with Judo. He still competes in events at 46 yrs old. He can only dream that there was an avenue like MMA when he was a kid. Now these days, you have teenagers wrestling in high school and training striking and BJJ at gyms. The talent is going to get better.
Of course it does, it means more time to collect a fan base & attract more sponsors. On top of being fully established while UFC is still paying out of pocket to get legalized in places like New York. Growing a sport along with a brand costs tons of money. The fans of yesterday don't know how to stream like the fans of today!
Whats an infighter and an outfighter? Is it someone who punches within the punching range, and someone who stays on the outside and moves a lot? I've never heard those terms before.
@KmanMonkeyPig one other thing about the future of MMA revenues. Consumers consume things that they can comprehend. You spoke of gambling revenue (huge driver of boxing revenue)and, that's a good point. Do you trust the marketplace enough to believe that it will gain sufficient comprehension of MMA (a more complex sport than boxing) to allow for those revenues to increase to boxing's level? I'm not so sure it will but that is a huge key to the future of the sport's draw.
@onebadmoto I fail to see how boxers can't compete in street fights if street fights are not competitions to begin with. And as far as I've seen boxers fair pretty well when the fists start flying in a random fight. Just kicking? I fail to see that since if im correct punches are what are used to nullify kicks. Although I would agree that in general k-1 fairs those who can knee a puncher if he gets close.
@TriMOTinHD Actually his record is 1-1, his only loss was back in 1998 (13 years ago) his first professional fight was in boxing after which he turned to fighting. Anderson also lost his first MMA match via decision which happen two years after he lost his first boxing match. Silva didn't do another boxing match until 2005, winning the bout via KO in the 2nd round. You could say Anderson is one of the only pro boxers turned pro fighter to ever succeed in MMA.
i love both sports, i used to do boxing now do MMA. they are both awesome, the only thing that can seperate their greatness in my opinion is boxing has been around forever, through all different fighting styles and every pro is a skillful fighter. There are quite a few pro MMA fighters that are just street brawlers and have no real skill. MMA is awesome but boxing is and always will be an art, not just a sport
come on guys, these are two great sports but we are comparing two very different sports. i think there is room for both. As long as someone is getting their ass kicked for my viewing pleasure, its all good. i hope mma & boxing keep growing!
@Leonidas8879 We agree. I didn't phrase my post well. My point was that an elite boxer would pick an MMA fighter apart in a boxing-only contest. I mean destroy. You can be a great striker but that means ZERO in boxing, just like being a great boxer means ZERO in mixed fighting. My point was that it might be interesting for MMA to consider a new match format that would allow for different styles per round, and shorten the rounds. Just an idea.
@onebadmoto Dont know much about him, but I maybe would have said a prime Raymond Dekkers or Alexey Ignashov. But I notice that all of these have around a 50% KO record. Now Badr Hari or Peter Aerts I think would have a better chance of gaining a knockout. As for the guy you mentioned I haven't seen his fights, but I see he is around 150lb. So I would say peope around the range of Mayweather (or a bit above) would be the ones to fight him. Although is that how he weighs fight night?
By that sense every martial art's is a culture & way of life. Boxing has a deeper history & more fans who have lived threw it. However, no fight league in the world puts on as many successful annual PPV's as UFC.
You know Juijitsu was invented in the times of Samurais for battles that were too close for a sword (try punching thru amour) it will beat the hell out of boxing nowadays if soldiers were to run out of bullets. You can choke or break a limb to finnish the opponent if punches or kicks don't do the job, more effective than just boxing in a war combat.
Obviously for his SIZE. He is obviously not as fast as a fucking squirrel, but he is easily as fast as a middleweight, only being 280 pounds. And that is spectacular. And yeah, they do take ridiculously long runs, because they prepare for very long fights, with a low level of intensity. MMA fighters train for short fights with a high level of intesity, therefore they train more interval training, as opposed to long runs. They are more explosive, its like marathon runners vs 800 meter runners.
boxing needs ALOT more than just mega fights....What it needs even more is the winner of those mega fights to clear out their own respective divisions, which isn't really done these days, because they like to mix and match fighters from different weight classes......there are at least a half of dozen great fights for Floyd in the welterweight division alone.....and the same goes for Pacman at lightweight
@snozrick point is, mma takes more technique and resembles fighting more than boxing cuz if you fight someone on the streets, you can't make a deal saying you'll just use your hands
Are you talking about RING magazine which specifically caters to only boxers? Here is a real list of fighter of the year: 2004 - Wanderlei Silva 2005 - Takanori Gomi and Maurício Rua (co-winners) 2006 - Chuck Liddell 2007 - Quinton Jackson 2008 - Rashad Evans 2009 - José Aldo 2010 - Cain Velasquez 2011 - Jon Jones
A typical example would be UFC 4 Steve Jennum (Ninjitsu) vs Melton Bowen (Boxing), you can watch here on UA-cam. Bowen throws punch, Jennum ducks and takes down Bowen. He rains down punches and eventually gets him in an armbar. So there it has happened and I have talked of it. Really I don't care because I like boxing and mma, I am just happy there is another fighting sport other than boxing. There are many uninspiring boxing matches, and the same with mma but I like mma better overall.
mma is not gonna take away from boxing. if anything, each cultivate the other. mma is great to watch, so is boxing. that's like saying k-1 kickboxing takes away from boxing, because it has more to it (kicks, knees etc..). it's a totally different sport, yes it's a fight and combat sport. but they're just different disciplines, and you can't compare them. it's one's opinion on which is more fun to watch. i personally like watching all of them. i've been to mma events as well as k-1 events.
Ray Mercer got choked out by Kimbo Slice in under a minute. There doesn't exist an mma fighter with worse submission skills than Kimbo Slice and he took out this same Ray mercer. Fighting is fighting, anything can happen at anytime but in no holds barred matches boxers would consistently be at a disadvantage.
30+ events annually is alot for a dead company to juggle, I am sure they are doing their doing okay. Boxing has had hundreds of events get canceled & some UFC fighters are willing to fight on 1 days notice. Machida just fought less than a month ago, perhaps he wanted some time off before his title shot to properly train. I would rather spend money on MMA than boxing any day, at least I get more than one fight.
the biggest issue when it comes to the financial argument between boxing/mma is because they are both run differently. with boxing, fighters are completely independant, they control who they fight, agree to the venue, the cut between themselves etc, and are controlled by commisions that are way 2 laid back. with mma, its runned as a legit business, getting fighters 2 sign contracts 2 fight for them, and in these contracts they choose who they fight. Because of this the owners decide the amount
"Lights Out " James Toney Vs. Randy Coture. End of story.
Guy in black suit knows what he's talking about. Smart guy. The other guy is trying to compare money when was about to go bankrupt two years before this broadcast (2005). Give it some time to grow dude. You say chuck got paid 250k in 2007, well gsp was paid 5 million $ in 2010. So at least give ufc a decade before you compare it a sport hundreds of years old.
8 years later and UFC is on top and boxing has to resort to UA-cam dorks haha
A lot of people were noticing, it's just there was no organization that presented multi styles facing each other. UFC brought that to America and many other countries. It wasn't on tv, but still around.
"90% of street fights end up on the ground at some point"
This is patently untrue.
I remember in the 80,s and the 90's when boxing was loaded with big names in almost every division and promoters would put on the fight the fans wanted to see. Most top ranked boxers these days have nothing on the greats of the past. I think UFC have done an amazing job in promoting the exiting sport of MMA.
I love how the guy got muted towards the end. Who ever posted this up must be a boxing fan.
Boxing has been around for ever, of course boxers are going to be making a lot more money right now, and they're still big world wide, even though they're not doing as hot here in the US.
MMA is doing great here, and are just starting to really branch out world wide. In time, in my opinion, MMA will catch up to boxing world wide.
Your right about one thing RainingGore, no one wants to see to guys lay on each other for 15 minutes, but at the same time no one wants to see two puffy gloved combatants pitter patter each other for 36 minutes either. It's up to the matchmakers to ensure that each sport has exciting match ups. Boxing has it's taps too, its called taking a knee and that's not very MANLY. a man on his knees in front of another man says alot more than "I quit".
Example. on separate occasions Bas Rutten and Alistair Overeem got into bar fights with huge bouncers at a club in Sweden. Both were vastly outnumbered and had no problem destroying the bouncers
"The point is though a boxer wouldn't make it through a ufc fight until a decision"
They'd have something in common then with Chuck Liddell, Wanderlei Silva, Randy Couture, Kimbo Slice, etc., etc.
This was from 07,I would like these two to look back on their comments now.Today in boxing there are only a very small handfull of contenders and or champs making big money.The UFC....You get a contract,and you make at least 6 figures,you get insurance,and tons of bonuses/perks.I've always loved the sport of boxing,and had many former champs as idols.I hated UFC when it first came out,but since Dana took over,the sport is amazing,and continues to evolve.
A mixture of krav maga & kenpo can be just as devastating for a street arsenal. Can't see, can't breath, can't fight.
he just really enjoys arguing, its like talking to a brick wall
That's definitely how I feel after I order boxing on PPV. I don't get that as much when I order UFC on PPV. At least they promote the fights fans want to see & can usually put together pretty good cards to support the fight in case the main events flops which happens frequently in all combative sports.
Funny at the beginning when they're talking about how proposterous FLoyd vs. Pac would be. Gotta remember at the time of this video, Floyd was getting ready to fight Oscar at 154 pounds, and Pac was still fighting at 130 pounds. Amazing how times have changed.
Boxing can never die, it can only fall in popularity. There is too much money already floating to keep the sport relivant for a long time but as the years pass I don't see it being as widely talked about as it once was. The biggest problem with boxing currently is the lack of exciting heavyweight fighters IMO. When all you can talk about is a few welterweights and a light weight it doesn't bold too well for a sport, especially because lower weight fighters have more trouble finishing fights.
"The roots of MMA can be traced back to the ancient Olympics where one of the earliest documented systems of codified full range unarmed combat was utilized in the sport of Pankration." Wiki~
I wasn't talking about the origin of pankration, I was referring to the origin of MMA. Everything else you said is dead on & it meant "all powers" also commonly known as "total combat."
guys, its not about what is the better sport, because there are many preferances on which sport is the best. its all about what you were raised into liking.Most fighters in the last few generations have been boxers, but in the next few genenrations, we'll see more mma than boxing. you cant completely take out boxing, but the next mike tyson-like character would be an mma fighter. who knows, maybe that fighter is already alive and training right now.
Mayweather/Hatton easily outsold every UFC event two years ago. It wasn't until this past summer at UFC100 that the buyrate looked anything like a boxing event.
Rich Franklin was born 10 years too early. He was training BJJ before most people even heard about it in the US. The sport didn't exist when he was young so he got a masters in Math and taught. Hes not a thug. Its refreshing.
Brett Rogers is fighting Fedor for his HW belt in a week. Rogers worked in a tire shop not long ago.
The primary reason boxers make more cash is because the sport has been established longer & all those PPV's, gate sales & sponsors they had for 25-50+ years put money into the sport. Future athletes of MMA will make a great living thanks to the pioneers of the sport. Boxer's skills are undeniable, as are MMA fighters. They are both masters of their crafts & shouldn't be expected to easily cross over to the other sport as both are drastically different.
The fans aren't comparing MONEY being made. When UFC fans are comparing, they are saying "its a better more effective combat sport". By comparison , a UFC fighter pound for pound makes the SAME a boxer does technically. Not in actual profit but you have to remember, UFC fighters only FIGHT 5 rounds. Boxers fight for 10(typically . Do the math WITH how long the sport has been around.
He said 17 million dollars right? Ok 17 mil for 10 rounds. 17 mil divided by 10 = 1,700,000 x 5 = 8,500,000. So a boxer would get paid 8,500,000 for 5 rounds. Sure its a ton of more money, but UFC is as a sport is also very young compared to boxing. As its popularity grows, so will its purses for fighters.
Ufc hasnt been growing at all its been on the decline the last few years. mayweather Canelo made mayweather 200 million. ufc is the amateur of the two
Boyleroster oneroster Thats because the sport of it has only been around officially since 1993. Prizefighting boxing has been around over 150 years. Its also more established and not viewed as barbaric by hypocritical society. Remember society makes rules such as in war time : ok we are killing each other with guns and bombs and missles but NO shooting medics that pick wounded up.
Ok you can fight for money, but wear these gloves. You see where im goin.
If its so non effective then why however do they even involve it in the "mixed" part of mma? i mean if its so seen as non barbaric why do they have Mike Tyson or Manny Pacquiao promoting MMA events? why not use a ufc fighter? Why use a boxer who is just nothing in comparison?
Comparing MMA to Boxing is like comparing, airsoft vs paintball, bruce lee vs jet li, jet li vs jackie chan, ps3 vs xbox, US military vs Russian Military, Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. its an infinite debate for all time win or loss, it'll never end!
The only criticism I heard all night was that the main event reminded people of a boxing match. When you put a good Wrestler vs another great wrestler with amazing BJJ the other fighter's best game plan is to box. Pacman vs Mosley might deliver but I bet the rest of the card blows like usual of boxing, but I'll still watch!
It doesn't matter if Ray was choked out by Slice, two different fights, two different fighters and two different outcomes. Kimbo is still a beast and he has my respect as fighter.
"a financial comparison is silly" the only thing said that made any sense
@onebadmoto
Were your last 2 comments meant for me by any chance? Cause they appear to somewhat reliate to the few comments we just exchanged (like mentioning Giorgio and such).
must* have exceptional striking... I was half awake when I wrote that.
I do agree they are unique contests, one shows true boxing skill while the other shows true fighting skill. Top boxer's only get paid more because it's an older sport that's had over a century to grow a fan base & revenue. However the fact they make less, makes them more motivated for those locker room & post fight bonus's. Many Olympians & champions of various combat sports compete in MMA. It's about wanting to be known as the best fighter in the world.
The host was in the middle of making perfect sense when the sound cut off.
@Mthooz I agree fully, but we're not talking just one style against itself, we're talking multiple styles facing off. I don't agree that an MMA fighter would be dead with a martial artist, many factors can determine the outcome. And if you think boxing is "better" to watch, then you don't understand things like muay thai, judo, or grappling. People can watch a jiu jitsu match and say "yeah this is boring, boxing is much more exciting", but chances are, they know nothing about it to begin with.
Its not just the UFC anymore, Its MMA. Brands like Affliction, WEC and many more are becoming more popular. I think boxing today is as popular as MMA was in the early 90's, or at least its getting there
Comparing MMA to boxing is the exact same as comparing basketball to dribbling.
Russ Amber is the man he is the first person around the sport of boxing to not bash mma but to say that its a different and up n comming sport period I love how this man carries himself its about respect and he will never lose it. money aside even he said its because boxing has been around longer
The higher money is a direct relation to the popularity, Boxing being around forever has nothing to do with what boxers earn today. The fans of today are paying to watch, not the fans of yesterday.
Completely agree with you on this one. I am seriously sick of always coming across these stupid debates of who is better or whatever.
lol he looked like doctor phil from a distance
"put a boxer vs mma guy on the street with no rules"
Because this happens so often? We might as well put them on the moon with lightsabers.
boxing can be so much bigger, but the problem is, is that there are too many promoters. they only care about milking their fighters and with rivalries between promoters fans dont always get to see the fights we want. boxers need a union more than anything imo
they are very different but as a fighter myself I get sick of the shit we have to take because our sport is "mindless violence" cuz it really isn't. MMA fighters work just as hard boxers if not more considering the amount of facets in MMA so it be nice to get a lil respect. But i agree if a Boxer went toe to toe with an MMA fighter in boxing match then my money would be on the boxer. But that doesn't mean there are a few fighters who have some damn good boxing and would put on a good show.
FYI Jim Brown was announcing the very first UFC who's father was Swinton Brown (a professional boxer). Shaq is planing on starting an MMA career after he retires from basketball. I doubt he will be that good for a heavyweight but it just goes to show many people of all nationalities, and race are into MMA not just white people.
they might have been around for a long time but who was noticing I mean when Hoarse Gracie made UFC famous people started to notice MMA or martial arts cause it has more variety than boxing
"THE RINGSIDE SEATS ARE GOING TO SELL FOR $5,000!!!" What a tool, the cageside seats for UFC 100 sold for $25,000 and up
Exactly but i know for a fact that if i was a Pro UFC fighter and i was surrounded by a bunch of thugs( 2 or more) looking for a street fight. I would only use my boxing skills in that situation, i wouldnt even use kicks because a lot can go wrong when kicking in a street fight.
However in a one on one battle, i would use my entire arsenal of MMA to gain a Flawless Victory
@easyempire sorry i thought that the greater fighters were determined by skill level and experience not by the amount they earn.
it actually did. Mayweather vs marquez pulled in alot of seats in the MGM Grand.
but paperviews Lidell vs Jackson owned and pwned that fight. both fights were 1-2 weeks apart.
I liked this video and their arguments, "That comparing Boxing & MMA is like comparing apples to orange." I will just say from my personal experience that me, my buddies, my family have watch a TON of boxing, SF, UFC, Pride fights and PPV's. Only 1 or two 2 times have we/they complained that a fight card sucked and was a waste of money or time, boxing on the other hand gets nearly constant complaints except for the odd exceptional match.
Boxing is like checkers, MMA is like chess
Andre Ward, Chad Dawson, Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto, Timothy Bradley, wladimir klitschko. Vitaly klitschko, David Haye, Danny Green are just a few boxers that make over 500,000 guaranteed per fight. Thats before PPV revenue.
@KmanMonkeyPig long term, I agree that monopolies aren't conducive to good health but right now, I think the old saying "strike while the iron is hot" applies. Boxing is losing ground and MMA could really establish itself and perhaps overtake boxing if the best were pitted against the best. But, as long as fighters like Fedor are kept out in the cold; MMA will suffer as a business. I appreciate your position on the subject and I agree that the future is theirs to take if they play the hand well.
I'm not talking about "boxers" or "guys who are good at boxing" or "washed up boxers", I'm talking about a contender-quality pro. Those guys would handle anyone in boxing, just like they would (and do) get handled on the mat, etc.
Everyone gets taken down in any grappling sport. There are athletes in all combative sports that are posers, you have to be a true dedicated athlete with some natural skill & proper knowledge to excel in all sports. Its what a guy does when he takes you down that determines if he wins the round. Don't let him pass your guard & work sweeps. Ultimately the best way to counter wrestling is wrestling till it goes to the ground.
I'm sure there are several polls that once had Ken Shamrock as the 2nd greatest fighter in the MMA. Should we dig those up and use those for future reference? Of course not.
No one says Boxing encompasses all of fighting.
"i guess the special forces should just box, but what do they know, they do mma these days."
They could be just as effective training in ballet as they use weapons in combat. Remember those?
I agree with these guys! Although
im a mma guy there's no reason
to compare two different sports
from each other! there both
awesome sports and each sport
has something the other sport doesnt
have! I watch mainly MMA but occassionaly watch boxing! And i often
find boxing more entertaining than the UFC because there is no grappling in boxing and just punching! Sometimes mma gets boring when the fight is always on the ground and thats why i love to watch boxing at time!And i respect boxers!
3 fights that boxing needs
Pac man vs Mayweather
Marquez vs Cotto
Pavlik vs Chad dawson
They do have multiple shows, and once it is recognized as a sport and drops the label of barbaric it is going to soar. And Lidell may have lost 3 of his last 5, but Manny was never tough enough to step into the cage in the first place.
Boxing, the art, is apart of mixed martial arts. Now if we were to look at boxing versus mma on a ppv success basis, all I know is the UFC puts on a hell of a lot of PPV's compared to boxing.
Top Rank has to report its salaries to the NSAC. According to them the lowest payout on the Marquez vs Pacquiao card was around 22,000
No one fighting organization does more annual PPV buys than UFC.
ufc fighters dont make no where near enough but alot of people say that ufc fighters are fighters that cant make it in proffession boxing where the big bucks are
I think MMA is a much tougher sport, More entertaining sport, More Skilled sport. Boxer wouldn't last a few minutes in the cage with an MMA fighter, wheras an MMA fighter could maybe go a few rounds with a boxer. But despite all this...the buzz i get from a BIG boxing PPV, the anticipation, the excitement surrounding it, i dont think MMA could ever top that.
Maybe entry level fighters, but champions can potentially make millions in UFC. GSP reported to the Agence France-Presse:
"For me, a fight is (worth) $4 to $5 million, and in the city where the UFC holds its events, there are economic benefits of between $15 to $20 million."
I've heard Top Rank paying people as low as $600 bucks to fight on their cards, besides people mostly bank on their sponsors. I don't think MMA could have come as far as it has without a powerhouse promotional company.
The only thing we should be comparing is the relative safety. and the MMA is much more safer as the punches to the head are less frequent and dense. in thirty years time it will be obvious which sport is more popular as the pool for mma fighters involves every type of martial art including boxing
Wow... they've already projected a fight between pacquiao and mayweather even before pac got big... now the magnitude of that fight is gonna be huge!
the guy 2 the left had a good point towards the end of the video, boxing has been around since 1890, the first ufc/mma event in america was in 1993, this means there is ova a 100 year time difference. If mma was around the same time, I bet money in mma could be even better than that of a floyd mayweather or a 'pac-man'.
Ray Mercer was defeated by Kimbo by submission because he's still learning and it's obvious if he's new to the sport he hasn't experienced submission in a real bout. I doesn't matter to me if boxers turn MMA because I love boxers and boxing for what it is and nothing more. Ppl hate and don't understand that Kimbo and Ray are both real dudes and they bust down the door of their sport on toughness and natural skill. Race is also an issue!!! You're fair...because you're a boxer!!!
Good thing MMA has up-and-comers like Brock Lesner and Kimbo Slice to keep it relevant.
@mrKANYEwes I think the sport will continue to grow. My uncle grew up Boxing and doing Judo. He never really got great at boxing but simply loved it and had a mediocre pro record of like 11-14. He was amazing with Judo. He still competes in events at 46 yrs old. He can only dream that there was an avenue like MMA when he was a kid. Now these days, you have teenagers wrestling in high school and training striking and BJJ at gyms. The talent is going to get better.
Of course it does, it means more time to collect a fan base & attract more sponsors. On top of being fully established while UFC is still paying out of pocket to get legalized in places like New York. Growing a sport along with a brand costs tons of money. The fans of yesterday don't know how to stream like the fans of today!
Whats an infighter and an outfighter? Is it someone who punches within the punching range, and someone who stays on the outside and moves a lot? I've never heard those terms before.
Define a ton.
"How many marines have found that their skills in unarmed combat transitioned into boxing?"
A gazillion!?
benard hopkins started boxing at the age of 23 and he learnt in prison...
@KmanMonkeyPig one other thing about the future of MMA revenues. Consumers consume things that they can comprehend. You spoke of gambling revenue (huge driver of boxing revenue)and, that's a good point. Do you trust the marketplace enough to believe that it will gain sufficient comprehension of MMA (a more complex sport than boxing) to allow for those revenues to increase to boxing's level? I'm not so sure it will but that is a huge key to the future of the sport's draw.
@onebadmoto
I fail to see how boxers can't compete in street fights if street fights are not competitions to begin with. And as far as I've seen boxers fair pretty well when the fists start flying in a random fight.
Just kicking? I fail to see that since if im correct punches are what are used to nullify kicks. Although I would agree that in general k-1 fairs those who can knee a puncher if he gets close.
@TriMOTinHD Actually his record is 1-1, his only loss was back in 1998 (13 years ago) his first professional fight was in boxing after which he turned to fighting. Anderson also lost his first MMA match via decision which happen two years after he lost his first boxing match. Silva didn't do another boxing match until 2005, winning the bout via KO in the 2nd round. You could say Anderson is one of the only pro boxers turned pro fighter to ever succeed in MMA.
UFC is a whole new sport with a new breed of atheletes
i love both sports, i used to do boxing now do MMA. they are both awesome, the only thing that can seperate their greatness in my opinion is boxing has been around forever, through all different fighting styles and every pro is a skillful fighter. There are quite a few pro MMA fighters that are just street brawlers and have no real skill. MMA is awesome but boxing is and always will be an art, not just a sport
come on guys, these are two great sports but we are comparing two very different sports. i think there is room for both. As long as someone is getting their ass kicked for my viewing pleasure, its all good. i hope mma & boxing keep growing!
Its funny how fans think mix martial art is the ultimate fighting and dont see it as a sport at all
@Leonidas8879
We agree. I didn't phrase my post well. My point was that an elite boxer would pick an MMA fighter apart in a boxing-only contest. I mean destroy. You can be a great striker but that means ZERO in boxing, just like being a great boxer means ZERO in mixed fighting. My point was that it might be interesting for MMA to consider a new match format that would allow for different styles per round, and shorten the rounds. Just an idea.
@onebadmoto
Dont know much about him, but I maybe would have said a prime Raymond Dekkers or Alexey Ignashov. But I notice that all of these have around a 50% KO record. Now Badr Hari or Peter Aerts I think would have a better chance of gaining a knockout.
As for the guy you mentioned I haven't seen his fights, but I see he is around 150lb. So I would say peope around the range of Mayweather (or a bit above) would be the ones to fight him. Although is that how he weighs fight night?
By that sense every martial art's is a culture & way of life. Boxing has a deeper history & more fans who have lived threw it. However, no fight league in the world puts on as many successful annual PPV's as UFC.
You know Juijitsu was invented in the times of Samurais for battles that were too close for a sword (try punching thru amour) it will beat the hell out of boxing nowadays if soldiers were to run out of bullets. You can choke or break a limb to finnish the opponent if punches or kicks don't do the job, more effective than just boxing in a war combat.
It is safer, but there's more of a variety of injuries that can happen. In MMA your whole body has to be tough, not just the chin and abs.
I think most would agree they rather be punched in the face then having an eye gouged or knee snapped.
Obviously for his SIZE. He is obviously not as fast as a fucking squirrel, but he is easily as fast as a middleweight, only being 280 pounds. And that is spectacular. And yeah, they do take ridiculously long runs, because they prepare for very long fights, with a low level of intensity. MMA fighters train for short fights with a high level of intesity, therefore they train more interval training, as opposed to long runs. They are more explosive, its like marathon runners vs 800 meter runners.
boxing needs ALOT more than just mega fights....What it needs even more is the winner of those mega fights to clear out their own respective divisions, which isn't really done these days, because they like to mix and match fighters from different weight classes......there are at least a half of dozen great fights for Floyd in the welterweight division alone.....and the same goes for Pacman at lightweight
@snozrick point is, mma takes more technique and resembles fighting more than boxing cuz if you fight someone on the streets, you can't make a deal saying you'll just use your hands
UFC 100 did 1.7 MILLION buys and ringside seats were up to $100,000!!!
Are you talking about RING magazine which specifically caters to only boxers? Here is a real list of fighter of the year:
2004 - Wanderlei Silva
2005 - Takanori Gomi and Maurício Rua (co-winners)
2006 - Chuck Liddell
2007 - Quinton Jackson
2008 - Rashad Evans
2009 - José Aldo
2010 - Cain Velasquez
2011 - Jon Jones
@Immortalsyn83 so when tyson was 37 and 0 he was fighting chumps?
Martials Arts go back hundreds of years.
"Zinisian" sounds pretty true mang.
an mma fighter has to grab hold of the boxer without getting knocked out in the process of doing so
A typical example would be UFC 4 Steve Jennum (Ninjitsu) vs Melton Bowen (Boxing), you can watch here on UA-cam. Bowen throws punch, Jennum ducks and takes down Bowen. He rains down punches and eventually gets him in an armbar. So there it has happened and I have talked of it. Really I don't care because I like boxing and mma, I am just happy there is another fighting sport other than boxing. There are many uninspiring boxing matches, and the same with mma but I like mma better overall.
mma is not gonna take away from boxing. if anything, each cultivate the other. mma is great to watch, so is boxing.
that's like saying k-1 kickboxing takes away from boxing, because it has more to it (kicks, knees etc..). it's a totally different sport, yes it's a fight and combat sport. but they're just different disciplines, and you can't compare them. it's one's opinion on which is more fun to watch. i personally like watching all of them. i've been to mma events as well as k-1 events.
a true MMA fighter has good stand up striking as part of his arsenal. Your argument would only apply to a certain percentage of MMA fighters
lol "are you agreeing with me? No."
Yes, because there are so many BJJ fights going on in the streets of Iraq and mountains of Afghanistan.
Ray Mercer got choked out by Kimbo Slice in under a minute. There doesn't exist an mma fighter with worse submission skills than Kimbo Slice and he took out this same Ray mercer. Fighting is fighting, anything can happen at anytime but in no holds barred matches boxers would consistently be at a disadvantage.
30+ events annually is alot for a dead company to juggle, I am sure they are doing their doing okay. Boxing has had hundreds of events get canceled & some UFC fighters are willing to fight on 1 days notice. Machida just fought less than a month ago, perhaps he wanted some time off before his title shot to properly train. I would rather spend money on MMA than boxing any day, at least I get more than one fight.