entirely correct ranking of romance tropes
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i worry that i titled our tiers confusingly... it's just a normal tier list!! whether or not we agreed with each other was only relevant when it came to "in dispute." otherwise, we both agreed or disagreed WITH THE TROPES!! it made sense in my head...
anyway, here's where to rank them yourselves: tiermaker.com/create/romance-tropes-124670
also, i meant to clarify that my sickness is NOT COVID!! just your average cold
"if you're advertising your story because they have a height difference your story is probably lacking something" so true
*cough* Tall Girl *cough*
@@itspienoon7883 yttyyzzutty
@@petrawhite2634 I concur
It'd be fun to see how many romance tropes you can have in a story before it gets too silly and convoluted. For example, a love triangle where character A & character B are friends-to-lovers but character A & character C are enemies-to-lovers. Maybe also A & C is also a celebrity/billionaire trope where they fake date, have banter with nicknames, have an almost-kiss, and everyone can see how in love they really are. Meanwhile, A & B are partners-in-crime, are opposites, have unrequited love, have miscommunication, and kiss in the rain.
Chaos. I love it.
Someone write this right now!
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Ok ok, but which ones are sharing a bed?
[my vote's B & C, both of them hating it]
This sounds like a kdrama
For me, I think there's a world of difference between 'rivals to lovers' and 'enemies to lovers'? I feel they're used interchangeably/to reference each other BUT they describe two different types of conflicts in intensity, justification of dislike and general stakes.
So I love a school rivals romance but an enemy is not someone I can feel myself becoming warmed up to as a friend, much less a romantic partner because most books don't have enough time or pages to do the work needed to make it good.
See I agree on the difference between 'rivals' & 'enemies' for the exact opposite reason, the narrative stakes of an 'enemies-to-lovers' romance is so much higher and more satisfying to me than a would-be pairing who are rivals and could work out their differences if only they'd have a mature conversation
@@cam4636 Fair, but yeah - these are definitely two different but similar romance tropes
babe wake up, julia posted an unscripted ranking video
And when the world needed her most, she returned
I find in Supernatural age gap stories there is less of a difference in maturity levels because you tend to get "This person has been 18 for 100 years" not he's literally 100 years old but if you have a 20 year old with a 40 year old then you get a maturity gap and I don't love that. I am not interested in romances where one person takes on a life coach or parentlike role and that's very common in age gap stories. I am not here for stories where someone "grows up" by dating someone old enough to be their parent. Yerk.
I def agree that there's a difference between human-age gap and supernatural-age gap, although personally I don't like either one as a romantic trope. If you're a 100+ year old vampire, I expect you to act like a creature of the night who has seen human generations pass by and wither away, you know? (That, and who in their right mind would want to go to high school for a hundred years...)
@@cam4636 the only person who'd want to go to highschool for a 100 yrs is a str8 up predator lmao
Miscommunication is definitely overhated because of bad miscommunication plots, people hate when it's used as an easy cop-out way to generate conflict without any depth but it CAN be done very well too. Well-written miscommunication does more than just make the reader frustrated
A related trope to teacher-student that doesn’t ick me out is when it’s more like a mentor, hobby instructor, head of a team, etc. and is within a reasonable age range from the partner (ex. the highschool senior takes the shy sophomore under their wing to teach them to win at sportsball before the BIG GAME? Sure! Or a grown adult takes a French cooking class from a stern older chef? Yummy!) Like, there’s still a bit of power dynamic and opportunities for sexy tension (yoga instructor correcting form; one on one practice to get ready for the Big Competition; etc) but it doesn’t feel predatory? And you can still even have some of the tropes like pushing the papers off the desk. Just make it like menus for the big cooking competition or art studio things or whatever.
You know, the tier as Strongly Agree--Strongly Disagree and being ranked by how much they're likely to appeal to the potential customer is so much better than the "this is perfect--this is garbage" tiers. Like I appreciate the "this is definitely someone's thing but it's not MY thing" framing.
I think the thing about miscommunications is that they often feel contrived. Like, I love a GOOD miscommunication, but so often they just feel like they come out of no where for no reason just so things aren't all sunshine and roses and it's like, I'm fine with this narrative not being 100% happy 100% of the time, but could you make it make sense please?
And there's plenty of good reasons a miscommunication could cause friction in a relationship, but so many times it's like "she sees him with another girl & assumes he's in a relationship--whoopsie, it was just his sister!!!" or "he hears the lying jealous villain say something bad about her & assumes it's gospel--whoopsie, they were lying because they're jealous!!!"
The one thing here I really disagree with you on is that I love second-chance romances! A great example of them is Nina and Matthias from Six of Crows, where they were in a relationship in the past but they broke up and now there's all this tension and animosity mixed with love and longing; just chef's kiss imo. I think it's because I'm a real fan of "right person, wrong time" aspects, as well as friends-to-lovers-to-enemies-to-lovers. It's a trope that has so much good drama mixed in from the jump, and I really enjoy that!
Oh hell yeah, I also can enjoy that!
Same!
I also enjoy when there’s a real element of personal growth. Second-chance romances are a great way to show character development. For instance, in Persuasion, Anne and Wentworth originally broke up because Anne relied too much on the opinions of others. When they meet again 8 years later, Anne has really matured and become a level-headed woman who trusts her own judgement.
My favourite romance in this trope is the movie “Sleeping with Other People”. The characters had a one-night stand in college and then meet again as deeply flawed adults (infidelity, can’t keep long term relationships, sex addiction, etc). They become friends and both acknowledge that they’re attracted to each other but they have a slow burn because they decide not to sleep with each other because they have an instant friend chemistry and don’t want to ruin it with their self destructive sex/relationship patterns. Through being friends, they each make the other a better person and it’s just really cute.
Did Julia name drop Anastasia and Dimitri? From the 1997 animated musical _Anastasia_ 😃?
I loved their banter. As a toddler, it was my first experience with that "two people who constantly bicker actually have an underlying attraction to each other" trope.
Any trope present in Heartstopper has immediately become a favorite of mine: forbidden romance, friends to lovers, love at first sight...
Don’t forget kissing in the rain. I already liked that trope but Heartstopper made me like it even more
My sleep deprived butt thought the curtains behind y’all were words on a page. Like I thought those were lines of literature you guys would put up as examples for the books mentioned. I only realised because I was intrigued by a book title and thought “oh let me read one of the excerpts” and it was just a curtain
Gotta pause the vid halfway to redeem the Bodyguard trope because I fully believe that when done right, this trope is TOP TIER!!!! Especially when they gender bend the roles (in a het relationship), with the woman as the bodyguard and the man as the one needing protection *chef's kiss*
oh interesting! do you have a rec for that?
@@Vickynger My brain immediately goes to Hawkeye and Mustang from FMA. I don't know how good of a rec that is, but it's a pretty good example of that specific trope.
@Victoria Luther strong woman do bong soo
@@Vickynger I just read one called the bodyguard by Katherine centre!
enemies-to-friends-to-lovers is one of my favorites. esp if it's slow burn.
In watching this video I was also thinking about the romance tropes that show up a lot in Asian novels. There are a lot of novels where the protagonist dies and gets transmigrated to another world.
In one type of these novels, the MC is a prodigy (assassin, doctor, cook) and goes to an ancient china like world where magic is. The MC is always transmigrated into a person who is considered trash in that world but after training they become a world renowned prodigy in that world two.
In another type of these novels the MC is transmigrated into a book, mostly as a villain who dies, and they have to find a way to survive. This usually ends with the ML falling in love with them in the original book.
Both of these types of novels have their stereotypes but lately, I have seen different takes people have on the book. It can get really meta and convoluted at times but if executed correctly the novels are actually really interesting.
This sounds really interesting!!!! Sorry to ask u but can u recommend some??
I feel like the difference between insta love and love at first sight is execution. I don't like it when a couple meets and they instantly get together, but if they fall in love at first sight, but there's something stopping them, I don't mind
one my favorite tropes in Theory is arranged marriage but ive only seen it done well in fanfics that do “diplomatic marriage of convenience” so theres the commitment factor bc theyre responsible for an empire, a kingdom, a business etc. but also lots of political intrigue and angst.
it's crazy how many tropes work better in fanfic...idk if expectations are different (either from the readers or from the publishers, as in, the publishers push the creators to fit the current market trends) or what
Yeas it has to be political intrigued and they fall in love because they’re both working hard for the same thing.
Don't go into Evelyn Hugo thinking it's a romance! You might be dissappointed by that expectation. Loved the video!
i've recently found myself liking friends to lovers (specifically childhood friends to lovers) stories more if they develop feelings later in their friendship as opposed to person A pining for them for decades and person B only developing feelings later. it feels so much better to me if someone or something other than person A or B instigates the relationship. like if person A liked person B for decades, how is person B supposed to magically fall for person A that fast, like I want them both to realize their feelings at around the same time. I guess a few years of pining is fine but if its more than 5 yrs....sorry babes
Yeah, not to mention the gross "they friendzoned me but eventually I'll win their love!" vibes from the pining-one...like, were you ever even their friend?
honestly i used to love reading friends to lovers stories till my friend told me that they liked me and i didn't. after that I have never been able to bring myself to read these stories because I feel very uncomfortable and guilty smh
I really like the arranged marriage trope. Like when two people are forced to marry for whatever reason and they end up loving each other. But they are not many movies and series that do this trope justice. I also like the pretend we are in a relationship trope but again I haven't seen it being used a lot in series or movies.
I might’ve missed it since I was multitasking while watching but one that was missing on this list was memory loss! I loooooove when a lover somehow tragically loses all memory of a relationship, especially ones with a dark/profound past 🥰 and the other has to slowly inch them towards it, making them fall in love all over again
I am a sucker for fake 👏 relationships 👏 tropes like on the movie The Proposal. But I didn't the 1st Bridgerton book.
I didn't realize bullying was a troupe now... 😅The only example I could think of was "Hey, Arnold!"
7 Husbands of Evelyn Hugo is fantastic but it's more of a life story than a romance.
The only example of arranged marriage i care about is Aisha and Nabu from Winx Club
After what happened to them, I don't know if I'd consumed it again 😭
I H A T E student/teacher, professor/teacher because it just always feels like a power imbalance, and the same with a huge age gap, there's one party who inherently has power over the other and URGH
i'm a simple man, i see a julia cudney notification and drop everything to watch it
The professor and student is still morally wrong because it's not just about age there is a power dynamic that is inappropriate.
I get that 100%,though maybe this could work in a college?
I mean, I always figured that's what people were actually reading it FOR. Like a billionaire & poor girl romance, or mob boss & good girl, or vampire & mortal girl, or any other gross dude & blank-slate girl
10:50 i think the arranged marriage trope needs to be renamed to forced marriage, bc i would argue arranged marriages typically are just marriages of convenience. but in most of these books one usually doesn't want it at all but is forced into it.
Guys this is killing me. What is the name of the trope in Shrek, Tangled and Anastasia where a criminal/bad guy reluctantly helps/guides the heroine on a journey?
Road trip romance may be what you're looking for
@@michl8379 ahhh yes! thanks ur amazing
Julia have you ever played a dating sim? They are basically several romance options and you pick the one you want to explore. It allows you to explore a lot of tropes in one media. I think you might enjoy them!
Those are so fun when you're single lol Mystic Messenger is top tier otome/dating sim. I used to also really enjoy playing Ikemen Sengoku and Blood in Roses. I never found a working version of the game, but my favorite anime back in the day was "La corda d'oro," which was based on these types of games.
@@writerspen010 I absolutely adore MM and IkeSen! I haven't played Blood in Roses. My first was Hatoful Boyfriend, which seems gimmicky but actually has a great story underneath!
@@writerspen010 I dunno if you know, but La Corda has a mobile game now~ you might want to check it out. It's only in JP, but there are workarounds.
As a HUGE otome game fan, hell yes! There are so many great ones out there, and even the middling ones can be pretty fun
I haven't even watched the video but if enemies to lovers isn't top tier we're gonna have words 😂
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I feel like the "slightly disagree" tropes are the ones that can be appealing when well written.
The strongly disagree are the ones that can't be saved by writing.
As another person has said, don't go into Seven husbands of Evelyn Hugo with too romantic expectations, but there are quite a few publicity stunt marriages, though Evelyn is bi, not lesbian, so not all marriages are purely practical
This video made me realize just how little I actually read 😂
You guys are both so so pretty omg! And learning Spanish is great!
I need to get on y’all’s level wiry reading and I’m writing all of the mentioned books down as recommendations. Even though I’m more of a murder mystery fan
Watching this to de stress before an important exam tomorrow - thank you Julia! This is just what I needed❤️
i prefer "instalove" over "love at first sight" bc it feels less superficial
I think I always hear about instalove in negative contexts though
Oh thank god your back. I needed this for my sanity.
I'm not a big romance reader/watcher admittedly, but in my opinion the best unrequited love to lovers portrayal is Itazura Na Kiss (I think the english title is Love in Tokyo)
You unlocked a memory for me. That was a really nice show!
i had no idea this was over an hour until i finished the video lol. the time FLEW
Forbidden romance I the best kind, especially when they have to run away.
oh i needed this thank you julia
See my thing is that, yeah, a lot of these tropes are interesting to read/watch, sure. But maaan, so much of it is sooo poorly written and portrays such toxic and bad relationships while romanticizing it all which really makes me dislike most of them. Anything written well can be good or interesting but unfortunately way too many of these tropes are not and that’s where my problem lies with them.
i've been on a romance binge lately this video was made for me specifically
If you are ever interested in checking out Webtoons, Midnight Poppyland is a great mafia romance. I never thought I would be drawn to that genre, but it's nice to see the male lead trying to be better for his lady.
And they communicate too 😥 for once
Lol I'm only a few minutes in and while I do not disagree with your rankings so far, I have also been able to think of at least one East-Asian example for a fair few potentially disagreeable tropes done compellingly....
A few examples would be:
Celebrity = Love Alarm (k-drama)
Cheating = Nana (manga)
Height difference = Lovely Complex (anime)
So, I guess the lesson here is: if you don't think you like a particular romance trope, maybe seek out manga/manhwa, animes or Asian dramas lol.
I hate the bullying trope but I love Jude/Cardan, really weird but idk, I just think Jude can handle Cardan and her bullies (I mean... she has knives and isn't afraid to use them). I kinda think it's more enemies to lovers than bullying but... it does start that way at the beginning of the first book but idk
exactly! i felt so conflicted with this too. i love jude's character and its hard for me to think about liking any other version of the bullying trope lmaoo
Yeah, I think we don't really care about the bullying trope in the cruel prince because what she did to him overall all is way worse than what he did to her
Huh so theres definitely bullying in The cruel Prince but on the other hand I dont feel like its a bully romance? Maybe its because its not in a contemporary setting? But yeah I'm really not big on the bully/bullied trope either. I think Cardan/Jude works so well because of their circumstances and bc they are on pretty even footing. There isn't a huge power imbalance in their dynamic after a certain point and I also think it helps that we see how fixated they are on each other.
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Can you do a platonic troops tire list,they deserve love too. (Good ones)
omg YAY so excited to watch
you should be a AMA/Q&A sometime - I’ve followed you for over a year now but still don’t know that much about you (if that was intentional though, then no worries!)
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Romantic literary devices (tropes)
1. Two characters stuck together fall in love
2. Forbidden love
3. Pretend relationship
4. Emotionally unavailable love interest
5. Enemies who become lovers
6. Friends to lovers
7. Second chances
8. Destined to be together
9. Love triangles
10. Workplace romance
11. Belated love epiphany
❤️ Dogfight- both the musical and the film
You said second chance romance and the first example I thought of was wizards of waverly place where Alex and mason broke up then got their own places and got back together. As a kid I loved to see mason back but I heard someone say that he was being really desperate and clingy and not respecting her boundaries so I’m not so sure anymore 🤔
I actually was thinking about them when they were discussing 'rain kiss' trope lol
99 Percent Mine is probably my favourite of the sibling's best friend trope. It's from the author of The Hating Game
Have you seen the tv show, friends with benefits? It is silly and adorable, and I think you'd like it. And, Dean Winchester's real life wife is the lead... I don't know that it makes the show any better, but there you go.
Alright- Bridgerton Theory Time: I think Eloise and Theo are going to be will they/won’t they (which they really already are, but stay with me) or star-crossed-lovers. (Kind of like Romeo and Juliet.)
Let me know what you think. (And no hate please.)
The fact that I strongly disagree with mafia romances too yet I can’t get enough of them 😭 my fav one being the maddest obsession it’s just too good
A great second chance romance is Love and Other Words by Christina Lauren, you get to see them falling in love as teens but you also get the adult years.
Love this video, you two are so fun!
For an interesting fake dating celebrity romance, I would recommend a book called the view was exhausting 😊
loved this video. also i need you to watch heartstopper on netflix at some point
Wow I’m early! Excited to watch
omg I hope you see Hadestown if you get the chance! It's SO GOOD live
this is what happy looks like by jennifer e. smith is a celebrity trope that i ate up when i was 12. i don't know if it is good now, but i loved it back then.
Arranged marriage is interesting because it only is interesting in my in a royal, political intrigue setting. Which is what I’ve written before in my own stories but not as a romance trope, they both are in love with other people. There’s one comic I kinda like with an arrange marriage where they do fall in love and it’s really hard for me to workout why I like it, maybe it is that fighting to get to know eachother and be comitted
I would argue that friends to lovers sometimes need forced proximity too, but it's more like when you're always in a group and suddenly it's just the two of you or sometimes it's sharing a room or just seeing the friend in another light than before.
1 hour??????? let's gooo
Ummm you guys are gorgeous
the only arranged marriage story i’ve read and liked is in the show The Americans
that show/relationship is so amazing
First of all, I'm gay so when I say I fell in love with you in my second "of all" point, it's not creepy, right?
Second of all, I just stumbled upon your channel and fell in love with your vibe! I was watching Cinderella (Brandy/Whitney) and thought to myself, "I'll bet someone has ranked all of these retellings". I paused the movie to look, found your video, watched it, and subscribed immediately to check out the rest of your content! Now I'll go finish the movie ^.^
Daisy Jones and the six and seven husbands of Evelyn Hugo are by the same author lol definitely read both
I just finished reading a really good gallavich celebrity fic on ao3, Cooperative Gameplay by grayola!
I will defend the love hypothesis until the very end. Super slow-burn, mutual pining, both mature leads, AND he wasn’t her professor. He was just another professor in the same department. I think it’s fine.
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8:58 I think you’re talking about The Kiss of Deception.
correct
best friends to lovers>>>>>>>
Do you memorize your scripts or do you read them as you go? Also, do you write them or do you get help?
Lol I had to watch once with straight pairings in mind and another time with gay pairings in mind. Highly recommend!
Hell I'll do a third with lesbians in mind.
the best mafia romance has to be the film bound
You brought up that arranged marriage stories are more common in Indian culture, which is great cause I was already working on this comment. If you Are interested in enjoying a practically perfect arranged marriage romance, I highly recommend Jodhaa Akbar, which is a Bollywood spectacle film about a well known historical queen. It does feature an extremely hot flirty sword fighting scene and is a delightful slow burn.
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Is 8:50 Kiss of Deception?
Nuuu 1hr of romance spoilers LOL . Cool video tho !!
Fake dating is my jam IF it’s a sex work thing. Specifically sugar babies offering the full girlfriend experience and then one party slowly realizes that they’ve caught feelings for the other despite their relationship not being “real”
Wow! I find nicknames so cringe ! Intersting to hear others opinions on them
Dude I was so excited to read Memoirs of a Geisha and got pretty far (which is rare for me with books I have the shortest attention span) and when it got to the part (SPOILER BELOW)
Where she was slowly becoming more and more into that, what was it, 40 year old man she met when she was like 10… I was so disappointed. I was rooting for you my girl but you let me down BAD. This man is crusty
She was 1000x cooler stronger wittier than him, they didn’t build him up enough to make up for that age gap
A lot of actual geisha have come out and said _Memoirs of a Geisha_ is just some fetishizing orientalist bullshit; if you're interested _Geisha, A Life_ by Mineko Iwasaki is an actual memoir by an actual geisha who basically wanted to set the record straight.
Did anyone else think The Time Traveler's Wife was a creepy age gap romance? No one I talk to seems to care because eventually they are around the same age.🤢
i thought it was creepy too, i didn't end up finishing it haha
it feels like a grooming story to me its so weird
@@DawnlessSkys Also, if you read Niffenegger's second book, it is totally spooky. Actually one of my favorite books! My conspiracy theory is that TTW is supposed to be gross and uncomfortable but the money came from it being a "romance."
When it comes to pregnancy I was thinking more like the two people had a one night stand and they got pregnant and the whole story is about them after they find out
read the cruel prince, evelyn hugo and daisy jones. i am like 98% sure you will love each of these books i swear
scratch that out im 100% sure you’ll love the cruel prince’s sequel, but as everyone knows the first book is a little weak so im not sure
Really? I found the third to be the weakest, the second is the best one for sure