THE ULTIMATE HONKAI: STAR RAIL 3.0 TIERLIST.

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  • @mooseoncaffeine
    @mooseoncaffeine  18 днів тому +6

    I want to add a quick warning here that I should've in the video, I will be discussing leaked character kits, which are of course Aglaea, Herta, and RMC. There is no gameplay at all though, only words.

    • @Cadmun
      @Cadmun 17 днів тому +1

      Reported this video to Hoyoverse for leaking.

  • @Zoeila
    @Zoeila 18 днів тому +60

    People need to stop reducing Fugue to just super break. She has and gives colorless break and exo toughness

    • @bloonbrawler9872
      @bloonbrawler9872 18 днів тому +2

      I 100% agree with you. The aspect I was most excited about her was the exo toughness and seeing people talking about her super break instead of her exo toughness confused me?

    • @mooseoncaffeine
      @mooseoncaffeine  18 днів тому +14

      Yes! As I mentioned you can use her with Himeko to make some pretty powerful teams against Fire weak enemies.
      I also said the community is definitely going to create more teams for her than I or any beta testers could.
      She's going to be really good, but I wouldn't suggest most players to pull her over Sunday.

    • @Zoeila
      @Zoeila 18 днів тому +3

      @mooseoncaffeine that wasn't necessary directed at you just an overall frustration with over simplification of chars. Same happened with Lingsha Now people are like wait Critsha wasn't a meme?

    • @mooseoncaffeine
      @mooseoncaffeine  18 днів тому +10

      @@Zoeila yeah I'm aware that wasn't directed at me, just responding to a comment with my own input 🫡
      Seele looking at an abundance character outDPS her in every scenario:

    • @jerryeljeremy7790
      @jerryeljeremy7790 18 днів тому +1

      Simple, there are currently 7 Superbreak units, and I listed which char you need to pair with Fugue and not:
      • Rappa: Decent (E1 Fugue recommended)
      • Firefly: Don't need to (Except E2 Firefly)
      • Boothill: Need Fugue (E1 to completely replace Ruan Mei)
      • Lingsha: YES
      • Gallagher: Kinda
      • Himeko: Yes if you play superbreak Himeko
      • Xueyi: YES but E1 + Sunday

  • @glnkoum
    @glnkoum 17 днів тому +19

    I'm absolute Aventurine glazer and tbh Lingsha definitely deserve a place in SSS tier, especially with upcoming summon meta

  • @thefisherguy7269
    @thefisherguy7269 17 днів тому +15

    You're underrating Ratio imo. while i do agree he was basically replaced by Feixiao in his best team he's still you're 2nd best option for people that didn't pull Feixiao and he was free, he's also simply not Dhil and JL tier levels honestly. All he really needs is Robin and any good debuffer and he should be able to clear. But i do agree that he's worthless if you have Feixiao but otherwise I'd put him in must build.

  • @LM-pg9hy
    @LM-pg9hy 18 днів тому +9

    Lingshas value gonna skyrocket even more when mydei and castorice come out

  • @GabeIG
    @GabeIG 18 днів тому +6

    11:53 and tingyuns flat energy is irrelevant when future characters have hundreds of energy compared to characters that can give % energy

  • @CelestialQueenLollipop
    @CelestialQueenLollipop 16 днів тому +2

    Fugue is like a Hoyotroll moment "Let's make her Nihility and buffs allies, gives weakness to enemies to make people think she works well with Acheron but make her talent always give Superbreak so it doesn't"
    Like bro, I am at a dilema because of this. Wanna save my pulls for Castorice but this brought my attention.

  • @belleboni2016
    @belleboni2016 17 днів тому +5

    As F2P, I always weighed every character banners, whether they will synergized with my teams and/or make my account more competent. And I'm proud to say that I have all the SSS tier characters on my account (except The Herta ofcourse).
    Now my target is Castorice for I love her design and anticipating her to be meta as well. Thinking of getting another Sustain, can't decide if I pull for Lingsha or Huohuo, as Aventurine and E6 Gallagher I'm currently using.

    • @mooseoncaffeine
      @mooseoncaffeine  17 днів тому +2

      @belleboni2016 If you want Castorice, then HuoHuo is the best sustain for her because of all the energy she gives. Lingsha is a lot more comfortable, though.
      Also having all SSS units is such a flex, man

  • @John_II
    @John_II 18 днів тому +6

    Great tier list - it's easy to understand.

  • @sircracksman
    @sircracksman 17 днів тому +1

    Considering Kafkas kit is almost entirely dedicated to procing DOTs I don't think she will ever be replaced in her role. It would be pretty dumb of hoyo to release another 5* that is just "Kafka but better" that would result in some serious backlash from the community given her popularity.We do need another DOT character no doubt about that

  • @8lolbit59
    @8lolbit59 17 днів тому +4

    Damn the welt sustain part hit me hard also Kafka did not fell off that hard. Even you made a video clearing moc 12 with dot

    • @mooseoncaffeine
      @mooseoncaffeine  17 днів тому

      @8lolbit59 If it wasn't for that e1s1 Ruan mei I wouldn't have cleared 😭

    • @LCardosed92
      @LCardosed92 16 днів тому +2

      @@mooseoncaffeine but then without Ruan Mei even Break Teams can't clear endgame content properly. Ruan Mei is just as essential for DoT teams than Break Teams.

  • @Djdjkskssjie8381
    @Djdjkskssjie8381 9 днів тому +1

    The acheron glaze needs to be studied

  • @thatonebread3585
    @thatonebread3585 18 днів тому +1

    As much as Sunday is gonna be crucial for the meta soon...
    I can't just NOT pull for a pretty Foxian lady.

  • @QuinticGhost-de4eo
    @QuinticGhost-de4eo 11 днів тому

    Finally, I found someone who doesn’t underestimate space cowboy

  • @ZeHoovy2595
    @ZeHoovy2595 18 днів тому +3

    My problem with The Herta is that she's Erudition, and their problem is that they're not really good outside of PF, and dont say that Rappa is broken, she isn't, SUPER BREAK is.

    • @bilalitosjitos
      @bilalitosjitos 18 днів тому +9

      they just buffed The herta to be more viable outside in pure fiction, she focus more in elites

    • @ProB5
      @ProB5 17 днів тому +1

      Herta is as strong as aglea in moc and as too now yk

    • @nickhall1616
      @nickhall1616 17 днів тому +2

      Erudition is the king 👑 bow pleb

    • @mooseoncaffeine
      @mooseoncaffeine  17 днів тому +1

      @ZeHoovy2595 She's going to be busted everywhere not just pure fiction. As I said in the video we thought she was going to be pf locked but she's powerful everywhere.

    • @Animefan_7153-0
      @Animefan_7153-0 17 днів тому

      Herta is an emanator of erudition though, if you refer to her dolls then sure they could be a different path, but why would they?Keep in mind she's a 4 star, a free one from the start of the game, any other version if her wouldn't be as good as how she is now, even if they were viable in other modes, anyways based on the comments you're reffering to The Herta, and so you must know that she does something similar to Acheron's sliced dream with interpretation that makes her do a lot more damage to elite enemies, so she's viable outside purefiction, and would be great in the current 2nd node of apocalyptic shadow

  • @proles8
    @proles8 6 днів тому

    The characters that have little use to me now (Seele, Kafka, and Silver Wolf) are about where I expected them lol. I was pulling based on liking the character only back then.
    I pulled for Solver Wolf not knowing that she was ST and RNG
    Pulled for Kafka despite not liking the 4 star DoTs
    Pulled for Seele over Topaz because I liked the reset mechanic, but I could have left that to support in calyxes
    If I had to trade any character meta wise it's be Kafka for Jiaoqiu, but it's nice to have them on my accnt since I can use their BiS teams via supports
    Seele is just waiting for a nihility unit that attaches a ghost to the boss that will count as a kill to proc resurgence

  • @NobleFaeriie
    @NobleFaeriie 17 днів тому +1

    I currently main firefly and 4 star Herta, I’m pulling fugue because firefly deserves every little upgrade I can give her (plus I love himeko break in pf and fugue will make that insane) and I hope I win my 50/50 for the Herta so I can use both of her in end game lol

    • @proles8
      @proles8 6 днів тому +1

      I main FF as well, but I'm desperately trying to power up my other team because FF is breezing through each mode but my other teams are struggling lmao. I need to get the above 7 cycles clears before she falls to 5 cycling

  • @Demon-sr6hu
    @Demon-sr6hu 12 днів тому

    sighh, I love how herta got buffed then aglaea got nerfed :(. By far one of my favorite characters in the game got nerfed before her release while her 3.0 partner got hella buffed-

  • @LCardosed92
    @LCardosed92 18 днів тому +7

    Meanwhile me using DoT team with Preservation MC as sustain and clearing all endgame content.

    • @mooseoncaffeine
      @mooseoncaffeine  17 днів тому +2

      @@LCardosed92 don't worry, I'm using DoT to clear too. 🫡

    • @Animefan_7153-0
      @Animefan_7153-0 17 днів тому +1

      DoT is good and is still in its infancy as an archetype, but...Preservation Mc?How did you build them?

    • @ABC-yj6cy
      @ABC-yj6cy 16 днів тому +1

      Since you're bragging and all, do post a video of your gameplay in MoC. We're all curious about what you just said 😂

    • @Yin184
      @Yin184 16 днів тому +3

      @@ABC-yj6cyjealous that others are able to use their brain and abuse MoC mechanisms to clear instead of just clicking buttons? I see. 😊

  • @Truck-kun11
    @Truck-kun11 18 днів тому +6

    I don't really agree with judging 5 Stars with their Sig LC included since not everyone can afford to go after LC and characters should be judged in their most basic state and straight out of the box in my opinion.
    If a character ends up dropping a tier or two because they don't have their Sig LC then that's a design flaw and a factor to take into consideration when judging them.

    • @tommyhickin4669
      @tommyhickin4669 17 днів тому +2

      There's already popular tier lists like Prydwen that already consider every 5 star E0S0 though - not every list should have the same criteria because conversely, some people save for/ can afford characters' light cones and those people would also like tier lists suited to them. That said I do think characters could be lower within their tier if they're reliant on their light cone vs just having a good light cone, to average their position out a bit and act as a tiebreaker where 2 E0S1 characters have the same overall value.

    • @Raidenmommy89
      @Raidenmommy89 15 днів тому

      Not really when considering it from a meta basis you should have enough to pull for them and their lightcone this is a strict meta tier list and not a tier list for casual players from a meta standpoint you should have enough to pull a character their lightcone and 2 eidolons

    • @evan_wang
      @evan_wang 5 днів тому

      @Raidenmommy89 Bro I'm not casual and I can barely get E0 characters, what are you on with E2S1

    • @Raidenmommy89
      @Raidenmommy89 4 дні тому

      @evan_wang and I'm casual I only login to do the commissions and o haven't done the quest I don't have e6 hmc and yet I have enough for the best meta characters at e0s1 and some characters like topaz at e1s1 I'm planning on getting e1 robin too

    • @evan_wang
      @evan_wang 4 дні тому

      @Raidenmommy89 good for you then, you have some margin to farm more jades. For my part I farmed everything, I had many pulls and I lost many many 50/50 so I don't have eidolons on my characters. Good luck on getting E1 Robin on her rerun!

  • @shwetasharma6690
    @shwetasharma6690 11 днів тому

    i have a slight suspicion that aglaea might get buffed in v5 or v6 and replace acheron, why i say this : Hoyo like monei (if im not mistaken acheron made the most money so i think if aglaea beats her, then hoyo is in for a treat.

  • @Starblaizer
    @Starblaizer 11 днів тому

    I hearde The herta is gonna fall of just like jingliu, what's your thought on this?

    • @mooseoncaffeine
      @mooseoncaffeine  11 днів тому

      If she ever "falls off" then she'd fall off only as much as Acheron ever did, and Acheron is still an SSS unit.
      Big herta's damage is insane, there's no way the next best DPS does so much it completely overshadows her.

    • @Starblaizer
      @Starblaizer 11 днів тому

      @mooseoncaffeine thanks so much

    • @Starblaizer
      @Starblaizer 11 днів тому

      @mooseoncaffeine also merry Christmas

  • @rafaeloliveira9353
    @rafaeloliveira9353 17 днів тому

    I think lynx in being injusticed, she's a decent healer, not top, but gets the job done

  • @Brandmattra
    @Brandmattra 17 днів тому +1

    I think when we are using the best in slot teammates V2 Aglaea can kinda compete with the top dps in my opinion as even tho she does less damage per hit, she just does so many attacks. But now she got nerfed in V3 and saying this maybe a far stretch

    • @RipFinnick
      @RipFinnick 12 днів тому +1

      Ngl aglea does not get as much credit as she deserves. While she may not be able to do a nuke very cycle, she gets at least 4 500k attacks in a cycle, and garmentmaker will hit 4 75k hits also. This makes her better that Acheron and tied with a well invested feixao ngl. A well invested aglea is the best dps ngl.

    • @Brandmattra
      @Brandmattra 12 днів тому

      @RipFinnick Yep I agree

    • @RipFinnick
      @RipFinnick 12 днів тому

      @ castorice will be a better summon dps but I bet aglea can compete

  • @rfrff9526
    @rfrff9526 17 днів тому

    Honestly for boothill fugue is pretty much only good for being the 4th slot in sustainless. Sunday and rm are too good to drop.

    • @Brandmattra
      @Brandmattra 17 днів тому +1

      Nah Fugue is BiS with Boothill as he can instantly get all his Pocket Trickshot and his break damage scales with the amount of toughness the enemy has

    • @lstinside8688
      @lstinside8688 14 днів тому

      That's why for Boothill she's amazing and it will be his Bis Team. 15% Slow from her Trace, Extended break from RM and slows from Boothill's ults and breaking constantly provided by Sunday's AA and Energy granting

  • @Aiolet
    @Aiolet 14 днів тому

    I lost my 50 50 on aventurines LC, and Sunday. So I guess Im going for fugue to replace my pela or create a new break team. Or do I save for the 3+ update......

  • @ken_727
    @ken_727 10 днів тому

    IMO Sparkle should be atleast S tier

  • @zlandar1
    @zlandar1 17 днів тому

    Wha is big Herta’s dps category? Will she be affected by break-immune bosses?

    • @mooseoncaffeine
      @mooseoncaffeine  17 днів тому +2

      She's a skill-damage focused traditional Crit DPS.
      She won't be affected by things like that.

  • @jhopan_3271
    @jhopan_3271 16 днів тому +1

    No DPS should be in SSS IMO. Drop all three of them down

  • @unionsun5606
    @unionsun5606 18 днів тому

    I don't think people understand how broken Therta is. She's going to be the strongest character in the game I fear.

    • @mooseoncaffeine
      @mooseoncaffeine  18 днів тому

      It's honestly insane how good her F2P teams are.

    • @jerryeljeremy7790
      @jerryeljeremy7790 18 днів тому

      Plus the new Row mechanic coming in 3.X gonna make AoE meta in every mode.
      I'm just wishing Hunt to get the same love as Erudition. Maybe Piercing DMG for rowed enemies will be cool for Hunt.

  • @HassanAli-vk6ho
    @HassanAli-vk6ho 17 днів тому

    fexiao and archeron are stronger than the herta since higher damage multiplier in their kit

  • @axHSR
    @axHSR 15 днів тому +2

    You cant give advice on a character you dont own, you should delete your channel NOW!

  • @Elizabet_Gawin
    @Elizabet_Gawin 17 днів тому

    your acheron glaze is insane youre saying that superbreak will feel off acting like acheron didnt and Im not really focused on leaks but I dont think we are gonna get a new support for her and If u pull up with e2s1 I dont even want to discuss

    • @Raidenmommy89
      @Raidenmommy89 15 днів тому +1

      Difference is there are confirmed bosses who are resistant to break the games pattern is always the same they'll make more bosses like hoolay which will make superbreak useless acheron will always be relevant since her damage doesn't evolve around a mechanic like break which can easily be stopped. Not to mention acheron currently does more dmg overall that all the superbreak dps characters. Finally acheron will probably get powercrept by a dps doing more damage but for now she's better than superbreak and for 3.0 she'll still be relevant same as feixiao

    • @Raidenmommy89
      @Raidenmommy89 15 днів тому +1

      And acheron never fell off she's the second best dps imo behind feixiao and she's better in some scenarios unlike superbreak which is slowly becoming unusable

    • @Elizabet_Gawin
      @Elizabet_Gawin 15 днів тому

      just wait till enemies with high effect res will come out

    • @ashimsy
      @ashimsy 14 днів тому

      Just use both firefly and acheron like me lol

  • @nickhall1616
    @nickhall1616 17 днів тому

    Bruh be out here giving advice on characters he doesn’t even have?

    • @Cadmun
      @Cadmun 17 днів тому

      Diabolical if true.

    • @mooseoncaffeine
      @mooseoncaffeine  17 днів тому

      @nickhall1616 oh my god you're so right my career is so over.

    • @Brandmattra
      @Brandmattra 17 днів тому

      I don't have E6S5 Robin so therefore I cannot say that she is busted😭

    • @nickhall1616
      @nickhall1616 17 днів тому

      @@mooseoncaffeine if this was a career for you, you wouldn’t be skipping characters.

    • @mooseoncaffeine
      @mooseoncaffeine  17 днів тому

      @nickhall1616 actually man if I pulled everyone I'd be even more broke than I already am.
      You can talk about characters and know how good/bad they are without having them because there's such a thing as looking at videos and kits online.

  • @ABC-yj6cy
    @ABC-yj6cy 16 днів тому

    Hoolay with weakness break immunity is a serious lack of creativity from hoyo 😂

  • @yutaaaa868
    @yutaaaa868 18 днів тому +1

    I would disagree on ratio given why would use him over feixiao that reasoning can be applied to multiple units, why use sparkle over sunday, why use rappa over firefly, why march and moze over topaz, why gallagher over lingsha.
    I find that reasoning doesnt really make sense because those units are still good hell ratio only fell from T0.5 since 1.6 to T1 only now in MoC

    • @mooseoncaffeine
      @mooseoncaffeine  18 днів тому

      @yutaaaa868 Why use sparkle over Sunday? Exactly why I put her in only A tier and not S/SS tier like some people would.
      Why use March and Moze over Topaz? Because some people don't have Topaz.
      Rappa and Firefly are mostly equal.
      Its just that most players that already have Robin, which is the character that would make Ratio strong, already have Feixiao as well. If they don't, then totally use Ratio, but I haven't seen Ratio used in any team or any showcase ever since Feixiao came out.

    • @yutaaaa868
      @yutaaaa868 18 днів тому

      ​@mooseoncaffeine I understand this but the that also applies to moze and march as well because if you already have robin for ratio you then have topaz as well for feixiao? Nit saying the tierlist is bad or anything I think it's explained and showcased perfectly but I just feel in terms of our characters the reasonings are fluctuating you know?

    • @mooseoncaffeine
      @mooseoncaffeine  18 днів тому

      @yutaaaa868 I see, you got me there for sure. Maybe I should've picked a different reasoning.

    • @yutaaaa868
      @yutaaaa868 18 днів тому +1

      @mooseoncaffeine No problem I also think because of their team compositions changed as well without topaz, moze work best for ratio and march better for feixiao and for sustains most people use lingsha for feixiao rather than aven so I if we ever get another teamwide buffer like robin their teams might go from sharing one unit to another. And I fully believe as long as there's debuffers that decrease res pen or def ratio will sorta unironically always have a place in some form of the meta! But keep doing what you doing love the videos so much

  • @Cadmun
    @Cadmun 17 днів тому

    3:31 Feixiou is notoriously poor when there’s no wind weak enemies. “There’s no reason to use Ratio over her”, is wrong, Ratio should be played over her when there’s imaginary weakness.
    13:34 E0S1 JY + Sunday and E0S1 Acheron do similar damage.Tally up the damage over a rotation and stop looking at damage in single hits 😤
    14:27 Bro makes the argument that Pela gives more buffs to Acheron than JQ. Cites the 56% defence shred she gives. Pela needs Resolution LC to reach that. If you give the resolution LC to JQ, he gives a 50% vulnerability (better than defence shred btw) AND 16% def shred from the LC. This comment is provably false.
    Bro, delete this vid before more people see your clownish takes 😮

    • @mooseoncaffeine
      @mooseoncaffeine  17 днів тому

      @Cadmun spell feixiao correctly first buddy.
      I've used Feixiao in no wind weak scenarios she still cleared.
      Jing Yuan just doesn't do as much damage as Acheron.
      Why are you complaining about Jiaoqiu? I put him in SS.

    • @Brandmattra
      @Brandmattra 17 днів тому +2

      I think it is because rn the MOC favours lightning dps but when there is no lightning weakness then the damage gap between Acheron and Jing Yuan will start to show

    • @Cadmun
      @Cadmun 17 днів тому

      @ omg moose is logged into his alt account and replying to comments 🤣

    • @Brandmattra
      @Brandmattra 17 днів тому +2

      @@Cadmun bro wut

    • @Raidenmommy89
      @Raidenmommy89 15 днів тому

      Feixiao does more dmg than ratio in all scenarios jy doesn't compare to acheron at all even at e0s0 and pela and jq aren't that different for acheron considering the fact that jq is a limited support