@@FrancoBarbagallo1 actually, it was not that common even in 2010 to jump many quads. Nowadays with new score system Plushenko could win, I guess, because only last 3 jumps would get higher base value. Evan won because he had 5 jumps in second part of the program and Evgeny did only 3.
It's not difficult to understand how Lysacek won. 1. Lysace's programs were more technically difficult than Plushenko's, even without the quad. Lysacek was the first skater smart enough to backload his programs and bank up the extra 10% on a lot of elements. Now, everyone is doing it! Traditionally, Plushenko put all his heavy tech elements up front and just coasted through the last 1.5-2 minutes of his program. Because Lysack's base value was higher in both programs, and he skated flawlessly with zero deductions, he beat Plushenko on the technical mark, even without the quad. They were essentially tied on PCS with Plushenko only having a 0.1 advantage there. So, no one can say Lysacek's victory was a subjective one or that Plushenko was "robbed". He wasn't. Mandatory base points and the extra 10% add up, and they did just that for Lysacek. 2. Eight years ago, the guys who were able (and there weren't many) were mostly doing one quad in each program. In those days, it wasn't difficult for a challenger who skated flawlessly with zero deductions and no quads to defeat a defending champion who landed a couple quads but with other mistakes. At that time, the quad toe Plushenko was doing was only worth 10.3 points, while a triple-axle, triple-toe was worth 12.8 points, and Lysacek had a 3A+3T and a 3L+3T in his LP. He also got higher levels on his footwork and other elements. 3. Plushenko was seriously out of shape. It must be remembered that after winning gold in Torino, Plushenko went into semi-retirement. Between 2006 and 2010, he didn't skate in a single competition. In fact, the ONLY competition he skated in prior to the 2010 games was Russian Nationals. Now, I don't care how talented someone is--if you don't use it, you're going to lose it. How could Plushenko think he could come back after four years of not skating competitively and walk right into the Olympic games?! His lack of conditioning showed. His jumps were very crooked in the air with wild landings and a wide swinging leg on one. A couple of times, only his muscle memory kept him from falling. To all those who don't know how to add up base points and understand why Lysacek won, I say, "Go back and compare Plushenko's LP's from Torino and Vancouver. His performance and conditioning is markedly decreased in 2010." Even so, the judges did NOT hit Plushenko with the -GOEs he deserved, while at the same time, they showed Lysacek almost no +GOE love that he should have earned. In the end, Lysacek won that gold all by himself with no help from the judges either in +GOEs or PCS. He won it basically on base points alone, and he totally deserved it. 4. Plushenko knew he hadn't done enough to win. I always tell people who bitch about Lysacek's win to watch Plushenko's Vancouver LP and pause the video after the camera gets a close-up on him with his arms over his head during the applause. You can tell by the worried expression on his face he KNEW what he laid down wasn't enough to win, even with the quad...and yet, he somehow still expected it. Such an entitled narcissist. 5. Lysacek's gold also is NOT the first time a skater with no quad defeated a defending champion who landed one in each program. Two years BEFORE Vancouver at Worlds 2008, Canada's Jeffrey Buttle defeated France's Brian Joubert, who landed two quads but with other errors, while Buttle with no quads had two incredible skates. Watch it. Buttle is amazing and deserved his gold, too. Yet somehow, certain people lost their minds when Lysacek won gold in Vancouver. The bottom line is that Plushenko seriously underestimated the competition and overestimated his capability after four years off going into the 2010 games. He thought he could sail right in there and walk away with the gold like 2006. He expected his reputation and not his actual performance to do the heavy lifting for him, but he wasn't counting on a better and smarter skater with a strategically planned program skated flawlessly defeating him that night. His ego got the best of him. Even in Sochi four years later, the top guys were still only doing one quad in the SP and just two quads in the LP. That's it. Men's skating didn't become quad heavy until Nathan Chen hit the scene in 2016-17 and forced all the guys to try and keep up with him. Now, you simply can't win without two quads in the SP and at least 4-5 in the LP...but back in 2010, it was a VERY different story.
I however, disagree that this was artistic. It was a boring program and he didnt connect with the music. I would have given Plushenko much higher performance, but I think who got screwed most was Takahashi. Someone like Takahashi should have been first in the SP and with a much much stronger PCS. Looking at Takahashi sp and FS vs lysachek, Takahashi had so much stronger choreography and you can actually enjoy the performance and spins. I believe Weir's performance PCS marked was underscored. Also, Lysachek's 3A-2T was not flawless. I believe if the comp was judged fairly, daisuke would have had a lead in the sp, not felt like he needed a quad, and then would do a lp without one. But even with the fall, Daisuke's PCS should have been so much higher in the lp. Also, it only had two more jumps in the 2nd half than Plushenko.
Just one thing...it was Jin Boyang who started the quad revolution in 2015! Nathan was in Juniors. Jin Boyang put 2 quads in the SP in Cup of China 2015
Then you have the strange thing of judges thinking EP's short programme ranked him something like 20th. His SP carried that... oddity. Oh, the computer, the computer... but what judge on earth ranked his SP as being that sub par? There were three of them. What is that? Who were they? What had they been smoking? So, no, not all cold, hard, facts... and this isn't skiing. There are never any cold, hard facts in figure skating. But they wanted it that way... and now that's what they have. And its zzzzzzzzz. And that leaden footwork... like a Giraffe with clogs on.
He didn't even deserve to be on the podium. News flash, flailing your arms around like you're trying to take flight is not choreography, mental note to yourself. In addition, EP jumps were completely off center, the landings, we're not clean, and his music was not what the judges prefer.
This still gives me goosebumps. He's such a lovely skater and this program was amazing. I miss skaters skating to classical music now. Scheherazade fit him so perfectly. And I was so happy for Frank Carroll.
@@primalcritters I saw that too. Still love Evan’s. I think Nathan Chen and Jason Brown this year did outstanding and have some of the best programs I’ve seen.
@Jennifer Peterson Carney interesting. You must have a different style. I respect your choices obviously but I don't think anyone has surpassed Alexei yagudin's masterpieces. Evgeni plushenko also have some great performances
His 2006 long program was inspirational. He’d done so poorly in the short program due to illness, had no chance of meddling and gave a passionate, dedicated performance.
Спустя 11 лет до сих пор не могу понять, как? Как с таким невыразительным катанием, с помарками, с каскадами с двойными и без четверных он смог выиграть у Плющенко?
А так,что чинуши наши не умеют отстаивать наших спортсменов. С ними часто несправедливо поступают А Женя великий,его имя помнят все, а этого пидерунгела даже и имя забыто уже
i dont speak russian or whatever that is but, plushenko did one quad triple and the rest were triple doubles with wonky axis and wonky landings, those effected his GOE and he lost barely by one point.
Эвану в короткой хорошо насыпали ГОЕ, хотя в ту пору ими не разбрасывались от слова совсем. Ещё один момент - в произвольной у него было 5 прыжковых во второй части программы (тогда их можно было делать сколько угодно - это после Загитовой в 18 только убрали), это всё идёт с надбавками. Несмотря на ошибки в двух из них, за счёт надбавок каких-то потерь и не было по сути. Плющенко во второй части прыгнул только 3 прыжка, из них один каскад. И да, двойные были и у Жени тоже. Ну, и в те времена всё ещё было нежелательно ошибаться, а Женя сделал это на 3А - потерял около балла, это в его случае существенно. Пожалуй, самый непопулярный Олимпийский чемпион этого века. У женщин такая судьба у Сотниковой. Всё-таки когда судьи несправедливо натягивают на золото, это сказывается на отношении публики.
Cause that day, he was better than Plushenko. Just because you are Russian, you need to wake up to reality. And I am a Plushenko fan. Everything this guy did was well done, he was artistical and he totally deserved it! Plushenko's performance lacked artistical elements and his jumps were not great.
I've never watched a skater and had chills from start-to-finish. This has got to be one of the most emotionally intensive performances I've ever seen. Plushenko is an incredible performer as well, but Lysacek's artistic impression truly was out-of-this-world, and his athleticism was nothing to scoff at either. His jumps were flawless, but his footwork was earth-moving. Skating should be more than just nailing a quad.
Curious how a skating performance can be this frantic yet still be so slow, glideless and leaden. And flailing one's over-choreographed arms about,to me, is not "artistry..or SKATING for that matter.. And before anyone accuses me of fangirl "sour grapes"....I hated Plushenko too.
Cement shoes, definitely. Horrible routine... athletic, determined skater but... well, is that what an Olympic gold is about? To have come from the Plush/Yagudin revolution... and then reward this overwrought flail-fest... I guess its not different from snowboarding.
I criticized this for years as not as good as pleshenko, but the jumps might not be as good but the in-between skating makes pleshenko look like a toddler, so yeah, the right guy won under the current rules.
I remember watching it then and thinking he has a nice program but looks kind of slow now and his jumps are really not that powerful. Maybe Plushenko did have a point
Men’s figure skating kind of regressed here since Alexei Yagudin has been doing quads in the 90s and his footwork is still the gold standard in programs like “Winter” and “Racing”
It’s interesting that you should say that - I just rewatched the men’s free skate for the first time since the Olympics, and a few things struck me: Evan had much better speed than Plushenko, and there was more tension and drama in his performance than Plushenko demonstrated. I also thought Evan’s skating was more precise and detailed - for instance, his spins were difficult and he stayed in one place while spinning, which is difficult to do. I found Plushenko’s skating a bit sloppy, particularly when he wasn’t jumping. I certainly cannot say that Evgeny stayed too long at the party - he got the silver medal here, after all - but I think the 12 surgeries were definitely catching up with him, leading him to drop out of the 2016 games. Certainly Evgeny is a legendary skater and deserving of the accolades he has gotten, but I think the right skater won this contest.
I don’t think quads should define a performance... the man CAN do quads but he had to mind a past injury and had to play his cards right. And it meant he gave more time for artistry which I think is sorely underrated and kinda missing now... skating is as much art as it is sports. I always appreciated that balance in Evan’s performances.
As much as I enjoy Plushenko's artistry, I don't agree with him that just because he has a quad that he should be miles ahead of other skaters. A quad toe is valued 9.50 compared to a triple axel's 8.00, a quad salchow is 9.70. Considering how Evan put his 2nd triple axel in the 2nd half of the program, the 1.50 margin reduces to 0.70
@@tatianamokienko это правда. Лично мне понравились его программа и выступление ещё тогда. Я смотрю соревнования и болею вне зависимости от страны. Даже скажу, что когда наши не участвуют, любой турнир смотреть интереснее, в том числе потому, что комментаторы и журналисты в этих случаях бывают гораздо объективнее. Особенно это актуально для футбола (ненавижу, когда наши деревья попадают в финальные стадии турниров, слава богу, это случается редко)). Кстати, у Плюща, на мой вкус, всегда были оч посредственные программы, в т.ч. унылая музыка и безвкусные костюмы. В отличие, например, от Ягудина. Но это так, к слову.
Lin Train я сама не смотрю с нашими комментаторами, но в данном случае это ничего не меняет как бы даже не относиться к Плющу. Лайсачеку до него как до звезды
Hahaha your comment was hilarious. Skating back then was so much more artistic and full of raw talent than what it is today. aside from Hanyu and Nathan Chen, everyone pales in comparison to skaters like Evan, Michelle Kwan, Johnny weir, and Sasha Cohen. Evan’s artistic talent was what set him apart from Evgeni Plushenko - hence, why Evan took the gold. Idk what you were watching, but it wasn’t what everyone else was watching haha
Not sure what you watched, but it obviously you are legally blind or mentally challenged. EP's performance was not even worthy of 2nd place, he was a has been and should have stayed retired.
Looking back, he got 82 for Components, and this was a BEAUTIFUL program, skated AT the Olympics, when scores are generally higher. This week at Four Continents, Yuzu gets 94 Program Components, and Nathan Chen gets 88. LOL. Lysacek gets 82. The program component scores have just gotten out of control for the top men -- basically everyone gets 9-9.25 now average. So it's all about the technical.
XD Any of this boys today make better transitions and footwork than he did. Come'n it's not all about a great designer costume, histerical arms and winning faces... really overrated
이동찬 well Nathan does a 4lutz and 4flip. Nathan is starting out with a higher base value and any additions and subtractions start from there. Hanyu makes up for it with the intricate in between, but Nathan is starting at a higher number.
sirmione905 1 quad is not worth more than a triple-triple. Plushenko frontloaded his program while Evan backloaded his (10% bonus). Evan's program had higher base values than plushenko's. So evan won.Simple maths.
Actually in 2010 a lot less male skaters attempted quads than in 2006. The way the scoring works its not always in the skater's best interest to do a quad. Now in 2018 you can't win without one but in 2010 you could - and here you see it. Also, the quad is not the be-all end-all of figure skating. Besides certain people like Yuzuru Hanyu, who is some sort of machine from another planet, they're often extremely difficult to control and therefore look sort of ugly. I think this skate had amazing artistry, amazing footwork, extension and the jumps were all extremely well executed (except one where he was a little forward on the landing, but still it was a solid enough landing). The most impressive jump to watch, to me, is a triple axel. He had them here in spades.
The scoring system was different in 2010 where quads were not given as many points, making it possible to win without a quad if the GEOs were good and PCS scores. Plushenko had worse GEOs. I did have an issue with Lysachek's PCS as i find his program boring compared to others and question if this performance warrented some of the PCS scores he received.
The only problem I have with Lycacek is that both his triple axels were cheated on the entrance (his left foot was already backwards before it left the ice). Had the judges been fair, he should have been severely penalised for them.
Had the judges been fair Plushenko would have been down 15 points on components due to his sub-novice level choreography and lack of transitions but all you butt hurt Plushenko fans always overlook that part. Crossovers are NOT transitions.
When a skater performs an axel jump, certain amount of pre-rotation (about half rotation) is inevitable. His pre-rotation is acceptable, considering that Olympics games are less strict with skaters compared to other competitions. Even in ladies single, Asada Mao also got her 2 triple axels accepted in FS, though some commentators pinpointed that she lacked rotations and made slight two-foot landings. Including Evan and Plushenko, every players got more points than usual in Vancouver 2010! Evan did not have quads, but his technical points are already ahead of Plushenko. He backloaded his jumps and he had combination of 3 - 3. Except for one jump, his landings were soft and clean compared to Plushenko's hard landings. Good landing is the major element for GOE. Evan performed jumps between plentiful amount of transitions. Also he earned as high level as he could in spins and step sequences. Figure skating is not a jump competition. A difference of single quad jump can always be complemented by other elements.
@@네로-b2q Amen. Evan had one wonky landing compared to Plushenko's most landings other than 3. A quad toe is valued at 9.50, and 8.00 for a triple axel, so the margin really isn't as big as people may think it is. Considering how Evan put his 2nd triple axel is the 10% bonus region, the margin now reduces from 1.50 to 0.70 (9.50 v 8.80x). Even if Plushenko did a quad salchow, it is still only valued 0.20 more than the quad toe, so in order for him to be "at least 5 points ahead of everyone after the short" like he said he should've been, he would've needed to do a least a quad loop
@@damianlee5438 SMH You don't need to be a "Plushenko fan" to advocate for fairer judging. I actually wanted Lysacek to win that night primarily because of his connection to Frank Carroll. I personally couldn't care less about Plushenko. Let judges do their job correctly.
This was an incredible moment for me. I wasn't too impressed with some of the skaters early in the Olympics, but a few managed to pique my interest. To me, Evan was a champ. I'm happy he won, he deserved it. I'm sure others believe differently, but we don't need any negativity. Evan, wonderful job!
This was the much more complete program on this night. Transitions everywhere, great choreography, cleaner jumps, musicality... Why it's even up for debate is beyond me.
Да, он откатался хорошо, но это не первое место. Технически набор элементов не сложный совсем, артистизм тоже не на высшую ступень пьедестала. Жаль, что судьи были не объективны совсем. А руками махать и радоваться после проката-это каждый сможет. Главное видимость создать, что все получилось, а получилось далеко не все.
На той Олимпиаде все делали ошибки в произвольной. Как ни странно, но чище всего был Плющенко, ещё и с квадом (+квад в КП). Эвана очевидно натянули на золото. Так же очевидно, как 4 года спустя лишили потом победы Ким в пользу Сотниковой. Надеюсь, что когда-нибудь фигурное катание будут судить по-настоящему объективно, насколько это возможно в этом виде спорта.
Maybe the judges got lost in the theatrics-I know I did. I wanted him to win gold back in 2010. He reminded me of Alexei Yagudin...but watching this again it’s not as powerful as I remembered it to be.
This is the first time I've watched it since 2010... its even worse than I remembered. And yeah... the momentum of an American gold etc etc… sledgehammer. Hideous footwork, bobbing head, inelegant, no subtlety, no mix of rhythm... God, what a ghastly gold medallist. History will not be kind.
@@GuerillaCatty73 But you know what? Plushenko's program wasn't any better. I'm not a big fan of either of them, and honestly both programs were highly disappointing for Olympic medalists
. Even with errors, Plushenko's artistry shines and it's riveting.. And I wish Lycasek, so clearly talented, had that same spark. For whatever reason, it wasn't mesmerizing.
@@runner8632 ну и где этот ваш Эван сейчас? Сравнивать его с Плющенко бесполезно, Эван и половины не смог достичь, чего достиг Плющенко, ваш Эван в жизни бы не смог сделать такую дорожку шагов как у Евгения Плющенко, у Плющенко прекрасная хореография
PLushenko is the real winner! how on Earth Lysacek could win without 4ds jumps? the judges drowned Plushenko deliberately and it's very obvious. SHAME!!!
If you slow the programme down around 3.36 you can see he turns (skids) a full half turn before leaving the ice on the second triple axel. He's therefore basically doing a triple salchow.
Man, I remember watching his performances that year and being absolutely mesmerized 😃 he’s my favorite skater, it’s a shame he had to stop skating shortly after. I had been looking forward to seeing him the next winter Olympic at I think Sochi? Anyway it’s a beautiful program :)
I doubt very much that he would have even made the final group in Sochi. Gotta consider Hanyu and Chan were the big dogs at the time. There is absolutely no way that you can medal any longer without at least one quad in the short and two or more in the long. Evan couldn't even do a quad. His artistic is lacking as well. He would just flail those long skinny arms around in the air and call it good. For me, that isn't artistic interpretation. He had one great season. Other than that, he's pretty much a forgotten champion.
@@triciajohansen3027 I don't have a super bowl ring either, but it doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to have an opinion about football. He got lucky that he peaked at just the right moment and at a time when the competition had weakened temporarily. That was my point in a nutshell. He's a very nice person though.
@@jm7804 truce, obviously the judges saw something in Evan that Plushenko didn't have. Plushenko had a gold medal from 2006, it is just nice to see a new face win. You are right, you have the right to an opinion of your own. My apologies.
He was good but he doesn't have the same expression as Evgeni plushenko. I'll admit, the mistakes on the jumps that Plushenko made in 2010 did cost him the gold, but his performance in it of itself deserves the gold. Plushenko and Alexei yagudin in particular is the best male skater That Ever Walked the Earth hands down. If you haven't seen his other work look it up. For Americans, Johnny Weir is probably the best competition for plushenko. Weir is extremely talented and expressive as well and was trained by Russian coaches. I would point you to Alexei yagudin 2002 Olympics short and long program. Perfection masterful everything never been surpassed
а-ха-ха! Прямая осанка, отточенные движения, пластичность, музыкальность, практически безупречное катание, интересная хорошо сделанная программа... Не умеете вы проигрывать, вечно как бабы базарные
@@AMIR10345 прекрасно дотянул до золотой. Прекрасно откатал, хватит уже идти на поводу скулящего ЖП. Как показала практика, без квадов прекрасно можно выигрывать.
A quad jump is not everything. On top of that, Evgeny did only 1 quad for each program which was a quad toe. Not worth that much. At the end, the one who utilised every bonus point got gold-Evan.
ESPN Olympic Channel has been re running all of the Olympic Ice Skating from 2002 thru 2014...watching the 2010 men's skating again, Evan still wins it...he knew where to put his points, and he delivered...no question at all...watch Plushenko"s arms flailing after the jumps...that is where he lost..all jumps..
He is average Weir looked much better.nothing to say about Evan. empty very average.never watched anything else of his skating and not regretting it. sure would not miss anything
Очень тяжело дается когда му дорожка шагов, такое ощущение что на дворе не 2010 год , а 1995 год . Слабенько, нет мурашек и нет огня !!! Плющенко конечно уже был не тот , как в 2001 по 2006 год , но у великого Плющенко сложнее
I've been watching skating for long time. This was the least impressive mens skate. NO Quad. Thats the next level of skating in this era. Alexi Yagudin did 2 quads in 2002
Honestly, I don't understand the commentators talking about this amazing choreography. It wasn't. He is not a beautiful skater to watch. The performance was simply dull. The outfit was bad. The 3A-2T combo was bad. Honestly, Plushenko wasn't a beautiful skater, but neither was Evan. I honestly think after the short, Takahashi should have been ahead by a few points (and if he was after the short, maybe he would not have attempted the quad if he knew he didn't have to. And even with the fall, his PCS should be lightyears ahead of evan's). And I like Sandra's typical commentary. Takahashi and Lambiel were the ones with the true PCS. And Weir, say what you may about transitions, but his choreography and performance were so much better than Lysacek. Evan had some good jumps (lower tech. but good), good spins, but I did not find this performance enjoyable. Even plushenko, whose spins I don't like, had a better performance and interpretation of the music.
I agree with most of what you're saying except--choreography. His choreography was very detailed and intricate. If you only watch his feet, he's a champion. He's not very nice to watch because of the shape of his body and body positions. Midori Ito had a similar issue. But the basics of skating are about what your blades do on the ice. He did that well in my opinion. In think he would have won a little more convincingly if he had a better axel.
This is the only indication that you dont need to do squad and push your self to get the gold. I was inspired by this. For all the time i was thinking that you need to have a quad you to win gold. I was wrong
@@bone9jdjkaye ,sorry ,but just for U- From this time distance ,Lysachek's skating looks like a slow drawing on ice. Plushenko will stay remembered with his epic unforgettable performances like "Nijinsky" ;"Once upon a time.." ;Godfather";Roxanne tango" "Tango amore" ....are ,no doubt !
I remembered this program as being like a lead weight. It still is. The 2000s of US men's skating were a polarizing era of either feminine disco glam (Johnny Weir, Rohene Ward) or closet-case bores (Tim Goebel, Evan Lysacek, Matt Lavoie) who looked like they never had fun in their entire lives. I never noticed the cheated axel entrances (seriously?) or how much he flailed his arms. That... that isn't choreography, but it sure looked like it in 2010. The only reason why he won this medal is because the judges knew Plushenko would have had an ego the size of Mother Russia and likely would have tried to run the ISU if he were allowed to repeat as Olympic champ (remember him announcing his "Platinum" silver medal?).
I'm with ya! I watched it at the time... you can see this ugly, milked, busy type of routine set the tone for what is happening today. Boring, athletic skater - how to compete against the talented? This is the result. He looks a dork, even more so seeing it again than at the time. Just a bloke who found himself in a lot of lycra on a rink... the faux artistry is the most offensive thing about it. Where men's skating now is, this type of routine, they need to ditch the costumes, the "storyline" and just make them go out and jump, lots, and not lose a second to add a flounce, flourish or pose with a trick added. Its mechanical... kudos to him, he did the work, etc, but the politics around that Olympics - so thick it travelled across oceans of time through the broadcast. You think it was to nullify Evgeni's greatness post retirement, eh? Wouldn't put it past them. (And toe pick on the first axel? Spray of ice should have been a hint to the judges...) I was outraged at the time, I've never watched a WO since, never will, sod them, and if they couldn't understand that these medals set up the legacy and future of your sport... but you can see the judges prefer this kind of skate. Its bringing it down to did/didn't land, did/didn't do X elements, easy peasy. Currently, that is what we are looking at. Who can land it, who can't... then that's the order of the results. Boring. So boring. I'd put it on pause to write this comment (attention wandering, thought I'd check out the comments - that tells you everything, doesn't it?) and just restarted it... God, that was one ugly routine, one boring skater, not a rounded angle in his entire body. Add "artistry", forget "artistry", add "artistry" and on it goes. Multiple personality disorder skating. And no, even in 2010 this wasn't choreography. The world was divided, saw it for the point milking snore fest it was... The commentators confirm everyone's feelings - technically sharp, delivered, blah blah… but not a patch on EP as a performer, as a skater, as an artist. They are resigned.
I mean it was better than plushenkos program both in technique and presentation, even though Evans axel sucks, everything else was 'fine'. And I use 'fine' because it wasn't a performance you would expect from a gold medalist, but it was a tad better than evgeni.
Позор судейству, ну, видно же всем, Что Плющенко лучше, выше на пару голов, но нет, они его засуживают, и даже по его лицу видно, что он наперед знал, что засудят....
It might not have had a quad - but he still deserved to win under this system and it is not fair to criticize him for not having any. This scoring system was a game-changer for the sport - it introduced a strategy element that did not really exist prior. He and his coach clearly decided that the quad was not worth the risk and it had been detrimental to his health to keep attempting it. Plushenko is a great skater, one of the best ever - but he did not deserve to beat this program with his performance.
He hits all technical aspects but the artistry is less. His american mate Weir has it more. But not just Johnny Weir, even Evgeni Plushenko was robbed in this
Agree, his 3 Axel is kind of UR, but he made little better transition than others, and put two combo in second half to gain more points..... somehow, I enjoy Plushenko and Johnny Weir programme much more.. Now so fair for Johmny honestly
@@stevebbuk totally agree, I get bored of watchi g Evan's programme. Even I fill such transition.is kind of fake, same posture all the time, and not natural. Just to use the posture to gain point of transition..... Well and he does not contrbute anything to figure skating after that, not like Johmmy or Plushenko. He works in real estate now I sae the news.... Well, I love figure skating, but really really disappointed with the judges....
Frank Caroll sensed how very nervous he was. Right after Sandra Bezic says, he hasnt been bending his knees, his shoulders are up (also nerves) Evan skates over to the boards and tries to tie his laces again, a sure sign of nerves, he tells him twice "Dont tie your laces." Very aggressively. He set him straight and sent him to skate. He was ready.
Лично Всегда Счтитала и Считаю что в Ванкувере Реально - НАГЛЫМ ОБРАЗОМ УКРАЛИ ЗОЛОТО у ЕВГЕНИЯ ПЛЮЩЕНКО.Факт! И никакими доводами меня никто не убедит, что Лайсачек ОЧ??? Точка. А вот- ЕВГЕНИЙ ПЛЮЩЕНКО ОЛИМПИЙСКИЙ ЧЕМПИОН! И -Это Доказывает ещё - ТО, что когда в 2015 г - Проводились Соревнования на Уровне ИСУ Среди Проффессионалов ЕВГЕНИЙ ПЛЮЩЕНКО ВЫИГРАЛ ЗОЛОТО! А Лайсачек Проиграл и Оказался на 5 месте..Факт! ЕВГЕНИЙ ПЛЮЩЕНКО - Единственный Фигурист Обладатель -4х Олимпийских Медалей! Наш ПЛЮЩЕНКО Самый Титулованный Фигурист Страны и в Мире! ГОРЖУСЬ НАШЕМ - ЕВГЕНИЕМ ПЛЮЩЕНКО - БЫЛ КОРОЛЬ и ОСТАЁТСЯ КОРОЛЁМ ФИГУРНОГО КАТАНИЯ! ПЛЮЩЕНКО -СУПЕРТАЛАНТ ЕГО КРАСИВОЕ НЕПРЕВЗОЙДЁННОЕ ИСКУССТВО КАТАНИЯ - ЭТО НЕЗАБЫВАЕМЫЙ ЭМОЦИИ НАВСЕГДА!! РЕСПЕКТ и УВАЖЕНИЕ ПЛЮЩЕНКО ВЕЛИКОМУ 2-х КРАТНОМУ ОЛИМПИЙСКОМУ ЧЕМПИОНУ! СПАСИБО ПЛЮЩЕНКО за Все Многочисленные ПОБЕДЫ и ДОСТИЖЕНИЯ! Дай БОГ ЗДОРОВЬЯ ПЛЮЩЕНКО ! УСПЕХОВ и УДАЧИ на ТРЕНЕРСКОМ ПУТИ!!
а-ха-ха! Сам у себя Плющенко украл золото, кататься нужно было лучше и готовиться. Ошибки в исполнении, нудная программа, кривляния и воздушные поцелуи
Camelia P He’s 6’2”. So with the blades like 6’3”. Most male figure skaters top out at like 5’10” in the singles discipline. So yeah, he is abnormally tall.
ляйсачек тяжёлый фигурист такое впечатление что он еле еле себя таскает по льду! аж тяжело смотреть на него! Россиянин Плющенко рядом с ним как бабочка Гениален Евгений! Но что делать? надо шоб американец победил да без четверных ! позорище
Evan didn't need a quad..by adding more jumps an spins in the last part of his program, he received more credits....they said his triple axle,double toe loop was worth 8.5, and Evegini's quad was worth 8.8...
Sammy Smith meanwhile in 2018, skaters are doing the quad lutz, and have their eyes set on the quad axel, while the ladies have taken over doing triples. We're talking about 8+ points here, but now it's 14+ with one jump. How far we've come...
People forget that as good as Plushenko was, he had a tendency to put his most difficult elements in the front of his programs. Both of his axel passes were in the first 2 mins of the program. Evegeni left a lot of points on the table by doing that.
i don't look forward to re-watching this Olympic gold medal skate compared to past champions. Neither Evan nor Plushenko skated to gold imo. Evan's axel has the most skid i've ever seen. It looks like his left skate turns 1/2 rotation and then he leaves the ice.
Totally agree. neither should have won. Plushenko can jump but not skate, while Evan can skate but not jump. Evan probably won because Plushy didn't do what he does best: jump well
I was just thinking that you don’t see nearly as many shorter men’s skaters than you used to - good examples being Scott Hamilton and Paul Wylie. I wonder if that is because the quad has become almost a necessity to win, and it might be more difficult for a shorter individual to get the height needed to complete 4 rotations? I’m just guessing on that, but perhaps someone on here more involved in skating could opine as to whether that is true.
@@jenniferbobic8005 Yes, you are very much correct. In general: the shorter you are, the lighter you are, the less power you need to get up in the air-and the less weight you put on your leg while landing. so it is much more difficult for a tall skater such as Lysacek to do triples and quads, because he needs to lift additional pounds of his height someone like Hanyu or Chen don't have. when landing a quad, they land it with 7x their body mass, this makes tall skaters more prone to get injured, simply because they are heavier. also, they have a higher center of gravity which makes it basically easier to get off the axis and fall, and lose control over spins. and at the very end, controlling long arms and legs can be troublesome too.
This gold medal is somewhat not that convincing especially technically. 2000's is quar ero but he has no quar. It is a backwood gold medal. 8 years ago, in 2002 the quar is already performanced by both gold and silver madelist. This is really a backwards performance.
Yo era fans, fans de Plushenko y me sigue gustando. Pero un día allá por 2017 dije voy ha ver a este niño que ganó en Sochi ( no sé porque me resistía a ello y siempre lo pasaba por alto ) y bueno lo vi y desde entonces cambio todo , para mí ,. Lo dijo Plushenko hay un antes y un después se Yusuru. Este chico que ganó en Vancouver no lo volvía a ver no sé que le pasó. Además la vigencia del japonés !!!! ( casi 10 años !!!!) Increíble. También me enamora la versión del hombre de la máscara de hierro por el ruso ( no sé escribir bien el apellido ).
A mí siempre me gustaron los rusos. Plushenko muy innovador, pero Yagudin le dió la lucha, no se la puso fácil. Y Yagudin en la temporada olímpica de SLC tuvo los mejores programas de su vida deportiva, con su programa corto me quedé enganchada con él!! (Winter) Jajaja.. hasta hoy lo disfruto, para mí es insuperable!! Y aquí en Vancouver definitivamente debió ganar Evan L. Su programa largo aún sin cuádruple fue el mejor! Bien hecho su coreo con componentes bien repartidos y la postura de sus saltos son excelentes en el aire, Plushenko se preparó aquí solo un año antes, por eso sus errores (muy confiado). Moraleja: Nunca se debe subestimar al competidor 😉
Ποιος θυμαται πια αυτον τον αθλητη;Αν οι αγωνες δεν ειχαν γινει στην πατριδα του δεν θα κερδιζε ουτε το χαλκινο μεταλλιο.Ο Πλουσενκο επρεπε να κερδισει.Ολοι το ξερουμε αυτο
It's not difficult to understand. His program had a higher base value than Plushenko because it was more difficult, even without the quad. He also was the first skater under the COP to be smart enough to backload his program with more difficult elements after the halfway mark to earn the 10% bonus on each one. (Now everyone is doing it.) He skated flawlessly in both programs with zero deductions. While he was basically tied with Plushenko on the artistic mark (I believe only 1/10 separated them artistically), Lysacek beat Plushenko on the technical mark because his program was more difficult and thus, earned more total points. It's basic addition. Because he beat Plushenko on the technical mark overall, it can't be argued, like some skaters who get huge PCS padding, that this was a subjective victory. It wasn't. They were tied artistically, and Evan won by being the smarter and better skater that night. It must also be remembered that Plushenko only did ONE quad in each program. Back in those days, the men were only doing one quad in each program. Even in 2014, Hanyu and Chan attempted just two quads in the LP but only completed ONE cleanly each. It wasn't until AFTER 2014 that the guys started doing 4+ quads in a LP. So, it wasn't difficult in 2010 to defeat a skater who only had one quad in his program, even if the challenger didn't. A quad toe loop that Plushenko did is only worth 10.3 points. By comparison, a triple axle, triple toe is worth 12.8, and I believe Lysacek had two triple, triples plus higher levels on his footwork and much better / more difficult transitions. It's a numbers game, and it all added up for Lysacek because he put two difficult and smart programs together that he skated flawlessly with no deductions. Plushenko, we must remember, had retired after the 2006 games. He had not skated competitively in 3.5 years since winning his gold in Torino. In fact, when he decided to make a comeback, the ONLY competition he'd skated in prior to the Vancouver games was Russian nationals. That's it. I don't care how talented someone is. If you don't use it, you lose it. How did he think he could come back after NOT skating competitively for nearly 4 years and be in shape for the Olympics just two months later? Watch his LP from 2006 and then compare it to 2010. The quality of his performance is markedly different. He's clearly out of shape. His jumps are very tilted in the air with wildly shaky landings. He's lucky he didn't fall at least twice. He's also known for putting all his difficulty up front and coasting through the last 1-2 minutes of the program, but this forfeits the 10% bonus he'd have gotten on doing later elements. Bottom line: he was way out of shape and had planned his programs poorly. FYI: Evan's gold is NOT the first time a skater with no quad defeated a defending champion who landed one in each program. Two years BEFORE Vancouver at Worlds 2008, Canada's Jeffrey Buttle defeated France's Brian Joubert, who landed two qads but with other errors, while Buttle with no quads had two incredible skates. Watch it. Buttle is amazing and deserved his gold, too. It should also be noted that in Sochi 2014, the top 3 medal winners fell on or fell out of 6 jumps between them in the LP! If we count the SP, as well as downgraded jumps, the medal winners missed 9 jumps over all with Hanyu missing two in his LP. That's unheard of in Olympic competition. Watching the splat-fest that was the men's competition in Sochi, I wondered how many of them would have preferred to have Evan's triumphant program instead of their error riddled mess.
oofahman: Thanks. It's because there is no legitimate argument against Evan's rightful victory, and the snarky people who resent it know that. I love the fact that both skaters were virtually tied on the artistic mark (which is absurd, considering Plushenko's limitations) and that Evan won fair and square on technical points. Because of that, no one can argue that his win was a matter of preference among the judges. It also should be noted that the judges gave Evan no love in the +GOEs or PCS (as they should have), nor did they penalize Plushenko with -GOEs for his wildly crooked jumps and shaky landings (as they should have). In the end, Evan won on base points alone. He earned that victory all by himself with no padding from the judges, and that's why his victory is one of the greatest men's figure skating wins in Olympic history for me, right up there with Brian Boitano's in 1988.
He really was if you know his coach he made his skaters run through their entire program every practice. He’s one of the reasons Michelle Kwan was so consistent.
indudablemente una rutina impecable, sin embargo Plushenko tenia el favor del publico, el verdadero idolo fue Plushenko, su rutina fue mas impactante, era un verdadero interprete del patinaje, transmitia con cada parte de su cuerpo, por supuesto su rutina impresionante, en fin el no gano el oro, asi las cosas...
What is harder technically, a quad toe or triple axel (i know which one has more points, but I can see a triple axel being harder to learn than a quad toe)?
Only the skaters can answer 😂 But really tho, 2021 and it’s still a fact that many aren’t consistent with their 3 axel~ and yet they’d rather focus on learning quads first than perfecting the 3A. Poor 3a 😂
As a previous skater I would imagine that a triple axel is harder. A triple axel is three and half rotations. It's hard to control that half turn, and axels require a lot of power and strength.
What Plushenko fans fail to notice is that Russian single skaters didn't seem to understand positions, extension and polish until just a few years ago. Yet somehow under-rotating and ugly skating by Irina Slutskaya and unpolished, over-indulgent, ugly positions Plushenko still managed to win titles and be over scored. Yet the fans complain and complain. Positions. Extension. Polish. Its what makes skating beautiful and makes the whole program so much more difficult.
Watching this again, I loved Evan's skate. BUT: Sandra Bezic, you are SO hypocritical. She goes out of her way to say when Plushenko is skating that Plushy "has a full minute left in this program and there are no more jumps planned. That's what Scott means by 'front loading'". But look at EVAN'S skate, Sandra! What did he have in his last minute and 15 seconds -- NO JUMPS. She's dogging Plushenko for front loading and having no jumps left in the last 60 seconds, but Evan did it too! This is why commentators lose credibility. I agree Evan should have won -- but let's call a spade a spade, Sandra.
Brent's Lucky Slot Channel Actually Evan had the 3flip combo, 3 lutz, and 2axel in the final minute of the program. Pluscenko did not do a jump for the last 1:30.
It's not difficult to understand how Lysacek won. 1. Lysace's programs were more technically difficult than Plushenko's, even without the quad. Lysacek was the first skater smart enough to backload his programs and bank up the extra 10% on a lot of elements. Now, everyone is doing it! Traditionally, Plushenko put all his heavy tech elements up front and just coasted through the last 1.5-2 minutes of his program. Because Lysack's base value was higher in both programs, and he skated flawlessly with zero deductions, he beat Plushenko on the technical mark, even without the quad. They were essentially tied on PCS with Plushenko only having a 0.1 advantage there. So, no one can say Lysacek's victory was a subjective one or that Plushenko was "robbed". He wasn't. Mandatory base points and the extra 10% add up, and they did just that for Lysacek. 2. Eight years ago, the guys who were able (and there weren't many) were mostly doing one quad in each program. In those days, it wasn't difficult for a challenger who skated flawlessly with zero deductions and no quads to defeat a defending champion who landed a couple quads but with other mistakes. At that time, the quad toe Plushenko was doing was only worth 10.3 points, while a triple-axle, triple-toe was worth 12.8 points, and Lysacek had a 3A+3T and a 3L+3T in his LP. He also got higher levels on his footwork and other elements. 3. Plushenko was seriously out of shape. It must be remembered that after winning gold in Torino, Plushenko went into semi-retirement. Between 2006 and 2010, he didn't skate in a single competition. In fact, the ONLY competition he skated in prior to the 2010 games was Russian Nationals. Now, I don't care how talented someone is--if you don't use it, you're going to lose it. How could Plushenko think he could come back after four years of not skating competitively and walk right into the Olympic games?! His lack of conditioning showed. His jumps were very crooked in the air with wild landings and a wide swinging leg on one. A couple of times, only his muscle memory kept him from falling. To all those who don't know how to add up base points and understand why Lysacek won, I say, "Go back and compare Plushenko's LP's from Torino and Vancouver. His performance and conditioning is markedly decreased in 2010." Even so, the judges did NOT hit Plushenko with the -GOEs he deserved, while at the same time, they showed Lysacek almost no +GOE love that he should have earned. In the end, Lysacek won that gold all by himself with no help from the judges either in +GOEs or PCS. He won it basically on base points alone, and he totally deserved it. 4. Plushenko knew he hadn't done enough to win. I always tell people who bitch about Lysacek's win to watch Plushenko's Vancouver LP and pause the video after the camera gets a close-up on him with his arms over his head during the applause. You can tell by the worried expression on his face he KNEW what he laid down wasn't enough to win, even with the quad...and yet, he somehow still expected it. Such an entitled narcissist. 5. Lysacek's gold also is NOT the first time a skater with no quad defeated a defending champion who landed one in each program. Two years BEFORE Vancouver at Worlds 2008, Canada's Jeffrey Buttle defeated France's Brian Joubert, who landed two quads but with other errors, while Buttle with no quads had two incredible skates. Watch it. Buttle is amazing and deserved his gold, too. Yet somehow, certain people lost their minds when Lysacek won gold in Vancouver. The bottom line is that Plushenko seriously underestimated the competition and overestimated his capability after four years off going into the 2010 games. He thought he could sail right in there and walk away with the gold like 2006. He expected his reputation and not his actual performance to do the heavy lifting for him, but he wasn't counting on a better and smarter skater with a strategically planned program skated flawlessly defeating him that night. His ego got the best of him. Even in Sochi four years later, the top guys were still only doing one quad in the SP and just two quads in the LP. That's it. Men's skating didn't become quad heavy until Nathan Chen hit the scene in 2016-17 and forced all the guys to try and keep up with him. Now, you simply can't win without two quads in the SP and at least 4-5 in the LP...but back in 2010, it was a VERY different story.
I just want to correct you on your first point, both of Lysacek's programs had a lower technical base value than Plushenko's. SP: P - 44.10 L - 40.00 FS P - 75.03 L - 74.93 Very little difference in the long program as you can see, and yes it was very smart of Lysacek to backload his program as this closed the gap between their base values. I'll never understand why Plushenko did 5 of his jumping passes before the half-way point. I don't disagree with anything else you said and tbh nobody really won this Olympics for me, Lysacek's program was uninspired and Plushenko's was a mess, even if he managed to land everything. It was all about the Ladies' competition, seriously Yuna Kim would've won the men's free skate that year! XD Takahashi and Weir were my favourites from the men this year, too bad the former didn't land his quad, that would've easily made him the winner in my book.
MrSpaceRaptor: Plushenko put all his heavy stuff up front because that's the way he always skated. Even the NBC commentators made mention of it. He always ended up with about 1-1.5 minutes of time where he just skated around the rink making weird gesticulations at the end of his LP. In the end, he thought so highly of himself and so little of the other skaters, that he thought he could beat them even when he was completely out of shape. Now that's arrogance, and he paid for it. He's lucky he didn't get the big -GOEs that he really deserved. That shows how stacked the judges were in Plushenko's favor. Lysacek was flawless in everything he did and should have beaten Plushenko by a wider margin. Only his second triple axle in the LP was a bit pitched forward over the front of the skate, but that's it. Some of Plushenko's jumps were almost parallel to the ice in the air, as tilted as they were. Lysacek's LP remains one of my all-time favorites. Yes, there have been better programs, but not since the Battle of the Brians was there a bigger David and Goliath kind of battle, where the odds were so stacked against the challenger that all he could do was be prepared...and both Boitano and Lysacke pulled off two flawless Olympic programs to win. Amazing. Even Hanyu or Plushenko can't make that claim. Everyone wants a moment like Lipinski, Hughes or Boitano, and Lysacek pulled it off when it mattered. As much as I like Kim, the ladies competition was a foregone conclusion. I'm happy she won, but I felt it was more like a coronation than a competition. That pretty much sucked all the excitement out of it for me, especially after Mao fell in the SP. Even if she'd skated clean, there was no way Mao was winning that gold over two clean performances by Kim. It was the men's competition here that was the highlight and most suspenseful for me. With all due respect to Hanyu, I feel Takahashi is the best male skater Japan has produced. His passion and power were amazing. His programs always had flashes of brilliance. The problem was his inconsistency. That's all, but it hurt him throughout his career. Still he should have won 2012 worlds over Patrick Chan, but Chanflation was HUGE back then. I'm still torn between Takahashi winning bronze over Weir, who also skated flawlessly in both programs, just like Lysacek. Even Stojko later said he thought Weir deserved bronze. I realize his program was simpler, but I felt both skaters were great, but in completely different respects.
Jose Hill, dude go back and watch the skate. Evan did his last 2A at 4:25, and didn’t jump at all til the program ended at 5:45. Thats a full minute and 20 seconds of NO JUMPS. Again, I believe he should have one. I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Sandra by her railing on Plushenko by saying he had a “full minute left and no more jumps”. Which is EXACTLY what Evan did. I don’t know what program you’re watching, but Evan did not jump for the last one minute 20 seconds of his program.
Average skater. Average artistry, mediocre quality jumps, especialy the triple axel which is poor quality, no quad, good but not great spins, good but not great footwork, ok basics. Cant believe a skater like this could win the Olympics. It might have been deserved that night, although skaters like Takahashi and Lambiel where way underscored compared to Lysacek, even with their mistakes, but wow what an underwhelming skater to win the Olympics.
Лайсачеку надо было в баскетбол идти,а не в фигурное катание.Никакой грации и пластики,дерево-деревом.Судьям - позор! Ему никогда не сравниться с Плющенко! Ещё и под нашу музыку катался...фу...
the judges were criminals ! his jumps were not OK, especially 3 A heavily pre rotated on ice , he turned his blade!!!!!!!!!!! he didn't over performed Plushenko in components , so it's obvious that these criminals just took Evgeny Gold and gave it to Evan. shame !!! he is not to blame , of course
Lol you cannot do a triple axel without “prerotation”. It’s normal for a 3A to have about 1/4 a turn on the ice before getting totally airborne. Watch any other skater.
Oh please. Shut the fuck up. Plushenko and his ridiculous transition marks, anything over a 5 was fucking ridiculous. Was Plushenko an amazing jump technician? Yes. He just wasn't this night. Was Plushenko constantly propped up in components with inflated choreography and transitions marks? Yes he fucking was. Novice level men's skaters at the time were better than him in both in spades. He got better transition marks than Matt "Let's see how many difficult entrances I can do into all my triple jumps" Savoie. So don't you dare say SHIT about Plushenko being robbed when he was robbing dozens of skaters with better actual components but was always being propped up my the judges. And Matt Savoie deserves to have his Transitions marks given back to him. Fuck face.
Oh please, I’m a fan of Evgeny and I think Evan deserves to win the gold. Evgeny had quads, yes but at other elements, Evan was way better. He won it undoubtedly
I was more happy for Frank. I'm not one of those people who liked Evan because I'm American so I had to. Plushenko had that X factor that I never felt from Evan. Winning a gold medal at the olympics is a momentous accomplishment and he should be proud, but...meh. Plushenko was a star.
Okay, but can we please appreciate the fact that in a sport dominated by short people, a man that was 6”2 managed to snag Olympic gold?
#respect
🙌 YES!
No quad
He she compete with the girls
@@FrancoBarbagallo1 even in the women even this year proves you don't need mutiple quads to be competitive
@@jenniepeach6764 you don't if there are no quad-jumpers in the competitions.
@@FrancoBarbagallo1 actually, it was not that common even in 2010 to jump many quads. Nowadays with new score system Plushenko could win, I guess, because only last 3 jumps would get higher base value. Evan won because he had 5 jumps in second part of the program and Evgeny did only 3.
It's not difficult to understand how Lysacek won.
1. Lysace's programs were more technically difficult than Plushenko's, even without the quad. Lysacek was the first skater smart enough to backload his programs and bank up the extra 10% on a lot of elements. Now, everyone is doing it! Traditionally, Plushenko put all his heavy tech elements up front and just coasted through the last 1.5-2 minutes of his program. Because Lysack's base value was higher in both programs, and he skated flawlessly with zero deductions, he beat Plushenko on the technical mark, even without the quad. They were essentially tied on PCS with Plushenko only having a 0.1 advantage there. So, no one can say Lysacek's victory was a subjective one or that Plushenko was "robbed". He wasn't. Mandatory base points and the extra 10% add up, and they did just that for Lysacek.
2. Eight years ago, the guys who were able (and there weren't many) were mostly doing one quad in each program. In those days, it wasn't difficult for a challenger who skated flawlessly with zero deductions and no quads to defeat a defending champion who landed a couple quads but with other mistakes. At that time, the quad toe Plushenko was doing was only worth 10.3 points, while a triple-axle, triple-toe was worth 12.8 points, and Lysacek had a 3A+3T and a 3L+3T in his LP. He also got higher levels on his footwork and other elements.
3. Plushenko was seriously out of shape. It must be remembered that after winning gold in Torino, Plushenko went into semi-retirement. Between 2006 and 2010, he didn't skate in a single competition. In fact, the ONLY competition he skated in prior to the 2010 games was Russian Nationals. Now, I don't care how talented someone is--if you don't use it, you're going to lose it. How could Plushenko think he could come back after four years of not skating competitively and walk right into the Olympic games?! His lack of conditioning showed. His jumps were very crooked in the air with wild landings and a wide swinging leg on one. A couple of times, only his muscle memory kept him from falling. To all those who don't know how to add up base points and understand why Lysacek won, I say, "Go back and compare Plushenko's LP's from Torino and Vancouver. His performance and conditioning is markedly decreased in 2010." Even so, the judges did NOT hit Plushenko with the -GOEs he deserved, while at the same time, they showed Lysacek almost no +GOE love that he should have earned. In the end, Lysacek won that gold all by himself with no help from the judges either in +GOEs or PCS. He won it basically on base points alone, and he totally deserved it.
4. Plushenko knew he hadn't done enough to win. I always tell people who bitch about Lysacek's win to watch Plushenko's Vancouver LP and pause the video after the camera gets a close-up on him with his arms over his head during the applause. You can tell by the worried expression on his face he KNEW what he laid down wasn't enough to win, even with the quad...and yet, he somehow still expected it. Such an entitled narcissist.
5. Lysacek's gold also is NOT the first time a skater with no quad defeated a defending champion who landed one in each program. Two years BEFORE Vancouver at Worlds 2008, Canada's Jeffrey Buttle defeated France's Brian Joubert, who landed two quads but with other errors, while Buttle with no quads had two incredible skates. Watch it. Buttle is amazing and deserved his gold, too. Yet somehow, certain people lost their minds when Lysacek won gold in Vancouver. The bottom line is that Plushenko seriously underestimated the competition and overestimated his capability after four years off going into the 2010 games. He thought he could sail right in there and walk away with the gold like 2006. He expected his reputation and not his actual performance to do the heavy lifting for him, but he wasn't counting on a better and smarter skater with a strategically planned program skated flawlessly defeating him that night. His ego got the best of him.
Even in Sochi four years later, the top guys were still only doing one quad in the SP and just two quads in the LP. That's it. Men's skating didn't become quad heavy until Nathan Chen hit the scene in 2016-17 and forced all the guys to try and keep up with him. Now, you simply can't win without two quads in the SP and at least 4-5 in the LP...but back in 2010, it was a VERY different story.
I however, disagree that this was artistic. It was a boring program and he didnt connect with the music. I would have given Plushenko much higher performance, but I
think who got screwed most was Takahashi. Someone like Takahashi should have been first in the SP and with a much much stronger PCS. Looking at Takahashi sp and FS vs lysachek, Takahashi had so much stronger choreography and you can actually enjoy the performance and spins. I believe Weir's performance PCS marked was underscored. Also, Lysachek's 3A-2T was not flawless. I believe if the comp was judged fairly, daisuke would have had a lead in the sp, not felt like he needed a quad, and then would do a lp without one. But even with the fall, Daisuke's PCS should have been so much higher in the lp.
Also, it only had two more jumps in the 2nd half than Plushenko.
Just one thing...it was Jin Boyang who started the quad revolution in 2015! Nathan was in Juniors. Jin Boyang put 2 quads in the SP in Cup of China 2015
Evan has very good transitions into/out of his jumps.
lcowles ...thank you so much for this informaron. I was becoming sad of the negatives comments on the USA champion.
Then you have the strange thing of judges thinking EP's short programme ranked him something like 20th. His SP carried that... oddity. Oh, the computer, the computer... but what judge on earth ranked his SP as being that sub par? There were three of them. What is that? Who were they? What had they been smoking? So, no, not all cold, hard, facts... and this isn't skiing. There are never any cold, hard facts in figure skating. But they wanted it that way... and now that's what they have. And its zzzzzzzzz. And that leaden footwork... like a Giraffe with clogs on.
Plushenko merecía ganar. Le robaron la medalla, su performance incomparable y único. Plushenko, el rey sin corona de éstos juegos olímpicos.
You are right!
He didn't even deserve to be on the podium. News flash, flailing your arms around like you're trying to take flight is not choreography, mental note to yourself. In addition, EP jumps were completely off center, the landings, we're not clean, and his music was not what the judges prefer.
Evan was amazing. 6'2". Hard worker. Ppl doubted him. He won.
This still gives me goosebumps. He's such a lovely skater and this program was amazing. I miss skaters skating to classical music now. Scheherazade fit him so perfectly. And I was so happy for Frank Carroll.
If you think this is good you should look up Alexei yagudin 2002 Olympics both the short and free skate. Masterpieces never been surpassed
@@primalcritters I saw that too. Still love Evan’s. I think Nathan Chen and Jason Brown this year did outstanding and have some of the best programs I’ve seen.
@Jennifer Peterson Carney interesting. You must have a different style. I respect your choices obviously but I don't think anyone has surpassed Alexei yagudin's masterpieces. Evgeni plushenko also have some great performances
No se, a éstas alturas para mi el mejor sigue siendo Evgeny Plushenko.
Evgeniy is one and only!
His 2006 long program was inspirational. He’d done so poorly in the short program due to illness, had no chance of meddling and gave a passionate, dedicated performance.
Спустя 11 лет до сих пор не могу понять, как? Как с таким невыразительным катанием, с помарками, с каскадами с двойными и без четверных он смог выиграть у Плющенко?
А так,что чинуши наши не умеют отстаивать наших спортсменов. С ними часто несправедливо поступают
А Женя великий,его имя помнят все, а этого пидерунгела даже и имя забыто уже
i dont speak russian or whatever that is but, plushenko did one quad triple and the rest were triple doubles with wonky axis and wonky landings, those effected his GOE and he lost barely by one point.
Эвану в короткой хорошо насыпали ГОЕ, хотя в ту пору ими не разбрасывались от слова совсем. Ещё один момент - в произвольной у него было 5 прыжковых во второй части программы (тогда их можно было делать сколько угодно - это после Загитовой в 18 только убрали), это всё идёт с надбавками. Несмотря на ошибки в двух из них, за счёт надбавок каких-то потерь и не было по сути. Плющенко во второй части прыгнул только 3 прыжка, из них один каскад. И да, двойные были и у Жени тоже. Ну, и в те времена всё ещё было нежелательно ошибаться, а Женя сделал это на 3А - потерял около балла, это в его случае существенно.
Пожалуй, самый непопулярный Олимпийский чемпион этого века. У женщин такая судьба у Сотниковой. Всё-таки когда судьи несправедливо натягивают на золото, это сказывается на отношении публики.
Хорошо работал руками, как мельница
Cause that day, he was better than Plushenko. Just because you are Russian, you need to wake up to reality.
And I am a Plushenko fan.
Everything this guy did was well done, he was artistical and he totally deserved it! Plushenko's performance lacked artistical elements and his jumps were not great.
I've never watched a skater and had chills from start-to-finish. This has got to be one of the most emotionally intensive performances I've ever seen. Plushenko is an incredible performer as well, but Lysacek's artistic impression truly was out-of-this-world, and his athleticism was nothing to scoff at either. His jumps were flawless, but his footwork was earth-moving. Skating should be more than just nailing a quad.
No one ever brings him up when talking about the best male skaters. He was awesome
He was so consistent that entire year.
Because he is not a man skater
No quad
@@FrancoBarbagallo1 Evan had 4T, but was injured at the time of Olympics and decided not to perform it
I think no one brings him up... because there's nothing particularly interesting about Evan's skating. He was fine.
I get this was 10 years ago, but Kostornaia would've taken this men's event if her current self was there.
You are absolutely right!
ROFL! Damn right! The ladies' field nowadays is just crazy!
I love Kostornia's triple axel more than the mens!!!
She would handily beat Lysacek!
No she wouldn't. She may have two triple axels. But she doesn't match his artistry.
I wish Johnny had been judged fairly... I wish Daisuke and Stephane hadn't fallen... The podium would have been different... Hmm...
I still think Takahashi got robbed, his components should be league's above Plush and Lysacek even with the fall.
@@ppnexus2000 but components with a mistake will not place you higher. The only one in the competition that wasn’t judged fairly was Johnny.
@Jose Hill Mistakes cap your PCS but Takahashi's were much lower than the cap he had.
JW was an also ran at best. Perhaps if he spent more time on the ice and less time in women's clothing stores he would have been a better skater.
@@mythoughts5550he did take the bronze medal at the GPF though so he wasn’t that much of an also ran as you call it.
Can we also recognize American designer Vera Wang for creating an absolute kick ass free skate costume?!
No. The snake is creepy.
Scott Hamiltons enthusiasm is always infectious. Love him
he came to my sch and gave a motivational speech!
Ντροπή στους κριτές Ο Πλουσενκο ήταν μία σχολή μόνος του Αδικία μεγάλη Αυτός χάθηκε ο Πλουσενκο έμεινε και μας έδινε πολύ ωραία προγράμματα
Curious how a skating performance can be this frantic yet still be so slow, glideless and leaden.
And flailing one's over-choreographed arms about,to me, is not "artistry..or SKATING for that matter..
And before anyone accuses me of fangirl "sour grapes"....I hated Plushenko too.
This.
Cement shoes, definitely. Horrible routine... athletic, determined skater but... well, is that what an Olympic gold is about? To have come from the Plush/Yagudin revolution... and then reward this overwrought flail-fest... I guess its not different from snowboarding.
hilarious. Yes, they were both terrible in their own ways
I was so happy for his win. Amazing Skater.
I criticized this for years as not as good as pleshenko, but the jumps might not be as good but the in-between skating makes pleshenko look like a toddler, so yeah, the right guy won under the current rules.
Glad to see you come around.
I remember watching it then and thinking he has a nice program but looks kind of slow now and his jumps are really not that powerful. Maybe Plushenko did have a point
Yes,it is so slow and his body is not plastic.And that landing also was shaking.He wasn't better than Plushenk at all.
Plushenko was boring.
@@SymphonyBrahms Maybe but Lysacek was not that great either. It's amazing how much men's (and women's) events have evolved in 10 years
Men’s figure skating kind of regressed here since Alexei Yagudin has been doing quads in the 90s and his footwork is still the gold standard in programs like “Winter” and “Racing”
It’s interesting that you should say that - I just rewatched the men’s free skate for the first time since the Olympics, and a few things struck me: Evan had much better speed than Plushenko, and there was more tension and drama in his performance than Plushenko demonstrated. I also thought Evan’s skating was more precise and detailed - for instance, his spins were difficult and he stayed in one place while spinning, which is difficult to do. I found Plushenko’s skating a bit sloppy, particularly when he wasn’t jumping. I certainly cannot say that Evgeny stayed too long at the party - he got the silver medal here, after all - but I think the 12 surgeries were definitely catching up with him, leading him to drop out of the 2016 games. Certainly Evgeny is a legendary skater and deserving of the accolades he has gotten, but I think the right skater won this contest.
I don’t think quads should define a performance... the man CAN do quads but he had to mind a past injury and had to play his cards right. And it meant he gave more time for artistry which I think is sorely underrated and kinda missing now... skating is as much art as it is sports. I always appreciated that balance in Evan’s performances.
As much as I enjoy Plushenko's artistry, I don't agree with him that just because he has a quad that he should be miles ahead of other skaters. A quad toe is valued 9.50 compared to a triple axel's 8.00, a quad salchow is 9.70. Considering how Evan put his 2nd triple axel in the 2nd half of the program, the 1.50 margin reduces to 0.70
Well I just love this long programme, never tire of watching it. Beautiful music, beautiful skate. You have been a joy to watch Evan. Thank you!
but not a winner
@@tatianamokienko he is.
Lin Train LOL
@@tatianamokienko это правда. Лично мне понравились его программа и выступление ещё тогда. Я смотрю соревнования и болею вне зависимости от страны. Даже скажу, что когда наши не участвуют, любой турнир смотреть интереснее, в том числе потому, что комментаторы и журналисты в этих случаях бывают гораздо объективнее. Особенно это актуально для футбола (ненавижу, когда наши деревья попадают в финальные стадии турниров, слава богу, это случается редко)).
Кстати, у Плюща, на мой вкус, всегда были оч посредственные программы, в т.ч. унылая музыка и безвкусные костюмы. В отличие, например, от Ягудина. Но это так, к слову.
Lin Train я сама не смотрю с нашими комментаторами, но в данном случае это ничего не меняет как бы даже не относиться к Плющу. Лайсачеку до него как до звезды
またあなたの滑りが見れてうれしい！😍
このオリンピックで好きになったんだよー！！！
He’s one of the most beautiful, handsome men in the entire world..
...it seem as is was yesterday. I was vey happy he did so well.
Lindo de mais. Nunca esqueci
Evan did his job, but nothing more. No feeling, no passion, just a list of jumps. Running before or after the music.l
What WERE you watching?
Hahaha your comment was hilarious. Skating back then was so much more artistic and full of raw talent than what it is today. aside from Hanyu and Nathan Chen, everyone pales in comparison to skaters like Evan, Michelle Kwan, Johnny weir, and Sasha Cohen. Evan’s artistic talent was what set him apart from Evgeni Plushenko - hence, why Evan took the gold. Idk what you were watching, but it wasn’t what everyone else was watching haha
No sure what you watched, however, rewatch and do so this time with your eyes open.
Not sure what you watched, but it obviously you are legally blind or mentally challenged. EP's performance was not even worthy of 2nd place, he was a has been and should have stayed retired.
Looking back, he got 82 for Components, and this was a BEAUTIFUL program, skated AT the Olympics, when scores are generally higher. This week at Four Continents, Yuzu gets 94 Program Components, and Nathan Chen gets 88. LOL. Lysacek gets 82. The program component scores have just gotten out of control for the top men -- basically everyone gets 9-9.25 now average. So it's all about the technical.
XD Any of this boys today make better transitions and footwork than he did. Come'n it's not all about a great designer costume, histerical arms and winning faces... really overrated
not to mention how rude where the landing of his jumps, not really high if you see his own size. Really, everytime I saw this, I saw less and less...
Brent's Lucky Slot Channel Everything begins with Chanflation. But seriously, the difference in PCS between Yuzu and Nathan should be even more.
people like records. And sports is trying to attract people.
이동찬 well Nathan does a 4lutz and 4flip. Nathan is starting out with a higher base value and any additions and subtractions start from there. Hanyu makes up for it with the intricate in between, but Nathan is starting at a higher number.
Even some female Russian skaters jump quad nowadays... How could he get Gold without quad for men's competition?
sirmione905 1 quad is not worth more than a triple-triple. Plushenko frontloaded his program while Evan backloaded his (10% bonus). Evan's program had higher base values than plushenko's. So evan won.Simple maths.
Actually in 2010 a lot less male skaters attempted quads than in 2006. The way the scoring works its not always in the skater's best interest to do a quad. Now in 2018 you can't win without one but in 2010 you could - and here you see it. Also, the quad is not the be-all end-all of figure skating. Besides certain people like Yuzuru Hanyu, who is some sort of machine from another planet, they're often extremely difficult to control and therefore look sort of ugly. I think this skate had amazing artistry, amazing footwork, extension and the jumps were all extremely well executed (except one where he was a little forward on the landing, but still it was a solid enough landing). The most impressive jump to watch, to me, is a triple axel. He had them here in spades.
The scoring system was different in 2010 where quads were not given as many points, making it possible to win without a quad if the GEOs were good and PCS scores. Plushenko had worse GEOs. I did have an issue with Lysachek's PCS as i find his program boring compared to others and question if this performance warrented some of the PCS scores he received.
And those Russian girls won’t be able to do those quads in a couple of years. Eteri is delaying their puberty in order to land those quads.
Clean skate. Going clean. No-fall clean. (well, his was cleaner than the others so 🤷♀️)
The only problem I have with Lycacek is that both his triple axels were cheated on the entrance (his left foot was already backwards before it left the ice). Had the judges been fair, he should have been severely penalised for them.
Had the judges been fair Plushenko would have been down 15 points on components due to his sub-novice level choreography and lack of transitions but all you butt hurt Plushenko fans always overlook that part.
Crossovers are NOT transitions.
@@damianlee5438 that part!
When a skater performs an axel jump, certain amount of pre-rotation (about half rotation) is inevitable. His pre-rotation is acceptable, considering that Olympics games are less strict with skaters compared to other competitions.
Even in ladies single, Asada Mao also got her 2 triple axels accepted in FS, though some commentators pinpointed that she lacked rotations and made slight two-foot landings. Including Evan and Plushenko, every players got more points than usual in Vancouver 2010!
Evan did not have quads, but his technical points are already ahead of Plushenko. He backloaded his jumps and he had combination of 3 - 3. Except for one jump, his landings were soft and clean compared to Plushenko's hard landings. Good landing is the major element for GOE. Evan performed jumps between plentiful amount of transitions. Also he earned as high level as he could in spins and step sequences.
Figure skating is not a jump competition. A difference of single quad jump can always be complemented by other elements.
@@네로-b2q Amen. Evan had one wonky landing compared to Plushenko's most landings other than 3. A quad toe is valued at 9.50, and 8.00 for a triple axel, so the margin really isn't as big as people may think it is. Considering how Evan put his 2nd triple axel is the 10% bonus region, the margin now reduces from 1.50 to 0.70 (9.50 v 8.80x). Even if Plushenko did a quad salchow, it is still only valued 0.20 more than the quad toe, so in order for him to be "at least 5 points ahead of everyone after the short" like he said he should've been, he would've needed to do a least a quad loop
@@damianlee5438 SMH You don't need to be a "Plushenko fan" to advocate for fairer judging. I actually wanted Lysacek to win that night primarily because of his connection to Frank Carroll. I personally couldn't care less about Plushenko. Let judges do their job correctly.
Midori's Scheherazade in 1990 world is more dynamic and the height of her 3A is higher than him.
This was an incredible moment for me. I wasn't too impressed with some of the skaters early in the Olympics, but a few managed to pique my interest. To me, Evan was a champ. I'm happy he won, he deserved it. I'm sure others believe differently, but we don't need any negativity. Evan, wonderful job!
This was the much more complete program on this night. Transitions everywhere, great choreography, cleaner jumps, musicality... Why it's even up for debate is beyond me.
Да, он откатался хорошо, но это не первое место. Технически набор элементов не сложный совсем, артистизм тоже не на высшую ступень пьедестала. Жаль, что судьи были не объективны совсем. А руками махать и радоваться после проката-это каждый сможет. Главное видимость создать, что все получилось, а получилось далеко не все.
На той Олимпиаде все делали ошибки в произвольной. Как ни странно, но чище всего был Плющенко, ещё и с квадом (+квад в КП). Эвана очевидно натянули на золото. Так же очевидно, как 4 года спустя лишили потом победы Ким в пользу Сотниковой. Надеюсь, что когда-нибудь фигурное катание будут судить по-настоящему объективно, насколько это возможно в этом виде спорта.
That is one good lookin man.
Plushenko the best!
Maybe the judges got lost in the theatrics-I know I did. I wanted him to win gold back in 2010. He reminded me of Alexei Yagudin...but watching this again it’s not as powerful as I remembered it to be.
This is the first time I've watched it since 2010... its even worse than I remembered. And yeah... the momentum of an American gold etc etc… sledgehammer. Hideous footwork, bobbing head, inelegant, no subtlety, no mix of rhythm... God, what a ghastly gold medallist. History will not be kind.
@@GuerillaCatty73 But you know what? Plushenko's program wasn't any better. I'm not a big fan of either of them, and honestly both programs were highly disappointing for Olympic medalists
Здравствуй дерево.Ногами ,руками помахал.Самое артистичное -это музыка .как коряга ,корявый
@@hannibaljustincase9985 agreed.
I like how Costa and Hamilton don’t talk their way through the program and let it breathe
He deserved the GOLD. Very Clean jumps n execution. Choreography was great!
Severely cheated triple axels though...
В СРАКУ ВСТРОМІТ СВОГО ЛЕЙСАЧЕКА,ЯКИЙ ВИСТУПИВ НА 5 МІСЦЕ,ОЦЕ ЙОГО ЗАСЛУЖЕНЕ.
Loved Evan then, and I love him today. Great and rightful win
. Even with errors, Plushenko's artistry shines and it's riveting.. And I wish Lycasek, so clearly talented, had that same spark. For whatever reason, it wasn't mesmerizing.
Evgeny is the best
Lysacek was the best that day
@@eddiemurphy21Плющенко был лучшим всегда, а на той Олимпиаде золото должно было быть именно Плющенко
@@Тата24Not with that cheap choreo hip action and kiss blowing. Evan be like “I’m not doing that crap”.
@@runner8632 ну и где этот ваш Эван сейчас? Сравнивать его с Плющенко бесполезно, Эван и половины не смог достичь, чего достиг Плющенко, ваш Эван в жизни бы не смог сделать такую дорожку шагов как у Евгения Плющенко, у Плющенко прекрасная хореография
That’s why he lost the gold medal ? Because he is best? Not
PLushenko is the real winner! how on Earth Lysacek could win without 4ds jumps? the judges drowned Plushenko deliberately and it's very obvious. SHAME!!!
The judges' score sheets are available to the public. Look at them and then you'll see how Evan won.
If you slow the programme down around 3.36 you can see he turns (skids) a full half turn before leaving the ice on the second triple axel. He's therefore basically doing a triple salchow.
How did the judges not notice that? I nominate you to be a judge!
Man, I remember watching his performances that year and being absolutely mesmerized 😃 he’s my favorite skater, it’s a shame he had to stop skating shortly after. I had been looking forward to seeing him the next winter Olympic at I think Sochi? Anyway it’s a beautiful program :)
I doubt very much that he would have even made the final group in Sochi. Gotta consider Hanyu and Chan were the big dogs at the time. There is absolutely no way that you can medal any longer without at least one quad in the short and two or more in the long. Evan couldn't even do a quad. His artistic is lacking as well. He would just flail those long skinny arms around in the air and call it good. For me, that isn't artistic interpretation. He had one great season. Other than that, he's pretty much a forgotten champion.
@@jm7804 where's your medal?
@@triciajohansen3027 I don't have a super bowl ring either, but it doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to have an opinion about football. He got lucky that he peaked at just the right moment and at a time when the competition had weakened temporarily. That was my point in a nutshell. He's a very nice person though.
@@jm7804 truce, obviously the judges saw something in Evan that Plushenko didn't have. Plushenko had a gold medal from 2006, it is just nice to see a new face win. You are right, you have the right to an opinion of your own. My apologies.
He was good but he doesn't have the same expression as Evgeni plushenko. I'll admit, the mistakes on the jumps that Plushenko made in 2010 did cost him the gold, but his performance in it of itself deserves the gold. Plushenko and Alexei yagudin in particular is the best male skater That Ever Walked the Earth hands down. If you haven't seen his other work look it up. For Americans, Johnny Weir is probably the best competition for plushenko. Weir is extremely talented and expressive as well and was trained by Russian coaches. I would point you to Alexei yagudin 2002 Olympics short and long program. Perfection masterful everything never been surpassed
There's no Quad but this is one of the best men gold winner ever ( for me ) Powerful speed - Best Footworks - Good performance. Incredible.
Not the worst performance but just underwhelming for me
TALL BEAUTIFUL ARTISTIC SKATER I REMEMBER THIS I WAS AT THE EDGE OF MY SEAT WHAT A ⛸ SKATER🥇🏆🇺🇸
Некрасивый стиль катания Сутулый И даже тройные прыжки с помарками А Плющенко четверные чисто прыгал
Может у судей с глазами было плохо
@@ЕленаСтар-ж4в И с совестью то же
а-ха-ха! Прямая осанка, отточенные движения, пластичность, музыкальность, практически безупречное катание, интересная хорошо сделанная программа... Не умеете вы проигрывать, вечно как бабы базарные
Не красивое катание...не пойму что не так с ним...вроде бы высокий и руки длинные но....еле досмотрела до конца😕
больше так не мучайся!
@@АннАПозднякова-г8к это что было ?хотела блеснуть остроумием?...не дотягиваете уважаемая, так...как и этот "олимпийский"чемпион до золотой медали.
@@AMIR10345 Зато он не допингист как биатлонист Устюгов, с которого сегодня сняли звание Чемпиона ОИ и правильно сделали
@@AMIR10345 прекрасно дотянул до золотой. Прекрасно откатал, хватит уже идти на поводу скулящего ЖП. Как показала практика, без квадов прекрасно можно выигрывать.
Отточенные движения, но артистизма нет никакого. Вот чего не хватает.
Olympic champion without quad. Shame! He didn't deserve gold.
A quad jump is not everything. On top of that, Evgeny did only 1 quad for each program which was a quad toe. Not worth that much. At the end, the one who utilised every bonus point got gold-Evan.
the best preformance of vancover 2010 came from yuna kim
This doesn't hold a candle to Queen Yuna!
Also from Johnny Weir
@@bloodstreamwwtlfv he did too many mistakes. His edges on both Flips were just wrong.
@@maria_nov ugh I don’t think so.
@@bloodstreamwwtlfv check out the protocols, they are available online
На этой Олимпиаде у нашего Евгения нагло отобрали золото. КАКОЙ ЛАЙСИЧЕК вообще? Да, откатал хорошо, но это не золото было явно. Очень обидно за Женю
а Женя откатал плохо, какое золото?! Программа нудная скучная,нелепые вихляния, поцелуи воздушные...
ESPN Olympic Channel has been re running all of the Olympic Ice Skating from 2002 thru 2014...watching the 2010 men's skating again, Evan still wins it...he knew where to put his points, and he delivered...no question at all...watch Plushenko"s arms flailing after the jumps...that is where he lost..all jumps..
He is average Weir looked much better.nothing to say about Evan. empty very average.never watched anything else of his skating and not regretting it. sure would not miss anything
I think Weir got robbed...
Sammy Smith Weir should have been on the podium here.
Every one of Johnny's landings looked better than this guy's...
Очень тяжело дается когда му дорожка шагов, такое ощущение что на дворе не 2010 год , а 1995 год . Слабенько, нет мурашек и нет огня !!! Плющенко конечно уже был не тот , как в 2001 по 2006 год , но у великого Плющенко сложнее
I've been watching skating for long time. This was the least impressive mens skate. NO Quad. Thats the next level of skating in this era. Alexi Yagudin did 2 quads in 2002
L MM 1 quad is worth less than a triple-triple.
Qiqi Chia depending on which quad and which triple triple
Не впечатлило... И это олимпийский чемпион ?
Не артистизма ни пластики.Окунул в 60 годы.
Honestly, I don't understand the commentators talking about this amazing choreography. It wasn't. He is not a beautiful skater to watch. The performance was simply dull. The outfit was bad. The 3A-2T combo was bad. Honestly, Plushenko wasn't a beautiful skater, but neither was Evan. I honestly think after the short, Takahashi should have been ahead by a few points (and if he was after the short, maybe he would not have attempted the quad if he knew he didn't have to. And even with the fall, his PCS should be lightyears ahead of evan's). And I like Sandra's typical commentary. Takahashi and Lambiel were the ones with the true PCS. And Weir, say what you may about transitions, but his choreography and performance were so much better than Lysacek. Evan had some good jumps (lower tech. but good), good spins, but I did not find this performance enjoyable. Even plushenko, whose spins I don't like, had a better performance and interpretation of the music.
I agree with most of what you're saying except--choreography. His choreography was very detailed and intricate. If you only watch his feet, he's a champion. He's not very nice to watch because of the shape of his body and body positions. Midori Ito had a similar issue. But the basics of skating are about what your blades do on the ice. He did that well in my opinion. In think he would have won a little more convincingly if he had a better axel.
This is the only indication that you dont need to do squad and push your self to get the gold. I was inspired by this. For all the time i was thinking that you need to have a quad you to win gold. I was wrong
Exactly!
youre still wrong
but if now he just did like that, he would only be a clapper...
You’d still be wrong
It's almost 2018 and I still absolutely cry seeing this. I was lucky when I got to see it live... That was being there for history!
You wese so lucky to be there!!!
Because it’s a Russian music
sorry ,Anzu love ,but Olympics in Vancouver was nightmare for me.Plushy was robbed ,and i was crying the whole night.
@@bone9jdjkaye ,sorry ,but just for U- From this time distance ,Lysachek's skating looks like a slow drawing on ice. Plushenko will stay remembered with his epic unforgettable performances like "Nijinsky" ;"Once upon a time.." ;Godfather";Roxanne tango" "Tango amore" ....are ,no doubt !
I remembered this program as being like a lead weight. It still is. The 2000s of US men's skating were a polarizing era of either feminine disco glam (Johnny Weir, Rohene Ward) or closet-case bores (Tim Goebel, Evan Lysacek, Matt Lavoie) who looked like they never had fun in their entire lives. I never noticed the cheated axel entrances (seriously?) or how much he flailed his arms. That... that isn't choreography, but it sure looked like it in 2010. The only reason why he won this medal is because the judges knew Plushenko would have had an ego the size of Mother Russia and likely would have tried to run the ISU if he were allowed to repeat as Olympic champ (remember him announcing his "Platinum" silver medal?).
I'm with ya! I watched it at the time... you can see this ugly, milked, busy type of routine set the tone for what is happening today. Boring, athletic skater - how to compete against the talented? This is the result. He looks a dork, even more so seeing it again than at the time. Just a bloke who found himself in a lot of lycra on a rink... the faux artistry is the most offensive thing about it. Where men's skating now is, this type of routine, they need to ditch the costumes, the "storyline" and just make them go out and jump, lots, and not lose a second to add a flounce, flourish or pose with a trick added. Its mechanical... kudos to him, he did the work, etc, but the politics around that Olympics - so thick it travelled across oceans of time through the broadcast. You think it was to nullify Evgeni's greatness post retirement, eh? Wouldn't put it past them. (And toe pick on the first axel? Spray of ice should have been a hint to the judges...)
I was outraged at the time, I've never watched a WO since, never will, sod them, and if they couldn't understand that these medals set up the legacy and future of your sport... but you can see the judges prefer this kind of skate. Its bringing it down to did/didn't land, did/didn't do X elements, easy peasy. Currently, that is what we are looking at. Who can land it, who can't... then that's the order of the results. Boring. So boring. I'd put it on pause to write this comment (attention wandering, thought I'd check out the comments - that tells you everything, doesn't it?) and just restarted it... God, that was one ugly routine, one boring skater, not a rounded angle in his entire body. Add "artistry", forget "artistry", add "artistry" and on it goes. Multiple personality disorder skating. And no, even in 2010 this wasn't choreography. The world was divided, saw it for the point milking snore fest it was... The commentators confirm everyone's feelings - technically sharp, delivered, blah blah… but not a patch on EP as a performer, as a skater, as an artist. They are resigned.
Evan was never a closet case btw.
I mean it was better than plushenkos program both in technique and presentation, even though Evans axel sucks, everything else was 'fine'. And I use 'fine' because it wasn't a performance you would expect from a gold medalist, but it was a tad better than evgeni.
Позор судейству, ну, видно же всем, Что Плющенко лучше, выше на пару голов, но нет, они его засуживают, и даже по его лицу видно, что он наперед знал, что засудят....
Лайсачек был лучшево всем! И заслуженно получил медаль золотую. Наглости Плющенко всегда было не занимать
It might not have had a quad - but he still deserved to win under this system and it is not fair to criticize him for not having any. This scoring system was a game-changer for the sport - it introduced a strategy element that did not really exist prior. He and his coach clearly decided that the quad was not worth the risk and it had been detrimental to his health to keep attempting it. Plushenko is a great skater, one of the best ever - but he did not deserve to beat this program with his performance.
Конечно, Плющенко превзошел этого фигуриста. Эван слабый. Плющенко явно засудили.
He hits all technical aspects but the artistry is less. His american mate Weir has it more. But not just Johnny Weir, even Evgeni Plushenko was robbed in this
I have to agree Sally. Evan was marked up in the free skate and Evgeni was marked down in the short programme.
Agree, his 3 Axel is kind of UR, but he made little better transition than others, and put two combo in second half to gain more points..... somehow, I enjoy Plushenko and Johnny Weir programme much more.. Now so fair for Johmny honestly
@@bryentuoba3661 This was the worst Olympic gold medal-winning performance since John Curry in 1976..
@@stevebbuk totally agree, I get bored of watchi g Evan's programme. Even I fill such transition.is kind of fake, same posture all the time, and not natural. Just to use the posture to gain point of transition.....
Well and he does not contrbute anything to figure skating after that, not like Johmmy or Plushenko. He works in real estate now I sae the news....
Well, I love figure skating, but really really disappointed with the judges....
You could hardly be more wrong Steve. As far as artistry is concerned, Curry was a class above these two.
No wonder he disappeared in the field of figure skating.
Someone has a bad attitude.
Frank Caroll sensed how very nervous he was. Right after Sandra Bezic says, he hasnt been bending his knees, his shoulders are up (also nerves) Evan skates over to the boards and tries to tie his laces again, a sure sign of nerves, he tells him twice "Dont tie your laces." Very aggressively. He set him straight and sent him to skate. He was ready.
Всё -таки самый скучный и самый посредственный чемпион за всю историю...до сих пор загадка,как он мог выиграть
Best skater ever !
Лично Всегда Счтитала и Считаю что в Ванкувере Реально - НАГЛЫМ ОБРАЗОМ УКРАЛИ ЗОЛОТО у ЕВГЕНИЯ ПЛЮЩЕНКО.Факт!
И никакими доводами меня никто не убедит, что Лайсачек ОЧ??? Точка.
А вот- ЕВГЕНИЙ ПЛЮЩЕНКО ОЛИМПИЙСКИЙ ЧЕМПИОН!
И -Это Доказывает ещё - ТО, что когда в 2015 г - Проводились Соревнования на Уровне ИСУ Среди Проффессионалов ЕВГЕНИЙ ПЛЮЩЕНКО ВЫИГРАЛ ЗОЛОТО!
А Лайсачек Проиграл и Оказался на 5 месте..Факт!
ЕВГЕНИЙ ПЛЮЩЕНКО - Единственный Фигурист Обладатель -4х Олимпийских Медалей! Наш ПЛЮЩЕНКО Самый Титулованный Фигурист Страны и в Мире!
ГОРЖУСЬ НАШЕМ - ЕВГЕНИЕМ ПЛЮЩЕНКО - БЫЛ КОРОЛЬ и ОСТАЁТСЯ КОРОЛЁМ ФИГУРНОГО КАТАНИЯ!
ПЛЮЩЕНКО -СУПЕРТАЛАНТ ЕГО КРАСИВОЕ НЕПРЕВЗОЙДЁННОЕ ИСКУССТВО КАТАНИЯ - ЭТО НЕЗАБЫВАЕМЫЙ ЭМОЦИИ НАВСЕГДА!!
РЕСПЕКТ и УВАЖЕНИЕ ПЛЮЩЕНКО ВЕЛИКОМУ 2-х КРАТНОМУ ОЛИМПИЙСКОМУ ЧЕМПИОНУ!
СПАСИБО ПЛЮЩЕНКО за Все Многочисленные ПОБЕДЫ и ДОСТИЖЕНИЯ!
Дай БОГ ЗДОРОВЬЯ ПЛЮЩЕНКО ! УСПЕХОВ и УДАЧИ на ТРЕНЕРСКОМ ПУТИ!!
а-ха-ха! Сам у себя Плющенко украл золото, кататься нужно было лучше и готовиться. Ошибки в исполнении, нудная программа, кривляния и воздушные поцелуи
The most undeserved win in Olympic figure skating history.
Where's your medal?!
Prefer Plushenko's program. 4>3.
Это не Олимпийский чемпион!!!!Так тяжело его смотреть!!!Евгений Плющенко -настоящий чемпион Ванкувера!!!!Верните золотую медаль достойному ее!!!
ха ха ха вот дуреха то
Return Yuna Kim gold medal xd
His legs look so long...
Amanda Stevens cause they are. He is abnormally tall for a figure skater.
@@jjh2456 : yes , "abnormally" tall for a figure ⛸ man. But the legs are not soooo long. Not forget the blades... adding some cm/inches.
Camelia P He’s 6’2”. So with the blades like 6’3”. Most male figure skaters top out at like 5’10” in the singles discipline. So yeah, he is abnormally tall.
Blades and boots add more like 4-5” ... there’s the blade and then the boot has a heel.
@@jjh2456 to be fair, he's tall in general, not only for a skater
ляйсачек тяжёлый фигурист такое впечатление что он еле еле себя таскает по льду! аж тяжело смотреть на него! Россиянин Плющенко рядом с ним как бабочка Гениален Евгений! Но что делать? надо шоб американец победил да без четверных ! позорище
научить уже проигрывать достойно, без наговоров на соперников, а то противно уже от ваших скандалов и завываний, что кого-то опять засудили
Evan didn't need a quad..by adding more jumps an spins in the last part of his program, he received more credits....they said his triple axle,double toe loop was worth 8.5, and Evegini's quad was worth 8.8...
Sammy Smith meanwhile in 2018, skaters are doing the quad lutz, and have their eyes set on the quad axel, while the ladies have taken over doing triples. We're talking about 8+ points here, but now it's 14+ with one jump. How far we've come...
😂😂😂😂😂😂
People forget that as good as Plushenko was, he had a tendency to put his most difficult elements in the front of his programs. Both of his axel passes were in the first 2 mins of the program. Evegeni left a lot of points on the table by doing that.
Olimpic champion with 2 axel, that looks like Nokia 3310 from 2018:)
Yeah, it's weird he won. Did the Russians not bribe the judges this year?
@@2345678902345671 apparently americans did
@@margaritan2968 doping only goes so far, eh?
@@2345678902345671like Armstrong for example? :D
@@dragontheknight272 all those dudes were roided up. You're just mad our roided up guy beat your roided up guy.
i don't look forward to re-watching this Olympic gold medal skate compared to past champions. Neither Evan nor Plushenko skated to gold imo. Evan's axel has the most skid i've ever seen. It looks like his left skate turns 1/2 rotation and then he leaves the ice.
Totally agree. neither should have won. Plushenko can jump but not skate, while Evan can skate but not jump. Evan probably won because Plushy didn't do what he does best: jump well
Plushenko should have Wong gold
Damn he’s so TALL
I was just thinking that you don’t see nearly as many shorter men’s skaters than you used to - good examples being Scott Hamilton and Paul Wylie. I wonder if that is because the quad has become almost a necessity to win, and it might be more difficult for a shorter individual to get the height needed to complete 4 rotations? I’m just guessing on that, but perhaps someone on here more involved in skating could opine as to whether that is true.
@@jenniferbobic8005 Yes, you are very much correct. In general: the shorter you are, the lighter you are, the less power you need to get up in the air-and the less weight you put on your leg while landing. so it is much more difficult for a tall skater such as Lysacek to do triples and quads, because he needs to lift additional pounds of his height someone like Hanyu or Chen don't have. when landing a quad, they land it with 7x their body mass, this makes tall skaters more prone to get injured, simply because they are heavier. also, they have a higher center of gravity which makes it basically easier to get off the axis and fall, and lose control over spins. and at the very end, controlling long arms and legs can be troublesome too.
This gold medal is somewhat not that convincing especially technically. 2000's is quar ero but he has no quar. It is a backwood gold medal. 8 years ago, in 2002 the quar is already performanced by both gold and silver madelist. This is really a backwards performance.
Деревянный чемпион,не умеющий прыгать четверные.Позор!!!
How come a mediocre performance won gold? Judges were blind and biased. No body even remembered that this guy was a figure skater. What a shame!
Yo era fans, fans de Plushenko y me sigue gustando. Pero un día allá por 2017 dije voy ha ver a este niño que ganó en Sochi ( no sé porque me resistía a ello y siempre lo pasaba por alto ) y bueno lo vi y desde entonces cambio todo , para mí ,.
Lo dijo Plushenko hay un antes y un después se Yusuru.
Este chico que ganó en Vancouver no lo volvía a ver no sé que le pasó.
Además la vigencia del japonés !!!! ( casi 10 años !!!!) Increíble.
También me enamora la versión del hombre de la máscara de hierro por el ruso ( no sé escribir bien el apellido ).
A mí siempre me gustaron los rusos.
Plushenko muy innovador, pero Yagudin le dió la lucha, no se la puso fácil. Y Yagudin en la temporada olímpica de SLC tuvo los mejores programas de su vida deportiva, con su programa corto me quedé enganchada con él!! (Winter) Jajaja.. hasta hoy lo disfruto, para mí es insuperable!!
Y aquí en Vancouver definitivamente debió ganar Evan L. Su programa largo aún sin cuádruple fue el mejor!
Bien hecho su coreo con componentes bien repartidos y la postura de sus saltos son excelentes en el aire, Plushenko se preparó aquí solo un año antes, por eso sus errores (muy confiado).
Moraleja: Nunca se debe subestimar al competidor 😉
He will be remembered as a guy who stolen gold from Plushenko.Plushy was robbed !
perjus,CALM DOWN,don't be nervouse and rude ,please!No comment!
Ποιος θυμαται πια αυτον τον αθλητη;Αν οι αγωνες δεν ειχαν γινει στην πατριδα του δεν θα κερδιζε ουτε το χαλκινο μεταλλιο.Ο Πλουσενκο επρεπε να κερδισει.Ολοι το ξερουμε αυτο
wow for sure he can compete in ladies category, but I'm afraid Mao Osada and Tuktamysheva ll beat him
Not to mention junior girls!
It's not difficult to understand. His program had a higher base value than Plushenko because it was more difficult, even without the quad. He also was the first skater under the COP to be smart enough to backload his program with more difficult elements after the halfway mark to earn the 10% bonus on each one. (Now everyone is doing it.) He skated flawlessly in both programs with zero deductions. While he was basically tied with Plushenko on the artistic mark (I believe only 1/10 separated them artistically), Lysacek beat Plushenko on the technical mark because his program was more difficult and thus, earned more total points. It's basic addition. Because he beat Plushenko on the technical mark overall, it can't be argued, like some skaters who get huge PCS padding, that this was a subjective victory. It wasn't. They were tied artistically, and Evan won by being the smarter and better skater that night.
It must also be remembered that Plushenko only did ONE quad in each program. Back in those days, the men were only doing one quad in each program. Even in 2014, Hanyu and Chan attempted just two quads in the LP but only completed ONE cleanly each. It wasn't until AFTER 2014 that the guys started doing 4+ quads in a LP. So, it wasn't difficult in 2010 to defeat a skater who only had one quad in his program, even if the challenger didn't. A quad toe loop that Plushenko did is only worth 10.3 points. By comparison, a triple axle, triple toe is worth 12.8, and I believe Lysacek had two triple, triples plus higher levels on his footwork and much better / more difficult transitions. It's a numbers game, and it all added up for Lysacek because he put two difficult and smart programs together that he skated flawlessly with no deductions.
Plushenko, we must remember, had retired after the 2006 games. He had not skated competitively in 3.5 years since winning his gold in Torino. In fact, when he decided to make a comeback, the ONLY competition he'd skated in prior to the Vancouver games was Russian nationals. That's it. I don't care how talented someone is. If you don't use it, you lose it. How did he think he could come back after NOT skating competitively for nearly 4 years and be in shape for the Olympics just two months later? Watch his LP from 2006 and then compare it to 2010. The quality of his performance is markedly different. He's clearly out of shape. His jumps are very tilted in the air with wildly shaky landings. He's lucky he didn't fall at least twice. He's also known for putting all his difficulty up front and coasting through the last 1-2 minutes of the program, but this forfeits the 10% bonus he'd have gotten on doing later elements. Bottom line: he was way out of shape and had planned his programs poorly.
FYI: Evan's gold is NOT the first time a skater with no quad defeated a defending champion who landed one in each program. Two years BEFORE Vancouver at Worlds 2008, Canada's Jeffrey Buttle defeated France's Brian Joubert, who landed two qads but with other errors, while Buttle with no quads had two incredible skates. Watch it. Buttle is amazing and deserved his gold, too.
It should also be noted that in Sochi 2014, the top 3 medal winners fell on or fell out of 6 jumps between them in the LP! If we count the SP, as well as downgraded jumps, the medal winners missed 9 jumps over all with Hanyu missing two in his LP. That's unheard of in Olympic competition. Watching the splat-fest that was the men's competition in Sochi, I wondered how many of them would have preferred to have Evan's triumphant program instead of their error riddled mess.
Russian doped trolls are so mad xD
oofahman: Thanks. It's because there is no legitimate argument against Evan's rightful victory, and the snarky people who resent it know that. I love the fact that both skaters were virtually tied on the artistic mark (which is absurd, considering Plushenko's limitations) and that Evan won fair and square on technical points. Because of that, no one can argue that his win was a matter of preference among the judges.
It also should be noted that the judges gave Evan no love in the +GOEs or PCS (as they should have), nor did they penalize Plushenko with -GOEs for his wildly crooked jumps and shaky landings (as they should have). In the end, Evan won on base points alone. He earned that victory all by himself with no padding from the judges, and that's why his victory is one of the greatest men's figure skating wins in Olympic history for me, right up there with Brian Boitano's in 1988.
Icowles,don't agreee!Poor arguments!
"the hardest working best conditioned athlete of this competition" please give us a break.
oofahman mooch Trolling bitch for your suck buddy, lol.
He really was if you know his coach he made his skaters run through their entire program every practice. He’s one of the reasons Michelle Kwan was so consistent.
indudablemente una rutina impecable, sin embargo Plushenko tenia el favor del publico, el verdadero idolo fue Plushenko, su rutina fue mas impactante, era un verdadero interprete del patinaje, transmitia con cada parte de su cuerpo, por supuesto su rutina impresionante, en fin el no gano el oro, asi las cosas...
Poor guy.He looks so funny .Gold without quad ! SHAME !
oofahman mooch Trolling bitch for poor widdle Evan, lol.
1 quad is worth less than a triple-triple. it's simple maths.
A similar physique to Robin Cousins 1980, but not as entertaining..
lol a Rika Kihira would have won this "mens competition"
Ugh!The infamous skating!Not an Olympic champion!
I felt Evan was a mediocre skater? No quad jump but he did 8 triple jumps but no errors!
What is harder technically, a quad toe or triple axel (i know which one has more points, but I can see a triple axel being harder to learn than a quad toe)?
Only the skaters can answer 😂
But really tho, 2021 and it’s still a fact that many aren’t consistent with their 3 axel~ and yet they’d rather focus on learning quads first than perfecting the 3A. Poor 3a 😂
As a previous skater I would imagine that a triple axel is harder. A triple axel is three and half rotations. It's hard to control that half turn, and axels require a lot of power and strength.
До плющенко как до неба
If Johnny had skated in 2023 he would have won Gold❤❤
What Plushenko fans fail to notice is that Russian single skaters didn't seem to understand positions, extension and polish until just a few years ago. Yet somehow under-rotating and ugly skating by Irina Slutskaya and unpolished, over-indulgent, ugly positions Plushenko still managed to win titles and be over scored. Yet the fans complain and complain. Positions. Extension. Polish. Its what makes skating beautiful and makes the whole program so much more difficult.
Wow. His height in itself makes a rare spectacle on ice.
Watching this again, I loved Evan's skate. BUT: Sandra Bezic, you are SO hypocritical. She goes out of her way to say when Plushenko is skating that Plushy "has a full minute left in this program and there are no more jumps planned. That's what Scott means by 'front loading'". But look at EVAN'S skate, Sandra! What did he have in his last minute and 15 seconds -- NO JUMPS. She's dogging Plushenko for front loading and having no jumps left in the last 60 seconds, but Evan did it too! This is why commentators lose credibility. I agree Evan should have won -- but let's call a spade a spade, Sandra.
Brent's Lucky Slot Channel Actually Evan had the 3flip combo, 3 lutz, and 2axel in the final minute of the program. Pluscenko did not do a jump for the last 1:30.
It's not difficult to understand how Lysacek won.
1. Lysace's programs were more technically difficult than Plushenko's, even without the quad. Lysacek was the first skater smart enough to backload his programs and bank up the extra 10% on a lot of elements. Now, everyone is doing it! Traditionally, Plushenko put all his heavy tech elements up front and just coasted through the last 1.5-2 minutes of his program. Because Lysack's base value was higher in both programs, and he skated flawlessly with zero deductions, he beat Plushenko on the technical mark, even without the quad. They were essentially tied on PCS with Plushenko only having a 0.1 advantage there. So, no one can say Lysacek's victory was a subjective one or that Plushenko was "robbed". He wasn't. Mandatory base points and the extra 10% add up, and they did just that for Lysacek.
2. Eight years ago, the guys who were able (and there weren't many) were mostly doing one quad in each program. In those days, it wasn't difficult for a challenger who skated flawlessly with zero deductions and no quads to defeat a defending champion who landed a couple quads but with other mistakes. At that time, the quad toe Plushenko was doing was only worth 10.3 points, while a triple-axle, triple-toe was worth 12.8 points, and Lysacek had a 3A+3T and a 3L+3T in his LP. He also got higher levels on his footwork and other elements.
3. Plushenko was seriously out of shape. It must be remembered that after winning gold in Torino, Plushenko went into semi-retirement. Between 2006 and 2010, he didn't skate in a single competition. In fact, the ONLY competition he skated in prior to the 2010 games was Russian Nationals. Now, I don't care how talented someone is--if you don't use it, you're going to lose it. How could Plushenko think he could come back after four years of not skating competitively and walk right into the Olympic games?! His lack of conditioning showed. His jumps were very crooked in the air with wild landings and a wide swinging leg on one. A couple of times, only his muscle memory kept him from falling. To all those who don't know how to add up base points and understand why Lysacek won, I say, "Go back and compare Plushenko's LP's from Torino and Vancouver. His performance and conditioning is markedly decreased in 2010." Even so, the judges did NOT hit Plushenko with the -GOEs he deserved, while at the same time, they showed Lysacek almost no +GOE love that he should have earned. In the end, Lysacek won that gold all by himself with no help from the judges either in +GOEs or PCS. He won it basically on base points alone, and he totally deserved it.
4. Plushenko knew he hadn't done enough to win. I always tell people who bitch about Lysacek's win to watch Plushenko's Vancouver LP and pause the video after the camera gets a close-up on him with his arms over his head during the applause. You can tell by the worried expression on his face he KNEW what he laid down wasn't enough to win, even with the quad...and yet, he somehow still expected it. Such an entitled narcissist.
5. Lysacek's gold also is NOT the first time a skater with no quad defeated a defending champion who landed one in each program. Two years BEFORE Vancouver at Worlds 2008, Canada's Jeffrey Buttle defeated France's Brian Joubert, who landed two quads but with other errors, while Buttle with no quads had two incredible skates. Watch it. Buttle is amazing and deserved his gold, too. Yet somehow, certain people lost their minds when Lysacek won gold in Vancouver. The bottom line is that Plushenko seriously underestimated the competition and overestimated his capability after four years off going into the 2010 games. He thought he could sail right in there and walk away with the gold like 2006. He expected his reputation and not his actual performance to do the heavy lifting for him, but he wasn't counting on a better and smarter skater with a strategically planned program skated flawlessly defeating him that night. His ego got the best of him.
Even in Sochi four years later, the top guys were still only doing one quad in the SP and just two quads in the LP. That's it. Men's skating didn't become quad heavy until Nathan Chen hit the scene in 2016-17 and forced all the guys to try and keep up with him. Now, you simply can't win without two quads in the SP and at least 4-5 in the LP...but back in 2010, it was a VERY different story.
I just want to correct you on your first point, both of Lysacek's programs had a lower technical base value than Plushenko's.
SP:
P - 44.10
L - 40.00
FS
P - 75.03
L - 74.93
Very little difference in the long program as you can see, and yes it was very smart of Lysacek to backload his program as this closed the gap between their base values. I'll never understand why Plushenko did 5 of his jumping passes before the half-way point.
I don't disagree with anything else you said and tbh nobody really won this Olympics for me, Lysacek's program was uninspired and Plushenko's was a mess, even if he managed to land everything. It was all about the Ladies' competition, seriously Yuna Kim would've won the men's free skate that year! XD
Takahashi and Weir were my favourites from the men this year, too bad the former didn't land his quad, that would've easily made him the winner in my book.
MrSpaceRaptor: Plushenko put all his heavy stuff up front because that's the way he always skated. Even the NBC commentators made mention of it. He always ended up with about 1-1.5 minutes of time where he just skated around the rink making weird gesticulations at the end of his LP. In the end, he thought so highly of himself and so little of the other skaters, that he thought he could beat them even when he was completely out of shape. Now that's arrogance, and he paid for it. He's lucky he didn't get the big -GOEs that he really deserved. That shows how stacked the judges were in Plushenko's favor. Lysacek was flawless in everything he did and should have beaten Plushenko by a wider margin. Only his second triple axle in the LP was a bit pitched forward over the front of the skate, but that's it. Some of Plushenko's jumps were almost parallel to the ice in the air, as tilted as they were.
Lysacek's LP remains one of my all-time favorites. Yes, there have been better programs, but not since the Battle of the Brians was there a bigger David and Goliath kind of battle, where the odds were so stacked against the challenger that all he could do was be prepared...and both Boitano and Lysacke pulled off two flawless Olympic programs to win. Amazing. Even Hanyu or Plushenko can't make that claim. Everyone wants a moment like Lipinski, Hughes or Boitano, and Lysacek pulled it off when it mattered.
As much as I like Kim, the ladies competition was a foregone conclusion. I'm happy she won, but I felt it was more like a coronation than a competition. That pretty much sucked all the excitement out of it for me, especially after Mao fell in the SP. Even if she'd skated clean, there was no way Mao was winning that gold over two clean performances by Kim. It was the men's competition here that was the highlight and most suspenseful for me.
With all due respect to Hanyu, I feel Takahashi is the best male skater Japan has produced. His passion and power were amazing. His programs always had flashes of brilliance. The problem was his inconsistency. That's all, but it hurt him throughout his career. Still he should have won 2012 worlds over Patrick Chan, but Chanflation was HUGE back then. I'm still torn between Takahashi winning bronze over Weir, who also skated flawlessly in both programs, just like Lysacek. Even Stojko later said he thought Weir deserved bronze. I realize his program was simpler, but I felt both skaters were great, but in completely different respects.
Jose Hill, dude go back and watch the skate. Evan did his last 2A at 4:25, and didn’t jump at all til the program ended at 5:45. Thats a full minute and 20 seconds of NO JUMPS. Again, I believe he should have one. I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Sandra by her railing on Plushenko by saying he had a “full minute left and no more jumps”. Which is EXACTLY what Evan did. I don’t know what program you’re watching, but Evan did not jump for the last one minute 20 seconds of his program.
Average skater. Average artistry, mediocre quality jumps, especialy the triple axel which is poor quality, no quad, good but not great spins, good but not great footwork, ok basics. Cant believe a skater like this could win the Olympics. It might have been deserved that night, although skaters like Takahashi and Lambiel where way underscored compared to Lysacek, even with their mistakes, but wow what an underwhelming skater to win the Olympics.
Dustin Gabe how do you underscore someone when they make mistakes?
Лайсачеку надо было в баскетбол идти,а не в фигурное катание.Никакой грации и пластики,дерево-деревом.Судьям - позор!
Ему никогда не сравниться с Плющенко!
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the judges were criminals ! his jumps were not OK, especially 3 A heavily pre rotated on ice , he turned his blade!!!!!!!!!!! he didn't over performed Plushenko in components , so it's obvious that these criminals just took Evgeny Gold and gave it to Evan. shame !!! he is not to blame , of course
Lol you cannot do a triple axel without “prerotation”. It’s normal for a 3A to have about 1/4 a turn on the ice before getting totally airborne. Watch any other skater.
@@zeel5689 he was not better than Plush , it was obvious . shame !!
Oh please. Shut the fuck up. Plushenko and his ridiculous transition marks, anything over a 5 was fucking ridiculous. Was Plushenko an amazing jump technician? Yes. He just wasn't this night.
Was Plushenko constantly propped up in components with inflated choreography and transitions marks? Yes he fucking was. Novice level men's skaters at the time were better than him in both in spades. He got better transition marks than Matt "Let's see how many difficult entrances I can do into all my triple jumps" Savoie.
So don't you dare say SHIT about Plushenko being robbed when he was robbing dozens of skaters with better actual components but was always being propped up my the judges.
And Matt Savoie deserves to have his Transitions marks given back to him. Fuck face.
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I think the judges did their jobs. It's the scoring system that failed here. Blame the ISU
Oh please, I’m a fan of Evgeny and I think Evan deserves to win the gold. Evgeny had quads, yes but at other elements, Evan was way better. He won it undoubtedly
I was more happy for Frank. I'm not one of those people who liked Evan because I'm American so I had to. Plushenko had that X factor that I never felt from Evan. Winning a gold medal at the olympics is a momentous accomplishment and he should be proud, but...meh. Plushenko was a star.
You are right. As for me, Plushenko, Yagudin are the first skaters ever.