Science Vs Religion: The Great Creation Debate (Evolution & Faith Documentary) | Real Stories
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- Comedian Andrew Maxwell takes five British creationists to the west coast of America to try to convince them that evolution rather than creationism explains how we all got here.
Comedian Andrew Maxwell takes five British creationists to the west coast of America to try to convince them that evolution rather than creationism explains how we all got here. Stuck on a bus across 2,000 miles of dustbowl roads with these passionate believers, Maxwell tackles some firmly held beliefs - could the Earth be only 6,000 years old, and did humans and T-Rex really live side by side? It's a bumpy ride as he's confronted with some lively debates along the way, but by the end could he possibly win over any of these believers with what he regards as hard scientific fact?
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" It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows" Epictetus
unless you kill him and go about your day
- Me
Favorite quote;
"Cain and Abel are two dudes .. they can't have a kid"
This always went through my mind as a child, along with being told you shouldn't have kids with your relatives...... Not that I ever had the guts to bring it up with anyone!
They were just the first two children but not the only children, this fact is mentioned later the book of genesis
@@lozzylols yeah we are also told not to have more then one wife but many people in Bible has hundreds of wives. The reason for these changes are mentioned in scripture
22:57 I’m ashamed and terrified for us as a species after hearing those nut jobs sing the U.S. national anthem.
@@TheCchinc1984 Amen 🙏
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
- Mark Twain
Lol I was thinking the same thing. This poor Gemini person stealing peoples quotes and not owning up to it.
haha exactly. just look how many uneducated fools believe in evolution as if it was a religion.
Phil ironically calling people bullys. Is it called projecting?
Phil reminds me of the Ian Paisleys of the worlds.
100% my thoughts too. Telling the lady she can't speak about her son is 100% bullying.
True Phil is a very sad person.
@@headhonchotheone9041
Very sad.
Reminds me of the Catholic burning extremists up in NI... My family has to escape them back in the twenties for being Irish and Catholic. Even though my g-g-grandad was a high ranked veteran who fought in some major events of WW1 for the British
The girl who survived cancer and her daughter are wonderful ppl even if I disagree with her belief
Christianity has such "just wait til Daddy gets home" energy
This show is basically a 60 minute demonstration that you can't use facts to change the minds of people who didnt use facts to come to their conculision.
Evolution from a universal common ancestor is make belief, not fact.
@@phicomingatya bone apple tea
@@phicomingatya straw man misrepresentation of science
@@curious5887 Except that it is accurate. You just don't like the truth.
@@phicomingatya why, just why, for me you’re the one that don’t like the truth, you just keep denying over century of research and evidence for Evolution, and just keep believing old and outdated religipus or creationist belief that have no single evidence to support it, i like to see your child failed science class, and began questioning his beliefs, and heck, even christian this day accept evolution, like that Paleontologist from that documentary,
Bro phil is the biggest baby echo chamber I've ever seen. What an absolute child.
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For anyone who doesn't understand the troubles in northern ireland, just imagine a bunch of Phils chanting 'Ulster will fight and Ulster will be right' and 'Ulster says NO'. I think stubborness is a part of their way of life
With a wee gun or two and a 30% chance of police brutality.-Saoirse, west Belfast, NI
"I dont count them as scientists" - "ah oksy" deafening silence
I cannot believe this documentary only got 33k so far. It was brilliant. I wish it were a little over 5 hours and had a lot more content. This was fascinating. You guys did a brilliant job.
This documentary is an episode of a BBC series called Conspiracy Road Trip from 2011. It is indeed brilliant, and luckily it's been seen by a lot more than this upload's viewcount.
I think it's rather pathetic, for example the biologist said about Noah's ark 16:54 "where did the whales go in the ark?" Seriously, is this how a biologist responds in an intellectual debate? Couldn't he stoop lower than that !!!! Either he's making fun of the guys there or he's just a broke imposter hired by the show and was told what to say in front of the camera.
@@leeaal7306 hmmmm floods in that magnitude will change the salt level in water, oxygen level, and water temperature. Fish can't survive in conditions like that. And when water levels are high everywhere and all these creatures die, what do you think will happen to the whales? What will they eat. Will they get infected by all the dead bodies of animals and fish they scavengered. Or will they even eat dead bodies. There are many questions you need to answer because those whales for sure need to be on that magical boat. Otherwise, they're duped.
64k now
@@leeaal7306 Whale just stood in Ocean
phil is just a narc? tbh hes trying to lowkey form a cult while on this journey. yikes! as an agnostic I cannot relate. we are all humans sharing this world for a moment and; communicating our thoughts and trying to learn from eachother is the best thing we can do I think.
As Dr. House said:
"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people"
Many religious persons have sense, including myself. I believe in evolution. I have a degree in Physics which only strengthened my believe in God. And who takes Dr. House, a fictional character, seriously.
@@feurigerStern the statement stands on its own....you cannot reason with religious people
Religion does not equal denial of scientific fact, which is what these people are doing. Religion and science have nothing to do with each other, except for in the minds of some (a lot of) Christians and Muslims who just can't let them stay separate. Many things about religion, such as morality and afterlife, have nothing to do with science. It's like saying science must inform us on what is the most beautiful color. It can't.
@@Aethuviel afterlife is to do with science.....science says when the brain dies thats it
Phil is the kind of person who says he "owned some libs in debate" after this.
he was a typical Christian....horrible
@@paulrichards6894 I think that is unfair. He was dogmatic and obnoxious. But many christians are perfectly nice people, so I would not say he was a 'typical' christian, just not a nice person.
@@1414141x and horrible
@@1414141x some, not many.
Phil seems like a miserable person. And Sam I not quite “there” bless his heart
All the Presbyterians in Northern Ireland are like that. They're one of THE most miserable groups of humans you will ever meet.
I always wonder what the Sumerians thought of this god showing up 6000 years ago to create the world when they'd already been there for 1500 years.
Phil is one frightened little dude, down inside. It's important to remember, though, that someone or some society did this to him. He couldn't help being born into the community he found himself in. He couldn't help it that they refused to teach him critical thinking skills, or just didn't have any themselves. It's just too bad he didn't take the opportunity, like some of the others did, to listen to people outside his small society. But few people are converted overnight. Maybe a seed was planted that will bloom later in life.
PHIL frightened ???,more like frightening.
I don't know what Christian faith Phil was from, but I imagine he may have been Mormon or Jehovahs Witness. Trying to rationlise with young adults on ideologisies that were rammed into their brains as young children is just a waste of time. However intelligent they may be they will not be able to rationalize anything that conflicts with their beliefs. ' Give me the child up to 7 years and I will give you the man.' That is why we had the Nazis and suicide bombers.
Agree
A northern Irish protestant.....he has got a lot of baggage
He’s from the north of Ireland. As I am from the north also, let me say that Phil’s attitudes, fear and hatred, (yes, I said hatred), are common in a certain part of Irish society.-Saoirse, West Belfast, NI
They're learning a valuable lesson. They've probably not been challenged much before on the merits of intelligent design. This is what happens when you graduate from the Kirk Cameron school of utter bs
Even Sheldon cannot persuade his mother to see evolution facts, so there is no way Phil could listen scientists 😂
You never get scientists telling us evolution didn't happen. So many well-funded creationists, and still they can't find a flaw in evolution that can be solved by creationism.
I'm a Christian and I believe in evolution. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive. IMO Only small, closed minded people believe they have to be and haven't considered all possibilities.
I can't argue with you about Christianity but if a Muslim says the same thing (which there are), I'll call bs.
How can you call yourself a Christian, when say you believe in evolution? The Bible literaly says, how we're created by "God image", plus it literaly describes how Women were created... I don't understand how ppl call themselfs Christians when they say they belive in things that clearly go agaisnt the Bible!
@@SMPwhiteshadow I couldn't agree with you more. Christians really should just confront the fact that they have believed lies for all these years. No reasonable person can fault anyone for believing Abrahamic myths before they were confronted with the facts that put the lies to rest. After that your just willfully dumb.
Yes...even the Catholic church says God and what we know about evolution are compatible...
btw, science is very important to the Catholic church...the oldest extant science academy is the Pontifical Academy of Sciences based in the Vatican and has arguably the most Nobel Laureates in Science of any other institution... and many priests were and are scientists..from biologists to chemists, mathematicians and physicists
A collection of adults with the minds of children.
🤣👏🏾 they put their minds and blind faith into the possession of a bunch of scientifically illiterate, misogynistic, desert wondering men who were probably high on some sort of a Opium based drink.
The men of those days had rules and ideals set in place for women…the random wild coincidence is that GOD happen’d to feel the EXACT same way about women and had those rules etch’d in stone🤣
the Irish fella was very childlike
Ok then just say there was a Noah's ark
well how did they get the dinosaur onto the boat because the dinosaur would have eating everything including
Noah himself
that's how you know it just a story,
and also notice how they don't mention the kangaroo's
or is it because Australia hadn't been discovered yet
@@jackwatsonepic626 i agree…how was the Sun created on the FOURTH DAY if “Let There Be Light” was on the FIRST DAY hence…SUN-DAY…first day of the week…but luckily people aren’t able to put that together to critically ponder about.
@@alexquintana1031 it's just a made up story
like the fairies at the bottom of the garden
At first I was angry with these people but at the end I just became very sad. To have your beliefs in the world around you from an ancient old religious book it’s just ridiculous.
They are misguided and committed to the lies they’ve been fed.
You can believe anything you want……..
Believing IS NOT KNOWING.
Religion divides deludes and controls.
Belief starts where evidence stops. That's why the devil in the details is slowly transforming into the god of the ever decreasing gaps.
I agree! That's why I'm always glad to say that Christianity is not a religion, it's a faith. Christianity is not about believing scriptures, it's about knowing God. The scriptures in The Bible are just the first step.
@@timconstable7348 That's an appalling claim, faith is a poor reason to believe in anything. There is no position, no matter how disgusting, that cannot be upheld by your reasoning, because one has faith. I assume that if I told you that I'm a Nigerian Prince who is trying to get $100,000,000 dollars out of Nigeria and have been told that you are an honest and upright individual who will use this windfall well and for God's work, I will be prepared to pay you $10,000,000 to use your bank account to facilitate this transaction. All you need to do is have faith and send me your bank details, will you do that? I sincerely hope you wouldn't, you would want EVIDENCE. Do you hear god when you pray?
@@disgruntledmum4916 Did I say BLIND faith? Didn't I say "The scriptures in The Bible are just the first step"?
Yeah, and apparently so does voodoo science... (and millions of evotards with guilty consciences as proof.)
I can't help but feel that the one tool that is telling everyone to watch what they say is having his myopic world view challenged and he knows he cannot logically defend his positions so he is claiming that they're being bullied. Classic.
It would be interesting to see what creationists think of non-western religious philosphies (and by non-western, I mean anything that is not Judao-Christian or Islamic)
@@ernestebuka.o.9436 What has this to do with the comment of "B L"?
That's easy! The Bible is the Word of God, 100% and completely reliable (regardless of the reliability of our translations and understanding of it). Anything else is - at best - a warped degeneration of The Bible, at worst a deliberate satanic lure away from it. That includes the religion of atheism.
Do you think Chinese who believe in ancestor worship go for evolution?
@@timconstable7348 You are projecting. There is no 'religion of atheism'. What makes you think a lack of belief in something is a religion? Do you believe fire breathing dragons are real? No?
Well, I suppose that means you are religious concerning your non-belief in fire breathing dragons.
@@travisbicklepopsicle3255 Atheism is not a lack of belief in something. It is a belief in the lack of something, i.e. a supernatural God. The starting point in not a lack of belief that there may be such a thing as the supernatural, it is a belief that there is no supernatural.
No wonder why we are more divided than united. No tolerance, compassion or love among these guys. So much anger and hostility within a week!! This is not a true representation of God who is LOVE! This show is proof that we still have a long way to go as humans.
Agreed
It's really weird to hear Brits espousing these kinds of views. I mean I guess in any population of millions of people you can find someone who believes just about anything, but I always thought this was pretty uniquely an American problem.
Its a white anglo saxon thing in general whether they are American or English WASPs.
Apparently most American Christians are not creationists. I wouldn’t really know, I was only raised around creationists in America (before living my own life)
Okay unrelated comment to the video but I like these. It feels like I'm sitting in my dad's office and watching documentaries on the TV and it's cool
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Loved this, really enjoyable watch. Would like to see republican Americans on tour in Europe checking out the healthcare systems, or even brexit supporters shown what they’ve lost.
@benjamin bessette yeah, we could find out how much it costs to go to hospital once I got slapped, great idea bud sounds like good tv. Entertaining, emotional and educational.
when you show them the data on how much health care costs in the USA compared to Europe, republicans insist the numbers are wrong, and that there is some hidden cost that Europeans are paying that isn't in the chart to make the USA so much more expensive. they reject the economic data just like the scientific data.
@@mrdylanhannah that was an awesome comeback. 😂
@@mrdylanhannah
Health care costs nothing in the UK. We have the NHS. So, if you do receive a hard slap, then you may be treated free of charge.
@@Billy2011C he’s talking about taxes, not comprehending that the American system is just intrinsically faulty and more expensive, because it’s against his beliefs. I suppose he’s a rockhard theist, too.
I love this. This is literally giving people a chance to express perspectives but also to give scientific knowledge.
To any believers in creationism: don't fear enquiry. Don't fear looking at evidence. Don't fear grappling with understanding. God would never punish that. God would never punish a genuine desire to know and understand the truth, the truth of the real nature of Nature.
Some of the participants in this doco seemed reluctant to let their guards down. The moment something appeared that seemed to them might contradict their current understanding, you could see the guards thrown up. They were too afraid to listen wholeheartedly and allow even for a moment the possibility that what these learned people were saying might hold a modicum of truth, that after reflection they might incorporate into their worldview.
God doesn't punish open-mindedness, learning and attempts at rational thought, and identifying truth and falsehoods. God is nothing if not truth itself.
To always shun new ideas is to be wrong in one's beliefs. God will still love you if you are wrong, but you will live in fear and be ignorant of how things really are. You will be a Phil.
I believe that to love truth is to love God.
Blind belief in the bible will not lead you to truth. At the very least, learn the history of the bible's origin: it wasn't sent to earth on an angel's errand, it was written and compiled by multiple authors and editors over many centuries, maybe some of whom were inspired by God, but just as easily maybe also some who were less so. They had different cultures, levels and types of education, and agendas. It is a human creation and humans are fallible. Just as you don't believe everything said by your fellow humans of today, you should also read the bible with a discerning outlook: keep what seems good advice, what is loving and pure and brings you closer to God. Ignore or even outright reject anything that doesn't lead to the goals of spiritual love, and genuine truth and understanding. Consider it a tool in your spiritual journey, not a brick to weigh you down in your quest for truth and the real nature of God.
Creationism is just like conspiracy theorists.. it's either god did it or the government covered it up. An easy answer to a difficult question
These guys are mind boggling. I get that some people need a „deeper meaning“ in their lives, because they can’t cope with reality - so they fill it with a god of choice that their parents liked or they heard about. But this? This is just insane. Facts are facts, you can’t argue with them, you can’t choose to ignore them and believe something else. Not unless you don’t want to bee seen as a lunatic by normal people…
I liked that it ended "there has to be a god for me too". Crazy
The delusion is mind blowing 🤯
in 2014 84% of the world's population believed in a god..I suspect its a touch lower now
Indeed! I can understand belief in a religion to give you morals, community and a guide on how to live. That's what it's for. It isn't for you to close yourself off to the truth and science! I always think, if they needed open heart surgery, would they want someone who operates according to the Bible or science? I don't think God would have given people the ability to think just to see them waste it in these ways. Eh, but what do I know?🤷🏻♀️
The one thing that got me the most on this is when Phil basically said humans and animals were different. That humans were so much more superior than animals.......
Each animal is amazing in its own right, and humans are just another species, humans are animals not something seperate. For me never disrespect any living creature we share this world with, that is a dangerous place to be!
I couldn't agree more! Our fellow animals are freaking insanely interesting and complex and make Phil look like a complete simpleton toddler having a dummy spit.
Although i don't find that Phil said that, i agree with him. Why did you link being superior as being disrespect? Human are superior cause the ability they have especially in thinking over other animal, that doesn't make human must be disrespectful towards animal. Human are superior cause that just the fact but they must be respectful towards others, i think it is better this way.
It is true what you said that each animal are amazing but it's also a fact that some have more abilities than others, or 'superior' than others either in overall traits or in certain traits.
Peace.
All living things maintain the critical balance of nature
The perfect excuse to treat animals as bad as we do. Strange though when it comes to animal testing for medication we are suddenly the same.
@Lolly, uuh no. You can't compare a human being to an animal. The life of a human being is not like the life of an animal. Yes,animals should be treated well and not killed for sport or abused,absolutely, but animals and human beings are not equals.
As you know, you only practice a belief if you are located at a distance from the truth, and are thus are located within the zone of "Less Than Truth". So, if you stick to your belief, then you stick to being located within the zone of less than truth. And that is what most of mankind is doing.
53:28, looking at Phil face, really show how fundamental he is to his religion or beliefs
Aw I love Jojo she is so nice and pleasant throughout this whole thing.
There are people even today who believe that earth is flat.
@@Jason787 So is Delaware.
@@Jason787 ! Yeah way too much flat. 😂😂😂😂
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There is no clearer evidence of evolution than the discovery of the Tiktaalik, a transitional species between fish and amphibians. Before its discovery, evolutionary biologists and archeologists predicted that this species must exist, predicted where it would be found, and roughly what it looked like. All of those predictions came true. It's close to impossible to make a series of predictions come true if the basis for that prediction is a false theory.
Great documentary. Thank you so much for this.
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I love this and I love how petty they are…I love the distain you can see in their faces for each other even though they share the same beliefs..my final thoughts is that God, Religion, Patriotism, Tribalism etc….is the worlds foremost problem.
If you remove humans from the planet…there would be no good or evil..there would be no Satan and God…it just feels like we created God and ascribed human characteristics to “him”
Why do we always ascribe human characteristics to things like plants and animals. Stars/Constellations…GOD/Devil etc…
I'm genuinely curious, what are the worlds foremost solutions in your opinion? also as far as i know, religion (or whatever else) didn't murder anyone. A man murders other men out of their own choice. Whether they rationalized it through religion, science, patriotism or anything else of the sort. The words of Muhammed or Jesus didnt pull a trigger or thrust the blade just as atomic theory didnt kill all theose people in japan. A man without God or religion can be just as "evil" as a man with God or religion. same goes for a man of science and morality and a man without.
humans ascribe human qualities to things because being human is all we know and its the only way to partially understand and connect with certain things. we ascribe human qualities to dogs because we want to be friends with dogs(or any other cuddly animal). to do so you have to belive that they are at least, in some way, slightly like humans. we like animals that love because we ourselves have that capacity. We don't know if the animal even experiences love like we do, we just say that dog loves its owner as its owner loves their dog. Or you feel connected to your car so you name it. Lacking the connection you would have never named it
@@wanyudomonk9758 the problem has to be acknowledge before a solution in which I do not have a solution but I sure can see the problem. More people have been killed in the name of God and religion than anything I can think of.
In the Bible this “GOD” has a higher kill count than anything else because of his great ego demanding he is the “only God” to be worshipped..it’s a cult, all of them even Christianity who tries to have a monopoly over spirituality…oh plus they want your money🤣
@@alexquintana1031 I don't think the main problem is religion, or let's say groups of certain beliefs. The main problem is the lack of tolerance concerning different living/thinking people, which sadly had an evolutionary purpose when humans weren't dominating life. Still, as it is intergrated into human nature we'll have to wait for either, evolution to happen or a catastrophy.
The concept of existence is to much for any human to handle, you either accept that you'll never quite understand even 1% of it or you adopt a simple world view with some Deus ex machina built in for any possible critique. As humans are scared of the unknown, it is no surprise that many people need to cling to some certainty, even if constructed.
So Phil here accuses 'godless' people from wanting to avoid the 'baggage' of Christ, which I will interpret as accountability. And then Phil proceeds to try and avoid accountability by not addressing the man in front of him directly (at the end, with the rocks) and instead insulting him by using words like 'these people'.
Furthermore, while I do like the presenter (in the way that he was calm and composed), I feel a lot of opportunities like this to point out irregularities in their reasoning where completely ignored. When people rebuke, please give them the opportunity to elaborate on their claim of 'conjecture' instead of outright saying 'no no no look at the evidence'. If you want to convince someone of your standpoint, you first need to open up yourself and be prepared to be convinced yourself. You cannot call someone close-minded and unwilling to accept your standpoint if you went in there with the express purpose of winning them over to YOUR side without considering the 'other way around' option.
Well said! The whole concept of those "mind-changing" road-trip series is flawed to begin with. The "good/real" view is established before you even see the participants. If you want to compare 2 opposing beliefs, you need to give each side the same opportunity to present their arguments and subsequent criticisms in a balanced manner. Only then can you really talk about an unbiased clash of ideas.
Most importantly, it should always be done in respectful language as well. Insulting your ideological opponent will only put up barriers and make a constructive debate impossible.
Loved this!! Thanks for the upload.
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I think it's time we stop pretending to respect peoples' "faith," and acknowledge it as the mental illness that it is. Letting your brother live under a cloud of delusion unabashed is not respect.
Imagine one kind of mammal living in some environment. Eating the same stuff in all that territory. Some type of grass that grows there plentifull. Now imagine a great flood that floods part of that territory. It now has become some kind of wetland territory where the old kind of grass can not be eaten anymore. The other part is not flooded. The animal in the wetlands will have to search for something else as main foodsource. If these two groups are isolated enough geographically and start to eat different things they will change eventually. Problem is that most people think that they change because of some kind of magic. Its much simpler then that. Every new generation is never exactly the same like the previous one. Between 4 siblings you can have differences in length of every organ, from a bigger hart to bigger claws. If there is a pressure from the environment that prefers one characteristic instead of the other offspring that has it has a better chance of survival. When they survive, that trait survives in their dna and they pass it over to the next generation. So we see a growth of the horse through evolution. From an animal that was as big as a dog we have now very big horses. Had a lot to do with the food they ate. But you will say, its still a horse. Or take the penguin. Its obvious its a bird. All features say its a bird, from bones to the anatomy. But they cant fly. So we can presume there was a time where they could fly. But they are too heavy to fly today. They are you could say evolving between land animals to seaanimals. There was a time probably that they lived mostly on land and didnt swim or swim only coincidentally. The more they swam for fish, the more the offspring that could swim better had an advantage. Because the better swimmers had more offspring and the genes for better swimming were given to the next generation. The ones that didnt swim well had lesser offspring. Over time the swimmers will dominate the lesser swimmers. This means that each generation the body will adapt more to a life in the sea. Its obvious that the penguins living in 50000 years will swim better then the ones today. Simply because this mechanism never stops. Again the better swimmers of all good swimmers will have more offspring etc, etc. So in a few millions years you could have an animal that was flying once and that now swims 24/7. Well, we have that already. Dolphins and other wales are originally landanimals that transitioned to the sea. You can sea it in the fact that they have a very bad way of breathing in water. They need to get air every once in a while. Otherwise they will die. Its far from perfect. But it paid off. There was plenty to eat in the oceans. So animals dont want to change. Animals need to change in a changing environment. If the environment and foodsource is stable they will not change or change very little.
either side will never accept anything that goes against the grain to what they believe
Science isn't a belief.
@@k7450 yes it is. Scientist are not unbiased people who look for truth. They conviniantly pick evidence to support their theroies. Basically Liars.
@@cloroxbleach3809 so like Christians? They pick evidence from the Bible to support their theories....... You have just said something that works both ways!
You can try (because complete awareness is impossible) to see the world or you can believe in it. It's a choice. One gives questions, the other answers (However true or false they may be). Now you know why people choose one over the other.
I can tell right off the bat that none of these 'creationists' have no more than a High school education - if even that.
Andrew should do more of this stuff, he's really good at it
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he has theres like 2 more episodes
A man convinced against his will, is of the same mind still
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An Irishman hm? The Irish have done a lot for science and the world.
And just like as a Celt I like feeling the connection with other Celts, one major motivation for religious people is feeling connected with each other, even if that means turning a blind eye (or 2) on facts and reality.
Man like Sam rocking the R&S records t-shirt!
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I find it a little ironic though that there's not one Catholic on board I mean, of all Christians faiths 90% of those people are Catholic it's just the Protestant base have a little louder voice it seems. But if they had of added a Catholic on board they would have reached more of a consensus with the scientists because as Catholics we explore both and one is not contrary to the other, there is a place for science and religion. It's about remaining open and willing to listen and draw your own conclusion!
I am genuinely interested in understanding how one can believe in both science and god at the same time. I ask humbly and not to attack your belief. I genuinely believe everyone has a right to their beliefs and I respect them even if they differ from mine.
*side note: I agree, a catholic should have been on the trip.
@@jojox6145 I'm probably not the best person to answer this question but I kind of understand it this way.... Like say how they say the world was created in 7 days well our days are based on a rotation of our planet to the Sun. If you're on another existence or even if you are from a different planet a day for you would not be a day for us. So it was explaining to me that A Day in heaven could be 10,000 years on Earth 🌎
So if a scientists say that such and such happened 20 million years ago..... That doesn't really contradict because time is different on Earth than it is in heaven so in my opinion THEY'RE BOTH RIGHT!
I HOPE THAT MADE SENSE LOL 😊♥️
@@jojox6145 Well, you need to keep in mind that religion involves beliefs. Science is based on evidence, no beliefs required.
When I was growing up I learned from my pastor that if anything conflicts with scripture, it must be wrong. AIG and other Christian creationist organizations have 'statements of faith' on their websites that say the same thing. This creates problems for many people. During Galileo's time, for example, the Church sentenced Galileo to house arrest-- just because he looked through a telescope and saw things that conflicted with the religious beliefs of the time.
The Church was wrong. We know the Earth is not the center of the universe, based on direct observations of nature.
We also know that the universe was not created over a period of days and then finished. The universe is never finished. We observe galaxies in various stages of formation, we see stars going through their life cycles, we see that the universe is still forming stars; the Milky Way galaxy gains a star or two every year.
Unfortunately, many people still think science is based on beliefs and opinions. We see this all the time-- some Christians deny the fact of biological evolution, for example, because they interpret scripture in ways that conflict with observed reality.
This problem won't exist forever. Now that we have internet, religions are slowly dying out. With each new generation, more and more people are learning what evolution actually is, and that science is not about beliefs. It's about observations of the real world, and forming hypotheses and theories based on those observations.
@@maxotto9877 Yes and no. If we are talking about the limits of what science knows, we get to such abstract concepts where the belief in some higher power/order is not incompatible. What is though, is the literal belief of religious scriptures. Those are incompatible with science. But not all religious poeple are that delusional
@@maxotto9877 well, there is but one problem. Science can't and never will (as long as we don't evolve as a species) IMO be able to give a definite answer to existence and life. Science did show us that we as humans are only so much aware of our existence (some animals see/hear outside of our limits -> we know it's physically possible, but can only imagine how p.ex. infra-red would really look like => we created sensors who translate in for us visible colors, but this is a construction).
As our brains are not capable of overcoming certain limits, for me there defenitly is some gray area where religion and science kinda overlap.
Ex.: if God is real, what was before/created God? And what was before that? => goes on infinitely
If the big bang is really a thing, what was before, what made it happen? And what was/happened before that? => same, goes on infinitely.
See the paralleles? Both religion and science created a starting point, as we can't really perceive infinity. We "know" the concept of it, but cannot quite understand it wholy.
So I think that both, God or the big bang are some kind of "anchors" to position ourselves in this unexplainable thing we call beeing. Humans are afraid of the unknown, so we need some security through explanations, even if false.
So I do see some common points and possibility of beeing religious/spiritual and rational at the same time, as rationality and logic (human concepts as well don't forget) are lacking as well.
But isn't the vastness and mystery of life what makes it worth living?
I could easily predict the outcome of this experiment. You will never change the mind of a committed creationist no matter how much evidence you show him. It's called "blind faith" for a reason.
I would have thought that blind faith would be more like insisting that nobody was responsible for the existence of, say, St Paul's Cathedral. In the physical world we know that creation and design is literally everywhere, so to claim that nobody designed St Paul's would contradict the evidence.
With the knowledge that humans are, by nature, creative, that in itself is enough for us to ask "Where did the ability to create originate?"
Faith of course, being faith, involves believing things that can't be scientifically, demonstrably, proven. But having faith that we have a creator is informed by what we observe in the natural world, so I don't entirely agree with the use of the term "blind faith".
@@richardfraser5060 Either I dont get what your point is with the "blind faith" thing and/or your whole reply is contradictory.
@a basketboy biological evolution is not a belief, it's an observed fact of nature. Evolutionary theory is applied science.
@a basketboy yes I got your comments I'm not always on UA-cam I will get to your comments when I have time ,, your comments popped up on my phone notifications, sometimes it takes me days to get back to people on UA-cam that's just the way it is
I call is willful ignorance, not blind faith.
As an American woman who has chosen to live as much like the Yeshua bar Joseph (which admittedly was a common name for the time) biographied in the New Testament as I can, I think that the beauty of this piece of film is that no matter what you believe it is a decision of faith.
I think that the biologist was particularly insulting; it would be absurd for whales or any other aquatic species, bacteria, or microorganism to be put in the boat; the debris created by a massive flood would provide ample living and foraging space. There’s no need for either side to be belittling.
Watched all of it, good show
There is something what I don’t know? We can’t be alone in all this universe, this never ending blackness? It’s mind boggling. Keep safe and well out there with this virus.❤️❤️
I think once we pass that’s when we find out all lives secrets. The universe is never ending there is something and I hope it’s a better place, than this earth. Best regards to you and yours Max keep safe and well.
If you really want to show something like this the debate should be in the same level..the people are normal people with low level knowledge about religion and other stuffs.
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Well, at least someone who remembers how the Bible claims able got a wife
I can't get over adults being on a trip, acting like elementary school kids, talking like elementary school kids, clapping and cheering for each other after little elementary school level speeches...
The people of the ancient times were wise.
They just let the dumb of the world believe whatever they want to believe and didn't waste their time and energy trying to educate them.
Except there's no real debate. Evolution happened and is happening. Literally all evidence points to it.
The idea that there's a controversy is nonsense.
there is no proof of evolution. the example of human beings evolving from monkeys is not true cuz we only find fossils of human beings and monkeys and not the creatures forming in between.
@@abdulmoen First of all, get a basic grasp of what evolution actually is. Then I'll educate you further.
@@ScienceFoundation first of all get yourself educated before you talk about educating someone lol
@@mgmmj6664 My Masters in cell & molecular biology does just fine.
@@ScienceFoundation on paper sure lol
Most people can't see the truth. Only a handful can see differently. They majority see the sun rise, rather than see the Earth rotate. They see a car speed up, slow down, or perhaps even come to a complete stop, and they do so even though that car is always in motion, and the magnitude of that motion, never ever changes. All that can be changed, is the direction of which the car is moving within the 4D environment known as Space-Time. That is why the faster it moves through space, the slower it is moving across the dimension of time, and vise versa.
I agree mostly, just that nobody can see the truth. As we humans are not completely conscious of our existence and world we live in, which we know, we'll never be able to see/understand the whole truth. We can only try and approch as near as possible. Oh, and anyways, everyone lives in their own little world, even complete understanding of other humans is not possible, as words and thoughts are always interpreted and cannot completely represent your impression of life.
The car has a velocity. It can be measured 0……. To a drag limit. I get your idea but it’s useless in day to day use and incorrect. The world rotates but it’s a constant and not felt and therefore more of a background concept. Velocity is the measurement of time and distance. You need to know velocities to determine magnitude. It’s a simple equation and changes. Just because we are on a ball spinning doesn’t mean we can accelerate? How would you move on the ball?
57 mins of trying to fix stupid
Hahaha...read my mind!
The positive is that there may be those not so deeply entrenched in their beliefs though that can start on a different way of thinking after seeing this. I had never seen that geyser/rock formation at Gerlach but I have heard the abiogenesis hypothesis that it demonstrates. But Phil is the kind of man who it would take very little to persuade that his god wants him to kill others, and that's why literal belief in any god is so dangerous.
It's not faith. It's comfortable to think we as a species matter and it gives people a sense of belonging and its comfortable in a community. But once you step out of that sameness it's scary and hard work to redefine who you want to be. Not impossible though if you think that we are and never have been alone in this vast universe. We are spiritual and that means different things to everyone. I was a born again Christian for 25 years it started me on a journey I've now lived in 5 different countries with all the major religions, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism and all seek the same thing, meaning and love. I have friends from every spectre of life.
Australia's Classiest Master Thieves. Can you please make that video available in Australia??
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Although this has been said by someone, but I cannot find this comment, so gonna remake it
Moral of this documentary: you still can’t convince creationists, even with the evidence backing science and studies of evolution
In my point of view, creationism can still exist alongside science.
It may take millions of years to see evolutionary changes, but perhaps it’s deeper than that on a spiritual level?
Perhaps it did happen over millions of years and all things in all of reality are laws governed by god?
Or perhaps like Jesus said, “I am God, you are God, all things are God”, maybe we are just a hypothetical creation within the mind of a God that knows everything created was itself thats why every human explains the unexplainable via Gods Will?
We could be nothing but an extension of an imagination within the consciousness of a God with the knowledge of infinity and we’re physical observers within a complex infinite reality consciousness with a lifetime not even considered a glimpse in the long history of the beginning of reality.
Pure cope
Typical Christian approach. A part of the Bible is empirically disproven so you just slot God in somewhere else.
“God created Adam and Eve!”
Well, no he didn’t because evolution is proven.
“Then God created evolution.”
Putting big words in a jumble doesn’t a philosopher make.
A philosopher uses big words to describe that which modern woke words cannot.
Because to describe the universe outside is one thing, the universe within us all is much more complex and requires intrinsic, more in depth terms to describe something we have not yet to discover,
Wisdom is a prison, you can indulge in knowledge of your surroundings, or let your imagination create it for you.
Because once you know, there’s no forgetting .. the magic image your brain created of that subject is gone now that you know exactly what it’s made of or it’s limitations.
It's like knowing Santa is a fictional character and still going ahead and believing he's real.😬 What people believe in, is scary, especially when they think it's their bounden duty to convince others of the same.
49:00Phil took sam out to the carnival, got him ice cream and took him on the merry go round to win him to his side
A whale doesn't need to go on the boat because it lives in water
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Exactly what I was thinking 😂 it’s not a religion thing it’s just common sense 😂
It needs salt water. The flood would have diluted the water to the point where salt water life would die.
soa amana..apparently its not common sense
Nah..The conditions a global flood would create would not be survivable by any water dwelling animals, except maybe plankton and some bacteria. Life can't survive with such drastic changes to its environment.
Think of what a global flood would do.. all the garbage, feces, millions of dead humans and other animals, fresh and saltwater all mixed together.. not a pleasant environment for most lifeforms.
So the Flintstones is based on fact then?
31:45 Don't think Maxwell had heard what Jim was really up to
"Phil has given the church a clean bill of health"
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Ok, I’m a bit concerned about the welfare of the animals in that trainer’s place. They’re in cages and Billy had a chain around his neck 😞
I'm not a big bible thumper .. but the bible clearly states "His thought are not our thoughts, His ways are not out ways" .... Just because we interpret it one way or another doesn't make it right. He could be talking about something completely different or creating another picture.... Its a bunch of non sense to even fight about it. The point of it is to spread love and spread the good news flat out... Then again that's my thoughts which no other human should put a whole lot of weight on..
Agreed. And you are certainly entitled to your beliefs. I'm not a bible thumper either - I don't think there's a bible within a 1/2 mile of me to even thump on. I have no problem with any ideas until they're used to harm others for not believing the same.
Wow another vague Bible verse, the human writers that came up with this fairytale were admittedly genius
@@mypud4068 ya think?
@@mypud4068 wish you could make soething as long lasting huh?
Why would a powerful force like god leave a cryptic riddle that can be misinterpreted at the drop of a dime? it's ludicrous.
the question is basically whether There is a Higher planner or not? i would look at our creation as if it were a matter of method of existence. if we were a single gender procreating on our own , what would be the reason for interaction? but some higher will set a method of interactions so that there be reason for intellect and reason for us to fit a bigger picture.
My girlfriend left her job and spent 10 years reading and studying ancient and modern bibles. The outcome? Not one religion can claim that they are right.
@@BillHicks420 😂 She was a devout Christian and wanted to get to the bottom of it ie she felt as though she’d been scammed. She is now an gnostic.
Ask her to just spend 10 months reading and studying Quran, and researching on Islam from original sources not from electronic media, and she will have all the answers she was looking for
@@MrCourageousguy Have you heard of the Sa'na manuscripts? The oldest (acknowledge) copies of the Quran in existence are from the 7th and 8th century, yet the Sa'na manuscripts are older and show alterations. (The first version of the Quran was produced BECAUSE it was noted by Uthman that the stories of the Quran were changing).
@@disgruntledmum4916 thats a self proclaimed story you are telling me, no truth in that
@@MrCourageousguy so you hadn't then?
Evolution Vs Creationists - Aka Science vs Scientifically illiterate people.
Because you ever bothered to do any research into ANY of this. I'm guessing you have a 6th grade level understanding of evolution. Just like 99% of people who go on comments sections calling people "ignorant" or "scientifically illiterate". Tell me what Darwin's biggest conundrum was?
You mean we cant blow up a nuke and get the Mount Rushmore by accident? I taught that was normal, in land far, far away, over billions of years will for sure erode every mountain to carve Abraham Lincoln's face on it, no? Maybe add a few hundred of trillions of years and that will fix it for sure, no? Ok then add an infinite number of universes, that will fix it right? While in other H. C. Andersen tales, nothing exploded and created everything, this you believe tough... Yeah we are the crazy ones....
Only religious illiterate people and closed, small minded evolutionists believe the 2 have to be mutually exclusive. I'm Christian and believe in evolution. Not all Christians are like these people and believe the world is only a few thousand years old. Probably try educating yourself before throwing stones.
@@amysnews6808Please show me where i said or implied all Christians are like these people? You're manufacturing a fake situation then responding to it like it means anything. That's a text book Strawman fallacy.
@@rekleif Thank you for demonstrating your complete misunderstanding of the Cosmic inflation (Big bang) theory and validating my points.
not really sure why anyone would think a whale would need to go in the ark; i mean cant they swim?
The oxygen levels, salt levels, pressure, and temperature of the sea would change dramatically to the point where all aquatic life would have died off. The bible describes the flood water to be higher than the tallest mountain which is mount Everest.
Ah but every creature was taken into the ark...... sea creatures are creatures..... I think the scientist was just questioning their theory, and they didn't have an answer!
Haha!! You read my mind!
And he proclaimed himself to be a scientist!
@@lozzylols How would you keep two whales on a ship? A blue whale can be 110 feet, how do they stick two of those on a 510ft boat with space for everything else? How would they even keep them alive with no modern water filtration systems which are required to keep aquatic animals alive? Have you kept an exotic difficult to keep species of fish before? There are 212,000 known aquatic species alone, they'd need to keep over 400,000 species alive on that boat with 2 blue whales taking up almost half of the space. There are over 1 million species of known insects and about 30,000 species of mammals, birds, and reptiles. How do you keep all of them alive on a boat? What happens when you get off the boat, the predators are no longer being fed by humans and are free again but if they killed ANY animal they would wipe out an entire species. Explain this to me.
That Phil is terrified, he's one crisis away from topping himself. He's holding on very very tightly. I suspect something dramatic/terrible has happened to that man.
If whales can breathe underwater why did that man suggest they will need to join the ark/boat to not drown from being under water……?
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because whales live in salt water, they cannot exist in sweet water, and the flood would make a huge layer of sweet water above the salt water
As 'Abdul mentioned I have no idea why they want to tie the flood of Prophet Nuh عليه السلام into the origins of the Grand Canyon. I believe that Allah created Grand Canyon and I have no idea when. As regards to the existence of dinosaurs I do not know if they existed or not nor if they were on the boat of Nuh عليه السلام. Whales would not need to get on the boat so that's a weird question.
Do you really think whales would survive a global flood? Millions of dead humans and other animals, garbage, feces, all the fresh water and saltwater mixed together.. not sure that would be a survivable environment for whales. Or any sea creatures, really. Perhaps plankton and some species of bacteria could live thru it.
Religious bullshit.
this entire show presented a biblical world view, i dont know why abdul was there tbh. the islamic view is far removed from this
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Islam is based, like Christianity and Judaism, on the teachings of Abraham.
Islam believes Jesus hasn’t come yet, and Jews believe he hasn’t nor ever will.
Other than that there’s not much difference. Same 10 commandments, same Old Testament.
Ths madness called "creationism is based upon a malicious translation of the Hebrew verb "bara." Bara should be read as to separate, to cut apart, to divide, to renew. Genesis one is about the separtion of the year into six months of darkness (the six nights) aka winter and the six months of light (six days) aka summer. This is illustrated in the Last Supper by Leonardo Davinci.
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Maybe you should write it up in a paper.
Zero come back.
I am positive they still think that humans aren't animals either that we are a special species very elite and we deserve more than all other animals.
Yeah I never really understood why people assumed we were superior, interconnected absolutely, superior not even in the slightest.
I have seen this video a couple of years ago. Good to watch it again. A pity that they used Prothero and Coyne as the 'explaining' scientists. These guys are also hardcore atheists, with no sympathy for those poor creationists. There are plenty of Christian scientists who would have done a better job in addressing their fears and concerns.
they brought up some good points though. "How would you fit whales on the ark" is such a simple question but it completely baffled them because they've never actually critically thought about a single thing they believe.
Well they brought a Christian palaeontologist and only judged his faith
Physics don’t care about feelings.
@@MrBobbo18 Yes but people are essentially emotional. And emotions are much more evolutionary ancient and dominant than any rational faculties. So to assume otherwise and argue from that is pretty irrational.
Interesting
Approximately 56 minutes into the program during the conclusion one of the participants suggests that maybe evolution is the way God created the world. I believe this is the most enlightened perspective in the entire production. Both science and religion are approaches to truth. There can be only one truth therefore science and religion must be in harmony. if religion does not agree with science then that religious thinking is superstition or a wrong interpretation. It must agree with science, but neither can science negate the truths of religion. Just because science cannot yet prove certain religious truths does not make them untrue, our science has simply not become subtle enough to prove some truths.
For a scientific proof for the existence of God (an Uncaused Cause), see William Hatcher, A Logical Proof of the Existence of God
Why would there be WHALES on the ark ???
But nobody mentioned that the ark didn't have any KANGAROOS
I read this in an Australian accent
Hahahahah
If the flood had indeed happened the temperature, pressure and salt content would have been completely different killing all marine life.
I don't believe it literally but ....why would whales need an ark?
Not to mention the giants (which YHWH, in the Genesis myth, summoned the magical flood to kill) were not wiped out by the flood. Basically, his creation acts how he creates them to act, he gets upset with his own failure and summons a magical flood to wipe them out, kills everything else, but the giants still survived. Kind of a screw up, no?
@@erikjohnson8430 I think it's a myth, based on probably an actual global flood, since it crops up in other religions too. Some animals and people survived. Nothing to do with the existence of God or otherwise of course.....
@@seekingthemiddleway4048 I can respect your willingness to come that far, but I would offer you the thought-food that flood myths crop up in many places because floods were extremely dangerous and threatened people everywhere they relied on natural water cycles, as well as the fact that many of the flood myths (including the biblical one) come from the same Mesopotamian source. Another good example of the "common myth" fallacy is the wide spread worship of the sun around the world far into prehistory. This doesn't make the big ball of burning gas at the center of our solar system an intelligent being worthy of worship.
@@seekingthemiddleway4048 I've wondered if the flood stories are based upon race memories (oral stories) of the ice sheets retreating.
you would understand this question if you had ever survived a chaotic flood👍
Wow that guy is enough to put me off religion for ever. The least Christian behaving "Christian" He was the only bully in this documentary.
Seriously, the scientist’s question at lake Powell about where would the whales go on the ark…why would the whales need a place to go during a flood? Are they going to drown from all that water?
No, but the mixture of salt with nonsalt water will have impacts on aquatic life. Would all animals from different continents survive if they were in Antarctica? No, because some don’t have characteristics that would allow them to survive im a cold climate. Certain oceans like the pacific is more acidic than the Atlantic. So having a worldwide flood would heavily impact the conditions in the environment which many animals would not be able to survive in. There are epilagical zones and continental shelfs that contributes to the food cycle and ecology of the aquatic biomes. With a flood, it would eliminate those environments and cause many species to become extinct. If there was a flood there would he a mass extinction, with no recorded trace of a mass extinction happening there would have never been a biblical flood.
@@megatech9938 Good point. However, we have no idea what, if any, change it would have made to the water composition. The biblical account talks about the sea floor opening up and springs bursting forth so the water from that would have been considerably different.
The earth 🌎 is 6 billion years old
And who create the creator?😳 😭😭😭
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That has been proved to be one of the stupidest questions atheists ask! Atheists fundamentally believe there is no such thing as the 'supernatural' (or the metacosm as I prefer to call it). But look at the hypocrisy involved: for example, the Big Bang theories are (also) the result of materialist/ uniformitarian thinking where the only stuff that is real is stuff we can experience (even if aided by instruments) with our physical senses. Like neo-Darwinian evolution. it is also based on speculations founded on unproveable assumptions. Yet the numbers don't work, so they have to invoke fudge factors such as dark matter and dark energy - stuff which BY DEFINITION we can't experience with our physical senses! Yet Quantum theory points to the reality of the metacosm (for example, invoking up to 6 further dimensions that we are not equipped to experience), something which The Bible has been saying all through history!
@@timconstable7348 but i believe in karma if everyone believe in karma 🌎 gonna be a better place
@@ernestebuka.o.9436 ok scammer
@@timconstable7348 You have no idea what atheism is.
Speak to a few people who have had NDE (near death experience) and you will get your answer about past and future 😲 (Jeff Mara podcast) 🤫
Australia 💕 Christina
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@@ernestebuka.o.9436 Your answers to comments are getting boring.
Met a girl once, and initially, I thought she was a bit crazy but thought I'd try to get her more.
Then she told me she is a deep follower of god and started throwing all of the nonsense at me. Biggest turn-off ever lol. To each their own I guess..
Phil = Ostrich with head in the sand.