What on Earth Happened to the Goths?
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Who were the ancient Goths of Europe, and how did they go from conquerors of the Roman Empire, to the strange underground subculture we see today? Today we will discuss the history of the Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Vandals and other relevant groups from around this time period, and how they managed to dominate Europe, if only for the briefest of moments, only to fall into obscurity in only a matter of decades (or did they?)
Please let me know your thoughts on the Goths as a nation, culture, kingdom and their influences on our modern societies today. Thanks for watching!
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Fun Fact: The surname "Rodriguez" actually hails from the last Visigothic King of Hispania "Roderic". "Rodriguez" is Latin for "Son of Rodrigo or Roderic" :)
The surname Mendiola comes from the name of the 6th century visigoth prince hermenegild.
Roderick Rules
Wow interesting! Truly a fun fact if I've ever seen one.
I'm Brazilian and one of my surnames is Rodrigues (in portuguese It ends with an s), and its really interesting to see from where It comes from
Rodriget.
The word *barbarian* was never specific to Goths or Germans. It comes from ancient greek *barbaroi* which means >stranger< and was applied by the Graeco-Roman civilization to everybody else.
No, it is not. Just search it up and you will find out you are wrong.
Yes, it is. Just search it up and you will find out that he is right.
It's Greek and this word literally mean "the br-br-sayers", so basically everyone who could not or only bad speak Greek. It's kinda like the modern english "blahblah". And it refered to everyone who wasn't Greek. Well, actually, greek people sometimes even called other Greeks Barbars.
The Romans took that word from the Greeks like so many other things they got from their neighbours.
barbar comes from what you said "blahblah", not "stranger"
both of you are correct, a stranger language the greeks couldn't understand sounded like " brah brah brah" or "blah blah blah" so they used to call non greek prople "barbar" => "the people who make barbarbar sound when they talk"
Barbarian came from barba. Even today in Italian same like in latin means beard. Is nothing to the language. Why if you need haircut going to the barber? Because he speaks barbaric language or because he came from Germany?
3:04 rip right ear
ouch
It made me think my audio was fucking up, glad rewinding exists.
the reason it scared me is because i'm currently using this video to test my pc to see if its still broken >.> and audio glitches are the start of the problem i'm having. so i got trolled pretty good
dat hurt :'(
never use headphones
Im Spanish, and my anscestors on father and mother side come from two areas that were heavily settled by Visigoths. My granparents town, has one of the few visigothic churches left in Spain. In that town, the gothic language was alive till the 6 or 8th century.
Im 1,84 cm have blond hair, red cheecks, blue-green eyes and every time i go abroad im confused as German, Dutch or a Swede. Even in Spain Im always confused as a foreigner and people ask me were did i learn to speak spanish so well haha. Even my family relatives are all very germanic looking. We are all big and blond. I guess im a descendant of those goths, so the answer to this video would be they settled in the Remains of the Roman Empire and assimilated there.
Alex that’s actually very interesting. Before I had believed that Germanic culture had full diminished in Iberia because of the moors. It’s also very cool to know that the Germanic blood is still prominent in Spain and still runs in many. As for me, I think I’m a descendant of the celts because I have far too many red haired family members and because my last name comes from Galicia, but I don’t know. Many of my ancestors were also blond, but now they are a dirty blond/light brown. And yes blue eyes are prominent, but most have green.
@@danielfragoso7283 I was born a redhead actually haha, then turned into blond. Btw,, Its quite common to believe Moors left a big impact genetically in Iberia, but our closest relatives genetically are French, British, Irish and Portuguese, being quite distant genetically from North Africans. That's because moors in fact where just 12 000 arab people and 100 000 berber soldiers for a population of 5 million at the time. Visigoth in comparison where 250 000 people, and Suebi in Galicia about 50 000 - 100 000. Most of what we use to call Moors, where natives converted to the Muslim faith, but people believe them to be northafricans when speaking about Moors but they arent.
Most of the Spanish population is made of Celts (Center and North) and Iberians ( On the Mediterranean and southern coast) with small amounts of other people, such as Goths, Romans, Jewish, Slavs, Berbers, Vikings, Greeks, Pheonicians, French, Arabs etc..
What ydna haplogroup are you? I'm I2a close matches are with Slavic people. I'm a direct descendant from the Carvajal Ulloa family of Cáceres Extremadura. Spanish history and records shows them coming from Visigoths. The Visigoths, Vikings, Celts, Slavic are all from Haplogroup i. Thanks for sharing the stories
I was born in Galicia in Carnota, magic Celtic Mountain there with gold artifacts, I look like several ancient statues mostly of Sumerian/Greek Persian style, Y Haplo J2 X is H13a2 H3 is native to Galicia
Daniel Fragoso yep definitely Galician last name
I think the goths got rushed early, before they could start spamming huskarls
Legendary comment
Ragnar was too gready
I don't remember Goths being Norse.
@@LordCommanderGutsno, however they had similar culture to scandinavian vikings who populated the lands just a 100 years later.
@@erikjosefsson9816 true. Gothi were Goth ancestors, cousins of the Scandinavians to the mainland. Germanic is much older than Norse. And to be fair, you could be a viking and norse, but you didn't have to be a viking to be norse.
The Goths died out because they were too depressed.
hahahaha
The visigoths became invisigoths.
Mr Seboss, you didn’t understand the joke :) I give you a hint: don’t confuse them with Goth fans.
Legend has it that some of them bled out or died of anemic complications due to frequent cutting.
Loool
Some traces of Gothic rule in Spain remain such as names: GUZMAN - meaning Good Man.
Man with guts Guzman
Guzman = good man
El Chapo’s family name is Guzman 😂😂
@Johan Smid remember, in Iberia it was common to write N above the preceeding vowel, Gusmano > Gusmão
And sancho
And Claro
Wasn't Barbarian used by the Greeks to describe anyone that didn't speak Greek?
Hellbound Iscariot Correct.
From my research, I've discovered it was used to describe anyone who didn't speak the language of the Romans or Roman Empire!
Yes, but the Roman's adopted it later, as they did for other costumes of the Greeks
@Владимир Новиков "Bar-bar" meant "mumbling person" or "some who doesn't speak correctly" in Ancient Greek.
@Владимир Новиков well that became the usage. The other guy correctly points out how the term originated.
It was the Vandals who settled in North Africa, not the Goths.
They’re considered part of the ‘gothic’ invaders
There is plenty of tagging to document this.
The Vandals, Langobards and Goths were all part of the East Germanic family, so basically brothers. Actually the Goths were going to invade Africa in 410 but a storm destroyed their fleet and king Alaric died of malaria in southern Italy. His brother-in-law Athaulf became king and his first act was to turn the Goths around and march them into Gaul, which had been weakened by a civil war and was ripe for conquest.
@Johnny Doe the fanatic terrorists certainly are.
@@dc4457 Longobards.
so it was proto vikings who essentially ended western rome? hmm
@iammaxhailme pretty much
Proto Norse*
Romans ended themselves with civil war, assassinations of top generals and failed campaigns in Persia. Germanic people were just opportunists who struck at the right time. Read about Germanicus-he would've conquered Germania if he was not assassinated by Tiberius.
Isn't proto Viking techno Vikings cousin?
@tiglath pileser Bullshit the Romans didn't conquer it because they initially wanted to grab Persia first. The wealth of Germany was controlling all the Germanic maniacs and using them as soldiers instead of letting them run hog wild for 1,500 ruining the world like they did.
Attention future heavy metal rock groups: your band names can be found within this video.
raven lord there actually is a metal band named Visigoth, if you didn't already know. Their songs are sort of "fantasy RPG"/fantasy world themed, which is cool even though I typically don't get into such fantasy.
+Andrew Penman
I should have figured that some of these names would just be way too good to go unclaimed! I did not know about Visgoth, but I am glad you mentioned them, because I'm filling my playlist with them now :)
There is a band called Gothic... here is a live video from Wacken ua-cam.com/video/ejk8eLoKsZs/v-deo.html
Woden would be a cool name for a heavy metal band
Thanks, man! I will now name my new metal band: The Germanic Peoples Inhabiting Modern Netherlands & Germany.
That's got a nice ring to it
And now we know why EU4’s Theodoro exists
Squids Ah I see you are a man of blobbing as well
I played as Portugal once and made it my mission to prop up Byzantium and Theodoro for no other reason then to f*ck with the Turks :P
Arthas Menethil my kinda player
Squids They were the weirdest, a Greek State with a Gothic populous, surrounded by Crimeans.
@@baronofbahlingen9662 Who are tartars/huns/asian dudes with cool beards and mustaches who mostly came from china
Awesome video! Been reading about this myself lately and as a Scandinavian I must say I'm surprised how influential Scandinavians have been throughout history. From the Goths and Vandals to the Rus and the Norman conquest. In a way you can say that Scandinavians lay the first bricks of what was to become the English empire and the Anglo world as well as Russia. I mean even the Angles and Jutes were from Denmark.
I know a bunch of Mexicans tha are blond and red hair they have spanish blood.
It truly is amazing as a swede to realize that my ancient ancestors was related to these people who raided and sacked all south of Europe and put the last nail in the Roman Empire coffin and settling there and ruling in different kingdoms.
Does the jutes or goths of Denmark has any ancestral trace from jatts or jaats of northern Indian subcontinent??
@@randhawaz1 I doubt it, not other than being Indoeuropean. The name might have the same-ish meaning though, from deriving from the same language group.
@@gard86 ah ok I thought hitler used an Indian used name swastika as his symbol for his party considering themselves as Aryans? I thought there were any similarities there. Anyways now world interconnected with all the past migrations. There is no real answer to all these I feel.
Dont forget the original goths that still live today, the swedes. Swedish DNA and the DNA of a gothic corpse from northwestern Poland have proven to be almost identical.
The Goths more likely originated from the island of Gotland in Sweden rather than from mainland Götaland.
Oh....sounds like a little island......really...?
Hey Little Harry, Fjollträsk is Stockholm only were indeed Scandinavia's largest cesspits exist.
I'd have to agree. Mythology of the ancient Germanic put them in a mix with another culture (estimated to be Phoenician). They followed the man Herakles to the north for a better home on the island of Gotland. Years later they left the island due to overpopulation to the Balkans and Dacia. Though that's just following mythology.
Crimean Goths moved to Dacia and later learnt to spake propr germanic.
The Goth came from both Gotland, Östergötland, Västergötland and Jutland (in Denmark)
I'm from Sweden, VästerGÖTLAND and can hear and understand the connections!
They became edgy teenagers.
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Do you need a map?
edgy? lol they wish.
but bein edgy is cool
@abcde fghij Palestine was never a country it's name originates in Egypt not where Israel is case closed
@@christianpathfinder6864 and israel has had multiple empires as cantonites being taken over multiple times but still keeping their land up until expulsion by the romans.
One little mistake: the germans were not called huns because of the involvement of germanic tribes in the hunnic conquest, it was because emperor Wilhelm II. hold a speech, called "Hunnenrede" because of the Boxer rebellion in China. Before sending troops to end the uprising he said in the speech that as the word "hun" lives on in history and fables being feared, the word "german" shall be feared in China so much that no Chinese never even dares to look at a german malevolantly.
Thanks honey
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Ibn Muhammad He was a massive Dick. Which can somehow be explained by the fact that he had a difficult childhood. He had a lame (or is it maimed in english? 🤔) arm and wasn't loved by his mother because of this. And later on when he became emperor he couldn't ride on horseback due to his arm which was a big shame as an prussian ruler. He was a whiny child which made Germany unpopular in europe and he destroyed everything von Bismarck built up over the years. Oh, and he was responsible for the German imperialism and the colonies. Bismarck (the chancellor) said that Germany is already big enough but Wilhelm insisted that Germany needed a "place at the sun" like all the other colonial powers. The list of what he did wrong and stupid goes on and on...
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These Germanic people left behind not only names of people, such as Rodrigo from Roderic, but also names of places like Andalusia from Vandalusia and Catalonia (Catalonia) from Got-Alania. But it is not true that Odoacru and his men would have been Goths. They were herles, a tribe who accompanied the Goths in their migration. Probably related to Alani. But it is interesting how it was seen at that time the sending of the imperial insignia to Constantinople by Odoacru. It was then seen as a unification of power, Odoacru recognizing the existence of a single emperor and trying to rule Italy on his behalf.
In fact, the Ostrogoths led by Theodoric (the Great) who replaced Odoacru and founded the Kingdom of the Ostrogoths in Italy officially recognized the Emperor's authority, even if it was only symbolic.
They discovered MDMA and they now spend their days raving underneath bridges
I remember as a kid being fascinated with the Goths/Visigoth and Vandals, but espcially by the formers when a show called "barbarians" first aired in the history channel. I remember I went on to read about Alaric and other Goth history.
Me being interested in history and genealogy a few years ago I took a 23Andme genetic test. Ironically, it turns out that my YDNA (AKA direct paternal line or genetic surname) is R-M405, or R1B-S21, / R1B-u106 which is extremely common in Germany and the Netherlands and associated with Germanic tribes.
This means it's possible that my direct paternal ancestor was a Goth running around Europe and helping destroy the Western Roman Empire. Is also fascinating think that this line likely went from northern Europe to Crimea, to the Iberian peninsula, to the Canary Islands in the 1500's and then ended up in the Hispaniola island in the late 1600's where it has probably remained static for the past 300 years as my family and me still live in the same town that dude from the Canary islands settled.
Of course, is also likely that the Y-dna ended up in Spain via the Vandals or some other Germanic group, but to me, it's ironic and fascinating that there is high possibility that my direct paternal ancestors were at some point Goths.
It’s weird that alot of Spanish/Portuguese people are finding out that they’re related to the Visigoths.
@@CarvedStonesbecause they haved mix with romanian or iberian population
@@elcoringas For sure, the Suebi as well, as they mostly stood in what is now northern Portugal and northwest Spain.
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John Smith jealousy doesn't give u more subscribers, sonny
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Knowledgia , I totally agree, although when you realize that the goths were pretty much Slavs, just as were germans (most notably Prussians - only a little bit different than Russians) , you will start to see that Slavs were the Greatest warriors the world has ever seen...
@Knowledgia. Completely agree with you. They are really awesome :)
The goths were more of a confederation of allied tribes than a enthnical pure germanic tribe.
Yeah, there were quite a lot of Eastern Germanic leaders with clearly Slavic names, so we shouldn't think about Goths like they're a single ethnicity.
The Goths never called themselves German or Germanic and no ancient source makes any mention of such a thing. Gothic is considered in modern times to be a "Germanic" language. The real question here is what language did the ancient Germanics speak before Gothic was partially adopted by them?
The Germanic tribes have Illyrian Thracian backgrounds
They were definately not a pure Germanic tribe after being away from Scandinavia, having picked up peoples across their migrations (especially in what are now Ukraine and Italy), but a good number of them were still of Germanic/Swedish origin, as their language, names, foods, and culture lived on in places like Spain, Italy, and France. Names like Hilda, Nilda/Nelda, Isidore that are still common in Spain, Italy, and France (and like the Spanish Visigothic princess Brunhilda of Wagner opera fame). Words for bank, cardinal signs, etc. That very Germanic love of pork and pork products like ham and sausages,
@@dannhymir9678 Isidore is a Greek name.
I'm proud to say that I'm a direct descendant from the Visigoths, Latins, Ostrogoths, and even Hebrews. Nice video man!!!
I'd love to see these migration maps displayed and discussed for longer periods and in greater detail
Well, in theory, the longest living goths were the ones who remained in Götaland then.
The most Germanic people are still in Scandinavia, although most of them are kind of passive people. They stayed kind of isolated for centuries while the southern Germans constantly invaded other teritorries.
@@starfox300 busy fighting themselves lmao
@@starfox300 Southern Germanics mixed extensively with other populations. Slavs, Celts, Baltic, Latins, Hungarians. This is why Hitler, Gobles, Himmler, had dark hair. Scandos didn't mix.
Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth 7:14 the Wise?
I thought not. It's not a story ostrogoths would tell.
Pelagius not plagueis XD
Björn Lundberg source please
Love how you break down the narrative, great work. Can I use parts of your narrative for my own animated history videos? Naturally I do my own voice-overs, but I'd like to use the 'script' structure that you have, if that's ok with you. Proper writing credits would be given to you of course.
Ohh wow. You blew up
history marche is amazing
Great work historymarche
The ancient goths dont have their origin in Southern Sweden they have their origins in Southern Scythia (Skandza) they trace their origin to the Thracian getae who trace their origin to the Messagetae who trace their origin the Mehlahens who trace their origin to the Sarmatians who are Scythians who are the ancestors of the Slavs/Russians thus making the Goths an early derivative of the early Slavs/Russians, Vandals and Alans have similar origins (Alans from Roksoalans and Vandals from Veneti who were both branches of the Great Slavic family).
@@RA-ns5vg Ya they do they trace their ancestry to the Messagetae and the Mehlahens who trace their ancestry to the Scythian/Sarmatians and the Sarmatians are not Iranian, Scythian/Sarmatian is the name of the people that were living in the Eastern part of Eastern Europe and who are the main ancestors of the Slavs/Russian, genetics found in burials confirm this and medieval maps identify Scythia/Sarmatia as Russia, the Aryans the Eastern branch of the Scythians speak Sanskrit which derives from old Russian and spawns the Iranian languages but the Scythian/Sarmatians do not come from Iranic peoples.
Goths: Europe, lets totally reshuffle your genetic make up!
It would be interesting to know about all the contributing groups that make up the modern day Italians. Thank you for this excellent video. So much learned in just 10 minutes.
We still a tiny minority in North east Algeria. Proud Germanic Vandal descent of a Nordic phenotype !
@bavares bavares what about the Arabs in Algeria, how are them?
@@matheuspinheiro4796 there's difference between ethnicity and race arab is an ethnic groupe. genetically there is no middle easterns in algeria
@@reddragon6103 naturally
I once read somewhere that some members of the (former) Spanish nobility can actually track down their ancestry to Spanish Visigoths.
It’s because the Visigoths played a major influence on the reconquista as it was some visigothic noblemen and some Asturias mountain men (cantabrians) who pushed back the Muslim advance and founded the kingdom of Asturias.
I find it fascinating that so many ethnic groups have lived in Iberia: Celts, Germanics, Iranians, Arabs, Basque, latins ...
Add Slavs to that mix :P
Really! Who were they?
Ever heard of Saqaliba? They were mostly slaves brought from either the Balkans or West Slavic areas like Czechia, Poland and Polabia. Most young boys converted at early age to Islam and were fanatical guardians of the various rulers in Al-Andalus. So, they worked at various position within the Caliphate, from house servants, to eunuchs on the courts of emirs, to mercenaries and various warriors, like already mentioned Saqaliba Guard.
They were present everywhere in the Arab world - although many of them were present in Iberia, they were also in the Maghreb, Egypt, even as far as Iraq. Hell, there is actually a Polish expedition, I don't know where exactly, but either to Morroco or Algeria, where Polish professors are searching for ancient fortress of Saqaaliba, deep in the mountains.
Hassan hedaz add Mongols huns and other Eurasian to that list
Not in ancient times but the khazars that moved to East Europe (Germany Poland etc) in the 8th or 9th centuries eventually in more recent times migrated all over Europe
I'm a Goth. The alternate spelling of my last name is Gudas. The etymology of which is Gutans, which means Goth. My mom's side were also Germans that settled in Crimea, but as far as I know, they never claimed descent from the Goths.
In these countries, the Goths provided the words that we use now for war. The spanish "Guerra" comes from the old german "wæra" where the word "War" also comes from
Guerra, word present also in Italian derives from the language of the Franks and it became part of the Italian language through medieval Latin.
not true.. the goths were from Gotland. Not germany. They didnt speak old german. Guerra, in swedish, is Krig. Krig sounds nothing like waera... The goths were goths, not germans.
@@jgdhjjdkgj1857 Well, in German it’s ‘Krieg’ so...
@@Fabbisj In modern high german, not in ancient proto-germanic.
@@jgdhjjdkgj1857 they were germanic, not german, hence OPs confusion
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I thought the Goths fell to the Emo Kids
Fuck no lol the emos couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, they'd just cry about it and then cut themselves and hopefully bleed out and die. I identify as Goth, not just the subculture, but also from my European heritage.
James Vinson hi bro goths r called jatt in Punjab India...i m a jatt...
@@jamesvinson3998 You are not european, fuck off
That fell to the SJWs who are falling to Gen Zs.
3:10 Spotted a mistake. When the Goths went southwards to modern day Pomerania region this wasn't Slavic territory. The Slavs were pushing into Germanic territory not until the Germanic tribes left south and westwards. The slavs were at this point way more in the east in modern day western Ukraine. Whole modern day Poland was Germanic territory until the Migration Period.
Well, to be fair, while we don't know anything about ancient Pommerania, we do know that the Goths didn't control whole of modern Poland, but they actually shared it with Veneti/Venedi people. Who MAY have been Slavic speaking (probably were), but then again, we do not know.
@ Vitalis...
"Goths" living in Poland is mostly fabricated nonsense... The real beginning for the archeological record for them is in Southern Romania and Northern Bulgaria. But you know... those places aren't cool. There weren't any "Goths" in Poland.
all scythians were called goths, their western offshoot were the celts.
There's a lot of polish fascism here o.O
Hardly fabricated. Tacitus mentions Gothiscandza in his "Germania" and places it at the mouth of the Vistula. Pliny also mentions the Gutones (Gothones, as Tacitus names them) in the same exact place, and says they spoke a Germanic tongue.
"backwards and deprived state of medieval times" is a ridiculous 19th century fedora-tipping atheist trope. Yeah, you had the Germanic Invasion and the Islamic attack on the Roman Empire ultimately causing its partly collapse, but Western and Central Europe experienced mind-blowing advancements in almost every aspect of life. The Mediterranean areas stagnated (temporarily), but Germania and some other areas flourished. This is where our elaborate system of Western education and statehood was formed, paving the way for European conquest of the Globe. The Middle Age is basically THE Germanic epoch.
Germanics created modern Europe on the ruins of the Roman Empire, and went on to conquer and colonize the world. America by proxy has a gothic name, as it was named after Amerigo Vespucci, and Amerigo is the Italic form of Amalric.
The open hatred for the germanic man has been propagated for a long time. Ww2 has made it obligatory, on a social level, to hate these great men
_"it was only the lazy and unenterprising Goths who had remained in Sweden, whereas the heroic Goths had left Sweden, invaded the Roman empire and settled in Spain."_
Christigoth lmao
And then us "lazy" goths became even glorious vikings later
The Swedes were kinda lazy in the viking age too.
@@reed3249 they did found the Kievan Rus so if nothing else in the long term they created hard bass.
Not so heroics,they first were mercenarys of Rome,after the empire's fall they became to Spain and created the visigoth kingdom(in alliance with the romans),late they losed their religion(arrianism),their language and identity(because of the Rome church pressure),and in the end the muslims invaded the Iberian Peninsule.
It'd be pretty cool if you could do a series covering specific Native American tribes throughout north and South America. Amazing videos as always.
Can we expect a similar video for the Etruscans ?
Batman Beyond they where most likely absorbed by the early Romans
VERY INDO-EUROPEAN Nice profile pic and username
VERY INDO-EUROPEAN No their culture and heritage were destroyed by the late islamic invasion...Masson/ Massaman.
Nantz Stein what are you talking about? Etruscans were an italic civilization that fell to Rome way before islam was a thing.
Antonio Carbone No they were assimilated into latin civilization and the rest of their culture disappeared with the Islamic invasion to Italy.
If you are looking for gothic legacy have a look in the iberian peninsula
As an amateur Gothic historian, I love the accuracy and thorough research that went into this video. There are, to my knowledge, no factual errors or misleading statements. Great job!
I wish the Vandals, Visigoths, and Crimean Goths survived to the present, they are all so cool and it would be awesome to see Gothic countries in the present and how they would coexist with others, likely the Visigothic and Vandal languages would mix with Latin and become standardized while Vandal would also have a lot of Arabic, Greek, Berber, and Punic influence as well, likely they would be Islamic or Catholic, the Crimean Goths would likely remain the same or similar to how they were in the 1700s.
why would the vandals not be arians?
The Crimean Goths are the longest surviving Goths. Over many generations, they had become assimilated into Greek and Tartar speaking populations of Crimea. The last group may had been assimilated into Crimean Tartar population according to Soviet ethnologist V. E. Vozgrin with the reports of a series Tartar villages inhabited by inhabitants with stature and features identical to Scandinavians. The Nazis on the other hand believed that last of the Crimean Goths had assimilated into Crimean German population. During the late 1700s, Germans, Russians and Ukrainians were encouraged to settle in Crimea in order to weaken the Crimean Tartar population. It is possible that the Crimean Goths did assimilation in to the populations of the new settlers as well as Crimean Tartar population which hastened their disappearance as a distinct people.
Well, they got to be in our DNA
To sum up:
-Visigoths melted into the Iberian pot
-Ostrogoths were completely assimilated into the Italians
-Vandals of North Africa were wiped out.
It sounds like there just weren't that many to start with?
I read somewhere that each tribe that migrated numbered only about 20 to 40 thousand total. Maybe that's why they didn't leave much of a mark behind other than names, which were passed down from their royalty and nobility.
I am aproofed (DNA test) of Gothic origin, but "Not real Goths" killed me (∩w∩)
The Goths gave us one of the best music genres ever. And some of the most iconic bands. 🥳
• Bauhaus
• Siouxsie and The Banshees 😍
• Switchblade Symphony 😍
(to name but a few)
Zamn.
I love how the Vandals and Goths became negative terms during the Renaissance. They were seen as savages and uncultured. It's obviously why Vandal is used now to describe a destructive person and Gothic architecture was actually initially a derogatory term. If a building was described as Gothic it was ugly, harsh, etc.
One of the best remnants of that time is engraved in my language, Spanish, many Gothic words are present in it, but I one word I want to speak of is “Vándalo” which means “Thief, Outlaw, Criminal”, but the word comes from the Vandals: a Gothic tribe who conquered Spain for a small time.
Hey man could you possibly do a video about the habesha people (eritreans and ethiopia) theres alot of interesting facts about the land and its people with emipres and kingdoms dating back to 1000-500 BC. Nice video btw. Bye
Yeah and some other things
Well, I have a Visigoth last name from Rey Rodrigo, or Rudericus, the Last King of the Visigoths!
I am Rodrigo Alexandre, what a powerful sounding name.
Gothian or Old High German Rodrigo or Roderigo is Rothrih or Rothrich.
Luis is from Germanic Klodwig that changed to Lodwig/Ludwig. The d got lost to lowi(g) and so on.
Most spanish people have visigoth (family) names. Gonzales, Rodriguez, Fernandez, etc.
me too, He was also know as Don Roderic the name would mean the lord of power and glory, Rodriguez means The Sons of (Rodrigo) Power and Glory. just thought id throw that in, He must have escaped the ambush there are a lot of Rodriguez's
at least his wife poisoned that Muslim.
Adrian Rodriguez : hahahahahahahaha !!
The Goths had a significant influence on the Spanish language. Words like guerra, jardin, guardia and many last names and names such as Alberto, Roberto, Rodrigo, Gutierrez, -ez, etc.
Iberian Peninsula is where Celts,Goths,Vandals,Suebians,Alans,Carthaginians,Romans,Vikings,Berbers and Moors all mixed together.What an interesting place.
02:33 Not entirely correct. There was the well known Hun speech of emperor Wilhelm II. where he referred to the German troops as huns to glorify them.
The Goths not was Germanic tribes. The Goths was Gets/Getae ( got = get ). Getica by Iordanes: people.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/texts/jordgeti.html
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The Goths did not die out as many say, they simply speak the languages of those they subdued , Like Spanish and Italian :)
Great video! I’ve been really interested since an animated brief Ted lesson on goths and the evolution of the term “gothic” - nice to hear more details on the ethnic group.
... "as for the alans, although they no longer exists as a group in Iberia" ...not only caucasians, but Catalans too may have some legacies related to the last of the alans. Portugals may have something related to the last of the gauls. Early peoples did not vanished, they are here even today. We all are their descendents.
Mihaly Hosszu problem is- other nations wont recognise this.
Alans left mark in Catalonia, France, Balkan and Besarabia.
There is their blood still going around.
I really enjoy the "oh by the way" tone in your script. Its amazing to discover new channels that have a true love for history and why the world looks like it is
What on earth happened to Avar kaganate. Avars made same journey from Central Asia and China to Europe. Heard about story of Mulan? Seems it's binded to Avar invasion in China
Well, Avar khaganate emploded after the wars with the Franks, many of the Slavs created their own states in the area. Then the Magyars came and assimilated any remaining Avar population.
kid tsunami they got wiped out by the east frankish empire/ hre. They invaded todays austria a couple of times and initially defeated the german knights defending against them, killing so many that the existance of the empire got endangered (though at this time there were no longer the massive armies of antiquity, meaning that it was at max a couple of hundred knights. I don't recall the exact amount, but i remember being puzzled, back in the lecture about this, how few they actualy were and still the empire almost collapsed because of it) though an expidition was sent to the avar settlements and ravaged their families and lifestook, forcing the avare army to retreat and accept a german victors peace. A couple of years later they started a second invasion, but once again were forced to retreat and swear to never attack the east frankish empire again. After they started to raid a third time (having a pretty diminished fighting force left), their fsmilies and later the returning raiding parties were simply wiped out of existance by the german knights.
The Croats came to modern day Croatia for the purpose of expelling the Avars, either on their own accord or being invited by the Byzantine Emperor Heraclitus. After their defeat some Avars survived in the Croatian principality and even today the inhabitants of the island of Hvar in Dalmatia have Avaric genetic markers.
a couple things i think - croats that came from white(west) croatia defeat avars and take some lands from them (but later become weaker and become avar vassal) . frankish empire that defeat them and force to take christianity in 796. but the end of avars was new very powerfull force that came to this region that time - magyars (hungarians) - they take avars lands and assimilate them.
Croats, Serbs and Bulgarians have the same Avarian-Turkish origin (Mongolian)
fun fact: In Italian the word for hotel "Albergo" comes from gothic "Harri-Berg" which meant "shelter of the army"
Interesting the Danish word for hostel is herberg, which basically translates to Army-mountain. Though the mountain part could be explained by being from a non-danish or german origin.
Carewolf Probably a cognate,maybe you fine shelter in the Mountains (?) i dunno lol.
@ Giulio...
As a speaker of ancient Gothic I doubt "harri-berg" would have been used as a term by the Goths. Perhaps "harjis-baurg" without the "e" and pronounced like a hard "u" like in English "boot" "-oo-". This would literally mean "army-town".
Getwulf it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua_gotica I'll righfully blame wikipedia
@ Giulio...
Ha...! ha...! Wikipedia... the source of so much confusion! No worries... I find even professional researchers make some seriously dumb mistakes.
9:21 the Spanish-German footballer Mario Gomez is EXTRA Germanic then.
Andalusia=Vandalusia
"Andalucía" ("Andalusia" in English) comes from Al-andalus in Arab. Before the muslin invasion in the VIII century, that southern region of Spain was known as Betica or Baetica.
Invictus Magerit Wikipedia knowledge my friend ;). Read everything properly: The etymology of the name "al-Andalus" has traditionally been derived from the name of the Vandals; however, a number of proposals since the 1980s have challenged this contention. Halm in 1989 derived the name from a Gothic term, *landahlauts,[9] and in 2002, Bossong suggested its derivation from a pre-Roman substrate.[10].
Would be good if you compare this ancient germanic language of goths to any other language in Europe.
Yes. And Wenden means Slavians(German language). And Wanda was Polish Princess (735-740)
Did not know that.
In Albanian name Vandali means autochrhonous
Vandali - Vendali
The Goths in Crimea still existed in 1444.
Nee de Goten hadden geen kans om te uitbreiden in de Krimanders zouden hun afstammelingen een incest worden. Dus ze adopteerden de Krim-Tataarse cultuur en hadden zich bekeerd om met Krim-Tataren te kunnen trouwen. Laatste record van Krim-Gotisch was late 1700s toen een Poolse man Krim bezocht en Tataren zag die een taal spraken die net Plattdeutsch klonk. Als je Nederlands spreekt kan je de taal goed uitspreken. Omdat ook dat Krim-Tataren met Goten mixten zag Hitler ze als ubermensch en Hitler hernoemde Sebastopol to Theodorischhafen, Als je een blanke Krim-Tataar tegenkomt kan maar 1 ding in je hoofd schieten het is een afstammelingen van een Goth.
Prins van Oranje as a Minority led by a Greek Prince. Not a majority like EU4 would have you believe.
Well, you basically said that after the Byzantines reconquered the Ostrogothic territory, the Goths were just assimilated into Byzantine society. But the Ostrogothic territory was not just in Italy. It extended well into modern day Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, and even Hungary partially as well. So, barring some unknown forced mass Exodus, were they just assimilated into all of these different peoples all of whose descendants are therefore now partly gothic?
I read somewhere that some Croatians believe they are descended from the Goths, even though they speak a Slavic language. After contemplation I decided this could be possible since in mixed ethnolinguistic societies, even one’s own mother tongue can lose popularity and intrinsically usefulness depending on circumstances so therefore language is not always a reliable indicator of ancestry. And if that is true of the Croatians, it could also perhaps be true of other peoples in the area.
I was hoping this video would satisfy my curiosity definitively but unfortunately it did not.
I find it amusing that you completely ignore Portugal and only focus on Spain, even though that division only came with the "Reconquista" and both people had the Visigothic bloodline, besides Ibearian Celts, Romans, etc.
Is the Suebi
I always got told the Germans in world war one were called Huns, due to the Kaisers Hunnic speech during the Boxer rebellion
I can confirm. I have a germani last name of Han that came to Germany from the Huns. Story of mulan kinda rings the bell there
Well the Visigoths, outside of Iberia, were absorbed by Saxons and Franks, according to Carolingian record. That and prior to dissolving, Visigoths are maternal contributors to several, both Saxon and Frankish Royal genealogies.
The thing to remember about the Franks, is that they were a confederation of absorbed people. That and originally or earlier , the significance of being identified as a Frank, meant you were a Christian.
Franks and Goths are relatively, blanket terms. Carolingian scholars were obsessed with the Goths and veins sure the Goths are mentioned in Frankish genealogy, much how people obsess over the Norse and Vikings nowadays.
Great presentation. My family is Asturianu. Through DNA, verified a strong Germanic/Western Slavic contribution and earlier Celtic admixture (with a strong Ibero-Vasconic foundation).
The birth of Spanish identity came into being as a result of the Visigoths, Cantabrian Celts, Navarrese/Vascones, and Hispano-Romans uniting under a common Christian/Western identity [in revolt against Moorish hegemony.] Don Pelayo referred to this coalition as the Second Gothic Army.
Western slavic is not correct - the Germanic peoples have lived up to the Russian border for millennia - they built by hand the towns, and citites, they farmed, and built ports, like in Danzig - NOT Gdansk!
@@lottivonhesse9382 I think Slavic had some sense, the Goths probably bordering with proto-slavs. And also probably some of the DNA of modern Slavs is from gothic heritage and we don't know.
The Goths didn't tear down a splendid civilisation, they just happened to be there at the end in a position to conquer. The Roman Empire destryed itself, as all empires do, and it didn't forge a wondrous civilsation, it unified civilisatons that already existed in a vast welter of blood, during a period of continous wars launched by Rome that lasting over a century. It was the Roman Empire which sniuffed out the civilsations that came before it, and eventually snuffed itself out by the combination extreme inequality, over-inflated military spending and economic stagnation that empires create.
That's funny, I was just wondering the same thing. I haven't seen one since at least 2008.
Viking invasion : yaayy!
Goth invasion : yaayy!
Hun invasion : booo!
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I'm sure that's because Huns weren't white...
@@NoName-ze4qn and who were they of not "white"??
Lindisfarne didn't "Yaay!" Over the existence of Vikings
@@NoName-ze4qn The Hungarians don't care; they still name their boys Attila. And the VIking invasions were viewed until recently as a disaster, which I think they were, Lindisfarne was a great center of learning and art. I'm not sure who Romanticizes the Goths.
@@FreddyBarbarossa it was kinda romanticized (or at least seen as less of a bad thing) in the mid to late 19th century as a part of a larger medievalist movement, mainly in Britain, and is closely associated with the arts and crafts movement. The term Gothic Revival (also from around that time) isn't associated with the migration period goths, but with the 12th/13th century Gothic architectural style. The term in those days was originally intended as an insult and coined by a cranky French bishop in the 12th century and kinda just stuck
the "dark ages" were full of spiritual, artistic, scientific, and cultural development
The Goths are actually the descendants of the Getae(Gets) or Dacians. First off, there are 40+ ancient, medieval & modern historical sources & chronicles that all refer to the Getae-Goth identity. The first to use the ethnonym of Goth for the Getae was the Roman philosopher & emperor Julian the Apostate who ruled in the years 361-363. Later historians & writers adopted & continued this ethnic identification of the Geto-Goths...Claudianus, Orosius, Cassiodor, Jordanes, Ablavius, Paolo Diacono, Procopius, Albert Krantz, Franciscus Irenicus, Heinrich Pantaleonis, Carol Lundius, Johannes Magnus, Bonaventura Vulcanius, etc.
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Even the famous Italian historian Carlo Troya wrote extensively about the shared ethnic identity of the Getae & Goths...www.cunoastelumea.ro/carlo-troya-getii-lui-zamolxe-au-fost-stramosii-gotilor-lui-teodoric/
The truth is that the Goths' origins have never been officially determined as Scandinavian or Germanic. Their origins are still an enigma, according to mainstream scholarship. So there is no valid reason to dismiss the Getae-Goth identity, especially since the vast amount of evidence points to ancient Romania, ie. Dacia, the homeland of the Geto-Dacians.
Jordanes' famous "confusion" in his Getica seems to be intentional. It's well accepted that some of the Getica is a fabulous origins myth (especially their Scandinavian "origin" which is incredibly dubious) of the Goths but it also does contain some historical truths which are confirmed by other primary sources. This is pretty strongly supported, by the material evidence & well thought-out arguments that explain the reasons for the change from Get to Goth, in the exceptional documentary, Niascharian: Sã renastem, made by filmmaker & historian Leonardo Tonitza. So far this documentary has prompted much interest & excitement in Romania & elsewhere, due to the amount & quality of research & effort put into it. It covers the mysterious & "controversial" Tărtăria Tablets, the Sinaia Tablets, the Codex Rohonczi, the Bible of Wulfilla, the Sandstone of Cosăuți & other interesting subjects. The Romanian & foreign historians, archaeologists, researchers, etc. are professionals who are passionate about researching beyond the mainstream status quo. Also it supports & explains the history behind the Geto-Goth connection. It's well worth the watch... ua-cam.com/video/GBmc4u8p-7g/v-deo.html
One of the most famous Goths was Alaric I, who was born in 370 (or 375) on Peuce Island, Dobruja (present-day Romania). This Goth/Get was born in the Danube Delta, the traditional home of the Getae, a place far from Germania...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaric_I
There is also the intriguing aspect that in Spanish legends the earliest kings of Spain are affirmed as descendants of the Dacians or Gets. And it's a well accepted historical fact that the Goths, who are actually the Getae, were the original founders of Spain when they migrated & settled there... ua-cam.com/video/cYumx0JNjV8/v-deo.html
The most incredible evidence of the Goth/Get shared identity is the 3rd-century Great Ludovisi sarcophagus, which depicts a battle between Goths and Romans. These Goths look identical to the Getae (Dacians), which includes them wearing their famous Phrygian cap which Germanic tribes never wore... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths#/media/File:Grande_Ludovisi_Altemps_Inv8574.jpg
Here are a couple of close-ups...claudiagetia.blogspot.com/2018/10/gotii-sunt-de-fapt-getii.html
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These Goths look exactly like Geto-Dacians on the famous Trajan's Column...istoriesinumismatica.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/daci-columna.jpg?w=300&h=263
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And also identical to the Geto-Dacian statues on the Arch of Constantine...stiriactuale.ro/images/stories/2015/septembrie/11/dacii1.jpg
Goths: they get together and have raves in underpasses
My family goes back in genealogy books to the Visigoths in Spain but we are Irish. People act like Iber-Celts only existed in the early Roman era but the whole story of the Milesians has some meat to it. Clan Daire was founded in Spain and were Dal Riata members. Go looking in actual historic books in Google Books and not wiki-surfing. I'm quite sincere about it. Deda mac Sin and Sin mac Rosin, which can also be spelled Suin or Suen. Suintila was a Visigothic King of Spain in the 400's. Good video though, keep the knowledge growing people.
Why did they leave Spain and come to Ireland?
If you want to find more about the Goths you should read the "Getica" by Jordanes which it was based on a larger (lost) work of Cassiodorus, which also incorporated the earlier work of Ablavius. The "Getica" incorporates valuable records of Gothic tradition, the origin of the Goths, and some important remarks about the gods whom the Goths worshipped. However, from Jordanes works it largely appears that the name "Goths" is nothing more than an exchange name for the "Getians" (Getae) which alongside the Dacians, and many other tribes from the great family of Thracians (about two hundred tribes spreading over most of Europe, over and around Black Sea, Mediterranean Sea - including coastal North Africa - up to Central Asia) were inhabitating the most of Europe, mainly having the same beliefs, spirituality and language, which language, today, is known to us as "lingua prisca" or "ausonica"- a real "lingua franca" of antique Europe - and not only - of the era. Very similar in sound and meanings with today's Romanian language as well as with some of the other today's so called Romance languages, this "lingua ausonica" has been used by Jordanes himself in his works, hence the later scholars' dilemma of Jordanes' "strange Latin" use...and, of course, the eternal "dilemma" of that strange and sudden "appearance" and "disappearance" of the Goths in history.
Around the turn of the century Goths got bored of black and silver, started listening to pop punk and discovered Actual Colours.
Goths had fought Slavic tribes in the East and thus guarded Europe against barbarism for hundreds of years... And the Third Reich was the continuation of that.
East Germanic tribes "fought" Slavs by the emigration to the Roman Empire for work and those who stayed, by the assimilation with west Slavic tribes, together making the even worse tribe of Poles that stubbornly exists to this day, despite affords from the east and west, enduring such an empires as Avars, Mongols, Ottomans, Tsarist Russia, Soviet Russia and third reich, so for the next 1500 years. Not for 12, as your hoodlums ruled in Germany leading it to catastrophe, also a massive mixing through rapes made by Soviet soldiers. If not the Poles you would be a Turkic speaking Soviet republic already.
Stopped it at 0:01 What happened to the Goths? They turned into wimps and became Emos... Now, let's watch the vid.
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What about Croatian Gothic theory?
@ Lord...
Eh...? What about it...?
No really... I'm curious.
Getwulf The theory says that Croats are decended from slavenized Goths from western Ukraine and south eastern Poland. Evidences are that Croats have genetic similarities with Danes and south Swedes. Where Goths came from. Other evidence is White Croatia. Country in west Ukraine and south eastern Poland. If you watched this video you will see that Goths migrated where White Croatia is located. And many preists said in 7th century that Croats are Goths.
Well... Where do I start?
Croatian (as well as Serbian etc.) wasn't a "nation" back then when they arrived on the balkans and was only used to somewhat describe to which tribe someone belongs. And this could shift very easily as the main differences between serbs, croats etc. developed over the hundreds of years of mixed influences on the balkans.
While they did arrive, the slavic people mixed with the existing populations (as people almost always do). So there probably are some gothic lineages with croatian people, but most probably there are also some with serbian and also there will be "croatians" and "serbians" with no gothic lineage.
All these "theories" are mostly made to retrospectively explain existing nations and to try to transfer their "formation" further back into time thus serving more like an ancestral myth from the iron and copper age rather than scientific evidence.
@ Lord...
Did it ever occur to you that it might be the other way around? Haplogroup I emerges in the Carpatho-Balkan space and moves North.
I don't know about Getae/Goths in Croatia... I know you also had a theory about Croats being Dacians. Dacian is also another word for Dane.
@ meine...
You're right. In Romania we call this "protochronism" and everybody does it.
@masaman Could it not be the goths are from Gotland? And u said something like visegoths - main city on gotland is visby, could be an older name or?? 1/3 of Gotland population went to Poland or other central European countries just like "goths".
interesting fact, dark ages were not really dark by any means. it was during renaissance that they became known as dark age because of cultural reasons.
They called it "Dark Ages" due to a lack of written historical records during the time (lot of looting and burning..), hence it being "dark"
Thankfully the Byzantines and Arabs kept knowledge and science alive, which the Europeans would learn from later to start the Renaissance.
Goths still exist in Portugal. These are 10% of the population. Many towns and places have their name and foundations due to them. They kept the Marian branch of Christianism during 400 years. Until that time, they did not interchange with the rest of the population. But nowadays they are rare if we think of complete integrity.
I wouldn't say the subculture of goths is only a UK or US phenomenon
What happened to the Goths? They became hipsters.
Jk
Through a study of my genealogy, they discovered I was a direct descendant of King Alaric of the Visigoths who was Christian and sacked Rome twice and is given significant credit for the fall of the Roman Empire. Also from my research, I found out that "Barbarian" was actually a term to describe those people who didn't speak the Roman language. Anyway, when you think of the cruelty and violence practiced by the Roman's it's just as or more "barbaric" than those that opposed them when we use that term the way most people use it today!
Never realized Rodriguez is just son of Roderick because I never even allowed the idea of Germanic peoples in Spain into my head.
Here's the thing; I'm a Goth with German heritage on my father's side. I know the history and always enjoy learning more about it. I personally feel connected to these ancient warriors and I am a warrior in my own right and have battled to survive this world since I was a small child. Everything that I have done as a Goth has been to empower me to be victorious in this war of life. It isn't a style for me, a tend or a phase. I'm 37 and have been this way all my life, before I even knew there was a word for it and since no one in my county in Kentucky, where I grew up, did what I did, I didn't even know that other's did it.
I can agree that for most Goths, there is no correlation between Goth culture in ancient times and now. And I don't personally know anyone who feels as I do. But for me, these go hand in hand. Did I mention that I'm also Pagan? So, my connection to the ancients is a bit stronger for it.
Cringe. There are no more Goths, last Goths in Crimea intermarried with Tatars in the 18th century, Visigoths were absorbed a millenium ago. And "Pagan" lol neopagan is a LARPfest (BTW Goths were Christian, first arian then Roman catholic, do you even Ulfila and the Gothic Bible bro?) and if you were 13 years old I'd understand but 37?? Damn, maybe you need to reconsider some choices in life lmao.
@@bromisovalum8417 Have a great day.
@@bromisovalum8417 I agree with you man. I actually have dna from the visigoths who settled in Asturias Spain. But I’d never go around larping as a Visigoth and pretending my life is so hard it’s comparable to a group of nomadic people
Masa you and Shirvan (Caspian report) give me back the hope that not all younger kids are Pokemon Go and Fidget Spinner playing dumbasses...thank you for the good content as always
its for retards...
What do you have against Pokémon Go?
Poketto Monsutaa is also for retards
they became emo and an heroed
Adolf Stalin I know you from discord
oh shit, new number who dis?
“An hero” shit haven’t heard that in awhile
hey how do you even know me?
Adolf Stalin holy shit I know you too!!!
Jk lol
Love this channel, Mason! Can you do a video about the three major Indigenous ethnic groups of the Andes: the Quechua, the Aymara, and the Mapuche? Including the history of the Inca Empire.
The gift to architecture coming directly from the Goths is the "horse shoe arch", that passed through in Islamic architecture, especially in Alhambra.
@urbanski anna maria Thats right 🙂
I’m Hispanic and I have Visigoth dna in me. My Jewish European dna also pin points the locations they originated from…before they spread out to Iberia.
Gotland is the island east of sweeden (pretty far south)
Judiska Ekonomen, he would be wrong anyway, since the circle he drew contains a major part of Svealand as well as missing parts of Götaland. A significant province missing from the circle was in fact Gotland and it has probably the most notable connection to the Goths today.
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When you watch a video then realizing you commented on it a year ago
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What on earth happened to carthagians
the roman empire
الياس فرحات they got cofveve'd
they got salted
Traitors happened to them.
Hannibal's defeat then Romans, Vandals and finally Arabs...
Soon we will be asking, what happened to Christian white Europe? The place is full of arabs and muslims, except for a few countries
Modern day Central Europeans and even Western Europeans, to a degree is what happened to the Goths.