Out of all the badass spies I have seen over the years Peter Quinn is the most realistic one! I would have liked to see if Carrie would meet her match in Quinn. There were some romantic sparks between Peter and Carrie over the years, and there was the letter he left for her when he was leaving on a dangerous mission, the photo of her she found among his things after his death. Why do you think the romance between them never fully developed? Because the writers weren’t interested in developing a romance between them... Unfortunately I often wonder what would have happened if Carrie had said yes to Quinn and they left the agency together. Some sort of mutual implosion that I would be legally obligated to point out about them.
@@RealNotallGaming Yes. The writers weren’t interested in developing a romance between them. S 4: There were some romantic sparks between Peter and Carrie over the years, and there was the letter he left for her when he was leaving on a dangerous mission, the photo of her she found among his things after his death. S5/6: Out of all the badass spies I have seen over the years Peter Quinn is the most realistic one! I would have liked to see if Astrid would meet her match in Quinn. S3: One of the central tenets of Carrie’s literal entire existence!!!! was her feeling that because of who she was and the work she did that she’d be alone forever. And the show inverting that idea at the very end will never not be completely wonderful to me. S8: He’s as good a spy as Carrie and I don’t think the “romance” would blind him to a level that he didn’t suspect anything about Carrie and what she might be doing. Yes, and that’s the point… it’s the entire reason why Carrie had to do the deepest cover in the form of writing the book. The writers went back and forth on how they could possibly create a reason for Yevgeny to trust her (including Carrie being pregnant with his kid). Carrie writing a book trashing the CIA and the US was what they came up with because it lowers his guard.
3:30 Why was Carrie so distant with Saul at the end? Carrie/Saul distance, this is a really good question and not one I think I’ve addressed in the 7+ years since the season three finale. The Carrie/Saul distrust and distance was one of the main throughlines of season three and established early on. Their distrust was mutual. They were able to come together when it mattered, but the reality is that: - Saul left Carrie in a mental hospital for a month and fundamentally lied to her about the extent of what was supposed to be a shared plan (3.01-3.04); - Saul had no interest in tracking Carrie when she was taken by Javadi’s men, another seeming departure from a shared plan (3.05-3.06); - Saul lied to Carrie about his location and plan to retrieve Brody as the final step of his “peace in the Middle East” plan (3.08-3.09); - Carrie went along with Saul’s plan, knowing it would almost certainly end in Brody’s death, and while she can’t blame for Saul for that, I do think she might have resented him for putting it in motion (i.e., offering Brody up as a sacrificial lamb) and was projecting her own guilt onto him (3.09-3.12); - Saul was passed over for the CIA directorship and Carrie stayed and more or less toed the company line with his replacement, Lockhart. While Saul voiced an outward pride in the promotion of his protégé, he may have felt the same loyalty he showed Carrie over the years was in some regard repaid (3.12). The flipped dynamic of Carrie on the inside, Saul on the outside, is explored further in season four.
1:45 Why was Quinn's underutilization throughout season 3 after being critical at the start of season 2? I don’t think Quinn was really underutilized in season three until the end, now that’s because he really had no role in concluding the Carrie/Brody saga so he was understandably sidelined.
Do Saul and Quinn know Brody isn't behind the Langley bombing? Both Saul and Quinn were aware that Brody's confession tape was prerecorded for the suicide vest attack in season one, NOW do they believe Brody repurposed the tape for the Langley bombing or do they believe he was set-up? Have I missed any dialogue from this season that gives the audience a hint of what Saul or Quinn believe? They both know, eventually. Carrie would have told Saul immediately that it wasn’t Brody, now we also know that Saul doesn’t believe Brody is entirely innocent either (“he’s a man who put on a suicide vest, that’s who he is, that’s who he always will be”). Quinn says something in mid-season three about Brody being the bomber and Carrie has to correct him.
I love how this show made Carrie look like an idiot. This is how crazy (yet well intentioned) people get in the real world. There's been way too much deitification of female protagonists in Hollywood lately.
@@santiagobarbe2007 She isn't a brilliant woman. Carrie was a bad CIA agent, mother and friend. Most of the colleagues who worked with her died through her fault. I don't understand why some viewers adore her. Her character was awful.
What was Saul's opinion about Brody in S2? And why is there a change of opinion fromsaul about him at the end of S3? 1. He had to tolerate his existence because of Carrie. 2. In fact, Saul never actively liked Brody (I believe). At the end of season three I don’t think his opinion has changed. It would be possible to clarify the following doubts: - Another loose thread: Paul Franklin and the murder of the "real" CIA bomber. You just did that ... why? - I would like to see Homeland reveal how the CIA explained Brody in Iran and his death to the American press. Clearly, Javadi being able to take credit for capturing Brody helped his cause in Iran, but did the US government reveal Brody's role in Akbari's murder? Was his name cleared for the CIA attack? I'd love to know what you thought. Carrie was publicly humiliated, beaten, doped, shot and put her life on the line countless times without hesitation, just to make others see Brody as she saw him ... and succeeded. Abu Nazir, the CIA, Jessica and the show's own audience, no one came close to seeing Brody with the clarity Carrie has always seen. Carrie has always read Brody like no one else. Ah, Carrie's dialogue with Javadi was awesome, it will be one of the most memorable moments of the series, without a doubt! "And what you wanted, which was for everyone to see in him what you see. That has happened. Everyone sees him through your eyes now ..." - How did Carrie see Brody? and how did the US come to see it? It's the world? We can say that Nick Brody was one of the best-built characters in history - alongside Carrie, Saul and Quinn.
I’m on s6 and I miss this so much! Crazy Carrie doing whatever for Brody and Quinn being awesome. Fun times. 😭
Best show in the world
It really is. If they were smart, they'd bring it back right quick considering there is no competition for it.
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Yes sometimes I don't understand what they are talking about, but it's so interesting.
Out of all the badass spies I have seen over the years Peter Quinn is the most realistic one! I would have liked to see if Carrie would meet her match in Quinn. There were some romantic sparks between Peter and Carrie over the years, and there was the letter he left for her when he was leaving on a dangerous mission, the photo of her she found among his things after his death. Why do you think the romance between them never fully developed?
Because the writers weren’t interested in developing a romance between them... Unfortunately
I often wonder what would have happened if Carrie had said yes to Quinn and they left the agency together.
Some sort of mutual implosion that I would be legally obligated to point out about them.
Romance Is not part of spy world
@@RealNotallGaming Yes. The writers weren’t interested in developing a romance between them.
S 4: There were some romantic sparks between Peter and Carrie over the years, and there was the letter he left for her when he was leaving on a dangerous mission, the photo of her she found among his things after his death.
S5/6: Out of all the badass spies I have seen over the years Peter Quinn is the most realistic one! I would have liked to see if Astrid would meet her match in Quinn.
S3: One of the central tenets of Carrie’s literal entire existence!!!! was her feeling that because of who she was and the work she did that she’d be alone forever. And the show inverting that idea at the very end will never not be completely wonderful to me.
S8: He’s as good a spy as Carrie and I don’t think the “romance” would blind him to a level that he didn’t suspect anything about Carrie and what she might be doing.
Yes, and that’s the point… it’s the entire reason why Carrie had to do the deepest cover in the form of writing the book. The writers went back and forth on how they could possibly create a reason for Yevgeny to trust her (including Carrie being pregnant with his kid). Carrie writing a book trashing the CIA and the US was what they came up with because it lowers his guard.
@@Arakko-i7h sorry ^^ i didnt saw the telefilms
The sparks kept most people engaged while never really fully committing...
"Carrie, acknowledge!"
I laughed when they said that lol
"Carrie turn around NAAAOOWW"
Let's not forget that Carrie was pregnant at this moment lmao. How tf did her daughter was born normal, with such a stressful pregnancy period.
Carrie was fucking hilarious without even trying! Love this show 🎉😂❤
Quinn was f#%*in’ awesome!
Carrie on the other hand does my head in most the time with disobeying Sauls orders and putting other people at risk for what she thinks
@@niamhne8046she's a brilliant actress
3:30 Why was Carrie so distant with Saul at the end?
Carrie/Saul distance, this is a really good question and not one I think I’ve addressed in the 7+ years since the season three finale. The Carrie/Saul distrust and distance was one of the main throughlines of season three and established early on. Their distrust was mutual. They were able to come together when it mattered, but the reality is that:
- Saul left Carrie in a mental hospital for a month and fundamentally lied to her about the extent of what was supposed to be a shared plan (3.01-3.04);
- Saul had no interest in tracking Carrie when she was taken by Javadi’s men, another seeming departure from a shared plan (3.05-3.06);
- Saul lied to Carrie about his location and plan to retrieve Brody as the final step of his “peace in the Middle East” plan (3.08-3.09);
- Carrie went along with Saul’s plan, knowing it would almost certainly end in Brody’s death, and while she can’t blame for Saul for that, I do think she might have resented him for putting it in motion (i.e., offering Brody up as a sacrificial lamb) and was projecting her own guilt onto him (3.09-3.12);
- Saul was passed over for the CIA directorship and Carrie stayed and more or less toed the company line with his replacement, Lockhart. While Saul voiced an outward pride in the promotion of his protégé, he may have felt the same loyalty he showed Carrie over the years was in some regard repaid (3.12). The flipped dynamic of Carrie on the inside, Saul on the outside, is explored further in season four.
1:45 Why was Quinn's underutilization throughout season 3 after being critical at the start of season 2?
I don’t think Quinn was really underutilized in season three until the end, now that’s because he really had no role in concluding the Carrie/Brody saga so he was understandably sidelined.
Do Saul and Quinn know Brody isn't behind the Langley bombing? Both Saul and Quinn were aware that Brody's confession tape was prerecorded for the suicide vest attack in season one, NOW do they believe Brody repurposed the tape for the Langley bombing or do they believe he was set-up? Have I missed any dialogue from this season that gives the audience a hint of what Saul or Quinn believe?
They both know, eventually. Carrie would have told Saul immediately that it wasn’t Brody, now we also know that Saul doesn’t believe Brody is entirely innocent either (“he’s a man who put on a suicide vest, that’s who he is, that’s who he always will be”).
Quinn says something in mid-season three about Brody being the bomber and Carrie has to correct him.
3:35 She really did love Saul, didn't she.
I love how this show made Carrie look like an idiot. This is how crazy (yet well intentioned) people get in the real world. There's been way too much deitification of female protagonists in Hollywood lately.
Carrie was right, as per usual …
He should of took a kill shot instead
she is so unstable person. in fact she would be fired in real life
YES!! I wish Quinn was the main and she died seasons ago
@@baileyspeltbeefy1768 Agree, I fucking hate her. Quinn is the best
@@ingridmay66 i agree, yet i also understand that despite a volatile officer, she's still a brilliant woman
@@santiagobarbe2007 She isn't a brilliant woman. Carrie was a bad CIA agent, mother and friend. Most of the colleagues who worked with her died through her fault. I don't understand why some viewers adore her. Her character was awful.
What was Saul's opinion about Brody in S2? And why is there a change of opinion fromsaul about him at the end of S3?
1. He had to tolerate his existence because of Carrie.
2. In fact, Saul never actively liked Brody (I believe). At the end of season three I don’t think his opinion has changed.
It would be possible to clarify the following doubts:
- Another loose thread: Paul Franklin and the murder of the "real" CIA bomber. You just did that ... why?
- I would like to see Homeland reveal how the CIA explained Brody in Iran and his death to the American press. Clearly, Javadi being able to take credit for capturing Brody helped his cause in Iran, but did the US government reveal Brody's role in Akbari's murder? Was his name cleared for the CIA attack? I'd love to know what you thought.
Carrie was publicly humiliated, beaten, doped, shot and put her life on the line countless times without hesitation, just to make others see Brody as she saw him ... and succeeded. Abu Nazir, the CIA, Jessica and the show's own audience, no one came close to seeing Brody with the clarity Carrie has always seen. Carrie has always read Brody like no one else.
Ah, Carrie's dialogue with Javadi was awesome, it will be one of the most memorable moments of the series, without a doubt!
"And what you wanted, which was for everyone to see in him what you see. That has happened. Everyone sees him through your eyes now ..."
- How did Carrie see Brody? and how did the US come to see it? It's the world?
We can say that Nick Brody was one of the best-built characters in history - alongside Carrie, Saul and Quinn.
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