Shapeoko Feeds & Speeds and Machining Tips!
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- Desktop CNC machines like the Carbide 3D Shapeoko can do amazing things if you have the right tooling, workholding, speeds, and feeds. This video is full of tips, tricks, and detailed information that can help you get a better cut! First, we'll take an in-depth look at tooling, the importance of flute count, and minimum chip load. Next, it's time for test cuts, speeds, feeds, and data review. Last but not least, we'll machine a relatively large piece of stock into an intake manifold plenum base with raised velocity stacks!
00:00 Intro
01:37 Tooling Options
02:05 Manufacturer Recommendations VS. Minimum Chipload
04:12 Flute Count
05:39 Machine Setup
06:56 Makita Router
08:11 Adaptive VS. Pocket
08:53 Test Part CAD
10:06 Adaptive Slot CAM
14:05 Test Cut 1: Shallow Adaptive
15:31 Test Cut 2: High Depth Adaptive
18:07 Test Cut 3: Old Speeds & Feeds
20:45 Test Cut Conclusion + Speeds & Feeds Software Comparison
21:51 Intake Manifold Speeds & Feeds
23:03 CNC Machining Intake Manifold (Adaptive/Roughing)
25:47 Vesc Data
27:13 CNC Machining Intake Manifold (Remaining Adaptive/Roughing)
27:43 CNC Machining Intake Manifold (Finishing - Scallop + 2D Contour)
27:58 Measuring The Part
28:43 Outro
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Links for this video
Ways to Upgrade Your Shapeoko 3 | bit.ly/2KKHahF
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Reach us / CNC Info:
Speeds & Feeds: provencut.com
Download Fusion 360: www.dpbolvw.net/click-9255839...
Online Fusion 360 Training: bit.ly/LearnFusion360
Hands-On CNC Classes: www.nyccnc.com/events
SMW Products: saundersmachineworks.com/
CNC Resources: www.nyccnc.com 5 Reasons to Use a Fixture Plate on Your CNC Machine: bit.ly/3sNA4uH - Наука та технологія
Awesome content - please do more of this! As a proud owner of a shapeoko-like machine, this information is priceless for me.
Damn. finally got to see and hear straight from The Man, the Myth, The Legend... Vince.Fab! I want to see more about this vesc setup!
I'll say. We need a step by step how to video.
Agreed. That data logging is pretty sweet.
Appreciate you taking the time to put this together. I've just gotten my Shapeoko mainly for woodworking but as a hot rodder I can see the aluminum use cases now as well. Thank You
This video haunts my thoughts whenever I think about the capabilities of desktop CNC machines. No other video has shown this kind of effective material removal. I am always in awe at how you've set this up and hold it in the highest regard. There is something special going on here and it's incredible each time I watch this. I wish my machine was as well setup as this one. Amazing.
Omg thank you so much for putting mm and prices on each tool. Please keep doing that. So much attention to detail and that matters and is appreciated so much
Amazing video! Huge thanks for the detail and explanation! Understanding HOW you got your feeds and speeds was super helpful.
Thanks for doing content like this! Its a lot more relevant to us hobby makers, keep it up!
As a new Shapeoko Pro and Tormach 1100M owner, this is just the type of video I need. Thanks for sharing!
That spike after the helix entrance, is the scariest and neatest thing to watch!
Awesome video Vince: the perfect blend of Fusion, live cutting and data analysis!
This is the video I've been waiting for. Very concise, thank you vince
Awesome work Vince and SMW! Amazing resource for the community and inspirational!
Thanks for this video, there's lots of advice on feeds and speeds but not much where people follow through and make the part... Great work! 👍
Very informative. Keep up the good work Vince!
Awesome video and love the detail. Keep it up Vince!
Thank you so much for this, it's really appreciated
So interesting! Thanks for making this vid. Would love more of this stuff!
Excellent video, thankyou in helping me in the never ending quest to find the limits of the Shapeoko.
This is some excellent content. Well done.
Another awesome video Vince!!! I think a finishing strategies video is needed next!
This is awesome can't wait for more
Good information here, am going to have to watch again
First, thank you for being data and experiment driven. I think this is key. Your recommendation on large radial but shallow axial is a great nugget, as I've heard people push to go deep, but reduce radial. The results and MRRs speak for themselves. I own a PocketNC and this is definitely very useful information. I've also found (based on ProvenCut) great surface finish, even with Adaptive, when using large radial, small axial (anti-HSM). Your reminder of the importance of flutes in the feed rate is also very helpful. Thanks again!
This was a great video and good description of tool paths.
Best content!! Glad they hired this guy!
This should now give the Carbide3D channel some competition! Followed Vince for ages, really impressed to see his mods to stock non-pro Shapeokos! Let's see some more vids.
Love the video! Looking forward to seeing more on the desktop side on NYCNC from you Vince. Also, for the final contour for the last part, did you use tabs?
Thoroughly enjoyed that, subscribed, great detail
That's great to see! The delrin v-wheels on my x axis broke the first time I cut aluminum on my Shapeoko XXL. I need to play with it more...
Great info. I smell motorsport spirit. That's good!
been waiting for this for so long
Really great video! Lots of great information!
now THAT is stunning work.
This is right where I am at as a total beginner, thanks for the info!
Thank you very much for this vid. I realize a lot of thing Im doing bad. Beautiful and well explained job.
More Vince! Great video 👍🏻
Great bit of information for new CNC operators like myself. I've only done wood and some acrylic, but seeing this sure makes me want to give aluminum a stab! Thanks Vince!
great video, please keep them comming
Great content. Well done!
Excellent content!
Thank you. Informative
Great content. This video single handedly changed my entire machining experience because you showed the date on single flute. Can’t believe how well they work! Seems like more is going on with them than just the single flute? Extra sharp?
Thank you very much for this.
I would love to see some drilling tests on that Modkita! Overvolted and low RPMs, potential game changer even if just for wood. Awesome content, thanks Vince and the others who collaborated on this.
Problem with brushless motors is that their torque drops off at low RPM without massive current draw.
That is UA-cam in another level!!
Great tips
love this
I would love to see more about your shapeoko as far as how everything is setup with links to where I could get some of that stuff (forgive me if there is one around I don’t normally have enough time to follow NYC CNC much)
Anyone have a link to a write up on the Makita Brushless mod? Can't seem to find anything. Mainly need to know how many amps for the ESC and what to use as a power supply - will an old 1000W computer power supply work?
It was given in the video. They ran 27V and 300W. Makita runs a 5s battery so nominal is less than 21V. A 12v PSU from a computer is not what you want. A 24V for a 3D printer is cheap.
im telling you, you want to ditch that thing and get a real spindle and a VFD. its pretty easy to figure out if you can understand a shapeoko you can install the spindle and VFD. you can get 800 watt spindles that will fit where your current Makita router is at. i just recently installed a water cooled 800 watt spindle and its way nicer and way way way quieter
@@frankfontaine1559 I would agree
The router claims to be the equivalent of a 1.25HP ac router. So, a 1000W 24V power supply should do.
Good video! Just what I was looking for. I have a custom built servo drive Datron style CNC. I don't get the hogging cuts. I cut .020"-0.050" max. Thanks for the post!
This is awesome, Vince! I have a Shapeoko XL, so now I need to go down the rabbit hole of modified VESC routers and some of those calculator and analysis tools you were using!
I've just started pushing a little harder with wood, but seeing those alu cuts is super encouraging.
I've also been eyeing up those SMW fixture plates and mod vices for a while, but I think with shipping to UK and import duties, it's gonna double the price at least :(
Really looking forward to seeing more of your desktop machine content here!
You can get similar vices from Germany but I guess you have import duties now too? You could also mill these vices yourself, the expensive parts are the pit bull clamps.
Have your tried Coolcomponents? They could add these to stock, maybe.
Nice video, keep it up, thank you :)
They say push it until it breaks then back it down. But that's in a production shop and they can afford end mills.
Nice video, i never tried to cut aluminum but i need to test it for make some parts for upgrade my cnc. I have some videos in my channel with 3D reliefs in wood maybe in some time i put some with aluminum cutting following your recommendations.
Thanks for your videos :)
Cheers Vince
"those butteryflies you get right before you start cutting, thats the best"
This dude gets it
Great video! Are you running that 6mm Datron bit in a 1/4" collet? Also, you folks should setup a separate playlist for desktop CNC info, that would be swanky!
I don't have a Shapeoko at hand, but I bet you can run the 1st toolpath as a 2D pocket too. Saves you all the accelerations and decelerations of the adaptive shown here.
Just found this video! Thank you for making a video specifically geared towards desktop machines! Is there a separate channel that you for this topic specifically?
@17:00 watch the chips vibrate across the top of the work surface. That was the clue to chatter in addition to the sound. Definitely getting close to danger zone.
All this seems to be good for tools of 1/8 or greater.
Having played with 1.5mm and some 1/32 end mills finding that staring point for Feeds&Speeds can be hard.
Bantam Tools had a speeds and feeds starting point that helped a fair bit for single flute machines that operate in our RPM range.
.05mm depth of cut and step over for a 1/32 end mill means it is time to start seriously looking at Remaining Stock Machining
Great clip. Would have loved to see some metric conversions.
That buck tool is so sweet. I hope you would have showed what a piece looks like once pressed...
I love your "spindle" solution. I bought one of those cheap Chinese water cooled spindles ($300 for the whole package including VFD and pump) but I think the Makita will be more stable and have a longer life time in the end. I use mostly small cutters so small collets (1/8", 3 and 4 mm) are a must for me.
I never thought of checking the MRR for my desktop mill but after this I'll be doing this more often although my desktop mill is used less often these days, I now have access to a Haas VF3 that I use for almost all jobs that are more than just a tiny engraving.
Hi! Learning lots from these (:
I wondered why you used a single flute here for the finish instead of a 2 flute?
Thanks for the info Vince! Does Millalyzer work for industrial VMC’s or is it only meant for hobby machines?
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Awesome!! What endmill parameters did you use with Millalyzer? Did you get them from Datron? How hot did the router stator and rotor get?
Nice
Hi Vince
Thanks for a great informative video!
Would you recommend this strategy in plastic to?
Shallow depth of cut and almost full WOC?
Im cutting 20mm HDPE sheets with a 6mm single flute Datron.
Do you normally run a chip (dust) boot when milling aluminum and/or other metals?
Great piece - just got my SMW fixture plate & mod vises.
@NYCCNC do you have a link for that speed controller you used to convert the Makita from battery?
The only thing I get to machine at work is 300 series stainless, so it took me a minute to figure out how you’ve never worn out a tool. Lol I do it all the time
Do you have a video on your makita mod, logging, and setup?
hey man this video helped me so much! I do have a question though. I have a part to cut out of some 10mm thick aluminum. for a 2d contour along the perimeter of the part what would you recommend? more or less same settings? or should I do something different
hi NYC CNC, thank you for this great video 👌
Being French, would it be possible on the next videos to activate the subtitles in order to have them in French? 🙏
Can you post a video detailing how you set up the VESC to work with the Makita? I have a big 6384 skateboard BLDC I want to use as a spindle motor with a 48V 30A power supply and a vesc 6 but the setup videos are always tailored towards battery users
@NYC CNC - Any chance you could share all of the machine and other settings you use in Millalyzer by chance? I picked it up after this video so like that I can play around with it for my Shapeoko XXl. I want to try replicating the same cut parameters as you did in the video to learn about how it works.
I would love to see what part that made at 1:35, or other similar metal shaping press parts.
I have a Millright MegaV that I want to mod to using the fixture plates and mod vices.
It will help me gain some z-height back that my current fixturing space eats up. Also will help me gain rigidity for better feeds/speeds
I started with machining carbon fiber under water with a filtration setup(megav made this easy to set up) for easy disposal of cf waste. Recently started playing with aluminum and that is where my desire for mod vises and fixture plate is becoming a reality.
Single flutes were the special sauce success for ease of life at 19k rpm. I have been between 25-50% the width of tool for depth of cut on 3mm to .250in end mills and then playing with step over as needed unless I am slotting.
Have run into some STRANGE behavior with the 2d pocket program not wanting to select features or machine through selected features. Was able to skin that cat by doing a 2d adaptive roughing then do a contour finishing pass. But similar part(70% smaller) model the pocketing operation worked perfect.
Did you already make the risers to raise the machine up then?
What machine are you using in this video? Great part it looks smooth as butter
Nice I have a homebrew macine made from ebay parts and rails realy need to replace tose but the sound is similar I do have one of tose 2.2 kw chinise spindle wich it good enough however I want to upgrade the bearings but that a bit of a problem it's not a normal every day size I love my macine but it has its quirks somting about paralelports and so on
Great video! Any information how to get the variable speed to work with the vesc? I like the idea of using a BLDC motor and feedback. Thanks!
I can't speak for how it was done in the video but on my machine I have the vesc set to speed mode and use a pwm signal from the control board to the vesc servo input.
I have learnt alot brother, where can i find good supplier for billet aluminum
Thanks for the great topic. How much is the machine?
Coconut oil or Griddle fry I used that when I worked in Aerospace. Safer than WD-40 and will clean up much better.
Would you share some info on the Makita+VESC conversion? What model of VESC are you using, what setting are you at?
Are the concepts being shown here applicable to small milling machines like a Grizzly G0704 ? Are there any nuances between a router and mill that need to be considered?
That is an amazing result from a belt driven machine, do you think it would be even better on a onefinity because it is not belt driven?
Is the limit of the shapeoko the rigidity the construction or is the chatter most caused cause of the router spindle?
Im confused about how you set the ramping feedrate and the plunge feedrate, is it the same rule 0.001 per flute? I always seem to get pretty bad chatter on my plunges even with the Z+
Can you drill 1/8" holes in AL6061 with a shapeoko and makita router or do you need to interpolate them with a smaller endmill?
Nice showcase of the Modkita Vince! You really should redo the wiring on that though. It is better to have the VESC near the powersupply.
"It is better to have the VESC near the powersupply" - why?
Wish you could have done this on a stock Shapeoko.
“Vince is the king of Shapeoko”, JeromyReno
You should do the tests with a standard machine using standard router bits.
I use OSG router tools on my Haas and they work great for plastics and other soft materials. On bigger machines you end up running out of feed speed to push those tools.
Anyone know what shell mill was used in the intro?
Where can I find, "millalyzer user manual" that he used in this video?
So help me understand how cutting 1/2 the time in a toolpath is efficient. Why is it not more efficient to make perimeter paths until you get to the stacks then go to you interrupted cut time paths?
How does tram factor in to tolerances? Obviously it affects it, but will a spindle that is out 0.01" in a 5" circle produce a 5" part that is out 0.01"?
Thanks for sharing this. Can you make a video how you converted the makita to be controlled by vesc? And the cam/controller software/hardware to use to control it?
BTW, that's was an impressive speed/depth, I never thought the makita with vesc can maintain that torque and speed.
Thanks.