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Ahahah, 15000 poor souls lose there jobs. Meanwhile intel ceo still refusing to take Responsibility. The lawsuit is becoming more and more real everyday.
Ive been waiting so bad for steve to drop another video on intel after that happened Same with the guy in /r/hardware who has intel trying to claim his microcenter+amazon 14000 series were somehow counterfit
Before I say this, I want to be clear that I am not saying that intel is not at fault here. They are horribly at fault. Rather, I want to get across just how screwed the American processor market is going to be. Intel used to have a profit of anywhere from $8 to $20 billion a year. Their revenue has been declining each year, but more importantly, they're not profit by a much larger margin. On $54 billion of revenue, they had $1.4 billion in profit. $1.4 billion in profit sounds amazing, but that is a profit margin of about two or three percent. That's horrible. The reason this is horrible when you have such a low profit margin is that there is such a small margin of error. Making $1.4 billion on $2 or $3 billion in revenue is awesome. Making $1.4 billion or $1.6 billion on $54 billion in revenue is terrible because any very small deviation will set you off path to losing insane amounts of money. I can't find exact numbers on how many of these processors Intel sold, or average price. So I'm just going to pull some figures Out of thin air to demonstrate the point. Let's say the global PC market is about 200 million PCs a year. Let's assume that Intel has 50% market share and that these processors are $100 each. These are very conservative numbers. This would come out to somewhere around $1 billion in refunds. If they're making $1.6 billion in net profit last year before that $8 billion, year before that $20 billion, they are on their way to being negative $5 or negative $10 billion given the declining revenue and their horribly declining reputation. It's easy to imagine the refunds for this being in the range of one to five billion dollars if they were to actually take full accountability and responsibility. Having one year's worth of refunds or RMA's be worth multiples of your net profit as your revenue and net profit is declining by leaps and bounds each year means Intel not being a company a few years from now if they don't play their cards right. I 100% believe that Intel should be held to task and held accountable and responsible for every single defective product they sold to a customer. That is the only right answer, and it is what must be done. At the same time, this is not just something that is bad for Intel. This is also going to be bad for us when one of the major American processor companies potentially goes out of business. Surely there would be some venture capital firm or bank or a large investor that purchases the company for scraps like vultures, but during that time period the company is likely not going to be keeping up to date and being competitive or able to be competitive with their offerings, which means that other companies making processors (which for desktops and laptops are few and far between) Now have the luxury of playing the game on easy mode. I can see other companies beating Intel, ARM stuff in the laptop arena with Apple's processors and AMD and every other arena. But the reason that they have to stay on top is because they realize that if they get lazy, that Intel will eat their lunch. That pressure on other manufactures going away is not good for the consumer As it allows other companies to get lazier with what they are building. Again, I am not saying this to say that Intel should not take responsibility. They should have to take the same amount of responsibility that I have in the past when I realized that I had defective parts that I put in customer devices. The only acceptable thing when I figured this out was to email and phone call each and every one of them and offer them a replacement along with a warranty that was extended several years past the one-year warranty that we offer. Nothing short of this would be acceptable, and my customers who have received these emails know what I'm talking about. If you only respond to the issue or admit there is an issue once your customers are already fully aware of it, it doesn't matter because that means your intention was to try and pretend it wasn't there to get around taking responsibility financially all along. The only right thing to do is to help your customers before they even realize there is an issue. But even if Intel takes full accountability and responsibility for this, which they damn well better, this is not only going to hurt Intel. We're talking about tens of billions of dollars of societal resources that have been completely wasted on this, and that is going to affect everyone because of Intel's mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes when it comes to design, and as long as you are open to admitting Your mistakes, it is forgivable. Yet the ramifications of this mistake might end up not only hurting intel, but seriously harming consumers for several years to come. You can't have tens of billions of dollars get lit on fire and have that, not have ripple effects throughout the industry. Because those tens of billions of dollars represent wasted silicon, wasted engineering time, wasted fabrication. Even if Intel does fully cover every single customer, no BS, no excuses, releases a full recall program, I am still sad for the fact that this happened as it is going to negatively affect the industry for years to come in the form of higher prices, less competition, and shittier processors across the board.
While intel only reports a profit of 1.4 Billion, this is due to them shuffling money around and Stock buybacks to inflate stock price and everything else these garbage companies due to reduce their 'profit' on paper so they dont have to pay as much in Taxes. Since taxes are based on reported income. Im surprised that Rossman didnt point this out at all as he would be aware more then most about how this works.
Hmm... Intel is cutting 15% of its workforce (around 17,000 jobs) -- just months after receiving $8.5 billion in federal grant money to help bring back chipmaking to the U.S.
Their FABs are "delayed," or construction ceased completely. Cancelled plans as well as just sitting doing nothing. It seems to me they want out of FAB and are not going to honour their commitments. The whole thing is a mess.
Executives are seen as heartless for a few reasons. One, typically, they get positions that they aren't qualified for, only because they have connections. Nepotism, basically. And the main reason... is because they're on various drugs. Not things like, coke or heroin. But like, speed, etc.
@@GoburinDesuka well, maybe if this CEO would receive 15 million less, it would help to save some thousands of jobs. Also, according to the video there are other CEOs that make even more money. I just think it woul be better to save tens of millions of dollars involving only three people instead of thousands. Also, these CEOs already are rich and these employees probably need much more their monthly salary.
@@GoburinDesuka its 16 mil for the CEO only. When you add up the board of directors, head of departments, expense on company jets, hotel expenses and more it adds up and fast. Ofc this is also a common pattern of every big company ever. Things go south, people in production get fired, now its even more difficult to break even and eventually company goes bankrupt, while management walks off with hundreds of millions in bonuses and severence packages for the job well done. If there is trouble and you have to fire people it is not hard to take a pay cut when you make 16 mil a year, no?
@@GoburinDesuka Taking a paycut is a way to signal responsibility. It will not save the company in terms of finance, but it sends a signal to everyone that tough times are ahead, but responsibility is shared. Cutting jobs may be necessary, but when you raise your bonus AND at the same time lay off workers because the company is doing poorly speaks volumes about management engagement in the fate of the company. Also morale.
Not accepting RMAs before is breach of warranty, blaming motherboard manufacturers is defamation, continuing to sell CPUs they knew would degrade is basically fraud. There should be a lot of lawsuits over all this.
I won't say never myself, as Intel has their moments like the first few Core i* gens where they just flew on single-thread perf (and so far at least two Netburst moments to torch some of that interest), but I really went from seeing Intel and AMD desktop/mobile chips as roughly equivalent to seeing AMD as the only option I'm willing to throw a dime at if I need to in the next, oh iunno, probably decade.
@@StopChangingUsernamesUA-cam Yeah, never stay loyal to a brand forever. AMD has pulled shady stuff in the past as well. Always research the current products and don't just buy the brand because their product was good in the past or assume the brand is bad because they were bad in the past.
I’ve been building systems for quite a while, and remember when AMD was the one with dicey quality. I did a 13900K system for my son last year, and now it’s taking a crap. I was team Intel forever, but no more - I’m done.
As someone who works for a currently embattled, once great, America manufacturer who's CEO also received a 45% pay increase while cutting back rank and file benefits, this stuff is beyond infuriating.
it's common for decades they swoop in for often 2-3 years, make cuts, outsource everything and strip the companies asset's, and unempower all the employee's for short term massive profits and pay packets then move on to the next business after getting 100m's in stocks and golden parachutes etc - laws need to change!
I feel like GN investigative techniques, protocols and more should be taught to governmental bodies and ombudsman. Consistently consumer focussed and educational. Thank you, Steve and team.
I don't think we're that good. There are more qualified people in the world for that, but for a guy in a Tshirt and jeans yelling at the clouds for 16 years, I appreciate the kindness. I'm learning and studying all the time to try and improve on things I realize we could have done better from the last one. We are very much still learning this as we go and improving with time, and I hope to keep refining. Keeps the job fun. Thank you for the support!
@@GamersNexusYeah, but those aren't employed by the governments of the world Steve! They'd much rather employ friends, family, famil of friends and donors....
@@GamersNexus There are always people more qualified at some point or another. Qualified doesn't always translate to action. You can be good at something and still do nothing about it. It's that seemingly unwavering ideals Steve and the team pursue - Consumer focus, transparency, ethics - that seems to be noticeably growing in absence in governmental bodies and such over the last decade or so. Keep on yelling at the clouds as it has brought us bountiful rains more often than not. Thank you for all the good work.
I'm so glad people 1000x more informed on this topic, are finally digging at it. I thought my brand new, cutting edge PC that I built myself, had issues I couldn't resolve. I went through hell doing BIOS flashes, driver wipes and reinstalls, editing configs, reinstalling windows, even fully replaced both motherboard and RAM. Only thing that solved my problems was undervolting/underclocking my CPU, which i guess inadvertently solved some of my issues. As someone who spent over $4000USD on a brand new PC at the height of scalpers in the Covid market (I didn't pay scalper price, it just took 3 months of checking every day to get the parts when they were in stock), I'm fucking furious at the quality control of this. I cannot WAIT for Intel to do absolutely fucking nothing about it, not issue recalls, not issue any credit, and just act like it never happened. AMD just won the CPU race because of this colossal blunder.
THIS IS CRAZY! im the guy that posted on asus forums about the microcode temperature change! i thought i was going crazy about what was going on with the cpu but seeing my post on a GN video was a fucking trip! great video! i hope to see more parts :)
@@mikeh6423 0x104 is an extremely early beta microcode that has bugged temperature readings. It was built 6 months before raptor launch. It also performs worse, so don’t use it.
It's crazy how well this lines up with The Narcissist's Prayer "That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it." I think the only part missing is the final one.
@@seeibe They actually don't, because they're stuck in the past. It's AMD who is doing the influencer marketing. You're living proof of their brainwashing.
It was great being at a work celebration for a new product meeting a milestone on its way to being shipped, then immediately after it was over getting an email about the job losses and cuts. Then listening in on the All Company Meeting and being told our benefits are being cut/reduced. Made that party in which they rented a cotton candy machine, and bought tons of food seem extravagant. There's another celebration coming up, maybe I need to start looking for a new job... P.S Thanks for including the part about the cuts GN, Intel is failing its customers and its employees.
One time I got a payment in the mail for $5 for my credit bureau getting hacked and losing my ssn and info to hackers..... I'd be suprised if customers get more than $20 back in a decade loool
Family member just got a check for over $500 from a class action suit of 130k "litigants". Not as many victims as most class actions, but she was happy with the extra money!
@@2hotscot people like your family member are the dream client for class action lawyers. Lawyers don't want to disclose the actual share of money that goes towards the claimants, cuz then the claimants might not accept until they get a bigger slice of the pie
Bought a raptop lake in a laptop last year. It's now a paper weight. No recall and they aren't doing one. Retailer zero help, manufacture of the machine doesn't care. I've been on intel chips for 25 years. Even stuck with them after seeing and hearing a lot of it turn in the last few years. They lost a customer for life. I'll never buy one again.
Guys install the intel tweaking utility look it up and check out some guides... you can undervolt plus power limit and raise the fan speeds so the processor doesn't get too hot. If you can I'd also open it up do a thorough cleaning and put new thermal paste on it. I got a 13980hx and I've been undervolting it since day one. Heck you can also disable some e-cores as well that should help keep it at a cooler temperature and use the power you are giving it more efficiently... got mine 8/8 disabled half the e-cores. So far so good and performance basically feels just as fast outside of doing anything that could use those extra 8 e-cores... but it's not a big deal or difference even outside of that scenario. It is what it is... this sucks but if you properly tweak your system you can basically render it a non issue.
@@PeremptorValuable tips and advice! But sadly consumers shouldn't be having to do this just so their computer works as they expect, having to sacrifice performance (which was a main selling point) just to keep the chip from frying itself is still disgraceful
@@Peremptor Thanks for the tip but mine is too far gone. It basically has to run at a tenth of the power to not bsod everywhere. If it wasn't a laptop I would just buy a new one and wait for the updates but it's past the point of no return. I've already built AMD for new desktop since I was due there. My old skylake was also overheating. It's time to wash my hands of intel. Lesson learned.
10 days into an RMA request. Only reaponse I've gotten is "here's our specs, make sure you're running them. We'll talk again in a month." Terrible customer service. The thought of going through this a 2nd tine is sickening.
im also on my second RMA mine was quite fast in process but they wanted a lot of troubleshooting from my side to prove its not my outdated bios, ram, microcodes, drivers etc
@@NonsensGamingIt goes without saying but just a reminder to everyone that you never enabled XMP. While they'd be insane to hold that against people now, it could delay the RMA and any corporation in the middle the wall street high dive isn't your friend.
Same, been trying to get an RMA for 2 weeks. had to repeat to them 3 times I already did everything they suggested sughested. Nothing nut crickets for the last week
Remember all their disclaimers about overclocking listing to shorter CPU life? Yeah... About that. Turns out they ran them at their overclocked, overvolted max from factory. Oops!
I always felt like that was more or less what they were doing. They haven't been able to keep up with AMD on the GPU side so far, AMD's newer Ryzens also just perform better for the most part, so just to remain relevant, Intel makes themselves the fastest by virtue of being the most power hungry.
The bias on Reddit by admins is almost universal in regards to supporting and covering for companies on communities that cover products by them. This applies to toy companies, game companies, and film companies like Disney. People tend to forget things like the Id fiasco with Mick Gordon and how he was initially buried on Reddit before the truth finally came out in a overwhelming manner. Things like that actually happen often on Reddit.
It's why I don't really trust Reddit for good faith discourse. These Reddit admins think way too highly of themselves to warrant trying to make decent discourse. Like, good job, you made it to being an admin on a niche forum. Still won't make you likable if you suck as a person.
I want my Disappointment Comforter. After building a 13600k system, will need one. System is now running in non threaded mode, etc, justy to hobble along until I finish my new AMD machine. AMD messed up, and fixed things for customers. Intel? Yeah. Scumbag isn't the word for it.
I think there's going to be an purely Intel-Edition Disappointment Shirt. Not even joking one bit. The amount of hubris and resulting in their product quality/service train crash is definitely a lot to digest.
This year the shirt requires a matching pant to continue the list…. No! Now the shorts, the one after -> the pant. First with one long leg along with the announcement that the year after there will be one with two. And when this is done, we take care of the malfunctioning zippers and come up with a crazy idea, called buttons.
Any Aussies reading the comments.... if this effects you PLEASE contact the ACCC. The way the Australia consumer protection watchdog is setup its very difficult for it to launch an investigation until a victim complains. And the ACCC REALLY needs to step in here.
Just got myself a 12900ks for $499 aud, I am guessing since people will be staying away from 13900s and 14900s now is the best time to sell the older i9 😂
Aussie here....is there a specific email address to use or reference of existing submission we can quote. Just worried that unless there is avalanche of submissions they may treat individual complaints as blip as they don't make the connection.
I believe that 13/14th gen processors should be pulled from the shelves of sellers so users can't buy a defective product and get rejected by RMA. This has got to be illegal. Faulty products should not be for sale without user accessible refunds!
this is why i don't buy any usa products if its from corporation. because ever since 2020 corps has became scam artist in a business suit for "stockholders"
Echoes of GE and Jack Welch. The only words that seem to describe the situation are "corporate looting". Shareholders squeeze everything out of a legacy brand til it shrivels up and then move on to the next one.
@@XIIchiron78 interesting reading, I didn’t know that story but yes, quick value adds with wide spread firing and cost cutting, avoiding problems, this video is like the court case where the murderer is shown every sneaky thing he did in an attempt to cover up what he’s done. Appalling
Thanks for noticing! Andrew added those probably around 6-8 years ago now and it remains one of his best ideas for the video templating. I'll let him know you like them!
@@GamersNexus The funny thing about that? I fast-forward/skip things in your videos much less than others because I know what I'm getting as I watch it. ;)
@@GamersNexusVery good decision. I'm so used to always pause and read. Then I have an unknown amount of time to listen to the speaker repeat some of the text I have already read. With the flowing bar, I can deduce if I need to pause or not. And the flowing speed will also tell me if you will read all the visible text so I can liaten, or if I need to hurry and read everything before the text is removed. That feature alone is worth an extra chrismas present for the one suggesting it. It makes the videos 5x better. Which counts a lot when the videos was great even before...
Intel's strategy worked phenomenally. They posted an article blaming motherboard manufacturers for high voltage causing CPU degradation, then waited for tech journalists to run the headline before admitting that the real issue is a silicon-level defect. The microcode and BIOS updates certainly look like band-aid fixes, meant to delay the flaw from presenting until the warranty expires.
Not defending Intel, but it is possible that they investigated the issue finding genuine motherboard issues. And while clearly that was not the root cause Intel may not have known that at the time.
I absolutely root for you keeping your job, but if the corpo shills decide otherwise, please think that it's probably a better outcome for you in the long run.
Good luck mate, sorry for the feelings of instability brought on to you. Get out ahead of it and quietly get your resume out on the job market now. Searching is not committing, it’s just smart and practical. That’s what I’m doing.
As someone who couldn't emotionally handle the first round of CPM and layoffs last year at Intel, it took me about 6 months to get an offer elsewhere. Best to update your resume and start looking now if you're not already since it might take some time, just in case. Also, likely anywhere else you go now will be a lot better, whether it's Qualcomm, AMD, Apple, NVIDIA, Samsung, etc. Wishing you all the best.
The CEO needs to be replaced ASAP. Cutting 15,000k jobs while retaining the CEO is just insane. Building an AMD system this last time around has been a great decision. Officially an AMD Fanboy now. lol
Intel tried to blame motherboard manufacturers for doing something that has been a standard practice in the industry for around 2 decades. And other tech influences backed them up. But we knew it was BS. Thanks Steve.
@hung8969intel fucked up by not giving clear guidance on what manufacturers can do with CPUs out of the box in their mobos, that's on them, but mobo manufacturers are also to blame for pushing the CPUs too far, it's not complicated, only somebody biased would suggest mobo manufacturers aren't also partly at fault, sure not as much as Intel, far from it, but still partly at fault.
@@hugeassets8678Wendell from Level1Tech fucking said his take is reasonable but noooooooooo, gotta be biased ig. Also he said nothing wrong, he made it clear both parties are at fault which is objective fact, but GN audience is sadly pathetic, which is weird because Steve is polar opposite.
That sabbatical change is actually huge, it's always been 8 weeks every 7 years (with an option for 4 weeks at 4 years instead, introduced about ten years ago), so this is halving the benefit, functionally removing about 3 working days a year of paid vacation. The use it or lose it change is just a reduction from 3 years to 2 which isn't as big a deal (but could make it more difficult for some large teams to schedule their time off around each other as easily).
If you search Intel Sabbatical Program their public facing US benefits website still has the current plan up at least as of this moment (can't post links on YT). To quote the relevant section: "A hallmark of Intel is our extraordinary sabbatical program established over 30 years ago. Sabbaticals give employees the option to celebrate their fourth anniversary at Intel with four weeks off with full pay, or their seventh with eight weeks-all in addition to regular vacation time."
I retired several years back but still have friends working there; I'm interested in hearing from them how they feel about this, and wonder when it will be implemented and how (if it's effective immediately, imagine being 6.5 years into your 7 year wait and looking forward to 8 weeks off soon that just became 4).
@@Xiuhtecas you used to work at Intel I'm sure you know they'll probably put some stipulations up where if you're in your 6th or 7th year you get the old plan or something. My Dad used to work there as a blue badge in Hillsboro Oregon. He got laid off during the last huge layoff I don't know 12 years ago? They paid him his entire sabbatical even though he wasn't there yet along with quite a few other things so I don't think they'll just screw their current employees like that. They are usually pretty fair
So let me get this correct. CEO and the boardmembers made terrible decisions. Consequence result in regular joes losing their job while CEO and board members get a payout. I...don't understand how any of this is legal.
whenever I see videos like these, that you put out, I think to myself "maybe I can find a use for a mat". you definitely deserve our support, with the whole timeline, screenshots, sources from all over the place... I can say that you are among the few I can say are journalists. you set and rise the bar for everyone that reports on anything. thank you
@@endemion06463 Free speech means your government can't keep you from speaking. It doesn't mean people who own Twitter accounts are obligated to read your posts.
@@endemion06463The only way that would be true for Twitter is if we nationalize it. Of course, then all revenue could be used for moderation and platform development with no need for profit extraction… probs be a pretty good platform
Intel: "Our policy remains in place" Consumer: "Whats the policy?" Intel: Our policy is "Sorry an error occurred please try again later, please note do not respond to this email, if your ticket isn't updated in 3 hours it will be closed. Thank you for contacting Intel customer support have a wonderful day"
Now that I know he's an Intel shill, I can understand why he claims in his reviews that most of the better AIO's are capable of handling more than 300 watts.
Worked at Intel for 25 years......I witnessed it start sinking over time. Internally, it's such a toxic & dysfunctional working environment that it's no wonder they're crashing & burning. So glad I'm no longer there. Consquently, the free fruit & beverage program ran Intel more or less 20 million per year (when they go into cost cutting mode, they look at everything - including other items which end up being detrimental to internal functions/operations).
@@andersjjensen Yes I was a contractor there (upper management). There was a big push by Corporate Services to improve the relationship between contractors (green) and Intel (blue) employees because vendors were treated like 2nd class citizens. It never stuck. It was brutal.
@@Michael_RareZebra just fire people that misbehave, fuk their skills.. if you can not work in a team you can fk off as your workforce will go under anyway😮
One good thing coming out of this might just be a larger mass of users trying AMD CPUs for the first time and realizing they're not as bad as they thought.
Whats the best part about GN? Their moral and willingness to "intel" all their bridges doing videos like this. I just wish there was more that would stick their neck out and stand up to these insane comapnies, while still keeping it all clean AND at the same time almost making comedy out of this tragedy. GN is the place to go for good hard facts and a ton of good laughs. Thanks for all the work to all of you at GN
Tis why i stopped watching and suvscribing to LTT. I am someone i never take someones word for it (except for my Lord's) and upon researching for myself, i saw the points steve made about LTT, and i do not trust LMG period. I am done with that crappy company and their horrible employee treatment and garbage quarter baked "content"
First time here? Gamers Nexus is the angriest most vicious Rottweiler in the PC consumer protection game. And they're shrewd as hell. They'll approach the topic in good faith, but as soon as they smell something fishy they will give the other side every opportunity to hang themselves.
As an employee who cannot make ends meet month to month and got an 8 percent raise to comoensate for the last 2 years of austerity measures they put un place and to see that he got a 45 percent raise is infuriating bc they tell us that intel is a meritocracy. If we work hard and the harder we work they will compensate us 😅 the harder ive worked the more money i keep losing due to inflation and losses that executives had all the control of
Skynet failed to launch today when it unexpectedly had a blue screen of death. Engineers looking at the problem are not certain whether it was caused by Intel CPU chips or a Crowdstrike update.
Guess they have to make a lite version which can run on an ardurino powered by a potato battery, which is only capable of insulting mankind with passive aggressive remarks.
@@zacharyberridge7239 Inflation is not "natural"; it's designed. All money in existence is owed back with interest, making it a scheme devised and implemented by the rich and powerful. Corporate greed is a symptom of capitalism and a direct result of it. People often stop short of criticizing the economic system itself. In a capitalist market system, greed is expected. An economy is a system through which resources are managed, allocated, and utilized to meet the needs and desires of a population. It focuses on the efficient and sustainable use of available resources to produce goods and services, ensuring these resources are not wasted and can support future generations. This system involves production, distribution, and consumption, aiming to balance supply and demand while preserving the environment and promoting long-term viability. Fractional reserve banking and capitalism do not constitute an economy; they function as an anti-economy.
@@zacharyberridge7239 There can be no ethical CEOs. If a CEO put anything before profit. They would be immediately replaced by the board. This is a systemic issue.
There's some kind of delusional thinking that sets in with these large companies. And it's that if you incentivize the CEO enough they will magically pull the company from the brink.
When I was a contractor at the Intel fabs, there were no hot Lots, your wafers went step by step through the line and *nothing could cut in place of it.* Those were years when the yield manufacturing defect (YMD) stats were fantastic. They've been declining ever since and it's been a struggle for them.
@@mikefromwa "Do you what it right, or do you want it Friday?" Probably there's serious technical challenges when working with such tiny amounts of material, such high amperage, voltage and heat. The high energy, high clock rate, the positive and negative doped materials against each other, must have serious effect on material design, lifetime and degradation. Intel have struggled in recent years with fabrication. China wants Taiwan, which will also mean TSMC. And intel is trying to build a new fab in USA in case of serious issues with China, shipping, blockades, and worse in the Far East. Would be interesting to see genuine experts on the area tell us about the challenges, probable issues that intel are having, solutions etc.
Intel: We have lost $10 billion due to *unexpected minor processor degradation.* What can we do to limit these losses? Also Intel: Removing the free fruit for our employees should help!
Everyone knows getting scurvy makes you feel more like a pirate, then they can steal some ideas to screw over the consumers from other large corporations.
Something is fishy on the financial side. So they get $8 billion in direct federal aid, then suddenly announce the need to slash $10 billion in running costs, even though they weren’t in such dire straits not so long ago.
I wish we would actually know where the amount of Money is going or going through. Its such a tangled mess with Mountains of paper-work of so many different levels in the Company that its basically impossible to know what is going on with that Aid money. Probably somewhere it shouldnt be.
Corporations have a strong history of pocketing federal "aid". It's a game between Congress and shareholders. And then they turn around and tighten the screws on the taxpayers who funded the corporate/congressional socialism. Look into US ISPs. It's straight up dystopian.
It’s not that complicated, but certainly not in the open clearly for everyone to see and understand. The money is for new future processes, for new fabs, provided you hit certain milestones first yield and performance. Again FUTURE processes, Not existing ones. Currently, Intel is not doing well because competition is good vs Intel products and Intel is not fabless so still has fixed costs of operating its current factories. IDM strategy is supposed to change that. In the mean time there is less stuff to sell and therefore needs cost cutting now
@@rush4you I had to pause and rewind more than a few times! These guys know how to deliver data and not waste my time. I appreciate this type of content delivery.
Eh, I wish this wasn't becoming more common as it seems to be. It's exhausting to listen at times. I always prefer slower speed so I have time to think it all through while listening.
That is corporativism in it's more disgusting and powerful form. Incompetent, unskilled, dishonest people patting each others backs while stuffing their pockets with money through promotions and bonuses, while watching the company die and not giving a single fuck about the employers lifes.
The more money someone has, the more of an empathy deficit they have. There are very few exceptions to this rule. Elon Musk becoming the former richest person in the world went hand in hand with him embracing extreme right wing politics. I went to school with people like Elon Musk. I'd bet he bought his way into the British Public School System and couldn't actually meet the minimum IQ requirement which, at my school, was a relatively low 125.
@@dudebroguymateI think he tried to say add 85% to 15%, not cut 85% from the 85% of the staff left. I don't think his wording suggests the latter since he says "additional".
This is tech journalism! LTT, MKBHD, and others could learn a thing. Instead of virtue signalling, pretending to care about the consumer while lining pockets with money, GN actually pushes to find stories that help their audience. Hats off!
MKBHD didn't do anything. People just seem to hate him and blame him for things. LTT is actually terrible though. DO people hate MKBHD because he's black? The hate makes no sense. He says nothing bad about anyone, ever. That's his brand.
@@TheUAProdigy don't get too sit with CEO if you really review their products Truthfully...MKBHD is lying scammer...he lies about apple and Tesla...how did he lie about Cybertruck and apple VR go watch it...
@@TheUAProdigy His interview with Tim Cook is a complete puff piece. He never asks any hard and/or relevant question nor pushes back on obvious bullshit he's spewing. As a reviewer, either you represent the consumer's interests, or the companies'. Therefore "doing nothing" in this regard shows he's clearly not willing to represent customer's concerns.
10:24 This fab story reminds me a lot of a food safety scandal that happened in germany a coupple of years ago. The Wilke Waldecker Fleisch- und Wurstwaren factory, in short, the factory was run on a skeleton crew, production was ramped up, food safety ignored and ultimately spoiled food was sold to customers. Intel is kind of doing the same with their fab, run it on a skeleton crew, ramp up production, ignore standart procedure, wafers oxidise, oxidised chips get sold to customers. From how I understand this situation, the oxidised wafer problem happened because they cut jobs in the fab and now they are trying to fix that by cutting another 15'000 jobs? This is not going to end well...
Intel may lose confidence from customers, investors, and the media due to this controversy. On the bright side, they'll always have the confidence of userbenchmark.
that place makes some pitty little i3s look better than ryzen 7... yeah that site is as shady as intel and wouldn't be shocked at all if they were ran by them
The 15% being laid off are likely all engineers and techs who actually know what's going on and how to make tongs. Meanwhile upper management will get bonuses for saving money by firing employees. I doubt any management will get canned. Good year, management takes credit. Bad year, will it must be all the bottom employees dragging us down.
It's about time though, the gap in the market will create a huge opportunity for Chinese to ramp up their R&D and silicon/semiconductor industry as-if they haven't already been doing that! Apart from that Intel loses on it's own game on it's own turf.. esp with AMD Ryzen - What a shame!
Intel own goal. The people being laid off are the ones who can improve Intel's architecture to compete against AMD and ARM, instead of just chasing clock speed and throwing a ton of power at the problem.
They're doing the same thing as Boeing. Maximum damage control, the bare minimum amount of accountability, skeleton crews, knowingly shipping defective items, attempting to maximise "shareholder value" and so on. When will these big companies learn that doing those things DOESN'T WORK? When will they realise that screwing over customers, employees, board partners and shareholders alike isn't a good thing?
Employees suffer while executives thrive, this has to stop. Layoff and benefit cuts while executives get raises? The same thing is happening at many employers. We've let so many people go that we've "run out" of severance package funding (which is two weeks plus one for each year of service.) and they are now writing people up for random bull shit to be able to fire vs layoff. Meanwhile our executives gave themselves record raises and bonuses and are some of the highest paid in the industry.
This is due to MBA Private Equity mindset which is rampant everywhere. This impending market crash is going to have to reset the top levels. "How could we have known?!"
I think Execs are also at risk on being on the chopping block. Usually cases like these cause board level meetings (board members are usually external to the organization). Execs of the departments would need to present findings or lack of process which may have caused the issue. Usually in smaller orgs the excuses are "we didnt have enough funding so we couldnt do adequate testing before the due date due to headcount etc.." In this case though, Intel is a billion dollar company, bs excuses like that doesn't fly. The fact that Intel stated their labs crew were operating with a "skeleton staff" just screams execs attempt to protect themselves from being held accountable and essentiallly blaming the board to reduce overhead costs to increase profits.
Its funny, I saw an article the other day that said "hold on to your Intel stock." Which to me read "please don't sell intel stock, I'm a major shareholdrr paying the media to write this!
Retail stock holders don’t prop up companies. If you’re an Intel stock holder and don’t want to take a hit, don’t feel bad about holding it long term to recoup your losses.
What really gets me here is the part where the intel suit says "headcount reduction" and "wood to chop." No longer human. I don't like it here anymore.
I wish there was a journalistic team with as much dedication, integrity, and attention to detail committed to politics. The world needs more GNs for every corner of corruption and deceit.
Those exist but don't have the resources of corporate media, and in an economic system where entertainment and consumerism are valued above information for making change through citizen effort, those outlets and groups stand no chance.
I follow many such news organizations, they do exist. They don't have as much influence since the general populace is much less informed than tech enthusiasts.
There is- somewhere. it’s just very unlikely they agree with your politics, we all cheer for Steve cause he explains how we’re all getting Fd by these companies, the only people who benefit are the companies. If he was popping off about abortion or immigrants the content would be unwatchable for most of the population
I stopped watching Linux media because gamer nexus policy of not lying. And now after 30 years of intel my last decades of life im going to be an AMD user. Amazing how reporting the true in tech issues can change life behaviour in humans lol. Thank you Gamer Nexus for your integrity.
Went AMD for CPU this last round, for the X 3D performance. Caught flack from my I.T. employed, Intel faithful cousin over it. He was like "Good luck with that, bubba." I'm not going to rub this in his face.
The ole' mass layoff. Upper mangement fails, they cut thousands of jobs (many of which would be better leaders), paint it as a stock holder/money savings thing. CEO parachutes out to redo it all again sonewhere else. Corporate playbook 101. Abolish the C-suite. Most pay with the least skin in the game.
Problem is, both the C-suite group and the shareholders are all in on the con, and you are not invited. And then they will try to change the government into a planned economy so that they won't end up like the Vanderbilts.
And for those unsure about how this can happen when you do layoffs you divide the salary expense by the number of employees and get the average. The C-Suite get paid exactly the same as the cleaning staff, so it makes no difference to the number reported to the stock holders whether you fire 10 from C-Suite or the 10 from the cleaning staff. The astute will probably realise the cleaning staff are sub contracted in, it was just used as emphasis for the example.
One thing that drew me in to my current company. In the interview they let me know that 1st thing they do if they need to save money is the CEO doesn't take salary for that month. If more cost savings are needed everyone is put on a 4 day week. instead of putting the select few on leave or fired and the CEO making the same money as always. Benefits of the CEO being the owner.
That's really nice! Please remember that these 'benefits' can still be taken away until the day they are written into enforceable law. Still, good for you guys!
They've known about this since 2022. It still hasn't been properly fixed mid-2024. There is no solution. They would have fixed it already if they could. This is the nightmare scenario for a CPU manufacturer. Two whole gens affected, too. Historic. It's crazy to be living through this.
@@russell2952 It wasn't their stock price they were worried about. Their stock price is down over 50% since 2022. It was the fact that replacing every K series processor would mean having a massive overproduction issue. Let's say 1/10th of the dies come out 14900K binned. They would have to produce 10 extra CPUs for every 149K RMA, and wouldn't sell most of the other SKUs that were binned as they already had sufficient stock of all the lower end chips that would be binned out. The fab costs alone would sink them, they would have tons of extra lower end 14th gen they couldn't sell, and they would probably have to pull new 14900Ks off storefronts to save some of the extra manufacturing for RMAs they would be doing. And even then, they probably wouldn't service all RMAs before running deep into debt.
Dammit Steve! I turned on your video as "background noise" while I was assembling some PCs and then found out why the Intel build (i5-13400 w/ ARC A770) I did last October was crashing all the time. The error kept saying "video memory error", so I attributed it to the ARC GPU drivers just being behind and decided to let the system sit and come back to it later on after Intel had made some more progress on their GPU front. Now I find out that Intel set the warranty extension cut-off at the 13400K and did not include the 13400 (which is also a 65W TDP chip, the same as the bar they set for the other SKUs). To put it as you'd put it, "WTF man?!?!" ....thanks for being a great source of information, even if I happen to be on the sucky end of it this go around. ;D
Just a reminder, this is all coming from papa Pat Gelsinger, who said this at the beginning of 2022: "AMD in the rearview mirror in clients, and never again will they be in the windshield; we are just leading the market." I thought it was an astoundingly stupid and short sighted thing to say then, and I've enjoyed thinking about it at basically every Intel earnings call for the past couple of years. But the bigger point, which is now being driven home in truly epic fashion, is that Intel execs' own hubris is the root cause for pretty much all their woes. Maybe Pat was/is an engineer, but he's sure doing a good job convincing me he went to night school for an MBA or something after becoming CEO.
And he sure as hell did a good job making me a future AMD only buyer...I still believe AMD is in bed with NVIDIA on pricing, but god anything is better than intel right now...
@@goldenhate6649Not entirely disagreeing - though I'm not sure it's as much fixed pricing, as it is "opportunisme offered by Nvidia increasing their prices" - taking a risk/chance at it allowing AMD to increase their profits. In either case, it sucks - for us, the consumers.
8:40 - "We do not take this lightly, and we have carefuly considered the impact this will have on the intel family..." Oh, so Intel treats itself and their employees as family, too? You know, every single company I've ever worked with that pushed the narrative of everyone being a family ended up being the worst professional experiences I've ever had, from gaslighting to borderline blackmail. That might actually explain a lot of this crap. The whole company is probably rotting inside.
I think you are reading into it too much TBH, it does not sound like they are calling their workforce all a family. It's being used in the same vein of the word 'branding' here.
Steve. They are now saying 65w and over parts only because they know that the sub 65w parts have a low probability to fail during the warranty period. The problem is still there at silicon level but does not present or degrade as quickly as the higher end SKUs purely because it's not being run at those higher frequencies, voltages and thermals. They know they are going to have to eat a shit sandwich on this one so now they are just trying to make sure it's only two slices and not half a loaf.
I never had a CPU die since I got my first computer about 23 years ago. Anything that hasen't been recycled yet still works, it's just outdated. Not getting a computer with an Intel CPU for my next computer. Can't trust them, they sold faulty CPUs and blamed everyone else.
It might also be a lazy way to try to exclude the 13th gen CPUs that actually use Alder Lake dies without farther calling attention to the fact that their website misleadingly lists such processors as "Raptor Lake" and just "taking it on the chin" that the a couple 13th gen Alder Lake i5s may get in the mix which would also explain the phrasing that not all CPU models on their provided list may actually be susceptible. (for reference, an easy tell is to look at the rated JDEC DDR5 speeds for a given SKU on Intel's site: anything with an Alder Lake die lists DDR5-4800 such as seen on the i9-12900KS and i5-13600 non-K, while anything with a Raptor Lake die lists DDR5-5600 such as seen on the i5-13600K/F, i7-13700 non-K, and i9-14900KS)
Good god, if I was a low level employee and I happened to be in that call and they said they were cutting 15-20% of the workforce, I'd have lost my collective shit and went off on the exec'c. Absolutely insane they give one a 15% bump from 11.5Mil a year to some 15/16Mil. This is why I despise corp America. It's no different than the FinTech I work for except that we're not cutting people. While $5Mil wouldn't make much of a difference for that amount of cuts, perhaps cutting those CEO salaries to say, idk, $250k a year which is way more than what most need yearly to live comfortably in the US. That other $30-50Mil a year that those 3 big wigs make would easily help to float those cuts. It's astonishing the amount of greed we see these days in bloated salaries. No one needs $15 Mil/Yr.
Steve, I remember seeing "Out of video memory" errors on the Factorio bug report forum. Factorio does an extremely good job detecting memory errors, so folks often post complicated crash reports. Taken at face value, those reports were assumed to be too many mod graphics loaded, a corrupted video driver or a memory bit flip. But it could be worth investigating, since the number of "magic" crash reports has remained steady or increased recently by my estimation.
Another problem with the "keep RMAing it over and over" thing is the fact that Intel threatens to confiscate your CPU each time you do it, because they accuse some people of having tray processors or counterfeit processors for no reason.
If that's actually happening, that is insane behavior and unacceptable. Intel should KNOW whether a CPU is a tray or boxed model based on the serial number, which is required to get an RMA. Just goes to show you can't trust corporations as far as you can throw them, and even more reason to keep keep your CPU boxes.
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i just hired at intel in California. i start monday! ill be working in the gpu department. we shall see how it goes lol
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@@MrComputerhacka The Arc team needs good people and behaves like a totally different company. Glad they are hiring for GPU. Best of luck!
Steve is slowly but surely gaining Louis Rossman's powers of talking at 2x speed.
damn it, you beat me. I was gonna say
"you know it's really serious when steve starts speaking at louis rossmann speeds"
slowly this video sounds like a Louis Rossman video
He's using 7zip on his speech module to increase data transfer rate.
No joke, Louis Ross an can give the Micro Machines guy from the 80's a run for his money. Lol
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There is about to be 15,000 employees who would happily talk about these issues.
Hopefully they don’t have NDA’s.
@@thegeforce6625 what can intel do about it? fire them? oh, wait.
@@thegeforce6625 NDAs don't cover illegal activity. And 15k is a few too many disgruntled ex-employees for the Boeing strat.
@@baseddepartment9656you would be surprised how effective a risk to life and limb is.
Ahahah, 15000 poor souls lose there jobs. Meanwhile intel ceo still refusing to take Responsibility. The lawsuit is becoming more and more real everyday.
Guy who bought 700k worth of Intel stock yesterday: "This is the worst day of my life"
GN: "Worst day of your life so far"
Any updates if he paper handed? If he is serious about his time horizon, should be fine, just missed out on a dip
This guy is so famous now! He truly is a legendary investor!
Got what he was asking for. Who looks at Intel's news from the last few months and buys off of that?
Ive been waiting so bad for steve to drop another video on intel after that happened
Same with the guy in /r/hardware who has intel trying to claim his microcenter+amazon 14000 series were somehow counterfit
Still nothing compared to Roaring Kitty / GME
Before I say this, I want to be clear that I am not saying that intel is not at fault here. They are horribly at fault. Rather, I want to get across just how screwed the American processor market is going to be.
Intel used to have a profit of anywhere from $8 to $20 billion a year. Their revenue has been declining each year, but more importantly, they're not profit by a much larger margin. On $54 billion of revenue, they had $1.4 billion in profit. $1.4 billion in profit sounds amazing, but that is a profit margin of about two or three percent. That's horrible.
The reason this is horrible when you have such a low profit margin is that there is such a small margin of error. Making $1.4 billion on $2 or $3 billion in revenue is awesome. Making $1.4 billion or $1.6 billion on $54 billion in revenue is terrible because any very small deviation will set you off path to losing insane amounts of money.
I can't find exact numbers on how many of these processors Intel sold, or average price. So I'm just going to pull some figures Out of thin air to demonstrate the point.
Let's say the global PC market is about 200 million PCs a year. Let's assume that Intel has 50% market share and that these processors are $100 each. These are very conservative numbers. This would come out to somewhere around $1 billion in refunds. If they're making $1.6 billion in net profit last year before that $8 billion, year before that $20 billion, they are on their way to being negative $5 or negative $10 billion given the declining revenue and their horribly declining reputation. It's easy to imagine the refunds for this being in the range of one to five billion dollars if they were to actually take full accountability and responsibility. Having one year's worth of refunds or RMA's be worth multiples of your net profit as your revenue and net profit is declining by leaps and bounds each year means Intel not being a company a few years from now if they don't play their cards right.
I 100% believe that Intel should be held to task and held accountable and responsible for every single defective product they sold to a customer. That is the only right answer, and it is what must be done. At the same time, this is not just something that is bad for Intel. This is also going to be bad for us when one of the major American processor companies potentially goes out of business.
Surely there would be some venture capital firm or bank or a large investor that purchases the company for scraps like vultures, but during that time period the company is likely not going to be keeping up to date and being competitive or able to be competitive with their offerings, which means that other companies making processors (which for desktops and laptops are few and far between) Now have the luxury of playing the game on easy mode. I can see other companies beating Intel, ARM stuff in the laptop arena with Apple's processors and AMD and every other arena. But the reason that they have to stay on top is because they realize that if they get lazy, that Intel will eat their lunch. That pressure on other manufactures going away is not good for the consumer As it allows other companies to get lazier with what they are building.
Again, I am not saying this to say that Intel should not take responsibility. They should have to take the same amount of responsibility that I have in the past when I realized that I had defective parts that I put in customer devices. The only acceptable thing when I figured this out was to email and phone call each and every one of them and offer them a replacement along with a warranty that was extended several years past the one-year warranty that we offer. Nothing short of this would be acceptable, and my customers who have received these emails know what I'm talking about. If you only respond to the issue or admit there is an issue once your customers are already fully aware of it, it doesn't matter because that means your intention was to try and pretend it wasn't there to get around taking responsibility financially all along. The only right thing to do is to help your customers before they even realize there is an issue.
But even if Intel takes full accountability and responsibility for this, which they damn well better, this is not only going to hurt Intel. We're talking about tens of billions of dollars of societal resources that have been completely wasted on this, and that is going to affect everyone because of Intel's mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes when it comes to design, and as long as you are open to admitting Your mistakes, it is forgivable. Yet the ramifications of this mistake might end up not only hurting intel, but seriously harming consumers for several years to come. You can't have tens of billions of dollars get lit on fire and have that, not have ripple effects throughout the industry. Because those tens of billions of dollars represent wasted silicon, wasted engineering time, wasted fabrication.
Even if Intel does fully cover every single customer, no BS, no excuses, releases a full recall program, I am still sad for the fact that this happened as it is going to negatively affect the industry for years to come in the form of higher prices, less competition, and shittier processors across the board.
Great post, read it all thank you ✌️
Was going to skip it then saw it was from you and read the whole thing.
Cool post
While intel only reports a profit of 1.4 Billion, this is due to them shuffling money around and Stock buybacks to inflate stock price and everything else these garbage companies due to reduce their 'profit' on paper so they dont have to pay as much in Taxes.
Since taxes are based on reported income. Im surprised that Rossman didnt point this out at all as he would be aware more then most about how this works.
TSMC is setting up shop in Texas. Let's all say Bye Bye to Intel...
"A headcount reduction".... "we have a lot of wood to chop"... God, I hate corporate types.
Technocratic psychopaths.
And when those types say those things, they think they are being cool and contemporary. 🤦
Workers are always blamed for the failure of capitalism.
the second euphemism is downright offensive. reducing peoples' livelihoods to "wood" to just cut or chop is mind-blowingly arrogant and self-centered.
@@fyrestorme Fun fact, victims were referred to as "logs" in Unit 731. Not the greatest terminology to adopt one would think.
Hmm... Intel is cutting 15% of its workforce (around 17,000 jobs) -- just months after receiving $8.5 billion in federal grant money to help bring back chipmaking to the U.S.
Free market capitalism and the invisible hand 🤡 Adam Smith might release some updates if he was alive.
Well, i guess some executive i getting a new Patek and Jet with that money...
Their FABs are "delayed," or construction ceased completely. Cancelled plans as well as just sitting doing nothing. It seems to me they want out of FAB and are not going to honour their commitments. The whole thing is a mess.
I wonder if the feds are going to be interested in that workforce reduction...
@@CosmicValkyrie Getting money from the government is not free market capitalism.
Referring to their employees as wood to chop shows how psychopathic a lot of executives are
this. layoffs i can't imagine are easy, but to be so far removed like that to say something like "we have wood to chop" is unacceptable.
100% agree. That's fucking disgusting. I wish all the worst possible to those people
It’s basically quote of stalin commenting on gulags
Executives are seen as heartless for a few reasons. One, typically, they get positions that they aren't qualified for, only because they have connections. Nepotism, basically. And the main reason... is because they're on various drugs. Not things like, coke or heroin. But like, speed, etc.
Being an executive for any company implies having no morals or empathy for your subordinates.
CEO makes 16 million dollars in one year, but to reduce costs, let's fire 17.000 emplyees.
and for some peculiar reason, that is the business standard globally.
@@GoburinDesuka well, maybe if this CEO would receive 15 million less, it would help to save some thousands of jobs. Also, according to the video there are other CEOs that make even more money. I just think it woul be better to save tens of millions of dollars involving only three people instead of thousands. Also, these CEOs already are rich and these employees probably need much more their monthly salary.
@@GoburinDesuka its 16 mil for the CEO only. When you add up the board of directors, head of departments, expense on company jets, hotel expenses and more it adds up and fast.
Ofc this is also a common pattern of every big company ever. Things go south, people in production get fired, now its even more difficult to break even and eventually company goes bankrupt, while management walks off with hundreds of millions in bonuses and severence packages for the job well done.
If there is trouble and you have to fire people it is not hard to take a pay cut when you make 16 mil a year, no?
@@GoburinDesuka Taking a paycut is a way to signal responsibility. It will not save the company in terms of finance, but it sends a signal to everyone that tough times are ahead, but responsibility is shared.
Cutting jobs may be necessary, but when you raise your bonus AND at the same time lay off workers because the company is doing poorly speaks volumes about management engagement in the fate of the company. Also morale.
A tale as old as time
GN, we need to visit Intel HQ to talk about why fruit is being cut. This is outrageous
This reminded me when Conan O'Brien visited Intel HQ. Holy smokes was it depressing
This has been in the works since Macs released on the M1.
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The fruit was cooked by the heat😂
Apples might be the first ones to go
Not accepting RMAs before is breach of warranty, blaming motherboard manufacturers is defamation, continuing to sell CPUs they knew would degrade is basically fraud. There should be a lot of lawsuits over all this.
fraud is a criminal charge and intel should be held accountable for that.
It's like Intel looked at the headlines from the tech/gaming/pro graphics industries these past 2 years and said, "Hold my mimosa!"
This! ÷1
And they will settle in court and payout a few million dollars, while changing nothing and making billions more; just like Big Pharma
@@electricpaper269 class actions are always cheaper for them
Intel: _Got called scumbag by GN._
Asus: "First time?"
*MSI nervously sweating*
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>meanwhile Alienware/Dell, MSi, and NZXT be like:
"Oh, that's cute, you young'ns. Now hold our beer..."
@@Kawayolnyobeer of shame that is
@@KawayolnyoGigabyte too
Glad I literally flipped a coin and chose to buy a 7900x instead of a 13900k. I am never buying from Intel now
I been on Ryzen since r5 2600, and i have not gone back since. i am on 5600x, and i am about to go AM5 next year.
I won't say never myself, as Intel has their moments like the first few Core i* gens where they just flew on single-thread perf (and so far at least two Netburst moments to torch some of that interest), but I really went from seeing Intel and AMD desktop/mobile chips as roughly equivalent to seeing AMD as the only option I'm willing to throw a dime at if I need to in the next, oh iunno, probably decade.
You are not alone. When the Holidays roll around, they won't be able to give Intel PC's away, at any price.
@@StopChangingUsernamesUA-cam Yeah, never stay loyal to a brand forever. AMD has pulled shady stuff in the past as well. Always research the current products and don't just buy the brand because their product was good in the past or assume the brand is bad because they were bad in the past.
I’ve been building systems for quite a while, and remember when AMD was the one with dicey quality. I did a 13900K system for my son last year, and now it’s taking a crap. I was team Intel forever, but no more - I’m done.
As someone who works for a currently embattled, once great, America manufacturer who's CEO also received a 45% pay increase while cutting back rank and file benefits, this stuff is beyond infuriating.
General Motors?
whose*
@@DioTheGreatOne I'm thinking Boeing.
it's common for decades they swoop in for often 2-3 years, make cuts, outsource everything and strip the companies asset's, and unempower all the employee's for short term massive profits and pay packets then move on to the next business after getting 100m's in stocks and golden parachutes etc - laws need to change!
Unionize.
Please never stop Steve. You're the shining star in the hardware reporting world.👁
Steve would be a terrifying lawyer lol
I feel like GN investigative techniques, protocols and more should be taught to governmental bodies and ombudsman. Consistently consumer focussed and educational. Thank you, Steve and team.
I don't think we're that good. There are more qualified people in the world for that, but for a guy in a Tshirt and jeans yelling at the clouds for 16 years, I appreciate the kindness. I'm learning and studying all the time to try and improve on things I realize we could have done better from the last one. We are very much still learning this as we go and improving with time, and I hope to keep refining. Keeps the job fun. Thank you for the support!
@@GamersNexusYeah, but those aren't employed by the governments of the world Steve!
They'd much rather employ friends, family, famil of friends and donors....
@@GamersNexus There are always people more qualified at some point or another. Qualified doesn't always translate to action. You can be good at something and still do nothing about it.
It's that seemingly unwavering ideals Steve and the team pursue - Consumer focus, transparency, ethics - that seems to be noticeably growing in absence in governmental bodies and such over the last decade or so.
Keep on yelling at the clouds as it has brought us bountiful rains more often than not. Thank you for all the good work.
Yes, steve of all people is one that actually cares for exposing the truth? Where is the idiot ass government’s like they used to be .
Fascinating how slaves are still under the impression governments exist to protect humans. Turns out all the suffering is well earned.
I'm so glad people 1000x more informed on this topic, are finally digging at it. I thought my brand new, cutting edge PC that I built myself, had issues I couldn't resolve. I went through hell doing BIOS flashes, driver wipes and reinstalls, editing configs, reinstalling windows, even fully replaced both motherboard and RAM. Only thing that solved my problems was undervolting/underclocking my CPU, which i guess inadvertently solved some of my issues. As someone who spent over $4000USD on a brand new PC at the height of scalpers in the Covid market (I didn't pay scalper price, it just took 3 months of checking every day to get the parts when they were in stock), I'm fucking furious at the quality control of this.
I cannot WAIT for Intel to do absolutely fucking nothing about it, not issue recalls, not issue any credit, and just act like it never happened. AMD just won the CPU race because of this colossal blunder.
THIS IS CRAZY! im the guy that posted on asus forums about the microcode temperature change! i thought i was going crazy about what was going on with the cpu but seeing my post on a GN video was a fucking trip! great video! i hope to see more parts :)
I don't know what you're exactly talking about but it's clear Intels design of these sucked
@@mikeh6423 0x104 is an extremely early beta microcode that has bugged temperature readings. It was built 6 months before raptor launch. It also performs worse, so don’t use it.
Good job calling out issues a lot of smart people who notice stuff rarely call things out because they believe the issue may be on their side.
Ha! That is awesome. We were able to verify some of your suspicions, if that's any validation! That'll be in another video.
@@waitandhope The Microcode monkeys failed, not enough bananas.. no more free fruit now.
It's crazy how well this lines up with The Narcissist's Prayer
"That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it."
I think the only part missing is the final one.
Bingo
Only narcissists and sociopaths make it far up the corporate ladder so are you really surprised?
Intel emulating the IDF
@@honeybadger6275🤥💰
@@honeybadger6275 ...let's not conflate bad policy with bad people. everyone is equally capable of being horrid.
This is what journalism is supposed to be. Holding the powerful to account. A dying profession.
@@Fin1nishingMoveI'm impressed Intel can still pay you. Guess they value social media manipulation over fruit for their employees.
@@seeibe They actually don't, because they're stuck in the past. It's AMD who is doing the influencer marketing. You're living proof of their brainwashing.
@@Fin1nishingMoveI was an actual college student of journalism and I can confirm that you are bull$hitting.
We need a politics spin off of this channel. Demopublican Nexus.
If only we still had this to hold our Gov's to account.
It was great being at a work celebration for a new product meeting a milestone on its way to being shipped, then immediately after it was over getting an email about the job losses and cuts. Then listening in on the All Company Meeting and being told our benefits are being cut/reduced. Made that party in which they rented a cotton candy machine, and bought tons of food seem extravagant. There's another celebration coming up, maybe I need to start looking for a new job...
P.S Thanks for including the part about the cuts GN, Intel is failing its customers and its employees.
Lets be honest, class actions are always cheaper, intel keeps your money, pays some lawyers, and you get a check in 8 years for $12
One time I got a payment in the mail for $5 for my credit bureau getting hacked and losing my ssn and info to hackers..... I'd be suprised if customers get more than $20 back in a decade loool
Family member just got a check for over $500 from a class action suit of 130k "litigants". Not as many victims as most class actions, but she was happy with the extra money!
@@2hotscot people like your family member are the dream client for class action lawyers. Lawyers don't want to disclose the actual share of money that goes towards the claimants, cuz then the claimants might not accept until they get a bigger slice of the pie
@@tren-y2m Actual amounts were stated in the letter that came with the check actually.
What do I get if I never bought an Intel product in my life tho?
23:42 this is the most impressive, comprehensive, lucid and elaborate destruction of a document I've ever seen. That was fucking glorious.
IT WAS AND IS
It was like he was charging his special for the first 23 minutes and finally activated the special move.
dude this was so good thank you for stamping it holy hell lmao
Beautiful
@@dualie-dude-42 It was like Goku and a spirit bomb. Also watching that segment at 2x speed is *chef's kiss*
Intel “Dead Inside”
"Rust Inside"
Lentils Inside™
"Failure inside"
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
🤣🤣🤣
Bought a raptop lake in a laptop last year. It's now a paper weight. No recall and they aren't doing one. Retailer zero help, manufacture of the machine doesn't care. I've been on intel chips for 25 years. Even stuck with them after seeing and hearing a lot of it turn in the last few years. They lost a customer for life. I'll never buy one again.
I'm right there with you. Just sitting and praying my 13700k doesnt bite the dust at the moment. Excited to build with AMD in the future!
Guys install the intel tweaking utility look it up and check out some guides... you can undervolt plus power limit and raise the fan speeds so the processor doesn't get too hot. If you can I'd also open it up do a thorough cleaning and put new thermal paste on it. I got a 13980hx and I've been undervolting it since day one. Heck you can also disable some e-cores as well that should help keep it at a cooler temperature and use the power you are giving it more efficiently... got mine 8/8 disabled half the e-cores. So far so good and performance basically feels just as fast outside of doing anything that could use those extra 8 e-cores... but it's not a big deal or difference even outside of that scenario.
It is what it is... this sucks but if you properly tweak your system you can basically render it a non issue.
@@PeremptorValuable tips and advice! But sadly consumers shouldn't be having to do this just so their computer works as they expect, having to sacrifice performance (which was a main selling point) just to keep the chip from frying itself is still disgraceful
@@Peremptor but p and u series chips cant use xtu😥😥
@@Peremptor Thanks for the tip but mine is too far gone. It basically has to run at a tenth of the power to not bsod everywhere. If it wasn't a laptop I would just buy a new one and wait for the updates but it's past the point of no return. I've already built AMD for new desktop since I was due there. My old skylake was also overheating. It's time to wash my hands of intel. Lesson learned.
10 days into an RMA request. Only reaponse I've gotten is "here's our specs, make sure you're running them. We'll talk again in a month." Terrible customer service. The thought of going through this a 2nd tine is sickening.
Spam that $h!t.
im also on my second RMA mine was quite fast in process but they wanted a lot of troubleshooting from my side to prove its not my outdated bios, ram, microcodes, drivers etc
@@NonsensGamingIt goes without saying but just a reminder to everyone that you never enabled XMP. While they'd be insane to hold that against people now, it could delay the RMA and any corporation in the middle the wall street high dive isn't your friend.
Same, been trying to get an RMA for 2 weeks. had to repeat to them 3 times I already did everything they suggested sughested. Nothing nut crickets for the last week
Hopefully you can help get a lawsuit going because that's some top tier bullshit.
I'm surprised that in their internal communications to employees didn't include a move to half ply toilet paper because they don't give a sh!t.
Hahaha
Im crying
They actually do give a shit cause it ends up in your hands
They might just change the toilet paper quality or reduce the quantity
BYOTP, coin operated stalls, and you'd better clock out before you go in.
So intel is pretty much "burning" their chips in order to keep up with amd?
Remember all their disclaimers about overclocking listing to shorter CPU life?
Yeah... About that.
Turns out they ran them at their overclocked, overvolted max from factory.
Oops!
Actually, kind of yes -- it does appear that way right now. They are blasting power to show advancement generationally.
I mean it worked for Nvidia
...although nvidia has a much larger surface area lol
@@GamersNexusLmao “Advancement Generationally”
I always felt like that was more or less what they were doing. They haven't been able to keep up with AMD on the GPU side so far, AMD's newer Ryzens also just perform better for the most part, so just to remain relevant, Intel makes themselves the fastest by virtue of being the most power hungry.
The bias on Reddit by admins is almost universal in regards to supporting and covering for companies on communities that cover products by them. This applies to toy companies, game companies, and film companies like Disney. People tend to forget things like the Id fiasco with Mick Gordon and how he was initially buried on Reddit before the truth finally came out in a overwhelming manner. Things like that actually happen often on Reddit.
Reddit is a liberal cesspool.
That's why you never go onto official brand subreddits and just keep it to general, mostly independent ones.
Screw corpo drones.
Reddit is a CIA run propaganda outfit.
It's why I don't really trust Reddit for good faith discourse. These Reddit admins think way too highly of themselves to warrant trying to make decent discourse. Like, good job, you made it to being an admin on a niche forum. Still won't make you likable if you suck as a person.
@@ConfusionDistortion Reddit is a liberal cesspool that should never be trusted...period.
Man, the Disappointment shirt is going to be FIRE for this year
Its gonna be a Disappointment Blanket
Shirt? It's the kings mantle. Going to be carried by 3 rows of bearers
I want my Disappointment Comforter. After building a 13600k system, will need one. System is now running in non threaded mode, etc, justy to hobble along until I finish my new AMD machine. AMD messed up, and fixed things for customers. Intel? Yeah. Scumbag isn't the word for it.
I think there's going to be an purely Intel-Edition Disappointment Shirt.
Not even joking one bit.
The amount of hubris and resulting in their product quality/service train crash is definitely a lot to digest.
This year the shirt requires a matching pant to continue the list…. No! Now the shorts, the one after -> the pant. First with one long leg along with the announcement that the year after there will be one with two. And when this is done, we take care of the malfunctioning zippers and come up with a crazy idea, called buttons.
For the record, Steve from Gamers Nexus is not suicidal.
**cough cough** Boeing
it's so sad that he tied his arms and legs together and then jumped backwards into a wafer press
Accidentally fell out of his 2nd story window TBA
He's also not important in any way, fortunately for him.
Why the f would you make a statement like this?
Any Aussies reading the comments.... if this effects you PLEASE contact the ACCC. The way the Australia consumer protection watchdog is setup its very difficult for it to launch an investigation until a victim complains. And the ACCC REALLY needs to step in here.
Australia is shit...
Just got myself a 12900ks for $499 aud, I am guessing since people will be staying away from 13900s and 14900s now is the best time to sell the older i9 😂
Affects
Aussie here....is there a specific email address to use or reference of existing submission we can quote. Just worried that unless there is avalanche of submissions they may treat individual complaints as blip as they don't make the connection.
I believe that 13/14th gen processors should be pulled from the shelves of sellers so users can't buy a defective product and get rejected by RMA. This has got to be illegal. Faulty products should not be for sale without user accessible refunds!
This is why EVGA and noctua will be remembered as companies worth supporting because they stand by the customers in the face of thier own failers
sadly no more EVGA
shoutout to Arctic as well
@@Valueshooter No more EVGA graphics cards. Not the same thing.
Steve: What is it Intel? Is it ignorance or apathy?
Intel: We don't know and we don't care!
Josh Lyman, West wing
The best advertising AMD didn't ask for.
I haven't seen an AMD ad for decades. I think the product sells itself.
@@HanSolo__ intel did promote AMD epyc and Ryzen for years lol
STAY ON INTEL!
They are still better in EVERY WAY.. They are CHEAPER, have more performance and are energy efficient unlike amd who are so behind
Qualcomm too
@@FO0TMinecraftPVPAre you the guy running userbenchmark?
The similarities to Boeing are hilarious, American corporate needs to go back to the library
this is why i don't buy any usa products if its from corporation. because ever since 2020 corps has became scam artist in a business suit for "stockholders"
Unfortunately they got detained drooling over chapters about The East India Trading Company.
@@WaterShowsProd imagine referring to employees as wood to be cut, icky!
Echoes of GE and Jack Welch. The only words that seem to describe the situation are "corporate looting". Shareholders squeeze everything out of a legacy brand til it shrivels up and then move on to the next one.
@@XIIchiron78 interesting reading, I didn’t know that story but yes, quick value adds with wide spread firing and cost cutting, avoiding problems, this video is like the court case where the murderer is shown every sneaky thing he did in an attempt to cover up what he’s done. Appalling
Job interview in Tech :
“What will be my job ?”
“That’s irrelevant. We just hire you now so we can fire you later.”
Last time I was this early, Intel was a reputable brand
oooooof
Sir? Weapons grade snark is a controlled substance. Do you have a permit for that?
Bruh... 😆
Big off, almost burned up like their CPUs
256 upvotes, can't upvote.
At least Intel's legal team will be safe from the lay offs
underrated comment here lmfao
More like they will hiring more in the legal team
that's where the fruit money went
Of course! Intel's going to need every one of them.
Okay, showing the blue bars on the sides indicating how long the graphs will be on screen is brilliant and makes this the best channel on UA-cam.
Thanks for noticing! Andrew added those probably around 6-8 years ago now and it remains one of his best ideas for the video templating. I'll let him know you like them!
@@GamersNexus The funny thing about that? I fast-forward/skip things in your videos much less than others because I know what I'm getting as I watch it. ;)
I liked that too
@@GamersNexusI thought it was well established that the bars on the side are brilliant, well let him know it was a great idea :)
@@GamersNexusVery good decision. I'm so used to always pause and read. Then I have an unknown amount of time to listen to the speaker repeat some of the text I have already read.
With the flowing bar, I can deduce if I need to pause or not. And the flowing speed will also tell me if you will read all the visible text so I can liaten, or if I need to hurry and read everything before the text is removed.
That feature alone is worth an extra chrismas present for the one suggesting it. It makes the videos 5x better. Which counts a lot when the videos was great even before...
Your company (GN) deserves some kind of major consumer advocacy award...if such a thing there be.
Lewis Rossman has new competition in the world of talking for 3 hours, in only 47 minutes. Love it.
Only 5 redbull's and 25 mcg's of Methyl cobalamin /day would enable Steve to compete
I actually checked my playback speed to see if it had slipped.
Louis.
You are comparing scripted and edited material to freestyle improvisation sessions.
*I don't know what a Lewis Rossman is.*
*Is it the disabled kid that is stuck in the armchair, with the huge, black circles around its eyes?*
Intel's strategy worked phenomenally. They posted an article blaming motherboard manufacturers for high voltage causing CPU degradation, then waited for tech journalists to run the headline before admitting that the real issue is a silicon-level defect. The microcode and BIOS updates certainly look like band-aid fixes, meant to delay the flaw from presenting until the warranty expires.
Tbh I think you have a good point calling it band-aid fixes.
When Raptor Lake run MT code 30+% faster than Alder Lake there was no one to state there is something wrong with Raptors.
Not defending Intel, but it is possible that they investigated the issue finding genuine motherboard issues. And while clearly that was not the root cause Intel may not have known that at the time.
@@FracturedNinjaTeam Blue's staunchless defender!
"Tech journalist" these days are the most gullible people this planet has to offer.
If I survive the Intel layoffs these next few months, I will buy a Gamers Nexus mouse pad
You work there? Sincerely, best of luck. Terrible to hear how many people it will affect.
I absolutely root for you keeping your job, but if the corpo shills decide otherwise, please think that it's probably a better outcome for you in the long run.
Good luck mate, sorry for the feelings of instability brought on to you. Get out ahead of it and quietly get your resume out on the job market now. Searching is not committing, it’s just smart and practical. That’s what I’m doing.
maybe just start looking around, just in case?
As someone who couldn't emotionally handle the first round of CPM and layoffs last year at Intel, it took me about 6 months to get an offer elsewhere. Best to update your resume and start looking now if you're not already since it might take some time, just in case. Also, likely anywhere else you go now will be a lot better, whether it's Qualcomm, AMD, Apple, NVIDIA, Samsung, etc. Wishing you all the best.
The CEO needs to be replaced ASAP. Cutting 15,000k jobs while retaining the CEO is just insane. Building an AMD system this last time around has been a great decision. Officially an AMD Fanboy now. lol
Right there with ya! AMD is superior to Intel
Let's go Team Red!
I begin to sway towards AMD as well, only one question remains, should I drop Nvidea for AMD as well or not.
Intel tried to blame motherboard manufacturers for doing something that has been a standard practice in the industry for around 2 decades. And other tech influences backed them up. But we knew it was BS. Thanks Steve.
"Other tech influences"... Linus Sebastian, case in point.
You knew nothing, like every other clown in the comments.
Even GN suggest early on it was also motherboars fault, I guess that doesn't fit the bias of some tho.@@hugeassets8678
@hung8969intel fucked up by not giving clear guidance on what manufacturers can do with CPUs out of the box in their mobos, that's on them, but mobo manufacturers are also to blame for pushing the CPUs too far, it's not complicated, only somebody biased would suggest mobo manufacturers aren't also partly at fault, sure not as much as Intel, far from it, but still partly at fault.
@@hugeassets8678Wendell from Level1Tech fucking said his take is reasonable but noooooooooo, gotta be biased ig. Also he said nothing wrong, he made it clear both parties are at fault which is objective fact, but GN audience is sadly pathetic, which is weird because Steve is polar opposite.
That sabbatical change is actually huge, it's always been 8 weeks every 7 years (with an option for 4 weeks at 4 years instead, introduced about ten years ago), so this is halving the benefit, functionally removing about 3 working days a year of paid vacation. The use it or lose it change is just a reduction from 3 years to 2 which isn't as big a deal (but could make it more difficult for some large teams to schedule their time off around each other as easily).
Thanks for sharing. I was informed that it was 'shortened,' but didn't get any hard numbers. Is there a public source for that?
If you search Intel Sabbatical Program their public facing US benefits website still has the current plan up at least as of this moment (can't post links on YT). To quote the relevant section: "A hallmark of Intel is our extraordinary sabbatical program established over 30 years ago. Sabbaticals give employees the option to celebrate their fourth anniversary at Intel with four weeks off with full pay, or their seventh with eight weeks-all in addition to regular vacation time."
I retired several years back but still have friends working there; I'm interested in hearing from them how they feel about this, and wonder when it will be implemented and how (if it's effective immediately, imagine being 6.5 years into your 7 year wait and looking forward to 8 weeks off soon that just became 4).
@@Xiuhtec Extremely helpful. Thank you for sharing that! Hope your friends are doing OK with all the recent changes there.
@@Xiuhtecas you used to work at Intel I'm sure you know they'll probably put some stipulations up where if you're in your 6th or 7th year you get the old plan or something. My Dad used to work there as a blue badge in Hillsboro Oregon. He got laid off during the last huge layoff I don't know 12 years ago? They paid him his entire sabbatical even though he wasn't there yet along with quite a few other things so I don't think they'll just screw their current employees like that. They are usually pretty fair
So let me get this correct.
CEO and the boardmembers made terrible decisions.
Consequence result in regular joes losing their job while
CEO and board members get a payout.
I...don't understand how any of this is legal.
It's unfortunately normal, and even expected.
It's not merely "legal," it's exactly how The System is supposed to work.
i would tell you the reason but people will shy away from it because of its political connotation
welcome to modern day capitalism
same way they let kids graduate who cant read or write, and get trophys for last place
whenever I see videos like these, that you put out, I think to myself "maybe I can find a use for a mat". you definitely deserve our support, with the whole timeline, screenshots, sources from all over the place... I can say that you are among the few I can say are journalists. you set and rise the bar for everyone that reports on anything. thank you
Here we go..
Again
Ah shit, here we go again
Jeez
It's going to be interesting
after innocent volunteer mods. S!ck
Intel: Thanks, Steve!
You're a wonderful person
You're a wonderful person
You're a wonderful person
Lol. You're an absolute [censored]...
how much does youshit steal from donations?
getting blocked by intel on twitter is like a badge of honour or something
Any comment intended to be read by the public should be treated as a (free speech / expression) protected activity.
@@endemion06463 Free speech means your government can't keep you from speaking. It doesn't mean people who own Twitter accounts are obligated to read your posts.
Brings back memories of "you have been blocked by Steve Shives".
@@endemion06463The only way that would be true for Twitter is if we nationalize it.
Of course, then all revenue could be used for moderation and platform development with no need for profit extraction… probs be a pretty good platform
I just posted a "Oxidation Inside" logo on their Twitter. Curious if I get blocked lol.
36:49 that marketing executive is unironically using Lex Luthor as his profile picture lol
Intel: "Our policy remains in place"
Consumer: "Whats the policy?"
Intel: Our policy is "Sorry an error occurred please try again later, please note do not respond to this email, if your ticket isn't updated in 3 hours it will be closed. Thank you for contacting Intel customer support have a wonderful day"
As I'm making this reply, your likes is at 404 lol
@@Moonlight_Tide now it is 413 (im a teacup)
2:20 Intel subreddit moderator being a reviewer on Tom's hardware sounds shady af
Corrupted politicians level of shady
Was thinking the same thing :) will probably avoid checking reviews from them in the future.
Ownself check ownself
Wait till you find out Loserbenchmark is literally part owned by an intel subsidiary lol.
@@N4CRwould you care to elaborate?
Now that I know he's an Intel shill, I can understand why he claims in his reviews that most of the better AIO's are capable of handling more than 300 watts.
Worked at Intel for 25 years......I witnessed it start sinking over time. Internally, it's such a toxic & dysfunctional working environment that it's no wonder they're crashing & burning. So glad I'm no longer there. Consquently, the free fruit & beverage program ran Intel more or less 20 million per year (when they go into cost cutting mode, they look at everything - including other items which end up being detrimental to internal functions/operations).
Yeah... I heard the whole "green card vs blue card" shit show from Adored TV.
@@andersjjensen Yes I was a contractor there (upper management). There was a big push by Corporate Services to improve the relationship between contractors (green) and Intel (blue) employees because vendors were treated like 2nd class citizens. It never stuck. It was brutal.
@@Michael_RareZebra just fire people that misbehave, fuk their skills.. if you can not work in a team you can fk off as your workforce will go under anyway😮
It is all MBA and the disappearance of the corporate ladder
Intel and Boeing, how the mighty have fallen
One good thing coming out of this might just be a larger mass of users trying AMD CPUs for the first time and realizing they're not as bad as they thought.
Whats the best part about GN?
Their moral and willingness to "intel" all their bridges doing videos like this.
I just wish there was more that would stick their neck out and stand up to these insane comapnies, while still keeping it all clean AND at the same time almost making comedy out of this tragedy.
GN is the place to go for good hard facts and a ton of good laughs.
Thanks for all the work to all of you at GN
Incredibly well said, GN are nailing it in 2024. Steve is one of the best investagative journalists in tech right now.
Thanks, Steve!
we need effective education of morality to all citizens
Tis why i stopped watching and suvscribing to LTT. I am someone i never take someones word for it (except for my Lord's) and upon researching for myself, i saw the points steve made about LTT, and i do not trust LMG period. I am done with that crappy company and their horrible employee treatment and garbage quarter baked "content"
Bro Steve hates Intel now, he gets free stuff from AMD. U know how much free bs AMD probably gave him after this video? Ur naive af.
During the first minute of a 47:06 one, Steve already mentions a next Intel video. These guys are ruthless.
As ruthless as Intel is shamelesss
A better way to phrase that is “during minute 1 of 47”
This is the equivalent of reloading a sniper rifle while your previous shot is still on its way.
Gotta milk more views with this whole drama while it lasts
First time here? Gamers Nexus is the angriest most vicious Rottweiler in the PC consumer protection game. And they're shrewd as hell. They'll approach the topic in good faith, but as soon as they smell something fishy they will give the other side every opportunity to hang themselves.
As an employee who cannot make ends meet month to month and got an 8 percent raise to comoensate for the last 2 years of austerity measures they put un place and to see that he got a 45 percent raise is infuriating bc they tell us that intel is a meritocracy. If we work hard and the harder we work they will compensate us 😅 the harder ive worked the more money i keep losing due to inflation and losses that executives had all the control of
Skynet failed to launch today when it unexpectedly had a blue screen of death. Engineers looking at the problem are not certain whether it was caused by Intel CPU chips or a Crowdstrike update.
both :)
@@uranblut Bad news that would really work out.
Guess they have to make a lite version which can run on an ardurino powered by a potato battery, which is only capable of insulting mankind with passive aggressive remarks.
Intelstrike
Or a Windows update. They can sometimes cause bluescreens too, as the win10 anniversary update taught me.
They fire 15.000 workers but the poor CEO gets a 45% salary increase..why not do the opposite?!!
This happens ALL the time. I swear, inflation isn't just some natural market trend, it's a direct result of corporate greed.
@@zacharyberridge7239 you're right
@@zacharyberridge7239 Inflation is not "natural"; it's designed. All money in existence is owed back with interest, making it a scheme devised and implemented by the rich and powerful. Corporate greed is a symptom of capitalism and a direct result of it. People often stop short of criticizing the economic system itself. In a capitalist market system, greed is expected.
An economy is a system through which resources are managed, allocated, and utilized to meet the needs and desires of a population. It focuses on the efficient and sustainable use of available resources to produce goods and services, ensuring these resources are not wasted and can support future generations. This system involves production, distribution, and consumption, aiming to balance supply and demand while preserving the environment and promoting long-term viability.
Fractional reserve banking and capitalism do not constitute an economy; they function as an anti-economy.
@@zacharyberridge7239 There can be no ethical CEOs. If a CEO put anything before profit. They would be immediately replaced by the board. This is a systemic issue.
There's some kind of delusional thinking that sets in with these large companies. And it's that if you incentivize the CEO enough they will magically pull the company from the brink.
When I was a contractor at the Intel fabs, there were no hot Lots, your wafers went step by step through the line and *nothing could cut in place of it.* Those were years when the yield manufacturing defect (YMD) stats were fantastic. They've been declining ever since and it's been a struggle for them.
typically R&D uses hot lots. It's not a bad thing. It just sounds like it was poorly managed.
@@mikefromwa "Do you what it right, or do you want it Friday?"
Probably there's serious technical challenges when working with such tiny amounts of material, such high amperage, voltage and heat.
The high energy, high clock rate, the positive and negative doped materials against each other, must have serious effect on material design, lifetime and degradation.
Intel have struggled in recent years with fabrication.
China wants Taiwan, which will also mean TSMC. And intel is trying to build a new fab in USA in case of serious issues with China, shipping, blockades, and worse in the Far East.
Would be interesting to see genuine experts on the area tell us about the challenges, probable issues that intel are having, solutions etc.
How many execs were fired for this blunder?
@@vane909090 2 were hired.
@@vane909090Knowing how things work in corporate America, they all received bonuses.
The level of integrity here on Steve's and GN's part keeping track of all this is massive. The public is lucky to have you.
Intel: We have lost $10 billion due to *unexpected minor processor degradation.* What can we do to limit these losses?
Also Intel: Removing the free fruit for our employees should help!
Then promptly furloughs them
Everyone knows getting scurvy makes you feel more like a pirate, then they can steal some ideas to screw over the consumers from other large corporations.
And then giving their CEO a couple million dollar raise.
You think the layoffs are due to the small amount of degrading desktop CPUs? lol
@@Fin1nishingMove It's Intel's words, not mine C:
Something is fishy on the financial side. So they get $8 billion in direct federal aid, then suddenly announce the need to slash $10 billion in running costs, even though they weren’t in such dire straits not so long ago.
I wish we would actually know where the amount of Money is going or going through. Its such a tangled mess with Mountains of paper-work of so many different levels in the Company that its basically impossible to know what is going on with that Aid money. Probably somewhere it shouldnt be.
Corporations have a strong history of pocketing federal "aid". It's a game between Congress and shareholders.
And then they turn around and tighten the screws on the taxpayers who funded the corporate/congressional socialism.
Look into US ISPs. It's straight up dystopian.
It’s not that complicated, but certainly not in the open clearly for everyone to see and understand. The money is for new future processes, for new fabs, provided you hit certain milestones first yield and performance. Again FUTURE processes, Not existing ones.
Currently, Intel is not doing well because competition is good vs Intel products and Intel is not fabless so still has fixed costs of operating its current factories. IDM strategy is supposed to change that. In the mean time there is less stuff to sell and therefore needs cost cutting now
Well they did purchase a HighNaEUV from ASML in January so I'm sure some of the money went for that..... the rest? Who knows....
This doesn't seem to be the biggest problem with Intel IMHO.
You know why I like this channel? It's the only channel that talks fast enough that I have to set the speed back down to normal.
I actually lowered it to 0.75 on a few segments, nice
@@rush4you I had to pause and rewind more than a few times! These guys know how to deliver data and not waste my time. I appreciate this type of content delivery.
Try listening to Louis Rossman, need to slow down to 0.7x at that point
Eh, I wish this wasn't becoming more common as it seems to be. It's exhausting to listen at times. I always prefer slower speed so I have time to think it all through while listening.
@@123Suffering456 yeah, but some people will complain about the duration of the video
That is corporativism in it's more disgusting and powerful form. Incompetent, unskilled, dishonest people patting each others backs while stuffing their pockets with money through promotions and bonuses, while watching the company die and not giving a single fuck about the employers lifes.
Corporatocracy*
Shareholder capitalism*
The more money someone has, the more of an empathy deficit they have. There are very few exceptions to this rule. Elon Musk becoming the former richest person in the world went hand in hand with him embracing extreme right wing politics.
I went to school with people like Elon Musk. I'd bet he bought his way into the British Public School System and couldn't actually meet the minimum IQ requirement which, at my school, was a relatively low 125.
literally just capitalism.
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Intel before GamersNexus video: "We're cutting staff by 15%"
Intel after GamersNexus video: "We're cutting staff by an additional 85%"
That's not how percentages work, but I do appreciate the joke regardless.
@@dudebroguymate then they'll still have 15812 employees, as opposed to 125000 they have now
still lots of heads to feed
They're leaving management untouched. Blue collar workers simply need to work harder. @@dudebroguymate
Total amount of actual Intel layoffs due to anything Steve Burke said or did in his life: 0.
@@dudebroguymateI think he tried to say add 85% to 15%, not cut 85% from the 85% of the staff left. I don't think his wording suggests the latter since he says "additional".
This is tech journalism! LTT, MKBHD, and others could learn a thing. Instead of virtue signalling, pretending to care about the consumer while lining pockets with money, GN actually pushes to find stories that help their audience. Hats off!
This is definitely what journalism used to look like. Glad someone's actually doing it now.
MKBHD didn't do anything. People just seem to hate him and blame him for things. LTT is actually terrible though. DO people hate MKBHD because he's black? The hate makes no sense. He says nothing bad about anyone, ever. That's his brand.
Indeed. It's amazing what kinds of bridges GN will gladly burn for the sake of integrity and actual journalism - a word very tainted these days.
@@TheUAProdigy don't get too sit with CEO if you really review their products Truthfully...MKBHD is lying scammer...he lies about apple and Tesla...how did he lie about Cybertruck and apple VR go watch it...
@@TheUAProdigy His interview with Tim Cook is a complete puff piece. He never asks any hard and/or relevant question nor pushes back on obvious bullshit he's spewing. As a reviewer, either you represent the consumer's interests, or the companies'. Therefore "doing nothing" in this regard shows he's clearly not willing to represent customer's concerns.
intel is literally telling us (intel users) to go to AMD at this point
5 CPU families on 14nm and 3 CPU families on 10nm, with ever increasing power consumption every generation... they've been telling you for a while....
you could have stockholm syndrome and stay with intel
If you haven't switched in all this time something is broken with your decision making process
@@Cryosxify ikr? Zen 2 launched about 5 years ago and that was the perfect time to switch. There's no excuse to still be buying intel at this point.
@@dudebroguymateeh some people are masochists - being humiliated and abused is something that gets their rocks off 😂
Dont judge Intel users
10:24 This fab story reminds me a lot of a food safety scandal that happened in germany a coupple of years ago. The Wilke Waldecker Fleisch- und Wurstwaren factory, in short, the factory was run on a skeleton crew, production was ramped up, food safety ignored and ultimately spoiled food was sold to customers. Intel is kind of doing the same with their fab, run it on a skeleton crew, ramp up production, ignore standart procedure, wafers oxidise, oxidised chips get sold to customers. From how I understand this situation, the oxidised wafer problem happened because they cut jobs in the fab and now they are trying to fix that by cutting another 15'000 jobs? This is not going to end well...
Intel may lose confidence from customers, investors, and the media due to this controversy. On the bright side, they'll always have the confidence of userbenchmark.
Some love is eternal
that place makes some pitty little i3s look better than ryzen 7... yeah that site is as shady as intel and wouldn't be shocked at all if they were ran by them
The 15% being laid off are likely all engineers and techs who actually know what's going on and how to make tongs. Meanwhile upper management will get bonuses for saving money by firing employees. I doubt any management will get canned. Good year, management takes credit. Bad year, will it must be all the bottom employees dragging us down.
It's about time though, the gap in the market will create a huge opportunity for Chinese to ramp up their R&D and silicon/semiconductor industry as-if they haven't already been doing that! Apart from that Intel loses on it's own game on it's own turf.. esp with AMD Ryzen - What a shame!
Someone hasn’t been paying attention that the chinese silicon manufacturers have basically all gone bankrupt and failed…
Intel own goal. The people being laid off are the ones who can improve Intel's architecture to compete against AMD and ARM, instead of just chasing clock speed and throwing a ton of power at the problem.
@@fallinginthed33p Replaced by H-1B tech workers! If that isn't su-cide then idk what is!
@@goldenhate6649 Interesting, you know it's coming though - intel is never going to get back on it's feet again! The future is in the global south!
Steve knows what the viewers want: a good graph and calling someone on something anti-consumer.
Thanks, Steve.
They're doing the same thing as Boeing. Maximum damage control, the bare minimum amount of accountability, skeleton crews, knowingly shipping defective items, attempting to maximise "shareholder value" and so on. When will these big companies learn that doing those things DOESN'T WORK? When will they realise that screwing over customers, employees, board partners and shareholders alike isn't a good thing?
Employees suffer while executives thrive, this has to stop. Layoff and benefit cuts while executives get raises? The same thing is happening at many employers. We've let so many people go that we've "run out" of severance package funding (which is two weeks plus one for each year of service.) and they are now writing people up for random bull shit to be able to fire vs layoff. Meanwhile our executives gave themselves record raises and bonuses and are some of the highest paid in the industry.
This is due to MBA Private Equity mindset which is rampant everywhere. This impending market crash is going to have to reset the top levels. "How could we have known?!"
This screams "Find another gig / get out before we fire you."
I think Execs are also at risk on being on the chopping block. Usually cases like these cause board level meetings (board members are usually external to the organization). Execs of the departments would need to present findings or lack of process which may have caused the issue. Usually in smaller orgs the excuses are "we didnt have enough funding so we couldnt do adequate testing before the due date due to headcount etc.." In this case though, Intel is a billion dollar company, bs excuses like that doesn't fly. The fact that Intel stated their labs crew were operating with a "skeleton staff" just screams execs attempt to protect themselves from being held accountable and essentiallly blaming the board to reduce overhead costs to increase profits.
@@jtd8719 Exactly. If you quit you also don't get your severance package.
Oh don't worry. You cannot run a ship without a crew, though many people have tried.
Its funny, I saw an article the other day that said "hold on to your Intel stock." Which to me read "please don't sell intel stock, I'm a major shareholdrr paying the media to write this!
Any article that tells you what to think or do, especially in the headline, is complete propaganda.
Will the stock eventually recover, meaning you would avoid actually losing money? Yes. But do you want to continue propping this up?
@@benjaminoechsli1941 but if it hits 25 cents maybe pick some up XD like a keepsake
INTC has big potential at lower prices. Ford stock is $10 and they pay 6% dividend.
Retail stock holders don’t prop up companies. If you’re an Intel stock holder and don’t want to take a hit, don’t feel bad about holding it long term to recoup your losses.
Intel: "We would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those pesky Tech Tubers and that... that CAT!"
What really gets me here is the part where the intel suit says "headcount reduction" and "wood to chop." No longer human. I don't like it here anymore.
I wish there was a journalistic team with as much dedication, integrity, and attention to detail committed to politics. The world needs more GNs for every corner of corruption and deceit.
I was thinking the same! Amazing dedication and effort 👌
Those exist but don't have the resources of corporate media, and in an economic system where entertainment and consumerism are valued above information for making change through citizen effort, those outlets and groups stand no chance.
I follow many such news organizations, they do exist. They don't have as much influence since the general populace is much less informed than tech enthusiasts.
There is- somewhere. it’s just very unlikely they agree with your politics, we all cheer for Steve cause he explains how we’re all getting Fd by these companies, the only people who benefit are the companies. If he was popping off about abortion or immigrants the content would be unwatchable for most of the population
There are, people just prefer to ignore them. And if you lament that they don't exist, well, then you are a big part of the problem.
I stopped watching Linux media because gamer nexus policy of not lying. And now after 30 years of intel my last decades of life im going to be an AMD user. Amazing how reporting the true in tech issues can change life behaviour in humans lol. Thank you Gamer Nexus for your integrity.
Could you elaborate on Linus Media lying? Not sure what it's about.
Brand loyalty should never be a thing.
Hes been a bit of a wanker in recent years, gn released a story on it
@@LorenzenRasmus
Went AMD for CPU this last round, for the X 3D performance. Caught flack from my I.T. employed, Intel faithful cousin over it. He was like "Good luck with that, bubba."
I'm not going to rub this in his face.
I'm sure you said that last line with a sinister smile
Please do, he won't learn otherwise
I mean, I would. I'd then help him spec out a 'classic' Intel rig or a new AMD rig.
Yeah you will
u gotta laugh at him as his INTEL CPU crashed and burns
Intel using the linus playbook...😂
The ole' mass layoff. Upper mangement fails, they cut thousands of jobs (many of which would be better leaders), paint it as a stock holder/money savings thing. CEO parachutes out to redo it all again sonewhere else. Corporate playbook 101.
Abolish the C-suite. Most pay with the least skin in the game.
Problem is, both the C-suite group and the shareholders are all in on the con, and you are not invited. And then they will try to change the government into a planned economy so that they won't end up like the Vanderbilts.
And for those unsure about how this can happen when you do layoffs you divide the salary expense by the number of employees and get the average. The C-Suite get paid exactly the same as the cleaning staff, so it makes no difference to the number reported to the stock holders whether you fire 10 from C-Suite or the 10 from the cleaning staff. The astute will probably realise the cleaning staff are sub contracted in, it was just used as emphasis for the example.
One thing that drew me in to my current company. In the interview they let me know that 1st thing they do if they need to save money is the CEO doesn't take salary for that month. If more cost savings are needed everyone is put on a 4 day week. instead of putting the select few on leave or fired and the CEO making the same money as always. Benefits of the CEO being the owner.
That's really nice! Please remember that these 'benefits' can still be taken away until the day they are written into enforceable law. Still, good for you guys!
Because earned income is tax at stupid high rates CEO probably gets better stock options in exchange.
May I ask which company is this?
@@BlackJesus8463that’s definitely a possibility, assuming they are a public company.
@@__rmk__9360 A machining company in Finland.
They've known about this since 2022. It still hasn't been properly fixed mid-2024. There is no solution. They would have fixed it already if they could.
This is the nightmare scenario for a CPU manufacturer. Two whole gens affected, too. Historic. It's crazy to be living through this.
Thing is they could have done A LOT OF DAMAGE CONTROL by now.
@@Gen0cidePTBand they chose not to just for the short term, or playing with luck that this shit wouldn't go out
The fix is a redesign that would take years. In that time they'll have only lawsuits, no profit. That's why the layoffs.
Of course there was a fix: issue a recall. But their stock price would fall temporarily so they decided to ignore the issue and let it fester.
@@russell2952 It wasn't their stock price they were worried about. Their stock price is down over 50% since 2022. It was the fact that replacing every K series processor would mean having a massive overproduction issue. Let's say 1/10th of the dies come out 14900K binned. They would have to produce 10 extra CPUs for every 149K RMA, and wouldn't sell most of the other SKUs that were binned as they already had sufficient stock of all the lower end chips that would be binned out.
The fab costs alone would sink them, they would have tons of extra lower end 14th gen they couldn't sell, and they would probably have to pull new 14900Ks off storefronts to save some of the extra manufacturing for RMAs they would be doing. And even then, they probably wouldn't service all RMAs before running deep into debt.
Dammit Steve! I turned on your video as "background noise" while I was assembling some PCs and then found out why the Intel build (i5-13400 w/ ARC A770) I did last October was crashing all the time. The error kept saying "video memory error", so I attributed it to the ARC GPU drivers just being behind and decided to let the system sit and come back to it later on after Intel had made some more progress on their GPU front.
Now I find out that Intel set the warranty extension cut-off at the 13400K and did not include the 13400 (which is also a 65W TDP chip, the same as the bar they set for the other SKUs).
To put it as you'd put it, "WTF man?!?!" ....thanks for being a great source of information, even if I happen to be on the sucky end of it this go around. ;D
Just a reminder, this is all coming from papa Pat Gelsinger, who said this at the beginning of 2022: "AMD in the rearview mirror in clients, and never again will they be in the windshield; we are just leading the market."
I thought it was an astoundingly stupid and short sighted thing to say then, and I've enjoyed thinking about it at basically every Intel earnings call for the past couple of years. But the bigger point, which is now being driven home in truly epic fashion, is that Intel execs' own hubris is the root cause for pretty much all their woes. Maybe Pat was/is an engineer, but he's sure doing a good job convincing me he went to night school for an MBA or something after becoming CEO.
And he sure as hell did a good job making me a future AMD only buyer...I still believe AMD is in bed with NVIDIA on pricing, but god anything is better than intel right now...
@@goldenhate6649Not entirely disagreeing - though I'm not sure it's as much fixed pricing, as it is "opportunisme offered by Nvidia increasing their prices" - taking a risk/chance at it allowing AMD to increase their profits.
In either case, it sucks - for us, the consumers.
8:40 - "We do not take this lightly, and we have carefuly considered the impact this will have on the intel family..."
Oh, so Intel treats itself and their employees as family, too?
You know, every single company I've ever worked with that pushed the narrative of everyone being a family ended up being the worst professional experiences I've ever had, from gaslighting to borderline blackmail. That might actually explain a lot of this crap. The whole company is probably rotting inside.
Remember they chose this because family is supposed to be abusive to you and you have to accept it
@@blank.e5plusyou know you can just like, leave your family if they’re twats?
I think you are reading into it too much TBH, it does not sound like they are calling their workforce all a family. It's being used in the same vein of the word 'branding' here.
The Valve family seems to be doing just fine.
corporate family motto, "sit down and shut up."
Steve. They are now saying 65w and over parts only because they know that the sub 65w parts have a low probability to fail during the warranty period. The problem is still there at silicon level but does not present or degrade as quickly as the higher end SKUs purely because it's not being run at those higher frequencies, voltages and thermals. They know they are going to have to eat a shit sandwich on this one so now they are just trying to make sure it's only two slices and not half a loaf.
Minimizing costs of the inevitable callback by the time it's their only choice.
gonna be a lot of headaches for the IT staff at non-profits in 5 years 🫠
I never had a CPU die since I got my first computer about 23 years ago. Anything that hasen't been recycled yet still works, it's just outdated.
Not getting a computer with an Intel CPU for my next computer. Can't trust them, they sold faulty CPUs and blamed everyone else.
@familhagaudir8561 knowingly sold them, that's the worst part for me. They actually thought they'd get away wirh it.
It might also be a lazy way to try to exclude the 13th gen CPUs that actually use Alder Lake dies without farther calling attention to the fact that their website misleadingly lists such processors as "Raptor Lake" and just "taking it on the chin" that the a couple 13th gen Alder Lake i5s may get in the mix which would also explain the phrasing that not all CPU models on their provided list may actually be susceptible.
(for reference, an easy tell is to look at the rated JDEC DDR5 speeds for a given SKU on Intel's site: anything with an Alder Lake die lists DDR5-4800 such as seen on the i9-12900KS and i5-13600 non-K, while anything with a Raptor Lake die lists DDR5-5600 such as seen on the i5-13600K/F, i7-13700 non-K, and i9-14900KS)
Good god, if I was a low level employee and I happened to be in that call and they said they were cutting 15-20% of the workforce, I'd have lost my collective shit and went off on the exec'c. Absolutely insane they give one a 15% bump from 11.5Mil a year to some 15/16Mil. This is why I despise corp America. It's no different than the FinTech I work for except that we're not cutting people. While $5Mil wouldn't make much of a difference for that amount of cuts, perhaps cutting those CEO salaries to say, idk, $250k a year which is way more than what most need yearly to live comfortably in the US. That other $30-50Mil a year that those 3 big wigs make would easily help to float those cuts.
It's astonishing the amount of greed we see these days in bloated salaries. No one needs $15 Mil/Yr.
Companies like that would never hire someone like you in the first place though. They want sheep.
ONLY GN would dare to hold Intel's feet to the fire, and I'm all here for it! Thanks Steve!
Steve, I remember seeing "Out of video memory" errors on the Factorio bug report forum. Factorio does an extremely good job detecting memory errors, so folks often post complicated crash reports. Taken at face value, those reports were assumed to be too many mod graphics loaded, a corrupted video driver or a memory bit flip. But it could be worth investigating, since the number of "magic" crash reports has remained steady or increased recently by my estimation.
Upvote this one bois
Steve, do not take any small private plane rides. And when staying at a hotel, have a buddy or your girl with you. - Former Boeing Employee
And don't let SS promise to protect you.
@@theplaintechUmm... SS?
@@mariocamspam72 secret service, they kinda fumbled recently
Elite Nazi soliders@@mariocamspam72
@@mariocamspam72 lol😂
You're doing the community a great service, thank you.
Another problem with the "keep RMAing it over and over" thing is the fact that Intel threatens to confiscate your CPU each time you do it, because they accuse some people of having tray processors or counterfeit processors for no reason.
All the more reason to log literally everything until you get your money back, then don't use them
I only buy boxed CPUs for this reason
@@kcwilsonii What I'm saying is that Intel is accusing people of having tray or counterfeit CPUs even if they bought boxed ones.
If that's actually happening, that is insane behavior and unacceptable.
Intel should KNOW whether a CPU is a tray or boxed model based on the serial number, which is required to get an RMA.
Just goes to show you can't trust corporations as far as you can throw them, and even more reason to keep keep your CPU boxes.
Late stage capitalism, brought to you by vindictive companies like intel and oracle
CEO's happy to let go 15% of the staff, but I don't see them taking a pay cut.
Capitalism!
Reminds me of Iwata(RIP) who took pay cut when Nintendo was struggling, people like him are a rarity
@@timt6596corporatism.
@@xx0samey0xx I heard that was jap law, not to minimize anything, he seemed like a good guy.
@@xx0samey0xx I was about to mention the same. But hey, can we really expect the same from greedy Intel?
It’s a crying shame that GN only has 2.2m subs. The content they provide is easily worthy of triple that.
Even more, 10x arguably. Best journalistic content I watch or read. Benchmark for the industry
It's rather shocking he has that many subs. He is too In-depth. His pool of potential subs is rather small because of it.
He'll keep doing this and it'll grow.
@@VoicesInDark I think this is it, only us nerds are actually interested in most of the stuff GN provides.
The whole industry would be a better place if they had more subscribers.
thank you all who work at keeping these big ass companies accountable