She is teaching for the modern Martial Arts competitive forms division in tournament competitions, often called the "Extreme Division" due to the acrobatic "tricking" and use of the martial arts weapon(s) in the performance of the forms. I don't think many of the Extreme Division competitive athletes actually "spar" with the weapons, so they have a mental "application" for the moves, but it is generally based upon what they want their form to look like, not what real combat would be. It definitely demonstrates a high level of proficiency with the weapon, but not in what most HEMA or those who train for combat would consider useful in a practical sense. You gentlemen are very polite and respectful, I find that honorable. Peace. #shadiversity
The only concern I have about her video is that the sword she is using has a definite rattle when she stops and starts the sword's movement. Either the sword was designed to have loose fittings and is otherwise totally safe and solid, or was made shoddily and is unsafe to swing, putting any spectaters at risk.
@davidmorizot3706 the weapon you're talking about is not the actual weapon it mimics - and I'm not talking about it being dull. Especially when it comes to weight, she would never be able to move a "standard" japanese "sword" that fast, possibly not even half the speed (every school/ryûha had/has its own preferences). As long as these people know that they're doing a fun sport, I absolutely have no problem with it (even the basics have everything wrong about handling real japanese blades) but more than once I read how mortal these persons would be in a real fight and how they would kick everybody else's ass - yeah, sounds legit.🤔
@@TimStehle Yeah, the weapons they use are usually light hardened aircraft aluminum with a rounded or dull cutting edge for the bladed weapons and for the bo staffs a carbon fiber ultralight composite. Definitely these are for the competitions, as they are safer for the competitors and the audience if they end up being lost in an uncontrolled move.
I don't understand this. Why does so many people think crap, non functional, flashy techniques belong in cinema when they don't belong in functional combat? Do you want your movies to show flashy crap?
Weird. Shad makes a video about the algorithm burying his content, and suddenly youtube is recommending his new videos to me within minutes instead of days.
As a former Taekwondoin I can say, that is so typical Taekwondo ... flashy moves being taught, unquestioned. Not necessarily useful/strong/effective, but good looking in a demonstration. And then those same moves are dropped when there's a competition ... since they are not good for fighting ...
I can't help but to agree with Shads take on take! In Kung Fu, we trained with big stances and broad movements, but aknolaged that practical application will often be much more reserved in breadth of motion. The noted difference between the flashy form practice (Wu Shu), practicing for practical application (Koa Shu).
It's essentially baton twirling, but with a fake sword. Sure, it requires a certain athleticism, but it's really just cheerleading, not combat, not even martial arts.
It is the cringe that dominates movies/shows instead of them using proper techniques. I much rather see real techniques used instead of this performative garbage. I cringe hard whenever I watch any of this in movies/shows and I just zone off until the fight is over. Once you know how a real fight looks, the performative stuff becomes utter cringe.
You haven’t seen much martial arts have you? Especially competition. Literally Tae Kwon Do in the back ground and have been in practice with this lol. Just don’t type anymore dude.
@@BowsettesFury You notice how I separated martial arts from combat? Guys in pajamas doing interpretive dance moves isn't combat either, this nonsense is even one step below those clowns.
The other thing I can see being worrying. Videos like this are very appealing to people who are self taught, because those quick snappy strikes and strong stances are easier to judge self improvement on.
This feels like the sort of swordsmanship that you'd see in tv/movies. It's not uncommon for people to make reels of their fighting/parkour/swordplay etc to build up a following in the hope of being picked up by a studio for stunt work. I feel like this might fall into that category?
That's because it IS what you see in the movies. "Extreme" refers to "Extreme Martial Arts" or "XMA", which is a performing art created by Mike Chaturantabut. It's a mix of gymnastics, acrobatics and martial arts.
Not really, a good fight coreography is supposed to be both relatively easy for the actors AND allow to tell a story through the fight. A good example of this is Jill Bearup's channel
This is not meant to be a sparring tutorial. The term “extreme sword” in martial arts competition refers to the extreme forms that she is demonstrating. This video is exactly as titled. She is providing basics for those aspiring to do what she demonstrates. She never claims that this is training to actually fight. Also, there is ‘extreme bo staff’ and other forms as well.
This brings to mind the differences between figure skating and hockey skating. Hockey skating is used to directly face off against one or more opponents so it focuses on practicality and strength while figure skating is done exclusively to put on a show and focuses on grace and technique. Back when I was skating, learning figure skating helped my hockey skating and vice versa. But I never used any figure skating techniques or tricks playing ice hockey, nor did I utilize the skills from ice hockey for figure skating. There was some overlap in some of the most basic movements but apart from that they were completely different.
Dunno what you guys are always on about. I never have trouble getting notifications for this (or any other) channel. I may not watch them right away, but I get the notifs.
that opening sequence was gorgeous to watch from an aesthetic and athleticism point of view, but from a combative point of view the swordsman scene from Indian Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Arc popped immediately to mind :D
I did stage combat for about 20 years in a Ren Faire. Used a multitude of European weapons from knife to pike. While we focused mainly on safety and showmanship, we did train with quite a few HEMA practitioners. I agree that the flashy moves do give some benefit, much of it needs to be almost forgotten because it completely ignores a safety box which makes sparring dangerous and edge alignment is horrendous to make practical combat near humorous. For re-enactment edge alignment was important for safety reasons (misalignment of an edge when crossing blades will cause unpredictable deflection and can cause breakage). I am no where near a qualified swordsman but have participated in a few HEMA type sparring (we did not wear the protective gear thus sparred at reduced speed, no head strikes or thrusts allowed).
Gymnastics mixed with martial arts stances. She just replaced the baton for a sword. It’s like a gymnast that learned their martial arts skills from an introductory martial arts class and from watching Asian martial arts cinema. And then built up her own exercise regime with it. Which is great, most people will have a hard time keeping up with you. But, you are expending a lot of energy and time with a series of motions and patterns that serve no practice effect and grounding that into muscle memory. It’s really more of a solo dance/exercise routine.
I bet that if they made everything a “reaction” video, even if it wasn’t, the algorithm would recommend every one of them. “Shad Reacts.. to himself making a video on (insert Real Video Name)”
That stance, the "mountain climbing stance," is used in eastern martial arts for leg conditioning. Less so, but a little for follow through, not for stability, but she's not using it to changer her horizontal position at all. She's staying in the same place. It does nothing.
Hello Shad, I'm a great fan of your work, and I wish you, Tyranth, and the rest of your team the best of luck with the algorithm. Keep on the good fight for sword enthusiasts! Regarding the content of this video, I can venture to guess she is practicing Haindong Gumdo, Korean fencing. I say this coming from a Haindong Gumdo backgrounds with over 8 years of practice and a black belt. Haidong Gumdo is usually taught at tae kwon do dojos, and some of her stances and concepts do seem to align with the discipline. Her stance, which would be the correct long stance in Gumdo should be used assuming the enemy is facing ahead, not to the side where there is a larger surface area exposed. Her idea of stopping the cut is indeed with the purpose of avoiding over swinging altho the camera angle doesn't help to determine if she is stopping at the right distance. This stance is taught early on, although it neither is nor should it be the first one to be learned. Gumdo as a fighting style does have a recurrent flaw in transitioning cuts though winding back behind but it's intended to be compensated through proper leg work and movement around the arena. I would be delighted to discuss Gumdo further at length through an email. Gumdo doesn't get as much mentioning out there as Kendo, Iaido or HEMA so I would love to do a solid for my dojo and help you with content at the same time! Godspeed gents.
Hey, Shad i had a big fire at my house last night n it destroyed my entire personal library that i have spent my lifetime collecting. As an avid reader i was devastated. The fire claimed both books and i haven't even finished coloring in the second one.
To be fair to them they say xtreme in the title as for XMA, extreme martial arts which is an organisation/association all about performance and flashiness though most people might not know about it. Also it is on GNT's channel so the name should hint at that a bit. Other than that I forgot GNT existed. This makes me nostalgic. I used to watch him 10 years ago in highschool. Awesome guy.
What I personally don't like about "Performative Martial Arts", is it misrepresents the handling of the weapons, and the false idea of what handling a real sword or staff (insert weapon here) is like. Majority of viewers don't get that the "weapons" are either graphite, carbon fiber or other light materials, the cuts lack edge alignment, or have little to no power. There's something really strange to me particularly, when you see a very fit, and strong looking man twirling/swinging a super thin, fairly short, almost weightless, graphite staff really fast like it's supposed to be impressive. You have to give these people the credit to work towards the fitness and athleticism they put towards these demo's, but the image I get is akin to a Strong Man event; where the 300lb man is hurling 2lb weights through a hula-hoop from 3 feet away. Yeah, he's pitching those weights like base balls through the hoop, but it's not that impressive seeing a super strong man throw teeny-tiny weights such a short distance. To me it'd be more impressive seeing that level of dedication with more accurate weapons (in weight and scale) and really showing control as well as finesse. But that's just my thoughts on this.
If I had come across this video, having “extreme” in the title immediately reveals the style as Hollywood showmanship. Extreme isn’t meant to be functional so I would argue the title is accurate for the style of “extreme martial arts.”
Strong disargreament with your main point. Wierd analogy that doesn't really apply. Thinly vailed insult. More standard online discourse. Cites no sources.
it's bad stage fighting. The basics are ok but she goes way over the top with the complex flourishes. Stage fighting is still supposed to be easy enough (for actors), safe and allow to tell a story with the fighting coreography. She is mostly just showing off
@@marcogenovesi8570All I know is while they are hopping and spinning around, I could hit them easily with my epee. We had a teen brought in to my club and his Mom said he already knew how to fight from larping. Kid was defenseless.
@@OldMusicFan83 Yes, because it's not meant for fighting. "Stage fighting" is coreography moves that look close enough to fighting, used in theater or a movie for a fight scene. It's a fight-looking dance with cooperating participants. It's not fight training and will fall apart if the opponent is actually trying to hurt them.
I agree, cinematic choreography is what we witnessed in the young lady's "basic swordsmanship" training video. It is not combative swordsmanship in any way that I could see, unless you have a death wish. She left herself open to critical strikes in every move.
i have been kicked out of US Hema for teaching correctly , one saber group that was large ( Saber League ) even taught in a way of STACKING THE DECK so they would win all the time , teaching wrong deliberately! , and when they confronted me i called them n the carpet about it and told them to prove it and come to my town ,, no reply except excommunication , others have even taught wrong so they could sell their BS Book! and boot me for teaching period! when i have almost 50 yrs in Sword Play and want people to be safe ! one of them would not except my XP and claimed he only learns from his own self LOL with only 3 yrs XP! and had a full paid class of innocent patrons, so as i left i told the crowd " this is a total waste of your time ! your teacher seems after 3 yrs he knows more than me and is kicking me out because of that , he wont even spar with me LOL!, and because he shows arrogance that is not a trait of a true teacher ! that is aa trait of a narcist . Please be safe in choosing another teacher ,, and i teach for FREE! "
I think you guys are the ones with a misunderstanding. In the title they use "Extreme", that is the name of a style of stage martial arts. Extreme is a style of moves, techniques and patterns to give the appearance of more speed and power. Look up "Extreme Taekwondo", "Extreme Bowstaff" and the like. To summarize Extreme is a style that you have to already have a base of knowledge and ability already then you learn this for showmanship.
Finally, someone else that knows. I usually love Shad's videos, but this one showed me how he can criticize things he's ignorant about. I am part of a karate school where half the students are into the combative side of things and the other half are interested in the XMA stuff. The XMA ones know that it's not for real combat and just for impressing judges. Even the little kids understand that. Neither group puts the other down, in fact they work together to improve each other. The gymnastics from the XMA crowd improves the athleticism and body control of the combative crowd, and the combative crowd helps the XMA crew improve their techniques and give them ideas to add to their routines. I get it, I used to hate the XMA stuff and made fun of it too until I spent a few years with them and realized they are great people with lots of dedication, they just prefer to look pretty than breaking limbs and I've learned to support that.
@@johnurbanek1027 Ah yes that was the name, XMA. Yea XMA is good for pushing yourself even further in focus and balance. As for with Shad goes, assuming good faith, according to his world view or understanding it is more likely that this is McDojo than an actual whole separate style so I can understand how he came to these conclusions. Nobodies perfect and if he sees our comments I hope he learns about extreme!
@@knightofeee Yeah, I may have been harsh towards Shad, but he could have done some more research and used a different tone in this example. He mentioned at the beginning how he thinks doing things for show is fine as long as there's an understanding it's not for combat, but it makes me feel like he's the one that doesn't understand it's just for show. I like Tyranth's reactions better, he seemed to understand this was just a sport he's not familiar with.
I say Shad & the Lady do the next combat duel vid together like the one he & Tyranth (sp?) did. That way she can do her choreography & flash but Shad can go for the more realistic approach. Then they can do a commentary at the end explaining why they did what they did & what their training is for.
Don't forget that the moves the girl is making are mostly impossible, or at least they will be much more slow and vulnerable, if you are dressed in COMBAT attire.
This seems to me to be something you should collaborate with Jill Bearup to comment on. Since Jill makes it clear in all her videos that she is trained in stage combat, not actual combat.
Ironic, because I consider Eyepatch Wolf himself to be a fake intellectual lmao I'll never forget that time he tried to rename the cosmic horror genre into - and I'm not joking - 'inescapable horror'.
@@EthnicWeebHe's alright. He nails some things and messes up others, like any other human. At least he is willing to own up when his takes age like milk, like his takes on Bleach.
@@EthnicWeeb Yeah. He's one of those overintellectualizing semi-woke video essayist media literacy types. Good thing he doesn't upload much, or else he'd actually be quite insufferable.
Lol, your guy's comments are more pseudo-intellectual and insufferable than any video he's ever put out. At least he created something interesting to watch and put himself out there to be judged by you jokers.
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"Beginners Sword Acrobatics" Is a better title as they focus was on the movement and not actually combat. And while these are definitely not basice or standered swords moves, I can see them actually being reasonable effective for very small and quick fighters. The low stance, lingering high guard, and consent stance shifts might actually make sense if your opponent is more then a foot taller then you, and you need to stay within their reach.
The stances, she had presented were actually the karate stances, and as that, they are indeed basic. I've also noticed there is the "Ginger Ninja" involved, so those stances might be applicable in ninjitsu i suppose. It's obwiously wisible that she had to practice karate - her moves are extremely precise. For me, that what she shows, may be called the "Kata".
The problem with this is, though, that even in Karate you are taught to be like a Claymore mine - Front towards enemy. You are taught to move in relation of the opponent and, if possible, keep your front towards the enemy and strike towards the enemy. Also, Ninjitsu if there ever was such a thing would, at least when it comes to sword fighting, use normal katana techniques, as that would have been the sword type used by ninjas. Again, we come back to the problem that in actual fighting you want to stick the forged and sharpened metal stick towards the foe most of the time, to react quickly to strikes from them.
@@Schnittertm1 The main purpose of "Kata" is to master the muscle memory and to show of one's technics in front of their "Sensei", that he can see, which areas of training require more attention. As such, it has nothing to do with the "propper" fight, and it should never be compared to it. In "Kata" the one is fighting with an air or if we like imagined oponents, who positions themselfs exactly where and when the practiotioner wants them.
She's a taekwondo practitioner doing sword work which is for show and great for demonstrations but not actual swordsmanship. I teach karate, 6th Dan, I'm also a Viking age re-enactor, the way you move with sword compared to empty hand is different. Some things transition but not in this way. This is demo stuff.
She is extremely talented and good at what she does. I looked back and she has been doing this sort of thing at competitions for years. But she always does it as a performance, never fighting anyone else or doing practical movements. I believe the title being what it was was the youtuber's idea who recorded the video, and it seemed like she was just explaining how to do her sort of performance. Still really cool, but absolutely should not be taught to people as "basic swordsmanship" or anything like that.
For the algorithm 🎉🎉🎉❤❤ real comment here. I would call this more a general martial art stuff, it's definitely not a "practical swordmanship", and definitely not basic.
Watched up to @4:55. She was doing an an acrobatic floor routine designed for baton, but with a sword shaped baton. There are also ring and ribbon routines if you are into that.
This video might also be more context of the extreme sports martial arts aspect of it. Judging by their channel name and their content, it seems like there’s a lot of focus on tricking. Practicing taekwondo myself, we always stress that there’s a difference between traditional and extreme martial arts and how the ladder is more for the presentation part of it. This video might be for the people who are looking to do to tricking, hence why they might be presenting it so vaguely and not mentioning it’s for performance. That’s my guess🤷♂️
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@@robertjensen1438 😂
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@@robertjensen1438 go home... and don't come back out.... until u have more of these gems...
Thank you very much for mentioning me Shad, I greatly appreciate it.
FOR THE ALGORITHM!
You can't mention Al G or it ignores your comment.
Just say generic stuff like, "This video is great!"
MACHICOLATIONS!
@@RogaineForEwoks This video is great!
Lets go!
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She is teaching for the modern Martial Arts competitive forms division in tournament competitions, often called the "Extreme Division" due to the acrobatic "tricking" and use of the martial arts weapon(s) in the performance of the forms. I don't think many of the Extreme Division competitive athletes actually "spar" with the weapons, so they have a mental "application" for the moves, but it is generally based upon what they want their form to look like, not what real combat would be. It definitely demonstrates a high level of proficiency with the weapon, but not in what most HEMA or those who train for combat would consider useful in a practical sense. You gentlemen are very polite and respectful, I find that honorable. Peace. #shadiversity
The only concern I have about her video is that the sword she is using has a definite rattle when she stops and starts the sword's movement. Either the sword was designed to have loose fittings and is otherwise totally safe and solid, or was made shoddily and is unsafe to swing, putting any spectaters at risk.
@davidmorizot3706 the weapon you're talking about is not the actual weapon it mimics - and I'm not talking about it being dull. Especially when it comes to weight, she would never be able to move a "standard" japanese "sword" that fast, possibly not even half the speed (every school/ryûha had/has its own preferences).
As long as these people know that they're doing a fun sport, I absolutely have no problem with it (even the basics have everything wrong about handling real japanese blades)
but more than once I read how mortal these persons would be in a real fight and how they would kick everybody else's ass - yeah, sounds legit.🤔
@@TimStehle Yeah, the weapons they use are usually light hardened aircraft aluminum with a rounded or dull cutting edge for the bladed weapons and for the bo staffs a carbon fiber ultralight composite. Definitely these are for the competitions, as they are safer for the competitors and the audience if they end up being lost in an uncontrolled move.
@@Mr_Just_ice Thank you for informing me.
@davidmorizot3706 Thank you, I appreciate your respnse.
I would title it “cinematic sword choreography basics”
I call it "twirling". This is basically every hollywood stunt-womans showreel. This is why every fight scene in every movie looks exactly the same.
basically perfect 🎉 great comment
I don't understand this. Why does so many people think crap, non functional, flashy techniques belong in cinema when they don't belong in functional combat? Do you want your movies to show flashy crap?
@ I don’t know what you’re on about. I never said I liked it, move along.
Yeah, choreography is the same word i would use.
It's not martial arts, Shad is spot on it's "sword performative dance".
Weird. Shad makes a video about the algorithm burying his content, and suddenly youtube is recommending his new videos to me within minutes instead of days.
@@maryrose2676 a lot of the other comments are saying this was quickly recommended to them too
I wonder if anything’s changed 🤔
Hard to say, both suspicious and miraculous.
It's one of the ways to break out of UA-cam prison; if you call out algorithmic suppression, it often stops almost immediately.
Crazy ...
because complaining is drama and the algorithm likes drama
i have no problem with fancy exhibition forms, but calling people who DANCE with a weapon a martial artist is going too far.
I just use my subscription page as a home page. Then everything's alright.
So true. Punching the algorithm in the jewels rn.
Agreed!! I've always checked either the notifications or the subscription page.
Yeah seriously, I didn't know people do it otherwise lol
I've been using the subscription page for years. It's so weird to see people do the exact opposite.
I just use my home page when I want to find new content. It's subscription page every other time.
I watched the algorithm video now I'm getting recommend one of ur videos every time I refresh the home page...coincidence...I think not.
Same, I'm glad I'm here though!
Have you considered doing a sword basics tutorial video?
I would be interested if They did this!
He did awhile ago
That would be cool.
Pretty sure he did this years ago
He did one where he trained his squires.
As a former Taekwondoin I can say, that is so typical Taekwondo ... flashy moves being taught, unquestioned. Not necessarily useful/strong/effective, but good looking in a demonstration. And then those same moves are dropped when there's a competition ... since they are not good for fighting ...
How to look fancy while dying in sword combat.
Exactly her moves are Gorgeous and belong on a Film screen or a choero for a competition, NOT even an exhibition Match let alone a Real Fight.
@@AlbertoMartinez765 So not on a film screen either then if you want your movies to show combat
So you're worried about dying in sword combat as opposed to demonstrating athletic and aesthetic ability?
@@willnitschke Well if it is presented as "how to not die in combat", yeah sorta.
Hahahaha that title made me laugh
I can't help but to agree with Shads take on take! In Kung Fu, we trained with big stances and broad movements, but aknolaged that practical application will often be much more reserved in breadth of motion.
The noted difference between the flashy form practice (Wu Shu), practicing for practical application (Koa Shu).
This kid bodies Shad on cardio alone. She just coup de grace his wheezing on all fours stance.
It's essentially baton twirling, but with a fake sword. Sure, it requires a certain athleticism, but it's really just cheerleading, not combat, not even martial arts.
Omg I had the same thought
It is the cringe that dominates movies/shows instead of them using proper techniques. I much rather see real techniques used instead of this performative garbage. I cringe hard whenever I watch any of this in movies/shows and I just zone off until the fight is over. Once you know how a real fight looks, the performative stuff becomes utter cringe.
Combative cheerleading?
You haven’t seen much martial arts have you? Especially competition. Literally Tae Kwon Do in the back ground and have been in practice with this lol. Just don’t type anymore dude.
@@BowsettesFury You notice how I separated martial arts from combat? Guys in pajamas doing interpretive dance moves isn't combat either, this nonsense is even one step below those clowns.
Very interesting video Shad 👍🏻
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🤣... One. Of. Us. Is. Wearing. A. Pushup Bra!... Great film, particularly when paired with the whacky backy...
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If you're all alive then that must mean..wimplo!
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Thank you algorithm for actually notifying me of this 😁
The other thing I can see being worrying. Videos like this are very appealing to people who are self taught, because those quick snappy strikes and strong stances are easier to judge self improvement on.
This feels like the sort of swordsmanship that you'd see in tv/movies. It's not uncommon for people to make reels of their fighting/parkour/swordplay etc to build up a following in the hope of being picked up by a studio for stunt work. I feel like this might fall into that category?
Yeah. If I lived in a movie or anime, this would be an absolutely essential skill set.
Maybe one day movies/tv will finally pick up real martial artists who know proper technique instead.
That is 100% what this is.
She's better than what you'd see in a Disney movie. Way better than Rey 😂
That's because it IS what you see in the movies.
"Extreme" refers to "Extreme Martial Arts" or "XMA", which is a performing art created by Mike Chaturantabut. It's a mix of gymnastics, acrobatics and martial arts.
Love your stuff Shad.
Hail the Fellowship!!!!!
Would this be like a cinematic basics lesson? Not functional for fighting, but for acting?
Considering she's an actor who teaches stage fighting that's exactly what it is - this is a nothing burger.
@@-Bill. Then again Tyrant's right that her title is wrong - Where is the word "stage" in her title or indeed anywhere in her video?
@@-Bill. Yeah, but they managed to make that nothing burger in to a 24min video.
Not really, a good fight coreography is supposed to be both relatively easy for the actors AND allow to tell a story through the fight. A good example of this is Jill Bearup's channel
@@marcogenovesi8570 yea, Jill's channel is great
This is not meant to be a sparring tutorial. The term “extreme sword” in martial arts competition refers to the extreme forms that she is demonstrating. This video is exactly as titled. She is providing basics for those aspiring to do what she demonstrates. She never claims that this is training to actually fight. Also, there is ‘extreme bo staff’ and other forms as well.
if you want to take lessons it's a big red flag if they don't say what style/type it is ie olympic fencing, fiore/meyer hema, iaido etc.
The Shadmen will rise up and beat the algorithm. RISE BROTHERS
Maybe just check your subscription page.
Faster notifications from the algorithm would be better
Best to watch what terms you're using, cause Shadmen is one letter different from Shadman, and he is a guy we do NOT want to be associated with.
This brings to mind the differences between figure skating and hockey skating. Hockey skating is used to directly face off against one or more opponents so it focuses on practicality and strength while figure skating is done exclusively to put on a show and focuses on grace and technique.
Back when I was skating, learning figure skating helped my hockey skating and vice versa. But I never used any figure skating techniques or tricks playing ice hockey, nor did I utilize the skills from ice hockey for figure skating. There was some overlap in some of the most basic movements but apart from that they were completely different.
Perfect. I can see some arrogant NHL bros watching figure skating and complaining how it's not real fighting.
Excellent comparison
Rare sight of Shad's video appearing both in my recommended and notification!
Exactly it usually takes ages for the videos to be recommended more of this youtube.
Dunno what you guys are always on about. I never have trouble getting notifications for this (or any other) channel. I may not watch them right away, but I get the notifs.
I love this video. Great stuff guys. Keep it up ⚔️
that opening sequence was gorgeous to watch from an aesthetic and athleticism point of view, but from a combative point of view the swordsman scene from Indian Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Arc popped immediately to mind :D
I did stage combat for about 20 years in a Ren Faire. Used a multitude of European weapons from knife to pike. While we focused mainly on safety and showmanship, we did train with quite a few HEMA practitioners.
I agree that the flashy moves do give some benefit, much of it needs to be almost forgotten because it completely ignores a safety box which makes sparring dangerous and edge alignment is horrendous to make practical combat near humorous.
For re-enactment edge alignment was important for safety reasons (misalignment of an edge when crossing blades will cause unpredictable deflection and can cause breakage).
I am no where near a qualified swordsman but have participated in a few HEMA type sparring (we did not wear the protective gear thus sparred at reduced speed, no head strikes or thrusts allowed).
Finally getting alerts from this channel after watching the previous video. Way to go UA-cam, your algorithm is garbage.
Always has been
Yes
Gymnastics mixed with martial arts stances. She just replaced the baton for a sword.
It’s like a gymnast that learned their martial arts skills from an introductory martial arts class and from watching Asian martial arts cinema. And then built up her own exercise regime with it.
Which is great, most people will have a hard time keeping up with you. But, you are expending a lot of energy and time with a series of motions and patterns that serve no practice effect and grounding that into muscle memory. It’s really more of a solo dance/exercise routine.
Don't give up man, there is a place for you here! I enjoyed the video
I literally just left a comment saying the same thing on one of their videos yesterday! I also subscribed and liked to try to help with the algorithm.
I vote to refer to these types of "swordsmanship" videos as snake oil sword arts.
In that it looks and sounds good. Until you learn the truth.
They are gteat for work on Disney movies
So "sword art" on youtube - or we just call it Sword Art Online
The video is literally called "Extreme Sword Basics".... Keyword being Extreme....
Seagal's snake oil bullswordshitship
I wish there were over the top anime swords fights with proper sword techniques
this video was recommended almost instantly. great!
Yessir
Indeed.
Same, like 13 minutes after being posted!
Same here !
I bet that if they made everything a “reaction” video, even if it wasn’t, the algorithm would recommend every one of them. “Shad Reacts.. to himself making a video on (insert Real Video Name)”
Dayum, Shad is calling out kids for erroneous video title.
I would compare it most closely to skating
We have figure skating and
Hockey skating
one is beautiful to the eye, the other is functional
Good analogy.
Watching hockey players attempt figure skating would be hilarious.
I would call this a form of dance.
It is Sword dancing.
Surely it's more of a swing
@@finesse7943 Look at the leg work.
lol Swords Dance
"ATTACK UP"
That stance, the "mountain climbing stance," is used in eastern martial arts for leg conditioning. Less so, but a little for follow through, not for stability, but she's not using it to changer her horizontal position at all. She's staying in the same place. It does nothing.
11:24 what works for me is holding the blade. I get a clean cut everytime
LOVE YOUR VIDS SHAD! I got the notification 8 min after your video was uploaded. Keep up the amazing work and lots of love from South Africa
Exactly would be nice if we were notified like this or faster
Finally, a Shadiversity video that gets recommended in my feed!
Great Video Shad! Keep fighting like the knight within you!
Film/Performance Sword Basics, or something like that as a title.
Keep up the awesome work, Shad! Your loyal knights will defend your kingdom!
The only Swordmaster i trust is you and your friends Shad, unless you endorsed someone else i will not trust any other swordsman
Did they really title the video "Extreme Sword Basics"? What the hell is an "extreme basic"??
Extreme basic is so basic it can’t get anymore basic. Its basic in it extremest form.
@holycameltoe124 Somehow, you've made sense of this... here's your trophy🏆
They called "Ginger Ninja Trickster" doesn't that says it all? 🤣
As in Extremely Basic. what is so hard to understand about that?
@@MAGAMAN do you know what an oxymoron is?
Hello Shad, I'm a great fan of your work, and I wish you, Tyranth, and the rest of your team the best of luck with the algorithm. Keep on the good fight for sword enthusiasts! Regarding the content of this video, I can venture to guess she is practicing Haindong Gumdo, Korean fencing. I say this coming from a Haindong Gumdo backgrounds with over 8 years of practice and a black belt. Haidong Gumdo is usually taught at tae kwon do dojos, and some of her stances and concepts do seem to align with the discipline. Her stance, which would be the correct long stance in Gumdo should be used assuming the enemy is facing ahead, not to the side where there is a larger surface area exposed. Her idea of stopping the cut is indeed with the purpose of avoiding over swinging altho the camera angle doesn't help to determine if she is stopping at the right distance. This stance is taught early on, although it neither is nor should it be the first one to be learned. Gumdo as a fighting style does have a recurrent flaw in transitioning cuts though winding back behind but it's intended to be compensated through proper leg work and movement around the arena. I would be delighted to discuss Gumdo further at length through an email. Gumdo doesn't get as much mentioning out there as Kendo, Iaido or HEMA so I would love to do a solid for my dojo and help you with content at the same time! Godspeed gents.
Hell yeah this video didn’t get buried by the algorithm.
F*** the Algorithm! For Shadiversity !
Sacrificing my comment to the algorithm gods
Allow me to supplement your sacrifice with my own.
@@faerylnhiikira1053 you, sir, are well allowed and appreciated
May the algorithm bless you and keep you 🙏🏻
"Theatre swordsmanship" Basic strikes and stances for Theatre.
Nah, theatre sword fighting is very specific.
Hey, Shad i had a big fire at my house last night n it destroyed my entire personal library that i have spent my lifetime collecting. As an avid reader i was devastated. The fire claimed both books and i haven't even finished coloring in the second one.
Had me in the firsthalf ngl
I’m glad you still upload for us.
To be fair to them they say xtreme in the title as for XMA, extreme martial arts which is an organisation/association all about performance and flashiness though most people might not know about it. Also it is on GNT's channel so the name should hint at that a bit. Other than that I forgot GNT existed. This makes me nostalgic. I used to watch him 10 years ago in highschool. Awesome guy.
Vid came straight into my feed Shad 👍
What I personally don't like about "Performative Martial Arts", is it misrepresents the handling of the weapons, and the false idea of what handling a real sword or staff (insert weapon here) is like.
Majority of viewers don't get that the "weapons" are either graphite, carbon fiber or other light materials, the cuts lack edge alignment, or have little to no power.
There's something really strange to me particularly, when you see a very fit, and strong looking man twirling/swinging a super thin, fairly short, almost weightless, graphite staff really fast like it's supposed to be impressive.
You have to give these people the credit to work towards the fitness and athleticism they put towards these demo's, but the image I get is akin to a Strong Man event; where the 300lb man is hurling 2lb weights through a hula-hoop from 3 feet away. Yeah, he's pitching those weights like base balls through the hoop, but it's not that impressive seeing a super strong man throw teeny-tiny weights such a short distance.
To me it'd be more impressive seeing that level of dedication with more accurate weapons (in weight and scale) and really showing control as well as finesse.
But that's just my thoughts on this.
Man I hope shad carries on the uploading of consistent content. Huge fan of the channel, keep up the good work!!!
I just realized people treat me LIKE I am god! (Not thee God)
They ignore my existence until they need me.
3:32 ....she's treating the sword like a baton. Is this the new baton-twirling trend? Pretend its a sword?
Right, is more like olympic gymnastics or theatrics for films than any real use
Its no more use than movies gun-fu acrobatics
My exact thoughts. This is just cheerleading, but with a sword.
I also pretend my baton is a sword, it helps me when I'm thrusting
If I had come across this video, having “extreme” in the title immediately reveals the style as Hollywood showmanship. Extreme isn’t meant to be functional so I would argue the title is accurate for the style of “extreme martial arts.”
Algorithm this is participation. See? We write stuff. Importand stuff. Yes yes.
Conversations occur. Conflict ensues!
Information is exchanged (gasp)!
*witty commentary, with a tinge of irony and sarcasm*
indeed
algorythm u should learn from this
I'm just going to spam replies and likes in this comment section.
Strong disargreament with your main point.
Wierd analogy that doesn't really apply.
Thinly vailed insult.
More standard online discourse.
Cites no sources.
I'd like to see a link of the video you react to in the decription!
IMO you should always link to stuff you use as reference in a video.
My fencing instructor called this ‘stage fighting’, if not outright LARPing.
@@OldMusicFan83 it IS literally stage fighting. learned some of that kind of stuff for theater
it's bad stage fighting. The basics are ok but she goes way over the top with the complex flourishes. Stage fighting is still supposed to be easy enough (for actors), safe and allow to tell a story with the fighting coreography. She is mostly just showing off
@@marcogenovesi8570All I know is while they are hopping and spinning around, I could hit them easily with my epee. We had a teen brought in to my club and his Mom said he already knew how to fight from larping. Kid was defenseless.
@@OldMusicFan83 Yes, because it's not meant for fighting. "Stage fighting" is coreography moves that look close enough to fighting, used in theater or a movie for a fight scene.
It's a fight-looking dance with cooperating participants.
It's not fight training and will fall apart if the opponent is actually trying to hurt them.
I agree, cinematic choreography is what we witnessed in the young lady's "basic swordsmanship" training video. It is not combative swordsmanship in any way that I could see, unless you have a death wish. She left herself open to critical strikes in every move.
I mean... may as well start some beef with them. Not like they could win in a sword fight.
Nice.
It's more likely that she will exhaust herself dancing while Shad laughs from afar.
i have been kicked out of US Hema for teaching correctly , one saber group that was large ( Saber League ) even taught in a way of STACKING THE DECK so they would win all the time , teaching wrong deliberately! , and when they confronted me i called them n the carpet about it and told them to prove it and come to my town ,, no reply except excommunication , others have even taught wrong so they could sell their BS Book! and boot me for teaching period! when i have almost 50 yrs in Sword Play and want people to be safe ! one of them would not except my XP and claimed he only learns from his own self LOL with only 3 yrs XP! and had a full paid class of innocent patrons, so as i left i told the crowd " this is a total waste of your time ! your teacher seems after 3 yrs he knows more than me and is kicking me out because of that , he wont even spar with me LOL!, and because he shows arrogance that is not a trait of a true teacher ! that is aa trait of a narcist . Please be safe in choosing another teacher ,, and i teach for FREE! "
This actually appeared on my feed for a change.
Same here!
Same
she may not have control over the title? that may explain confusion
writing for the algorithm , i have nothing else really to say
I think you guys are the ones with a misunderstanding. In the title they use "Extreme", that is the name of a style of stage martial arts. Extreme is a style of moves, techniques and patterns to give the appearance of more speed and power. Look up "Extreme Taekwondo", "Extreme Bowstaff" and the like.
To summarize Extreme is a style that you have to already have a base of knowledge and ability already then you learn this for showmanship.
Finally, someone else that knows. I usually love Shad's videos, but this one showed me how he can criticize things he's ignorant about.
I am part of a karate school where half the students are into the combative side of things and the other half are interested in the XMA stuff. The XMA ones know that it's not for real combat and just for impressing judges. Even the little kids understand that. Neither group puts the other down, in fact they work together to improve each other. The gymnastics from the XMA crowd improves the athleticism and body control of the combative crowd, and the combative crowd helps the XMA crew improve their techniques and give them ideas to add to their routines. I get it, I used to hate the XMA stuff and made fun of it too until I spent a few years with them and realized they are great people with lots of dedication, they just prefer to look pretty than breaking limbs and I've learned to support that.
@@johnurbanek1027 Ah yes that was the name, XMA. Yea XMA is good for pushing yourself even further in focus and balance.
As for with Shad goes, assuming good faith, according to his world view or understanding it is more likely that this is McDojo than an actual whole separate style so I can understand how he came to these conclusions. Nobodies perfect and if he sees our comments I hope he learns about extreme!
@@knightofeee Yeah, I may have been harsh towards Shad, but he could have done some more research and used a different tone in this example. He mentioned at the beginning how he thinks doing things for show is fine as long as there's an understanding it's not for combat, but it makes me feel like he's the one that doesn't understand it's just for show. I like Tyranth's reactions better, he seemed to understand this was just a sport he's not familiar with.
Got this recommended in the first minute 👍
Me too! 😁
This is notification speed we need.
Me as well.
UA-cam FINALLY recommended a new video to me. Thanks for the content.
I normally never catch your vids when they are new. So I'm just leaving a comment early on to help with the algorithm issues.
I say Shad & the Lady do the next combat duel vid together like the one he & Tyranth (sp?) did. That way she can do her choreography & flash but Shad can go for the more realistic approach. Then they can do a commentary at the end explaining why they did what they did & what their training is for.
Don't forget that the moves the girl is making are mostly impossible, or at least they will be much more slow and vulnerable, if you are dressed in COMBAT attire.
The moves are also not taking into account an opponent fighting back. That is probably the most egregious here.
I mean, I dont know about you, but I was happy with what she was wearing...
So basically Hollywood stunt sword fighting.
I'm sure it'd work great on a Disney+ Star Wars show.
This! and plus 100 camara cuts in the same scene.
was thinking the same thing lol
No, it's already too good for their standards.
Yeah - then we could get another fight scene autopsy of how silly it looks
@@press_start_play A good video would be of them doing what that "expert" is showing, in a realistic sword fight. People could see how absurd it is.
This seems to me to be something you should collaborate with Jill Bearup to comment on. Since Jill makes it clear in all her videos that she is trained in stage combat, not actual combat.
I'm reminded of a Supereyepatchwolf video exposing the bizarre world of fake martial arts.
Ironic, because I consider Eyepatch Wolf himself to be a fake intellectual lmao
I'll never forget that time he tried to rename the cosmic horror genre into - and I'm not joking - 'inescapable horror'.
@@EthnicWeebI take his stuff with a grain of salt but his martial arts video was legit
@@EthnicWeebHe's alright. He nails some things and messes up others, like any other human.
At least he is willing to own up when his takes age like milk, like his takes on Bleach.
@@EthnicWeeb Yeah. He's one of those overintellectualizing semi-woke video essayist media literacy types. Good thing he doesn't upload much, or else he'd actually be quite insufferable.
Lol, your guy's comments are more pseudo-intellectual and insufferable than any video he's ever put out. At least he created something interesting to watch and put himself out there to be judged by you jokers.
A wizard named Szord was experimenting with turning animate life into inanimate objects. One day, he turned one unfortunate guy passing by his wizard's tower into a boat. The guy was turned into
Szord's Man-Ship.
Yeah im just gonna try to engage as much as possible when i see your videos love the channel and the people
"Beginners Sword Acrobatics" Is a better title as they focus was on the movement and not actually combat.
And while these are definitely not basice or standered swords moves, I can see them actually being reasonable effective for very small and quick fighters. The low stance, lingering high guard, and consent stance shifts might actually make sense if your opponent is more then a foot taller then you, and you need to stay within their reach.
this is showmanship not swordsmanship
at best i would call that "3 strike sword kata" because it is about as effective in combat as any other martial arts kata ive seen
The stances, she had presented were actually the karate stances, and as that, they are indeed basic. I've also noticed there is the "Ginger Ninja" involved, so those stances might be applicable in ninjitsu i suppose. It's obwiously wisible that she had to practice karate - her moves are extremely precise. For me, that what she shows, may be called the "Kata".
The problem with this is, though, that even in Karate you are taught to be like a Claymore mine - Front towards enemy. You are taught to move in relation of the opponent and, if possible, keep your front towards the enemy and strike towards the enemy. Also, Ninjitsu if there ever was such a thing would, at least when it comes to sword fighting, use normal katana techniques, as that would have been the sword type used by ninjas. Again, we come back to the problem that in actual fighting you want to stick the forged and sharpened metal stick towards the foe most of the time, to react quickly to strikes from them.
@@Schnittertm1 The main purpose of "Kata" is to master the muscle memory and to show of one's technics in front of their "Sensei", that he can see, which areas of training require more attention. As such, it has nothing to do with the "propper" fight, and it should never be compared to it. In "Kata" the one is fighting with an air or if we like imagined oponents, who positions themselfs exactly where and when the practiotioner wants them.
She's a taekwondo practitioner doing sword work which is for show and great for demonstrations but not actual swordsmanship.
I teach karate, 6th Dan, I'm also a Viking age re-enactor, the way you move with sword compared to empty hand is different. Some things transition but not in this way. This is demo stuff.
These sword react vids are great. The forged in fire stuff is also good. How about some Arrow reacts.
She is extremely talented and good at what she does. I looked back and she has been doing this sort of thing at competitions for years. But she always does it as a performance, never fighting anyone else or doing practical movements. I believe the title being what it was was the youtuber's idea who recorded the video, and it seemed like she was just explaining how to do her sort of performance. Still really cool, but absolutely should not be taught to people as "basic swordsmanship" or anything like that.
For the algorithm 🎉🎉🎉❤❤
real comment here. I would call this more a general martial art stuff, it's definitely not a "practical swordmanship", and definitely not basic.
"Martial dancing"
I file this sort of thing together with contemporary wushu. It looks good, but lacks actual practicality.
Could be practical if one plans to act as a fan in a warm environment...but in a sword fight...I absolutely agree with you 😅
Great vid !
"MCDOJO I'm loving it!"
Watched up to @4:55. She was doing an an acrobatic floor routine designed for baton, but with a sword shaped baton. There are also ring and ribbon routines if you are into that.
Oh so you were serious about the daily uploads. Good!
This video might also be more context of the extreme sports martial arts aspect of it. Judging by their channel name and their content, it seems like there’s a lot of focus on tricking. Practicing taekwondo myself, we always stress that there’s a difference between traditional and extreme martial arts and how the ladder is more for the presentation part of it. This video might be for the people who are looking to do to tricking, hence why they might be presenting it so vaguely and not mentioning it’s for performance. That’s my guess🤷♂️