One mother's mission to ban 'vulgar' books - BBC News
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- In the last year, book challenges have flooded local school boards and statehouses across the country at a pace not seen in decades.
The BBC went to Katy, Texas, where the town's school district has removed some books from its library shelves after protests from parents about vulgar content.
Students are speaking out against the move, saying it's a direct attack on their identity.
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I was raped as a teenager by a classmate. Like many in my situation, I wasn’t believed. Books about rape, injustice, sexual abuse, and other dark subjects really helped me get through this difficult time. I ended up graduating near the top of my class and got a big scholarship to my first choice college. I now have a successful career and am doing great.
As for the rapist, as an adult he ended up in prison anyway. So much for protecting the guilty.
I’m so sorry this woman is taking away these books. She’s not protecting innocent children. She’s harming the children who have been scarred and wounded, and who have no other way out but reading until they are an adult.
For people who don't come from a background that says it's okay for adults to pet your hair against your will or for you to be toppled when you don't want to practice martial arts, they don't understand it is sexual harrassment because there wasn't penetration per se and developing anxieties when the other sex, males are around, is considered weird. When you experience such things on a daily basis & come from a culture where sons having a nightout is okay but for daughters a no-no and give her no education and beyond that she must not flinch whenever males want to touch her, she might get herself into a situation where she might find it difficult to say no to boys & end up having sex when she doesn't even know what it is... I am glad to hear you made the best of it. It took years for me because I never had the books or the material.
But do you really want to imprint this memory onto young children so they have to have these imaginary things play out around them in their minds as they grow up?
@@himawari651 Nobody was questioning if all these books should be banned in general anyway. This is just an issue for the school.
@@analogdistortion Something I noticed way back when I was in school: the same holier-than-thou kids preaching to ban vulgar books in public were secretly playing violent video games and sneaking into theaters to watch R-rated movies. The hypocrisy was top-notch.
@@-_-_-_-_-wut2719 Thank you. Much appreciated.
This overly protective mother doesn't realize that elementary school children have access to the internet and have already been exposed to MUCH worse explicit material than what's in these books. She's a bit out of touched & dated.
That's what's so frustrating about dealing with conservatives. They don't realize the world has changed and will continue to change. There's nothing you can do to change that given the prevalence of the internet.
If she wants to protect kids in Texas schools bring a group of people and protest schools that let bullying go unchecked, bullying is traumatizing.
Ever heard of parental controls ?
@@naconaco1 There were parental controls on our devices when I was growing up and they were a joke, most kids are more tech savvy than their parents so they find a way around them and trust me they use other devices not given to them by their parents. They see anything the internet has to offer.
Just because there's more explicit stuff available to most young people, doesn't mean books including explicit sexual acts should be in schools.
That's like saying there's violent porn on the internet so having soft porn videos in schools is no big deal.
I hope she doesn't have internet at her house
I noticed that we never got to hear from her kids and what they truly thought of her censorious crusade.
"All kinds of people are degraded in this book", let teenagers discover that themselves. Let them say "Oh, this is not how one should act, this is derogatory". If you spoon-feed children with your own, sometimes flawed, values - how are they going to develop free thought and actual opinions?
Yep, those who do not know thier history (or anything else) are doomed to repeat it.
It's frustrating how basic this seems but also encouraging that teenagers are aware of their power as well as the impact it would have on future students if their access to diverse literature was taken away.
It's great that they're fighting for their right to access books. Great kids.
Yes I agree...I wish books by the KKK leaders was available in my school library. It would have been fun.
I feel like this is a agree to disagree situation. I feel like these books with graphic sexual themes should be banned from school libraries, but kept in public libraries.
@@lanadelreyhey Then they will get it on you tube or other social media, more explicit than anything in a book, even if the book is in the public library. Also, this would set a precedent, if you can ban this people will use it as an anchor to ban whatever the hell offends them even if it is Barney the Dinosaur.
Books don't need to be banned, if you don't like the book, don't read it. 😡Don't take away the choices of others.
What about violent or explicit films? Are they not age restricted? Do you think toddlers should be allowed access to hard core media?
This is not about banning the books entirely. It's about removing them from school libraries.
I was fully expecting this to be a "moral crusade" to ban magic or LGBT, or whatever else the christian right dislike, but it does sound like it's genuinely explicit content that is not only accessible to kids, but targetted at them and held in school libraries.
@@Spinq , she’s not banning violence, just sex. Which is completely ridiculous when it comes to teenagers. They should be able to read about sexual experiences, not just clinical sex Ed.
@@Spinq nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition…. _to be so stupid_
but to know whether you like something you have to experience it in this case the book, so your comment is frankly ridiculous
@@stronkserbia444 Summaries and reviews are there for that. Amazing, right?
"I'm not about censorship but here's why these books should be censored. See my beliefs outweigh every child psychologist and parent out there because I'm literally more moral and understanding."
Yep. Why does this one woman get to be the authority on what kids get to read? Does she police how they all interact as well? Art imitates life. Those books imitate how teens can treat each other, how adults treat teens.
Sorry, this is about porn and filthy smutt being shown to children. Do not attempt to disguise it.
As soon as I got my adult library card at the tender age of 13, I started checking out romance novels, which is hardly a healthy avenue for learning about the functional and emotional sides of human sexuality. Unfortunately it was all I had, growing up in the conservative Midwest. The excerpts that woman read seemed very relatable to my recollections of conversations I had with girlfriends in my teens. I doubt kids are much different today, but their access to information and misinformation is vast in comparison. Her book banning crusade feels as futile as closing the barn door after the animals escaped and the barn burnt down.
Your last statement made me laugh on how true it it. Also this is relatable. I've read twilight and new moon in middle school and only now (10+ years after) do I realize how unhealthy those relationships are. Around the same time, I also recall buying a vampire book at Walmart one summer(the public library not someplace we went to outside of school) that had a cool cover. Unfortunately it was an adult book and covered some mature topics such as sexual trauma and recovery from said trauma. I was so surprised and confused not really knowing what sex was at the time but felt uncomfortable enough that I threw the book away. Yeah close the door after the animals left sure is true.
Are there really any so called healthy avenues of "functional and emotional sides of human sexuality"? In our dysfunctional society, anything and everything related to sexual fantasy is deemed unhealthy. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thank you...
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yea books... when you have all porn in the world just one click away available everywhere for free.... good luck
Censorship is bad for people's wellbeing and growth
Removing explicit content from school libraries is not censorship.
Yep. Mainstream media push it for their own agenda
@@Spinq fk u. Poor bot
@@Spinq who decides what to remove? It's totally censorship
@@Spinq , it’s the definition of censorship.
This is ridiculous
Any book someone tries to ban, is a book I want to read.
@@james9836 knowledge is power.
You are (I assume) an adult. Good for you.
The subject about books concerns children, with undeveloped understanding of risks, maturity and life experiences.
@@analogdistortion and? You don't think I read as a child?
@@fabiennemitchell2371 that's why parental guidance exist.
Why is banning books is the first response when they find vulgar language or unhealthy relationships? Why not try to have warnings added to the books instead ( either from the author or the librarian) for both vulgar language and others things such as abuse, rape, gun violence ect. Especially the unhealthy relationships so that a teenager or even adult could recognize something they should try to avoid in real life and or keep an eye out. Also banning a book for vulgar language from highschool is so ridiculous since it would take away a sense of realism or relatability from the books targeted to teenagers.
Your suggestion is reasonable for adult minds - buffered by age, experience of life and a better understanding of consequences.
Kids shouldn't be exposed to deeply violent unethical stuff like that. Have you ever read any of these books? I have seen examples of the kind of books they teach and/or keep at some schools and they are things that stick on the mind.
@@analogdistortion I would think the most traumatizing thing are the “don’t shoot me” drills.
@@analogdistortion These are teenagers so most of them already have
@@tommyl7203 That's just not how it should be and for a good percentage isn't true. Your argument here is the same as well if one person was victimised, why not victimise them all? F it?
This form of censorship, unchecked, leads ineluctably to the the ultimate form of censorship, where you not only do away with the book you disagree with, but you do away with the *writer* of the book you disagree with.
@UCC_mUJdDQyEcMmlFwANPdWQ Absolutely. As Blake had it: *Without contraries is no progression. Attraction and repulsion, reason and energy, love and hate, are necessary to human existence.* His way of saying that each of us *define* ourselves by what we are not.
UA-cam censors people all the time.
@@benbow7 Yes. This is well known. Your point is?
Nazi Germany pre WW2 springs to mind!
@@titteryenot4524 liberals do it all the time is the point
She’s busy out banning books whilst her teenager is watching CornHub. Kids are gonna come across these things and it’s always been normalised even when I was teen in the 2000s before smart phones came about.
I think this woman needs to get a real job.
Cornhub?
At least she's trying
@@GoFlyFeetOnGround trying what? To let her society die in moral beauty?
@@hansolowe19 Lmao
@@GoFlyFeetOnGround trying to do what?
Best ad campaign for these books! The students are doing a wonderful job standing up for what they believe.
Remember when this happened in the 80's? How'd that work out? I'm curious to know what this woman's qualifications to decide what all of our children and young adults read. If you don't want your kid to read it.. then you do your job as a parent and explain why to them. Because you aren't doing a good job of explaining it to anyone else other than "it makes me uncomfortable."
I think you got a point on this
BBFC seems to still be going strong.
She may not be the best qualified to make the decisions herself, but shouldn't somebody? Why are books exempt from age restrictions like films and computer games are?
@@Spinq , because a book is not the same as a film. There are things I can read in books that I couldn’t stand watching on a screen. Words or images, it’s a huge difference.
Wait what happened in the 80s?
And the Nazis did it in the 30s and 40s, and the Spanish burned Maya Codecies in the mid and late 1500s... We all know how that crap turned out too... Idiot woman.
"I'm not an advocate for censoring anything... BUT..."
Yeah, don't let the teenagers read this material in schools under the supervision of a teacher who can teach them about nuance or differing worldviews, or something. No, let them find that material in private on their phones, laptops, or computers. Smart!
Your sarcastic suggestion is also not smart.
@@fabiennemitchell2371Wow, what a brilliant counterargument!
@@fabiennemitchell2371 What level of information control would you advocate for, then? Even if there's no home internet access, someone can easily just go to the library to google whatever they want.
you know the BBC almost certainly chopped up what she said, why do you trust these people?
"vulgar" is such a sickly loose description, it would be abused by everyone that held power.
this lady seems like the type of broad that talks Christ but her family is secretly dysfunctional and broken. i can't imagine that being the kid with the Karen mom that banned every exciting and grown-up book in the library is going to win any points at school either.
nightmare woman, i feel sorry for the kids.
Note that we never got to hear from this woman's children in the video. Personally I love hearing from children of lunatics who grow up and disavow their parents entirely.
Banning books that contain salacious, violent, disturbing, etc. Imagery in the era of Internet and social media is completely pointless.
It's illegal to show porn to kids, but you think it's OK to describe it?
If your argument is that it's pointless banning something because there's another way to get it, why ban drugs? In fact why have any laws? I mean, you can't stop all criminality so why not condone it instead? Allow meth dealers on campus. I mean, they'll only get it if they want to anyway...
No it's not. Not everyone uses Internet or youtube.
@@therighteousrighthand
No some use Disney !
@@daledevernon56 Yes
@@therighteousrighthand If you have any kids, which I actually doubt. You must be the most naive parent in the world to think that your kids by the time they go to college, haven't seen, heard and experienced far worst things than what they're reading the books that you tried to ban.
I’m so glad that one mother is on a mission to ban things for other people, no matter who they are, based on her own personal tastes
What a hero 🤪
this just shows the kind of degenerate you are
I support children recieving information about the negative impact of vaccines and anti vax movement and other theories that are constantly termed as "misinformation" and banned from the social media and schools. Or is this "freedom of speech and expression" only for dumb leftist liberal ideas and sex books?
UA-cam censors people all the time.
@@benbow7
Nice try, but it’s not the same thing.
UA-cam is a private company with the power to set rules for the type of content users can post on THEIR platform.
Would UA-cam have the power to get certain books banned based on those rules, like this woman is trying to do? Nope
@@benbow7 For one, that's whataboutism. For another, pretty much any progressive content creator also has problems with UA-cam's content policies and algorithms. It's not as though I believe large corporations should hold that much power, either, though the chuds who complain they're not allowed to spread hate speech and calls to violence can fuck off to the chud sites.
I wonder how concerned she is about mass shootings in school in the US rather than trying to censor teen literature.
Or suicides. I'm sure Facebook fueld more suicides than people shot.
These types usually say that mass shootings are caused by removing prayer from schools or some religious nonsense like that. (Note, however, that the US, a very religious country, is basically the only one that has a problem with regular school shootings.) That's not even accurate, either - students are free to pray all they want, but teachers, as government employees, cannot lead or mandate it.
These types of people are ridiculous and so American
Books are written by authors who want to let other people know that they can relate to them. Some authors had Traumatic experiences and they share those experiences through fiction so that other young adults who have experienced those same experiences can relate and not feel alone. That's what writing is about, relating to others. If you can't relate to the book, then don't read it. It's that simple. Don't stop others.
“They don't gotta burn tha books they just remove 'em” - Rage Against the Machine, Bulls on Parade
I question who this mother works for. Follow the money and you'll have a better understanding.
Lazy cynicism is lazy. Not everyone is driven by money: news flash.
you're a nobody and your opinion doesn't matter.
@@smkxodnwbwkdns8369 maybe the real news flash is that some people are too dense, like this woman
"freedom of speech as long as it agrees with me"
Karen vibes
"Appropriate for children" is a lable that has changed so much over the last 100 years, it's a wonder anyone is still trying to define it. What makes one book appropriate and another inappropriate? It's totally arbitrary.
So you would see no difference between “Jack & Jill” and “Jack & Jill’s Sex Dungeon”?
@@walsingham-xxiii of course there is a difference. To use these as an example of how to define "appropriate for children" is an exaggerated simplification of the problem. It is obvious that any book explicitly sexual for the sake of sexual entertainment is not fit for children. The problem with "inappropriate" material is that many otherwise legitimate modern and classic novels contain scenes with various levels of sexual implication. Ever been to pantomime? Probably not your scene, but that is an example of a media that deals with child-friendly material, whilst inferring sexual behaviour.
@@Jojo.R.Chipelago "any book explicitly sexual for the sake of sexual entertainment is not fit for children"
Did you listen to the extracts that were read out?
And then for you to initially claim that categorising any content as unsuitable is wrong, and immediately then categorise something as unsuitable shows you are not discussing an objective stance, but a subjective "where do we draw the line" one.
@@Spinq I think it is up to the discretion* of the organisation, not a governing body. Yea, let's regulate the libraries! Shut up.
@@Jojo.R.Chipelago , I think you mean ‘discretion’.
Girl, worry about yourself. I’m in my 40s. There were explicit books in the school library even in the 90s.
Shoot I remember reading "Are You There God? It's me Margaret" before my freshman year in H.S. English class in the 70's. I think it mentioned when Margaret had her first period and it didn't faze me as I learned about it in Sex Ed.
Oh by the way I'm a heterosexual male.
Read Beloved and other ‘controversial’ books in middle and high school, from the school library. This is crazy that these are the same people that call liberals ‘snowflakes’!!!
Damn. The way you opened that comment up is quite badass, if not a little sassy.
School is about preparation for life. Trauma and questions of sexual identity should be better taught instead of simply censoring the books by removing them. It's another case of: 'we're just taking the 'bad'' content. The issue is some Christian crucador deciding what's bad, not a qualified child psychologist. It's a 'bad' lesson in life that lgbtq should wear a mark of shame just for existing, or that children should feel ashamed of think about sex.
Kids get up to way worse when they don't know what they are getting into, and you're naive if you think teens won't then make terrible decisions from a lack of education.
Children don’t belong to child psychologists, qualified or not. Children have parents or legal guardians and it is their role to decide what is and is not right for their children, not the state or a branch of it. The teacher who wanted a child of mine marching around the school for gay rights would get a very swift response and would be left in little doubt as to my opinion.
@@walsingham-xxiii I hope you don’t breed.
@@walsingham-xxiii ok I get you ...u have controll over your child ...nobody can ever separate you... youre a family...that's just true.
My child has a life-threatening illness, and has contact with child psychology....but in my experience they aren't really focused on gender, sexuality etc...they are just trying to help children negotiate the difficulties of living with complex illness...
Some people wish to push sexuality to the forefront...but this is a disservice to mental health professionals...not so interesting to them?
All this said...they still piss me off with their in a perfect world u could try this.. scenario...etc...
Err world not perfect...struggling to do all you advise...children fine ...parents mental health...going down drain....but..attended clinic
Is religion stepping in? Well I think we all decided that... priests probly not helping...
@@walsingham-xxiii But by that logic, if one parent decides that something is not appropriate for their child (books in this case), then they are allowed to make a decision for all other parents. Is that fair? Doesn't that take away other parents' right to decide what's appropriate for their own children?
I think this is the reason we have bodies specifically put in place to determine what subject matter is appropriate.
@@walsingham-xxiii , you make those bad decisions for your poor children, not for the other children in school.
I am so thankful that my mother had a wall of books and I was allowed to read any and all of it. There were so many times that I felt alone in some feeling or experience but then a character in a book would make me realize I wasn't. I was a chubby, half-Mexican, bisexual girl growing up in rural PA in the 80s. I can't imagine how I would feel about myself if I hadn't been able to lean on the books around me.
I fully support content that covers LGBT issues. Very much in support of content that some on the Christian right may think blasphemous (Fantasy novels etc).
However, explicit sex and violence in school libraries? Is that necessary? Is it helpful? Or does it normalise this behaviour in young people?
Reading of books help us in many ways
@@Spinq so, you want to coddle adults too? Why not?
I lived with a roommate who started having sex at 5 because she didn't know not to. Kids need to know about the world, all of it. Otherwise, they will be victims of it.
@@Spinq Sex is going to happen regardless. As for violence, I think exposure through books is the least likely to normalize. Kids see it online, in the news, on TV, in movies, in games, in music videos and in their own daily travels. I'm much more worried about the impact of violence in passive experiences than I am in books that, more often than not, offer it in a meaningful way.
No your roommate had sex at 5 because somebody was abusing her. Not that she didn't know she should not have sex!
The moment they’re out of school they’ll have access to books that are far worse. I think it’s important to have appropriate books, sure. But having ‘vulgar’ books that discuss sex, sexuality, race etc etc are important. They provide a space to learn about such issues (for example, reading a book with coercion in it is a hell of a lot safer than experiencing it). It also would help with emotional intelligence, students will be able to understand situations more coherently - possibly even being able to help friends in need, recognise red flags… I could go on.
And can increase empathy between different groups
most important thing in the world atm - for this lady to feel herself important.
If people keep this up than all public libraries will closed down.
If you don't like it, don't buy it.
Once we allow censorship in books, freedom of thought vanishes.
It's not about buying stuff, she's banning these books from public school libraries
Ok then do you you agree that we publish Mein Kampf?
If it's a private school it might be different, but why do parents send their school with government funding and expect their children to turn out exactly the way they want them to: We can't offer your tuition but trust me mommy knows what's best for you, just don't listen to what educated people tell you???
@@moaz441 we literally had a copy of it in my school library.
@@maryanchabursky9148 Yeah go to any public library in most of the European countries and I challenge you to find the book. Freedom of speech is a joke we use it when it’s comfortable for us but when it’s against us we throw it from the window.
The real challenge is getting kids to read, I say let this lady continue, nothing will motivate them more by telling them they can't.
Although seriously before they blamed computer games, they blamed books, this is going backwards into a dark past.
I have a high opinion of today's youth given how their reaction to nonsense like this is to start Banned Book Clubs.
@@embrikchloraker8186 yep, pity it's the baby boomers that control the vote and the media and politicians are controlled be even older people that don't like seeing the people have freedom, power or equality.
I still hope people see the light and listen to the young people that will inherit the mess of the previous generations.
Nice C&C avatar, by the way - fantastic series and a good argument for games as art.
@@embrikchloraker8186 yeah it was a classic game.
"I'm not into censorship when I want to express race hate but... books"
And round and round we go! Will we ever learn from our past! I guess if you live long enough you’ll see everything come full circle!
"They exist primarily to entertain."
Translation: I'm too stupid to get the point of these stories, and I'll be damned if my kids wind up more intelligent than me!
I find it notable that we never got to hear from this woman's children about what they think of their mother's crusade to restrict information from them.
Its so stupid - books basically rescued my life back when I was a child. For me books escaping the world for a brief moment or seeing it through a different light and allow you to explore difficult challenges, your greatest fears and secrets in a save environment. Its also never to graphical since everything plays in your own headspace.
Helicopter parents who "protect" their own and other children from reading about things they themselves would never understand are doing far more damage than they could ever imagine - because they lack imagination.
A pattern which we see repeatedly: Moral crusaders burned comics around the 50's to protect the corruption of children....
Just forgot: what these parents are really trying to do is keep control over their children. Shutting out outside influence, so that their children won't form an opinion on their on the parents disagree with. Like for instance sexuality or racism.
The news is worse. I hope her kids like it in a bubble.
Banning books is like banning the 1st amendment to the U.S. constitution. The first amendment isn't there to protect the books and writings we love, its also there to protect the books and writing we may hate. Freedom of the press and expression is a beautiful thing really. Even if it's things you dislike or disagree with.
Oh for fucks sake. Any book that people want removed just makes me want to read and share them with my teenagers.
You want to share hard core porn and violence with kids? Makes me question your suitability...
Children need to be allowed to be children for as long as possible. They have far too much exposure to far too much.
You don't just allow children do things there own way a lot of caution should be apply
@@jeffersondavis7166 Indeed
@@hmmmmm2634 yes
So who gets to set that standard? And how do we prevent it from being abused? What if someone you disagree with gets to determine what information people can and can't be exposed to?
This is exactly why they need to learn about it. This books are precisely useful because of this argument.
Beloved is a great book I read it in like 10th grade. Banning it is just ridiculous it is a great novel for young people.
Whenever I watch a video about banned books, I wonder if the person/people trying to ban them have actually read them. Chances are, 99% of them are nowhere near as bad as they make them out to be
This woman needs to be banned
These kids are doing worse than books. So foolish of her to hide life from young people. God forbid they read a book about how life really is
This woman is living in the Black and White version of Pleasantville. I don't know whether to scream into a pillow or feel sorry for her. STOP BANNING BOOKS
Book banning. An exercise in futility that has been around as long as books have. When will people learn.
I love history and was reading intimate accounts of the Holocaust when I was a child. Nothing is too "vulgar" too read, even for minors.
Holocaust survivors are very, very clear that they want history accurately reported. Only if you learn from the past can you avoid repeating it.
That’s true and a good point. Kids probably knew a lot about the Holocaust but not about sex in different eras.
These are the type of people whoes parents wonder why there kids turned out a mess.
I think if this woman found Wattpad she’d evaporate
“THEY… THEY WRITE IT, TOO? oh god. OH GOD.”
Bruh exactly she wouldn't last a day in wattpad
How many teens are molested or raped and don't come forward because they do not know that it is not their fault? More than this woman realizes. Children need to know about the dark side of the world or they will never be able to deal with a bully, a molester or a rapist.
I get that we should filter the content that makes it to our kids, so they aren't bombarded by smut and misinformation., but the schools are doing that. Aren't they? They're not letting anything in. The educational value of these books outweigh their vulgarity. Am I wrong? We are also talking about teenagers here, not small children. I'm confident every teenager in the world (unless they have been locked in a closet) has heard, seen and said much worse than anything you can find in these books. I guarantee it, actually, and it's probably on a daily basis. If they haven't, then at least they heard it first from an approved source. You're not protecting them from anything. If anything, you're making it worse by pretending it doesn't exist or making it taboo, which makes the obscenities cooler to use and harder to discuss with mentors.
is almost like kids know all the content that’s in these books
This will only force kids to learn about all the shit things in life after they have left school. I bet most adults have experienced this in the past but now want to recreate the trauma again.
Their working theory is, if you censor information from children, they won't ever stray from the Godly path.
Given the utter failure of abstinence-only sex ed, this is complete nonsense.
No one should be allowed to ban books. Ever.
Banned books are the most popular books for young people to read. Let other people make their own decisions rather than adding gas to a fire. Vulgar is an opinion word.
People who ban books dont read books. Where's the proof that children are choosing these books??!!
The BBFC ( British Board of Film Classification) symbols are a familiar reference most of us use when considering the suitability of a movie for our children . Why not for books?????
There's certainly a difference in mediums between text and imagery. Though from a pragmatic standpoint, I also oppose any such classifications on books, given how it can and will be abused in bad faith to keep information from people.
Censorship is bad no matter what way you look at. The book she read was most likely read out of context
In what context is that content suitable for kids? In what context is it acceptable in a school library?
Books should not be banned (unless the content is illegal, separate issue) but removing them from school libraries is a different issue entirely.
The kids should be the focus of the story and not the misguided mother. Censorship is never good. Often books are the only sex education accessible to some teenagers receive, especially when the live in a conservative country with conservative parents.
Honestly, those books are nothing compared to what Ellen Hopkins writes and they’re in high school shelves. They’re 15+. Teens need to be able to read about other sexual experiences. If you don’t want your teens reading them, take them away. But trust me, they’d want to read them even more.
So should we provide our kids with heroine because if we keep it away from them it will only make them want it more?
I am so happy to see the comments reflect and see what this is. It is censorship and they won't stop at schools! Enjoy the books you want and protect them from censorship by keeping them in your own personal libraries and sharing them with others! This is our fight!
Censorship should be banned.
BBC should report this as the horrific evil it is
This book I was reading once had a city get burnt down and his father took his two daughters to a cave to protect them. He then got drugged and raped by his two daughters. That book was crazy, but anyways church is church after all.
Difference betweem historical accounts and stating facts and going explict into details of an vile act especially for children. The Bible is a history book and recording crimes is a warning to what certain way of thinking can lead us to. These "children's" books however go into details as if watching a scene on tv. The child's defenses and characters are yet not fully matured and such explict discriptions as in those books are like pornography and may get them hooked and encourage immorality though not intentional. Wonder why so many young people are so immoral nowadays? I believe the woman has a valid point.
No book should ever be banned. If you dont like it dont read it! If you dont want your kid to read it then dont let them.
I'm assuming she doesn't know about the internet. That's the only way this story makes sense.
I would love to hear how this woman feels about kids (like kindergarteners) being taught about CRT, homosexuallity and transgender rights. That's the real issue in my opinion.
considering the books she tried to ban are 'LGBT' books it's quite obvious how she feels.
@@happyjonn9242 LGBT have a wierd obsession with children.
Do you even understand what CRT is? It's a high level legal theory taught in colleges about forms of oppression and disadvantages people of color face. It's simply being used as a right-wing snarl word to dogwhistle white supremacy and racism. Maybe if kids read more books they wouldn't end up buying Fox News talking points like you.
Good intentions but terrible idea. Banning books is only feasible through law and that would mean a decree saying certain content cannot be made. It sets a very dangerous basis for subsequent laws that have the possibility of threatening free expression. Furthermore, laws don't prevent people from breaking them; there will always be criminals and a black market for contraband and sometimes telling someone not to do something makes it all the more appealing, by the prospect of the thrill, to do exactly what is prohibited. Banning books is a foolish idea. By the way, it is reminiscent of terrible regimes that would burn books because of the power literature beholds and because of that, entire generations would lose information. Do not allow a precedent for defiling our freedoms👎
She might as well ban tv too while she’s at it…
I bet the woman's kids are reading the books behind her back
The well-intentioned book banners are the most dangerous. Because they are not well-intentioned but merely religiously inspired. They know little, but believe a lot. About themselves, mostly. They know that as long as they identify with their intentions rather than with their actions and the consequences their actions have, they will remain forever innocent in their own minds. The belief in one’s own innocence is of vital importance to those who believe in an afterlife preceded by a day of reckoning. It is an innocence fashioned entirely out of Ignorance encased in arrogance.
Why is this such big issue in the US? Religion I am afraid, sex is taboo and all that is not in line with religion. I am glad that these young students stand up to that.
I know three books which should be banned from schools. The Bible, the Quran and the Torah, along with their respective gods. Let them join Zeus and Ra in the graveyard of the gods.
Agreed! 💯
NOPE!!
@@ladyt4062 Religion belongs in the church, not in school..
Agreed. Let them take their place along side mythology and fiction.
The bible is the most boring book Ive ever read
She might as well ban the internet…
...i i like how she went to the kids ,and talked to them and see how they feel and want and don't want .after all it's their future,they should have a say so ,and that's how it's done
She didn’t go to the children. The journalist confronted her with their statements, and she chose to ignore them.
OK Karen.
What a surprise, a conservative Texan banning books about gender and race. These kids at the end have the right of it at least.
Although vulgar wrighting should be out of reach for some children i do feel that a section is still needed at libraries for all books. Remember the referance section. So high that only a teacher with step ladder could get to it. And those books didnt leave the library. You sign out everything with a student ID. Private desks where one can discreetly read materials in a supervised manor. And help with context from a librarian. Stop saying... I dont like it. Get rid of it. Start saying... lets put some restrictions and education on the things we dislike. Parents could have there children put on a list of students not allowed to acces the restricted books. Dont take it away from everyone just because of your opinion.
Life should make you feel uncomfortable. It should make you feel bad in different situations. Just because someone does not like the book they read does not mean others don't find progression in reading that same book. I would rather my children learn from a book than on the streets. In the books they can then find what they need to ask more about. Cencorship is never the answer. I remember when I heard they were trying to put out editions of Mark Twains books with the racial words changed. That turns a blind eye to how that era was. All the things in it that we now see as wrong. I want my children to ask me why the N word is being used in books like that. So I can show them other books and documentaries on why racism is bad and what people went thru to be seen as just human in many peoples eyes. Don't censor libraries. And as for the old dogma that sex ed should happen at home it just doesn't in most homes. Parents don't want to have the "Talk" with their kids. Almost all the kids I knew including myself just had to figure it out as we went because our parents didn't want to have the "Talk" with us. Talk with your kids and let them ask questions about what they want to know.
Remember being taught at school about book burning and censorship. Iwas when we were being tught about countries/governments such as Nazi Germany, Stalinist (and not Putinist) Russia, various Islamic countries.
Glad to see the USA is follwing in the footsteps of such totalitarian, oppressed, tyrannical, censored, dictatorships while still spouting to the rest of the world about freedom from political such things (means sarcastically for those who don't know the shorthand).
Thank you BBC for once again showing the rest of the FREE world how lucky we are to live in a FREE country where CENSORSHIP isn't a thing and the LEGAL SYSTEM and POLITICIANS work hard to ensure it stays that way. Wish our own mainstream media would share videos/news items such as these, they need to be made known to the wider world.
Despicable and shameful. Banning books is about ignorance and fear, not protection.
I hate people that ban books! Censorship keeps people from learning. I’m 13 and love to read. I am Christian and still think that a lot of books that do not go with my religion are still needed. I love romance books, I love books that I relate too. We need to learn about lgbtq people, we need to learn about different races, we need to learn about our body’s, we need to learn about the bad parts of the world. These are important. If we are gonna ban books we should ban the Bible. It is very inappropriate for children, but no you want to ban books that you don’t like. You don’t care about others, just yourself. The only person who should tell a child what they can and can’t read is there parents/ guardians. It sickness me to see all these books banned. My favorite book is a book that has been challenged in other states. I can’t Imagine my life if I never read The Outsiders. All these books are important. If there is someone who is trying to ban books around you, fight for your right to read and learn!
The Mary Whitehouse of America 🇺🇸
Good to see Beloved still making people uncomfortable. Good luck on this love. I remember when one lady in GA was trying to get HP out of the school libraries. I was a kid but I remember her disdain was wild to me.
I think it's quite interesting how she wants these "vulgar" books banned from the school library that talk about sexuality, gender, curiousity of their bodies, talking about sex--- teenaged issues that they will go through throughout their every day. Why not have a conversation with your kids at home about the content in the book instead of it being banned? Start that convo so your kids don't feel like they have to sneak around to find out for themselves.
I've read those books and my jaws dropped. Who in their right minds is putting this in schools when kids already have enough garbage to access on their social media and the wild wild web? Just cuz it's "out there" doesn't mean adults drop all discretion on decency and bring in porn magazines, snuff films, and get let it all hang. We are a generation that has zero education on principles, we lack discretion on the most basic things to maintain disciplines of our souls. Bring more goodness, beauty, light into schools, NOT depictions of sex foreplay and experimentation, boinking and playing around, getting laid, transitioning like going shopping for jeans. So harmful. Youth are already struggling and targeted by predators among their peers and older fiends. This is enabling crass behaviors without boundaries. Another surefire way to destroy public schools as parents leave for charters.
Facts❤
Sounds like Mary Karen needs a full time job at the Yarn Barn. If kids want particular information, they ain’t going to the frigging library anymore. Wake up.
Even in the most repressive, restrictive religious households, children can easily go to the public library and use a computer there, or simply ask a friend, if there's anything they want to know. The era where they can force their disinformation onto their children is over.
There's a war going on and we're all arguing about a Karin?
She lives in the 50s in her head. It's 2022 Mary
I find this woman to be vulgar, does that mean we get to ban her?
This woman is frightening. She is the same as book burners during the war. I am with the students - this is censorship.
as long as those same students understand it works both ways, next time they try to no platform someone they don't agree with.
Not wanting your kids taught about anal is the same as Nazi Germany? lol, liberalism really is a mental disorder.
Imagine if German schools banned books about the Holocaust.
Weird feeling, right?
Highschool is a place to learn and enhance your horizon, not become parrots for your parents suppressed ideals
What a jerk. She is trying to restrict the books for every child and she has no idea what other kids are up against.
The nazis banned and burned books aswell
She did not say bann them from everywhere in the nation or burn them.Just from easy access where young people are unsupervised.
@@mariannelopez6738 like the Internet doesn't have worse
@@letsdebate839 Internet usage can be overseen by the parents for underage children. These libraries are unsupervised access for the children.
@@mariannelopez6738 yeah overseen if you say so
@@letsdebate839 I speak of speak from positive experience. Some are grateful for strict upbringing. They get to know about maturer stuff later on and do not regret parental restrictions about vulgar stuff for they cab then absolutely do without it and want to do without it.
Let’s be honest, the kids aren’t going to read the books anyway so…
Erm, yes they will. Not all of them, but plenty of them, and that matters.
Did she read each book, hold literary discussion, create a report pinpointing why these should be banned?
The first time I read a "dirty" book was in HS, it was entertaining and I quickly forgot everything that happened. It had no impact on me.
Well at least she found herself a life mission xD
I bet her kids aren't telling her everything they do.
Has this women done a deep dive on her kids phone's? Both of them are teenagers. Watch any teen shows lately. Find another hill to concord.
No to vaccine passports and medical discrimination.
Sorry pal, take your vaccine misinformation and put it somewhere else