@@Morris_Minor It's not like video game developers actually listen to reddit or twitter users, but they unfortunately listen to annoying streamers that whine about everything, especially in Apex
I miss how ranged guardbreak was guranteed after a light parry, making you punish someone with this cutscene of an attack just for a tilted enemy to throw yet another light attack to be parried and put into the heave-bleed-bleed-bleed cutscene... just for them to do it agai-
Thank you for this wonderful time capsule. I really miss the old Shinobi, his range attacks was what made him so unique. For them to remove that just killed his entire personality. Fantastic editing, utterly hilarious, and great clips. Keep working man.
Dude shinobi is so good and still very unique with his flips. He still has his ranged attack. It just requires a kick now. So good for ledging. This rework made him better
I honestly wish I got to play Shinobi around the time I started because he seemed genuinely fun, but after the removal of his most unique ability he feels like he's got a lot less to stand out with. What used to be a character with the most unique ability, is now just another face in the assassins class of dodge and light spam.
@@boogie8586 only partially true. His range attack was hella fun to use, or added more to his play style. I was heartbroken when I saw it missing. From my experience, when using shinobi to his full potential, it’s his backflip, double dodge, and range attack that sets him apart. And they took away one of those key things.
@Trikky but his range attacks were a guaranteed parry to anyone familiar with him- they couldn't be fainted, very telegraphed, and only useful in team fights against uncoordinated players. His win % in duels increased after his change because now he can be extremely aggressive while maintaining the crazy movement. In my eyes, all the change did was force Shinobi players to truthfully engage in each confrontation, rather than backing away and twirling
Who remembers when his back flip went so much farther and was unguardbreakable? Was actually the only move in the game literally ever to be able to counter berserkers deflect. Smokeless dodge was pretty cool too. The infinite dodge was fun. His kick and zone also used to have super armor too at one point. He also had this property on his kick on his deflect that is a relic of the game where bashes would knock u down if u have revenge, well his kick in his delfect had this years after that mechanic in general got removed and if u got a delfect in revenge u were able to one shot everyone except lb at the time. U got a guaranteed ranged heavy into forward roll into sickle rain plus the initial deflect damage. Do remember he had very absurd damage at the time compared to everyone else, now add revenge and that big ass punish yeah he was straight wildin. He could also option select every attack because if u held heavy u could counter gb and still parry attacks. Then they pretty much nerfed all this and he was the version we all saw that was very very bad before his rework.
Old shinobi was really good hero. Yes he has the smallest HP pool, but his unique feature was staying out of reach of enemy hits. I really miss the time there we have a really unique heroes like shinobi
Most people I know try not to remember this relic of year 1 design, was like dueling a walking time capsule to the worst time in the games history. The most wonderful part of this video is it only showcases a fraction of the buggy ass game breaking things he was capable of with his ranged heavies.
One of the most fun things I liked to do with old Shinobi was an out of lock ranged heavy. It would zip you all the way to whoever you rolled to and then you could potentially get a free sickle rain if they tried to dodge. Hitting that shit felt so badass Edit: I learned this from Nova King. If you watch his old Shinobi videos you can probably find clips of him doing it
I miss old jorm not for the stam drain he was just unique now feels like a hybird then a heavy, i only played old shinobi in testing i never got to use him in any game mode
Back when for honor wasn't just unblockable attack spam and uninterruptable attack on almost every attack every char couldn't dodge spam the good ol days
@@birbins the character is no where near orochi 2 if your playing in comp your just a peel bot that got banned due to broken ganks and feats but now you can barely gank it’s just easier to pull off with shinboi you can’t throw finisher heavys in a team fight because your at risk of feeding 50 veng the character is still unique in there own regards just not what they used to be I played shino since he came out and plenty of new shino in case your wondering
@@deflectnya I just think the character is completely boring compared to what he has before the rework I didn’t give two shits about the ganks or revenge feed
I know this is a year ago but I felt this was a good shinobi. The only problem I had with him like this is sometimes he could be off screen and you’d suddenly be grabbed or smacked. His mobility back then with like double, triple, quadruple, even quintuple dodges made him a menace as you’ve shown
Issue with old shinobi is just that, the ranged attacks being so janky. Either Shinobi carries teamfights and ganks, or is completely useless. He had no offence, which basically meant that to a good player, he couldnt get a hit in, esp a problem in 1v1s. It's why defensive characters are getting reworks to be more offensive. Shinobi was a relic of the past that went for so long with very little being done aside from spot nerfs here and there. Sure, he doesnt have the ranged options any more, but he does have a much better offense and mixup game, and he still has some of the best mobility combined with that, not to mention Sickle Rain still being a great ganking tool, with better ways to confirm a hit (It being an unblockable/undodgeable mixup now). A thing to keep in mind with videos like this is that they showcase the character when they work, when things go good, but not so much the rest of it, where it's bad or boring.
Smoke bomb got nerfed because it was busted as hell lol. It made it borderline impossible to play the game and could allow you to capture an objective with a whole team of enemies on it, all in addition to being on a really low cooldown.
*Very* *fondly...* The thing I hate the most about the rework, is that you can still kill someone from off screen with unblockables or even just feats. The rework didn't change anything.
Infinite dashes with ranged heavy cancel… remember when they kept randomly nerfing him every couple patches while he was already the worst hero in the game? Those were days mannnnn
I played Shinobi to almost rep 60 before the rework and let me tell you, it felt longer to get those last 10 reps in afterwards than getting him to 60 b/c he hit different after that. I wish he would at the very least get his ranged heavies back. He's still my favorite in the game though
@@therookie6565 You and me both brother. They gave glad his toe stab OOS punish back so maybe there's a small chance we can see our ranged heavies again someday
I remember with old shinobi. You could go into revenge and had unlimited dashes while revenge was active. People literally had no idea how to counter me lol. Poor shinobi how low you have falllen😢. Tbh most not all of the early characters are a shell of their former selves
I knew a dude who ground out rep 70 in just a few months on Shinobi. He became an insanely good player learning how to maximize that moveset. He quit playing after the rework; smh hate how they ruined this character
Thank you shinobi for the time we had was perfect I would give my left eyebrow and my stash of toe nail clippings to play you 1 more time like you were before 💔
Seeing a lot of people are going on a nostalgia trip here in FH, y'know what I miss? Three way drip colours Like I loved the ability to pick colours for attack and defence specifically, I MADE all of those colours a core element of my loadout. People made a big deal about netural colours being in the game and yeah i get why some people didn't like being restricted on customisation.. But I'd think the FH team would have enough brains to go: "hmmmm some players might like this feature it's been in the game for years we should allow players to choose either netural or team colours." Not say: "uuugggh Uhhh huuur lets remove this because people complain and were the playerbase's bitch" I hope people agree with me here :) However in my experience drip has been second to players especially on console
Man, super slow heavy you could throw by accident easily that did low damage and made you fall over when it got parried and you couldn't feint it. Best character really, they had to nerf it
@@Mellewad if hes only "pretty good" but has only 1 or 2 main combos and is not unique or as fun to play whats the point. With old shenobi you made your own combos and tricks, there was complexity there that made it worth it.
Um new shinobi was banned from comp because of how strong he is, wdym he's weaker. Old shinobi was the worst character in the game with 0 unreactable mixups and his ranged heavys did 20 damage and were slow AND guaranteed a knockdown on parry.
I don’t get why they got rid of the ranged attacks. Like, he’s supposed to be annoying. That’s a core part of the character. It’s like getting rid of highlanders stance
Shinobi used to be so much better compared to the cancer we have now. I remember how Nova King used to be the peak performance Shinobi, the entire reason I subscribed to his channel.
Most of these people here in the comment section that say they “miss him” are the same ones that complained about him being annoying, and in which he should be nerf’d (at the time he still had ranged gb and heavy). Now look where y’all got him today :/ are you guys happy now?
Surprised a lot a people are trying to defend pre-rework like it wasn't the same hero and playerbase that sits in the back poking you at max range, killing you at ladders, and getting some extremely forgiving I-frames. The hero was more of a menace then Gryphon on release and Orochi's fresh rework
Erm old shinobis lack of I frame was a large talking point. He also died to three heavys. Had no unreactable mixups and his ranged heavys were slow only did 20 damage and guaranteed a knockdown on parry. His only saving grace was that he could murder ladder campers which definitely deserved it running away from a shinobi.
@@In-Nihilum His lack of I-frames doesn't matter when he had back dodges(wasn't nerfed), dashes that allow him to dodge backward. His attacks naturally out-ranged his opponents. A lot of heroes died in just 4 hits. Back then, even the tanky heroes would be killed in about 5-6 heavies. I'm pretty sure back then it was because of their defensive feat/perk that made them eat more damage. It was about a 30hp difference and between assassins, it was a 10hp difference. No one had unreactable mixups back then and his ranged heavies had no place in the game. Shinobi would play like a mosquito with malaria. Constantly sitting in the back and tapping your hp every time you tried to retaliate. You couldn't fight back since he was too far to target swap unless you unlocked and lock to him. He also had the option to GB you, letting him environmentally kill you or pin you for 30 damage + ally guaranteed 30 damage. He was the last hero to get his sickle pin nerfed. By nerfed I mean the pin could have you in place until the animation of the attack ended, just 1 ally could rack up 80 damage before you were freed. No one could stop Shinobi if he decided to run away or spam the unlocked leg swipe mixup. It was as annoying as Warlord/Raider charge + GB mixup. "His only saving grace was that he could murder ladder campers which definitely deserved it running away from a shinobi" There are feats + its damn near impossible to run from Shinobi. Even if he was OOS, he could chase you. Ladder campers? This is the hero that would camp ladders with his stealth feats and would kill anyone on ziplines.
@@midgard9057 actually right before shinobi's buff every hero except for shinobi not only had more health but did infact have unreactable mixups(except nuxia lol even some console players can react to the traps). Nobushi also got a rework right before which gave her an undogable heavy/kick mixup which classifys I guess as only the top few players could react to it. Shinobi was the only character left and while people said he was anoying almost everyone agreed he was also ass. He was unplayable in duels and was easy to punish. The only place he shined was feeding revenge off screen and knocking people off ladders. Yes he still died to 3 heavys post CCU he was the lowest hp character at 105 hp. Sorry you were somehow bad enough to not react to his slow ass ranged heavys and his neutral lights. Also his lack of I frame's ment a lot. It was very easy to light him out of his dodge spam and his flip and you could gb him out of his dodge attack unlike today. Funny enough you could usely heavy instead of gb and still catch him out of his shit dodge.
@@In-Nihilum I'll break this down on each of your points: "actually right before shinobi's buff every hero except for shinobi not only had more health "but did infact have unreactable mixups(except nuxia lol even some console players can react to the traps)." Do you know what an unreactable mixup is? Are trying to say unblockable? the 50/50s? The majority of the heroes didn't have unreactable moves. This is why people hated a select few heroes(ex. pre-nerf Gryphon neutral bash and kick). Unreactable = impossible to react to. bashes and follow-up bashes/sweeps/mixups were reactable and still are to this day. There are only a handful of unreactable heroes and they are mostly newly released heroes. "Nobushi also got a rework right before which gave her an undogable heavy/kick mixup which classifys I guess as only the top few players could react to it." So reactable... A regular mixup doesn't apply as unreactable if someone is able to react to their animation. Again, if you can see it and press the dodge button or realize you don't need to dodge, then that's reactable. If you see the bash in its first frame and press dodge but still get hit, it's unreactable. "The only place he shined was feeding revenge off screen and knocking people off ladders." For a loonnngg time, his pins guaranteed a kill... When Shugoki, Raider, Cent, Shaman, Valk, etc, had pins removed, Shinboi still had it. It was a guaranteed kill. if I remember correctly, you couldn't even use revenge which is why it was stupid. He would off-screen, snipe you on uneven ground so he would be safe even if you counter gb'd or parried. "Yes he still died to 3 heavys post CCU he was the lowest hp character at 105 hp." Post-CCU heavies were like 30-40 damage (50 or 55 for some with revenge). Let's do the math of 35 damage. 35x3 = 105. Shinobi dies. 35x4 = 140. Everyone except Shugoki and Lawbringer dies. Then the damage was heavily nerfed and everyone got a balancing of health pool. If the took more than that it was due to feats and perks. His hp was indeed the lowest even compared to assassins and some hybrids, they only had about 10 more hp (a light attack worth).
And now he's fun to play as, against, and is viable 😄 maybe stop complaining because you're low rep and didn't face people capable of counting his terrible kit
@@zacktheslayer6564 Viable nowadays just means has a easy boring mixup and is snoozefest to play against. At least he had some personality and originality, now hes just a orochi affera hybrid and is less fun than both.
@@zacktheslayer6564 Remove "fun to play against" and you're right. Almost every single hero they've reworked completely ruin the identity of the character in order to make them viable
@shro0mpy not almost every, but I can understand a few atleast. You can't have every character be extremely unique and still be viable in every situation
@zacktheslayer6564 Yes, but there becomes a point where they have to choose between fun and viable, and fun is the preferred option for everyone who doesn't hate themselves. Now besides Shinobi's double dodge, and i guess they're out of the ordinary deflect, they really aren't that interesting anymore, and you usually just end up using just about the same undodgable/kick mix-up the entire time.
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As much as Shinobi needed the buff, I did miss the long range attack. Was definitely the highlight of his moveset especially in ganks
what i miss most was when we had unique minion kill animations, his heavy was so good at clearing b lane...
yeah but then reddit complained so, prob not getting those back
Yeah but tryhard mfs whined about it lol.
@@Morris_Minor I think its more because Ubisoft doesn’t want to put the money and effort into making new onesz
@@devoteeofmediocrity821 thats exactly what it is
@@Morris_Minor It's not like video game developers actually listen to reddit or twitter users, but they unfortunately listen to annoying streamers that whine about everything, especially in Apex
The fact that the world’s softest kick from the tiniest man could throw you back further than a fully armored knight’s 30mph tackle still astounds me
And this was at a time where bashes kept you out of stamina
I really miss parrying and counter guardbreaking those ranged attacks. It was so satisfying, giving an annoying fly the swatter.
I miss how ranged guardbreak was guranteed after a light parry, making you punish someone with this cutscene of an attack just for a tilted enemy to throw yet another light attack to be parried and put into the heave-bleed-bleed-bleed cutscene... just for them to do it agai-
Back when shinobi’s chain sickles we’re still chain sickles
Thank you for this wonderful time capsule. I really miss the old Shinobi, his range attacks was what made him so unique. For them to remove that just killed his entire personality. Fantastic editing, utterly hilarious, and great clips. Keep working man.
They were very unhealthy and annoying for the game, they deserved to be removed
Dude shinobi is so good and still very unique with his flips. He still has his ranged attack. It just requires a kick now. So good for ledging. This rework made him better
Its not only shinobi a lot of heros were unique once
@@elysium6679 I can see why people think that but parrying a single ranged attack brought him to you and you could get plenty of damage on him
@@church6134 and countering the gb pull
we all miss this shinobi every now and then. will be missed
Even when I was losing with shinobi he was still fun to play, he will be missed.
Yeah shinobi still fun to play with shinobi you are never boring
I honestly wish I got to play Shinobi around the time I started because he seemed genuinely fun, but after the removal of his most unique ability he feels like he's got a lot less to stand out with. What used to be a character with the most unique ability, is now just another face in the assassins class of dodge and light spam.
Loser
shinobi is still fun bro just try them lmao
Shinobi still plays exactly the same lmao rep 28 shinobi speaking
@@boogie8586 only partially true. His range attack was hella fun to use, or added more to his play style. I was heartbroken when I saw it missing. From my experience, when using shinobi to his full potential, it’s his backflip, double dodge, and range attack that sets him apart. And they took away one of those key things.
@Trikky but his range attacks were a guaranteed parry to anyone familiar with him- they couldn't be fainted, very telegraphed, and only useful in team fights against uncoordinated players. His win % in duels increased after his change because now he can be extremely aggressive while maintaining the crazy movement. In my eyes, all the change did was force Shinobi players to truthfully engage in each confrontation, rather than backing away and twirling
Who remembers when his back flip went so much farther and was unguardbreakable? Was actually the only move in the game literally ever to be able to counter berserkers deflect. Smokeless dodge was pretty cool too. The infinite dodge was fun. His kick and zone also used to have super armor too at one point. He also had this property on his kick on his deflect that is a relic of the game where bashes would knock u down if u have revenge, well his kick in his delfect had this years after that mechanic in general got removed and if u got a delfect in revenge u were able to one shot everyone except lb at the time. U got a guaranteed ranged heavy into forward roll into sickle rain plus the initial deflect damage. Do remember he had very absurd damage at the time compared to everyone else, now add revenge and that big ass punish yeah he was straight wildin. He could also option select every attack because if u held heavy u could counter gb and still parry attacks. Then they pretty much nerfed all this and he was the version we all saw that was very very bad before his rework.
Old shinobi was really good hero. Yes he has the smallest HP pool, but his unique feature was staying out of reach of enemy hits. I really miss the time there we have a really unique heroes like shinobi
Most people I know try not to remember this relic of year 1 design, was like dueling a walking time capsule to the worst time in the games history. The most wonderful part of this video is it only showcases a fraction of the buggy ass game breaking things he was capable of with his ranged heavies.
Don’t forget super armor on almost everything
One of the most fun things I liked to do with old Shinobi was an out of lock ranged heavy. It would zip you all the way to whoever you rolled to and then you could potentially get a free sickle rain if they tried to dodge. Hitting that shit felt so badass
Edit: I learned this from Nova King. If you watch his old Shinobi videos you can probably find clips of him doing it
Restore shinobi to his former glory, I missed when he was unique
I miss old jorm not for the stam drain he was just unique now feels like a hybird then a heavy, i only played old shinobi in testing i never got to use him in any game mode
1:20 ain't no way the dude playing gyphon is complaining about the spam 💀
When Shinobi was actually fun to play as..
Losing was fun huh
I never got to play this version of shinobi but it looks like his mixups are more than every attack leading to sickle rain
sometimes i would rather have old shinobi then current shinobi
Me too
I miss this sooo much. I remember he had such good tec like quad-dashing which was so fun. Rip old shinobi 🙏
Back when for honor wasn't just unblockable attack spam and uninterruptable attack on almost every attack every char couldn't dodge spam the good ol days
Can't agree more
I remembered the old Shinobi is ultra fragile too tho. 3-4 heavy hits he's dead
back when he released raider could kill him off one oos throw with heavy + zone
3:29 Now that was some peak BS
As someone who wasn’t there for when Shinobi actually used their weapon, I am glad this video exists. Thank you
Rep 20 shinobi and he just ain’t the same but I still love him more than any character. He will always be #1 in my heart
Does anybody remember being able to use his double dodge move infinitely until you ran out of stamina
Damn throwback 🙁 I stopped playing like sophomore year of hs now I’m back on . Shit is really sad
Man I miss this old shino character just doesn’t feel the same anymore
I know they just turned him into orochi 2
@@birbins the character is no where near orochi 2 if your playing in comp your just a peel bot that got banned due to broken ganks and feats but now you can barely gank it’s just easier to pull off with shinboi you can’t throw finisher heavys in a team fight because your at risk of feeding 50 veng the character is still unique in there own regards just not what they used to be I played shino since he came out and plenty of new shino in case your wondering
@@deflectnya I just think the character is completely boring compared to what he has before the rework I didn’t give two shits about the ganks or revenge feed
@@birbins ok then go with that saying a character is like another when they aren’t even close is almost like spreading miss information
I know this is a year ago but I felt this was a good shinobi. The only problem I had with him like this is sometimes he could be off screen and you’d suddenly be grabbed or smacked. His mobility back then with like double, triple, quadruple, even quintuple dodges made him a menace as you’ve shown
Issue with old shinobi is just that, the ranged attacks being so janky. Either Shinobi carries teamfights and ganks, or is completely useless. He had no offence, which basically meant that to a good player, he couldnt get a hit in, esp a problem in 1v1s. It's why defensive characters are getting reworks to be more offensive. Shinobi was a relic of the past that went for so long with very little being done aside from spot nerfs here and there. Sure, he doesnt have the ranged options any more, but he does have a much better offense and mixup game, and he still has some of the best mobility combined with that, not to mention Sickle Rain still being a great ganking tool, with better ways to confirm a hit (It being an unblockable/undodgeable mixup now). A thing to keep in mind with videos like this is that they showcase the character when they work, when things go good, but not so much the rest of it, where it's bad or boring.
@@Professor_Cyn 👏 Didn’t ask nor care. I know he was jank and that’s what was fun
@@Dale_Nightking i bet you have a lot of friends
@@Gormunjandr You'll lose that bet.
@@Dale_Nightking Prime example of knowing you're in the wrong and not caring. People are crazy these days.
Coming back to this video
Really miss the infinite double dash.
Old Shinobi is 100x more fun to play and fight
I loved old Shinobi and they took him from me.
I almost forgot he played like that 😂
I'd say this, i enjoyed this version a lot... it's not as strong but it seemed to have a good skill celling
Agreed, most year 1 characters took skill now its like they want to cater to the shitters who complain and whine
@@lostkhan1728 exactly; messed the whole game up. People ain want to go thru trial and error like real vets
This choice in music is exquisite.
:' i miss old Shinobi.
I wish the ole wind up move would return. That's what made Shinobi so fun to use.
I guess the Smoke Bomb doesnt work as good as it use too either.
Smoke bomb got nerfed because it was busted as hell lol. It made it borderline impossible to play the game and could allow you to capture an objective with a whole team of enemies on it, all in addition to being on a really low cooldown.
Honestly wish they brought it back, it was the only reason why I mained shinobi.
as someone who reinstalled FH last nigth after 5 years, I really do miss old shinobi....
me watching on new shinobi now: look how they massacred my boy ....
This is nostalgia. Idc if he was annoying this brings back memories.
I'm more amazed when I noticed the mouse and keyboard. For honor is the only game on pc I have to play on the controller.
Nah shits fire
@@Mellewad facts I can't argue there
i didnt know what i had until i lost it
now i cry every time i see old shinobi
Man I miss being such a troll lol
Real ogs remember when he had hyper armour on roll and back flip
Super armor* and his kick and zone too
Thank god I got to enjoy old Shinobi before he got his rework,currently Rep 18 with him and still enjoy playing him,but I’ll always go for old shinobi
*Very* *fondly...*
The thing I hate the most about the rework, is that you can still kill someone from off screen with unblockables or even just feats. The rework didn't change anything.
I miss this so much ;(
i remember time when shinobi was die after 2 hard hits
I miss the ranged gb so much🥺🥺
I remember when you could do the glitch with ranged heavies between dodges and dodge infinitely
I miss him every day
This is the Shinobi I enjoyed playing with...
Nah… I remember the old one with multi double dodge and hyper-armor
Left the game and came back to find out they changed shinobi. I immediately left again
Rep 70 shinobi. All my reps were with his old kit. I love his unblockable heavy now but I do miss his old kit.
They really know how to kill a game
Man I miss this, been my main since him and centurion were the first DLC characters and now I don't touch him..
That old backflip before it was nerfed was so fun
@@Dottol- It was so great, you'd move back by like 4-5 dash distances and GBs would bounce off you.
Infinite dashes with ranged heavy cancel… remember when they kept randomly nerfing him every couple patches while he was already the worst hero in the game? Those were days mannnnn
I tell ya what, I don’t miss it. It was really funny to parry the ranged attacks and drag them instead though. Even if I was trash at it.
We all had that one moment when you miss timed an attack and he threw his ranged attack instead
I just miss being able to drift circles around my opponent :(
Back then when i had respect for shinobi Player
Old shinobi: gets parried by a Jorm and loses 50 health.
Jorm did that to everyone tho...
@@Mellewad Shinobi was the only idiotic character who fell on his ass every time he got range parried
@@Maximum_Watts shit i forgot haha
He's even stronger now, honestly
i miss old shinobi, i put 70 reps into the man, still remains my favorite character in For Honor, funne dash man my beloved
I played Shinobi to almost rep 60 before the rework and let me tell you, it felt longer to get those last 10 reps in afterwards than getting him to 60 b/c he hit different after that. I wish he would at the very least get his ranged heavies back. He's still my favorite in the game though
@@bradwaterbury9769 I loved the ranged heavies too man trust me, my favorite thing was the mixups you could do with the dashes and ranged heavies
@@therookie6565 You and me both brother. They gave glad his toe stab OOS punish back so maybe there's a small chance we can see our ranged heavies again someday
@@bradwaterbury9769 i have a shred of hope but if not i am content with current shinbob, he has his funny back-forward dash tech to keep me satiated
@@therookie6565 you're right. His back flip mix up is right where it needs to be so I can't argue there
I remember with old shinobi. You could go into revenge and had unlimited dashes while revenge was active. People literally had no idea how to counter me lol. Poor shinobi how low you have falllen😢. Tbh most not all of the early characters are a shell of their former selves
I’m playing in 2024 I’ve never touched old shinobi what have they done to him- he used to be goated!
1:56
THIS, THIS IS WHAT I MISS, PURE UNSTOPPABLE MOBILITY.
I knew a dude who ground out rep 70 in just a few months on Shinobi. He became an insanely good player learning how to maximize that moveset. He quit playing after the rework; smh hate how they ruined this character
I missing ranged guardbrakes ;<
Please ledge me daddy old shinobi
Thank you shinobi for the time we had was perfect I would give my left eyebrow and my stash of toe nail clippings to play you 1 more time like you were before 💔
i remember playing against shinobi once, but the only thing i remember was countering him and pulling him close after the parries
Old Shinobi was awesome
I both miss old Shinobi and don't.
I miss old for honor
Yeah even old school warden with that backwards shoulder bash LOL was actually next level
I miss the Shinobi bleed 🩸
You are truly playing the virgin simulator
It is what it is
Funny sword game
a time when shinobi was unique
there really needs to be a "year 1" edition of the game released lol
Omg he looks so unique also the chat is typical for honor
Best Shinobi ever man I mained his ass everyday and night I wish they'd bring it back
Seeing a lot of people are going on a nostalgia trip here in FH, y'know what I miss? Three way drip colours
Like I loved the ability to pick colours for attack and defence specifically, I MADE all of those colours a core element of my loadout.
People made a big deal about netural colours being in the game and yeah i get why some people didn't like being restricted on customisation..
But I'd think the FH team would have enough brains to go: "hmmmm some players might like this feature it's been in the game for years we should allow players to choose either netural or team colours."
Not say: "uuugggh Uhhh huuur lets remove this because people complain and were the playerbase's bitch"
I hope people agree with me here :)
However in my experience drip has been second to players especially on console
Drip is the endgame, shoulda kept the team slots so u can have team colors if you want, but i like the neutral colors
@@Mellewad yeah I don't mind them either I'm just saying I'd rather have the choice between the two not get one outright removed lol
Man, super slow heavy you could throw by accident easily that did low damage and made you fall over when it got parried and you couldn't feint it. Best character really, they had to nerf it
tbf new shinobi is pretty good, hes just not as fun and unique
@@Mellewad if hes only "pretty good" but has only 1 or 2 main combos and is not unique or as fun to play whats the point. With old shenobi you made your own combos and tricks, there was complexity there that made it worth it.
Um new shinobi was banned from comp because of how strong he is, wdym he's weaker.
Old shinobi was the worst character in the game with 0 unreactable mixups and his ranged heavys did 20 damage and were slow AND guaranteed a knockdown on parry.
@@In-Nihilum no no no he was definitely op. S tier for sure
@@Mellewad lol
I got so good at parries with those ranged attacks so I could squish those nats
I do kinda miss have the ranged attacks, but I am happy with what he is now to.
I loved the old Shinobu.
I don’t get why they got rid of the ranged attacks. Like, he’s supposed to be annoying. That’s a core part of the character. It’s like getting rid of highlanders stance
I mean ranged gb had no indicator and it held u down for huge amounts of damage, but the ranged heavies were fine
Apart from the external ranged attacks shinobi was cool. Although external ranged gb was funny
Somehow healthier for the game than his current iteration
Shinobi used to be so much better compared to the cancer we have now. I remember how Nova King used to be the peak performance Shinobi, the entire reason I subscribed to his channel.
Ngl I kinda miss the ranged attack, made you feel more like scorpion
Most of these people here in the comment section that say they “miss him” are the same ones that complained about him being annoying, and in which he should be nerf’d (at the time he still had ranged gb and heavy). Now look where y’all got him today :/ are you guys happy now?
skill cap was wayyy higher with old shino
Surprised a lot a people are trying to defend pre-rework like it wasn't the same hero and playerbase that sits in the back poking you at max range, killing you at ladders, and getting some extremely forgiving I-frames. The hero was more of a menace then Gryphon on release and Orochi's fresh rework
Erm old shinobis lack of I frame was a large talking point. He also died to three heavys. Had no unreactable mixups and his ranged heavys were slow only did 20 damage and guaranteed a knockdown on parry.
His only saving grace was that he could murder ladder campers which definitely deserved it running away from a shinobi.
@@In-Nihilum His lack of I-frames doesn't matter when he had back dodges(wasn't nerfed), dashes that allow him to dodge backward. His attacks naturally out-ranged his opponents.
A lot of heroes died in just 4 hits. Back then, even the tanky heroes would be killed in about 5-6 heavies. I'm pretty sure back then it was because of their defensive feat/perk that made them eat more damage. It was about a 30hp difference and between assassins, it was a 10hp difference.
No one had unreactable mixups back then and his ranged heavies had no place in the game. Shinobi would play like a mosquito with malaria. Constantly sitting in the back and tapping your hp every time you tried to retaliate. You couldn't fight back since he was too far to target swap unless you unlocked and lock to him. He also had the option to GB you, letting him environmentally kill you or pin you for 30 damage + ally guaranteed 30 damage. He was the last hero to get his sickle pin nerfed. By nerfed I mean the pin could have you in place until the animation of the attack ended, just 1 ally could rack up 80 damage before you were freed.
No one could stop Shinobi if he decided to run away or spam the unlocked leg swipe mixup. It was as annoying as Warlord/Raider charge + GB mixup.
"His only saving grace was that he could murder ladder campers which definitely deserved it running away from a shinobi"
There are feats + its damn near impossible to run from Shinobi. Even if he was OOS, he could chase you. Ladder campers? This is the hero that would camp ladders with his stealth feats and would kill anyone on ziplines.
@@In-Nihilum It was undisputed that Shinobi was an annoying hero that had no place in the game. Been said for years.
@@midgard9057 actually right before shinobi's buff every hero except for shinobi not only had more health but did infact have unreactable mixups(except nuxia lol even some console players can react to the traps). Nobushi also got a rework right before which gave her an undogable heavy/kick mixup which classifys I guess as only the top few players could react to it.
Shinobi was the only character left and while people said he was anoying almost everyone agreed he was also ass. He was unplayable in duels and was easy to punish. The only place he shined was feeding revenge off screen and knocking people off ladders. Yes he still died to 3 heavys post CCU he was the lowest hp character at 105 hp.
Sorry you were somehow bad enough to not react to his slow ass ranged heavys and his neutral lights.
Also his lack of I frame's ment a lot. It was very easy to light him out of his dodge spam and his flip and you could gb him out of his dodge attack unlike today.
Funny enough you could usely heavy instead of gb and still catch him out of his shit dodge.
@@In-Nihilum I'll break this down on each of your points:
"actually right before shinobi's buff every hero except for shinobi not only had more health "but did infact have unreactable mixups(except nuxia lol even some console players can react to the traps)."
Do you know what an unreactable mixup is? Are trying to say unblockable? the 50/50s? The majority of the heroes didn't have unreactable moves. This is why people hated a select few heroes(ex. pre-nerf Gryphon neutral bash and kick). Unreactable = impossible to react to. bashes and follow-up bashes/sweeps/mixups were reactable and still are to this day. There are only a handful of unreactable heroes and they are mostly newly released heroes.
"Nobushi also got a rework right before which gave her an undogable heavy/kick mixup which classifys I guess as only the top few players could react to it."
So reactable... A regular mixup doesn't apply as unreactable if someone is able to react to their animation. Again, if you can see it and press the dodge button or realize you don't need to dodge, then that's reactable. If you see the bash in its first frame and press dodge but still get hit, it's unreactable.
"The only place he shined was feeding revenge off screen and knocking people off ladders."
For a loonnngg time, his pins guaranteed a kill... When Shugoki, Raider, Cent, Shaman, Valk, etc, had pins removed, Shinboi still had it. It was a guaranteed kill. if I remember correctly, you couldn't even use revenge which is why it was stupid. He would off-screen, snipe you on uneven ground so he would be safe even if you counter gb'd or parried.
"Yes he still died to 3 heavys post CCU he was the lowest hp character at 105 hp."
Post-CCU heavies were like 30-40 damage (50 or 55 for some with revenge).
Let's do the math of 35 damage. 35x3 = 105. Shinobi dies. 35x4 = 140. Everyone except Shugoki and Lawbringer dies.
Then the damage was heavily nerfed and everyone got a balancing of health pool. If the took more than that it was due to feats and perks. His hp was indeed the lowest even compared to assassins and some hybrids, they only had about 10 more hp (a light attack worth).
This should be titled "remember when shinobi was a fun character?"
He was so much more fun to play as and against before the rework.
And now he's fun to play as, against, and is viable 😄 maybe stop complaining because you're low rep and didn't face people capable of counting his terrible kit
@@zacktheslayer6564 Viable nowadays just means has a easy boring mixup and is snoozefest to play against. At least he had some personality and originality, now hes just a orochi affera hybrid and is less fun than both.
@@zacktheslayer6564 Remove "fun to play against" and you're right. Almost every single hero they've reworked completely ruin the identity of the character in order to make them viable
@shro0mpy not almost every, but I can understand a few atleast. You can't have every character be extremely unique and still be viable in every situation
@zacktheslayer6564 Yes, but there becomes a point where they have to choose between fun and viable, and fun is the preferred option for everyone who doesn't hate themselves.
Now besides Shinobi's double dodge, and i guess they're out of the ordinary deflect, they really aren't that interesting anymore, and you usually just end up using just about the same undodgable/kick mix-up the entire time.
3:28 get over here...(Mortal Kombat fans know...)
Remember when he had like 2 bars of health
Miss old shinobi I don’t care how much I got ganked I miss it😢😢
All the people that played ranged shinobi were worse than the orochi players.
Not only was Shinobi great stamina management was a thing like a real fight