Response to BBC transphobia
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- Content warning: extreme transphobia, sexual assault, threats of violence (including sexual violence)
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Complaints page: www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints
Awful article: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...
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Text of my complaint:
An article published on the 26th of October titled 'We're being pressured into sex by some trans women' contains a factual error.
The author, Caroline Lowbridge, states that no 'high profile trans women who have either written or spoken about sex and relationships' wanted to speak to her in order to offer their views on the subject.
This is not true. The author interviewed Chelsea Poe for the article in September 2020. Chelsea Poe is a high-profile trans woman who has spoken extensively about sex and relationships in interviews in Slate, the Huffington Post, Cosmopolitan, Glamour, and other media outlets.
The BBC confirmed to PinkNews that the author interviewed Poe for the piece in an article published on November 4th: www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/11/04...
"A BBC source has confirmed to PinkNews that Lowbridge interviewed Poe, and said that her contribution was judged not to be relevant to the story."
Given that Lowbridge interviewed Poe and chose not to include her in the article, the claim that no trans women who have written or spoken about sex and relationships wanted to talk to her is factually incorrect.
This inaccuracy must be amended.
What really annoys me is that the BBC said that the article “met their standards” which to me isn’t a defense of the article, it’s a damnation of their standards.
Absolutely!
Breaking: BBC lowers bar for own publications even more.
The way things are looking, their standards go something like, "Hmm, is this transphobic enough?"
@@bitnewt They are claiming it went through a rigourous editorial process with lots of back and fort and review. Just imagine what the original draft must have looked like
@@ronanstephens1597 the original was the lily cade manifesto 😔
Did Shaun just slightly raise his voice? I've never seen such violent rage from our favorite talking skull.
The facade cracks. And what is underneath the tea and crumpets is the longbow bolt
as he should!
"Now, you might notice that I'm a little bit annoyed about this..."
If you want to hear Shaun get mad (and more scouse) watch his "CinemaSins" videos
8:58 I heard it too! I was so shocked that I had to look up from folding my laundry!
If a trans person passes its "deception" but if they don't then they're just a "man in a dress" or "woman in a suit". Can society PLEASE leave trans people alone? 👏
That ties into “we can always tell” and the toupee fallacy as well.
Really, can we stop being nosy about what's in anyone's pants in general? If you're moving into a sexual direction with a particular person, then yes, please go into depth about preferences, STI status, consent, etc, etc. But the average person doesn't need to know if you have a penis or a vagina. If you're not having sex or planning a family, it literally should make no difference to you
Maybe they want you to pass but wear a form of identification? A special hat? Maybe an emblem on your clothes, like ... for example a pink triangle, ... oh, that's already taken, I'm afraid!
Reminds me of a very infamous moment in Survivor when Jeff Varner outed Zeke Smith as trans and claimed it showed Zeke was capable of deception for not telling anyone.
Yeah, if you find me attractive and don't like that bc I am trans, that's not my fault. I am just existing
A transwoman: *Looks like a woman*
A very concerned citizen, who has no ulterior motives, we swear: "HOW DARE YOU!"
Looool trans women don’t look like women at all
@@richardtyson100 depends on the transwoman, hunter schafer is trans and looks like a women to me
@@richardtyson100 POV: You have never seen a trans woman
@@oldwomanfujoshi no matter how much you think a TW """passes""" as a woman, it doesn't erase the reality of the fact that they are male
@@tryingnotto L + ratio + you liked your own comment + yb better + trans rights
When Shaun said that reporter doesn’t care about women being assaulted I got confused that he would state something so hard to prove so definitively. And then he proved it. 👏👏👏
For a second I really thought Shaun actually dipped into personal opinion or hyperbole; but no it really just was that awful.
@@Mekose not gonna lie they had us in the first half
Same. I was like, "Well, that's a bold claim!" But there it is.
They don't give a flying fuck about helping people, they just want to milk the hateful social storms since positivity doesn't actually provide clicks.
I'm of the opinion that they do care about women being sexually assaulted, but only in as much as it can prove that men (or those they consider men) are rapists and not out of any concern for the wellbeing of those who have been sexually assaulted.
Honestly Lily Cade comes off like some transphobe caricature ContraPoints would make for a 10 second joke, only she got Pinocchio’d into a real person
I read that as Pinochet, I spent some time wondering how the chilean dictator is relevant before realizing you were trying to write "Pinocchio"
@@Eeo_Mii only other overlap I can think of is "really f'in horrible helicopter jokes".
@@Eeo_Mii I trusted you spell check
@@ctographerm3285 helicopter jokes are for amateurs. Lily Cade is a professional
@@Will_the_Rose source for spell check: i be italian.
I hate this discourse because my reality is... despite being very vocal of my lack of attraction to women, cis women are constantly hitting on me and I'm constantly rejecting them. There are plenty of cis women who would consider themselves exclusively attracted to women who've expressed attraction to me and tbh, I reject women so frequently that I honestly feel lowkey homophobic about it because I always have to politely say that I'm straight over and over and over again.
Like, whether transphobes like it or not, people are attracted to trans women and frankly, most of the trans women I know in relationships are in relationships with cis women. I'd go as far as to say that's probably an easier relationship than a trans woman and a cis man in this current environment.
I don't personally believe rejecting a trans person romantically or sexually is inherently transphobic, but it's very hard for me not to say that the way these people obsessively portray trans women as predatory because occasionally cis lesbians find themselves attracted to them is strange. It's also frustrating because i believe in having conversations about sexual assault, but these people transform existing as an assault and it's very frustrating. I'd be all about condemning a predator regardless of their gender, but that's not the point. These people would like to argue outright that all trans women are inherently predators and they could give a fuck about actual survivors of assault, as evident by the fact that they cited a woman who assaulted women.
Agreed. Largely, I don't think TERFS or these "LGB drop the T" types actually interact with people - in general - and especially not with trans people.
The majority of trans people I know, both from my regional country town and now, living in Melbourne, are dating other transgender or gender diverse people. When they do date cis people, it is, usually, cis women. I've met plenty of cis bi women and cis lesbians who have happily and regularly interacted with trans women and other TMA people in sexual/dating contexts with NO problems whatsoever. This is not an alien concept. They portray this idea that trans women aren't ever desired or liked by cis people ever, certainly not by cis women, which is just fundamentally incorrect and completely separate from the experiences in real life spaces.
What I've also noticed is a large number of them tend to go for this very strange route of seeing particular behaviours as being innate or "biologically" written, throwing out any and all proper feminist and gender sociological theory that talks about socialisation and how society programs our children with regards to gender and gender roles. Instead, they take the approach that women are innately good, they are innately kind and empathetic and almost biologically predisposed to being conscientious if other people. Men, in their eyes, are innately violent and cruel and biologically predisposed to assault and rape. Men can only ever be abusive and dominant, and women can only ever be victimised and act as nurturers.
Clearly, the above is absolutely insane and not in any way supported by material reality, nor is it supported by any kind of feminist literature. But it's such a common line of thought in these spaces and from these people. They recycle conservative, white nationalist ideas of gender and how men and women "work" while touting feminism and claiming to "protect" women.
weird flex but okay
@@remulous it's great that your own friends aren't pressuring rapists. i would be glad to link you to post after post of trans women talking about how cis women need to allow them into their dating pool, otherwise it's bigotry
@@tryingnotto How about you cut the taunting and just post the links?
@@remulous Not nearly enough people point out just how sexist TERF ideology is. We rightly condemn gender essentialism from other right-wingers, and we need to point out how absurd that same essentialism is from TERFs. In particular, I am thoroughly disgusted by their denial that women can be capable of predatory behavior.
8:29 - "Trans people's contributions are not relevant to stories about trans people."
Really sums the British media's attitude to trans issues at the moment.
@@FreeAssange are you saying all trans people are habitual liars? This seems verry improbable to me.
Throughout history there were sociaties where pretending to be other genders was considered natural and som cultures even had gods specifically for people we would call trans today.
As such modern trans people are not cis people lieing for fame or brainwashed by a comercial or something. These people have always existed and saying all of them are faking it requires completely ignoring all history.
Also they are not hurting anyone by existing, so you cant argue they are inhumane by definition.
As such, i see no reason we should not examine all points of view when discussing this issue.
@@davitdavid7165 Ignore this troll. They're finding every way and bending over backwards, beneath every comments to be transphobic. A bit sad honestly, albeit insufferable. So just let them destroy themself to their hearts content.
Makes me ashamed to be British
BBC Tomorrow: "We are being pressured into amending articles by some floating skulls"
I confess I Lol’d at that one!
Daily Mail tomorrow: "LOONY liberals try to CANCEL free speech by COMPLAINING to the BBC"
More inaccuracies from the BBC, the skull is clearly sitting on the ground not floating! /s
I'm proud to have the honor of being "like" no. 420 of this comment and will now celebrate appropriately
"We are being pressured to Ignore Brexshit by some Sentient Hams.".
"Note the lack of apology for platforming a rapist who writes serial killer manifestos." A perfect sentence.
Tbh that sounds like something you'd hear in one of the weirder missions of GTA V, or Fallout NV with wild wild wasteland turned on, not real life. Yet here we are.
To be fair, Shaun never apologized for defending a rapist so he has no room to complain.
@@chillichan When did Shaun defend a rapist? Links appreciated
@@chillichan When did this happen?
@@chillichan explaining that someone used a rapist as a source for their transphobic article is very, very different from defending them. Did you watch the video?
Of the 80 women questioned in the article, 45 of them were JK Rowling in various disguises.
To be honest, Shaun is argueing in good faith but I'm not and I'm pretty sure many if not most of these people made their answers up, some probably not even being woman.
@@shizachan8421 Oh right, so it's the lesbians that lie? what happened to 'believe her' and #metoo ? Stories like these are all over the net.
@@intrepidtomato First, the whole black pill rhetoric is actually true. There is a class of men you belong to who just inheritly cause a sense of disgust in women and you will never ever find a girlfriend. There is no hope and there is no level of self-improvement you could commit yourself towards that would help your economic, social or romantic living situation.
And I'm pretty sure that believe her and #metoo weren't some fringe online surveys on radical transphobe websites, so your comment is an example of false equivalence. Which is no wonder, you are an incel after all, you are just born to be less intelligent than the majority population.
what is with yalls obsession with jkr omfg
If 80 trans people complained about their being mistreated by lesbians you would take them seriously. Why is that?
So for those who may missed it, a "gold star lesbian" is a lesbian who has only slept with women. Which is not only invalidating for lesbians who needed time to discover themselves or just wanted to explore their sexuality, is also awful in regards to bi and pan (and other mspec) people. It does have the advantage that if I see someone using it for themselves I already now they're not someone I want to interact with.
It's also pretty horrible for survivors of sexual assault who might not meet the "gold star" definition anymore because of it. Makes it seem like they're devalued by it.
@@baguettegott3409 Oh yes forgot about that one, honestly this "gold star" stuff is just an extension of women being defined by what men they sleep with, it's disgusting.
I've heard it in even grosser terms--that a gold star lesbian is someone who has only slept with women *who themselves have never slept with men*. As in, any woman who has slept with a man has forever been sullied and made "second rate" and unacceptable for the Truest Lesbians.
Which is the sort of misogynistic madonna/whore bullshit we (rightly) give *men* shit for.
Gold star lesbian is a term used by some lesbians to degrade other lesbians. I have no idea why people think it has anything to do with bi people, I’m not a lesbian so I can’t be a “gold star lesbian” so the withholding of that title is irrelevant to me. I find it really weird that this obvious and specific way of being lesbophobic is continually talked about as though it’s primarily effecting bi/pan people. Biphobia exists but I don’t see it with this tbh.
@@smallspidersad78 It's because of the whole "women are tainted when they sleep with men" these people that take pride in being gold star lesbians very often don't want to date mspec people because "they've been with men, and might again in the future"
Trans women: *exists*
British media: “I took that personally”
Now that's a format!
@ip2p p I mean you’d probably take it personally if I called you a r@pist
@ip2p p Trainsgender? You're way off track.
Well, well, well…
@@hughmac13 I’ve been expecting you...
Worth noting that this article was also translated for a Brazilian audience, and I believe that was the only international version the BBC made. Brazil is the country with the highest murder rate for trans women in the world.
Yes, this story just keeps getting worse and worse.
I'm completely surprised... not.
Oh, god...
It's basically a call to action then. Vile. Just vile.
I'm extremely curious about who was responsible for this decision
I remember when I first came out as trans, and set up a dating profile on an LGBTQ+ friendly dating site; I'd occasionally get a message from lesbian women expressing interest - then (presumably after she'd actually read the profile) she'd angrily message again, blaming me for "tricking" her. Mind you, the first sentence in my profile was literally: "I am a transgender woman."
Lol I guess stupid people exist in all groups
Today, on stuff that didn't happen
@@CeliaTyree It didn't? Huh. Guess I just imagined the whole thing. Thanks for letting me know, person-who-wasn't-there.
So if a lesbian has negative experiences with trans people, she is a liar & a bigot, but when you express negative experiences with lesbians you're a victim telling the truth? Sounds like a double-standard.
@@FreeAssange I am confused by this nonsensical response.
The "deception" thing has the same energy as guys who say women who wears makeup are fooling them.
I'd say it's closer to those men who justify sexual assault by saying "she was leading me on"
"Being approached by 'transwomen' they assumed to be women" Jesus christ just say "we're transphobic" before your whistle gets so loud my dog's head explodes
So if a flat-earther approaches me and I refer to him as "the guy that assumes the earth is flat" instead of a "flat-earther", does that make me "flat-earthphobic" or just expressing my belief while simultaneously expressing theirs?
Well, I believe to equal a flat-earther with a trans person is ... kinda transphobic in on itself
@@kincaid9134 If they assume the transwoman to be a ciswoman, then it doesn't matter as addressing them the same as a ciswoman would cause no issue or scene. How is that a hard concept to grasp?
@@kincaid9134 If you were to swap Trans women and flat earthers here, what you would actually be saying "being approached by a flat earther you had assumed to be a normal person." The transphobia is not "identifying Trans people as Trans people" but rather saying that Trans women are not women, which is the implication of "Trans women they assumed to be women."
@@BritneyLaZonga my example isn't me equating anything. It's an example to show the use of words. If a person uses the analogy of water to express pressure as voltage, he's not equating water to electricity...this is my point. People use words like transphobic when really you don't know how to use the words you're using. It's very confusing.
Not fully related to the topic at hand, but just for background reference, Lily Cade also said in her murder manifesto that George Floyd was killed for, quote, "being an annoying piece of sh*t," just for some context on what kind of person we're dealing with here.
I’m not surprised, seeing how TERFs tend to rub elbows with white supremacists and actual misogynists...
bigots 🤝 bigots
being bigoted
I've said this before, TERFery is fascism, for her.
@@blede8649 Fascism for people who pretend to have read The Handmaid's Tale instead of pretending to have read The Turner Diaries.
It's the fragile White woman fascist.. grr
I'm a trans woman. In 2017 and 2018 I was in a toxic relationship with a cis woman who frequently forced me to have sexual intercourse with her against my will. It left me with severe suicidal tendencies that I'm still dealing with until this day. Based on my individual experience and BBC's methodology I'd like to ask them to publish an article about the systematic rape danger that cis women pose for trans women.
@Stripes get a job dude
@Stripes I'm pretty sure the "get a job" comment is cause you've clearly spent ages defending this article for no apparent reason than to be a hateful twit.
That could actually be a very interesting article, a lot of people (sometimes subconsciously) often use their heightened social status and wealth in order to take/do things to others that they wouldn't otherwise, considering the marginalized status of trans people everywhere one could probably find hundreds if not thousands of examples of similar experiences that were previously undocumented
Granted I'll probably be dead before sometimes close to this is even pitched as an idea for an article because it frames trans people in a non-antagonistic light but hey a girl can dream
Not to be invalidating or anything but about "the systemic rape danger cis women post to trans women"… is that really a thing. Is this actually a systemic issue that happens a lot?
@@BooksRebound I believe that was a wry joke about BBC's misleading writing. But looking at it logically, cis women are politically more powerful than trans women, so in the sense of power dynamics, one should be careful. For instance, trans people are more likely to have weaker boundaries due to low self esteem and desire for validation, and are much more likely to be financially unstable, which can lead to relying on an abuser for housing, and trans people are morely likely to be traumatized, suicidal, or have multiple mental health disorders due to prolonged stress, dysphoria, and familial/social rejection. I don't think it's anywhere near a systemic r*pe problem, but trans people are, on average, simply vulnerable.
“A respondent recalled being approached by an androgynous looking person for a date. After sex the person revealed being a post-op trans woman. Shocked, the respondent remained in the relationship until she realised that she was in a relationship with a man who acted like a man” - one of the more bizarre stories in that ‘report’. Is the person just outing themselves as sexist because they dumped their partner for ‘acting like a man’ (whatever that means)? What are people meant to be taking away from it?
@@FreeAssange She’s a woman.
@@FreeAssange were you there and what does acting like a man entail?
It's such a strange story. I have preferences which means I would rather not date trans men. However if I met one who had actually working pen*s my reaction would be "huh, science advanced more than I knew"
It wouldn't throw me into existential angst or something. It wouldn't be traumatic neither. Our relationship might not work out but hey. Life is too short to worry about this kind of things
I still think it's good to be open about being trans to avoid this kind of situations (or worse)
@@FreeAssange not sure how you infer that from what I said but ok
@@FreeAssange So girls who date butch lesbians who tend to behave and dress in ways considered conventionally masculine are bisexual?
You didn't even mention that in their update they specifically avoided calling Lily Cade by name, so people who didn't see article before, won't even know who they're talking about, to further avoid any more problems.
That’s an excellent point.
They hid her identity, called her crimes merely “inappropriate behaviour”… their response was to minimise harm to the article and to hide their mistake as much as possible!
That's true, but then again, keeping her name up might still five her a platform and lead to more people finding her deranged "manifesto". I think it's better that they removed her name, but the euphemistic wording is just shameful
@@baynemacgregor8441 You see this a lot, people scoffing about their writing being "censored" for just "Having the wrong opinion", but will stay as vague as possible on what they actually said because they know it's indefensible.
Not only that, but they made the wording vague enough that a reader with no context might conclude that a trans woman was featured and named in the article, then made "inappropriate comments" and had her contribution removed. And I don't think that's accidental.
@@lizardperson780 Good point. Double edged sword
As a cis man, in high school I had long hair and sometimes people would misgender me. I suppose that means I violated all those people by having long hair, and I was a serial sexual assaulter unwittingly. To all of those poor victims, I have to say I am deeply sorry.
dont worry about it. for some reason highschool students are safe from being accused of this
@@krybling I've seen transgender high school students being framed as dangerous perverts for trying to use the bathroom or play sports.
@@FreeAssange where did you hear that?
@@TheLithp honestly i dont want to deal with that shit so as of now i just use the nurses bathroom
@@FreeAssange It is, in enough quantities. Google up "David Reimer". Got misgendered throughout his entire childhood, ended up with severe mental issues that contributed to his eventual suicide.
‘We’re being pressured into playing the hit 2010 RPG Fallout New Vegas by many trans women’
Source: One time I saw an online article where a trans woman talked about liking the game
As a trans woman who has been sexually assaulted by men. The comparison with rape is just stomach wrecking.
“We’re being pressured into hearing about spinny-skirts by some trans women”
we're being pressured into sharing our animal crossing islands' turnip prices by some trans women
the heresy
*wheee*!
“We’re being pressured into seeing picrew avatars by trans women”
"We're being pressured into playing Celeste by some trans women"
Glad to see this dumpster fire of an article dissected so thoroughly, and equally glad for your call to action. Here's what I wrote:
"Chelsea Poe, a high-profile media figure and trans woman, was interviewed for this article; a fact which was stated by the BBC in an article on PinkNews. This is in express contradiction with the statement made by author Caroline Lowbridge in the BBC's article, where she says "[no high-profile trans women] wanted to speak to me but my editors and I felt it was important to reflect some of their views in this piece". This is blatantly false.
Chelsea Poe has also stated that she had warned Caroline Lowbridge about Lily Cade, a contributor to this article, who has since been removed from the article following her blog posts calling for the murder and sexual assault of trans women. This is alongside Lily Cade's prior history of sexually assaulting women, which she has admitted to doing long before this article was published.
Given the harm that has been directly caused by platforming and legitimizing Lily Cade on BBC, alongside the flagrant disregard for the author or the editors to do their due diligence in checking the backgrounds of their contributors, the article should be amended if not outright removed.
The article should, at the bare minimum, be changed to explicitly state that Chelsea Poe had been interviewed, and that Caroline Lowbridge and the BBC at large decided to omit her interview while lying about Chelsea Poe's involvement.
If you care about journalistic integrity, honesty, and the safety of sexual assault survivors as much as your editing team currently pretends they do, the article should be removed entirely and followed up with a public apology for allowing such blatant hate and bigotry to have a platform through one of the largest news publications in the world."
UPDATE: Entirely unsurprised, but they got back to me and said they don't care. It's the same boilerplate message that everyone else has gotten. Give it a bit for the hateclicks to die down and they'll probably issue a very quiet retraction. Until then, the official stance from the BBC is "we did nothing wrong and don't plan on changing anything".
When the Luke is based 😳
Based frogge man
Oh hey Luke! Big fan of your work (the meme/shitpost voiceovers AND all the fundraising you do).
Holy shit it's the Frogge guy!
And he's based too?
Nice.
Hi Luke, love your voice impressions and based and redpilled takes, keep it up!
What i love about the image of the skull you used throughout the video, is that it looked like you just poked your head out of the ground to tell us this story
well hello there
Need me a skull that will randomly pop out from the ground next to autumn leaves to throughly debunk transphobic articles by the BBC
Gotta love how my response from the BBC basically amounted to "The article wasn't lying because we don't consider Chelsea Poe to be high profile". Fucking unbelievable.
we're being pressured into dungeons and dragons by some trans women
That's an article I want to read.
Lucky you.
And this is a problem how?
@@neuralmute You need to roll the dice to find out.
The trans agenda revealed.
As a cis guy who’s been groomed by a cis black women, (which yes, was traumatising, I still have panic attacks over it to this day), I still don’t discriminate against black people or women. As opposed to terfs, I’m mature enough to understand that an isolated incident does not mean I get a free pass on being a bigot.
I honestly think transphobia is just used by these people as a smokescreen for their own history of sexual assault so I don't think it even comes down to them having their consent violated by cis men half the time. TERFs associating with sexual predators and misogynists has become common enough I really think this has become the 21st century version of the priests that diddles kids railing against the gays so no one suspects him. I even see it in this article, right down to them literally using a cis lesbian sexual predator as one of their sources and her using that platform to rail against transwomen.
@@commanderboo8879 same as qanon
I've been assaulted by a black man (who had just been let out of jail) for refusing to do more than 25% of his job on top of my own. Not close to as traumatic, but _exceedingly_ in line with racist steriotypes.
Also had to stay at a friend's house because I didn't want to get hit with a stray bullet while a SWAT team had an overnight standoff with a black neighbor.
Somehow, didn't become racist or pro-prison industrial complex.
In fact, the only thing that changed was my oppinion of cops dropped even lower seeing their incompetence and the excessive collateral property damage they caused on my street.
All this while growing up in an _extremely_ white neighborhood with almost no exposure to non-white people during my childhood beyond a couple very light-skinned mixed race friends and a few Asian kids.
There's never a real excuse for bigotry.
dammn, boy
too bad you and i couldn't swap places innit 😎
@@Pllayer064 ...ew...can you just...like...not?
Honesty, it still blows my mind how openly and brazenly transphobic UK media is. It's so weird to see the USA actually (somewhat) ahead of the curb on this, considering how regressive we are in so many other aspects.
@Stripes who knew the bbc was the entirety of uk media
@@delize9782 The rest of the UK media is even more conservative, do you think it gets better? Lol
I didn’t watch or read the news anyways cause so much of it is depressing, now I’m also going to not do it to avoid supporting these outlets
"I don't like that this is happening in my country." I feel you, man. As an American trans woman, this is my perspective on the whole transphobia in British media situation. When I think of European countries like Britain, I think of them being overall far more progressive than my own country. At least they HAVE a left wing at all. Maybe not perfect, but a huge step up from the US where left wing viewpoints aren't represented at all in the media or the government. And that's why this really upsets me because I already know my own country is completely doomed, and my hope comes from the knowledge that my country is just exceptionally bad, and that most other first world countries at least know better, but when I see shit like this it crushes that hope.
If I may suggest, instead of relying on media which is all just noise and childish nonsense, seek other people's support. It's the local places that matter the most.
Admittedly, I do kind of struggle with the idea of transgender . However, regardless of how you identify, I wish you good health and support as long as you do the same with other people. Take care.
The UK is more progressive, hence why it doesn't capitulate as easily to male entitlement & gives lesbians a voice.
@Knight Chime Lmao
@@FreeAssange what are you Talking about?
Neither the video nor the comment are about males in any shape or form
@@dwagon6706 there is a huge amount of either terfs or people pretending to be terfs in the comments
You just know that the writer desperately wanted the title "we're being pressured into sex by trans women" but someone probably told them to tone it back a little bit so they had to add "some" to it, in a weasel-y attempt to make an openly transphobic article sound less transphobic
It's alright. just put it in quotes and it makes it alright. Even if the source for the quotation is some random Twitter account. Or you, as you were writing it.
"And some, I'm sure, are good people."
It’s like saying allegedly to cover your ass when saying what you really think.
Complaint:
"Have you lost your minds? " *Some* trans people"? "We're being pressured into sex by *some* trans people" is the title of an article that includes an interview with a TERF who has been accused of sexual assault by multiple victims? I suspect women are being pressured into sex by *some* astronauts, by *some* Baltic hairdressers. Who sets your editorial standards, Joseph Goebbels?"
"Women are being pressured into sex... by a ridiculous amount of Republicans" would be a better article.
Thanks for this. I needed a good chuckle after reading that article.
I cant believe how normalised transphobia seems to be, even my own mother is transphobic. The rhetoric is the exact same as that faced by the gay community in the past. Its shocking.
And by transphobia you mean just living in reality and knowing what a man/boy/male is and what a woman/girl/female is.
@@soldierboy8796ratio
@@soldierboy8796 "Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early
age
" Study by European Society of Endocrinology
ratio
@@soldierboy8796acting like those groups of words are three synonims only decredits the already poor argument you had.
But you see this time the bigotry is justified. All that other bigotry was bad but we are definitely found the correct bigotry this time
I love how they added "some" in the title of the article to be like "well, obviously we aren't discriminating against trans women, we said "some", you're the one generalising.", when the context of the article as well as the substance and the "resources" scream loudly about their actual intentions.
'We're being pressured into *Talking about New Vegas with some trans women'
Couldn’t believe she’d just walk up to me in a bar and start talking about the Yes Man ending like that!
And what’s worse, they all chose Caesar’s legion
God, I wish.
@@Will_the_Rose I swear you and just say no to pay to win are the Justin Y and ray mak of bread tube lmao
HOLY SHIT
this was my complaint, i would reccomend ticking “response needed”.
“Chelsea Poe was interviewed for this article, but her contributions included informing the interviewer that another source (that wasn’t excluded until complaints were lodged against Cade) has a criminal record and personal history of sexual assault. Her entire interview was lied about, saying no “prominent” trans women wanted to be part of the article which is plainly false. Her contributions should not have been ignored or excluded; it embarrasses the institution of the BBC to include a rapist in an article about so called instances of pressuring cis women into sex, but not to fairly include the discussion with an actual trans woman that might have negated some of that bigotry.
It would be rightly called out if the article was about a single individual like Cade being generalised as one of “some” lesbians pressuring women into sex, but because the BBC has a track record of transmisogyny and transphobia, it was shamefully allowed to be published past the censors by way of using “some” as a qualifier. It implies that trans women on the whole can be dangerous based on two actual named instances in the article. This is outright stereotyping and prejudice, which should have never been published in any news website, let alone an apparently unbiased one like the BBC.
This article should be removed and adequately apologised for, the writer should have their position revoked or at least reviewed, and the many problems within it should never be repeated, such as lying by omission of an interviewee’s past, blatantly lying about a trans woman’s involvement, bias in the headline and throughout, poor fact-checking and quality, and other mistakes.”
What is transmisogyny?
@@krunkle5136 trans misogyny. Misogyny against trans woman.
@@iciajay6891 In particular the weird intersection where we're schrodinger's woman depending on what's more convenient for our discrimination.
@@krunkle5136 good on you for asking
"There has been an issue submitting your complaint. Please try again later."
Suuuure...
It breaks my heart to see lesbians and trans women being pitted against each other like this. These lesbians are giving us a bad reputation for all being transphobes. They can’t justify their transphobia by associating it with lesbianism. Lesbianism is beautiful and lovely and has nothing to do with transphobia
How much of a lesbian are you if you’re literally attracted to men
@@richardtyson100 are you okay Richard? You seem angry.
🏳️🌈❤🏳️⚧️
@@richardtyson100 you don’t know me or my life ! And you don’t know trans women either.
Lesbian solidarity ☺️
Terfs are also constantly contradicting themselves, changing their opinions depending on how they’re bullying trans women in that particular moment. For example, if a trans women has full surgery/makeup/pretty clothes to become cis passing, terfs say this is an unhealthy view of women and misogynistic because it suggests women have to be pretty and feminine. But if a trans women decides she’s happy with her natural features and adopts a more natural look then terfs say she’s just a man in a dress and therefore a predator just trying to get into womens spaces. So which is it? Is it wrong to be hyper feminine, or is it wrong to not be feminine enough? Like I wish their hatred was AT LEAST consistent.
I remember a couple years ago when I realized the BBC had a specific agenda.
I don't remember the exact context, but I think it was either an anniversary of the first Matrix film or maybe the announcement of the 4th... but anyway it was well after BOTH writers/directors came out as trans women and the review would not use their first names, would not use the phrase "wachowski sisters" and it was definitely after they said the film was filled with metaphors for transition.
The review was titled something like "Matrix movie is just a male power fantasy"
After reading that it was really really clear that BBC has an anti trans agenda.
(Just did a quick google to make sure I got my facts right. Article was by Nicholas Barber from March 26 2019)
I think agenda is a bit of a strong word. It implies a planned manipulation of public opinion. I think it's more so a cesspool for transphobes to circlejerk.
@@nerida3347 Well, you could say the informed decision of removing accounts from trans women who experienced assault, and of platforming a sexual predator to spin tales in favour of the article's actual objective, coupled with the BBC's protection of the author and the article even when such blatant lies have come into light makes "agenda" a suitable term to me
@@nerida3347 it is an informed political motive tho. by alienating trans people with the excuse of feminism, they can pander to both conservatives and TERFS. big media loves scapegoating certain groups and the BBC is part of that
@@nerida3347 The BBC, like all western mainstream media absolutely, pervasively and systemically engages in planned manipulation of public opinion on behalf of capital and imperialism. Much like NYT, Reuters, WaPo, etc. it is a propaganda arm of the bourgeois state and takes its marching orders directly from state intelligence agencies who deliberately and knowingly plant false, inflamatory stories.
This story is just the tip of the iceberg of their lies and hatemongering.
@@nerida3347 a cesspool for transphobes strikes me as a very likely environment for deliberate agenda. Not so much mutually exclusive as mutually inevitable.
That survey is even worse than Shaun shows it to be in the video:
Under the Deception section it includes two examples: One of a cis woman being informed someone was a trans woman before anything happened, and one where a cis woman dating a trans woman for several months in full knowledge she's a trans woman, and then retroactively deciding "he[sic] behaves like a man".
It also states that "Queer Propaganda" can count as a form of indirect coercion, such as "The Dogmatic assertion that trans women are women". In other words, the survery literally outright says that repeating the sentiment that trans women are women is a form of coercion.
Crazy how bigots can take simple statements like "a_b are b" and frame them as "oppressive coersion" and "compelled speech"
There is nothing within the scientific literature that even implies that "TWAW". Therefore the sentiment is an extremist, unsubstantiated view (aka a lie).
@@FreeAssange have you read a single scientific literature ever
@@afish1659 You clearly don't do much reading of any kind.
Obviously repeating the lie that "trans-womxyn are women" is a form of coercion. You certainly won't find any scientific source backing it up. Take a lie detector test, you'll find out that you don't believe they're women either.
God, I just read a transcript of that Lily Cade rant... genuinely felt sick reading it. And I'm not even trans. It's just - there's nothing left there except for hate, it's incoherent in parts and horrifying from start to finish, and there's no attempt to conceil it.
It’s my field so I decided to go for the methodological critique: “This article is built on the premise of using the actions of a minority of people within a marginalized group to paint a picture that demonizes them. In order to do so, it cites a survey with numerous methodological flaws. Firstly, the number of people surveyed (n) unnecessarily small (
I came at the article from a different angle, but this is a fucking masterclass in pointing out bad methodology. May I quote you when they respond to my complaint with their boilerplate horseshit about "impartiality"?
Straight men aren't a "marginalised group", lesbians are.
@@FreeAssange Straight white men are. Look at the media and blatant propaganda against them.
BBC's writer wrote what many women feel about transgender "women"! Lets be honest. I aint a woman, but i heard this kind of argument many times before from females. First of all you cannot force biological women to share bathrooms, lockerooms and other facilities because of biological reasons and the reasons of privacy. A lot of trans women may still have penises, and how will that justify their presence in those rooms?! It doesnt mean that they hate transgenders, but that they have natural reaction to something illogical as this! The solution is to create separate bathrooms, lockerooms, etc. for transgenders, and not force them to share with biological women. That is only logical and "non bigoted solution"!
@@cristianoreddevil9736 So let me get this straight: women are biologically hardcoded to have a phobia of penises, to the point that being near them causes them distress.
...Why don't we sex-segregate the ENTIRE society, then?
To make light of this, I love the memes us trans folk have made with the headline. One of my favorites is "We're being pressured into *coding* by some trans women".
I really like that one
“We’re being pressured into completing every Fallout: New Vegas achievement by some trans women. Yes, even the caravan one.”
@@KimperialMarch "we're being pressured into beating MegaMan 2 on orginal hardware by Some Transwomen"
@@KimperialMarch LITERALLY polls show 50% of us have played NV (and awesome username lol)
I wanna add "We're being pressured into using obscure PAL release OoT speedrunning tactics by some trans women"
*Edit: when the BBC decides they're innocent, you should escalate to Ofcom*
YES Shaun, love the call to action, honestly can't understand how people at the BBC can just sit still whilst it actively distributes this dangerous nonsense. Someone should let them know that "some" British people commit transphobic hate crimes.
I mean, the British left also called people "racist" and "Islamophobic" for covering the Rotherham child rapes, so no wonder they're now coming after the BBC for "transphobia".
The BBC is British state propaganda, it serves the interests of british intelligence services and often has its stories either suggested or literally pre-written by them.
It constantly publishes lies and hate. Like all western mainstream media, it is a tool of capital and imperialism and should be viewed as an enemy of the people.
@@Kai-tn4yx no, they didn’t
@@Kai-tn4yx you didn't watch the video.
@@transsylvanian9100 they aren't profit fueled and looking to pull stunts like Sky News does.
I'm not gonna watch the video to protect my mental health, but from reading the comments and discussion surrounding this video, as a transwoman I want to say thank you: you're doing God's work. Transphobia succeeds when allies stay silent, and this kind of exposing analysis is what we need to fight ignorance.
Biology is transphobic. Homosexuality is transphobic. Reality is transphobic. The only way to not be transphobic is to become a habitual liar & accuse feminists of transphobia.
@@FreeAssange tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video
@@adambartos8463 I'm replying to OP, not Shaun.
@@FreeAssange Well I just wrote a big thing and then accidentally pressed something on my laptop and deleted it... soooooo here's the abridged slapdash version.
Biology and reality supports trans people. However our understanding of trans people on a biological level is so complicated and hard to put into laymen's terms, that the general public doesn't really understand it. The general public also has issues trusting researchers on even basic things which is adds to the issue.
Sexuality isn't about chromosomal sex. No one is getting off to chromosomes. It's more about primary and secondary sex characteristics which vary even in cis people (even ones who aren't intersex). Primary and secondary sex characteristics are also able to be changed to an extent through medical procedures and/or changing ones hormonal sex with HRT.
No it's not transphobic to not be into a trans person and there is valid reasons to not want to date some trans people such as fertility or emotional baggage. However, if you're loudly and proudly proclaiming you'd never date a trans person with no real reason as to why, you're probably transphobic.
I didn't really write this for your sake. I already know you're going to call me a liar because you don't understand, nor do you want to understand. I'm not really interested in debating someone like that. However, if one person reads this, looks into it, and becomes a more informed person from it, then I've done my job.
@@FreeAssange my point still stands
as both a trans person and a survivor, i appreciate this video a lot.
One really important part about the BBC's complaints progress - when you get a response, it will initially be a cookie cutter template response from some poor mimimum wage person, usually in Belfast where the BBC have outsourced a load of their jobs to Captia.
It's really important to follow up that complaint by replying that that initial response, saying the response is inadiquate (because it will be). Only then does the complaint get forwarded on to the actual people who made the damned article.
If you don't do this, your response will still be counted in statistics concerning how complained about the article was, but otherwise your complaints will basically be ignored
:edit:
Someone asked an excelent question, which is: 'what do you have to do when you reply to the form response?'
So, apparently you need to counter what they say in the form response. I haven't received mine yet but I anticipate they'll say something about needing to be impartial. How you respond to that particular bullshirt is up to you :)
Another point my spouse made was - I was a little inaccurate up there when I Said the complaint would be ignored. Technically speaking, the people who make the decisions at the BBC always have access to complaints relevant to them. That said, there's very little chance of the sort of producer who would let such an article be put out would be interested in dissenting opinion.
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Thanks for the thumbs ups gang, glad people are seeing this. My wife used to work for BBC complaints which is how I know a bit about their process. If anyone has any questions, tag me in a comment and I'll ask her
It's sad that they took their complaints process out of a Monty Python handbook.
That’s extremely useful info, thank you so very much for it.
I complain about comments on their website occasionally - whenever they decide, for whatever reason, to open the comments about women's sport, you get a whole heap of sexist comments. Complaining removes half of them at most.
Shaun uses a random number generator to decide how long to wait between uploads.
I'm sure he throws a 20 side dice every week and only posts a video if he gets 18 or more
I heard he posts according to planet alignments.
@@gerbermarc7597 So basically, Shaun is Diceman.
from a trans person: thanks.
From another trans person, isn't it so damn refreshing when someone who isn't one of us actually stands up for us? Few things feel better than a cis person going to bat for trans folk.
@@apollofell3925 and with the usual level of background research and detail! Which I certainly don’t have the emotional distance to spend the energy on doing about this.
@@apollofell3925 Do all trans folks think exactly the same and agree on everything?
@@hugh-jasole of course not. Some of us are star wars fans and others of us are Trekkies.
When it comes to trans issues, there is a general consensus that most of us conform to - the validity of nonbinary folk, the participation of trans women in women's sports, etc. And this majority of trans folk would probably agree that advocacy on the part of cis folk is one of the most encouraging things trans people can encounter.
@@apollofell3925 I only ssk because the two transexual friends i have both think this woke nonsense isnt helping anyone. They think twitter is full of wildly far left cultists too. So i don't know i understand your point about people needing advocates on their behalf. But they don't think like lefties. For example my trans friend thinks everything JK Rowling had said about it publicly is correct. Now is my friend's point of view not valid because you disagree? Do you not see my point a little here or am i not explaining myself well.
When I was heading to the BBC's website to make a strongly worded complaint I spotted their response, presumably to the amount of complaints being made about this article, so if anyone is curious, here's their "statement":
"The BBC is committed to ongoing coverage of this subject, hearing a wide range of viewpoints across our output.
Impartiality is a core value of the BBC, something we apply to all our news coverage and we do not take an editorial position on the stories that we cover. Throughout our coverage we seek to reflect the opinions of key figures, include contributions from organisations involved in the debate, and address questions or concerns raised by members of the public.
We appreciate that the BBC plays an important role in informing and facilitating debate about subjects of public interest, some of which are divisive."
In my opinion, this addresses literally none of the complaints made about the article and I don't really know what they expect to get from that wishy-washy cowardly statement
Someone else simply existing is NEVER a violation of your consent or some kind of forced sexual engagement. If you can't separate seeing someone from your personal sexual desires, that's on you. Take your trauma to a therapist.
It's important this ground not be ceded at all costs. No matter what emotions, panics, or fears someone gives you by sight, they aren't violating your consent unless you aren't free to leave/disengage. Otherwise I'm sorry, but deal with it
Case in point: Earlier this year a Russian trans woman was beaten in Tomsk under the pretense the man "feared for his safety" at "the sight of {slur}"
@@user-uj4sc7tg9v sounds like the US good old 'gay panic defence.
@@user-uj4sc7tg9v they actually think trans women are witches with evil magic powers huh
@@wellshit9489 i wish i was a witch with evil powers, life would be so much more interesting that way
So glad to see such a thorough video about the million fucked up things in that article.
I submitted a complaint before Lily Cade’s genocide post came to light (still hard to believe). But there has to be more done than just removing the article. Since a lot of the damage has already been done. Potentially good but uninformed people are going to read it, come away with the idea trans women are inherently dangerous, and feel like they are better informed because it came from a BBC article.
Go read the full article. No one who reads the WHOLE thing can reasonably be expected to come away thinking all trans women are dangerous when it is repeatedly stated that this is a rare phenomenon/minority of experiences.
@@andrewteague114 I read the full article. That’s why I made the complaint.
This video addresses your comment at 15:05
@@andrewteague114 what is the point of the article titled “We’re being pressured into sex by some trans women” if not to stoke fear and bigotry against trans people ffs?! You aren’t really that dense are you? Swap in almost any other minority group into there and I’m sure it would be blatantly obvious it would never be published by the BBC, especially without any genuine scientific studies which fully backed up the notion that the minority group in question posed a strongly significant increased chance of doing that.
@UCERGWhrfNxqB4hCKDkyOdSA okay but also if there's LITTLE TO NO DATA ON THE SUBJECT AND ITS THE MINORITY WHY WAS IT MADE?? its not like stories about cis people who have raped people come out all the time while saying "its the minority of cis people, there's little to no data".
I feel like the BBC has jumped the transphobic shark tbh.
So, I just had a look on the Complaints page, and on the top, there are updates and responses to complaints. There was one yesterday, as it happens, and it reads as follows:
*Summary of complaint*
We’ve received some complaints about our news coverage of trans activism.
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*Our response*
The BBC is committed to ongoing coverage of this subject, hearing a wide range of viewpoints across our output.
Impartiality is a core value of the BBC, something we apply to all our news coverage and we do not take an editorial position on the stories that we cover. Throughout our coverage we seek to reflect the opinions of key figures, include contributions from organisations involved in the debate, and address questions or concerns raised by members of the public.
We appreciate that the BBC plays an important role in informing and facilitating debate about subjects of public interest, some of which are divisive.
If ever anyone doubted the BBC would simply double down on something as pathetic, disgraceful and purposefully shit-stirring as this article, well...they didn't just double down, but *tripled* down. This his the same BBC who sought to cover up child abuse scandals over the years; this shouldn't even be the remotest shock. At this point, the only options here are to simply barrage them with enough complaints so that it forces action, or escalate it somehow to Ofcom or whatever.
A sneak peak into this comment section: a whole lot of people going ‘I’m not a terf! I just happen to hold a lot of the same beliefs and talking points as terfs! But I’m not a terf lol don’t you even know what that word means?’ Save yourself the headache. Don’t argue with terfs. They don’t want to be educated.
As someone who don't follow actuality and isn't an English speaker, can I ask you what "terf" mean?
@@divicarpe1844 Yeah, I can explain! Terf is short for 'trans exclusive radical feminist'. While transgender women get the brunt of their vitriol, 'terfs' also dislike trans men. The article this video is about is a good example of what I would call 'terf' rhetoric, with Lily Cade being the most... extreme end of the scale.
@@FreeAssange you really need to work on your b8 skills.
Educate yourself, you'll never find a scientific source that says "TWAW".
Most telling part about the article might be the title. "We're being pressured into sex by some transwomen," could just as easily be, "We're being pressured into sex by some ciswomen," "We're being pressured into sex by some cis men," or "We're being pressured into sex by some transmen." Seriously, sexual assault happens (as sad as it is), all groups of people commit sexual assault (because groups of humans are diverse), and focusing specifically on transwomen pressuring cis women into sex without justifiably statistically verifying it is a seriously underhanded tactic that implies a very serious accusation as a result of not revealing all relevant information.
well, not exactly. "We're being pressured into sex by cis men" is a phrase that reflects a systemic reality, in which cis men are afforded a disproportionate amount of power over every other category of people (women, be they cis or trans, and trans men), which results in those categories being regularly discriminated against, assaulted in large numbers, and not believed/protected/granted justice when that happens. I feel like Shaun should have specified this.
we all know that does NOT mean that all cis men do this, nor that ONLY cis men do this. but there is a specific system in place that 1) teaches men that masculinity = aggressiveness 2) allows those who internalize this notion to exert power over others with impunity (while ridiculing and emasculating cis men who refuse to do so, along with gay, bi and trans men ofc). this cannot be ignored if we wish to ever free ourselves from the hetero-normative patriarchy, because that IS the hetero-normative patriarchy.
of course, every other marginalized category has, in turn, the power to marginalize those who stand below them in the food chain. and this is, sadly, where we white cis women come in, and the reason why our feminism need to be intersectional. we should aim to never hurt others the way we have been hurt, but sadly, I often see so called "feminists" go in the direct opposite way.
@@bdp8102 I've seen a lot of TERFs specifically weaponize transphobia as a means to cover up sexual assault so honestly the second part checks out. Like from what I can gather from this whole BBC article here is that a cis woman with a history of sexual assault is using transphobia as a smoke screen for her own history of sexual assault. I've seen a lot of cis sexual predators do the same thing. Everytime I see a cis man spouting TERF shit I assume he rapes women to be honest.
@@commanderboo8879 I would assume the same. TERFs go hand in hand with rapists, nazis and religious fundamentalists, as long as they are cis. That's the only thing they care about anymore.
I have been called a "handmaid of the patriarchy" by TERFs more times than I can count, because I am a cis feminist who believes trans women are women (I am aware of the fact that trans women do not need my approval over their womahood and I feel awful talking on their behalf, but that's just the shitty way things go nowadays). Every time that happens, I'm BAFFLED. What patriarchy are we talking about here? Because the patriarchy that *I* am used to sees trans people as enemies, sooo... looks like I'm not the handmaid here.
And I am frankly scared of what women can encounter in TERF "safe spaces", when I think about who they consort with.
(However, the first part checked out too. Kinda hard to ignore the fact that cishet white men rule the world, and I truly hope that we women will not end up having to fight for this notion in progressive spaces too. It gets pretty tiring after a while, you know).
@@bdp8102 if you're going to conflate every single gender critical feminist/rad feminist to nazis and religious fundamentalists as you said, then i see no issue making the general statement that most "transbians" resent lesbians for not wanting to have sex with them and actively pressure them into doing so since it's so clear you don't know what you're talking about. if you can make such an egregious and ignorant statement and stand confidently by it, i don't see how you're in any right to say that lesbians expressing distress in males trying to force them into sex is an exaggeration or that "woman only care about cis people". lesbians are lesbians because they are homosexuals. can you explain to me why homosexuals ever existed in the first place, if anyone can identify into gender? what is the difference in saying that lesbians need to accept trans women as women because "they say they are" vs telling lesbians "you just haven't had a good dick yet"? you can live in delusion all you want, it doesn't make males any less male no matter how much makeup they wear or how stereotypically feminine they dress
@@tryingnotto first of all, what I said is that TERF groups consistently ally themselves with extremists, which is demonstrably true, because they do so publicly. You can check for yourself if you don’t want to rely on me and my “ignorance”, then you can evaluate how safe women should feel in a space where white supremacists, anti-choice/anti-gay religious bigots, and actual sexual predators, like this Lily Cade character here, are welcome (the one and only requirement for access and support being hate for trans people).
second of all, trans women, as a political group, do NOT believe that they have a "right" to have sex with us if we do not want them. They just fight for their right to be recognized as women, which is not only a issue of who they end up having sex with (and the fact that TERFs believe it is sounds really insane to me, not to mention creepy) but an all-encompassing existential matter.
Lots of lesbians have sex, and relationships, and marriages with trans women, you know, and that's ok. Lots of lesbians don't, and that's ok too. What is not ok is denying people their identity by saying "I don't believe you are who you say you are". What is not ok is misgendering them, which you promply did at the end of your answer. It is a form of hate speech, in case you did not know: reeeeeally undercut your argument about not all " gender critical radical feminists" being extremists btw.
Personally, I've never felt significantly attracted to a trans person so far (I've only met a few, to be fair), but I've never thought that my personal preference made any of them any less of who they are. Why should it? Their identity does not depend on me or my personal taste. I am not attracted to a majority of cis people either, that does not mean that there's something wrong with them. There's all kinds of different activities and relationships one can entertain with their neighbor, aside from sex. And the idea that your neighbor should be evaluated and classified on the basis of whether you find them attractive or not sounds pretty patriarchal to me.
EDIT: there's plenty of radical feminists who are trans inclusive, Catherine McKinnon being the most prominent example. Never said there weren't, never will.
Thank you for highlighting this. My complaint:
"I am an American who turns to The BBC for more objective coverage than much of what I can find in the US. So I was extremely disappointed to come across this biased, misleading article which plays into transphobic narratives. This writer clearly has an agenda, and by publishing it, it appears as though The BBC does as well.
The author claims no "high profile" trans women wanted to speak to her, but this is verifiably false, as high profile trans women WERE interviewed for the article and not included. Additionally, there is absolutely no reason a piece that generalizes across an entire marginalized group should not include voices from trans women who are not "high profile," just as it included interviews with cis women who are not high profile.
Instead, The BBC chose to profile interviews from two well known anti-trans activist groups.
This is frankly disgusting, and if there's one bright spot here, its the reminder that at least the US media isn't alone at the bottom of the barrel. Do better."
Such a great closing statement, bestie!
you can't go to any media for something purely objective, I don't think that can be possible. all you can do is look at multiple sources and compile your opinion.
@@Udontkno7
Maybe you should apply to BBC complaint response department
Have you tried DW or NHKworld as international media to supplement your media consumption? They are still relatively conserve, slow and boring but make for a window into German and Japanese culture.
@@sairassiili Aye, you just can't rely on any one media network for anything. This video proves that lmao I'm not agreeing with them, I strongly disagree. I hate the BBC, WSJ, etc etc. That's why you gotta look at all of them. and then some more and then come to your one conclusion. Humans are just really bad at being purely objective. Biases leak through.
"The article will eventually be deleted" well, as of now, 8 months later, it's still up. So it's not looking great.
I really appreciate Shaun's response to transphobia in the UK.
Agreeing with biological facts isn't a phobia.
@@jeffgojail eww stinky terfs
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Call me when a one of is them is menstruating, until then quit trying to gaslight
Don't worry, you got the clown car patrols 🤡
@@jeffgojail you smell so bad rn bro
OK Even if the BBC somehow dodges the whole "it's impertial trust me :)))))))" thing, how the hell do they ignore the fact that Lowbridge lied about her sources and general misconduct in regards to its research and citation? Seriously wtf, it's an absolutely abhorrent article in terms of its integrity and quality let alone the massive transphobia.
Simple, they just ignore their critics, true to the nature of all rightoids, and lie, also true to the nature of rightoids.
They just can't not~
Honestly as a transman the way some people get so anal about not wanting to be with trans people is weird. Like yes you can have a preference land not want to date or sleep with trans people. It’s weird when you’re constantly going on about how much you don’t want to get with us. Just like keep it to yourself like the way most people do about their preferences in most cases? Like I personally wouldn’t want to be with a trans person despite being trans myself, and potentially because of that at least partially. Does that mean I don’t like trans people? No I just wouldn’t want to be in a relationship with them. None of us care if you don’t want to sleep with us. Have your preference just shut up about it and stop acting like we’re upset you won’t sleep with us. Don’t worry, there are plenty of people more than willing to do so.
It’s weird if you’ve genuinely dеludеd yourself into thinking that transmen are actually, literally men - or that most people actually think that - but it’s not weird in the slightest if/when you realise that transmen are nоt actually, literally men at all - and certainly nоt in the eyes of the vast majority of ordinary people.
@@alexbennet4195 I think you misunderstood the point alexevans was making
I think maybe the title should have been "Some people are insecure about the fact that theyre specifically attracted to someone's genitals instead of even just being attracted to a specific gender "
On this November 12, 2021, the day following Remembrance Day/Veteran’s Day, I feel it’s important to remind everyone, lest we forget, that among the first books burned in 1930s Germany were medical journals focused on sexual health, including transgender, intersex and homosexual health. I fill like that is kind of very important to remember, LEST WE FORGET.
I made the same point a day ago or so
This. When people are crying for "scientific evidence" for transgender identities (which we got a lot how transition saves lives and how equality brings social justice), they tend to ignore that... NAZIS BURNED A SHITTON OF TRANS RESEARCH. Literally they have destroyed a ton of scientific evidence on the trans identity and now transphobes acting like they are not siding with fascists on this one.
Funny thing about that was: It was actually done *spontaneously* by sports students, despite Magnus Hirschfeld, the leader Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, not actually being on any black list being used to burn the books during the Autodafe of 10. May 1933, because a Black List for Sexual Sciences was not compiled yet. And any documents not initially burnt were compulsorily auctioned, and if they survived after that, destroyed during the battle of Berlin.
@@tux8000 so you're claiming the owner of all that information decided to burn it all for fun???
@@nukiradio if you mean the compulsory auctions, some people may have indeed bought them to burn them during later autodafes
I love how the article has ‘some Transwomen’. Even they can’t really make it out to be a systematic thing or problem with the Trans Community, they just have to say ‘some transwomen’. As if there’s like, three of them.
Yeah do you have any idea how many trans women there are in the UK? Four, maybe five!
It has the same energy as "some kids wear hats indoors and I don't like it"
I find this so weird about britain. Like any time I watch any movie made in britain it takes about 30minutes till someone somehow will end up crossdressing. But doing it not for laughs is loathsome for some reason.
There's a noticeable difference in Shaun's voice here, compared to his other videos. There's a weight to his words. He's clearly actually angry.
He could be trans
This article is providing insane cover for the trans panic defense when dudes freak out and kill trans women for "deception" that's fucking insane
They want us all to die. They'd make it fully legal to murder us if they could
@@pippincovington1348 this is the most exaggerated statement i've seen in all these comments. you really want to talk about how terfs want you to die? i'd be glad to show you picture after picture literally 30+ examples of trans women holding guns and talking about wanting to kick the teeth in of "terfs". that's not violence, but stating biological reality is. get a grip bro
There has been not a single murder of a trans woman in the UK in 3 years. Now who is doing a moral panic?
@@tryingnotto No it isn't. Men, particularly in the United States, use the trans panic defence after murder. Claiming that trans people existing is tantamount to them being an evil rapist, absolutely is cover for the trans panic defence.
@@sharifsalem Still you. A transgender woman was nearly set fire to in her own house just a few months ago. Lily Cade just posted a serial killer manifesto calling for the murder of all trans women and the rape of their families. You are operating a moral panic and its pathetic.
The BBC responded and said the following:
"The BBC is committed to ongoing coverage of this subject, hearing a wide range of viewpoints across our output.
Impartiality is a core value of the BBC, something we apply to all our news coverage and we do not take an editorial position on the stories that we cover. Throughout our coverage we seek to reflect the opinions of key figures, include contributions from organisations involved in the debate, and address questions or concerns raised by members of the public.
We appreciate that the BBC plays an important role in informing and facilitating debate about subjects of public interest, some of which are divisive."
Bollocks.
Classic 'False Balance' journalism. Usually employed by media sites in attempt to push for extremism, conspiracism, or/and denialism. Disappointing from the BBC.
I guess in BBC's minds, platforming a (n unapologetic) rapist in an article decrying rape counts as "being balanced"
At least it wasn’t their earlier “this has been controversial but we’re not here to nanny you, you might read something you dislike sometimes, deal with it” response… which I only vaguely paraphrased…
I read somewhere in the comments that one has to respond to the BBC's response if they want their initial complaint to be forwarded to the people that actually wrote the article instead of being only read by staff that always copy-pastes standard statements.
this is the best the trans movement can hope for. enjoy it while it lasts. no one is going to believe that some people are born with a cross-gender identity forever.
Got my complaint response.
It was along the lines of "Yes but we didn't WANT to include Chelsea's contributions and you can't make us!"
As to be expected I suppose.
Complaint sent. I hope those transphobic monsters get fired
I’m now unreasonably putting my hopes into the fact that Shaun will now drop a new fully edited video essay every seven days
Sorry to put down your hopes, but he mentioned yesterday on Twitch that he's planning on a week-long break til he starts working on vids again. Seems like the anger took it out of him a bit!
@@jackwhite8204 he's currently reviving in a bacta tank.
In Finland there was a "science" reporter in the biggest news paper that unapologetically repeated all the stuff about this article.
Wow that’s particularly disgraceful. Clearly that reporter has a lot of science to read.. the biological science studies showing that Trans is a biological phenomenon go back more than 25 years.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised to see phrenology making a comeback. It's totally a science you guys !!!
Stay strong trans sisters. Much love to you all.
*brothers
Holy shit, reading through this article was one of the most sickeningly transphobic things I've ever read in media. The BBC should be put to the stake for this kind of bigotry, especially citing an ACTUAL (cis) sexual predator when referring to those being 'pressured' into sexual encounters. One of the laziest, most hateful pieces of journalism I've ever come across.
My expectations regarding the journalistic integrity of the BBC were already on the floor.
They somehow managed to limbo under those expectations, through the molten mantel of the earth, and into the planet’s core.
I’d be impressed if I wasn’t so offended on a visceral level.
Excellent comment.
I'm a cis lesbian and I'm grateful for your coverage of this heinous article.
As a trans woman I can't thank you enough for the support, thanks.
It seems silly, but seing comments like this put me so much at ease, thank you. We stand stronger together. (A trans nb bean). 💕
@@cofeejoe2882 cool to see enbies here as well.
do you wanna change that? 😏
@@loluser124 what the actual fuck???
Man I just wanna exist and live my life bro. Honestly half of the anxiety and metal turmoil I deal with around being trans is how much the world fucking hates people like me. It baffles me that I, as some nobody 18yo stoner kid who hasn't done anything do anyone, am automatically hated by a large amount of people purely cos I'm trans. It baffles me further when people who still to this day face a huge amount hated and discrimination, then put that same hatred and discrimination onto another marginalised group. I beg, just live and let live please.
People really do tend to forget that the full extent of being trans is just being trans. I doubt anyone really puts much doubt into the "why" when it comes to this sort of thing.
I got a reply email from the BBC saying they would be unable to respond to my complaint within their usual timeframe due to an unusually high number of complaints. HATS OF TO SHAUN!
My complaint is as follows, because I got Real Mad:
"Have the journalistic standards of this company truly slipped so low as to write a hit piece decrying trans women as "predators", without batting an eye at the irony of having part of it written by Lily Cade, a known, self-admitted predator?
In the slimy, responsibility-shirking redaction of said predator's statement when she suggested genocide against the exact group of people she helped this company commit borderline libel against, I noticed two inexcusable derelictions of basic integrity that make me unlikely to ever consider the BBC a reliable news source again:
1.) Failing to disclose that Lily Cade is, herself, a rapist. Never making this fact clear in the article itself was already scummy. Referring to the crimes she committed as "her past actions", in an article that otherwise takes no issue with using the words "rape" and "sexual assault", is a clear sign that that the BBC cares more about demonising trans women than helping victims or stopping assault.
2.) Failing to disclose that Lily Cade made direct death threats against trans women. Lily Cade did not make "Comments" about the trans community. She claimed she wants to lynch trans women, citing specific innocent people she wants to murder by name. At what point, precisely, did death threats become "comments"? Was it the same point that the BBC decided that it only cared about death threats pointed at cis people?
In conclusion, the BBC has shown that it cares more about accusing all trans women of being predators than it cares for truth, ethics, or basic human decency. The company's actions here will stain its name for generations to come. Maybe you lot can take advice from the Daily Mail on what spot remover works best on supporting genocidal cretins."
Thank you for your service. Please make sure to escalate when you get the copied and pasted response!
BBC was right. For once at least
@@cristianoreddevil9736 They were right in platforming a rapist? They were right in supporting the views in someone who calls for murder of innocents?
They were hypocritical if anything. You cannot platform a rapist while discussing the topic of sexual assault and rape.
@@Ellie-bj2uw Hardly any Lesbians dare to speak out on this. They get dogpiled, thrown out of lesbian orgs, harrassed. There are stories like this all over the net. #metoo just happened. I believe them. I believe the lesbians. Because I'm an actual feminist, not a fake 'ally'.
Wait, _what?_ What. I'm late to the story (not currently in Britain). But she's a rapist herself?? I've got to look this up, this is too important to just pass up.
Two videos in roughly a week? Love it. Our skull father has blessed us.
Our Boner Father!
OK.
After reading this out loud I noticed this sounds very wrong, but I am gonna leave it here anyway.
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SKULLFATHER GRANT US YOUR WISDOM!
That piece definitely went for gasps.
It turns out this article is so transparently awful, a video on it doesn't require half a year of research.
As a trans woman: thank you so much, Shaun.
We are all here for you!
Why is every pro-trans video an anti-feminist video? It can't possibly be bc the trans movement is an anti-woman hate movement.
@@FreeAssange Its never been anti woman lmao, if anything its pro woman
@@bluelight2681 Answer the question then.
@@FreeAssange The question? You mean your beghing the question?
Ok fine, Ill play your little game
Pro- trans has not got routes in being anti woman/feminist, what in particular you consider to be anti woman from the basis of this video would be
Exposing obvious lies surrounding trans people and Pointing out hypocrisy.
These aren't anti feminist. So you tell me, where is the anti feminism and what sentiments are anti feminist?
You answer the question.
I submitted a complaint, focusing on sociological issues present in and perpetuated by the article. I would also like to say that I am very happy to see that the comment section is not filled with self-victimizing pseudo-intellectuals. What an amazing community.
I've been feeling really disappointed and truly saddened by the huge amount of transphobia coming from the UK media, government and institutions, I can only imagine how trans people feel having these constant attacks against them for just existing.
Yeah, people don't like different lifestyles. It's nothing new. Why paying so much attention to this specific type of discrimination?
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Because it's extremely prevalent in government, media and institutions. It's not a "lifestyle" Whats your problem with me talking about it, do you hate free speech or something?
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Did you watch the video? The BBC pulled a vile move. If that alone isn't enough to merit your slight attention and concern, I don't know what would
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 found the right winger nut
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555
I'm trans, and it's hard not to notice this stuff when you're literally the target of this stuff. also, being trans is not a lifestyle.
A while back, the BBC published an article about a deepfake tool that could turn regular clothes photos into nude photos, and they literally included the name of the website in the article. I complained about it and they said "While we understand your concerns, on balance we think the name of the site is an important detail to include in the story, particularly in light of Maria Miller’s intervention and the fact this site uses more sophisticated technology and appears to already be widely used."
They just don't care lol
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I somewhat agree with them there. Such sites are incredibly easy to find via any search engine and the disinclusion of the name not only reduces the pressure put on that site for its immorality but also readily obscures the source of the topic being discussed and thus any ire generated from the article would be dead on arrival with nowhere for it to be pointed to. Simply by mentioning that such tools exist already gives readers the information they require to access it so the only possible positive of disincluding the name would be banking on the fact that someone is so stupid, lazy and incompetent that they can’t even use a search engine. Ultimately, people who would go to such sites after reading a condemnatory article about them are going to make their way there regardless of whether or not they printed one specific sites name. Might as well put that one sites feet to the fuckin fire even if it’s only a fraction of what they deserve.
But don't worry, they're SUPER concerned about sexual predators, it's DEFINITELY not just a weapon to cynically wield against oppressed groups.
@@ulture How are you even tying in deep nudes as weapons against oppressed groups? Unless you're including literally any form of coercion, harassment, or really any kind of assaultive behavior as a "weapon to wield against oppressed groups" I'm not seeing it.
Also, are you implying that women are an oppressed group? If we're going that broad, then literally everyone on earth is part of an oppressed group - not all women are oppressed, and some men are oppressed - there comes a point where the complete and utter lack of distinction in these claims of oppression just work against people who are *actually* oppressed. The reality of women in the U.S. or Canada ≠ women in Saudi Arabia (or a surprising amount of other, equally shady places). Equality as we think of it is a human construct - we strive for it, but by the nature of life its self there are always going to be minor inequalities in society (though the major ones we mostly hear about in NA are straight up debunked myths, like the gender pay gap), but to call NA women "oppressed" does a tremendous disservice to women in countries that, you know, oppress them.
So I hope that's not what you were saying.
@@Nightman9001 the ol jontron IF YOU CAN BUY A BIG MAC, YOU'RE NOT OPPRESSED, i see
@@Nightman9001 read it again
Trans people go through too much. Sending love to all of them❤❤
How is lesbians not wanting to fuck males "going thru so much" lmao
What do they go through? Getting rejected by lesbians? Every man goes through that.
Thank you for supporting trans people.We really need people like you, it's really hard being trans in the UK at the moment.
yeah the absolute worst thing is that this isn't an article in Spiked or a gutter tabloid. The fact that this is BBC represents how far they have gone off the deep end and how ingrained transphobia still is
I wouldn't say "still". It's on the rise. I don't think 2015 BBC would've dared publish anything like this.
@@Lurdiak yeah, I think its reaching a fever pitch
can you explain to me how homosexuals not wanting to have sex with, and feeling pressured to have sex by the opposite sex is "ingrained transphobia"? can you explain to me how homosexuality ever existed if there was never a need for a distinction besides an individual saying "yeah im a woman now"? like you can't be that stupid
@@tryingnotto Did you not watch the video? Shaun took great pains to address the bigoted claims of the article that you are now rehashing
This is the angriest I think I've ever seen Shaun. He almost raised his voice slightly at certain points! Also I'm glad this is followed with a call to *some* kind of action, though I have no idea whether it's really meaningful action, but it's at least worth a shot.
Here is a rare angry Shawn
Angry Shaun is something we should all be terrified about
loads of people have complained, and they all got the same "we believe this article is balanced and fair" bullshit response. if you complain and get that response, _complain again_ . you can complain the response, i believe that eventually it will go up to Ofcom
of course it's important to complain. there's nothing else to do, it's the only way we can get media's attention
@@aud7593 Agreed!
Can anyone explain why is it that the UK press in particular are so universally transphobic? It seems to be something that just unites all outlets, regardless of their general political stance.
It's because UK media likes to portray men as evil to seem "woke", notice how they specify trans women and not just trans people, they portray it as purely a evil scheme for men
I made the mistake of reading lily cade's screeds. Literal "day of the rope but for trans women" shit. Yeugh
Such is the true nature of conservatives.
Never has one woman so thoroughly reinforced by belief that deplatforming or debate/humiliation is the most moral action to take against conservatives
@Eye of Horus she's not even a generic American conservative, she's a straight up fascist (and I do not use this word lightly). Hell, I've seen dozens of fascists less hostile towards trans people than her.
As a trans woman, (who of course, speaks for and reflects the entire trans community) thanks!
I’m sorry Britain exists
@ip2p p you commented
@ip2p p that's okay, we care you exist
@ip2p p Go troll somewhere else bro it's sad seeing you try to get attention
@ip2p p you seem to
I'm a trans man and very much not British but out of compassion for all the vile, horrid, genuinely threatening sea of garbage trans women have to face, and feeling flooded by the rampant also life endangering transphobia happening in my own country, seeing someone stand the ground behind their support means so much. Thank you for all the effort you put into these videos.
Life endangering how?
@@RB-qq4hx The very real fact that transgender people are despised by a shocking amount of the world and countless would willingly commit violence against them? What do you mean "Life endangering how?"?
@@ladyhm.6748 Despised how? I note your hyperbole ("shocking" etc). Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. How are trans lives endangered exactly? Just so you know, suicidal threats and suicidality are not the fault of anyone but the person who threatens suicide. Suicidal threats are also a form of abuse and are a violent threat, which is why people who threaten suicide are taken to psych wards. Factually they can even be considered legal extortion. So, what do you actually mean by "life endangering." Do you mean like when gay people used to get tied to poles and beaten to death in the US? Because that was how gay people were treated pretty recently, but now there is a 76% approval rate for LGBT in my country. So what do you mean exactly?
@@RB-qq4hx I wish I was making an extraordinary claim. However, statistics do not lie; violence, discrimination, prejudice is standard in the life of an LGBTQ member.
LGBT people (16+) are nearly 4 times more likely to experience violent victimization , compared to non-LGBT people.
LGBT people are about 6 times more likely to experience violence by someone who is well known to them and about 2.5 times more likely to undergo it at the hands of a stranger , compared to non-LGBT people.
LBT women are 5 times more likely than non-LBT women to experience violent victimization . The risk of violence for GBT men is more than twice than that of non-GBT men.
About half of all victimizations are not reported to police . LGBT people are as likely as non-LGBT people to report violence to police.
Approval rate means little; consider that a great amount of abuse is suffered at the hands of authorities, within oppressive social structures.
..If you've intellectual (and empathetic) honesty, you ought to read into the daily life of how LGBTQ+ members are treated in 'modern' society.
At this point, your education is your responsibility. Be respectful, be polite, set aside your biases.
@@RB-qq4hx Link to study: (youtube autodeletes links, lol)
I’m impressed with how thoroughly you were able to explain the huge problems with this crazy article in such a short video. Very well done!
Update from 2023. The article is still up. It has been edited, amended and headline changed, but it is still there. The wording is more careful but the broad stroke point is the same.
BBC. State sponsored broadcasting.
As upsetting as this video is, I'm so glad you made it. I never could bring myself to trust the BBC.
I would also like to say how grateful I am that you encouraged me and others to file a complaint and ever went the distance by walking us through it and providing a pre-made complaint, it really means a lot.
Perhaps you should instead trust a multinational conglomerate?
Love that you’re back doing god’s work, king
Love your channel 💕 patiently waiting for you to dunk on another horrible reality tv show lol
We might be in hell. But we're in it together.
We gotta get you a checkmark dude 😂
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holy shit I’ve never heard Shaun this angry
he's right to be.
I just want to say that, as someone from Brazil, i saw this article being republished in a translated version by TWO major newspapers. So yeah, your fight is not just for the UK, so thank you for being in the front lines
So glad you've covered this, Britain's growing transphobia is extremely scary and increasingly mainstream.
Stay safe, all my trans comrades 💖💖💖
🙌🙌🙌
What's scary about it? If someone's critical about trans identity not reflecting reality it isn't scary.
when you're reconsidering your travel plans to the uk because the top news source over there says you aren't welcome
@@krunkle5136 Trans people exist and if you can't accept that then you're the one who isn't living in reality
Imagine being so triggered by what other people define themselves as that you get mad about it and refuse to just live and let live. Even if you for some reason don’t believe in the science of gender identity you could just move on with your life and afford trans people the same respect you do all random strangers, but no. You’re too mad that other people are doing harmless things you don’t particularly like. Pathetic.