Inside Police Active Shooter Training After Uvalde
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- After arriving at the scene of the mass shooting in Uvalde, 75 minutes passed before law enforcement breached a classroom and killed the shooter. VICE News visits an active shooter training center to see how cops are taught to respond, and how Uvalde police wasted time.
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Going in immediately, regardless of how many allies are with you, to find and stop the active shooter has been the default training for cops for a long time. Uvalde did the opposite and completely screwed up
No, it hasn't. At all.
@@witness1013 Yes it Has Been Fuckboi; the difference between a SWAT team called into a Hostage Situation Vs. Cops Disposing an Active Shooter is ACTIVE SHOOTERS TAKE NO HOSTAGES AND SHOOT FIRST
@@witness1013 it's been standard procedure since columbine.
@@roberthollingsworth8940 No, it sincerely has not.
It’s Texas they can’t help it - can’t even get their electrical grid to work properly
I’ve been through FLETC Active Shooter Instructor Training Course. It’s very high stress. The last course was Solo LEO clearing. There were 50 role players. With flash bangs, smoke grenades and simulation guns. It was very intense. This was 12 years ago. We were taught that if you’re the first officer on scene, it’s your duty to stop the threat.
Have any of you students ever stop an active shooter ?
@@maudepotvin5436 the point I’m making is that you go. Regardless of back up is coming or not.
@@maudepotvin5436 my point is that if you’re first on scene, you go. But to answer your question, yes. LAX El Al shooting. This was before we went to instructor training. We were one of many responding agencies. We also didn’t wait.
@@fightingmink I think that's universally agreed, we don't know what happened here - literally nothing has been released yet. Thank you for this perspective 👍
Well, hopefully those tax dollars aren't wasted.
My personal assessment of the Uvalde incident - would have resulted in the removal of leadership, I would have ordered a complete audit of the money spent on training the officers - and launched a case against any discrepancies found.
We introduced armed police in our schools, and gave up gun rights in the hopes that police officers could protect our students.
It's not been a successful campaign, and audits, layoffs, and restructuring needs to be implemented.
After 25 years of fighting school shooters, and active shooter threats their is simply no excuses.
The army taught me that 0 casualties is the only acceptable number
If you want to be paid to defend out children, you'd better do it. No excuses, and you should be prepared for all threats. No police officer should feel like a sitting duck, but instead a warrior ready to defend children.
No more compromises on gun laws, from me. If the police fail to stop school shootings the veteran community will do it for you & remove armed police from the schools - county by county.
I'm former LE and I can say the problem is that a lot of these agencies won't pay for consistent useful training. I paid out of pocket for extra de-escalation, mental health officer training, and CQB training.
That department had plenty of training. It’s a bunch of keystone cops that have no legal obligation to put themselves in harms way to save people. Until cops are required to put their lives on the line when required to do the job nothing will change. They need the same oath and level of training that military police do.
@@ericclaptonsrobotpilot7276 Your statement makes 0 sense. Law enforcement is required by nature to do their job regardless of the risk to their own life. Hands down no one knows what they’re going to react until they get shot at hands down. That’s why departments need to seriously invest on force on force training. I’ve seen it in the military myself working with military police for 2+ years. I do however agree that the few who simply refuse to act and or cannot act need to be removed or punished.
@@Shotty21000 They don't invest in force on force training. That's what I'm saying. I worked for a decent-sized agency and the only force on force I got using simunitions was during the academy. The remedial force on force I trained was on my own dime and time.
@@Shotty21000 Nope, the Supreme Court has already decided, a.k.a the police legally are under *ZERO* obligation to help &/or save lives.
Sorry to burst your all police are "infallible super heroes" fantasy world, but they're definitely not, in fact there are actually a LOT of corruption and illegal activities done *EVERYDAY* by the extreme majority of law enforcement department across the country.
Is literally *EVERY* cop corrupt? Well, no, but I do find it funny cop bootlickers never see a problem with how it's always the good cops that are getting punished, threatened, & fired, and not the actual cops that are corrupt.
Time to come to terms with *reality.*
First of all thank you for going through the extra training.
Respectfully I would say the problem is exactly the opposite. If you get paid for trainings, everybody and their mother will sign up, check the box, take the money, and go on pretending to work without learning anything from these safe simulations. Case in point: that's what already happens. I know.
The LE employee who wants to go to these trainings should DEMONSTRATE they are willing to put their LIFE on the line. Money should not be an obstacle. It should be a sacrifice, not a reward. LE talks about warrior mindset, so prove it.
Weed out the Rambo wannabe who wants to look like a Hollywood tough guy. Get people with head and heart in the right place.
2 min response time...75 min to kick in the door, waiting until a small army arrives? Pathetic. Cowards. Every single responding officer a true coward. Every single responding officer should be fired. Senior officers should be sent to prison. "To PROTECT and serve". Protect whom? Themselves? Sure didn't protect the shooting victims!! The very nature of the job will put you in harms way. If your a coward, become a baker or a car salesman or something, not a wanna-be door kicker. Don't let people trust their lives to you if your a fake...
They need to learn. " Would you like fries with that?"
protect the law, no the people
Active shooter + passive police = lots of thoughts 'n prayers.
How could grown men be okay with their lives knowing they let those children down
If they have a conscience, they’ll probably off themselves, later.
Because majority of people who join the law enforcement are there to get easy paid and being above the law and nothing to do with protecting the people. I bet you most of these people/police officers wouldn't dare join the police force in Mexico.
They dont care. Its that simple. They are getting their pension on taxpayer dollars. Thats all that matters to them
That have no conscience. They sleep like babies at night while the parents of the dead weep.
Stop blaming the police. Blame society for pushing some m3n over the edge. Stop taking fathers out of the home and stop over-medicating chiIdren.
Officers can train thousands of hours, but if they don't have the guts and are not willing to put there life on the line, nothing will change.
sure things will change , they will need to find a new fucking job hopefully!!!!!
They have the guts to go in a drug house with 20 people and 50 guns but not a school with 1 shooter? THATS WEIRD
Enough said. Somehow they see fit to put the victims lives ahead of theirs.
Why don't you do that, then, Mr. Bravestone?
@@anthonymoney9423 well if you think about it that's a completely different situation. Not defending the cops at all they should be fired, but one you gotta go in as fast as you can. Schools have way more rooms than a house. If you have a house with a bunch of gang members with guns then everyone is a target and can be dealt with as such. A school you have kids around and don't want your crossfire to hit them. Also you don't know where the shooter is at and if he's locked in a room you don't know where other kids are gonna be off they're alive. There's a lot of differences but you should get the point
Love how this guy can’t even admit the Uvalde police are cowards, he still gives them a break smh. The real training for law enforcement is “cops lives are the #1 priority” everyone else is secondary.
it shows they are all cowards frankly . but they are better trained at harrassing black people jayewalking . they'll pile up on one individual .and call it justic
That’s why it’s so important for us to bear arms. You can’t rely on other people to save you.
@@raggieslayer8192 just stop. You are giving everyone a chance to kill large number of people with ease just because police can't do their jobs. That is the definition of lack of critical thinking.
@@raggieslayer8192 not even the people you pay indirectly and have a oath
I read they're going to add "Ourselves" at the end of the "To Protect and To Serve" logos on Uvalde's police cars.
The resort I work at requires all of the employees to attend a week long course in responding to an active shooter situation every year. Obviously it's only the security team that engages with a shooter but they wanted us to know what our role should be if an incident ever occurred. A lot of it was confidence building and learning to act quickly without hesitation. Worthwhile training, I think its a good idea.
Our security department recieves 0 training, no firearm, and basically said throw the door/gates open and ditch... so be aware, security may not even respond or make a 911 call in a situation like that. Companies want 0 liability, and 0 liability means letting a illegal action unfold and wash their hands of all the injuries or deaths associated and re-stock those position with alive employees.
that's your companies typical response to any issue, including active/mass shooters.
A lot of the cops with guts are the cops that get too many complaints for telling it like it is
It has been standard training in a mass shooting to run in and stop the active shooter after the Columbine High School shooting in 1999. This is the training that all those police officers had for decades... So basically the training is the same and we'll have to roll the dice on whether your local law enforcement are cowards or not.
They were told to stay out cause it "turned into a hostage situation".
Did the cops prefer that over risking their lives? Probably.
Should at least one of them have gone in even if he would get fired? Yeah.
In my military recruitment they ask you "If your CO tells you to shoot an unarmed civilian, will you obey the order or disobey and risk court martial?" And the only accepted response in the interview is NO.
@@MustardSkaven no they changed the situation from an active shooter to an barricaded subject
@@jehtochhh Same thing. Semantics.
Step 1. Wait an hour while shooter goes through school unchallenged
Step 2. Start harassing and throwing parents to the ground wanting to save their kids
Step 3. Call out to kids so that they can give away their position and get shot.
Step 4. Lie about what happened
Step 5. Get rid of doors.
Just sad, if I was in that town and got a ticket for speeding I would rip that ticket up in front of him/her and call then a coward.
oh and of course after all is done, proced to harass witnesses
Exactly absolutely despicable Police work! Such incompetence! I hope these Parents sue the pants off the cops and Arredondo!
They already had this training but were ordered by their supervisors not to engage school shooters but to form safe barriers like idiots 💯💯💯👎🏼
Remember guys, the amount of active shooters stopped by cops and school resources cops are less than 5. This is just them trying to LARP as operators…
But it's fun
Bro that’s gold
How many have you stopped, hero?
A lot of keyboard warriors in the comments section.
Hey here's a thought instead of waiting outside go inside and engage the shooter.
Typical American, always wanting to interrupt someone.
What facts is that guy waiting on? 2 minutes to get there and 71 minutes to enter the school what more facts do you need
What? Part 1 of the course doesn't instruct police to wait an hour and a half first?
No cowardly smoke breaks while listening to kids being murdered?
Bizarre.
Guess Texas does things differently.
Bet the Texas version has an intro course, "How to wear a Stetson like a wannabe".
But lefties hate children and babies though. Y'all should just consider it another form of late term abortion.
Texas officers regularly run into gunfire when there's a lot less in danger than the lives of children but keep using the triple horned unicorn incident while ignoring literally millions of cases were they did the opposite
Training training training and then the unionized cops refuse work knowing it's not their right as part of the job description. They should be jailed for what happened at Uvalde.
The school safety officer who RAN AWAY to let kids die, he still got his pension paid out despite abandoning his post and job.
Exactly
It's difficult to believe, with the current state of affairs, that police aren't undergoing this training on a routine basis.
I’m a School Guardian in Florida and we just did some extremely intense active killer training today with our local SO…it was very close to the real thing…I’ve kicked in countless doors in the Middle East and been in as many firefights, and they had my adrenaline kicking up in a very similar fashion. I was very proud of everyone involved cause there was no hesitation…every 4 man element ran towards the threat and never slowed down. True you never truly know how you’ll 100 percent react until you’re in the real deal, but this training is still invaluable imo…
I'm training my family for active shooter situations all the time, in the car to in the house. Now I'm preparing my 4yr old for school, and I'm not leaving out my training.
When bullies w badges are finally exposed for not doing their job - "to protect and serve " ... most probably sign up for the free meals and power abuse
Civil Citizens need to step up because the police suck
Lol shad up know nothing.
You know nothing about law enforcement and I'm guessing you have a long record
The police at Uvalde had already had active shooter training and still stood around doing nothing while the children were murdered.
I'm from Europe and this is complete insanity.
Then be a Force of Good in Europe.
Learn from this and learn all the Context: Watch 'Some More News' and 'Holy Kollaid'
till you cant watch anymore.
Let’s be honest with ourselves for a moment. Police response to an active shooter is never going to be the most effective method of saving lives. Shootings happen in seconds and even if police do everything right they are minutes away. The ultimate solution has to be in prevention.
In the particular case of Uvalde it will be the shooters access to guns, and the school response to an active shooter situation. Last I read, the shooter was shooting just outside the school fence line for up to 10 min, including at the school. So how did the school not go on lockdown until he was already entering class rooms…?
Like Tyson said - Everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the face.
All that training and equipment, and so much funding... they couldn't even save 20 kids and teachers. Cowards. A bunch of cowards. Those kids blood are on your hands, Officers..
AMEN. AMEN
“We need more training to overcome the thing that training has not fixed”
Age-old tactic of Personal trainers and chiropractor worldwide
The real issue is relying on police to save you. I'm not a firefighter, but I keep and know how to use an extinguisher. I'll call 911 if a fire starts in my house, but my best defense is a swift and immediate offense.
Same rules apply with violent crime.
Great video on police training of natural rapid response
Why don't you just put sprinklers with sleeping gas in all schools? 😂
You mean like in 2002 at the Dubrovka Theater in Moscow? The cops filled the theater with gas which _did_ end the hostage crisis.
It was a great success with only 171 dead and 700+ injured.
All those cops who were there should be charged and fired.
well we can say this training facility FAILED !!!!
Obviously, less guns can not solve this problem. So more training?
Clearly we must arm children
Why do they train? They don't even put their lives at risk when children are being murdered.
At 53 I've got so many close calls " I could mention " I feel like a miracle to have made it this far . I've been shot at more than once SMH I'd like to offer advice to those who may not know but in case of gun fire DUCK yes I remember times I had to run but it's risky especially when you don't know where the shots are coming from just the sound of a AK-47 has force that will make you check your clothes.
75 minutes!!!!! Those officers are cowards!!! They were Elementary students
We need training liked this in Uvalde
Now add 200+ children screaming and loud bangs, then let's see how effective this is.
Anything can happen in the moment even with all the training
Lol at the this 'Elite' training
0:27 standing in middle of the doorway with no cover while his buddy pokes his head in front of him is a good way to shoot your buddy in the back of the head. This is "Elite" training XD
@@G_Zero127 it's a bit of a catch-22 i feel like. militarized police would absolutely be useful in situations like this, but how do we prevent that militarization from being abused within normal everyday criminality? not disagreeing with you btw. just food for thought.
I spoken with officers and they admitted that they wouldn't know how to react to a shoot out, some did say that they would be scared and hope it would never happen.
Cops should be military vets. Getting used to impacts around your head doesn't take long but you need to experience it to keep your calm and accept anything can happen.
What was their training before Uvalde? Cower in squad car while DoorDashing some Krispe Kreme?
Dunkin's actually
you should get your facts straight on the Uvalde shooting . the cowardly cops there DIDN'T kill the shooter . An off duty Customs and Boder Patrol officier killed the shooter with a borrowed gun .
You should get your facts straight. It wasn't the off duty border patrol agent with the borrowed gun who killed the gunman.
Thank God there was one MAN in uniform who was not a COWARD
I saw Uvalde PD and thought it was going to be a 1-Star Review.
Is this before or after they refuse to enter the building?
In defense of the police, if the active shooter was an unarmed black man, they would have responded earlier.
💀
@@matevajda3176 waka-waka 🐻
They would've killed him. Shot him on site. Even if they are shooting at the shooter like Emantic Fitzgerald Bradford Jr.. in a Alabama mall in 2018.
An African American man was the "Good Guy With a Gun" then was shot to death by police.
Maybe next time the reporter should receive instructions on how LOUD firearms are (in an enclosed space) BEFORE the drill begins. Even blanks are dangerously loud.
You can play Call of Duty as much as you want...Uvalde kids that were murdered will never come back and police department and its cops are still cowards.
I went through a class on how to defend against multiple shooters .
I asked my 12 year old and 14 year old nephews if they have active shooter drills at their Northern Virginia middle school. The 12 y/o said, "it's 2022, what do you think?" 😤😭
People have to understand that as long as people are having to rush into buildings with someone shooting at you with guns; there will always be some responders that are
sub-par in reaction time and or effective effort. You will always have that one guy or two that are on the team that hesitate or are scared that want others to go first or slow down on purpose acting like he was there but was just waiting on the order to do something or render aid. Unfortunately you don’t know until you get into the situation in question if you have some men of iron will or men filled full of popcorn. I work armed security and we have one guy that gets calls for assistance but always arrives after the situation is over or was still en route or doesn’t escort someon off property then they break in to someone’s car and he always tries to find a way to blame it on others. You will always have these cowards there that are hard to expose until they’re involved in a situation with witnesses that understand tactical failures on someone’s part .
Uvalde showed America that police are no longer capable of protecting children so parents must do it themselves. Parents need to start showing up in large groups with firearms so law enforcement realizes that if they don’t act then parents will. No excuses…
Question has vice ever considered open a telegram chat to see how things evolve over time
Cops didn't go in simple stopped the parents going in...
The instructor is correct, these kinds of training have to be done regularly to create muscle memory & mental toughness. Uvalde was a sleepy town. Maybe their law enforcers treated this training as just another trophy or certificate on their wall. You guys are paid good money to SERVE & PROTECT! We didn't see you" line up ready to be piled up till the shooter was neutralised". When there is an active shooter especially in a school for small children, rules of engagement & chain on command should be thrown out the window till the shooter is NEUTRALISED!
You are so correct!
I agree. But cops just spent the last two years being pussified because of one over aggressive killer in Minneapolis. The ones that never touched Floyd are going to jail and the media jumped, wrongly, on Kenosha. We need to agree on clear expectations of law enforcement.
This proves that the military nature of active shooter events exists because of the presence of the effective killing weapon. The cops expect AR-15's to be what they're up against, and like the trainer said, this kind of event is unlike cops' usual activities...why? Because the assault rifle is what they're up against....all police forces and schools in the country face this same situation.
@2:20 the doors were not locked. Would be nice to have an overlay stating this on the video.
Where is the part when they stand outside and do nothing?
"Step 1: Do something"
Can train much as they can but won’t matter if they ain’t got the selflessness to go into danger to save children!
*“AFTER”…..Never forget*
"How they will respond!" You mean how law enforcement won't respond.
Oh my god they use real kids for this training. Can someone say emotional damaged!
Who cares
@@witness1013 The Kids care. Stop Responding to other People's comments if you don't care about them
@@wizkaqueefa9003 no, they don't though, how would you know. Anyhow, enough is enough, this is old now, get over it.
@@witness1013 Errmm the kids, obviously! Did you read the comment or are you just as broken as they will be.
@@wizkaqueefa9003 the kid is a volunteer, he's not forced to do this. if he's there, it's because he wanted to.
So how do they train to change their pee, poop and tear stained clothes while all the children are turned into swiss cheese and marinara?
The biggest barrier to training is the lack of staffing. Most police departments don't have the amount of patrol personnel to move to a model of 15-20% of an officer's work time to be training. In my opinion one work day per week should be spent on training, meaning defensive tactics, medical, deescalation, and yes active shooter response.
and most big cities are defunding their police departments through attrition, staffing only will only get worse.
@@tarheels9417
How will it get worse when they have all the equipment and don’t do Anything with it
@@Iamhim707 so your saying one incident in one city reflects on every single department in the country?
Lol all the training in the world isn't going to make those cowards run towards gun fire
After? One would think they were already trained over and over and over as a contingency given the ongoing shootings, massacres events throughout the country in the past 4 years or so. This is just beyond comprehension. RIP little ones and teachers.
Great video
Guy who owns police training business says the police need more training.
Does the training really matter when the cops that encounter these situations don't follow it?
according to the NRA Uvalde police did an excellent job: they were on site to protect the 2nd amendment rights of the shooter
Huh?
@@thegreataynrand7210 I think this is what we see when the last two braincells can't get their stories straight with each other 😂
That Uvalde cop is such a coward and needs to be held accountable.
why does it take 70 minutes for tactical unit to arrive?
I hope the police allow parents who are equally well qualified in tactical firearms and room clearing to be deputized to become force multipliers, especially if officers are down and/or not willing to go in. It's our kids on the line! Some of us are as well-armed or better armed than the police or the active shooters with state- of-the art firearms and Level IV body armor, along with thousands of hours of firearms training and practice. To be told that I can't go in would be infuriating. I've gone through this type of active shooter training many times over as a civilian.
I believe it's a civil duty as citizens to be well-trained in the effective employment of firearms. It's right there in the Bill of Rights, afterall: "A well-regulated militia..."
Dangerous cowards
As a student I’m afraid of these avents
Still can't believe this
Why don’t we send swat isn’t that there thing always training for events like that?
I'm pretty sure standing around your cop car drinking coffee doesn't require training.
Police-Brutality is covered by 'Some MOre News' epicly.
@@nenmaster5218 Cody ! Love him !
This is not going to work. Get the students out the building. Barricading the door and closing the blinds is a clear sign for a shooter to know you’re inside. Instead, give teachers guns and let them help out.
US teacher training be like lol
I am impressed of how much Americans put their efforts to keep things exactly same. More responsive security for mass shooting? That is ineffective and expensive in every single way.
Not near as expensive as sending billions to ukraine
How exactly is good security ineffective? After 9/11 almost every domestic flight has an armed plain clothes air Marshall on board. When was the last time a plane got high jacked since?
@@dropdead6969 Why diverting topic to Ukraine? And comparing school shooting to plane hijacking? Are these securities coming in to get plane hijackers in 15 min? You lack of grey matter dear 🤦
@@jaeger6846 Because paid poster. Got a double payout off this thread, even!
@@jaeger6846 it's fine sending billions to Ukraines security but we can't spend a penny on security for our schools. And yes airports and planes have insane security. You're saying security is pointless but obviously its not since it works for airports and planes
I do appreciate the perspective of we need to stop school shootings, because we do. But asking someone who's job it is to respond to an event, what the best way to stop said event from happening in the first place, kind of seems like a dig. I mean the guy is saying outright that cops need trained better. And until we do find a way to stop these horrible atrocities from happening, this guy and others like him will literally be doing the most we can from the sole perspective of response.
Side note I fully support defunding the police. But that means the fewer officers are going to have to be better trained and equipped by default.
police response is always just that, a response. you can still train for situations and at the same time maybe think about regulating gun sales to reduce the chances of mass shootings from happening in the first place. for now it looks like PDs are ok with them happening as long as politicians cover for them if they fail to respond and childrens' lives are lost, as long as they get to keep their budgets and training facilities get to see an increase in bookings.
I can’t believe that guy said school shootings happen infrequently, even though they happen weekly. What they don’t count if they’re in your state or city, so officers don’t try to study any of these incidents. Excuses, excuses, and excuses.
Statistically they are very infrequent. The media just blows them up every time and shows every single one.
@@redswift31 Statistically infrequent?
We have at least one daily.
If a stray bullet hits a school in the middle of the night (let's say in Chicago), it's considered a school shooting. The numbers you get from the media are not accurate at all. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws and you still won't hear about how many people get shot each day on the news.
@@redswift31 we are lucky to go anywhere from 1-3 months with zero shootings. And usually that's because it's summer break
No they do not.
Active Shooter Response course lesson No. 1
1. Find a safe area near the shooter and chill.
So why are they training if the just stand outside as a shooter kills and they do nothing!!!! 🤷🏻♀️
Can we see Another video
Super unrealistic. They heard gunshots and went in.
and they assumed there is only 1 shooter, could be 2, could be 3.
How much training do we give the people dealing these guns, which would be considered small arms and light weapons by most militaries? Do dealers have annual training to know which customers are highly suspicious?
‘I’m not putting up with this anymore.’
Such convening acting…
I guess the Uvalde Police skipped this class.
You need police alarms in all schools like fire alarms.
Should’ve done this 8 years ago
You know who wasn't trained at all to do the job they had to do? Capital police on January 6th. So you're telling me Caroline Edwards who never had any combat training could engage in multiple hours of hand to hand combat after being knocked unconscious with zero training but the Uvalde ISD police who's job it is to protect school children couldn't bother even though they had this training?
They received this training and still stood outside threatening parents for over an hour while children and teachers were still alive and bleeding out. Border patrol finally went in and took out the shooter. While Uvalde ISD let it happen. They have NO excuse. It's just pathetic
7+11 is 73
Was anyone killed ? No so why are u complaining #keepallguns #protectourconstitution #dontlistentothesesdemloosers
Most police agencies are trained to some level on riot control….
Jan 6 was a great day for freedom.
@@thegreataynrand7210 You are correct sir!!! It was a great day for freedom! For democracy too! Thank God 🙏🏼The people won and the will of the people was carried out as our forefathers intended. 🇱🇷
Also, I think they'll be a few people that would disagree with you soon on the freedom aspect since they'll be sitting in prison for the next couple decades. Like Enrique Tarrio and the tools that asked for pardons from the Don but didn't get them.
Why didn't they do that in Texas and waited almost 1 hour an a half a for the tactics to show up even though there was more than ten cops in front of the school because they know this is training and that was real, gets me so mad they let all the innocent kids die because "they were supposed to wait for tactics" than why are the other ten cops there for just standing around 😡🤬
if it's going to be unending training for active shooters, it should be paid for by a separate gun/bullet sales tax.
It's funny that we've been trained to think of police as hero's. As a whole they never show this.
Sucks they have to do this but it’s the world we live in