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Bible actually says, something about to those who can see and hear...so if they don’t know then they just don’t Fn know... free pass Appears that I cannot Type Er... spell
So often you hear stories of people losing their faith at the hands/mouths of others. We don't have every answer, WHY the hell do people keep running their mouths! If it's not a mouth runner it's a "Christian's" actions that turn others from GOD, like trying to "pray"/torture the gay away!
I did a video about this lol. You would go to hell. Not fire, burning you alive, forever. That's the second death. Which happens 1 thousand years after. Jesus comes back. Hell is essentially just like the Greek tales. There's a purgatory part. There's a torture part. And there's a good part. And then there's a paradise like area. In the new testament. In Luke 16. Lazarus. Goes to hell. Because Jesus didn't die yet. Which is the whole point of him dying. You don't have to go down there. Even if you are a good person. And go to the good part. And have to look across and at the evil people. Being boiled, and eaten. And all the rest of it. Which even if you're in paradise. It's kind of a mood killer. The entrance is supposedly in Rome. That place they've been eating and diddling kids for the last 4 thousand years.
Also something that I realized recently. It says he'll split the mount of olives in half. Supposedly to get people who were either good people. Or converted in hell, out of hell. Which means the good part, is supposed to be under Jerusalem. Meaning Hell for scope. Would stretch from Rome to Jerusalem underground. Which is part of the reason when they set up some wack idol in the 3rd temple. You're meant to run the hell out of the city and not stop to take anything. Because things are going to get insane after that. Zechariah 12:9 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward.
You know if any of the people who who led youth group said I don't know to those questions. I might still be religious cuz that would make more sense than whatever half-assed answer they gave me
It's a youth pastor, he probably doesn't even know the entirety of genesis let alone how to find the scriptures that interpret themselves. This is why I listen to biblical scholars research and confirm the bible, not a pastor who's getting paid a wage to do the will of God.
@@oreomasterr2242 yeah. It’s ok to admit you don’t know everything. Just bc one person doesn’t know the answer to something doesn’t mean there isn’t an answer.
@@bidensaidthenwordwithahard4838 I understand what you’re trying to say. Nothing wrong with doing some research my friend. I wish you the best in that journey
My favorite line when missionaries knock on our door and they ask "have you found Jesus yet?", I just reply " I didn't know I was supposed to be looking for him" or "I didn't know he was missing".
I used to be SO scared to witness to people as a kid for fears of damning them further by them rejecting christ. So much fun as a kid with intense OCD -_- I definitely tried to solve that by aggressively pressuring my close friends into becoming believers, very much against their consent and wishes until they caved. Awful for my friendships growing up!
When I was kid, someone told me about god and I asked where is god?? The person said everywhere, I couldn't sleep for few days cause I thought god following me everywhere, I cried so much that was scary 😭😭
That's the idea... Santa with his naughty and nice list is obviously training wheels for the concept of a judgemental god... the idea of being under constant surveillance is supposed to make you be "good", rule by terror.
@@rajidahae4220 I thought the same thing!! I've always viewed Santa as "God for kids". the problem is, people expected you to keep believing in God even after you've already stopped believing in Santa... for some reason unknown to me, the thought process applied to deduce that Santa was made up by authority figures to get you to behave _somehow_ wasn't supposed to carry over to how you think of God. when I realized Santa wasn't real, I soon figured God wasn't real, either... *especially* because of the surveillance thing. you are SO right about that. as a kid, i was freaked out by the idea of god being able to see everything I did and hear everything I thought, regardless of whether I felt comfortable with it.. it deprives you of autonomy and makes you constantly aware of your own actions and thoughts. you're scared to even *think* the wrong thing. it made me so uncomfortable and self-conscious, especially in regards to my body. I was uncomfortable and I didn't feel respected; I eventually came to think that, if God were real, and if he were good as Christians say he is, then he wouldn't do this to me.
@@weevilsneevilAll of that, same. I grew up so paranoid and still battle with it even after all this time. I used to be so scared to even change clothes in private. I hate that so many kids are fed this bs because the parents are too lazy to teach their kids properly about right and wrong. Too lazy to take a parenting class and read up on child psychology. It's because they feel they have all the answers with the big book full of wacky stories. Anyways, hope life's treating you well and if not hope things get better.
@@sal_7074 thanks :)) I relate to your struggles so much. i no longer believe in a god, but i still struggle with that feeling of surveillance; i also feel anxious when changing, even privately. it's been a journey, but i'm lucky to have grown up in a rather nonreligious household so separating myself from all of that was not too hard (physically.. but mentally, it takes time). i hope you're doing well, too..! :)
@Mann Person You need to know about Jesus and devote yourself to him, though. If you never even pick up a bible? Yeah you're definitely going to hell in Christianity
@Mann Person According to the Bible, you specifically need to accept Jesus Christ as your savior. Not God, Jesus. I'm not overcomlicating anything, you're just overanalyzing my comment. I said that if someone has never picked up a bible in their life, it's fair to assume that they aren't very familiar with the faith; It's very unlikely for someone in close proximity to a bible to never touch it, ESPECIALLY a practicing Christian
@@big_sk4ian424 but that still would not have lined up with the biblical timeline and there was no world wide flood. that's a fact. so I guess that just went from 99 to 100%
THE SUICIDE QUESTION HIT SO DIFFERENT!!!! My VBS leader said the same thing back when I was in highschool and I (currently depressed at the time) was like bro how is God gonna put you through these "tests" but not allow you to get out without punishment like ???
I was always told that mentally unwell people (as long as they’re kind and good at their core, past their complicated mental state) will go to Heaven. So I’m assuming it’s the same for people who are so depressed and trapped that they feel like there’s only one way out. Yeah it’s their decision, but it’s a decision they were pushed to by events out of their control (most of the time). Btw I’m not religious anymore, this is just what I was kinda told.
They said the same at my church, that people who take their own lives aren’t going to heaven, but then one of the jr pastors took his own life … and they said it wasn’t him who did it, but demons … and his souls is still going to heaven ……………..
@@BroadwayGarden that's a Nicolaite saying. People that take their owns lives are going to heel even If they had the perfect life in christ(that i doubt since they commites suicide). And yes there are some exception but it's TOO complicated and i especially don't know Exactly who could avoid this endind
My mom once made me go to a religious session where they were talking about mental health because i was really in a dark spot. They then proceeded to say "if you're feeling sad just pray to God and he'll make all the pain go away." I didn't know any of these people so I said nothing. In the past I was more religious and had tried to pray for the depression to go away but it never did. There are other reasons why I'm not very religious now as I used to be but they aren't relevant. Edit: I'm better than I was before emotionally. This was over a year ago I think.
I had an ex who's sister was going thru fucked up shit and that was all the parents dumbass response even tho maybe it's because of the abuse they all went thru because of y'all not there lack of faith in a bullshit religion
@Miriam Svenson also that somehow them being religious erases there problems from them as if all of them aren't abusing there kids and then couple years from now when there all fucked up just gonna say the same thing u need Jesus
Idk why act like if you pray one time it all comes true that’s not even close to how it works I really don’t like people that are like that and yea sure praying can help but also seeing a doctor that it’s their job to help you feel better cuz Ik praying does seem like a wast of not like it’s ganna help
I was asked this question when I was a kid by a friend. I didn’t know the answer but my mom said, “God will witness to people in anyway possible. But if they truly never heard about him or learned about him, then they wouldn’t go to hell. It’s about free will. God wants us to make that choice. And if they can’t, then they wouldn’t be punished for that.” She would also use this argument for people who were physically/mentally unable to make that decision. Which I agree with. But I think as Christians, we need to start saying we don’t know to answers instead of giving weird confusing answers that don’t make sense or are confsuing
You are my kind of human being. Not christian btw. But it's better to say you don't know than give bad arguments and then claim someone's being willfully blind when they poke holes at what you're saying
as a muslim i agree! i think intention and free will are super important and people try to find every specific answer within the texts they believe in, when not everything is gonna be there. intention is so overlooked too, people would rather go to church every sunday than address how their behaviors don’t align with their beliefs.
Exactly! No need to pretend like you know. I just thank them for such an interesting question and let them know I'm not sure or would need to do some reading on it. I do the same thing with my clients and address it at the next session after reading the relevant research. It's so much worse to pretend to speak from authority when you are making it up.
God doesn’t exist, is stupid to believe in a book that has no author, that they just invented or wrote off of gossip and hearsay… honestly, religion is just fools food
Sounds like my Mom's answer when we asked about children dying. "It's about free will and children are innocent so no, there are absolutely no children in hell." Which made me wonder where God's cut-off age is.
I don’t think I ever had just one moment that made me say “enough” to religion, I’ve just been in a constant state of existential crisis since middle school lol. I’m 26 years old and I finally came out to my mom as agnostic, and she was pretty supportive. 😂
Fellow Atheist here, so I used the Google voice search thing- and uhh I asked " What is the difference between Atheist and Agnostic." Because I'm a curious human being :P I did this 3 times and nothing popped up- Correction: I had to type it out And now I think I should look more into an Agnostic Atheist- because this sounds more intriguing and sounds closer to what I usually think. :) Have a good day💜
@@agustdsuga7701 Hello! I’m actually not an atheist, just agnostic. I don’t believe that God doesn’t exist, but that I don’t know whether he exists or doesn’t exist.
Glad your mom was supportive. I told my parents I had questions at 16 and instead of listening they just blew me off so I went to leave the room. My mom screams out "grab him!" And my dad grabs my arm and they start praying in fucking tongues to "cast out the demon" that was OBVIOUSLY possessing me. Lmao. I literally cackled out loud and walked away after they were done. I just couldn't believe that shit. That was really what pushed over the edge and into atheism. Which I remained for years until I realized I was being close minded like a religious person and opened up into a more agnostic view. Now after many shrooms and acid trips, I've come to believe there isn't a "God" so much as just a force of life that exists out there somewhere. Idk my views change as I take in new information.
Someone in my school tried to take his life and the pastor said as any sin, it can be forgiven. If they are scaping a hell we humans pushed upon them jesus wouldn't send them to another. They should be shown compassion not punishment, we failed them not the other way around. I'm not religious but that stayed with me. EDIT: PLEASEEE, this comment is not an invitation for you to try to say how much you disagree and do believe they are going to hell or discredit & devalue the pastor. Keep that to yourself. I'm just sharing my experience, you can share yours respectfully and we can learn another view together. For anything else DON'T COMMENT here, Thanks & remember google exist.
not religious either, but what I think that pastor meant was that the suicide attempt wasn't successful, so the person in question would still "have time to repent for their sins" so to speak
@@kevin_dasilva no no, he was talking about suicide in general, failed attempt or not, sins can be forgiven in the afterlife, and there are circumstances where the suicide can be forgiven as is dying by your hands as a sacrifice to save a loved one for example. He basically said the biggest sinners were the ones who bullied him into it. The kid was consumed by the pain others had caused him, it wasn't a rational desition and even tho he had sinned it could be forgiven but we should repent too as we failed him or were the cause of his pain. I think it was his way of fighting against bullying and it got me, seeing a pastor calling out a community for allowing that to happen and basically calling them hypocrites for calling a 16yo kid (and those who have commited suicide) a sinner when there were the product of our own sins was fire 🔥 Will never forget that lesson.
@@Nicolas-fm8dz most traditional people think so, I think it's sad to punish a soul for being broken by the cards god himself gave him. I understand taking a life is not something to appreciate, and to considered wrong and sinful. But condemning them for eternity is too much. Why can a mass murderer and r*pist be forgiven but not an innocent kid who society failed? If god is love as they say I'm sure he will forgive them. Idk much about Quran but at least in the bible there is only one unforgivable sin, and suicide is not it, but to each their own.
As a very religious Christian I believe u can only go to hell or heaven base on ur faith in Jesus as ur lord and savior Committing suicide is a sin but can be forgiven
that was one of the ideas that led to me being an atheist: there are thousands of religions and sects all over the world, all claiming to know the one absolute truth. It's preposterous and selfish to think that someone isolated from cultures outside their own might come to the revelation of a specific god, although one can look at nature and be struck with wonder and awe. whether or not you believe in a god or gods, the fact that we exist and that the universe exists is quite amazing.
Same reason i became an omnist. No one person or group has ever had all the right answers throughout history no matter how many they might have or how popular they are. And yeah, nature is an amazing bit of life and I don't think many western religions or western cultures focus on it enough
@@aKjohn8798 how is that a retort? I could literally say that about any fiction al creature/being be it unicorn or Spiderman and by that logic you wouldnt be able to disagree By that logic why not believe everything with no grounded evidence Why not believe a guy in spandex who shoots webs? Or a goose who lays golden eggs? Or a mutated sponge that lives in a pineapple under the sea and works at an underwater fastfood restaurant?
I got kicked out of Sunday school for asking to many blasphemous questions, was resided to the piers with my mom and was terrified there was a man screaming at everyone while they just stare back at him so I cried a lot from the sheer creepiness
One time my “friend” was trying to evangelize me and i asked her that question and she started crying bc i was “attacking her religion.” Edit: for context, she was v manipulative and would cry or threaten to k*ll herself all the time to get me to do what she wanted. Not trying to say anything abt christianity, just thought it was a funny story tbh 😅
My family isn't religious, but one time, my mom forgot to pick me up from a sleep over, and I had to go to church with the family.Everyone else was wearing dresses ans suits and I was in flannel pajamas. And when it came time to sing the first song that they were singing, I didnt know the words, so I started saying the pledge of allegiance. To clarify, this was the American pledge of allegiance and we were in Panama.
Actually it makes me sad that this is the case with so many churches. Im lucky enough to have found a church where they care and actually love it when people ask questions! They even have live Q&As with the pastors and they use the Bible with direct citations to answer. They are all also more than willing to admit that the don't know the answer and then they take the time to search the Bible for the answer!
I agree! I no longer attend church, but I remember being taught that hell is not a punishment for those who are truly ignorant. Once you are aware then you are responsible, but for someone who has no clue? How could they be destined for hell when they don’t even know anything about heaven or hell? I also don’t think that verse applies to the situation this person is speaking about, and the youth pastor chose a very poor verse to make his very incorrect point.
@@havtor007 he's right the pastor didn't know what he was talking about. This is why we must read the scriptures for ourselves. God said How shall they believe in him whom they have not heard?” (Romans 10:14). Sin is not taken into account when there is no law” (Romans 5:13). There our plenty of scriptures disproving what this pastor said.
There was a point in my life where i was really contemplating taking my life and my familys only response to be trying to talk about my feelings was “ok but you’ll go to hell” LIKE DAMN
Similar thing, my ex-gf's mother told me she accepted Jesus because people had told her about Jesus and hell and how hell was so bad and she "got so deathly afraid of it" she converted on the spot. Like, really? Your whole reason to believe in something is because you believe you'll suffer for eternity?
My cousin tried an eating disorder when she was a teenager and got grounded for wasting food, if you are going to get an eating disorder in my family, you better commit to it by starving yourself. Oh and mention suicide, they would walk you over to the oven, put your hand over the fire and give you a preview and say, now do it!
There isn't really an answer that anyone can give other than simply, we don't know. God could have come to them in a dream, that's happening at an insane rate among the Muslim population right now and many Muslims are turning to Christ because of it. Look it up here on YT, it's really interesting. He could also judge them by the law, just like He will do with those that refuse Him. The Bible says the law wasn't given to the Gentiles (meaning anyone that isn't a Jew), but it is written on our hearts. The problem is that we _all_ break the law, no matter how "saintly" we might be. The law is absolute to an extent, and the payment, or what we owe, for our sin is death. Not physical death, spiritual death, so separation from God. Jesus died on the cross to pay that debt for us, we only have to accept the gift (Ephesians 2:8-9) God gave us. However, those that haven't heard the Good News, I have no doubt God will be merciful. He is a merciful, loving God, after all. I go into more detail in my other comment (not in reply to anyone), but there really isn't a much better answer. Maybe an answer that's worded better, or that gives reference to Scripture, but we just don't know. We're human, we can't know everything and we don't have all the answers, but if we study the Bible, we can have understanding...even if we can't communicate it very well. I hope that you find what you're looking for, the best advice I can give you is to pray about it and read His Word. 🙂
@@rossferguson9653 I think she just meant that one, it isn't us; two, it won't be our decision; and three, God has a plan, He knows what He's doing. That doesn't mean we shouldn't care or that we shouldn't share the Gospel, just that God has more information than we do so we shouldn't _worry._ As far as blind faith goes, all of us that have believed since Christ ascended back into Heaven have blind faith. He isn't here in the flesh, we believe without seeing Him...and we are blessed for doing so: *John 20:29* "Jesus said unto him, 'Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed. Blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed.'"
@@RoynonBabies organized religion is bonkers lol. It’s all stories made up by other humans. For a variety of intentions bud mostly to control people. literally since childhood you’re threatened with not getting into heaven for acting however they see as incorrect
If you don't know the laws of God then you won't be judged by them. The Bible says that in Romans. It amazes me that people who claim to teach the Bible don't actually know the words. I've got my own take on things but at least I've read religious scripts.
@@mattiOTX I’m personally Christian and I don’t think you should take advice from and or believe solely what the pastor is saying without taking it with a grain of salt because if there not directly quoting the Bible because anything else they say is there way of explaining or the genral way of explaining it. Anyways I am curious does the Bible say what happens to them if there not judged of gods law? Like anything generally specific?
There's a funny anecdote by an author (Dillard) about a missionary coming to an Inuit village and speaking to a man there. They talk about Christianity and at the end the Inuit guy asks, "So, are all of my ancestors burning in hell forever then??" And the missionary thinks about it and says, "Well, no. If they never heard the Good Word then they couldn't have known, so they're not in hell" and the Inuit man thinks about that and asks, "So, if no one tells you about God, then you don't go to hell, because you have to know first?" And the missionary is like, "Well, yeah." The Inuit man nods and looks him in the eye, "Ok. So then why did you tell me???" Btw I was raised Christian and started having an issue around 8 when I was told my mom was a heathen who would burn in agony for eternity unless I saved her soul. That is a seriously fkked up thing to say to a kid, first off, and it made me oppositional to them. God put an 8 year old in charge of saving a soul??? Great plan. Anyway that made me more interested in my own culture (the heathens lol) and now I work for my people and don't believe a word of Christianity. I enjoy Gandhi's quote, "I like your Christ but I don't like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ"...
NO NO NO… There is something called special revelation and there is general revelation. Special is when God touches you directly either through the Christian’s of the world or the word of God. General revelation is God’s creation- The Universe and is something that Christians and only Christians can use to appreciate God with. it can’t teach people about Jesus. So in short the people who don’t know about Jesus go to hell. It’s our job to spread the word and save them. God already did his part for us by saving us from our sins. This guys pastor was just bad
I think this video just shows the variety of Christians that exist, because I've talked about these topics with my dad who is a pastor, and he gives answers that make much more sense to me as a Christian
@@pqcowboychanel No matter what I say, this is just going to lead to a hateful argument. I just wanted people to know that different Christian denominations have varying beliefs, so what one person says about their Christian experience isn't true for all Christians.
@@IcePenguin1122 it doesn't need to be a hateful argument. I find discussion of religion can be important and respectful. Just depends on the people and the conversation. I'm really curious to see what answers you were given because I've never seen an answer that works
for me, someone asked a similar question except the answer given was that they would go to heaven but if anyone even mentioned god to them they would go to hell and it made me wonder why we would try to convert ppl who've never heard of god if it wouldn't actually cause them harm?
You can't deny the truth to a person in name of their "sake", because that would be also deny all the posibilities of real fredom and happiness. (English is my second lenguage so, please, let me know if I couldn't make me understand).
@@isabelacordeiro659 in your opinion I guess- but I don’t believe in the spiteful Christian god either so in my opinion I’m better off believing what I do currently and not forcing my own beliefs onto others like a Christian would.
@@isabelacordeiro659 when something like eternal damnation is on the line its better to let someone live their life however without knowing about God if it means they avoid that. Especially since Christians are taught that life in the material, fallen world is unimportant as far as success and pleasure goes. To open someone up to the possibility of eternal damnation when they would otherwise be spared is cruel and illogical. It doesn't make any sense to do it like that if you really care about other people.
It honestly brings me comfort seeing other people struggling with their faith. I started really questioning it about a year ago (I'm 33) and it has started to affect my life. But seeing that other people feel the same way makes me feel better about not knowing what to believe anymore.
Mine was when I used to love the planets and space (what 13-14 year old kid doesn’t) and I loved thinking about how every started and how huge the universe is and my youth pastor guy said to not think about anything past planet earth because it will make you go insane. And I was sitting there like wtf
Well that's incredibly misguided "wisdom" God created the heavens and the earth. The entire earth echoes of a creator and creation echoes His glory. All of nature, and all the universe is to be looked in awe and wonder. It shows God's creation
That was a human interpretation of soemthing that person knew nothing about. I took astronomy and they couldn’t even figure out how planets were made in the first place. The more you look into science the more it should point to god. Truth doesn’t hide. If what that dude said rubbed you as wrong then truth has to exist. And you figured out that much on your own.
@@aidenbohannon5377 not everything is written in the bible. Besides, thats not the catholic belief on people who grow up and die without knowledge of the faith. You think catholicism never reasoned that bullshit out?? When infants die?? Its a trilliondillion years old, they have reasoning for it.
@@conradomota1000 i mean im , ig people would call “mormon” . and people who never knew of jesus , dont go to hell. and people who take their lives also dont go to hell. that’s mainly because mormons don’t believe in hell, just an outer darkness(basically you’re in the dark mentally like you were when you were alive). i honestly can’t answer whether or not for sure if you get the chance to get out of outer darkness, but i’d like to think so.
@@aubreybland2754 what if… it’s all made up. Really think about that man. Maybe you are truly lost while under the belief you are on the right path.. If you feel like questioning your belief and identity is too scary.. maybe that’s the problem.
@@conradomota1000 the Bible does make reference us to being judged by the law of our hearts meaning our morality. It does imply that morality is objective but also implies that it can be inherently known. When you hurt someone else and you cry, it doesn’t take being told wrong and right to realize to some extent that it’s wrong to hurt another person. Additionally, God is a forgiving god so understandably while we cannot know for certain, we can assume rightly that had someone never even had the chance to know Jesus, they would be forgiven for not knowing so. Take children who unfortunately pass early. Is it reasonable for that child who has yet to know God to be judged as harshly for their sins? No. In the same vein, those people won’t be judged the same as those who do know him and his sacrifices through Jesus. Nothing in scripture can back that they will. All we know is what we ought to do but we can make reasonable assumptions based on the nature of God.
I don’t know how it works in Christianity, but in Judaism someone that doesn’t know the practices of Judaism isn’t “accountable” for not being religious. It’s called “Tinok Shenishba” (תינוק שנשבה)
It literally says in the Bible that if people haven’t heard “the Word” then they can be judged upon their hearts and their choices of what they know to be right and wrong. If God is omnipresent then he knows if people would accept Christ if they heard the Word or not.
Why not just judge everybody that way then??? It seems kinda megalomaniacal of god to be like, “yeeeaaaah but you knew about me and never went to church so have fun buuuuurning 😉”
@@Ergoperidot you don’t go to hell for not going to church, all the answers to your questions are in the Bible, but If you don’t want to read the Bible I can give you verses and try to explain the answer your question.
What made me rethink was my youth pastors wife saying if our husband wanted us we had to give ourselves to them and I asked what if you don’t want to and every adult in the room straight up ignored me and I asked twice just in case they might’ve not heard me.
I think the point is more that if you aren’t open to that you probably shouldn’t have married in the first place. One of those self sacrificial prerequisites of being married is to give up your self priorities/desires that contradict in marriage. I mean if I was married and my wife wants to bang even if I didn’t want to I’d be obliged to and the expectation is mutual. There’s many statements in the Bible about how men are supposed to give sex to their wives as well. The biblical marriage is honestly the perfect example of a how to guide for death due us part modern marriages. People just don’t want to live under it or don’t know how to or fail to or break oaths for exactly the reason marriages fail. They only think of the self rather than the marriage as themselves. Marriage comes with expectations standards duties and responsibilities and cherry picking things with no context is the failure of the teacher not the student. The Bible preaches the concept of self denial as a form of self love because by denying the standards accountability and desires we hold as human beings and instead doing your best to hold yourself to standards desires and the accountability set by a perfect being you meet the greatest possible state of self.
@@_gold_eye_2656 i dunno man, my husband can always just use his left hand and I can use a vibrator or smth instead of basically forcing themselves to have sex with me when he isn’t in the mood. Then again, I won’t get married to a dude that doesn’t know his limits.
@@oncefighting I don’t find masturbation to be wrong and if it’s agreed upon go ahead. Frankly speaking some people masturbate almost as a self medication to prevent themselves from thinking with their lower half. I hated being a teenager for that one reason. I think Socrates or Plato said something about Libido as being chained to madness.
@@oncefighting and the Bible isn’t actually a hard rule book when it comes to lifestyle choices 100% it’s honestly more of a guidebook than a collection of hard rules. But it’s a guidebook you should do your best to meet where you can is pretty much the point Christians make. Again literally holding someone accountable to divine standards isn’t an easy or even feasible task to a being born of sin and with limitations of self.
@@oncefighting but the point I’m mostly getting at is the Biblical claims of duties and responsibilities of a husband and wife to each other and the accountability of being shackled in marriage is just trying to tell you the I before We argument in marriage doesn’t work and that you should be married under We before I and giving a list of things you’re supposedly supposed to do for that to work out.
The whole center of Christian salvation is taking responsibility for actions initially and the reward for it (that's the simple version at least). You take full responsibility, you admit you've done wrong, you ask to be forgiven. Then God quite literally forgives and forgets! People think when they die God will have a list of everything they did wrong and use it to decide where you go. This is not true. if you truly believe and most importantly, Love him, and have owned up to your mistakes, he will see no fault in you as he has already shouldered your burden! I find that people mostly make opinions on faith (whether for or against it) based on what people tell them, which is ok in moderation. Don't take my or anyone else's word for it. If you really want to have an informed opinion, study the bible. And I mean REALLY study it, read verses in a couple different versions or do a quick Google search to look at the context behind how a word was used when the Bible was written or even just read it in general! And if you still disagree, that's okay! You informed yourself, which is more than most people do!
My mom had drug-induced delusions about the Catholic Church. When I got out of her home and went to live with my grandma, I couldn’t get some of her questions out of my head. Like, why _do_ we all chant call-and-response style? If that’s really his body and blood we’re consuming, how _is_ this different from cannibalism? The questioning began with the trauma of my mom doing drugs, but the questions remained regardless.
This is so relatable... And when you ask questions they can't answer its "well read the bible... You'll find your answers there"... I read it. Didn't answer my questions lol
NO NO NO… There is something called special revelation and there is general revelation. Special is when God touches you directly either through the Christian’s of the world or the word of God. General revelation is God’s creation- The Universe and is something that Christians and only Christians can use to appreciate God with. it can’t teach people about Jesus. So in short the people who don’t know about Jesus go to hell. It’s our job to spread the word and save them. God already did his part for us by saving us from our sins. This guys pastor was just bad
Technically the correct answer to his question is "according to the catechism a person who doesn't know God but lives a good life classifies as an anonymous Christian, and therefore can go to heaven."
Thats exactly why missionaries should be banned from these countries. If they didn't go around telling people about Jesus, those people would go to heaven. But now they won't, because Blabbermouth McKee got on a plane, flew over there and told them about Jesus and effectively sent them all to hell.
My brother had a friend in sixth grade who died in an atv accident, and he was in youth group and only mentioned that it happened and he wanted to pray for it, and another kid said you know he went to hell…. And my brother went home and cried in the car to my mom and never went to youth group again. It’s sad cause the kid was brought up that way but it affected my brother so much
I was brought to church/Sunday school every week my entire childhood. I remember thinking from a VERY early age that none of this makes any sense at all. I concluded that I was just born a critical thinker.
@@seabassgamboa9143 they are things people think are true, but there is no evidence to support it. They are supposed to make sense so people actually think they are true
@Kate Moore in the episode, the kids asked the pastor (priest? I don’t know) if their handicapped friend Timmy (who could only say his name and nothing else) would go to hell because he couldn’t confess his sins in confession. They were told yes, he would.
What I was taught was "if someone who never had the chance to learn about God or Jesus had died.. but had they had the chance, they would've accepted Jesus.. they would have the opportunity to accept it after death."
@@noahr3059 Hi Noah, your question wasn’t directed to me, but as a Christian this very issue was something that really bothered me for a long time. I hadn’t read my Bible well enough to know that this question has been answered. It basically comes down to this - one’s own conscience will condemn him or her. This hypothetical person has judged something is wrong in her own mind, but does it anyway. She has offended her own conscience, and is guilty of not even meeting her own standard. God’s is next level. I’d like to provide you with a more thorough answer with references if you are interested. What I can say for sure is that the pastor in this situation utterly failed this gentleman. I’m sorry to say that it happens far too often, and it breaks my heart.
@@dlogan74 if you were born in that persons location you wouldnt find jesus, and you would be sentenced to hell how is that okay with you? Like you said our conscience is self destructive so why would God bring people into this world who have LITERALLY 0% chance of reforming.
Damn this is what I think all the time- as someone whose been going to church since I was in diapers, one day, a lightbulb went off and boom, that shit made no sense to me.
Dude my mom made me abandon any and all religions based off of everything she’s ever said about “what it means” to be Christian. She still expects me to go to church with her tho…
Same here. For me it was the entire idea of Jesus’ sacrifice. God sacrificed himself to himself to make himself forgive us for things he made us do and let anyone into heaven as long as they accepted Jesus… so literally the kindest most amazing person ever would go to hell if they didn’t believe and a serial child r*pist and murderer would go to heaven if they did. Even if the Bible was true; that’s not a god I want to worship
@@Fetidaf Doesn't work like that, you don't go to heaven because you believe and that's it, the bad things you do daily don't just go away because you believe in God. Jesus's sacrifice is forgiveness for everything mankind did, has done and will do. But what's forgiveness when you are not sorry?, that's what matters, that you truly regret the bad things you do and that you say sorry. When you are sorry and you say it, you are forgiven, you wouldn't hate your children for anything they did, yes, you would be ashamed and who knows, even regret they were born, but never hate them. That's what God does with sin, he doesn't say "This is to bad to be forgiven, you go to hell, hmm this is a mild sin, you go to heaven" sin is sin and that's it. You are truly sorry in your heart? He forgives you, he already did when he died in the cross, but you have to make that forgiveness count when you talk to him, you build a relation, you repent from your sins. I hope you get it, either way, I love you and he does too.
@@Fetidaf luckily, that's not how God works. Plenty of religions like to add and adjust the few things we do know, and it never makes for a compelling reason to believe in God.
I won't stammer: according to the Bible in revelations all who have never heard of Jesus ,dead or alive, would stand before God and given the chance to repent and believe in him during Armageddon.
I lost my religion when I was sitting in church listening to the preacher teach the parable of Jesus and the money lenders. While he was talking, I looked back into the lobby and saw an ATM machine next to the door. That was enough for me
@@lklein9262 If I walk down the street talking to my invisible friend Bobby, I'd be locked up But if I talk to my invisible friend Jesus, I'm normal. How utterly ridiculous is that?
@@DerezzedMan the most ignorant reason would be "because I don't want to" with no further explanation. Mack makes a decent point that those who are preachers aren't always that great of people and according to many iterations of Christianity, they are necessary to reach God's potential in us so of they can't practice what they preach, how can we follow it?
I abandoned the faith when I became disgusted with the incompetence and corruption of the church, I returned when I stopped blaming them for being flawed human beings. I focus on my own path and I encourage others to do so, the church can’t fulfill its purpose unless we clean up its parts. Hypocrisy, self righteousness and greed are our greatest enemy now.
@@frank_9128 Agreed. The best metaphor I could think of is that we are all climbing a mountain trying to reach the top. Each of us has chosen our own path but religion is wasting its time by running around trying to convince us that we are going the wrong way
Omg that’s never how I interpreted that verse. Like, almost every human culture has associated the power of creation with a deity creator. You’ll know God by the wind and the trees, it don’t mean Yahweh and Jesus is written in the clouds
The problem with that interpretation is those deities are essentially idols, so the people worshipping them would still be screwed for breaking a commandment.
Vro u really tryna say EVERYONE gonna be walkin around they village see trees blowing in the wind and surely they all will end up assuming some higher power made it? Bc if nobody ever told me anything about God or whatever I honestly don't think it would ever cross my mind, instead I'd search for an actual person who is advocating for humanity and be their follower fuck the trees
@@KermitxSmash I always felt it meant, you can't see the wind.... but you can see the effects of the wind through the trees. You can't see God but you can see his work by his people. True Christianity not poor man's country club Christians.
For me it was when I expressed I wanted to be a therapist and some kid the same age as me told me that it's bullshit since all they had to do was pray to God to make there depression go away. "Oh dear Lord.... I pRAY MY AUTISM AWAY PLEASE LORD PLAESE."
The irony of me finding God during my psychology degree is not lost. I hope you may still pursue your career and your spirituality. I have prayed for help with my own mental health. I ended up finding a great therapist and psychiatrist. I was diagnosed with ADD this year at 23 😵 God can work a miracle or work through people around us. I hope to encourage Christians to pray and seek therapy. Why not both, right?
@@geekyogurtcup I understand people have religion and it does in fact help them, I'm fine with that, but please do not try and attempt to make me Christian. I do not believe in any god whatsoever and nothing can change that.
One of my earliest childhood memories is being very young sitting in Sunday school just thinking to myself that all this stuff doesn't make sense at all... I was like 3 or 4...
My mother asked me when I was about 15, “Son do you still believe in god”? I said “Mum, when aliens come from outer space and they are wearing crucifix’s then I will believe” As a tear rolled down her cheek I realised a simple “No” would have sufficed
I always believed in Science. One day when I was like 12-13 I just went, “hey, I know objectively that there was no Adam and Eve, no Garden of Eden, because of the Theory of Evolution. I know that bad things happen to good, god-fearing people all the time despite prayers and sacrifices. I know that some parts of the bible concerning things like slavery, divorce, and women’s rights I vehemently disagree with, and also I don’t know how God themself would’ve been able to write it down and ensure it was never mistranslated or changed to fit an agenda. So why do I still believe in it all? I’m a modern and free thinking person, so why do I still believe in something with little to no proof for and and overwhelming evidence against it?” So I came to the conclusion that the only reason I still believed in it was societal pressure and I fear of having to explain it to my (relatively religious) mother. So I just sat up and said I was an Atheist. Edit: wow you guys are really aren’t pleased in the comments lol.
I too always have believed in science and was stunned when I found out my family did not. I can't say a specific reason why I became an atheist, but I do remember one moment I watched a UA-cam video that debated religion, the arguments made so much sense, and since then, I have been a strong standing atheist. Maybe I was already an atheist by then, my memory isn't good, but that video definitely sparked something.
i think you can believe in science while still being religious. many people simply follow religion as a way to live better lives, to give them a sort of road map. religion often promotes kindness, charity, and empathy. being religious is about sticking to these principles, which are told through symbolic stories in religious texts that usually aren’t interpreted literally in modern times. while science may disprove some of the literal meaning of religious texts, the messages and their significance still remain.
Two enormous problems with your logic, you said you agree with science, which funny enough doesn't disagree with the Bible. You used the theory of evolution as a selling point, which is funny because the definition of theory suggests that it cannot be taken as fact. Imeven if it is true, it is likely that it even credits the Bible, saying that Adam and eve are the first modern humans. Everything before that wasn't an actual human. Part 1/2
Can we first acknowledge that no where does the Bible state that there is a fiery place of torment. “For the dead are conscious of nothing”. Second, heart condition is a major factor, whether someone has heard of Jesus or not. “There will be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteousness.” Christianity has been twisted to scare people into worshiping a vengeful God when nothing is further from the truth. I’m so sorry you experienced that.
Yeah I actually think I wouldn’t hate the idea of religion so much if it wasn’t for all the people. Some bad Christian’s and religious people just use their faith to hide behind the bad choices they make and things they say.
@@ExSpheriment ya lol. The Bible is very clear on hell. It even talks about fire and brimstone, so basically it says you're breathing burning sulfur in hell.
I lost my faith when I cut my hair and my pastor talked to me about how being gay is a sin so you’re going to hell. Even though I literally just cut my hair. And one time I brought my black cousin to church with me and they were superrrr racist
If I remember correctly from my time at church, The Bible says that those who have never had the chance to be witnessed too or had the chance to know Jesus are spared from the flames. My former youth pastor told me that this applies mostly to children and babies who die before being saved and also applies to situations of people who never grew up knowing that the gospel exists.
But it's not possible in the age of the internet not to know that Christianity (or any major religion) exists. And Christians are 31% of the global population. So about 70% of all the people currently alive will go to hell for not being Christian despite knowing about Christianity?
@@bicuriousdirtbikeboi2594 which village? Most of rural Africa does have access to television, although I'm sure there must be one or two villages that don't have it. But since most of Africa is Christian or islamic anyway, even a villager without TV would be hard pressed to claim they've never heard of Christianity.
This sounds like a bad pastor. I was always told that God makes exceptions for good people who had reason as to not be holy and allows them into heaven. If someone on the sentinel islands, who have no contact with the outside world was a good person I would think God would welcome them to heaven.
Yeah, even if you don’t accept Jesus as your savior you can still go to heaven if you were a good person, it’s just god judges you because you didn’t accept Jesus’s sacrifice for your sins.
@@Chriscraft-ug3sz then the best way to get to heaven becomes not ever telling someone about Jesus so they don't have to reject the msg and go to hell. This still doesn't make any sense
@@deanned1315 not necessarily. In this case, if all that matters is that you were a good person, hearing about Jesus wouldn't necessarily make a difference. I don't know If it's supported by the Bible but it's not as bad of a system
I was always told that feeling emotional or getting chills from music was good speaking to me. Turns out I just like music. And also, saying that animals don’t have souls and therefore don’t feel emotion or go to heaven always put me off from religion. If my animals aren’t in heaven, I don’t think I’d want to be there either.
“Wind in the trees” definitely just means “word travels fast” and that you should have heard of it even if nobody has taught you individually, which realistically is the case. But in general, organized religion is a sham and ruins the idea of faith which is essential for living a good and honorable life.
@@Amazonuser1717 it is when society keeps shifting the norms and moral compass to suit their agenda. We need authenticity and unchanged religion. Like Islam And before anyone says it 🙄 Terrorists are weirdos who are on a vengeance, simply led astray like those ‘pastors’ or white collar terrorists
@@AlhamdulillahiRabbalalameen I mean idrk what point your trying to make but I’m not faithful to any religion and I believe I live a “good and honorable life”. I don’t need to believe in an almighty power to keep myself in check
In elementary, I asked "how do you know this is the right religion?" "Because it's been around the longest." Even at that age I was like wait... what? No it hasn't...
This!! Christianity isn’t even the oldest Abrahamic religion and wouldn’t even exist today if it weren’t for Judaism… Jesus himself was Jewish!! Even if you were to completely cast aside the polytheistic religions that predate Christianity, Judaism would have to be the “Religion that’s been around the longest” by their views.
Someone at my school just told me that it’s the right religion because people use “goddamn” and “Jesus Christ” as swear words, which means that the “devil” is influencing them and if the devil exists Jesus exists. Well of course we live in a majority Christian country in a majority Christian influenced world of course those are the swears you hear. In reality religion is just a humans way of comprehending death, morality, and nothingness/foreverness. We can not really comprehend anything after death so we make things up based off of stories written hundreds of years after the supposed events in history also known as the Bible. It’s a great fantasy novel, it has good and bad lessons in it but that’s just it, it is a fantasy.
I HAVE SIMILAR STORIES but i’m catholic anyways when i went to catholic school my teachers would say that to go to heaven you can’t sin (which is bullshit because everyone’s sins everyday like tattoos, lying, wearing mixed material clothes, sex before marriage, etc) no one is that perfect like even my teachers sinned so based on what they told me they’re going to hell my entire childhood i prayed and prayed and talked and talked to god but i never felt any sort of connection and i never felt like anyone was there listening i also thought that a lot of beliefs people had were personal beliefs and not of the bible like being gay or something like that and you know i’ve had many people tell me that’s it’s looked down upon by god but others have told me it’s perfectly fine and god will love me no matter what also the whole adam and eve shit felt like bullshit to me and evolution just felt for plausible to me so yes i’m an atheist but sometimes i still find myself praying to god because.... i want him to take away something from me :)))
Hey, man. I am Catholic and think u may have understood some stuff wrong, especially about going to Heaven. It is true that we believe we have to be sinless to go to Heaven but it doesn't mean we should NEVER have sinned. That's absolutely impossible for a regular human being like me or u, just as you said. As for the rest, the Adam and Eve part is not necessarily to be taken word for word. Evolution and Adam and Eve can coexist. I mean that in a way that the Earth was created in 7 days as in to represent that it was created in a period of time (through evolution). You see that it is metaphorical when it is said in the Bible that light was created before day (on two separate days of the week). This is not my opinion only but also the interpretation of the Church and many prominent priests (check out Fr. Mike Schmidt). I don't know any Catholic who is creationist (I am not saying they don't exist, but I have met my own fair share of Catholics haha). As for the other concerns, I will need to read your comment again as it is very late here and I have already forgotten haha. I hope I did not come accross as condescending or anything. I just want to help ♡ Pls ask me if u have any questions of course, although I am no scholar but an 18-year-old revert.
@@noemie6804 there's still problems with that interpretation though. Like if you can sin anyway, does sin matter at all as long as you repent at the end? How do you know what is and is not metaphor? It's only a metaphor when it contradicts itself? What about the things that are sins that aren't really wrong? Why is wearing clothes made of more than one material a sin? What about pork and shrimp? Sex before marriage? All things that don't really have any reason to be considered sin
You can believe in the Story of Creation and in the Theory of Evolution. Many events in the Bible have at least some historical pretense, like Noah's flood, as there was a massive flood thousands of years ago at the end of the last ice age that put large parts of the world, particularly Mesopotamia, underwater. The Santorini Volcanic Eruption is a likely suspect as the cause for the plagues of Egypt. We must keep in mind that while although the Bible is the word of God, those words were inscribed by men, men who probably did not have a very good understanding of science or many historical events.
@@wakandaforever2401 that's kinda my point. Many Christians like to claim that the Bible is perfect and literal in its meaning, when that just doesn't match up with reality. It was written by men who introduced their own biases and beliefs, so you can't really tell what was inspired by God and what wasn't. In that way, you're able to clear up most of the inconsistencies within Christianity but leaves you without any real information
the thing about suicide was one of the things that threw me off, really. like as far as i know, you must be sane and mentally stable to be held responsible for your actions. but then again if a person is so far gone that they take their own life? doesn't sound like something a stable person would do to me. yet they're still told to be destined to hell
Several years ago someone I loved committed suicide and I was so upset, with the idea of him going to hell even though he was such a good person, that my super religious uncle read through the whole Bible and never once found anything about unforgivable sins
My bubble got pocked when I got a girlfriend and her church was more evangelical than mine. I noticed that most of those people where damaged by life. Fled from a country because of death threats, no more contact with the children, no children, sickness, depression, etc.. And they where very full of God. And that's when it struck me. The didn't believe because it was true, it was their unconscious coping mechanism. I eventually got in an argument with my ex that God loves all people, including the pedophiles, murders, rapists, etc.. I could live with Jesus and his humanity. But to cherish the love of an indifferent God... that's way to illogical for me.
Look into Islam, and I mean the Quran and not the people; you may just find exactly what you’re looking for & everything finally making sense. May Allah guide us all, Ameenn
This is interesting because for me the grace of god is one of the most precious things. How could he possibly still love rapists/murderers and such even after they hurt him so much with their awful actions? How much love can he have for us humans? It really is mindboggling, but He isn't human, He doesn't have the same limitations.
Yeah lol people use religion to cope with life. I didn’t realize everyone didn’t know this lol. But I wasn’t raised in a religion so I guess it’s easier to see from the outside. But I’ve known this as long as I can remember
once when i was 6, this girl who knew my family was atheist asked me "so u don't believe in god??? ur going to hell then!!" so like yeah maybe don't push heavy religious beliefs onto your children so said children don't give other children an existential crisis?
When I was a kid one of my class mates said that if I wasn't religious how could I celebrate Christmas. He didn't phrase it as a genuine question and more as an insult like I was stupid. I then asked him how he can celebrate valentines day when nobody likes him.
I was already kinda out the door on religion but when my youth pastor said “The bible is true because the Bible says it’s true.” What kind of circular logic is that? A book says the book is fact so we believe it?? Didn’t even give like the countless actual testimonies that correlate with Christianity and give it some kind of grounding. Just “the book said so!” I was so done after that lol.
so basically what i’m getting from all these comments, is that youth pastors nowadays really don’t know enough about the bible to be teaching it, yet they do anyway, and people turn away from God because of it
My dad started taking me to church when I was in elementary school and made me go to Bible study groups in middle school but I must be a natural skeptic because not once in my entire life did I think that the Bible was the word of a higher power. So many wasted sundays
So many wasted Sundays. I was raised in the church. Mom was a teacher at Sunday school and preschool did admin work in the office, dad did IT and alcohol. Once my parents got divorced they kicked my mom out and kept my alcoholic father, and I saw the hypocrisies. Dad got help and converted. It's a good thing your dad started taking to church you after you had already developed a personality, less damage.
Look into Frank Turek. The Bible has been the most scrutinized book since the beginning and still hold true. We take some many “ historical” instances in time as fact, such as Alexander the Great without every thinking twice. most people are mad their grandma died so they can’t believe in God, or they don’t want to be held accountable for their actions and would rather create their truth. All I can say, is do more research. Pick up a Bible.
It wasn't catholicism but some weird buddhism, you dont how much time was wasted doing nothing aka praying while the men/husbands were sinning right in front of us. Hypocritical/10
@@courtneyharrell7758 Did you not read my comment? I went to Bible study for years. Comments like yours do more to drive people away instead of bringing them closer God.
When my daughter was several months old, my husband's family member told my husband that we needed to baptize our daughter to save her soul. My husband looked at her and said that there is nothing wrong with her soul. Family member said that if something happens, we need to make sure that our daughter's soul reaches Heaven. My husband told her that any God that would allow an innocent child to go to Hell because we didn't baptize her is not a God he wants to pray to.
I'm so sorry that they misrepresented God to you. Your child is indeed born without sin and without condemnation. Jesus loves you. I pray all is well with you and your family and that The Lord's face shines upon you and you are reinvigorated with His love
@@LammasDeluge unfortunately the condemnation here is by people who say they believe but then do not act / speak with that belief. I pray you find the love of God and that your cup overflows. May God bless your life and may you be abundant in all things
@@Joshua_Wink Thank you. Our daughter is a beautiful 21 year old woman now. We did baptize her in the Lutheran church when she was about 18 months old. We had 2 more children, our oldest son is a few days shy of 18 and our youngest son is 8 and a half. We did not baptize either of the boys though. I am not Christian and my husband was an ordained minister. He passed away 7 months ago after an 8 year battle with Cancer. He was diagnosed 3 days before our youngest son was born. I know he is on the other side now and healthy, whether it be Heaven with Jesus, reincarnated as a new soul, or having earned his place beside all of the Gods.
This happened to my daughter unfortunately. She was deeply traumatized by not one, but two of our youth pastors. (not sexual, it was done by bullying mostly)
@@Fair-to-Middling it's important to consider that she might have valid reasons other than bullying. Many parents want to attribute their kids losing faith to a failure on the part of the youth group or trauma or anger related to the religion but thats rarely the only reason someone loses faith. It's often because they find real issues with what they're being told, it's either internally consistent or doesn't match what they see in reality. Just don't assume other people's reasoning, even if you're related to them
My life lol. No groups that actively discourage critical thinking and lack answers when confronted with basic questions are worth putting time or effort into. My bi youth pastor having gay threesomes with his wife while teaching us the horrors of un-missionary, non-child-producing sex was also a fun irony. But mostly for me always being interested in film the realization it's all a performance to evoke a cathartic emotional response opened my eyes. Nothing cosmic about it. Imagine the self-importance to think a GOD is talking to YOU... Anyway, the benefits of a trip to church are nothing you can't also get from a healthy mental regimen, and without all the harmful "fishers of men" "holier than thou" ideology.
@@jasonseipler2665 what do they worship then if you make the claim they worship something. You also likely have a different definition of worship than they do yet that is unexplained
@@jasonseipler2665 are you implying that I worship Satan? I don't worship *anything.* i will love, respect, and cherish someone/thing, but I will *never* worship them. There's a power dynamic to worshipping that I just don't agree with. I demand equality in all of my relationships, so I don't see why a relationship with a god should be any different. Do they respect you enough to *not* demand worship? Why do they demand anything? If you wouldn't apply it to your physical, tangible life, then why is it okay in your relationship with your god?
Omg I remember the day I lost mine when I asked the youh pastor "did God write the Bible?" And she said, "no, it was written by man inspired by God" In that moment I felt like, "oh so this is fanfiction I see." I was 11
Tbh I've never really had faith in the first place, I used to go to church every Wednesday and Sunday attended everything. And I never really cared to much for it. So it's like that question was my turning point
That's why I like Hinduism. The concept of God is based around logical things that we can see in reality. Sun, Wind, Fire, Water, Earth, Universe, Destruction, Music, Wealth and so on... Just to make it more humane, Hinduism gives these concepts/resources a human figure. Intelligent and Real.
That is exactly what I was told by my pastor many years ago. I knew that couldn’t be true! What kind of loving father would send someone, who didn’t know about him, to hell? Exactly, He wouldn’t. I’m now a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and this is NOT what we believe, and it makes way more sense!
So what do you believe then? If someone never finds out about God then they go to heaven? That's just as bad, as spreading the word is condemning far more people to hell than it could ever save. It doesn't make more sense its just a different kind of weird
@@thedudeamongmengs2051 we will all be judged, whether you believe Christ or not. Believing in His sacrifice, and having faith in it, is supposed to cut us a lot of slack, because no one is perfect.
@@thedudeamongmengs2051 I might end up creating a bigger problem, but let me try to address this from my understand and experience. Faith seems to have some primordial spiritual power, and it's extremely difficult to grasp for me. Why faith alone? I don't know exactly. It's likely because if we used our physical effort, we would lose sight of the sacrifice. However, let's look at this. Remember the men crucified together with Jesus. They were bad according to biblical and social law, weren't they? Yet, one was saved at the last minute. And I don't think he was being crucified for being a petty thief. Technically, we're all guilty as the next. That's why Jesus kept preaching love, understanding, and _forgiveness._ The idea is that a true believer, or disciple, tries to emulate the way Christ thinks and treats other people. I'm actually living this situation right now, where there's a particularly destructive person in my family who some of us just wish would die. However, over the course of several prayers and Holy spirit visitations, we realised that focusing on the spiritual persecution of that person was a waste of time. One time the HS said "don't focus on [them]" This was in the middle of one particularly bad situation invited by that individual which was threatening to sweep the whole family away. Now I don't have all the answers, there are much better informed people out there. What I'll say way God interacts directly with us almost nondeterministic according to our own reasoning.
@@el7284 from the sound of it, a lot or all of what you believe is based on assumptions and feelings. Faith might feel like it has primordial importance to you, but to me and to many others, it doesn't. It really doesn't have any importance to me at all. I'm not sure what you mean by us "losing sight of the sacrifice". The thieves probably were put to death for something like petty theft. Or maybe it was just theft. Either way it probably wasn't some grand crime. The Roman's crucified so many people that they had mass graves where they just threw the bodies. It's unlikely that all those people were horrible people. They were probably convicted of crimes we would consider minor today. And forgiveness as it is in the bible isn't really a good kind of forgiveness. Jesus did say some good things but he also said some bad things. "Forgiveness as long as you worship me" isn't forgiveness. Forgiveness can be a good thing in your life, but it can also be a bad thing. You shouldn't forgive abusers too easily. You shouldn't forgive people when they just do it again. Even if they don't, you shouldn't have to forgive people that have seriously and permanently harmed you. Forgiveness from God isn't really justice
For me, it was learning about the unimaginable scale of the universe, and thinking: “I’m not going to be so arrogant as to assume that I have a personal relationship with a deity that made every planet, star, and galaxy there ever was or will be.” …or that said omnipotent creator took specifically an interest in our world, and had an Arab Jew son 2000 years ago (but the son is also him). Asserting that idea of a personal god (or really, any specific god) given the grand scale of the space and time of the cosmos will always seem intellectually dishonest to me. And being willfully intellectually dishonest is not something I can or want to bring myself to do.
I stopped believing in the church when I went to one that started to insult other denominations. I still believe in God in a way. I love Jesus. I don't attend church anymore because I haven't found one that is about actual good faith and love. It's all warning of sin and how I'm going to hell since I am lgbtqia+ and had a child and am unmarried which is not true. I believe there is a diety and for me it is God I also recognize others like Allah and Buddha. I'm sure there are so many more. I try to live my life in an ok way and I honestly believe God is like a cool uncle/dad that everyone will get along with. Like He's chill and stuff. Idk anyone else agree?
Yes 100% man wrote religion. God loves us all and Jesus was just like us. I suggest you read some books. Neale Donald walsh-complete conversations with God. Anything at all by Eckhart Tolle, especially 'the power of now'. The alchemist - paulo coelho and the autobiography of a yogi by paramahansa yogananda 🙏🙏🙏
It could mean that the “wind in the trees” statement is an expression, that the wisdom of surrendering your ego and putting faith into God is universal, all people wherever they are on the planet, are capable of knowing God.
Capable of knowing any form of God/higher power found within themselves, yes. Knowing that Jesus is their savior or even any religious text, definitely not.
For me, it was when I took a look at God’s atrocities (mass genocide, intentional blinding, muting, torture) and realized that no “merciful” being would allow these things to occur, let alone perform them.
@@Blaztoize No. If God commits murder, then God is a murderer and should be treated as such. The rules that teachers follow are not so different that they can bring a gun into the campus. Don’t make excuses for God being a serial killer, and arguably a rapist (Virgin Mary) just because he’s your “teacher.” Mercy has the same definition, no matter whom it’s applied to, and God is not merciful.
Youre human m8 created by God and you can dictate what he decides to do? The prideful arrogance you think you have to criticize God is embedded in you, repent and turn away
God created us all. To tests Us. Mass genocides you say it is not God who permitted that action . It was an action of his creation By their own free WILL. It’s nothing to be attributed to the one who created it but the one who did it. Blindness muting torture this is all a test. God taught us to be grateful when we see the blind and to return back to him to thank him for his generosity. He also made the mute as an example for us to also return to him And thank him for his generosity. And torture it’s an act of free will buy people this is nothing to blame upon God he put us all on this earth to test us and if we commit sin surely as he promised punish those who bring tragedy harm and oppression on his land. He promised us that Hell will be their destinations mass genocide torture rape murder The punishment of these acts can never truly be solved on this planet on. in this universe the only place is HELL. for those who act in that manner.
The funny thing is that it is usually the same 20 questions that make people doubt, and most churches can’t answer them. That youth pastor’s answers are not in line with scripture. 1. The Bible does not say you go to hell for committing suicide. 2. Go read about people in the Middle East that have vivid dreams and visions of Jesus. It is happening all over. Also, maybe some people that never would have believed are placed far away for that reason. Acts 17:26-27 NIV “From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.”
That’s so sad. It’s crazy how things like that are the biggest reasons why people turn away from wanting to have a relationship with God instead of following a leader/religion… sometimes it’s best to just say you don’t know or try and at least fast and pray for the answer..
I mean...is it sad that this guy realized that having a "relationship" with an imaginary being isn't that important to him? Should he just have prayed for the wind in the mulberry trees to tell him an imaginary god exists? I think it's quite fortunate that this guy's youth pastor showed him that the rules of that faith are nonsense.
maybe get a new youth pastor… our youth pastor talked to us about her depression and suicide and she said that finding the lord helped to save her life.
Yeah that may work for some people but for others it makes the problem worse. When someone has depression and is a Christian, they're led to believe that they aren't a good enough Christian, and then no matter what they do, the problem only gets worse and they feel worse about themselves because they're told God will cure them if they're good enough, but they never get cured so they believe they're never good enough. For every person that Christianity actually helps with mental illness, there's a bunch more for whom it does way more harm. If you have mental illness, go to a therapist, not a church
That’s good! I’ve met people who were complete satanists who have come to Christ and they’ve said their lives have completely changed in all good ways. I believe the youth pastor he talked about answered the questions horribly and it sounded like he gave no reason behind his answer.
@@captain_skipper295 Satanists aren't necessarily bad people. They don't actually worship Satan. And it is most definitely not a good thing. Mental illness calls for therapy. You wouldn't go to church to treat a broken leg, and if you would, you've been lied to
@@captain_skipper295 only people who believe in god believe in satan lmfao. Don’t use “satanist” as a synonym for non religious 💀💀 it literally is the exact opposite
Cool. I was constantly suicidal until I disconnected religion from my life. Turns out attaching eternal consequence to real-world actions isn't healthy for most humans looking to live without cognitive dissonance. Different strokes for different folks.
Wdym? So you just think we all spawned here out of nowhere? You think the planets and atmosphere were aligned conveniently just out of luck? I think you're questioning the wrong things bud
I went to a Christian high school and we asked this question to our senior religion teacher. And she actually gave us an answer that wasn’t horrible. She said that they would see god and make their choice of if they wanted to be with him or not after they died.
@@yaee123 so your god is just really really bored to the point where people who no longer wish to suffer are sent to concentration camps to suffer even further?
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Bible actually says, something about to those who can see and hear...so if they don’t know then they just don’t Fn know... free pass
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So often you hear stories of people losing their faith at the hands/mouths of others. We don't have every answer, WHY the hell do people keep running their mouths! If it's not a mouth runner it's a "Christian's" actions that turn others from GOD, like trying to "pray"/torture the gay away!
@@RakkaSan7219, agreed. FaUx Christians doing the most damage.
I did a video about this lol. You would go to hell. Not fire, burning you alive, forever. That's the second death. Which happens 1 thousand years after. Jesus comes back. Hell is essentially just like the Greek tales. There's a purgatory part. There's a torture part. And there's a good part. And then there's a paradise like area. In the new testament. In Luke 16. Lazarus. Goes to hell. Because Jesus didn't die yet. Which is the whole point of him dying. You don't have to go down there. Even if you are a good person. And go to the good part. And have to look across and at the evil people. Being boiled, and eaten. And all the rest of it. Which even if you're in paradise. It's kind of a mood killer.
The entrance is supposedly in Rome. That place they've been eating and diddling kids for the last 4 thousand years.
Also something that I realized recently. It says he'll split the mount of olives in half. Supposedly to get people who were either good people. Or converted in hell, out of hell. Which means the good part, is supposed to be under Jerusalem. Meaning Hell for scope. Would stretch from Rome to Jerusalem underground. Which is part of the reason when they set up some wack idol in the 3rd temple. You're meant to run the hell out of the city and not stop to take anything. Because things are going to get insane after that.
Zechariah 12:9
On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward.
For me, my six year old self would just wonder shit like “how do you know god is speaking to you and it’s not just you thinking” 💀🗿
no i always wondered that as a kid LMAO
When I learned Santa wasn’t real I asked my mom like “well is god real?”
The lord speaks to us through his Word, the Bible.
@@davidmathewsoniii1776 😂😂😂😂 delusional men wrote it man don’t kid urself
same
I think sometimes it’s really important to just say “I don’t know “
You know if any of the people who who led youth group said I don't know to those questions. I might still be religious cuz that would make more sense than whatever half-assed answer they gave me
@@oreomasterr2242 yeah. Same. And that’s the part about having faith in any relation. You just don’t know. And that’s ok.
It's a youth pastor, he probably doesn't even know the entirety of genesis let alone how to find the scriptures that interpret themselves. This is why I listen to biblical scholars research and confirm the bible, not a pastor who's getting paid a wage to do the will of God.
@@oreomasterr2242 yeah. It’s ok to admit you don’t know everything. Just bc one person doesn’t know the answer to something doesn’t mean there isn’t an answer.
@@bidensaidthenwordwithahard4838 I understand what you’re trying to say. Nothing wrong with doing some research my friend. I wish you the best in that journey
Then there's the classic joke of "If I've never heard of Jesus do I go to heaven?" "Yes, of course." "Then why did you tell me about him?"
That’s always been my position it’s fucked! 😂
Nah but I am saved.
God has to have a sense of humor.
My favorite line when missionaries knock on our door and they ask "have you found Jesus yet?", I just reply " I didn't know I was supposed to be looking for him" or "I didn't know he was missing".
@@kischasherman8035 I'm fond of "you lost him again?"
@@RavenNivhaarlol🤣
I used to be SO scared to witness to people as a kid for fears of damning them further by them rejecting christ. So much fun as a kid with intense OCD -_- I definitely tried to solve that by aggressively pressuring my close friends into becoming believers, very much against their consent and wishes until they caved. Awful for my friendships growing up!
When I was kid, someone told me about god and I asked where is god??
The person said everywhere, I couldn't sleep for few days cause I thought god following me everywhere, I cried so much that was scary 😭😭
That's the idea... Santa with his naughty and nice list is obviously training wheels for the concept of a judgemental god... the idea of being under constant surveillance is supposed to make you be "good", rule by terror.
@@rajidahae4220 I thought the same thing!! I've always viewed Santa as "God for kids".
the problem is, people expected you to keep believing in God even after you've already stopped believing in Santa... for some reason unknown to me, the thought process applied to deduce that Santa was made up by authority figures to get you to behave _somehow_ wasn't supposed to carry over to how you think of God.
when I realized Santa wasn't real, I soon figured God wasn't real, either... *especially* because of the surveillance thing. you are SO right about that.
as a kid, i was freaked out by the idea of god being able to see everything I did and hear everything I thought, regardless of whether I felt comfortable with it.. it deprives you of autonomy and makes you constantly aware of your own actions and thoughts. you're scared to even *think* the wrong thing. it made me so uncomfortable and self-conscious, especially in regards to my body.
I was uncomfortable and I didn't feel respected; I eventually came to think that, if God were real, and if he were good as Christians say he is, then he wouldn't do this to me.
@@weevilsneevilAll of that, same. I grew up so paranoid and still battle with it even after all this time. I used to be so scared to even change clothes in private. I hate that so many kids are fed this bs because the parents are too lazy to teach their kids properly about right and wrong. Too lazy to take a parenting class and read up on child psychology. It's because they feel they have all the answers with the big book full of wacky stories. Anyways, hope life's treating you well and if not hope things get better.
@@sal_7074 thanks :)) I relate to your struggles so much. i no longer believe in a god, but i still struggle with that feeling of surveillance; i also feel anxious when changing, even privately. it's been a journey, but i'm lucky to have grown up in a rather nonreligious household so separating myself from all of that was not too hard (physically.. but mentally, it takes time). i hope you're doing well, too..! :)
When my brother heard that god was everywhere as a little kid his first reaction was to ask the teacher completely earnestly "is he in the toilet?"
Me: *in a hurricane*
Me: “Jesus is that you?”
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Jesus, you're a little stronger than the wind
🤣🤣🤣
Poor little suzie was weaker then Jesus Christ
it’s bout to be lmao
This is what happens when you have a pastor thats afraid of saying "i dont know" 🤦♂️
My dad would've been like "The Bible says everyone gets the opportunity to know Jesus" They really have dumb justifications for everyone
@@MichaelTurner856
Ah yes. Also those island-locked ancient tribal communities sure are gonna have a chance to read the Bible. 👀
@Mann Person You need to know about Jesus and devote yourself to him, though. If you never even pick up a bible? Yeah you're definitely going to hell in Christianity
@Mann Person According to the Bible, you specifically need to accept Jesus Christ as your savior. Not God, Jesus. I'm not overcomlicating anything, you're just overanalyzing my comment. I said that if someone has never picked up a bible in their life, it's fair to assume that they aren't very familiar with the faith; It's very unlikely for someone in close proximity to a bible to never touch it, ESPECIALLY a practicing Christian
I don't know it's not the answer. The answer is yes, they will go to hell. At least in Christianity. Don't know about other religions.
From my personal experience... 90% of the time when a priest says “the bible says...” it’s something misquoted or straight up lie 💀
Kinda like the Bible itself!
99% is false
no bc literally-
@@beomgyuzvr 1% for some historical and science shit like noahs flood beong the ice age melt and the burning bush being dmt etc
@@big_sk4ian424 but that still would not have lined up with the biblical timeline and there was no world wide flood. that's a fact. so I guess that just went from 99 to 100%
THE SUICIDE QUESTION HIT SO DIFFERENT!!!! My VBS leader said the same thing back when I was in highschool and I (currently depressed at the time) was like bro how is God gonna put you through these "tests" but not allow you to get out without punishment like ???
I was always told that mentally unwell people (as long as they’re kind and good at their core, past their complicated mental state) will go to Heaven. So I’m assuming it’s the same for people who are so depressed and trapped that they feel like there’s only one way out. Yeah it’s their decision, but it’s a decision they were pushed to by events out of their control (most of the time).
Btw I’m not religious anymore, this is just what I was kinda told.
They said the same at my church, that people who take their own lives aren’t going to heaven, but then one of the jr pastors took his own life … and they said it wasn’t him who did it, but demons … and his souls is still going to heaven ……………..
lol what?
Bro made it it to mental Olympics with that statements
They like to pick and chose once it hits too close to home. Gross hypocrisy
@@BroadwayGarden not true show me in scripture where it says that even if you take your own life you will go to heaven
@@BroadwayGarden that's a Nicolaite saying. People that take their owns lives are going to heel even If they had the perfect life in christ(that i doubt since they commites suicide). And yes there are some exception but it's TOO complicated and i especially don't know Exactly who could avoid this endind
My mom once made me go to a religious session where they were talking about mental health because i was really in a dark spot. They then proceeded to say "if you're feeling sad just pray to God and he'll make all the pain go away." I didn't know any of these people so I said nothing. In the past I was more religious and had tried to pray for the depression to go away but it never did. There are other reasons why I'm not very religious now as I used to be but they aren't relevant.
Edit: I'm better than I was before emotionally. This was over a year ago I think.
I had an ex who's sister was going thru fucked up shit and that was all the parents dumbass response even tho maybe it's because of the abuse they all went thru because of y'all not there lack of faith in a bullshit religion
Dad, please make me happy?
How the hell would he make you happy like that?
@Miriam Svenson so basically the doctor does everything and if it's successful God helped you and if it fails it's the doctor's fault
@Miriam Svenson also that somehow them being religious erases there problems from them as if all of them aren't abusing there kids and then couple years from now when there all fucked up just gonna say the same thing u need Jesus
Idk why act like if you pray one time it all comes true that’s not even close to how it works I really don’t like people that are like that and yea sure praying can help but also seeing a doctor that it’s their job to help you feel better cuz Ik praying does seem like a wast of not like it’s ganna help
I was asked this question when I was a kid by a friend. I didn’t know the answer but my mom said, “God will witness to people in anyway possible. But if they truly never heard about him or learned about him, then they wouldn’t go to hell. It’s about free will. God wants us to make that choice. And if they can’t, then they wouldn’t be punished for that.” She would also use this argument for people who were physically/mentally unable to make that decision. Which I agree with.
But I think as Christians, we need to start saying we don’t know to answers instead of giving weird confusing answers that don’t make sense or are confsuing
You are my kind of human being. Not christian btw. But it's better to say you don't know than give bad arguments and then claim someone's being willfully blind when they poke holes at what you're saying
as a muslim i agree! i think intention and free will are super important and people try to find every specific answer within the texts they believe in, when not everything is gonna be there. intention is so overlooked too, people would rather go to church every sunday than address how their behaviors don’t align with their beliefs.
Exactly! No need to pretend like you know. I just thank them for such an interesting question and let them know I'm not sure or would need to do some reading on it. I do the same thing with my clients and address it at the next session after reading the relevant research. It's so much worse to pretend to speak from authority when you are making it up.
God doesn’t exist, is stupid to believe in a book that has no author, that they just invented or wrote off of gossip and hearsay… honestly, religion is just fools food
Sounds like my Mom's answer when we asked about children dying. "It's about free will and children are innocent so no, there are absolutely no children in hell." Which made me wonder where God's cut-off age is.
I don’t think I ever had just one moment that made me say “enough” to religion, I’ve just been in a constant state of existential crisis since middle school lol. I’m 26 years old and I finally came out to my mom as agnostic, and she was pretty supportive. 😂
Fellow Atheist here, so I used the Google voice search thing- and uhh I asked " What is the difference between Atheist and Agnostic." Because I'm a curious human being :P
I did this 3 times and nothing popped up-
Correction: I had to type it out
And now I think I should look more into an Agnostic Atheist- because this sounds more intriguing and sounds closer to what I usually think. :) Have a good day💜
@@agustdsuga7701 Hello! I’m actually not an atheist, just agnostic. I don’t believe that God doesn’t exist, but that I don’t know whether he exists or doesn’t exist.
@@CaitlinKohler I understand you are not an Atheist i was only saying hello, would you like me to correct it?
Glad your mom was supportive. I told my parents I had questions at 16 and instead of listening they just blew me off so I went to leave the room. My mom screams out "grab him!" And my dad grabs my arm and they start praying in fucking tongues to "cast out the demon" that was OBVIOUSLY possessing me. Lmao. I literally cackled out loud and walked away after they were done. I just couldn't believe that shit. That was really what pushed over the edge and into atheism. Which I remained for years until I realized I was being close minded like a religious person and opened up into a more agnostic view. Now after many shrooms and acid trips, I've come to believe there isn't a "God" so much as just a force of life that exists out there somewhere. Idk my views change as I take in new information.
I'm in the same boat as you
Someone in my school tried to take his life and the pastor said as any sin, it can be forgiven. If they are scaping a hell we humans pushed upon them jesus wouldn't send them to another. They should be shown compassion not punishment, we failed them not the other way around. I'm not religious but that stayed with me.
EDIT: PLEASEEE, this comment is not an invitation for you to try to say how much you disagree and do believe they are going to hell or discredit & devalue the pastor. Keep that to yourself. I'm just sharing my experience, you can share yours respectfully and we can learn another view together. For anything else DON'T COMMENT here, Thanks & remember google exist.
not religious either, but what I think that pastor meant was that the suicide attempt wasn't successful, so the person in question would still "have time to repent for their sins" so to speak
@@kevin_dasilva no no, he was talking about suicide in general, failed attempt or not, sins can be forgiven in the afterlife, and there are circumstances where the suicide can be forgiven as is dying by your hands as a sacrifice to save a loved one for example. He basically said the biggest sinners were the ones who bullied him into it. The kid was consumed by the pain others had caused him, it wasn't a rational desition and even tho he had sinned it could be forgiven but we should repent too as we failed him or were the cause of his pain. I think it was his way of fighting against bullying and it got me, seeing a pastor calling out a community for allowing that to happen and basically calling them hypocrites for calling a 16yo kid (and those who have commited suicide) a sinner when there were the product of our own sins was fire 🔥 Will never forget that lesson.
When I told my religious friends about some UA-camr that killed himself they began saying that he went to hell and saying that suicide is haram
@@Nicolas-fm8dz most traditional people think so, I think it's sad to punish a soul for being broken by the cards god himself gave him. I understand taking a life is not something to appreciate, and to considered wrong and sinful. But condemning them for eternity is too much. Why can a mass murderer and r*pist be forgiven but not an innocent kid who society failed? If god is love as they say I'm sure he will forgive them. Idk much about Quran but at least in the bible there is only one unforgivable sin, and suicide is not it, but to each their own.
As a very religious Christian I believe u can only go to hell or heaven base on ur faith in Jesus as ur lord and savior
Committing suicide is a sin but can be forgiven
that was one of the ideas that led to me being an atheist: there are thousands of religions and sects all over the world, all claiming to know the one absolute truth. It's preposterous and selfish to think that someone isolated from cultures outside their own might come to the revelation of a specific god, although one can look at nature and be struck with wonder and awe. whether or not you believe in a god or gods, the fact that we exist and that the universe exists is quite amazing.
Same reason i became an omnist. No one person or group has ever had all the right answers throughout history no matter how many they might have or how popular they are. And yeah, nature is an amazing bit of life and I don't think many western religions or western cultures focus on it enough
I mean you literally just clowned yourself and havent realized it.
@@aKjohn8798 there's no proof a god made the universe so shush
@@spicysalad3013 and theres no proof a God/gods didnt, so shush
@@aKjohn8798 how is that a retort?
I could literally say that about any fiction al creature/being be it unicorn or Spiderman and by that logic you wouldnt be able to disagree
By that logic why not believe everything with no grounded evidence
Why not believe a guy in spandex who shoots webs?
Or a goose who lays golden eggs?
Or a mutated sponge that lives in a pineapple under the sea and works at an underwater fastfood restaurant?
"They'll get it from the winds and the trees"
Then why do you preach??! Leave us be.
To further you into the religion and guide you into a stronger bond with God doesn't take a scientist to realize that
This part. If nature would teach it, why are they over complicating it with arbitrary and made up rules that nobody could realistically follow lol
@@Sic_Shawn couldn’t we further our relationship by flying a kite?
@@edenthedodo7805 thats funny I almost laughed
@@edenthedodo7805 lol
I got kicked out of Sunday school for asking to many blasphemous questions, was resided to the piers with my mom and was terrified there was a man screaming at everyone while they just stare back at him so I cried a lot from the sheer creepiness
Since I was a kid I always just thought “damn, this sounds like video game lore theres no way thats real.”
HAHAHA video game lore, that’s so right though same 🤣
+1
Lmao 😂😂😂😂😂
I won't believe in Jesus until he gives me the damned patch notes idk what he's doing but he has to address the community
@Jalapos Not really
One time my “friend” was trying to evangelize me and i asked her that question and she started crying bc i was “attacking her religion.”
Edit: for context, she was v manipulative and would cry or threaten to k*ll herself all the time to get me to do what she wanted. Not trying to say anything abt christianity, just thought it was a funny story tbh 😅
Tbh sounds about right. Christians have to victimize themselves now and forever.
That is why you should avoid talking to over religious people 😅
A lot of it has to do with how you ask the question
Guessing you are no longer friends lol
Victimization much? Don't bother with that "friend", you would gain more time to fulfill your purposes in life without her
My family isn't religious, but one time, my mom forgot to pick me up from a sleep over, and I had to go to church with the family.Everyone else was wearing dresses ans suits and I was in flannel pajamas. And when it came time to sing the first song that they were singing, I didnt know the words, so I started saying the pledge of allegiance. To clarify, this was the American pledge of allegiance and we were in Panama.
That is absolute hilarious perfection.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I have so many questions
This is incredible
They never like it when you start asking questions hahah
Actually it makes me sad that this is the case with so many churches. Im lucky enough to have found a church where they care and actually love it when people ask questions! They even have live Q&As with the pastors and they use the Bible with direct citations to answer. They are all also more than willing to admit that the don't know the answer and then they take the time to search the Bible for the answer!
Unlike Islam which has answer to all the questions.
@@5malaislam literally has death penalty for leaving the religion, its worst religion out there
@@5mala because those answers aren't allowed to be questioned 😆
(As an ex Muslim,survivor of assault myself)
That pastor doesn’t know what he’s talking about man 😂
And by saying that I can know you have not been reading the book.
Because what that pastor said is literally in that book.
@@havtor007 have you read the Bible? Prove your point to me oh high and mighty Bible scholar
I agree! I no longer attend church, but I remember being taught that hell is not a punishment for those who are truly ignorant. Once you are aware then you are responsible, but for someone who has no clue? How could they be destined for hell when they don’t even know anything about heaven or hell? I also don’t think that verse applies to the situation this person is speaking about, and the youth pastor chose a very poor verse to make his very incorrect point.
@@havtor007 he's right the pastor didn't know what he was talking about. This is why we must read the scriptures for ourselves. God said How shall they believe in him whom they have not heard?” (Romans 10:14). Sin is not taken into account when there is no law” (Romans 5:13). There our plenty of scriptures disproving what this pastor said.
Yea 😂
There was a point in my life where i was really contemplating taking my life and my familys only response to be trying to talk about my feelings was “ok but you’ll go to hell” LIKE DAMN
That sucks, I know how it feels to want to take your own life, it sucks. I hope you don’t feel that dread anymore.
Similar thing, my ex-gf's mother told me she accepted Jesus because people had told her about Jesus and hell and how hell was so bad and she "got so deathly afraid of it" she converted on the spot. Like, really? Your whole reason to believe in something is because you believe you'll suffer for eternity?
@@Flicker_thefo0x thank you. Im doing much better now. But my family didnt help with that-
My cousin tried an eating disorder when she was a teenager and got grounded for wasting food, if you are going to get an eating disorder in my family, you better commit to it by starving yourself. Oh and mention suicide, they would walk you over to the oven, put your hand over the fire and give you a preview and say, now do it!
I’m so orry
If I asked those kinds of questions my mom would say “well that’s nothing we have to worry about”
@Umar Johnson You don't have to be a pastor to read the Bible. 🙂
There isn't really an answer that anyone can give other than simply, we don't know. God could have come to them in a dream, that's happening at an insane rate among the Muslim population right now and many Muslims are turning to Christ because of it. Look it up here on YT, it's really interesting.
He could also judge them by the law, just like He will do with those that refuse Him. The Bible says the law wasn't given to the Gentiles (meaning anyone that isn't a Jew), but it is written on our hearts. The problem is that we _all_ break the law, no matter how "saintly" we might be. The law is absolute to an extent, and the payment, or what we owe, for our sin is death. Not physical death, spiritual death, so separation from God. Jesus died on the cross to pay that debt for us, we only have to accept the gift (Ephesians 2:8-9) God gave us. However, those that haven't heard the Good News, I have no doubt God will be merciful. He is a merciful, loving God, after all.
I go into more detail in my other comment (not in reply to anyone), but there really isn't a much better answer. Maybe an answer that's worded better, or that gives reference to Scripture, but we just don't know. We're human, we can't know everything and we don't have all the answers, but if we study the Bible, we can have understanding...even if we can't communicate it very well.
I hope that you find what you're looking for, the best advice I can give you is to pray about it and read His Word. 🙂
@Umar Johnson no?? Just a Christian
So when you were trying to learn more she basically told you "ignorance is bliss" and that you should have blind faith. That seems very manipulative.
@@rossferguson9653 I think she just meant that one, it isn't us; two, it won't be our decision; and three, God has a plan, He knows what He's doing.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't care or that we shouldn't share the Gospel, just that God has more information than we do so we shouldn't _worry._
As far as blind faith goes, all of us that have believed since Christ ascended back into Heaven have blind faith. He isn't here in the flesh, we believe without seeing Him...and we are blessed for doing so:
*John 20:29*
"Jesus said unto him, 'Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed. Blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed.'"
For me, it's when I needed him the most and he never helped.
That was my same thought in middle school too, especially if they grew up in a nother religion where they 100% thought it was true
I grew up Muslim, but now religion itself seems bonkers
@@RoynonBabies
Yes. It's incomprehensible to me how a grown up could literally be giving up their entire life to something so ridiculous.
@@RoynonBabies organized religion is bonkers lol. It’s all stories made up by other humans. For a variety of intentions bud mostly to control people. literally since childhood you’re threatened with not getting into heaven for acting however they see as incorrect
If you don't know the laws of God then you won't be judged by them. The Bible says that in Romans. It amazes me that people who claim to teach the Bible don't actually know the words. I've got my own take on things but at least I've read religious scripts.
@@mattiOTX I’m personally Christian and I don’t think you should take advice from and or believe solely what the pastor is saying without taking it with a grain of salt because if there not directly quoting the Bible because anything else they say is there way of explaining or the genral way of explaining it. Anyways I am curious does the Bible say what happens to them if there not judged of gods law? Like anything generally specific?
There's a funny anecdote by an author (Dillard) about a missionary coming to an Inuit village and speaking to a man there. They talk about Christianity and at the end the Inuit guy asks, "So, are all of my ancestors burning in hell forever then??" And the missionary thinks about it and says, "Well, no. If they never heard the Good Word then they couldn't have known, so they're not in hell" and the Inuit man thinks about that and asks, "So, if no one tells you about God, then you don't go to hell, because you have to know first?" And the missionary is like, "Well, yeah." The Inuit man nods and looks him in the eye, "Ok. So then why did you tell me???"
Btw I was raised Christian and started having an issue around 8 when I was told my mom was a heathen who would burn in agony for eternity unless I saved her soul. That is a seriously fkked up thing to say to a kid, first off, and it made me oppositional to them. God put an 8 year old in charge of saving a soul??? Great plan. Anyway that made me more interested in my own culture (the heathens lol) and now I work for my people and don't believe a word of Christianity. I enjoy Gandhi's quote, "I like your Christ but I don't like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ"...
The quote Is so true. Some christians can be overbearing.
I can relate to the overbearing people as an Ex Muslim
NO NO NO… There is something called special revelation and there is general revelation. Special is when God touches you directly either through the Christian’s of the world or the word of God. General revelation is God’s creation- The Universe and is something that Christians and only Christians can use to appreciate God with. it can’t teach people about Jesus. So in short the people who don’t know about Jesus go to hell. It’s our job to spread the word and save them. God already did his part for us by saving us from our sins. This guys pastor was just bad
@@tomurashigarakiii overbearing religious preaching is unfortunately everywhere. It’s inescapable
As a Christian, I 100% agree. There’s so much wrong with Christians today. I can’t stand being around other Christians.
I think this video just shows the variety of Christians that exist, because I've talked about these topics with my dad who is a pastor, and he gives answers that make much more sense to me as a Christian
because it's all made up it fits in anyone's narrative.
Like?
@@pqcowboychanel No matter what I say, this is just going to lead to a hateful argument. I just wanted people to know that different Christian denominations have varying beliefs, so what one person says about their Christian experience isn't true for all Christians.
Well you are much more likely to accept answers from your father than a random pastor so it makes sense
@@IcePenguin1122 it doesn't need to be a hateful argument. I find discussion of religion can be important and respectful. Just depends on the people and the conversation. I'm really curious to see what answers you were given because I've never seen an answer that works
"unfortunately they're going to hell"
nah they leaving it
Exactly.
heaven and hell are on earth
@@Rebecca-fo4nn "ooooh heaven is a place on earth"
Hell is where we arrive at birth
Chad nihilist
for me, someone asked a similar question except the answer given was that they would go to heaven but if anyone even mentioned god to them they would go to hell and it made me wonder why we would try to convert ppl who've never heard of god if it wouldn't actually cause them harm?
You can't deny the truth to a person in name of their "sake", because that would be also deny all the posibilities of real fredom and happiness. (English is my second lenguage so, please, let me know if I couldn't make me understand).
@@isabelacordeiro659 well if they go to heaven if they don’t know then it’s better not to share.
@@saorise28 but they can also get lost in their lifes because of that, and this would be terrible.
@@isabelacordeiro659 in your opinion I guess- but I don’t believe in the spiteful Christian god either so in my opinion I’m better off believing what I do currently and not forcing my own beliefs onto others like a Christian would.
@@isabelacordeiro659 when something like eternal damnation is on the line its better to let someone live their life however without knowing about God if it means they avoid that. Especially since Christians are taught that life in the material, fallen world is unimportant as far as success and pleasure goes.
To open someone up to the possibility of eternal damnation when they would otherwise be spared is cruel and illogical. It doesn't make any sense to do it like that if you really care about other people.
It honestly brings me comfort seeing other people struggling with their faith. I started really questioning it about a year ago (I'm 33) and it has started to affect my life. But seeing that other people feel the same way makes me feel better about not knowing what to believe anymore.
Mine was when I used to love the planets and space (what 13-14 year old kid doesn’t) and I loved thinking about how every started and how huge the universe is and my youth pastor guy said to not think about anything past planet earth because it will make you go insane. And I was sitting there like wtf
Well that's incredibly misguided "wisdom" God created the heavens and the earth. The entire earth echoes of a creator and creation echoes His glory. All of nature, and all the universe is to be looked in awe and wonder. It shows God's creation
@@slmosqueda The universe was created by something called the Big Bang, an expansion of matter.
🤣🤣🤣 wowwww
That was a human interpretation of soemthing that person knew nothing about. I took astronomy and they couldn’t even figure out how planets were made in the first place. The more you look into science the more it should point to god. Truth doesn’t hide. If what that dude said rubbed you as wrong then truth has to exist. And you figured out that much on your own.
Gaslighting babyyyyyyy
That pastor didnt know what tf he was talking abt lmao
he did, everything that pastor said is written in the bible
@@aidenbohannon5377 not everything is written in the bible. Besides, thats not the catholic belief on people who grow up and die without knowledge of the faith. You think catholicism never reasoned that bullshit out?? When infants die?? Its a trilliondillion years old, they have reasoning for it.
You say this like it’s not all literal made up stories 💀
@@Honey-jo8ig the reasoning is that it's made the fuck up
@@Honey-jo8ig facts Jesus confronts them when they get to heaven
Brooooo. No that youth pastor did not answer those questions correctly. I’m so sorry for anyone who has these experiences!
Could _you_ answer the question correctly?
@@conradomota1000 i mean im , ig people would call “mormon” . and people who never knew of jesus , dont go to hell. and people who take their lives also dont go to hell. that’s mainly because mormons don’t believe in hell, just an outer darkness(basically you’re in the dark mentally like you were when you were alive). i honestly can’t answer whether or not for sure if you get the chance to get out of outer darkness, but i’d like to think so.
@@aubreybland2754 what if… it’s all made up.
Really think about that man. Maybe you are truly lost while under the belief you are on the right path..
If you feel like questioning your belief and identity is too scary.. maybe that’s the problem.
Answer them correctly then. Oh wait… it’s all fucking delusional bullshit LMFAOO😂😂💀 WHEN YOU DIE YOU DONT GO FUCKING NO WHERE YOU SEE DARKNESS LOL
@@conradomota1000 the Bible does make reference us to being judged by the law of our hearts meaning our morality. It does imply that morality is objective but also implies that it can be inherently known. When you hurt someone else and you cry, it doesn’t take being told wrong and right to realize to some extent that it’s wrong to hurt another person. Additionally, God is a forgiving god so understandably while we cannot know for certain, we can assume rightly that had someone never even had the chance to know Jesus, they would be forgiven for not knowing so. Take children who unfortunately pass early. Is it reasonable for that child who has yet to know God to be judged as harshly for their sins? No. In the same vein, those people won’t be judged the same as those who do know him and his sacrifices through Jesus. Nothing in scripture can back that they will. All we know is what we ought to do but we can make reasonable assumptions based on the nature of God.
‘God’: “You don’t know about me because you were saving dying children, solving world hunger, and curing cancer?!”
‘God’: “Mmmm hell you go.”
if you did all those things, then surely you’ve heard of God.
@@sebass337 That doesn’t mean you’re following them though 🤷🏻
@@sebass337 I mean what about great heroic people that lived in America before Europe touched down? Are they all in hell?
@@sebass337 you probably heard of him but that doesn't mean you believe in him
@@ashidraws2621 and whose fault would that be?
I don’t know how it works in Christianity, but in Judaism someone that doesn’t know the practices of Judaism isn’t “accountable” for not being religious. It’s called “Tinok Shenishba” (תינוק שנשבה)
Same for Islam. They aren't accountable because God is merciful.
@@Noorboomboomshakalakaboom wait are you saying they are or aren't accountable?
@@darthnaega4132 are not
I was always told this too as a Catholic Christian. This seems like either a bad pastor or a weird protestant church I don't know about to me.
@@alfredosauce3727 Me too. I thought it was odd some people wouldn't even have an answer for this.
It literally says in the Bible that if people haven’t heard “the Word” then they can be judged upon their hearts and their choices of what they know to be right and wrong. If God is omnipresent then he knows if people would accept Christ if they heard the Word or not.
Why not just judge everybody that way then??? It seems kinda megalomaniacal of god to be like, “yeeeaaaah but you knew about me and never went to church so have fun buuuuurning 😉”
Yea that was a sad wrong answer
@@Ergoperidot Where in the bible did God say this?
@@Ergoperidot you don’t go to hell for not going to church, all the answers to your questions are in the Bible, but If you don’t want to read the Bible I can give you verses and try to explain the answer your question.
Then don't speak to anyone about Jesus.
What made me rethink was my youth pastors wife saying if our husband wanted us we had to give ourselves to them and I asked what if you don’t want to and every adult in the room straight up ignored me and I asked twice just in case they might’ve not heard me.
I think the point is more that if you aren’t open to that you probably shouldn’t have married in the first place. One of those self sacrificial prerequisites of being married is to give up your self priorities/desires that contradict in marriage. I mean if I was married and my wife wants to bang even if I didn’t want to I’d be obliged to and the expectation is mutual. There’s many statements in the Bible about how men are supposed to give sex to their wives as well. The biblical marriage is honestly the perfect example of a how to guide for death due us part modern marriages. People just don’t want to live under it or don’t know how to or fail to or break oaths for exactly the reason marriages fail. They only think of the self rather than the marriage as themselves. Marriage comes with expectations standards duties and responsibilities and cherry picking things with no context is the failure of the teacher not the student. The Bible preaches the concept of self denial as a form of self love because by denying the standards accountability and desires we hold as human beings and instead doing your best to hold yourself to standards desires and the accountability set by a perfect being you meet the greatest possible state of self.
@@_gold_eye_2656 i dunno man, my husband can always just use his left hand and I can use a vibrator or smth instead of basically forcing themselves to have sex with me when he isn’t in the mood.
Then again, I won’t get married to a dude that doesn’t know his limits.
@@oncefighting I don’t find masturbation to be wrong and if it’s agreed upon go ahead. Frankly speaking some people masturbate almost as a self medication to prevent themselves from thinking with their lower half. I hated being a teenager for that one reason. I think Socrates or Plato said something about
Libido as being chained to madness.
@@oncefighting and the Bible isn’t actually a hard rule book when it comes to lifestyle choices 100% it’s honestly more of a guidebook than a collection of hard rules. But it’s a guidebook you should do your best to meet where you can is pretty much the point Christians make. Again literally holding someone accountable to divine standards isn’t an easy or even feasible task to a being born of sin and with limitations of self.
@@oncefighting but the point I’m mostly getting at is the Biblical claims of duties and responsibilities of a husband and wife to each other and the accountability of being shackled in marriage is just trying to tell you the I before We argument in marriage doesn’t work and that you should be married under We before I and giving a list of things you’re supposedly supposed to do for that to work out.
For me it was when they were talking about salvation and all I could think was "sounds to me like you don't want to be responsible for your actions"
The whole center of Christian salvation is taking responsibility for actions initially and the reward for it (that's the simple version at least). You take full responsibility, you admit you've done wrong, you ask to be forgiven. Then God quite literally forgives and forgets! People think when they die God will have a list of everything they did wrong and use it to decide where you go. This is not true. if you truly believe and most importantly, Love him, and have owned up to your mistakes, he will see no fault in you as he has already shouldered your burden! I find that people mostly make opinions on faith (whether for or against it) based on what people tell them, which is ok in moderation. Don't take my or anyone else's word for it. If you really want to have an informed opinion, study the bible. And I mean REALLY study it, read verses in a couple different versions or do a quick Google search to look at the context behind how a word was used when the Bible was written or even just read it in general! And if you still disagree, that's okay! You informed yourself, which is more than most people do!
Paul talks a lot about how it because of the grace we have received that we actually do the right things and are responsible (Romans 6)
Sigh 😔
as someone who grew up in a religious family, i remember as a kid just one day going "wait.. some of this stuff doesn't really make sense."
My mom had drug-induced delusions about the Catholic Church. When I got out of her home and went to live with my grandma, I couldn’t get some of her questions out of my head. Like, why _do_ we all chant call-and-response style? If that’s really his body and blood we’re consuming, how _is_ this different from cannibalism? The questioning began with the trauma of my mom doing drugs, but the questions remained regardless.
This is so relatable... And when you ask questions they can't answer its "well read the bible... You'll find your answers there"... I read it. Didn't answer my questions lol
NO NO NO… There is something called special revelation and there is general revelation. Special is when God touches you directly either through the Christian’s of the world or the word of God. General revelation is God’s creation- The Universe and is something that Christians and only Christians can use to appreciate God with. it can’t teach people about Jesus. So in short the people who don’t know about Jesus go to hell. It’s our job to spread the word and save them. God already did his part for us by saving us from our sins. This guys pastor was just bad
Try again. Jesus said if you earnestly seek truth you will find him.
If you're interested, questions about Islam are usually answered with the Quran.
Guess you just have to ask someone who knows in this case. Atleast the person you're asking isnt trying to be all knowledgable and whatnot.
Because they don’t know. They were just brainwashed as children and don’t know anything else
Technically the correct answer to his question is "according to the catechism a person who doesn't know God but lives a good life classifies as an anonymous Christian, and therefore can go to heaven."
100% correct
All our righteous acts are but dirty rags. The righteous will live by faith.
A good life according to the Bible? Which is very hard to do even when you're purposefully trying to
@@psilocybicacid7667 good life according to the church, which is slightly easier.
Thats exactly why missionaries should be banned from these countries. If they didn't go around telling people about Jesus, those people would go to heaven.
But now they won't, because Blabbermouth McKee got on a plane, flew over there and told them about Jesus and effectively sent them all to hell.
My brother had a friend in sixth grade who died in an atv accident, and he was in youth group and only mentioned that it happened and he wanted to pray for it, and another kid said you know he went to hell…. And my brother went home and cried in the car to my mom and never went to youth group again. It’s sad cause the kid was brought up that way but it affected my brother so much
I was brought to church/Sunday school every week my entire childhood. I remember thinking from a VERY early age that none of this makes any sense at all. I concluded that I was just born a critical thinker.
Doesn't look like you were a critical thinker if you couldn't tell the difference between a fact and a belief
@@seabassgamboa9143 this makes no sense, they said they don’t believe it, unless you actually are dumb enough to think the bible is fact
@@seabassgamboa9143 beliefs are still supposed to make sense
@@TheLegend-ky2he not necessarily? Why do you think they're beliefs?
@@seabassgamboa9143 they are things people think are true, but there is no evidence to support it. They are supposed to make sense so people actually think they are true
Reminds me of the South Park episode “do the handicapped go to hell”
@Kate Moore in the episode, the kids asked the pastor (priest? I don’t know) if their handicapped friend Timmy (who could only say his name and nothing else) would go to hell because he couldn’t confess his sins in confession. They were told yes, he would.
As a Christian, that’s a bad pastor that doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Then what is your answer
What I was taught was "if someone who never had the chance to learn about God or Jesus had died.. but had they had the chance, they would've accepted Jesus.. they would have the opportunity to accept it after death."
@@noahr3059 Hi Noah, your question wasn’t directed to me, but as a Christian this very issue was something that really bothered me for a long time. I hadn’t read my Bible well enough to know that this question has been answered. It basically comes down to this - one’s own conscience will condemn him or her. This hypothetical person has judged something is wrong in her own mind, but does it anyway. She has offended her own conscience, and is guilty of not even meeting her own standard. God’s is next level. I’d like to provide you with a more thorough answer with references if you are interested. What I can say for sure is that the pastor in this situation utterly failed this gentleman. I’m sorry to say that it happens far too often, and it breaks my heart.
@@dlogan74 you fail to realize the only difference between you and that hypothetical person is the location they were born...
@@dlogan74 if you were born in that persons location you wouldnt find jesus, and you would be sentenced to hell how is that okay with you? Like you said our conscience is self destructive so why would God bring people into this world who have LITERALLY 0% chance of reforming.
“This seems really made up” yeah I’ve been thinking the same thing about Christianity for the last 20 years now
Lmfao
I completely agree, cuz it totally is
"“Sin is not taken into account when there is no law” (Romans 5:13)"
The youth pastor was wrong. They don't go to hell.
The pastor is wrong because there is no god
That verse means that’s when laws fails, people will fail to consider sin at all.
@@aaronballard8211 and what does that have to do with suicide?
@@aaronballard8211 when the Bible talks about the law, it’s talking about the actual biblical law.
Unless they deny Jesus
Damn this is what I think all the time- as someone whose been going to church since I was in diapers, one day, a lightbulb went off and boom, that shit made no sense to me.
Dude my mom made me abandon any and all religions based off of everything she’s ever said about “what it means” to be Christian. She still expects me to go to church with her tho…
Congratulations, you started thinking for yourself. In that moment you became dangerous.
Same here.
For me it was the entire idea of Jesus’ sacrifice. God sacrificed himself to himself to make himself forgive us for things he made us do and let anyone into heaven as long as they accepted Jesus… so literally the kindest most amazing person ever would go to hell if they didn’t believe and a serial child r*pist and murderer would go to heaven if they did.
Even if the Bible was true; that’s not a god I want to worship
@@Fetidaf Doesn't work like that, you don't go to heaven because you believe and that's it, the bad things you do daily don't just go away because you believe in God.
Jesus's sacrifice is forgiveness for everything mankind did, has done and will do. But what's forgiveness when you are not sorry?, that's what matters, that you truly regret the bad things you do and that you say sorry. When you are sorry and you say it, you are forgiven, you wouldn't hate your children for anything they did, yes, you would be ashamed and who knows, even regret they were born, but never hate them.
That's what God does with sin, he doesn't say "This is to bad to be forgiven, you go to hell, hmm this is a mild sin, you go to heaven" sin is sin and that's it. You are truly sorry in your heart? He forgives you, he already did when he died in the cross, but you have to make that forgiveness count when you talk to him, you build a relation, you repent from your sins. I hope you get it, either way, I love you and he does too.
@@Fetidaf luckily, that's not how God works. Plenty of religions like to add and adjust the few things we do know, and it never makes for a compelling reason to believe in God.
Dude I asked that same question and he stammered so hard In genuine thoughtlessness
I won't stammer: according to the Bible in revelations all who have never heard of Jesus ,dead or alive, would stand before God and given the chance to repent and believe in him during Armageddon.
Also for those wondering about suicide it's forgiveable.
"U can't judge someone who doesn't know"
I lost my religion when I was sitting in church listening to the preacher teach the parable of Jesus and the money lenders. While he was talking, I looked back into the lobby and saw an ATM machine next to the door. That was enough for me
That's the most ignorant reason why someone would lose their religion...
@@lklein9262 If I walk down the street talking to my invisible friend Bobby, I'd be locked up
But if I talk to my invisible friend Jesus, I'm normal. How utterly ridiculous is that?
@@DerezzedMan the most ignorant reason would be "because I don't want to" with no further explanation. Mack makes a decent point that those who are preachers aren't always that great of people and according to many iterations of Christianity, they are necessary to reach God's potential in us so of they can't practice what they preach, how can we follow it?
I abandoned the faith when I became disgusted with the incompetence and corruption of the church, I returned when I stopped blaming them for being flawed human beings. I focus on my own path and I encourage others to do so, the church can’t fulfill its purpose unless we clean up its parts. Hypocrisy, self righteousness and greed are our greatest enemy now.
@@frank_9128 Agreed. The best metaphor I could think of is that we are all climbing a mountain trying to reach the top. Each of us has chosen our own path but religion is wasting its time by running around trying to convince us that we are going the wrong way
when I was 8 after Sunday school my dad explained people believed in the stories. I was like WHAT?! 😂 I just went for the cookies
Omg that’s never how I interpreted that verse. Like, almost every human culture has associated the power of creation with a deity creator. You’ll know God by the wind and the trees, it don’t mean Yahweh and Jesus is written in the clouds
The problem with that interpretation is those deities are essentially idols, so the people worshipping them would still be screwed for breaking a commandment.
@@KermitxSmash it’s okay it’s not real lol
Vro u really tryna say EVERYONE gonna be walkin around they village see trees blowing in the wind and surely they all will end up assuming some higher power made it? Bc if nobody ever told me anything about God or whatever I honestly don't think it would ever cross my mind, instead I'd search for an actual person who is advocating for humanity and be their follower fuck the trees
lmao
@@KermitxSmash I always felt it meant, you can't see the wind.... but you can see the effects of the wind through the trees. You can't see God but you can see his work by his people. True Christianity not poor man's country club Christians.
I'd be out there trippin like....Can you paint with all the colors of the wind?!
I was in one of these chat sessions with a youth group when I was 12 and remember very clearly thinking "I'm too old for this."
It's nice to see this comment section being so healthy and compassionate.
few hours later and it's not the same anymore :(
You want chaos? 👀
I’m seeing a lot of people turning away from God because of experiences they have had with others which breaks my heart
@Jalapos we need to pray for all of these people
For me it was when I expressed I wanted to be a therapist and some kid the same age as me told me that it's bullshit since all they had to do was pray to God to make there depression go away.
"Oh dear Lord.... I pRAY MY AUTISM AWAY PLEASE LORD PLAESE."
😂😂😂😂😂😂
The irony of me finding God during my psychology degree is not lost. I hope you may still pursue your career and your spirituality.
I have prayed for help with my own mental health. I ended up finding a great therapist and psychiatrist. I was diagnosed with ADD this year at 23 😵 God can work a miracle or work through people around us. I hope to encourage Christians to pray and seek therapy. Why not both, right?
@@geekyogurtcup I understand people have religion and it does in fact help them, I'm fine with that, but please do not try and attempt to make me Christian. I do not believe in any god whatsoever and nothing can change that.
@@atticusdrot8638 I hope to never force-feed anyone, so I'm sorry if it came across that way.
@@geekyogurtcup It's ok, it's just whenever someone's about to try they usually sound like that.
I was in my confession class with my brother when he asked the teacher who was gods father and the teachers started getting mad
So do you believe in a God?
One of my earliest childhood memories is being very young sitting in Sunday school just thinking to myself that all this stuff doesn't make sense at all... I was like 3 or 4...
“This seems really made up” that was funny!
when i asked that they said “well you’ve been saved so you’ll be alright”
Perfect example of Christian’s. Care about nothing but themselves 💀🥱
Not a good answer
My mother asked me when I was about 15,
“Son do you still believe in god”?
I said
“Mum, when aliens come from outer space and they are wearing crucifix’s then I will believe”
As a tear rolled down her cheek I realised a simple “No” would have sufficed
she was like "this boy is going to hell 😢"
if i were your relative i would have thrown you a fucking party for making her cry
@@alesabelen1558 fatherless behavior
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@@alesabelen1558 fatherful behavior
„hmmmm seeems really made up“
😂😂😂😂😭
I always believed in Science. One day when I was like 12-13 I just went, “hey, I know objectively that there was no Adam and Eve, no Garden of Eden, because of the Theory of Evolution. I know that bad things happen to good, god-fearing people all the time despite prayers and sacrifices. I know that some parts of the bible concerning things like slavery, divorce, and women’s rights I vehemently disagree with, and also I don’t know how God themself would’ve been able to write it down and ensure it was never mistranslated or changed to fit an agenda. So why do I still believe in it all? I’m a modern and free thinking person, so why do I still believe in something with little to no proof for and and overwhelming evidence against it?”
So I came to the conclusion that the only reason I still believed in it was societal pressure and I fear of having to explain it to my (relatively religious) mother. So I just sat up and said I was an Atheist.
Edit: wow you guys are really aren’t pleased in the comments lol.
You said it perfectly
I too always have believed in science and was stunned when I found out my family did not.
I can't say a specific reason why I became an atheist, but I do remember one moment I watched a UA-cam video that debated religion, the arguments made so much sense, and since then, I have been a strong standing atheist. Maybe I was already an atheist by then, my memory isn't good, but that video definitely sparked something.
i think you can believe in science while still being religious. many people simply follow religion as a way to live better lives, to give them a sort of road map. religion often promotes kindness, charity, and empathy. being religious is about sticking to these principles, which are told through symbolic stories in religious texts that usually aren’t interpreted literally in modern times. while science may disprove some of the literal meaning of religious texts, the messages and their significance still remain.
That’s how it should be, I’ve always said God doesn’t send anyone to Hell, they choose it.
Two enormous problems with your logic, you said you agree with science, which funny enough doesn't disagree with the Bible. You used the theory of evolution as a selling point, which is funny because the definition of theory suggests that it cannot be taken as fact. Imeven if it is true, it is likely that it even credits the Bible, saying that Adam and eve are the first modern humans. Everything before that wasn't an actual human. Part 1/2
Can we first acknowledge that no where does the Bible state that there is a fiery place of torment. “For the dead are conscious of nothing”. Second, heart condition is a major factor, whether someone has heard of Jesus or not. “There will be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteousness.” Christianity has been twisted to scare people into worshiping a vengeful God when nothing is further from the truth. I’m so sorry you experienced that.
Yeah I actually think I wouldn’t hate the idea of religion so much if it wasn’t for all the people. Some bad Christian’s and religious people just use their faith to hide behind the bad choices they make and things they say.
…Gehenna/Hell, the lake of fire, is mentioned by Jesus several times in scripture:
Mark 9:44-48; 10:28; 18:9
Matthew 5:22-30
Luke 12:5
@@goaltender330 no this person is right
@@ExSpheriment ya lol. The Bible is very clear on hell. It even talks about fire and brimstone, so basically it says you're breathing burning sulfur in hell.
@Jacob Pranski JW?
I lost my faith when I cut my hair and my pastor talked to me about how being gay is a sin so you’re going to hell. Even though I literally just cut my hair. And one time I brought my black cousin to church with me and they were superrrr racist
Facts lol it's like how would I know that from trees blowing in the wind 🤣
You wouldnt. The person who told this guy that was a bad teacher.
@@uno9915 what I was told and believed until I graduated high-school and realized that doesn't make any sense
If I remember correctly from my time at church, The Bible says that those who have never had the chance to be witnessed too or had the chance to know Jesus are spared from the flames. My former youth pastor told me that this applies mostly to children and babies who die before being saved and also applies to situations of people who never grew up knowing that the gospel exists.
But it's not possible in the age of the internet not to know that Christianity (or any major religion) exists. And Christians are 31% of the global population. So about 70% of all the people currently alive will go to hell for not being Christian despite knowing about Christianity?
@@zetaforever4953 You realize 37% of the world's population doesn't have access to the internet?
@@bicuriousdirtbikeboi2594 then they have access to cable tv. Same thing. They know about Christianity.
@@zetaforever4953 Again no. Someone living in a village in Africa had little or no access to television
@@bicuriousdirtbikeboi2594 which village? Most of rural Africa does have access to television, although I'm sure there must be one or two villages that don't have it. But since most of Africa is Christian or islamic anyway, even a villager without TV would be hard pressed to claim they've never heard of Christianity.
This sounds like a bad pastor. I was always told that God makes exceptions for good people who had reason as to not be holy and allows them into heaven. If someone on the sentinel islands, who have no contact with the outside world was a good person I would think God would welcome them to heaven.
Yeah, even if you don’t accept Jesus as your savior you can still go to heaven if you were a good person, it’s just god judges you because you didn’t accept Jesus’s sacrifice for your sins.
@@Chriscraft-ug3sz Christians are 31% of the global population. So god would judge 70% of all people on earth for not being Christian?
Exactly
@@Chriscraft-ug3sz then the best way to get to heaven becomes not ever telling someone about Jesus so they don't have to reject the msg and go to hell. This still doesn't make any sense
@@deanned1315 not necessarily. In this case, if all that matters is that you were a good person, hearing about Jesus wouldn't necessarily make a difference. I don't know If it's supported by the Bible but it's not as bad of a system
I was always told that feeling emotional or getting chills from music was good speaking to me. Turns out I just like music.
And also, saying that animals don’t have souls and therefore don’t feel emotion or go to heaven always put me off from religion. If my animals aren’t in heaven, I don’t think I’d want to be there either.
“Wind in the trees” definitely just means “word travels fast” and that you should have heard of it even if nobody has taught you individually, which realistically is the case. But in general, organized religion is a sham and ruins the idea of faith which is essential for living a good and honorable life.
Faith is not essential for living a good and honorable life.
You mean faith as religious faith or like just your own set of morals?
There are known tribes of people on this Earth right now who have never been in contact with ‘modern’ people. Are they all going to Hell?
@@Amazonuser1717 it is when society keeps shifting the norms and moral compass to suit their agenda. We need authenticity and unchanged religion. Like Islam
And before anyone says it 🙄 Terrorists are weirdos who are on a vengeance, simply led astray like those ‘pastors’ or white collar terrorists
@@AlhamdulillahiRabbalalameen I mean idrk what point your trying to make but I’m not faithful to any religion and I believe I live a “good and honorable life”. I don’t need to believe in an almighty power to keep myself in check
In elementary, I asked "how do you know this is the right religion?"
"Because it's been around the longest."
Even at that age I was like wait... what? No it hasn't...
This!! Christianity isn’t even the oldest Abrahamic religion and wouldn’t even exist today if it weren’t for Judaism… Jesus himself was Jewish!! Even if you were to completely cast aside the polytheistic religions that predate Christianity, Judaism would have to be the “Religion that’s been around the longest” by their views.
Someone at my school just told me that it’s the right religion because people use “goddamn” and “Jesus Christ” as swear words, which means that the “devil” is influencing them and if the devil exists Jesus exists.
Well of course we live in a majority Christian country in a majority Christian influenced world of course those are the swears you hear. In reality religion is just a humans way of comprehending death, morality, and nothingness/foreverness. We can not really comprehend anything after death so we make things up based off of stories written hundreds of years after the supposed events in history also known as the Bible. It’s a great fantasy novel, it has good and bad lessons in it but that’s just it, it is a fantasy.
I'm agnostic at best but I'd much prefer a pantheon to a singular god who you 'must fear' but is also 'the embodiment of love?'
I HAVE SIMILAR STORIES but i’m catholic anyways when i went to catholic school my teachers would say that to go to heaven you can’t sin (which is bullshit because everyone’s sins everyday like tattoos, lying, wearing mixed material clothes, sex before marriage, etc) no one is that perfect like even my teachers sinned so based on what they told me they’re going to hell
my entire childhood i prayed and prayed and talked and talked to god but i never felt any sort of connection and i never felt like anyone was there listening
i also thought that a lot of beliefs people had were personal beliefs and not of the bible like being gay or something like that and you know i’ve had many people tell me that’s it’s looked down upon by god but others have told me it’s perfectly fine and god will love me no matter what
also the whole adam and eve shit felt like bullshit to me and evolution just felt for plausible to me
so yes i’m an atheist but sometimes i still find myself praying to god because.... i want him to take away something from me :)))
Hey, man. I am Catholic and think u may have understood some stuff wrong, especially about going to Heaven. It is true that we believe we have to be sinless to go to Heaven but it doesn't mean we should NEVER have sinned. That's absolutely impossible for a regular human being like me or u, just as you said. As for the rest, the Adam and Eve part is not necessarily to be taken word for word. Evolution and Adam and Eve can coexist. I mean that in a way that the Earth was created in 7 days as in to represent that it was created in a period of time (through evolution). You see that it is metaphorical when it is said in the Bible that light was created before day (on two separate days of the week). This is not my opinion only but also the interpretation of the Church and many prominent priests (check out Fr. Mike Schmidt). I don't know any Catholic who is creationist (I am not saying they don't exist, but I have met my own fair share of Catholics haha). As for the other concerns, I will need to read your comment again as it is very late here and I have already forgotten haha. I hope I did not come accross as condescending or anything. I just want to help ♡ Pls ask me if u have any questions of course, although I am no scholar but an 18-year-old revert.
Same here
@@noemie6804 there's still problems with that interpretation though. Like if you can sin anyway, does sin matter at all as long as you repent at the end? How do you know what is and is not metaphor? It's only a metaphor when it contradicts itself? What about the things that are sins that aren't really wrong? Why is wearing clothes made of more than one material a sin? What about pork and shrimp? Sex before marriage? All things that don't really have any reason to be considered sin
You can believe in the Story of Creation and in the Theory of Evolution.
Many events in the Bible have at least some historical pretense, like Noah's flood, as there was a massive flood thousands of years ago at the end of the last ice age that put large parts of the world, particularly Mesopotamia, underwater.
The Santorini Volcanic Eruption is a likely suspect as the cause for the plagues of Egypt.
We must keep in mind that while although the Bible is the word of God, those words were inscribed by men, men who probably did not have a very good understanding of science or many historical events.
@@wakandaforever2401 that's kinda my point. Many Christians like to claim that the Bible is perfect and literal in its meaning, when that just doesn't match up with reality. It was written by men who introduced their own biases and beliefs, so you can't really tell what was inspired by God and what wasn't. In that way, you're able to clear up most of the inconsistencies within Christianity but leaves you without any real information
the thing about suicide was one of the things that threw me off, really. like as far as i know, you must be sane and mentally stable to be held responsible for your actions. but then again if a person is so far gone that they take their own life? doesn't sound like something a stable person would do to me. yet they're still told to be destined to hell
Several years ago someone I loved committed suicide and I was so upset, with the idea of him going to hell even though he was such a good person, that my super religious uncle read through the whole Bible and never once found anything about unforgivable sins
My bubble got pocked when I got a girlfriend and her church was more evangelical than mine. I noticed that most of those people where damaged by life. Fled from a country because of death threats, no more contact with the children, no children, sickness, depression, etc..
And they where very full of God. And that's when it struck me.
The didn't believe because it was true, it was their unconscious coping mechanism.
I eventually got in an argument with my ex that God loves all people, including the pedophiles, murders, rapists, etc..
I could live with Jesus and his humanity. But to cherish the love of an indifferent God... that's way to illogical for me.
Look into Islam, and I mean the Quran and not the people; you may just find exactly what you’re looking for & everything finally making sense. May Allah guide us all, Ameenn
This is interesting because for me the grace of god is one of the most precious things. How could he possibly still love rapists/murderers and such even after they hurt him so much with their awful actions? How much love can he have for us humans? It really is mindboggling, but He isn't human, He doesn't have the same limitations.
Yeah lol people use religion to cope with life. I didn’t realize everyone didn’t know this lol. But I wasn’t raised in a religion so I guess it’s easier to see from the outside. But I’ve known this as long as I can remember
@@fatimafazjahan I wouldn’t recommend a boo that was written by a guy who married a 6 year old
Your not thinking of love in the right definition
once when i was 6, this girl who knew my family was atheist asked me "so u don't believe in god??? ur going to hell then!!"
so like yeah maybe don't push heavy religious beliefs onto your children so said children don't give other children an existential crisis?
When I was a kid one of my class mates said that if I wasn't religious how could I celebrate Christmas. He didn't phrase it as a genuine question and more as an insult like I was stupid. I then asked him how he can celebrate valentines day when nobody likes him.
Yeah around the same age this girl told me my dad was in hell because he killed himself
I was already kinda out the door on religion but when my youth pastor said “The bible is true because the Bible says it’s true.” What kind of circular logic is that? A book says the book is fact so we believe it?? Didn’t even give like the countless actual testimonies that correlate with Christianity and give it some kind of grounding. Just “the book said so!” I was so done after that lol.
That's an approach called presuppositionalism, common mostly in evangelical protestantism. There are other options.
@@ruthiejocarpenter584 yes because one true god gives you options.
Man If the Sunday school teachers weren't so bad at teaching the word of God and actually cared christianity wouldnt get so much hate.
so basically what i’m getting from all these comments, is that youth pastors nowadays really don’t know enough about the bible to be teaching it, yet they do anyway, and people turn away from God because of it
" The Only Difference Between Suicide and Martyrdom is Press Coverage" is a pretty fun bop from Panic! at the Disco.
My dad started taking me to church when I was in elementary school and made me go to Bible study groups in middle school but I must be a natural skeptic because not once in my entire life did I think that the Bible was the word of a higher power. So many wasted sundays
So many wasted Sundays. I was raised in the church. Mom was a teacher at Sunday school and preschool did admin work in the office, dad did IT and alcohol. Once my parents got divorced they kicked my mom out and kept my alcoholic father, and I saw the hypocrisies. Dad got help and converted. It's a good thing your dad started taking to church you after you had already developed a personality, less damage.
Look into Frank Turek. The Bible has been the most scrutinized book since the beginning and still hold true. We take some many “ historical” instances in time as fact, such as Alexander the Great without every thinking twice.
most people are mad their grandma died so they can’t believe in God, or they don’t want to be held accountable for their actions and would rather create their truth.
All I can say, is do more research. Pick up a Bible.
It wasn't catholicism but some weird buddhism, you dont how much time was wasted doing nothing aka praying while the men/husbands were sinning right in front of us. Hypocritical/10
@@courtneyharrell7758 Did you not read my comment? I went to Bible study for years. Comments like yours do more to drive people away instead of bringing them closer God.
When my daughter was several months old, my husband's family member told my husband that we needed to baptize our daughter to save her soul. My husband looked at her and said that there is nothing wrong with her soul. Family member said that if something happens, we need to make sure that our daughter's soul reaches Heaven. My husband told her that any God that would allow an innocent child to go to Hell because we didn't baptize her is not a God he wants to pray to.
I feel the exact same way. Damning an innocent child is unconscionable. I have yet to find a version of any god that I would want to worship, though.
I'm so sorry that they misrepresented God to you. Your child is indeed born without sin and without condemnation. Jesus loves you. I pray all is well with you and your family and that The Lord's face shines upon you and you are reinvigorated with His love
@@LammasDeluge unfortunately the condemnation here is by people who say they believe but then do not act / speak with that belief. I pray you find the love of God and that your cup overflows. May God bless your life and may you be abundant in all things
@@Joshua_Wink Thank you. Our daughter is a beautiful 21 year old woman now. We did baptize her in the Lutheran church when she was about 18 months old. We had 2 more children, our oldest son is a few days shy of 18 and our youngest son is 8 and a half. We did not baptize either of the boys though. I am not Christian and my husband was an ordained minister. He passed away 7 months ago after an 8 year battle with Cancer. He was diagnosed 3 days before our youngest son was born. I know he is on the other side now and healthy, whether it be Heaven with Jesus, reincarnated as a new soul, or having earned his place beside all of the Gods.
That’s not Christianity that’s Catholicism. Please don’t base your beliefs off of your bad experiences with others
Damn, imagine going to a Christian youth group that accidentally made you lose your faith 💀
This happened to my daughter unfortunately. She was deeply traumatized by not one, but two of our youth pastors. (not sexual, it was done by bullying mostly)
@@Fair-to-Middling it's important to consider that she might have valid reasons other than bullying. Many parents want to attribute their kids losing faith to a failure on the part of the youth group or trauma or anger related to the religion but thats rarely the only reason someone loses faith. It's often because they find real issues with what they're being told, it's either internally consistent or doesn't match what they see in reality. Just don't assume other people's reasoning, even if you're related to them
My life lol. No groups that actively discourage critical thinking and lack answers when confronted with basic questions are worth putting time or effort into. My bi youth pastor having gay threesomes with his wife while teaching us the horrors of un-missionary, non-child-producing sex was also a fun irony. But mostly for me always being interested in film the realization it's all a performance to evoke a cathartic emotional response opened my eyes. Nothing cosmic about it. Imagine the self-importance to think a GOD is talking to YOU... Anyway, the benefits of a trip to church are nothing you can't also get from a healthy mental regimen, and without all the harmful "fishers of men" "holier than thou" ideology.
"I feel so sad and unsaved to the point I wanna commit suicide and maybe God will save me :)"
*Ends up in hell*
Uh yeah, the way everyone talks makes it seem like an abusive relationship and no thank you. I will not "worship" anything or anyone
You already do. The question is, what do you worship, and is it worth it?
@@jasonseipler2665 what do they worship then if you make the claim they worship something. You also likely have a different definition of worship than they do yet that is unexplained
@@jasonseipler2665 lol why do theists think that atheists "worship" anything. We don't believe in a higher power point blank period 🤷♀️
@@jasonseipler2665 are you implying that I worship Satan? I don't worship *anything.* i will love, respect, and cherish someone/thing, but I will *never* worship them. There's a power dynamic to worshipping that I just don't agree with. I demand equality in all of my relationships, so I don't see why a relationship with a god should be any different. Do they respect you enough to *not* demand worship? Why do they demand anything? If you wouldn't apply it to your physical, tangible life, then why is it okay in your relationship with your god?
Omg I remember the day I lost mine when I asked the youh pastor "did God write the Bible?" And she said, "no, it was written by man inspired by God"
In that moment I felt like, "oh so this is fanfiction I see." I was 11
Okay so the bible was written by men, but the throughout the bible it says how the holy spirit was the one that guided them on what to write.
Tbh I've never really had faith in the first place, I used to go to church every Wednesday and Sunday attended everything. And I never really cared to much for it. So it's like that question was my turning point
Lmao this is EXACTLY what made me change my mind when I was about 10
That's why I like Hinduism.
The concept of God is based around logical things that we can see in reality.
Sun, Wind, Fire, Water, Earth, Universe, Destruction, Music, Wealth and so on...
Just to make it more humane, Hinduism gives these concepts/resources a human figure.
Intelligent and Real.
That is exactly what I was told by my pastor many years ago. I knew that couldn’t be true! What kind of loving father would send someone, who didn’t know about him, to hell? Exactly, He wouldn’t. I’m now a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and this is NOT what we believe, and it makes way more sense!
So what do you believe then? If someone never finds out about God then they go to heaven? That's just as bad, as spreading the word is condemning far more people to hell than it could ever save. It doesn't make more sense its just a different kind of weird
@@thedudeamongmengs2051 we will all be judged, whether you believe Christ or not.
Believing in His sacrifice, and having faith in it, is supposed to cut us a lot of slack, because no one is perfect.
@@el7284 seems pointless. Why should faith alone cause us to be forgiven? Or even help? If you're a bad person, belief in Jesus doesn't change that
@@thedudeamongmengs2051
I might end up creating a bigger problem, but let me try to address this from my understand and experience.
Faith seems to have some primordial spiritual power, and it's extremely difficult to grasp for me. Why faith alone? I don't know exactly. It's likely because if we used our physical effort, we would lose sight of the sacrifice.
However, let's look at this. Remember the men crucified together with Jesus. They were bad according to biblical and social law, weren't they? Yet, one was saved at the last minute. And I don't think he was being crucified for being a petty thief.
Technically, we're all guilty as the next. That's why Jesus kept preaching love, understanding, and _forgiveness._ The idea is that a true believer, or disciple, tries to emulate the way Christ thinks and treats other people.
I'm actually living this situation right now, where there's a particularly destructive person in my family who some of us just wish would die.
However, over the course of several prayers and Holy spirit visitations, we realised that focusing on the spiritual persecution of that person was a waste of time. One time the HS said "don't focus on [them]"
This was in the middle of one particularly bad situation invited by that individual which was threatening to sweep the whole family away.
Now I don't have all the answers, there are much better informed people out there. What I'll say way God interacts directly with us almost nondeterministic according to our own reasoning.
@@el7284 from the sound of it, a lot or all of what you believe is based on assumptions and feelings. Faith might feel like it has primordial importance to you, but to me and to many others, it doesn't. It really doesn't have any importance to me at all. I'm not sure what you mean by us "losing sight of the sacrifice". The thieves probably were put to death for something like petty theft. Or maybe it was just theft. Either way it probably wasn't some grand crime. The Roman's crucified so many people that they had mass graves where they just threw the bodies. It's unlikely that all those people were horrible people. They were probably convicted of crimes we would consider minor today. And forgiveness as it is in the bible isn't really a good kind of forgiveness. Jesus did say some good things but he also said some bad things. "Forgiveness as long as you worship me" isn't forgiveness. Forgiveness can be a good thing in your life, but it can also be a bad thing. You shouldn't forgive abusers too easily. You shouldn't forgive people when they just do it again. Even if they don't, you shouldn't have to forgive people that have seriously and permanently harmed you. Forgiveness from God isn't really justice
For me, it was learning about the unimaginable scale of the universe, and thinking:
“I’m not going to be so arrogant as to assume that I have a personal relationship with a deity that made every planet, star, and galaxy there ever was or will be.”
…or that said omnipotent creator took specifically an interest in our world, and had an Arab Jew son 2000 years ago (but the son is also him).
Asserting that idea of a personal god (or really, any specific god) given the grand scale of the space and time of the cosmos will always seem intellectually dishonest to me. And being willfully intellectually dishonest is not something I can or want to bring myself to do.
I stopped believing in the church when I went to one that started to insult other denominations. I still believe in God in a way. I love Jesus. I don't attend church anymore because I haven't found one that is about actual good faith and love. It's all warning of sin and how I'm going to hell since I am lgbtqia+ and had a child and am unmarried which is not true. I believe there is a diety and for me it is God I also recognize others like Allah and Buddha. I'm sure there are so many more. I try to live my life in an ok way and I honestly believe God is like a cool uncle/dad that everyone will get along with. Like He's chill and stuff. Idk anyone else agree?
Yes 100% man wrote religion. God loves us all and Jesus was just like us. I suggest you read some books. Neale Donald walsh-complete conversations with God. Anything at all by Eckhart Tolle, especially 'the power of now'. The alchemist - paulo coelho and the autobiography of a yogi by paramahansa yogananda 🙏🙏🙏
You're ready to become a hippie. Faith Love and Peace brother
Clean shaven Gianmarco is uncanny
It could mean that the “wind in the trees” statement is an expression, that the wisdom of surrendering your ego and putting faith into God is universal, all people wherever they are on the planet, are capable of knowing God.
I like that but I hate all these people talking bad about god
@@naterice yeah it’s really unfortunate, he’s my favorite character in the whole book. Because he has all those superpowers and is perfect.
Capable of knowing any form of God/higher power found within themselves, yes. Knowing that Jesus is their savior or even any religious text, definitely not.
Which is exactly why you do not need a book or a corporate church to tell you how to believe in or love God 🙏❤️
@@naterice chances are they’re just talking about an idea or entity they don’t believe in and you’re interpreting it as an insult to your god.
For me, it was when I took a look at God’s atrocities (mass genocide, intentional blinding, muting, torture) and realized that no “merciful” being would allow these things to occur, let alone perform them.
Teacher and the students follow different rules. As it should be
@@Blaztoize No. If God commits murder, then God is a murderer and should be treated as such. The rules that teachers follow are not so different that they can bring a gun into the campus. Don’t make excuses for God being a serial killer, and arguably a rapist (Virgin Mary) just because he’s your “teacher.”
Mercy has the same definition, no matter whom it’s applied to, and God is not merciful.
Youre human m8 created by God and you can dictate what he decides to do? The prideful arrogance you think you have to criticize God is embedded in you, repent and turn away
God created us all. To tests Us. Mass genocides you say it is not God who permitted that action . It was an action of his creation By their own free WILL. It’s nothing to be attributed to the one who created it but the one who did it. Blindness muting torture this is all a test. God taught us to be grateful when we see the blind and to return back to him to thank him for his generosity. He also made the mute as an example for us to also return to him And thank him for his generosity. And torture it’s an act of free will buy people this is nothing to blame upon God he put us all on this earth to test us and if we commit sin surely as he promised punish those who bring tragedy harm and oppression on his land.
He promised us that Hell will be their destinations mass genocide torture rape murder The punishment of these acts can never truly be solved on this planet on. in this universe the only place is HELL. for those who act in that manner.
@@Justme-xe3tr God has killed many, many, many people, thousands! BY HIMSELF! GOD COMMITS MURDER WITHOUT GETTING HUMANS TO DO IT FOR HIM!
That “depart from me, for I never knew you” gon hit hard boi😮💨
Is God fair? If so then how fair is it for someone who had no chance of ever knowing God or Jesus to be cast into Hell?
The funny thing is that it is usually the same 20 questions that make people doubt, and most churches can’t answer them. That youth pastor’s answers are not in line with scripture.
1. The Bible does not say you go to hell for committing suicide.
2. Go read about people in the Middle East that have vivid dreams and visions of Jesus. It is happening all over. Also, maybe some people that never would have believed are placed far away for that reason.
Acts 17:26-27 NIV
“From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.”
That’s so sad. It’s crazy how things like that are the biggest reasons why people turn away from wanting to have a relationship with God instead of following a leader/religion… sometimes it’s best to just say you don’t know or try and at least fast and pray for the answer..
I mean...is it sad that this guy realized that having a "relationship" with an imaginary being isn't that important to him? Should he just have prayed for the wind in the mulberry trees to tell him an imaginary god exists? I think it's quite fortunate that this guy's youth pastor showed him that the rules of that faith are nonsense.
maybe get a new youth pastor… our youth pastor talked to us about her depression and suicide and she said that finding the lord helped to save her life.
Yeah that may work for some people but for others it makes the problem worse. When someone has depression and is a Christian, they're led to believe that they aren't a good enough Christian, and then no matter what they do, the problem only gets worse and they feel worse about themselves because they're told God will cure them if they're good enough, but they never get cured so they believe they're never good enough. For every person that Christianity actually helps with mental illness, there's a bunch more for whom it does way more harm. If you have mental illness, go to a therapist, not a church
That’s good! I’ve met people who were complete satanists who have come to Christ and they’ve said their lives have completely changed in all good ways. I believe the youth pastor he talked about answered the questions horribly and it sounded like he gave no reason behind his answer.
@@captain_skipper295 Satanists aren't necessarily bad people. They don't actually worship Satan. And it is most definitely not a good thing. Mental illness calls for therapy. You wouldn't go to church to treat a broken leg, and if you would, you've been lied to
@@captain_skipper295 only people who believe in god believe in satan lmfao. Don’t use “satanist” as a synonym for non religious 💀💀 it literally is the exact opposite
Cool. I was constantly suicidal until I disconnected religion from my life. Turns out attaching eternal consequence to real-world actions isn't healthy for most humans looking to live without cognitive dissonance. Different strokes for different folks.
Bruh same here, even as a kid I was looking around like: what the?? Good thing it caused me to question everything more so, winning!
Wdym? So you just think we all spawned here out of nowhere? You think the planets and atmosphere were aligned conveniently just out of luck? I think you're questioning the wrong things bud
@@uno9915 you ask what I meant, than come up with all that. Interesting
I went to a Christian high school and we asked this question to our senior religion teacher. And she actually gave us an answer that wasn’t horrible. She said that they would see god and make their choice of if they wanted to be with him or not after they died.
Imagine ending for life because it was too painful, but god was like: "lmfao, here's some lava jacuzzi. enjoy."
Well, I mean, you really don't have to imagine it....when that's the truth 🤷🏾♀️
@@yaee123 so your god is just really really bored to the point where people who no longer wish to suffer are sent to concentration camps to suffer even further?