I really don't get some of these comments doubting the quality of Chinese vessels for little else than stereotypical reasons. I'll ask all of you to remember WW2, where hubris about the technological capabilities of the Japanese, at the time viewed as a backwards country, resulted in the bureau of ordnance doubting the Long Lance torpedo existed. This underestimation of adversary capabilities cost many sailors their lives, and repeating it because of ill-backed and anecdotal preconceptions about Chinese manufacturing seems like folly.
Having dealt with Chinese manufacturing the stereotype is because they provide poor quality products unless you both specify exactly what you want and pay for good quality, often this costs just as much as a quality American, Japanese, Korean, or German product so you will almost never see high quality Chinese goods outside of China. The US navy and Congress know that the PLAN pays for quality and plans accordingly. Ignorant UA-cam comments thankfully have no effect on military policy.
But China still tries to reengineer things while taking shortcuts. There is proof of that. Take Russia's tires when they first entered Ukraine. There would be 4-8 tires on the side of the road while not being hit with shrapnel or mines. Just flat... China couldn't even get tires right..
@kieranroberts5947 Yes, Kieran, Japan got nuked, and almost a hundred thousand US servicemen died, double that were injured, and 200 warships were sunk. I feel we can both agree that's not the ideal here when taking your opponent seriously could avoid a good part of those. Being reductive helps nobody, and only results in more deaths and injuries when a war actually breaks out.
China doesn't seem to have the culture of precision compared to the US. Compare US SUBSAFE success to Chinese sub incidents (oxygen generation failure on a nuke sub?) and documented Soviet navy shortcomings that may have transferred over (type 001 carrier ain't great), it's not a stretch to say quality is questionable. The real honest answer is that nobody really knows how fragile or robust the PLA is (probably not even the Chinese due to corruption).
Type052 113 was launched EXACTLY 2 weeks short of 20 years ago on Oct. 18, 1993! I checked this video was from "2 weeks" ago, did you time-traveled from 20 years ago? WOW! Back to the Future! Since then China has built 4 batches of 052Ds of total 35 ships each equiped with 4 AESA radars and 64 vertical launch units.
Your mention of the LM 2500 Gas Turbines reminded me of a debate we had one night in the wardroom in 1980. The debate was what was the irreducible minimum number of people it would take to STEAL (Strategically Transfer Equipment to an Alternate Location) a Spruance-class destroyer. The number we came up with was one. You start the gas turbines in Main Control, go up on deck and cut the mooring lines, then go to the bridge and drive from the bridge wing using the remote helm/lee helm trick wheel. I doubt you could do that with a PLAN ship. It wouldn't be pretty and I'm certain you would scratch the paint but you'd have yourself a great destroyer until you needed to fill it up.
This would work on a Tico as well. The ine thing is anyone that knew how to get the turbines up would run aground getting out of port. And anyone that can drive her would not get the mains going I guess a week of training can overcome both of those..
I thought chinas best ship by far is the type 055 large destroyer? Did you mean best ship at that time or do you think this design is superior to the type 055? Also do you plan to do a type 055 video next?
*Best Ship when launched would be more accurate :) Late 90s early 2000s is an interesting period where they experimented with several different models just a few years apart or even simultaneous but only made 1-2 of each. Between 1994 and 2014 they built or bought 7 different destroyer models ! It is an interesting evolution to follow and they went from something resembling the Farragut class of the late 50s to a later model Burke competitor in those 20 years.
@@helloterran building a surface combat platform that integrates across naval full spectrum warfare systems across generations to meet target peer threats is the same as interating smartphone generations ?
@@aaronrey2658 maybe you don't get it. Let me reiterate: China builds 80% of worlds' ships too, including the most complicated ships like LNG and cruise ships. Think of USN as the pre-WWII IJN, and PLAN as the pre-WWII USN, you'll find the analogy very interesting.
Compared to the Tofu Dregs ships they make now, this one's a "classic"! Hope for their sake the boats float better than their buildings stand. Chicom is crap. Parts, tools, everything. Every mechanic, carpenter, plumber and tradesman already know this.
Seems guy want to appease the audience that are not ready to accept China's naval ship competition. China made type-052D and made those in numbers and than type-055 destroyers which are obviously one of the world's deadliest warships today.
H/PJ-33B is the official designation, per the multi-service equipment naming system which seems to have been released in 1987 and renewed in the 21st century. The letters are primarily from the respective Pinyin initials, for example, H=Hai Jun=Navy/Naval, P=Pao=(artillery)Gun, J=Jian Zai=Shipboard, and the last letter B refs to the sub models. There are exceptions, such as the letter A after the / actually represents missile (Dao dan), and the official doc is not publicly available so it's kind of guesswork but if you understand Chinese, you can have a pretty close guess.
The two diesels you mention at 2:45 are V12s, as in 12 cylinders in a V shape, 6 on each side. If it were 12 valve that'd be hard cause that's one valve per cylinder lol. It *is* MTU 12V but that's just the format for the model, 12 cylinders, V format. 6I would be 6 Inline, 24X would be in an X formation, etc.
I understand the algorithim blah blah blah, but nonetheless it is dissapointing to see these vidoes headlined by "clickbait". I come here for serious news about serious topics, and headlines aside it is one of the best places for US centric naval news IMO.
You can get underway in 10 minutes, but I would call that an emergency procedure. You need about an hour to safely bring the entire engineering plant online.
Well, if you need to scramble a docked warship from port to intercept an incoming threat instead of redirecting nearby naval or air assets, chances are you are in a legit emergency.
@@liyang6059 But the risk is damage to the propeller shaft and reduction gears. So to save a $10M target you're bringing down a $1B warship. I doubt the Chinese warships cost that much, but ours do.
I was gonna say there’s a lot more than Judy’s tarting a turbine to get a ship out to sea. But, he used to be on nuclear subs so believe me he’s well aware😂
You found a ship that was built at least 30 years ago and said it was the best destroyer in China, then criticized it. What a typical American style propaganda.
@m_c_8656 HTMS Taksin (FFG-422) had US and European syatems fitting in Shanghai. Supposedl y the new Thai amphip supposed to have western electronics installed in Thailand, but I no longer trust Thailand. Of course China right there in theif face, US far away and fading under Progressivism.
can you immagine the conversation between the shipbuilder and the thai government. Thai gov: "okay so we need mk41 cells installed here are the schematics to build them" Chinese shipbuilder: "oh no need we already have those"
It is very interesting to learnt so much form this video, especially those small stories like how the 1989 June 4th incident affects the ship, the use of US and Germany engines and France sonars and etc. Wish to see more videos on other type 052's or even the 055 to come, with the same level of details and little interesting side stories.
At 10:54 it looks just like the Mk32 torpedo tubes we used for a combination of Mk46 and Mk44 torpedoes in the RAN decades ago. A single 44 on each side and a pair of 46s. It also took us 8 hours to get the steam turbines up from cold, but I was told it was “only” 6 hours in an emergency. We also had 2 massive diesel generators purely for electricity when the turbines were not running and we didn’t have shore power. They were loud. I had to walk between them to get to the paint shop just below the FX…
Eurasia Naval Insight provides far better cover of the PLANs assets. They also mention the unfortunate fact for the West, that China can out-produce the West (NATO / AUKUS) by a vast margin. Because of the sanctions pressure, China now produces everything it needs, with effectively zero reliance on overseas components for all military assets.
As Stalin is often attributed: "Quantity has a quality all its own" Even if their navy isn't up to western standards, the ability to outproduce its western opponents in Asia should not be underestimated.
This exactly why the Allies won WW2, America's manufacturing ability. The issue is now reversed. Germany in WW2 had the quality in armaments. But they could not produce the quality in quantity and subsequently lost the war. We should not underestimate China, they have stolen so much western technology and reversed engineered it , they may miss some stuff , but at the end of the day they will have the quantity. Never under estimate your adversary.
@@frankquinn1296 They haven't stolen anything. Rather, your Corporatist culture GAVE them all that technology, because you identified their skilled yet very cheap workforce as an asset you could exploit. The Chinese Government were very happy for you to do this, since they plan far further ahead than the next quarterly balance sheet. Maybe you need reminding of Mike Pompeo (CIA Chief) and his infamous but true comment regarding the USA - "We Cheat, We Lie, We Steal".
@@namyun2743 Their land and ship-borne missile assets are far in excess of Western capability. They have used their time, manufacturing resources and capability to specifically target Western naval assets, hence the DF21 (of which they have many). A comparatively cheap and at the moment completely unstoppable ship-destroyer.
China was an ally in the 90s. US politicians can sell you any narrative they want. Japan was an enemy, Russia were an ally some 70 years ago. Then China was an ally till 90s, Even Iran was an ally by some point. Guess what politicians and generals make money and change policies all the time. Perhaps 20 years later China may become an ally again so chill out.
Because we know roughly what they are capable of and how they operate. Also they are old tech. It's not like we sold them anything top secret or they can't find someplace else.
The US is aware of Chinese capabilities but more worrisome is the NUMBER of ships produced by the amazing productivity. China subscribes to the notion which advocates the numerical superiority is by itself a strength.The same strategy the US used during the WW2 against Japan.
I get wanting to doubt the capabilities of the enemies, but we cant afford to underestimate them so its essential to develop counters based on the claimed capability of the enemy
I was looking at those stats like, 55000hp = health points… I was like, wtf? Hp? :S Took a few minutes to click, it’s HORSIES! 😂 think I need to sleep >.
If this was the best Chinese ship, where would you place 052D and the bigger and more advanced 055? not to mention that the rumored 055A is going to be a big step up from the current 055
The most frightening this about this situation is the disparity of industrial capacity we have compared to China. Modern wars are about manufacturing, steel production, and ship building and China outclasses us by far in all three categories.
Wealth is the ability to produce product. Our government and business leaders traded our wealth for money. Doing business in China should be illegal and politicians should face audits, asset seizures and gallows.
@@Les537 thank nixon for opening that one up, though once addicted to cheap consumer goods no US administration has wanted to cut reliance. this is only just now beginning to be politically viable for both parties.
I agree with your assessment, and I have to believe that our military is keenly aware of China's strength in the areas you mention, as well as 'rare earth' materials mining and production, and sheer manpower. Another strength is proximity to where any conflict with China would occur. For example, Taiwan is ~100 miles from China's mainland, while our San Diego naval base is 7000 miles away. Even an outpost like Guam is 1900 miles away. Then, there the shallowness of the waters in the Taiwan straight. While it has a deep channel, it's narrow and confined. Most of it only a few hundred feet, and a substantial portion of that is half that. Not good for subs. So, if you were a military strategist, your challenge is to 'play to your strengths', and figure a way to minimize the handicaps.
@@Les537 It is simplistic to just point fingers at business. I've never run a business, but it's clear they just cater to consumer tastes. It dates me, but I remember back in the 1960s, 'made in America' really meant something. In the '70's Japanese cars, motorcycles, cameras and consumer electronics grew enough to begin dominating those industries. By the mid '80s, companies like Chrysler were demanding congressional action. In a hearing, Chrysler's chief executive (Lee Iococca?) complained about 'dumping'. He was countered by an executive from Toyota who painted out his compensation was perhaps a tenth that of the Chrysler executive despite Chrysler's struggles, and that while Chrysler's bonus structure is based on short term quarterly performance, Toyota's was based on 5 year plans. OUCH! That didn't go well. Some trade barriers were enacted. But it was clear we also needed to look inward and recognize our own weaknesses.
@@gregparrott another mistake was equating Chinese production with other Asian countries that were in America's economic empire. Japan is effectively an American imperial possession. just like Britain used to trade freely within its own empire so america should have stuck to that. by trading with imperial rivals at such a high rate and allowing capital to migrate to your imperial competitor is a massive mistake. on the flip side, protectionism leads to wars. don't know the right answer but what I do know, the thing that led the USA to victory in WW2, manufacturing capacity, has been lost just look at the wests inability to sufficiently manufacture shells for Ukraine. all our planning for WW3 hasn't accounted for the fact we might actually have to fight a long conventional war. just like chemical and biological weapons were too awful and self defeating to be used on the battlefield in WW2, I suspect nuclear weapons will be the same in WW3. war is about achieving your political objectives and nuclear weapons are useless in that respect.
Two things worth remembering: - America learns _every_ military lesson the hard way - Both World Wars were initially catastrophic disasters for US forces There will *not be time* for you to recover after the next "Pearl Harbour" event - the US had better clean house and return to diplomacy _sharpish,_ for all of our sakes
The only "diplomacy" that would prevent war with China is completely rolling over for them, which would be disastrous for both our future and freedom in the world. The CCP isn't going to do anything other than what they think is in their best interest, no matter how nicely we treat them. Right now they're sure that's controlling Taiwan, the resources and sea lanes of the South China Sea, and all the tech users throughout the world, so that's what they're going to attempt to do. What could we offer them that would outweigh that attraction other than humiliating destruction?
@@StatueofGuyThinking It doesn't matter if you're 2 oceans away 1) t's not 1940 anymore and 2) nobody is invading The information sphere is everywhere; and boogaloo is one twisted news story away.. you're obviously a sensible, right thinking American but many tens, perhaps even hundreds of millions of Americans *are not* Stay strong, cousin - we need ya ❤🍻
@@jacobsmith1105 What most people don't actually understand is they 2 schools Of warfare inside China One is people's warfare They like warships between for frigates around four thousand tons and Destroyers around seven thousand tons. warfare high technology They like the frigates to be around about 6000 tons and the destroyers to be around about 10,000 tons. They try to look like the US Navy so the Chinese Navy will be really interesting
All the comments discrediting Chinese quality. Makes me wonder how many people here have iPhones. Can't be that bad if people stand in lines for hours.
At the 5:40 mark the ship is in San Diego Harbor passing in front of the HQ buildings on NAS North Island. In 1986 I was on one of the three US navy ships that visited Qingdao China (city had different spelling back then). Purpose of trip was to sell US tech. The Chinese bought some and copied a lot and I can see some of the influences of our visit in this ship. What we saw of their ships back then was a bunch of rust buckets. Some interesting notes on China back then, the city ran on coal and they where still building new coal fired steam locomotives!
@@MrJustice-i From reading his post I don't think he is living in 1986. What he is saying is that the Chinese naval ships BACK THEN in the 1980s were rusted and obsolete, and just to develop this Luhu class destroyer in the 1990s, they had to import and reverse engineer a lot of western tech. Same went for the rest of the country since they were still building steam locomotives. But that was 1986, and now it is obviously completely different. Steam locomotives have turned into the fastest high speed trains in the world, and reverse engineered early Chinese destroyers have now turned into indigenous designed 11,000 ton Type 055 cruisers and 80,000 ton EMALS equipped CATOBAR carriers.
@@MrJustice-i I am Chinese living in Hong Kong. I don't quite like your post here. Although I find the title "What NO ONE Will Tell You About China's Best Ship" is not quite correct (the old 052 is the China's best ship?"). I don't find any showing of "Ignorance" from Johnknapp952's comment here. If you are not happy with the comment on "bunch of rust buckets", or "city ran on coal" or "still building new coal fired steam locomotives", please state your reasons here. If those are facts back in 1986, or if they were improved long ago (since then), you can update us here.
Please; could you include metric figures too? It sucks to always pause the video and pick a calculator in order to transform that unintelligable gibberish that is the imperial system into something understandable.
One question that I have is, do you think the Chinese have built new classes of ships to expand on or carry forward the capabilities of the type 52 in their modern fleet?
@@tommallory4841 ah got it, thanks! Does the type 55 also provide the same C&C capabilities that the 52 does? Does it slot into a different role? Thanks!
Small quick update: type055 wights 11,000 tons, 112 VLS（4 in 1 capable），AESA in both X and S band, Double helo bay. Loads with YJ-21 10 mach Hyper sonic ASM. It's completely different next Gen of type 052. Mean while, 052b/c/d got big different from original 052 as well... @@RahulDevanarayanan
Thanks for the video and intel. But something doesn't add up. At 15:15 the lower launcher has 24 tubes, not 16. I assume it's a "representative" picture and not the actual launcher on the ship?
OK, so this model ship has 1995 "Best in Class" gas/diesel propulsion the US had at that time and the Chinese couldn't duplicate it.. So, how relevant is that ship today? You say the 2 ships underwent a modernization refit in 2011 and now has Chinese state of art for that year but the propulsion system is still likely the same. I guess the question is how does that propulsion system rate today? Is it likely still highly reliable? How does that propulsion system rate against others China has developed since and how would it rate against current US engines? Or, is the right way to evaluate the propulson system simply whether it can reliably support likely mission assignments? I assume that any US technology can be assumed capable of Blue Water missions and the US technology on these shps should be no different. BTW - I can't believe all the comments to this video questioning the sale of American technology to China. The sale negotiated pre 1995 when the US was on decent terms with China for at least a couple of decades or so and long before Xi showed up in 2013 putting China on a different path to fill his personal ambitions of becoming a world power bent on destroying the USN in some future battle. It's as though the people who comment have no sense of history and global politics.
Already building in China yard is the upgraded version of types55 a 10,000 ton destroyer the best in the world. They are now building the next generation up upgraded Type55 to 15,000 ton. They will be able to carry twice the amount of missiles to 250, it will be the most advance destroyed even build in history. Railgun and laser weaponry will be it standard weaponry.
Friendly Suggestion: Audiences won't know where your eyes were looking at and talking about in a picture. Paint an arrow where you are looking at or talking about bring more clarity and ease.
This guy must lost lots of sleep during his adult life at night knowing the Chinese invented Gunpowder, the Compass and paper. 😂 imagine writing or drawing on a piece of leather
@@johnalwang Oh yeah my bad. I misremembered and had to look it up. What they actually took was GEs ground and aviation based turbines. From 2008 until the summer of 2018 A GE Employee by the name of Xiaoqing Zheng stole and transferred GEs info on turbines to several Chinese state-owned companies through his own startups run by family members in China.
That air search antenna is mounted too low, creating a blind zone, and a saftey hazard to anybody out on those bridge wings or working outside of the EW suite.
I just love how the US Government/Military just gives away all of our most advanced equipment to countries who are on camera admitting that they don't like us and hate everything we stand for.
china was instrumental in the US winning the cold war. In 1980s the USSR was still the number 1 threat to the US so the US was more than happy to cut deals with china.
It was the 80's, back then China was basically an ally to USA, but just a few years later, things changed.... Don't look at some of the things China received from the west in the past, with 2023 glasses, but with the glasses from that year!
Parts and systems are not the entire device and rarely are they considered something critical. In fact it wouldn't be the first time designs for failure or more costly than necessary plans were sold
This isn't China's best ship. That would most probably be the Type 55 CG & the type 52D DDG, both of which have AESPA radar systems, vls, satcom etc. Then there are the new carriers too..
I forget who said it, but "There are only two types of vessels. Submarines and targets." All surface ships are WWII technology. Many countries these days have unstoppable anti-shipping missilesThat can be fired from huge distances.
Just wondering if the Chinese Navy assets are about 30 to 40 years back, what about their latest year 2021 and above. They must have make progress in technology and upgrading their fire power. I hope the West is not day dreaming and have the superiority attitude. 😊
I thought clicking in will be talking about 055 as you mentioned China’s best ship. Why would you talk about a refitted old ship without all of the latest bells and whistles that is available in other platforms like 054 and 055
On October 9, Tsinghua University China developed the WORLD'S FIRST fully system-integrated, SELF-LEARNING, memristor "storage-computing integrated" CHIP, since then, smart devices can be more miniaturized and have self-learning and adaptive capabilities under ultra-low power consumption. In the future this technology can be used to build a human-style brain. Intelligent weapons such as unmanned aircraft, unmanned submarines, and battlefield robots will use this chip.
@@WellSalt-Studio Literally only being published in Chinese state-owned rags. You would think such a breakthrough would generate significant talk among scientists around the world. Yet the world other than China remains completely silent. Oh wait, no one cares because the west has had these since 2019 lol.
Obviously no one is going to tell you what they find out about the opposition. Why let them know that you know, so they can start changing it? If you learn something, use it to come up with countermeasures, not give them a heads up that their secret is out in the world.
China military ships are built for defense purposes working in tandem with their land military assets and air force to take down any foreign ships, aircraft and submarines no matter how mighty they are within 2000 km from the Chinese shores. So making all the comparisons makes no sense.
What is the point of focusing so much on the details of the systems from 20-30 years ago? You can make yourself awfully comfortable lamenting about the equipment of your enemies from 30 years ago.
I really don't get some of these comments doubting the quality of Chinese vessels for little else than stereotypical reasons. I'll ask all of you to remember WW2, where hubris about the technological capabilities of the Japanese, at the time viewed as a backwards country, resulted in the bureau of ordnance doubting the Long Lance torpedo existed. This underestimation of adversary capabilities cost many sailors their lives, and repeating it because of ill-backed and anecdotal preconceptions about Chinese manufacturing seems like folly.
Having dealt with Chinese manufacturing the stereotype is because they provide poor quality products unless you both specify exactly what you want and pay for good quality, often this costs just as much as a quality American, Japanese, Korean, or German product so you will almost never see high quality Chinese goods outside of China. The US navy and Congress know that the PLAN pays for quality and plans accordingly. Ignorant UA-cam comments thankfully have no effect on military policy.
But China still tries to reengineer things while taking shortcuts. There is proof of that. Take Russia's tires when they first entered Ukraine. There would be 4-8 tires on the side of the road while not being hit with shrapnel or mines. Just flat... China couldn't even get tires right..
You're right. I don't understand why any American war machine producing companies are aloud to sell them anything.
@kieranroberts5947 Yes, Kieran, Japan got nuked, and almost a hundred thousand US servicemen died, double that were injured, and 200 warships were sunk. I feel we can both agree that's not the ideal here when taking your opponent seriously could avoid a good part of those. Being reductive helps nobody, and only results in more deaths and injuries when a war actually breaks out.
China doesn't seem to have the culture of precision compared to the US. Compare US SUBSAFE success to Chinese sub incidents (oxygen generation failure on a nuke sub?) and documented Soviet navy shortcomings that may have transferred over (type 001 carrier ain't great), it's not a stretch to say quality is questionable. The real honest answer is that nobody really knows how fragile or robust the PLA is (probably not even the Chinese due to corruption).
Type052 113 was launched EXACTLY 2 weeks short of 20 years ago on Oct. 18, 1993! I checked this video was from "2 weeks" ago, did you time-traveled from 20 years ago? WOW! Back to the Future! Since then China has built 4 batches of 052Ds of total 35 ships each equiped with 4 AESA radars and 64 vertical launch units.
this channel only review old chinese ships, not sure why.
theres more information on older vessels@@wangyaohan8824
93 is in fact…30 years ago
@@wangyaohan8824 take a guess! ha................
Your mention of the LM 2500 Gas Turbines reminded me of a debate we had one night in the wardroom in 1980. The debate was what was the irreducible minimum number of people it would take to STEAL (Strategically Transfer Equipment to an Alternate Location) a Spruance-class destroyer. The number we came up with was one. You start the gas turbines in Main Control, go up on deck and cut the mooring lines, then go to the bridge and drive from the bridge wing using the remote helm/lee helm trick wheel. I doubt you could do that with a PLAN ship. It wouldn't be pretty and I'm certain you would scratch the paint but you'd have yourself a great destroyer until you needed to fill it up.
"STEAL" LOL
You mean liberate?
China didn't have to steal anything at all. Why do that when a greedy politician will just give it to them?
My man said "you'd have youself a great destroyer" lmao
This would work on a Tico as well. The ine thing is anyone that knew how to get the turbines up would run aground getting out of port.
And anyone that can drive her would not get the mains going
I guess a week of training can overcome both of those..
It will be interesting to compare their latest destroyers rather than this older unit.
that's because he is still thinking China navy like this ;)
我们没有新的武器，鱼雷艇就是最强的船。
he only review old ships, probably to make them feel superior.
I thought chinas best ship by far is the type 055 large destroyer? Did you mean best ship at that time or do you think this design is superior to the type 055? Also do you plan to do a type 055 video next?
*Best Ship when launched would be more accurate :)
Late 90s early 2000s is an interesting period where they experimented with several different models just a few years apart or even simultaneous but only made 1-2 of each. Between 1994 and 2014 they built or bought 7 different destroyer models !
It is an interesting evolution to follow and they went from something resembling the Farragut class of the late 50s to a later model Burke competitor in those 20 years.
seems like alot of people hold the same steriotype about china as if it were still in the 90s today.
That's if their latest ships perform according to their paper specs.
@@namyun2743 You mean, "performing to the spec" like iphone, DJI, or Huawei?
@@helloterran building a surface combat platform that integrates across naval full spectrum warfare systems across generations to meet target peer threats is the same as interating smartphone generations ?
@@aaronrey2658 maybe you don't get it. Let me reiterate: China builds 80% of worlds' ships too, including the most complicated ships like LNG and cruise ships.
Think of USN as the pre-WWII IJN, and PLAN as the pre-WWII USN, you'll find the analogy very interesting.
Hm, I am curious why an old destroyer that was upgraded 12 years ago being called China's best ship😊
Me too...😁
Best that 3rd rate country can do.
Compared to the Tofu Dregs ships they make now, this one's a "classic"!
Hope for their sake the boats float better than their buildings stand.
Chicom is crap. Parts, tools, everything. Every mechanic, carpenter, plumber and tradesman already know this.
Seems guy want to appease the audience that are not ready to accept China's naval ship competition. China made type-052D and made those in numbers and than type-055 destroyers which are obviously one of the world's deadliest warships today.
@@usermk99 That's funny. How can a ship this out of date and built and operated by incompetents be "one of the world's deadliest warships?"
A++. Thanks for your great work, Aaron !!!!!
Informative as always, thank you!
H/PJ-33B is the official designation, per the multi-service equipment naming system which seems to have been released in 1987 and renewed in the 21st century. The letters are primarily from the respective Pinyin initials, for example, H=Hai Jun=Navy/Naval, P=Pao=(artillery)Gun, J=Jian Zai=Shipboard, and the last letter B refs to the sub models. There are exceptions, such as the letter A after the / actually represents missile (Dao dan), and the official doc is not publicly available so it's kind of guesswork but if you understand Chinese, you can have a pretty close guess.
Always enjoy your informative shows. Would you consider making a short video about China's new Type-55 destroyer?
he is going to do a series of all of the chinese destroyers
The two diesels you mention at 2:45 are V12s, as in 12 cylinders in a V shape, 6 on each side. If it were 12 valve that'd be hard cause that's one valve per cylinder lol.
It *is* MTU 12V but that's just the format for the model, 12 cylinders, V format. 6I would be 6 Inline, 24X would be in an X formation, etc.
Wonder if they copy the noisey oil pumps from the Germans😊
@@bobflatman278🤫
I thought he was talking about a 12v like a dodge truck has. Lol
Very Good. expecting some introduction of their latest version 052D and 055, rumor says it they are building 057 as well
054B.
054/A/B are frigates @@ricosu192
@@ricosu192 054 is a frigate
052 is smaller 055, 054 is anti submarine.
I understand the algorithim blah blah blah, but nonetheless it is dissapointing to see these vidoes headlined by "clickbait". I come here for serious news about serious topics, and headlines aside it is one of the best places for US centric naval news IMO.
Unfortunately, the chief designer of the Luhu class passed away last week.
china losses arent tragic
@@nomercyinc6783 imagine, cope, your loss is 100 times less tragic.
The chief Xerox passed?
Seeing both China and the US flags on the same war ship was indeed nice.. (as shown in this video). I missed the old days.
You can get underway in 10 minutes, but I would call that an emergency procedure. You need about an hour to safely bring the entire engineering plant online.
Well, if you need to scramble a docked warship from port to intercept an incoming threat instead of redirecting nearby naval or air assets, chances are you are in a legit emergency.
@@liyang6059 But the risk is damage to the propeller shaft and reduction gears. So to save a $10M target you're bringing down a $1B warship. I doubt the Chinese warships cost that much, but ours do.
I was gonna say there’s a lot more than Judy’s tarting a turbine to get a ship out to sea. But, he used to be on nuclear subs so believe me he’s well aware😂
I was in a Tico in the late 80s early 90s. We could get underway in that time back then.
Most non boiler ships can.
In 2014 the Chinese participated in RIMPAC went and toured their ships, fresh paint on rust
You found a ship that was built at least 30 years ago and said it was the best destroyer in China, then criticized it. What a typical American style propaganda.
Thailand had warships built in Shanghai China, where the US MK 41 system was installed. By the Chinese shipyard.
what the hell
@@m_c_8656you couldn't make this up. US companies will sell to anyone and the government lets them do it...
@m_c_8656 HTMS Taksin (FFG-422) had US and European syatems fitting in Shanghai.
Supposedl y the new Thai amphip supposed to have western electronics installed in Thailand, but I no longer trust Thailand. Of course China right there in theif face, US far away and fading under Progressivism.
It’s the interconnected world of business
can you immagine the conversation between the shipbuilder and the thai government.
Thai gov: "okay so we need mk41 cells installed here are the schematics to build them"
Chinese shipbuilder: "oh no need we already have those"
Look, maybe the HQ-7 is a questionable design or whatever - but, damn it, it's cool as hell!!!
It is very interesting to learnt so much form this video, especially those small stories like how the 1989 June 4th incident affects the ship, the use of US and Germany engines and France sonars and etc. Wish to see more videos on other type 052's or even the 055 to come, with the same level of details and little interesting side stories.
И изучаем какое отличие танков Германии и США 😂
SB
At 10:54 it looks just like the Mk32 torpedo tubes we used for a combination of Mk46 and Mk44 torpedoes in the RAN decades ago. A single 44 on each side and a pair of 46s. It also took us 8 hours to get the steam turbines up from cold, but I was told it was “only” 6 hours in an emergency. We also had 2 massive diesel generators purely for electricity when the turbines were not running and we didn’t have shore power. They were loud. I had to walk between them to get to the paint shop just below the FX…
The basic LM2500 has a single shaft gas generator derived from the CF6 which is derived from the TF39.
Eurasia Naval Insight provides far better cover of the PLANs assets. They also mention the unfortunate fact for the West, that China can out-produce the West (NATO / AUKUS) by a vast margin. Because of the sanctions pressure, China now produces everything it needs, with effectively zero reliance on overseas components for all military assets.
exactly..... apart from raw materials, china can make all their own parts from scratch..... shows the maturity of their supply chain...
As Stalin is often attributed: "Quantity has a quality all its own" Even if their navy isn't up to western standards, the ability to outproduce its western opponents in Asia should not be underestimated.
This exactly why the Allies won WW2, America's manufacturing ability. The issue is now reversed. Germany in WW2 had the quality in armaments. But they could not produce the quality in quantity and subsequently lost the war. We should not underestimate China, they have stolen so much western technology and reversed engineered it , they may miss some stuff , but at the end of the day they will have the quantity. Never under estimate your adversary.
@@frankquinn1296 They haven't stolen anything. Rather, your Corporatist culture GAVE them all that technology, because you identified their skilled yet very cheap workforce as an asset you could exploit. The Chinese Government were very happy for you to do this, since they plan far further ahead than the next quarterly balance sheet. Maybe you need reminding of Mike Pompeo (CIA Chief) and his infamous but true comment regarding the USA - "We Cheat, We Lie, We Steal".
@@namyun2743 Their land and ship-borne missile assets are far in excess of Western capability. They have used their time, manufacturing resources and capability to specifically target Western naval assets, hence the DF21 (of which they have many). A comparatively cheap and at the moment completely unstoppable ship-destroyer.
wtf would the US sell china modern engines? I thought they were a competitor?
As mentioned in the Brief - That was back in the 90s
when the CCP at least pretended to want to get along with other Countries.
China was an ally in the 90s. US politicians can sell you any narrative they want. Japan was an enemy, Russia were an ally some 70 years ago. Then China was an ally till 90s, Even Iran was an ally by some point. Guess what politicians and generals make money and change policies all the time. Perhaps 20 years later China may become an ally again so chill out.
Because we know roughly what they are capable of and how they operate. Also they are old tech. It's not like we sold them anything top secret or they can't find someplace else.
@@Spectre-wd9dl china now is a lot different.
China buys one then copies it all including weak points snd then takes short cuts in manufacturing. Just look at the fujian... failure
The US is aware of Chinese capabilities but more worrisome is the NUMBER of ships produced by the amazing productivity.
China subscribes to the notion which advocates the numerical superiority is by itself a strength.The same strategy the US used during the WW2 against Japan.
Догодались что у китая больше кораблей, так их 1,5миллиарда населения 😂 а у вас 320 миллионов населения
but, money is money
Aaron, try to be less clickbait-y. This headliner makes you feel like a tabloid.
I love how you state the specs on the screen clearly,
thumps up
Love your videos. Someday I’d really enjoy a collaboration between you and Sacred Cow Shipyards.
Why the hell was GE ALLOWED to even CONSULT with the Chicoms about engines?!?!
Money 💵
China and the US were cooperating to counter the USSR.
Just like the US and India are cooperating at the moment to counter China.
@@MuhammadAli-255 cccp
Why talked about that.. how abt 055.. or 054B
I get wanting to doubt the capabilities of the enemies, but we cant afford to underestimate them so its essential to develop counters based on the claimed capability of the enemy
ooooh thoses stabiliser fines.. hum hum hum submariners love those
I was looking at those stats like, 55000hp = health points…
I was like, wtf? Hp? :S
Took a few minutes to click, it’s HORSIES! 😂 think I need to sleep >.
I really like your channel sir!!
Luhu class and the modern Type 052(D/E/DL) are not the same. The only thing that is similar between the two is it's hull
If this was the best Chinese ship, where would you place 052D and the bigger and more advanced 055? not to mention that the rumored 055A is going to be a big step up from the current 055
Clam thyself warrior. This is just the beginning of a series.
@@SubBrief okay it wasn't apparent that this was going to be a series. looking forward to it
I was worried, that it was the French Crotale missile system. It has an octuple (2x 4) setup option, too. And a similar maximum engagement range.
It's a licensed build Crotale.
The most frightening this about this situation is the disparity of industrial capacity we have compared to China. Modern wars are about manufacturing, steel production, and ship building and China outclasses us by far in all three categories.
Wealth is the ability to produce product. Our government and business leaders traded our wealth for money. Doing business in China should be illegal and politicians should face audits, asset seizures and gallows.
@@Les537 thank nixon for opening that one up, though once addicted to cheap consumer goods no US administration has wanted to cut reliance. this is only just now beginning to be politically viable for both parties.
I agree with your assessment, and I have to believe that our military is keenly aware of China's strength in the areas you mention, as well as 'rare earth' materials mining and production, and sheer manpower. Another strength is proximity to where any conflict with China would occur. For example, Taiwan is ~100 miles from China's mainland, while our San Diego naval base is 7000 miles away. Even an outpost like Guam is 1900 miles away. Then, there the shallowness of the waters in the Taiwan straight. While it has a deep channel, it's narrow and confined. Most of it only a few hundred feet, and a substantial portion of that is half that. Not good for subs.
So, if you were a military strategist, your challenge is to 'play to your strengths', and figure a way to minimize the handicaps.
@@Les537 It is simplistic to just point fingers at business. I've never run a business, but it's clear they just cater to consumer tastes. It dates me, but I remember back in the 1960s, 'made in America' really meant something. In the '70's Japanese cars, motorcycles, cameras and consumer electronics grew enough to begin dominating those industries. By the mid '80s, companies like Chrysler were demanding congressional action. In a hearing, Chrysler's chief executive (Lee Iococca?) complained about 'dumping'. He was countered by an executive from Toyota who painted out his compensation was perhaps a tenth that of the Chrysler executive despite Chrysler's struggles, and that while Chrysler's bonus structure is based on short term quarterly performance, Toyota's was based on 5 year plans. OUCH! That didn't go well. Some trade barriers were enacted. But it was clear we also needed to look inward and recognize our own weaknesses.
@@gregparrott another mistake was equating Chinese production with other Asian countries that were in America's economic empire. Japan is effectively an American imperial possession. just like Britain used to trade freely within its own empire so america should have stuck to that. by trading with imperial rivals at such a high rate and allowing capital to migrate to your imperial competitor is a massive mistake. on the flip side, protectionism leads to wars. don't know the right answer but what I do know, the thing that led the USA to victory in WW2, manufacturing capacity, has been lost just look at the wests inability to sufficiently manufacture shells for Ukraine. all our planning for WW3 hasn't accounted for the fact we might actually have to fight a long conventional war. just like chemical and biological weapons were too awful and self defeating to be used on the battlefield in WW2, I suspect nuclear weapons will be the same in WW3. war is about achieving your political objectives and nuclear weapons are useless in that respect.
Two things worth remembering:
- America learns _every_ military lesson the hard way
- Both World Wars were initially catastrophic disasters for US forces
There will *not be time* for you to recover after the next "Pearl Harbour" event - the US had better clean house and return to diplomacy _sharpish,_ for all of our sakes
The only "diplomacy" that would prevent war with China is completely rolling over for them, which would be disastrous for both our future and freedom in the world. The CCP isn't going to do anything other than what they think is in their best interest, no matter how nicely we treat them. Right now they're sure that's controlling Taiwan, the resources and sea lanes of the South China Sea, and all the tech users throughout the world, so that's what they're going to attempt to do. What could we offer them that would outweigh that attraction other than humiliating destruction?
@@StatueofGuyThinking It doesn't matter if you're 2 oceans away 1) t's not 1940 anymore and 2) nobody is invading
The information sphere is everywhere; and boogaloo is one twisted news story away.. you're obviously a sensible, right thinking American but many tens, perhaps even hundreds of millions of Americans *are not*
Stay strong, cousin - we need ya ❤🍻
Type 55: Hey, why it's not me?!
Can't wait till you get to the Top 52 c That's one of my favorite ones
The Type 52c is cool asf
@@jacobsmith1105 What most people don't actually understand is they 2 schools Of warfare inside China One is people's warfare They like warships between for frigates around four thousand tons and Destroyers around seven thousand tons. warfare high technology They like the frigates to be around about 6000 tons and the destroyers to be around about 10,000 tons. They try to look like the US Navy so the Chinese Navy will be really interesting
All the comments discrediting Chinese quality. Makes me wonder how many people here have iPhones. Can't be that bad if people stand in lines for hours.
They assemble iPhone in advanced factories and build warship in 100yrs old shipyards.
@@nicholaswhite9760 You don't think they may have advanced equipment building ships in 100year old shipyards?
@@nicholaswhite9760 let's me point out China have best press machines in the world
At the 5:40 mark the ship is in San Diego Harbor passing in front of the HQ buildings on NAS North Island. In 1986 I was on one of the three US navy ships that visited Qingdao China (city had different spelling back then). Purpose of trip was to sell US tech. The Chinese bought some and copied a lot and I can see some of the influences of our visit in this ship. What we saw of their ships back then was a bunch of rust buckets. Some interesting notes on China back then, the city ran on coal and they where still building new coal fired steam locomotives!
Are you still live in 1986? Ignorance is the scariest thing!
@@MrJustice-i From reading his post I don't think he is living in 1986. What he is saying is that the Chinese naval ships BACK THEN in the 1980s were rusted and obsolete, and just to develop this Luhu class destroyer in the 1990s, they had to import and reverse engineer a lot of western tech. Same went for the rest of the country since they were still building steam locomotives. But that was 1986, and now it is obviously completely different. Steam locomotives have turned into the fastest high speed trains in the world, and reverse engineered early Chinese destroyers have now turned into indigenous designed 11,000 ton Type 055 cruisers and 80,000 ton EMALS equipped CATOBAR carriers.
@@MrJustice-i Feel sorry for your poor reading comprehension.
@@MrJustice-i I am Chinese living in Hong Kong. I don't quite like your post here. Although I find the title "What NO ONE Will Tell You About China's Best Ship" is not quite correct (the old 052 is the China's best ship?"). I don't find any showing of "Ignorance" from Johnknapp952's comment here. If you are not happy with the comment on "bunch of rust buckets", or "city ran on coal" or "still building new coal fired steam locomotives", please state your reasons here. If those are facts back in 1986, or if they were improved long ago (since then), you can update us here.
Can you do a video on what are those flags mean 4:56 .
What's a Jack , ensign and other signal flags ?
Please; could you include metric figures too? It sucks to always pause the video and pick a calculator in order to transform that unintelligable gibberish that is the imperial system into something understandable.
Three days ago? I'm just wondering if this was posted thirteen years ago...
One question that I have is, do you think the Chinese have built new classes of ships to expand on or carry forward the capabilities of the type 52 in their modern fleet?
They already have with the type 55
@@tommallory4841 ah got it, thanks! Does the type 55 also provide the same C&C capabilities that the 52 does? Does it slot into a different role? Thanks!
Small quick update: type055 wights 11,000 tons, 112 VLS（4 in 1 capable），AESA in both X and S band, Double helo bay. Loads with YJ-21 10 mach Hyper sonic ASM. It's completely different next Gen of type 052. Mean while, 052b/c/d got big different from original 052 as well... @@RahulDevanarayanan
@@RahulDevanarayanan Simple but inaccurate comparison: 052D/DL is Arleigh Burke Flight III, 055/055A is a morden version of Ticonderoga
new 052 have 64 vertical launcher, 055 have 112 vertical laucher, 054 for anti submarine. not sure why this channel review old chinese ships only.
That 730 ciws is outwardly a Goalkeeper knockoff, it appears.
Thanks for the video and intel. But something doesn't add up. At 15:15 the lower launcher has 24 tubes, not 16. I assume it's a "representative" picture and not the actual launcher on the ship?
The lower one is the ASW rocket launcher, 16xYJ-83 ASM are fired form the launcher as seen on the top picture.
@@osean_ace4618 Gotcha, thanks!
OK, so this model ship has 1995 "Best in Class" gas/diesel propulsion the US had at that time and the Chinese couldn't duplicate it..
So, how relevant is that ship today?
You say the 2 ships underwent a modernization refit in 2011 and now has Chinese state of art for that year but the propulsion system is still likely the same.
I guess the question is how does that propulsion system rate today? Is it likely still highly reliable? How does that propulsion system rate against others China has developed since and how would it rate against current US engines? Or, is the right way to evaluate the propulson system simply whether it can reliably support likely mission assignments?
I assume that any US technology can be assumed capable of Blue Water missions and the US technology on these shps should be no different.
BTW -
I can't believe all the comments to this video questioning the sale of American technology to China. The sale negotiated pre 1995 when the US was on decent terms with China for at least a couple of decades or so and long before Xi showed up in 2013 putting China on a different path to fill his personal ambitions of becoming a world power bent on destroying the USN in some future battle. It's as though the people who comment have no sense of history and global politics.
Акустики всё услышат😂
Already building in China yard is the upgraded version of types55 a 10,000 ton destroyer the best in the world. They are now building the next generation up upgraded Type55 to 15,000 ton. They will be able to carry twice the amount of missiles to 250, it will be the most advance destroyed even build in history. Railgun and laser weaponry will be it standard weaponry.
Friendly Suggestion:
Audiences won't know where your eyes were looking at and talking about in a picture. Paint an arrow where you are looking at or talking about bring more clarity and ease.
The type 55 destroyer is the best ...it has electronic suite better then US equivalent...
This guy must lost lots of sleep during his adult life at night knowing the Chinese invented Gunpowder, the Compass and paper. 😂 imagine writing or drawing on a piece of leather
GM when they sell China the LM2500😁
GM when China Immediately reverse engineers the LM2500 and stops buying them from GM 😕
not really, actually China got the turbine engine technology from Ukraine.
@@johnalwang Oh yeah my bad. I misremembered and had to look it up. What they actually took was GEs ground and aviation based turbines. From 2008 until the summer of 2018 A GE Employee by the name of Xiaoqing Zheng stole and transferred GEs info on turbines to several Chinese state-owned companies through his own startups run by family members in China.
@@johnalwangit actually started in the mid 90’s, so its not a “stolen” technology.
of course not. actually the whole team was bought out and moved to china with blueprints @@12345anton6789
Olympus TM3B: LM2500 sucks
He said “erect and extended” for missile launcher……..nice. 😂😂😂😂
I heard that battleships from Ww11 plus other ships have been rebuilt over the past years..if true..why??
are you from the future?
Because they are Good!!!!
US Navy upcoming DDGx .. Is a blatant copy of China's Type 055 that has been in service since 2020.😂
That air search antenna is mounted too low, creating a blind zone, and a saftey hazard to anybody out on those bridge wings or working outside of the EW suite.
There's no export ban for engines that's gonna be used for weapons?
John Walker probably helped them a bit too
I just love how the US Government/Military just gives away all of our most advanced equipment to countries who are on camera admitting that they don't like us and hate everything we stand for.
china was instrumental in the US winning the cold war. In 1980s the USSR was still the number 1 threat to the US so the US was more than happy to cut deals with china.
Meh,
Ask Hillary Clinton
It was the 80's, back then China was basically an ally to USA, but just a few years later, things changed.... Don't look at some of the things China received from the west in the past, with 2023 glasses, but with the glasses from that year!
Parts and systems are not the entire device and rarely are they considered something critical. In fact it wouldn't be the first time designs for failure or more costly than necessary plans were sold
This isn't China's best ship. That would most probably be the Type 55 CG & the type 52D DDG, both of which have AESPA radar systems, vls, satcom etc. Then there are the new carriers too..
looks like total war with China is unavoidable, please also do a review of USA's best ship - the Kidd-class destroyer
Oh Lord, I'm number 666 in likes! LOL
Great video. I definitely would be worried about that bugger.
Not been tested in combat until then we will see if they go for Taiwan, How good it is at being above the water.
Im sorry, did you say yoo-hoo!
Oh wait, you said Cindy Lou Who, didint you?
Looks like it will make a fine submarine 1time
I forget who said it, but "There are only two types of vessels. Submarines and targets."
All surface ships are WWII technology. Many countries these days have unstoppable anti-shipping missilesThat can be fired from huge distances.
I'd enjoy an analytical breakdown of a US Destroyer ... etc ... if you can (without it causing problems for you). Thanks for this.
Just wondering if the Chinese Navy assets are about 30 to 40 years back, what about their latest year 2021 and above. They must have make progress in technology and upgrading their fire power. I hope the West is not day dreaming and have the superiority attitude. 😊
This is 2023. You should update your page here.
Of what?
Did a mainland chinese sub sink with crew onboard?
@@MwRYum they supposedly sunk thier own sub
I thought clicking in will be talking about 055 as you mentioned China’s best ship. Why would you talk about a refitted old ship without all of the latest bells and whistles that is available in other platforms like 054 and 055
9:13 H/PJ33B: Highly Probable Junk, cost 33 Billion.
It’s not the size of the ship, it’s the motion of the ocean.
Looks like a pretty capable ship, similar to a Spruance on steroids by the looks of it.
where is the 052, 055, and 057?
If it looks good more than likely it is...their ships look good
I'm not concerned. I've sunken so many of these in Cold Waters with Epic Mod. They are easy targets
На учениях или в бою😂
Show the weapon system you are talking about
I mean near the start
The format is general description followed by detailed description of each system.
"Good for them!" 😂😂😂😂
don't even sell a chopstick to a chinese if you know they are going to use it against you!
On October 9, Tsinghua University China developed the WORLD'S FIRST fully system-integrated, SELF-LEARNING, memristor "storage-computing integrated" CHIP, since then, smart devices can be more miniaturized and have self-learning and adaptive capabilities under ultra-low power consumption. In the future this technology can be used to build a human-style brain. Intelligent weapons such as unmanned aircraft, unmanned submarines, and battlefield robots will use this chip.
@@WellSalt-Studio Literally only being published in Chinese state-owned rags. You would think such a breakthrough would generate significant talk among scientists around the world. Yet the world other than China remains completely silent.
Oh wait, no one cares because the west has had these since 2019 lol.
@@WellSalt-Studio october 9, 2999?
Olympus TM3B: why not
telling us about China's old ship, why don't tell us about 052D or 055
Click bait much? The image is an old destroyer that may have been removed from active service already.
The new ciws remind me of goalkeeper
Oh sweet. Help our enemies
Obviously no one is going to tell you what they find out about the opposition. Why let them know that you know, so they can start changing it? If you learn something, use it to come up with countermeasures, not give them a heads up that their secret is out in the world.
One adcap and it'll become a permanent submarine.
5:56 NAS North island. I think
How nice of us to help our #1 enemy.
You have the wrong title and thumbnail on this video
Looking at the photo 06:00 min.
I immediately thought Italian/Italy.
If this is their best. . Thanks for sharing with us. God Bless 🙏
Yes it totally is! This guy knows what he's talking about 👍
狗头保命🐶
China military ships are built for defense purposes working in tandem with their land military assets and air force to take down any foreign ships, aircraft and submarines no matter how mighty they are within 2000 km from the Chinese shores. So making all the comparisons makes no sense.
disappointed by clickbait title :(
What is the point of focusing so much on the details of the systems from 20-30 years ago? You can make yourself awfully comfortable lamenting about the equipment of your enemies from 30 years ago.