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Apple Pippin - Fifth VideoGame Generation Recap - Adam Koralik
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- Опубліковано 25 гру 2015
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This is a discussion topic video about the fifth generation of videogame consoles. This will be part "six point five" of my seven part mini-series. Here we will discuss the Apple (Bandai) Pippin, the eighth entry in to the fifth generation of game consoles.
THE CONTROLLER LOOKS LIKE THE ORIGINAL PS3 PROTOTYPE CONTROLLER REMEMBER?
+herohunter81 That's what I was thinking too lol
"the prototype of the ps3 looks like the apple pippin controller"
not thebother way around
+herohunter81 There was actually a PS1 controller shaped like that.
+Son of Tiamat (formerly known as tiakpark) I have one of those
GlaciatorGaming Is it good?
I remember seeing one of these on display at the Boston MacWorld convention. It had an external keyboard attached, and the keyboard had a key marked "retrun".
The CPU was comparable to a PS1 but without a dedicated 3D engine, this thing was dead on arrival.
I remember reading about Jobs' return to Apple in 1997. He was probably one of the only CEO's who could actually get an entire company to willingly resign. He went through the Apple product line like a razor. Roughly 70% of the company's product line was done away with completely. It was hilarious when the other company executives tried to explain the Mac lineup to him. He couldn't understand the differences between all the different machines. He finally got fed up and went to a whiteboard and drew four squares, specifying that the company would focus on four products which were desktops and laptops, each with a consumer model and a pro model. Within a few minutes, he figured out something that took the company and several CEO's years to figure out.
Fun little mini fact Jobs and another persin made Breakout well the guy programmed it while Jobs did the art for it and they did it within a very short time frame
The Real "unicorn" of game consoles would be the black, european version, though. Not the american. The black version from europe was never sold to the public and only shipped a few hundred before steve jobs killed it. There is an apple museum in europe now and even they dont own the black version (yet), because its so crazy rare and expensive.
Goddd, that thing was really released?!?! I remember hearing or reading about this thing coming out, but I didn't know it actually came out. Nice job on getting one. Awesome
How did you stand the controller up are you a wizard?
Its a foam like material for tradeshows; it just sticks in between the grooves
@@jmike2039 That's super cool actually, thanks.
That short intro you have is so relaxing
+Edmundo studios Usually it's considered annoying, much appreciated!
+N. Pike Did you end up finding any you liked?
+N. Pike I just talk off the cuff largely.
+N. Pike Have fun doing fish stuff!
+AdamKoralik
You said something about changing the Keep Dreaming part of the intro a year ago.
What ever happened to doing that?
Theres another really cool Pippin game out there called Super Marathon. It was developed by Bungie and is considered the precursor to Halo. Only console it was released on was the Pippin. (For... some reason?)
Look up "Aleph One." You can absolutely play this game today.
Marathon was a game series developed for and released on the Macintosh, and Aleph One is an open source port of the Marathon engine that can run all three games.
Basically, Super Marathon was just the first two Macintosh games, not even a port, because the Pippin was just a Macintosh.
Growing up I knew a kid that had one of these, but he never let me play it, as though he was embarrassed by it or something. Watching this...yeah, maybe he had a good reason.
I love learning the history behind these strange consoles. As always thanks for the great and entertaining content.
+techninefan90 Thanks for watching!
+AdamKoralik Will you still be doing a live stream on youtube in a couple weeks or so?
+techninefan90 Hoping to.
+AdamKoralik That would be awesome :D
"What defines a console of being good" I think is an awesome subject!
It would be very interesting to see you show the great aspects of different consoles.
Hopefully it'll highlight the beauty and greatness of all types of consoles regardless of their success or failures.
Steve Jobs was an Atari employee before he and Woz started apple, he's the reason Woz created Breakout for Atari. Jobs was fired from Apple in 85 or 86, he went on to found NeXT(weird capitalization was popular back then).
Hey Adam! I love your console generation recaps! I have learned a lot from you. I have read a lot of video game history but you really bring the history to life and talk about things I have not read/heard anywhere else. Keep up the good work!
Steve Jobs was only ever a spokesman for the Apple machine, Steve Woznack was the true creator of the Apple Machine.
*****
Supposedly Steve sunk so much money into his Macintosh project so he could get a higher role of importance in the company.
A salesman is just important as the creator. There’s no point in building something if no one will buy it
@@MalarkeyMan he is what saved apple after all.
I'm really glad you made a video for this, out of all the weird rare consoles I think this one interests me the most because I grew up in a Mac household until about 2005. I had (and still have) the "pizzabox" style PowerMac 6100 that came out in 91 or 92 I think. It's really interesting they went with a desktop style point and click interface, and that it does seem like the system has a significant amount of "weight" to it, whether that's in its gameplay benefit that certainly isn't obvious. If you can find the ROM for Marathon, which I saw a couple other people mention, definitely burn that and try it out. I played the Mac version of Marathon and it is quite fun, it's most comparable to Doom, and even if the controls suck it's still probably one of the better games for the system, as I know it was good on the Mac. Apple went out of the way to port it to the Pippin, as it was known as one of the desirable exclusives on Macintosh for the time. Thanks again for the video!
That music CD menu looks like a less-cool version of the Sega Saturn music CD menu.
I think it's funny how much Steve Jobs avoided games later in his career when he and Steve Wozniak programmed such an iconic game as Atari's Breakout. Great video Adam.
+Alhedgehog Thanks!
Love these generation recaps, always interesting videos Adam. Good Stuff!
Thanks!
They should have ported slam city with Scotty "pippen" to the Apple Pippin..🤣🤣
Thank you, Adam, for all these videogame generation recaps.
A video on the subject of what makes a console a console is sure to be an awesome discussion. It's similar to the argument for the IAU's planet definition. I'd love to see it. Great video as always, Adam.
+VGnerd Thanks for watching!
I met Jason Frank at Comic Con a few years ago. It was real honor. You can tell he loves doing that kind of stuff.
Hey Adam, love your videos! I learn a lot about consoles, and see consoles I've never even heard of! Keep up the good work, Adam.
Thanks!
Woo! Thanks for adding this one Adam. I love your console recap videos! :)
+PMSJordan Thanks for watching!
AdamKoralik I'm star stuck! You've never replied to me before. :D
+PMSJordan
"Steve Jobs never had any interest in video games"... The same Steve Jobs that worked for Atari?..
Yep, if you delve more into that, he really worked there pretty much against his will.
Jared Connell When Steve jobs worked at atari, He was already friends with the Woz. Woz, despite not being an employee, Help jobs create Breakout.
Maybe Breakout was Steve Job's trying to tell other people how he felt while working there. Like he wanted to Breakout.
Yep in Wozniak's book, he mentions Steve taking the job making breakout, only for a paycheck, then he proceeded to rip off woz on the payout.
I don’t think Adam has pants on when recording these videos
Adam, you totally need to try and play Marathon on it. As you might already know Marathon is kind of like a proto Halo. Bungie made that before they made the Halo games, and it is actually a really good game. Interested to hear how well the controller is for a FPS game lol.
BFKAnthony817 im almost 100% I had that game on my family computer when I was in elementary school in the later 90s
Adam, just thought you should know this game is on PC as well, I had it as a kid. I'm glad you showed footage since I've been trying to figure out which one it was for a long time. I'm willing to bet the PC version has better controls than the pippin port.
The NA version was also released by Bandai with the moniker "Pippin @World". Katz Media released the European version as the "Katz Media Player". No models were manufactured nor termed the 'Apple Pippin' as a console. Let me know if you need any additional information (www.videogameconsolelibrary.com/pg90-pippin.htm). Thanks for the effort in touching upon this rare bird.
Hey man, good job on the video, I watched your older videos, and they're really interesting. Good luck for 2016, and you just earned a new subscriber!
definitely interested in the topic you proposed. I've been keeping up the console based videos for a while now. thanks for the good videos and please keep this channel going
Apple Pippin: Mythological
Sega Dreamcast: Legendary
Dreamcast has nothin to even do with this
I appreciate obscure consoles, but the Dreamcast wipes it's cheeks with this thing.
Nice vid. Interesting how it's all come full circle for Apple and gaming. They made iOS and now they are one of the most dominant videogame platform holders out there...
This is why I watch your videos: they're just awesome.
+Snake Plissken Thanks!
Finding all kinds of new things to get. Thanks for the videos. Love the history of tech.
Awesome video! Love the retrospective series a lot! Also, I got my Dreamcast to work again. Recalibrated the laser a bit and works like a charm! Thanks for your help!
+ECGxDrifter Happy to help!
hey Adam I think too much about setting up my own UA-cam channel but what is fun is sharing all the weekly video game shows on Facebook. love your kick ass show and will try to remember to share your show every episode. burn more games for pipin or just for viewers to send them to you I suppose.
I missed this. I have been super interested in it for a while so Im glad you made this video
+GoldenTriforce Thanks for watching!
definitely interested in the topic you proposed. watched a Fair amount of your content and have come to enjoy the stuff that's posted. I favor the console based videos though haven't had a bad reaction for time I've been watching. thanks for the good videos and please keep this channel going
I really love this series, and this video too! Would you be willing to do a series on handheld consoles?
definitely interested in the topic you proposed. thanks for the good videos and please keep this channel going
+DB N Thanks for watching!
Katz Media also made a Pippin model named the kmp-2000 which is extremely rare
21:06 i love how they try to put a question mark on the gold ranger but we can clear as day see who it is what’s back there a giraffe
the system was similar to Saturn and PlayStation but was held back by the Apple OS. It Basically runs a modified version of Mac OS. It did have a first person shooter called Marathon developed by Bungie. Now isn't that a mind fuck? A first person shooter developed for an Apple console before Halo. Fuck me that's weird
***** Halo was originally an RTS and was planned for Apple OS and Windows but it became an FPS later in it's development and Microsoft needed software for the Xbox and basically made Bungie make it an exclusive for Xbox
+Eshaq Jamdar halo that we know today was originally being developed exclusively for Mac before Microsoft bought Bungie before halo was finished. then Microsoft made it a xbox title then PC and eventually came back to Mac.
+Eshaq Jamdar Yep, it began as a Mac exclusive RTS, then switched to being a third person shooter. Then became a first person shooter around or sometime before Microsoft bought Bungie and development switched to the original Xbox.
madmax2069 Actually it was 5 minutes after The showing of Halo at MacWorld that Microsoft bought Bungie which really wasnt surprising cause The Marathon Trilogy was very popular on Windows and MAC
Animated Freak You mean Super marathon(Marathon 1 & 2
+ Adam Koralik Thank you again for another great video , I hope you and Mrs Claus had a great Christmas !!!
+nuketowncity Thanks!
i mentioned this console on my stream and my friend was shocked apple even made a system had to send him this video 💯🔥 !
I think that they chose to make that shoulder button the confirmation button in order to make it more similar to a computer mouse where you use your right index finger to click. Also, is the controller port the same as the Saturn?
Great video! I would get a Japanese Pippin on eBay, if I could find some games, like Super Marathon, for it.
The Pippin has been on my list for a long time. I see it quite often on eBay for around $500, but could never bring myself to pay that much for it. That's the same reason I can't get the APF Imagination Machine...I need a cheaper hobby.
Another amazing video but where is the video of the unboxing of the Apple pipin?
+bestintheworld8803 ua-cam.com/video/FCgI_4qmBLI/v-deo.html
+AdamKoralik thanks
Very cool! I always enjoy seeing those ultra rare consoles. Thanks for sharing footage.
One request though if I may. Only because I've seen you do this in several videos but instead of saying something is "expensive", could you give us the cost? Or, if you don't want to reveal how much you paid for something, a rough cost?
I like the look of the controller, bit different
+whiteshadow59 Reminds me of the old PS3 boomerang controller that never came to be, maybe for the best lol.
I'm Australian, I like boomerangs :P
Oh snap lol, maybe it would have been awesome, we'll never know
there was a 3rd party boomerang controller for the PS1, maybe the reason SONY didn't make an official one was due to the the 3rd party one possibly due to a patent issue.
Hmm that's interesting, could very well be! It would have been nice since the PS3 controller was starting to feel small but it's fixed on the PS4 lol. The older I got the smaller they seem.
i heard from a good source that a pallet of pippins were in a warehouse for fifteen years in the customs facility in portsmouth uk, they went back to apple in the states to be liquidated, so there are some pal units over there somewhere.
I have a love hate relationship with my pippin. I love owning one but i really hate it.
Adam, I loved your Console Retrospective. Is there any chance of you doing a series were you select one game from each console from each generation and give the story behind them? Mario and Sonic alone would give you enough scope. Goldeneye, Megaman etc.
Thanks Adam, the Pippin always intrigued me, but since I'm living on the wrong side of the Atlantic I'll probably never see one in person.Would have loved to be a fly on the wall though when Steve Jobs first found out about this ting after returning to Apple in '97...he probably ripped the team responsible for the Pippin a new one :-)
If the right trigger is A it sort of makes sense, it's mapped to your index finger like the (left) mouse button on most computers, plus it has a dedicated finger for "confirm", rather than having to share the thumb.
Just saw that we can now downlaod the Pippin roms with the bootloader, We may now get Pippin eumaltion and homebrews. But just like Dreamcast homebrews I don't it going very far; the resaon is of coruse it's hard to test your demos on real hardware without CD-R disks.
It's practically a small form factor Mac with an edited version of Mac OS 7 (or correctly said System 7, they didn't call it Mac OS until 8). It was also meant as a budget small computer for simple software and thin client use (shortly said, a thin client connects to a server, which has an operating system on it which you control with the thin client, so you don't need much hardware, the server does it), but it could do games as well. It's comparable to Power Macintoshes of that time. Also, it's much like the Philips CD-i as in not being games first, but software first, games as an additional feature.
Hey Adam. I haven't commented in a while, but this intrigued me. I'm from Europe (Scotland in fact), and I've NEVER heard of this system. I was probably in my mid to late teens at this age, and owned a PlayStation and N64, but this one totally went over my head. Thanks for covering this curiosity. I'm going to have to read up on this thing now!
Woah. I can't believe you got your hands on this! I was a previous Apple fan. But I've since made the switch to Samsung and Microsoft ..
@AdamKoralik Yep. It's funny you mentioned that because I happened to be looking up the Bandai-Namco brand, which at a time of course both corporations used to be separate. Point and case I happened to find out that at wikipedia they play large role to this computer/console at least overseas anyway.
I actually played a Gundam game once at a local game store I worked at in 99/00. It was a strategy/space shooter game. Super weird, probably should have bought it and the system looking back lol
Interesting, it seems this console outputs 640 on 480 over vga but puts an abundance of underscan to bring it down to 240p-ish in the game. At least it seems so from the video, does it output fullscreen over S-Video than?
Wikipedia states it has a 640x480 output but the real, in game resolution may be lower
Definitely do a video about what makes a video game console
+Sensei Jr. Noted sir.
A video on what makes a good console would be interesting.
On another note... I wonder how Super Marathon is on that system.
+AdamKoralik when it was new, I already was a "pro gamer" and read up to 7 video game magazines/month. Not one of them could talk about it at it's launch, because Apple never though about sending the editorial offices of said magazines a sample of the console. Their only chance to talk about it was during some expo reports. Also there wasn't one store who had this thing, so it's no wonder that no one bought it.
I always enjoy watching your videos! I also live in Chicago. (NW Suburbs)
+dr3wd4wg Represent!
i like the detailed zoom shots like the on the controler vary awesome way
Wow! You have a Pippin. Congrats Man.
+Ponchozworld Thanks!
Awesome that you made a whole video about it
+ilcool90 Hope you liked it!
Steve Jobs actually left Apple in 1985, and he left voluntarily, although the company had by then removed him as CEO and given him some token title that I don't recall.
The "confirmation" button being the right trigger is not at all odd when you think about who made this. It is essentially your mouse clicking finger transmuted onto a gaming controller....
Always was intrigues by the pippin and always think about getting one Thanks for the video.
My left ear enjoyed that Power Rangers Zeo gameplay.
Correction: Steve Jobs wasnt fired he left cuz the board sided with John Scully he was faily young and the board believed he was too young to be a CEO
Yes, please go in depth about game library vs hardware power.
As XBONE and PS4, let alone PC are more powerful as the WiiU it is certainly my favorite console this generation because of the awesome library.
Another interesting thing too look at in the experience of a platform is the controller/interface. Look at the difference between Wii controller, traditional controllers, and Mouse/ Keyboard.
if you're using your right thumb to scroll with the wheel your right index finger will be sitting on the right trigger. makes sense for confirming instead of moving your thumb back to press an action button. still weird though lol
The ball mouse in the center of the pippin controller reminds me of a primative version of the dualshock 4's center touch pad.
14:25 - The Super Ascii Stick L5 for Super Famicom has most of it's buttons on the bottom...so there...
If you end up getting a catbox for the Atari Jaguar, you can use VGA for that I think, just looking at the device.
Managed to grab one of those, the japanese Bandai model. Aside from the Net Yaroze, it's the rarest console i own. Doubt i'll ever find a single game for it. I'll be trying to burn a few games.
The Pippin is part of gaming history. But thanks to videos like this it will not be forgotten.
+John D. Ha, thanks.
This is a bit off topic, but where do you buy your video games? Do you order them online, or do you go to retro video game stores? Maybe garage sales?
There are a couple websites online that you can find that have the ISO files for the Pippin. I agree that I don't like or agree with burned games but since I have never seen an actual game for sale I've been forced to do it with my Pippin.
I was also amazed at the weight of it, I can't think of any other console that weighs quite as much as the Pippin for the size.
+ConsoleGeek Yeah that's true, it's a heavy fucker.
My guess is that those two triggers + the trackball is meant to be a mouse equivalent. But still... using the right mouse button as confirmation is still an odd choice.
It has a 66MHz PowerPC and 6mb for 1995 model 8mb for 1997 model of combined system and video memory(1mb used by taos gpu)and is upgradable so ps1 is around 33MHz and has 2mb of dram, but theres not much info one the gpu the system does 640X480 and 65,536 out of 16 million colors i think the total sales was around 42,000 making the jaguar look popular. I think technically it was more powerful than a ps1 in the cpu and ram just cant find any tech numbers on gpu performance.
Fun fact: the ONLY game released for the Pippin in Europe was a French-language medical resource for urinary problems
I bet you those shoulder buttons are the equivalent of left and right click on a mouse and that’s why the shoulder button is the equivalent of X or a
So I just got a north American version but It has no games. Is the process the same as the ps1 with the buring bin cue files? Any link or info?
You mean to burn? Yeah, basically just use IMGBurn to burn the BIN + CUE files.
Yea too burn 👍 thanks. Not much info on this thing. I didn't even know what it was until I owned it lol🤣 I just knew I needed to buy it for 40$!!!
@@Mike-qv6du Damn dude. Impressive. Join my Discord if you need more Pippin info.
@@Mike-qv6duno. The images don't contain the pipen ROM.
Yeah i believe it has the same internals as the Performa macs. The os you showed looks a lot like Mac OS 8.6/OS9. A lot of the games from what I read were Mac ports.
As odd as that confirm button is, I get why it's like that. Basically it's trying to emulate a mouse, I've had similar experiences playing some games on Steam using the Steam controller.
I live in Japan like your friend and I see Pippins sometimes too. They are definitely reasonable and I'm sure I'll pick one up eventually.
So does it run the Apple Mac version of say Wolfy 3D? I think aesthetically it is cool but shame it has no games to really justify getting one. I wouldn't be rushing out to get one based on the power rangers game, no offence lol. Can you say what the other official games are at all? Cool thing to have in the collection.
Thanks for the interesting video. Like yourself I remember hearing about this back in the day and thinking it was nonsense. Then I saw an advert at the back of a magazine for importing it from Japan ( I live in the UK so that was weird at first ).
This made me think how disheartening it must be to make a product like this and see it go nowhere!!!
+chrisrobinson82 Thanks for watching!
Man! I’ve wanted one for a long time. I have a dozen Macs from that era. System Software 7- Mac OS 8.x
No wonder that I know this machine as "Bandai Pippin" and not "Apple Pippin" if it was sold in Japan with Bandai brand and video games magazines in my country always talked about it as Bandai's console, not an Apple's console. I remember this big article about this and maybe in somewhere there they mentioned Apple's contribution to this, but I was too young to be interested to read that whole thing (I wish I could find that magazine and all of my old video games magazines for that matter), I just read the titles and captions.
I'd be really interested in seeing what you think "makes" a console. I think it's the games and the controller and anything else is very minor, but I'm curious what else you have to say about that.
+Jelster64 Noted sir. :D
You should do some of these videos for portable consoles like gameboy, game gear, atari lynx, etc. I think that would be really cool.