Toolroom lathe: Weiler Primus
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2024
- The rebuilder of the weiler:
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congrats! great looking lathe, almost as pretty as you!
Eyyyy tony
*Awwww* *Blush*
Thank you.
Its not as good as his smooth talkin' monologuing. The man can one-take a 20min technical lecture like a ruddy pro. He's gonna be a talk show host one day, you'll see.
@@danoneill8751And that as a German😅👏🏻
Two All-star machinists in the same post!! It is a beautiful lathe and you are just the right guy to fully appreciate it.
"I don't see myself as a teacher."
Well too bad, because I've learned a ton from your videos.
Im not here for the lathe. Im here for everthing that You teach us. Im soooo happy for anyone that can improve their equipment.
Am here for the lathe today haha... Have been looking for a Weiler at the auctions in the US. Stefan does a great job on his videos!
I'm here for Stefan's magnificent ponytail.
Don't worry about relatability, your technique, process approach, and charming personality, is what we are here for.
Stefan, no need to apologise for getting a more precise machine to do your own work. Your demonstrations of what can be achieved in a small mostly manual machine shop is definitely relatable to many hobby/home workshops so more of the same is welcome, it always brightens my day when you release a new video.
Congrats on the new machine. Can't wait to see it shine.
I don't get why people throw the "This channel is getting unrelatable" non sense card at you. This is a working shop where you get your living out of, so if you can improve the quality of your work by getting better machines, why not?
This is not a demo shop filled with a bunch of sponsored machines just to gather dust that requires mentioning every single brand at 100 times per video. This shop is used to make a living.
Right, and what’s more!… I wonder what any such viewer would be afraid to learn, watching professional work, done by a professional, on professional equipment, that they couldn’t still apply to any other setup or for any other caliber production 😂… the more this shop grows the further my knowledge does I can’t imagine that’d ever be less true for anyone else 🤷♂️ and it’s the same content provider, providing to an entire world, a window’s view into his production, as it evolves and grows… but it’s **HIS** PRODUCTION! 😂
Ouch shots fired at a certain american youtuber?
Congrats on the new lathe buddy!
Thank you very much!
Don’t apologize for the evolution of the quality of your machines in your shop. It is natural, especially when it is a professional shop. Thank you for all your video’s, I enjoy them all.
Don't worry about getting machines that we hobbyists are unlikely to buy.
Hobbyist machinists on UA-cam are a dime a dozen. Highly skilled professionals, sharing their knowledge, are incredibly rare -- and like you said, we can learn from you whether it's on an Emco or a lathe that can't fit in a garage.
That is a beauty Stefan, I can't wait to see your enhancements!
ATB, Robin
Thank you, Robin, hope you are doing well :-)
Stefan, you an unselfish mentor and a professional who is very curious and willing to share your processes and discoveries. As I hobby machinist, these are exactly reasons why I watch every second of your videos. You inspire and elevate my capabilities and confidence with every episode. Thank you. 👍👍😎👍👍
Only 20x what my lathe cost new, and a beautiful tool. I do look forward to seeing what you can show us of you using it. Frankly this is a lot more relatable than some other channels because you actually made a decision to invest in it and it's not some sponsorship gimmick to sell tools. Happy new year of the dragon too!
I’m as hobby as a hobby machinist comes and I find your content completely relatable. I especially like the new challenges you face and how you tackle them. I wouldn’t change a thing. Congrats on the new lathe!
For what its worth on the 'less relatable to the hobby machinist' question at the end: your channel, along with cylo's garage and robrenz, are where I go to learn advanced techniques; there's a thousand channels of 'guy in a shed makes a thing'.
If anyone has tool envy, it's their problem not yours.
Keep doing what you do, those who appreciate your content are along for the journey as well as a little education.
You may not consider yourself to be a teacher but you are. I've learned tons of valuable helpful tips and tricks that have helped my a lot over the past 8+ years I've been watching. Great video as always! 👍👍
You make your work totally relatable. Your videos got me into machining 10yrs ago with zero experience. Even though you use different equipment, I've always been able to apply your techniques and processes to my own work/shop. Thanks for sharing all your experience and knowledge!
I believe your content stands out for its unique focus on maintaining high-quality work. Your channel is on par with Robin Ransetti's and Tom Lipton's. Its primary value lies in the meticulous attention to detail and the overall quality of craftsmanship.
I believe that someday I will achieve a similar level, and channels like yours are a great source of inspiration. Please, do not change anything!
Congratulations on your upgrade. I doubt you will lose any of your audience - we learn from your planning, work processes and disciplines, which transfer across all machines. Thanks for sharing.
As you basically said, the methods are in many cases independent of the machines. When I had a business I learned that quite often the most cost effective way to increase production and / or quality was to toss money rather than sweat and pain at a problem. The drill bits poke holes whether in a Jacobs or an Albrecht chuck, the cutters make chips with varying degrees of surface finish. Watching you show production of small fiddly parts is always interesting and usually a learning experience, as I learned most of the small scale methods doing watch and clock work, and you bring a different approach to the job sometimes. That isn't a lathe I'm familiar with here in the US, but it looks to be a really excellent machine. I hope you have many good years of pleasure and profit with it.
You're comments at the end are spot on. The machines are cool and fun to see and learn about, but it is the techniques and approach that are most interesting. That combined with your personality and delivery are what keep me watching your videos. Keep up the great work, I'm glad that your new business venture appears to be going quite well for you.
I enjoy watching anyone who is good at their trade.
Sweet memories.. I learned turning on A Weiler Primus.. we had 4 of those at school.. and 1 Weiler Praktikant.. which was a tad bit bigger..
I Used to have an EMCO Compact 8 which is although a quite "lightweight" machine, a very precise machine a "Super 11" was on my wishlist for a long time.. but instead i first got the EMCO 8, sold that later, since i didn't do that much turning, Later i bought a Compact 5 CNC, a very small CNC lathe, not very stable, but quite precise.. i mostly turned Titanium on that machine.. i still have it.. later i got an EMCOturn 120 which is a much more industrial machine, but for small work.. which i do.. so the "120 " suited me perfectly.. i still dream of having a Weiler one day...
You might not consider yourself as a teacher.. but then again.. i like to see what, and more specific HOW you do some things.. as i even with 30 years of experience under my belt still learn.. why?.. learning is fun, otherwise i might as well have stayed dumb.. 😁
Thanks for the video Stefan! Your channel is completely relatable. Physics is physics and theory doesn't change with machine costs. In addition, your journey from hobby to more than hobby to professional has it's own educational and entertainment value.
Say "applicable", not "applyable" which might not be a word.
Steffan has been way out of my league. But I love his work and his process. I learn all the time
Thanks for introducing us to your new lathe.... I have a small, at home machine shop with an old Lathe (50s) and a Bridgeport (80s).... It doesn't bother me at all, that you get "new stuff", glad you get it, and tell us about it. As you said.... A Lathe is a Lathe is a Lathe.... Always look forward to your content, and "Mystery Parts" Keepum coming!!!.
May you use your new toy in good health and may it bring fortune and productivity to your business. Congratulations. It looks like something that belongs in a surgical theater. I do adore the term renzetification. Thank you, as always for taking the time to explain your processes and decision-making. There are always going to be insights to be gleaned from your channel, regardless of the machinery you choose.
Great to see someone who bought a thing show what it does with no buyers's remorse👍
That collet-closer is something I'd give an arm for (though I'd probably lose the other arm power-winding the damn thing within a day or two😉).
I'm not sure why you mentioned the angst of losing potentially hobbyists, all of your content is crammed with useful information about planning and implementing a successful outcome using the equipment at hand, or explaining the benefits of certain upgrades. If you were just showing "must have" equipment, with Amazon links, that would suck, but showing ways of improving cheap gear and building what is needed with what is owned has always been the core of your content since I've been watching it
I have always appreciated your practical snippets, even though you don't consider yourself a teacher I would say you have contributed more than you could ever guess to the hobbyist and professional toolmakers community.
Also: 100K+ subs -- congrats! :-)
Thank you!
Don't worry about how relatable your videos are. They are really interesting as they are. There are many channels showing less precise work ( or I could just look at what I get up to in my workshop!) but it's good to see a level of accuracy and precision that I can aspire to even if I'm unable to achieve it.
I’m very happy for you to acquire the quality of tooling that makes your transition from paid employee to shop owner. You deserve (and need) proper equipment to make a living. It does almost seem like a Christmas present to get what you explain as one of the best on the market, but that is because you have put in the effort to be in the position. You definitely are a wonderful teacher, and the techniques are what I come for, not the “glitter “ that you are able to justify by upgrading to better tools. Always enjoy your acquisitions and the patience you show in the explanations of how and why. Congratulations! Now for some chips and microscopic measurements 😂
Happy new lathe! If there something I've learned it's that when Stefan says he won't buy a machine, it's certain that he will buy said machine.
Not at all worried about your channel being unrelatable. I don’t do any machining. I’m a woodworker, so it’s really your production methods and zen philosophies that are fascinating to me. Good for you for getting another machine that will help your business grow.
Stefan your processes and explanations are of exceptional quality. I believe the only critique to be made would be quantity 😂 we would always be open to more content 😊. Thank you for sharing.
I say we vote if Stefan is allowed to evolve in his activities,
seriously, congrats on the new sweetheart! A few years ago i was lucky to be able to drag one of those small revolver head (260) into my garage, i love collets now. Best regards from belgium
Congrats Stefan,i knew,sooner or later U either come Up with a Schaublin vm or a Primus.
I am glad your Shop is growing and you are succesfull.
With a paper clip and some glue, you're still a more precise machinist from which I can learn something. Having your machine is no substitute for having your experience. Please continue as you see fit!
Nice machine Stefan. I was fortunate enough to find a 1969 Hardinge HLV-H about 15 miles from my home. I’ve since rebuilt it and it is my favorite machine to use in my home shop. We have a small group of home machinists at work (Blue Origin at Kennedy Space Center in Florida), and your videos are discussed quite regularly. While you may not consider yourself a teacher, you educate us nonetheless and all of us enjoy what you do very much. Enjoy the new to you lathe, it looks well-suited for your needs. Cheers from Florida’s Space Coast.
I love your videos and even after 42 years in this trade I have learned many techniques which I use within my own jobshop, I am not to old or proud to learn!
I find different countries use different methods which can always be interesting, sometimes better sometimes not .
My tool room lathe is a smart and brown 1024 it was made in 1966 and is still supper accurate, the compound slide looks the same as yours just a bit longer 😂
I also have a DSG 17 42 lathe for my general work .
Keep up the great work you are the future of this great trade
Thanks
Nick uk
Thanks for the kind words!
Hey Stefan, congrats on the new lathe!
At work we also have a Primus LZ, but it's a bit older (built in '85).
It's an awesome machine.
Very easy to use, very rigid, a ton of torque and really precise (when maintained properly).
We almost exclusively do hand-sized and smaller prototype-parts.
Last october I more or less rebuilt it after it got neglected maintenance and care-wise.
Took apart all the slides, cleaned out all the oil- and grease-passages, put new seals on all the slides relubed and changed the oil and replaced all the bearings.
I put a ton of tips and knowledge of you and other UA-cam-channels into it.
Your content really helps to deepen my knowledge in the trade and gives me an edge in knowhow to also help others get to the desired outcome.
I sincerely thank you for that!!
Greetings from Knuffingen!
Danke, Stefan. Ich kann immer was lernen indem ich Deine Videos anschaue. ✌
I appreciate that the lathe is called "Dream Machine" in German!
There are two dream brands german hobby machinists are after: Deckel (for milling machines) and Weiler (for lathes).
Congratulations on your new lathe,Stefan.Good to know.Thank you.
I love seeing the new machines. I'm mostly here to see the process of how you do the work. And the cool European machines... Been on the hunt for a Deckle FP1 or an Aciera F3 for quite some time.
I don't think you've gotten too high end or unrelatable in your machines/techniques. Only the TESA-Hite, but that's just cool that you can have one!
Very nice lathe. I don't think it'll put off hobbyists at all. You've always produced high end work on here for hobbyists to aspire too and I think that's the appeal, seeing everything done properly. I started watching you years ago, got into it, bought a tiny lathe and mill and gained some experience, now I run a CNC vertical borer with a 2500mm chuck. That wouldn't have been possible without the teachings of a very small number of channels, this being one of them. Thanks, I guess!
Wow I thought the Emco great, my dream lathe, I've never heard of a Primus. Watching you use any lathe is a pleasure.
Re: your note at end - enjoy seeing your home shop growth You still relate to those of us at the beginning of their journey
How can anyone not like "New Machine Day"? As impressive as that lathe is the feature that got me green with envy is the long travel compound. Many a time I've been frustrated wanting to turn a taper just that little bit longer than my compound's travel.
Weiler lathe’s is the best! I have had 4 of them and I love them all. There are better lathes out there but not if you look overall on price on Sparepart etc compared to Schaublin and Hardinge etc. Weiler has standard measurements on bearings, leadscreew etc.
keep up the good work Stefan!
Yeah - They are not "the best", just as the Deckel - But as you say availability of spare parts is a big deal :)
I also have a Deckel but a FP2 😂
I personally appreciate your content. I get to see how you work through your work.
Stefan, great to see you succumbed to the allure of a Weiler lathe and spent time explaining its features critical to your business. The fact that they are as rare as hens teeth in the UK is neither here nor there. Although you shy away from calling it a teaching channel, your dialogue illuminates the transferable issues by shining a light from different angles. Pardon my mixed metaphors and keep up the great videos.
Beautiful machine. Seems like a Hardinge toolroom lathe for quality. We all lust after equipment of this quality.
In the late 70's I worked ( "Praktikum" for Uni) at a UK machine tool manufacturer, same contrast of old and new, still made old school mechanical and hydraulic 2 and 3D copy mill machines but were beginning to use CNC machines in their manufacture while being behind on modernising their own product. Needless to say long gone.
Awesome "new" lathe. You could make an angled skid plate for that guard. 3D printed plastic might do.
When I first discovered your channel you had the shaper and the pantograph. I doubt many people saw those and thought, "that's just like my shop!"
I keep coming back because I like seeing the kinds of work you do and the way you solve problems. There's pleasure in seeing a skilled craftsman in action, and in hearing them think out loud as they work. I like watching Adam Booth even though his roughing passes move more metal than I put in a whole project, and Kurtis from Cutting Edge Engineering even though I'll never refit hydraulic cylinders longer than my house. Your knowledge, your interests, your standards, and your sense of humor make the channel worth following. The machines just keep pace with you as you grow.
I'd rather watch you learn how to get the most out of a machine that costs more than my house than see you struggle with the limits of a machine you've outgrown.
I am a wannabe machinist hobbyist, this content is still relevant, just raising the bar on my tool envy! :)
Congratulations on the purchase of a beautiful Weiler Primus lathe. To be honest, I was impressed with your Emco Super 11. This new lathe is over the top and I look forward to seeing all the amazing work you will do with it.
Congrats for the new lathe! I use to have a Primus and I loved it. Replaced it with an Matador because I needed bigger spindle bore. Keep up the good work BR Rob
Thank you! (I think the Matador is the "better" machine, but also larger)
Hey Stefan, all your processes are relatable of course. I won't ever work(hobby machinist) to your tolerances or budget but I do want to hit my marks. If you sell your crappy old enco put it in a flat rate UPS carton and send it me in NZ and AND I will pay the shipping. Love what you show us and the thought process you explain and your humour. I watch you and the very rare Robin R vids for the same reasons very inspiring thanks. Olde Tony( ebircsbus) too. 😊
Nice upgrade. I think you are spot-on with the procedures and process being the objective. Working at 0.1mm on one machine and 0.01mm on another is just a matter of what the job requires not the method. I think being able to work at higher precision gives all of us viewers insight into how we can do better with what we have to work with if we pay closer attention to the details you illustrate.
I am somewhat envious that you have a relatively new Weiler! I am proud to own one too but mine, a second hand LZ300 ( I think this must be the Praktikant size), must be from the 1960's. It was the first machine I ever bought when I joined a model engineering club in 1983. I knew nothing about machining at the time (I was only 21 years old) but I had a feeling that it would be a good machine. It turned out to be in very poor condition but over the years, as my skills developed, I fully overhauled it and I love it! I now work from home too. I am enthralled with your videos and only wish I had access to the techniques you're telling us many years ago.
Collet stop system is a must... for machining multiple parts...should be easy enough to make..
The MT2in the tailstock is a bit smaller than I'd like , MT3 would be preferable...
The spindle bore seems small too, especially when running collets, I suppose it depends on your work..
I like the collet closer...
I'm looking forward to seeing how it performs in the coming months !!..
I don't know how you work in such a small shop...
All said and done though, Stefan, I'm here for the use of the machines, not the machines themselves... 🤗
😎👍☘️🍺
Stefan, I agree 100% that your processes and techniques are applicable in any workshop, whether professional or hobby. The biggest difference I see (as a hobby machinist) is that I can't (and don't really need to) hold the tight tolerances that you must hold for your customers.
Well done 👍. Thank you for taking the time to share.
Very nice lathe Stefan, im sure you will get the most performance out of it. I can't wait to see it in use. As far as being unrelatable, absolute nonsense. I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a machinist, but im learning with every video.
Oh very Nice :D I think this is the machine that Arnold was showing on the EMO last year. So i had my hands on this one before you did xD because i was looking for a nice rebuilt Machine for our R&D shop. Congratulations to this nice purchase!
Yes! Also at AMB, if i remember right :=)
I think your willingness to share what you know with everyone is why your channel is popular, I'm just happy you got a machine you wanted. Keep the videos coming.
Man that is probably the best looking lathe I’ve ever seen in my life. I’m jealous lol😄 Nice machine👍🙂
Stefan I would say under 30,000 euros is a really good deal in todays market. In the late 80's I bought a new Hardinge HLVH toolroom lathe and it cost $30,000 usd and I heard that before they quit building new ones they were as high as $60,000 usd. I think you made a very wise choice.
Dein Englisch ist wirklich beneidenswert gut👍 viel Spaß mit der Maschine
Nice machine, I learned a lot from your approach to doing things. Sometimes is not how, but why.🙂
@150 Teaching MUST continue. My cousin owns a diecasting place called DieTech. Even though it's a cnc shop, if an error or made or change required. You can't just breakdown the cnc setup to simply deepen a pocket or add a few holes ect. The cnc is already working on the next die. The manual guy is still needed, and these days, in high demand.
I am a true admirer of your skills and knowledge and that German trait for perfection. I can't think of anyone who would appreciate my HLV-H EM Hardinge lathe more than you when I decide to sell in a few years.
Hello Stefan! Congratulations on the addition of that much gravity to your shop. 😄 I look forward to seeing the upgrades and refinements you will do. It seems like an excellent investment. 👍
COngrats mate !
Weiler is one of the BEST lathes one can get!
Congrats on the new machine. Who doesn’t work to upgrade their shop with better machines and tooling?!!
I think its great that you buy expensive machines. Machines that most of us could never buy (or WOULD never buy) so we get to see how a pro shop does stuff.
The cleverness, precision and intricacy of what you do are the real stars anyway, the machines are just tools. 👍
Wish I had a machine shop or at least a few machines so that I could be like you. Keep up the good work.
Congrats on the new machine. A new machine is NOT unrelateable (as long as it's a manual machine) I'm too old (and too old school) for the CNC stuff...I can still watch some, but the manual set-up is where I'm comfortable. Even if your equipment was brand new, your videos would be relateable.
That's a very nice toy to play with.
And I think you're right. A machine is a machine. For hobby or pro, the technique is the same.
I have a shop in my basement with tools that have been paid for by using them. It's both a hobby and a business. It grew over time and I buy increasingly better quality and more expensive tools. I find what you are doing to be very relatable. I'm sure that many other people do as well.
Thanks Stefan. That was very interesting. Nice analytical approach. Cheers! Mart in England.
Shiny! I don't need one, but now I want one.
Stefan, you hit the nail on the head when you referenced the processes as we found your techniques beneficial for doing prototype and one-off pieces. Congratulations on the new (to you) lathe.
ps. Not many if any hobbyists have tool grinders or Tesa-Hite measuring machines, as we do. Cheers!
Well deserved upgrade, and I'm sure you'll squeeze the most accuracy from it.👊🏻✌🏻
Gorgeous machine, congrats Stefan!
what you teach is priceless and timeless. your teachings will never be outdated.
Very cool equipment to me it's your skill set is why I watch toe tools are something to drool over looking forward to see the development of the new lathe.
The functional simplicity of the features and construction of this machine, leaves me envious.
I don’t understand why more machine manufacturers have not followed a similar pattern, to produce something similar, but, at a lower cost.
I suspect it is rooted in the availability of cheap imported parts and components, and easier with a higher profit margin, to spin out clones, on the same old patterns.
Nice piece of kit. Thanks for the detailed breakdown. Enjoy!
Excellent. I have no concerns about your high end equipment and, despite your misgivings, you are an excellent teacher.
Hi Stefan :-) such a beautiful machine. Thank you very much indeed for sharing your passion. I've been watching your videos for years but I can't remember if I've ever said hello before, so hi. And many thanks. Mein name ist Barney.
Hi Barney :-)
Great to see the new lathe! Congrats!👍😀
Great new machine. Thank you for sharing and bringing us along!
Pretty lathe, in a German way. I owned an Emco Super 11 (big bore) for several years, so I kind of relate to your experience. Ultimately, I let the Emco go.
In my day job of 27 years that I'm now retired from - running a US Navy optics lab - I had a Hardinge HLV narrow bed. It was a great lathe, the equal of the wide bed HLVH in a adjacent lab I also had access to. My main machines were ultra precision CNC machines of the highest caliber, used to directly produce optical surfaces. So, I'm kind of jaded.
Since 1986 I've had home machines. A long and colorful succession of lathes - Logans, Sheldon, South Bends, Taiwan Mori Seki pattern, and even some Chinese lathes. Of all of those the Emco was probably the one I should have kept. But I just didn't bond with the machine. The quality is good, but not toolroom good. I found the layout just different enough to be annoying. And what is with Austrians and their love of unnecessarily angular style and weird machine paint color? Currently, I have a hoary old Logan 14, a friendly old lathe, but like the friendly stray dog that wanders into your life for a while, it's looking for its true home.
I don't want a Hardinge. Too big and heavy - I'm space constrained too. I'm a bit leery of Taiwan machines having used them. They are quite decent, but to get that amazing feel and accuracy of a really quality machine the cost would have to be 2-3X. Colchester and Harrison lathes are just too used up now - finding a low hours small English machine is impossible, and I don't trust any rebuild. I've been aware of Weiler for a while now, but these machines are incredibly rare in the US. The Primus looks great, but without going to Europe and exporting/importing one, I've no hope of getting one. I thought about doing just that (with some climbing days thrown in), but that stalled in 2020... I've looked into importing a bit, seems complicated and might be an expensive failed experiment.
So the search for the perfect lathe goes on. Maybe a prime Wade 8A will pop up nearby on Craigslist!
Always happy to see someone get an upgrade.
Whoa my Stefansense is peaking. I was just thinking "I would like to see a new video" and boom 4 hours ago you posted this.
Thank you for the great video and congrats in new machine! I just bought Weiler 120 CNC lathe from marketplace from Germany 😁 i plan to retrofit it with new controler so it was nice to hear it is a heavy duty machine worth investing time into 😅
Enjoy your presentations and work. Thanks!