3:45 you were musing that the B17 had possibly the same capacity for bombs... The Lancaster could carry a typical bomb load of around 14,000lbs, for over 1,600 miles at 200mph. Meanwhile, the B-17’s smaller bomb bay allowed it to carry just 8,000lbs of bombs on shorter missions of less than 400 miles, If the B17 was loaded more lightly at 4,500 it could fly a mission of 800 miles cruising at 180mph.
So the B17 had a lower capacity.
The twin engined Mosquito could carry more then a B 17, and a crew of two
Where other bombers of the era had the bomb bay split by the main wing spar, the Lanc had a higher spar that allowed a single, longer bomb bay and much larger individual bombs to be carried - the 12,000lb Tallboy and the 22,000lb Grand Slam. It did require some modification to carry these, particularly the Grand Slam which required the bomb bay doors to be removed. (Both of these bombs were designed by Barnes Wallis, inventor of the 'bouncing bomb' used in the famous Dambusters raid, and the geodetic airframe design that allowed the Wellington to have a larger bomb bay and internal fuel tanks by removing the need for internal cross-bracing. An extraordinary man, whose Wikipedia page is well worth a read for some of his many other innovations).
The production of these 'earthquake' bombs was so expensive and time consuming, crews that didn't drop them on the target were expected to land without jettisoning them - just a ten ton bomb, nothing to worry about.
@@davepowell3293 BULL$HIT it could !!! Mossie could carry 4 500# bombs..... The B17 could carry 12..... with a 2,000 mile range. USAF specs on the B17 !!!
@@otterspocket2826 Only 30 Lancasters were MODIFIED to carry the 22,000 pound Grand slam and only 41 were ever dropped !!!
😍VERA ......The 100 / 1924 -2024 on VERAs tail signifies this year is the 100th anniversary of the Royal Canadian Air Force
Im near Toronto & happy to see her there
Hi @user-kg4eb7nl5b yes it was great to see the Lancaster sir. I did see a Lancaster fly back in 08 in Ohio..
A grand old lady. She never won any beauty contests but boy could she deliver.
P.S.: I do concede that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Hi @WilliamLHart well sir I have to agree with you on the beauty of her. But what a amazing airplane....
Lancaster CGVRA is based out of The Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum in Hamilton Ontario. This is one of a number of warbirds they have in flying condition that you can book a ride in. I get regular mini airshows when they fly past where I live. A friend of mine was on teh crew that did the repainting during its restoration.
Hi @kholden2678 see here sir I have the most amazing people following me on my channel. Thank you for the information. I do watch on UA-cam the build of really 2 Lancasters in England. One to flying status and one for static. Enjoy your mini airshow you get....
Took a trip in her in 2023 and it was one hell of a ride. It was a present from my dad and it’s expensive but well worth it for an experience that is truly unique and amazing.
@@redblackvette FYI this canadian built lanc Mk X used Made in America, by PACKARD merlin engines and American made Hamilton props, 400 of them and 3,040 of the Made in England Mk BIII also used the PACKARD built in America Merlins and Hamilton props !!! Allied co operation. Packard supplied 37,137 merlins to the UK and 18,000 to the USAAF during WWII !!!!
Excellent close ups. Love the Lanc!!
Hi @Blitz9H that's great to hear sir. Do you watch the restoration of a Lancaster in England?
@@redblackvette No, I haven’t seen that yet. One of my childhood neighbors worked on Lancasters during WWII. He kindled my love for the Lancaster.
Whenever I see a Lancaster I am always reminded of the saying: 'A camel is like a horse designed by a committee.'
Bomb load: B17 - 4 - 8,000lbs. Lanc - 12 - 14,000lbs. Lancs also carried the 'bouncing bomb' and the massive 'Earthquake' bomb which was 22,000lbs.
Hi @burlatsdemontaigne6147 yes the Lancaster was a beast I'm learning from everyone. I wonder why I never knew those facts....
burlatsdemontaign BULL$HIT!!! The B17 could carry 12 500# bombs in the bomb bay, and the Lancaster COULD carry 14,000# on very short missions !!! But the RAF figure end of war show that the AVERAGE bomb load carries throughout the war by Lancasters was just over 6,000 # that figured total tons dropped divided by sorties flown !!! Facts of history !!!
I have always wondered at the political / industrial influence over the mass production and use of B17s when you consider that .....the Mosquito carried at max bomb load of 4000 pounds, was faster, had better range, and only required a crew of two, and statistically had greater bombing accuracy then slower, more vulnerable, costlier, and more crew endangering heavies.
Imagine the dramatic reduction in the deplorable losses of personnel that could have been achieved if the Mossies were deployed in the role that the B17 was. i welcome thoughts and comments on this perplexing point.
Hi @petercrooke2018 well sir I believe you bring up a very good case. And I would say that the powers back then could of thought the way you did ....it could of happened. One thing I wonder about is if they could of built as many wood Mosquitos as they did metal B-17s ? I'm thinking that could of been the limited factor. But I still like the way you are thinking. That sure would of saved lives....
You are probably correct, but wars are fought with the equipment you have. Don Charlwood, a navigator on Lancasters mentioned in his book, “Journeys into Night” that even in 1943 he wasn’t aware that the Mosquitoes had a much better survival rate. You can bet that the higher up people in the RAF did know but there was no way they were going to stop the bombing juggernaut.
petercrooke Mossie stock carried 4 500# bombs. MODIFIED it COULD carry a special 4,000# cookis. B17 could carry 12 500# bombs, There was NOT enough supply of merlin engines to build more mosquitos, even though PACKARD in AMERICA and FORD UK were building merlin for the Brits, Packard built 37,000 and Ford UK built 36000, also the mosquito did NOT have more range than either the B17 B24 or Lancaster especial at max bomb load !!
From Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum.
"...The Lancaster is dedicated to the memory of P/O Andrew Mynarski and is referred to as the “Mynarski Memorial Lancaster”. It is painted in the colours of his aircraft KB726 - VR-A, which flew with RCAF No. 419 "Moose" Squadron. Andrew Mynarski won the Victoria Cross, the Commonwealth’s highest award for gallantry, on June 13, 1944..."
Hi @raemouse2 thank you sir so much for more information on the Lancaster. I watch the UA-cam videos in England of the 2 they are working on. Very interesting
The Lancaster was the only bomber to carry the 20,000 pound grand slam bomb. The B-17 wouldn't even get off the ground with that load.
I'm pretty sure that the B29 could carry that bomb. But she was in a class by herself
user, More BULL$HIT lies, B17 and Lancaster had right at the same gross take off weight, and the B17 with its 2 stage TURBOcharged engines could fly 10,000 ft higher than a SINGLE stage supercharged merlins !!! Facts of history !!!
@@cedhome7945 Tall Boys used their 10,000# and they dropped 70 of them and got 2 hits and one that missed was close enough to cause damage, the rest landed up to 5 miles away, why the forest inland was covered with small lakes made by the bombs that missed !!!
@@suryia6706 The B29 did carry them and post war the B29 carried a super blockbuster 44,500 # bomb to 25,000 ft and dropped it, a test !!!
Excellent thanks for sharing. I'm in the UK this old lady visited some years ago and flew around with the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight Lancaster operated by the RAF. Both flew over Just Jane which is the Lancaster you say is being made back into flying condition at the The Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre. UK.
Hi @NeilT3485 thank you sir for your information. It's so cool that are countries ( well we USED to be a country when we had borders). But we are still allies. I was in England in 1973 had a great time.
Good place to mention that Vera had an engine develop a fault while in England, so Just Jane's team loaned one of theirs so Vera could complete her shows and then get home. I was privileged to see Vera flying together with the BBMF that summer.
@@Nimboid-20 yes I remember that happening glad she got home safe. was the engine replaced.
I love the Lancaster & have a strong connection with the aircraft. My father, now deceased was a WW2 m/u gunner (top turret) flying with 101 Squadron out of Ludford Magna in the UK. He flew 32 missions during the months of March 1944 to September 1944. He was in the air on the evening of 05/06 June 1944. During his months of flying half his Squadron was shot down. In 2015 I, along with a few friends, visited his airbase area & the British pub in the village. Also the village church which served as the chapel. Thanks for the quick view of the Lancaster.
My uncle Fred was a rear gunner in one of these. He also flew in a B17 as a rear and waist gunner. He survived the war and did 27 ops.
Did you know that the Lancaster was a reserve choice for dropping the atomic bomb, as the B29 was in a rush to get into production at the time and had to be extensively modified to carry the atom bomb.
Apparently there was a secret squadron formed in England with selected crews who were training for the mission, just in case. The Lancaster could carry the atomic bombs, but would need air to air refuelling as they didn't have the range of a B29, they would also have had to fly lower as the cabin wasn't pressurised.
Interestingly the bomb release gear that was developed for the mission was given to the Americans who used it on the B29's.
See this interesting vid from Mark Felton
ua-cam.com/video/5XX9ptCNpik/v-deo.htmlsi=aSLkxkAN3Djx8jxG
The Lancaster is an amazing aircraft and it's lovely to see and hear it flying.
Hi @montyzumazoom1337 thank you sir so very much for more information on the Lancaster....Wow what an amazing airplane!!!
montyzumazoom The lancaster was NEVER going to carry the Atom bomb, USA developed it and built the B29 to carry it and NO Brit plane was going to drop it !!! Facts, two big reasons, the USA had the back up B32 that could carry it, and the Lancaster could not get above 24,000 Ft, B29 dropped it from 30,000 ft, height needed to be away from the blast and the Lancaster was too slow and did not have the range. The only mods the B29 got to drop the atomic was the bomb release shackle to hold the bomb and mods to the Bombay, and those already had the LATER version fuel injected Wright R3350 solving the reliance problems. You need to do more research and less lies !!!
She’s a fantastic aircraft I’m lucky enough to see her over my house most weekends during the warmer months , earlier this month I was able to climb aboard and take a tour
Hi @m44guy that sir is great to hear! I know I answered your comment the other day but I don't know why it did not show it. Have a great day
Magnifique vidéo du Bombardier Avro Lancaster extérieure! À tu été a l’intérieur? Je connais quelques membres de l’équipage de ce Bombardier! ❤🎉 ils ont survolé Mardi soir avec les 2 autres B-29!!
@@redblackvette You are welcome! I said in french: Magnificent video of the Avro Lancaster Bomber exterior did you go inside? I know a couple of members of the crew of this Bomber! ❤️🎉 They did the flypast Tuesday night with both B-29!!
Hello Dennis. Neville ((christian name) is a wonderful chap and is given exclusive access to " Just Jane" . The return to flight is a 10 year + privately funded venture by the Paton Family . Their uncle was lost in combat over Germany in WW2 and this is their tribute to him. The access you have is incredible ! The public would never be allowed as close to the either "Just Jane "or the B.B.M.F Lancaster . Incidently the Lanc' could carry upto an astonishing 20,000 lb bomb load.
Hi @johndavey72 it sir is incredible the amount of messages I have been getting on the Lancaster. Wow the schooling I have gotten has been revealing. I have nothing but praise for the amazing Lancaster....I do like watching the videos Neval does
For anyone interested in Lancaster stories, there's a few good autobiographies out there. I can recommend 'Luck and a Lancaster' by Harry Yates as well as 'Lancaster Target' by Jack Currie. Epic stories of missions over Germany, and interaction wirh US airmen when diverted to US airfields in bad weather.
Hi @bigglesace1626 thank you sir so much for sharing that information. I'm sure many will want to check those out.....could even be me....
This Lancaster is from the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum in Hamilton, Ontario, it is one of two flying examples in the world, the other being with the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight in the UK, you don’t see these everyday!
Hi @rustyrollo9110 it was really neat to see the Lancaster sir. I have learned so much from my tubers about it. And to all you Thank you!!!
Last year the UK Lancaster made three low passes over our club, Phyllis Court in Henley-on-Thames. I stood rooted to the spot for five minutes or so the with hairs up on my forearms. So many people still walked around chatting without a glance skyward, ignoring this unique experience and it's implacable role in defending our country.
Hi @VickersDoorter wow sir such a great story! Well you know any more when a airplane flys over no body cares. We airplane people will break our necks to see what's in the air!! Yes sir these airplanes saved our countries... God bless you
Just Jane is the one being refurbished in England. She is at the East Kirkby aviation museum in Lincolnshire (Bomber County). It’s a very interesting day out if anyone finds themselves over here.
Hi @nigelscott1922 well sir I do watch the videos on UA-cam about Just Jane and the other one. But I have gotten more information from you all on UA-cam!!! Wow what an amazing airplane.....
Beautiful airplane, looking up at the bomb bay when open today it was amazing to see the control cables and pulleys visible right there in the bomb bay (freeze right around 3:36). Doesn’t take much imagination to think of flak or ground fire making those super vulnerable. But then anything added to protect them would’ve taken away from Load carrying capacity, which was after all the mission.
Hope to see the museum when I’m in Saint Catherine’s next weekend!
Hi @tonyInPA well that's great sir you were able to check out the Lancaster yourself. I too seen those cables and wondered the same thing. I hope you get to make it to that place next weekend....
She flew directly over my house on the way there about a week ago. I’ve been inside of her before anyone there.
Is this the one out of Hamilton?
Hi @jontipping I'm sorry sir I do not know. But I believe it has a Canadian N number
Yes this is the one from Hamilton - I've got a couple of videos of it flying.
Sorry Yank the Mosqueto was a two engine British wooden bomber and could carry a B17 bomb load twice as far at twice the speed back in 1942 , yawt to get out more . Only jesting as yar seemed to have got the hang of the old aeroplane now .
Hi @ianperry9914 well sir I believe I know a bit more about the wooden wonder ( Mosquito) than I do about the Lancaster. But I sure have been getting schooled by a lot of people on the Lancaster. Wow what a remarkable airplane! And the sound of the 4 Merlinsis assume!!! Again thank you all for the schooling.....
The mid upper turret looks like a Bendix turret used on the B-17 or Liberator. Definitely not the original type .
The aircraft was post war and used as a maritime patrol aircraft for 18 years before restoration in 1977 to 1988.
olentangy You are right, USA provided a lot on the Canadian planes, even the engines were built by Packard in the USA along with the 3,040 British built MK BIII in England !!! Allied co operation !!
@@JohnRoss1 It was built in June 1945 and flew to UK and returned when war ended !!!
Finally figured out my flying situation. Decided not to go with an UC and instead I'm going to get my PPL and buy or build a Sonerai IIS. That'll open up a lot more doors for future career paths than staying unlicensed with a 103 would have. I start school in about 3 months. I'll see you at Oshkosk 25! 😉
Hi@@9pm_sunrisewow sir that is great news!! Follow your dreams and make a living out of it. May God bless you with your future!!
She is a grand old lady Bro. A friend of mine Kermit Weeks has is Fantasy of Flight Museum restores all kinds of birds. Don't work youself too hard Buddy. God Bless
Hi @barrywinslow9798 yes sir she is. And Kermit has a Lancaster in a bunch of storage units. God bless you
@@redblackvette He is a mess....lol....and a super talented guy. God bless
many scholars believe the Lancaster was better/safer than a B17 or B24. Its a heated debate!
Yes, the Lancs were also significantly faster than the B-17’s at altitude, and carried allot more bomb tonnage. The only disadvantage is the armament on the Lanc were .303 calibre, not the vaunted .50 cal. I have no idea about the safety part. My Grandfather was a RCAF Lanc pilot and flew 30 successful missions over occupied Europe and Germany. He told me ALL the stories, warts and all. Some kinda funny as well (how the American B-17 and Canadian Lanc crews interacted, good rivalry).
Hi@@claytonwhyte9834 well sir I have not heard of that argument. But I bet there is. God bless you
Too bad Bomber command lost twice the men as USAAF with the USAAF have over two times as many airmen in theater !!! The lancaster was a flying coffin !!!
Lancaster bomb bay and max weight don’t even compare to Fort
Do your research BEFORE you narrate something. Then you won't get it so wrong chum.
Hi @paramarky no sir in that particular case I sure thought it wrong. Was totally unaware of the capability of the Lancaster. I have been schooled by a lot of people on here. Thank you for pointing it out......
I was at the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum on 22 Sept 1988 for our Lanc's first flight, and I've seen her many times since. She is absolutely majestic in the air and the sound of those 4 Merlins is pure music to the ear. "Vera" carries the registration C-GVRA and the Royal Canadian Air Force id of FM 213. She flew over to Britain a few summers ago and flew formation demonstration with the only other flying Lancaster, of the Battle of Britain Flight.
Hi @coldlakealta4043 wow it is so neat sir that I am getting all this information. The Lancaster is an amazing airplane I'm finding out. And of course the 4 Merlins running is great music!!
I got lucky and saw then both in formation at Southend airport in the UK. The date was 23 August 2014. Never to be forgotton. There is a third example in the UK that can taxi but not fly. If you have a few million to spare I'm sure they would be delighted to hear from you.