Rare Chopin - 8 pieces that are rarely preformed, (part 2)

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  • @alexbizannes7501
    @alexbizannes7501 Рік тому +3

    Absolutely love this first piece

  • @johnnyp6202
    @johnnyp6202 19 днів тому

    So much Schubert influence in the Allegro de Concerto. It's a great piece.

  • @smalin
    @smalin 2 роки тому +21

    I’m surprised the pianist missed the a-sharps in measures 17 and 34 of casts diva.

    • @jonbean6533
      @jonbean6533 Рік тому

      No they didn’t. You are mistaken

    • @klop4228
      @klop4228 Рік тому

      @@jonbean6533 at the end of bar 17 there's an A-sharp missing

  • @findelka1810
    @findelka1810 2 роки тому +5

    The Tarantella to which Chopin alludes in his letter is Rossini’s La danza.

  • @tatjanamarinkovic43
    @tatjanamarinkovic43 10 місяців тому +3

    This is a genuine little treasure. Thank you very much for both videos (1&2)!

  • @mckernan603
    @mckernan603 2 роки тому +13

    Such a privilege to follow along with his manuscript

  • @findelka1810
    @findelka1810 2 роки тому +25

    The Allegro de concert (which was originally planned to be the 1st part of a third piano concerto) was written with the intent that he’d play it at his return to Warsaw (probably when Poland would have been re-established as a country - as Chopin could not return because he refused to have a Russian passport). Chopin supposedly felt it by 1846 that this won’t happen and published it as a separate opus in its own, without any orchestral parts. It’s somewhat sad, but the music is so triumphant and redeeming- not any other of his works come close to it.
    There is an orchestral version of it on yt, Ingolf Wunder orchestrated it, it’s pretty epic!

    •  2 роки тому

      There's a reconstruction of the orchestral part of the Allegro de Concert ua-cam.com/video/xcn0KxqS20E/v-deo.html

    • @arlettehellemans2117
      @arlettehellemans2117 2 роки тому

      Indeed, it sounds like a Pianoconcerto

    • @Xyriak
      @Xyriak Рік тому

      Yes, I've heard the Wunder recording. Sounds great, and how it probably would have sounded like if the orchestral accompaniment had been added.

    • @_samuelfrancis_
      @_samuelfrancis_ Рік тому +1

      source?

  • @findelka1810
    @findelka1810 2 роки тому +6

    The apropos of the marche funèbre was probably the death of his little sister, Emilia in 1827.

  • @krzysztofjuszczak906
    @krzysztofjuszczak906 2 роки тому +8

    33:50 sounds to me like Schubert's Impromptu Op. 90 No. 4
    edit: I've just listened to it again, and the resemblance is not as exact as I thought, but the ideas seem to be

  • @lucasramos253
    @lucasramos253 2 роки тому +3

    the letter that Chopin wrote about the Tarantella for Fontana is kinda cute, tho

  • @fryderyckchopin484
    @fryderyckchopin484 2 роки тому +36

    Timestamps:
    0:12 Allegro de concerto op. 46
    11:48 Bolero in C Major
    19:00 Casta Diva
    22:37 Hexameron: Variation VI
    24:53 Marche Funèbre op. 72 no 2
    30:45 Tarantelle
    33:50 Variations sur un theme allemande
    41:26 Variations sur un air national de Moore

  • @M.Arsenault
    @M.Arsenault  2 роки тому +18

    The first part of this series seemed to be very well enjoyed (and recently enjoyed by the algorithm as well..). I hope everyone enjoys this one too! This channel has also rapidly reached 500 subscribers, which I'm very impressed by - Thanks!

  • @jraldne1
    @jraldne1 Рік тому +2

    Well what do you know?....And what a wonderful discovery; that some of what I have heard so far, is, well...something of a departure from the Chopin; that of which we are all familiar, oh...and such a fabulous discovery....THANK YOU!!!...THANK YOU!!!...THANK YOU!!!!....

  • @SCRIABINIST
    @SCRIABINIST 2 роки тому +27

    I honestly think Allegro de Concert is one of Chopin's most underrated and best works, same with Prelude Op.45 and Impromptu Op.51 of that time frame. The only critique I have is that it's unpianistic at parts and I think a bit too virtuosic... but the themes are to die for!

    • @M.Arsenault
      @M.Arsenault  2 роки тому +10

      I really should of included the two non-op.28 preludes in here. The Allegro is in fact one of my favorite Chopin piece, probably because of how lisztian it is.

  • @carlhopkinson
    @carlhopkinson Рік тому +2

    Allegro de concerto: Brilliant and so inventive. This one just grows and grows on you with amazing unanticipated jewels of creativity forever unfolding along the trip.

  • @douwemusic
    @douwemusic Рік тому +1

    Definitely Rossini speaking through Chopin's Tarantella!

  • @elias7748
    @elias7748 2 роки тому +1

    First time I’ve heard Chopins version of casts diva

  • @mantictac
    @mantictac 2 роки тому +4

    The Tarantella is one of my favourite Chopin pieces, regardless of popularity or musical complexity. In fact, I think it's one of the only works published during his lifetime where Chopin fully indulges himself in "fun" writing. Later of course, he criticized it as he tended to, but I really appreciate the authenticity. Same for the Bolero. It's a shame that these works especially are so uncommon.

    • @tarikeld11
      @tarikeld11 2 роки тому +1

      Hello there! I also loved the Tarantella, but I have to say I was a bit surprised about the style. Sounds like Beethoven or Schumann at some moments

    • @mantictac
      @mantictac 2 роки тому

      @@tarikeld11 Oh hello! I wouldn't have known you replied if I didn't check back on this video, UA-cam is awful with notifications. I got that feeling too but I couldn't really describe why. Maybe it's a bit denser and more "structural" than the thin flowery style Chopin usually preferred.

    • @douwemusic
      @douwemusic Рік тому

      @@tarikeld11 Rossini!!

  • @alexbizannes7501
    @alexbizannes7501 Рік тому +1

    Another amazing work full of imagination

  • @findelka1810
    @findelka1810 2 роки тому +5

    The boléro actually has a polonaise rhythm. 🙃

    • @PatrickLedwig
      @PatrickLedwig 2 роки тому

      The two rhythms are very similar!

    • @CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
      @CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji 2 роки тому

      Do check Greg Niemczuk's analysis on the Bolero please...you will come to know that Chopin never intended it to be a Polonaise, though the featured recording incorporates Polonaise-like rhythm.

  • @gerardbedecarter
    @gerardbedecarter 2 роки тому +2

    Most interesting.

  • @CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
    @CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji 2 роки тому +2

    34:27 quotation of the last climax from the 4th ballade

  • @CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
    @CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji 2 роки тому +1

    There is an orchestration of the Tarantella by Glazunov in his 'Chopiniana'.

  • @MusicHavenSG
    @MusicHavenSG Рік тому +2

    Thanks for sharing some of his rare works!

  • @squalllionheart8850
    @squalllionheart8850 2 роки тому +2

    Could you upload the third part? Thank you so much for your incredible recopilation.

  • @mateuszkozieja7537
    @mateuszkozieja7537 2 роки тому +3

    Allegro de Concerto sometimes sounds to me similarly actually to Chopin piano concerto no 1

  • @robertwalker2052
    @robertwalker2052 2 роки тому +4

    How many codas can a piece have? The "Concerto" seemed to be made of them.

  • @andresgunther
    @andresgunther 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for posting these. I only knew the "Tarantelle" (have it performed by Rubinstein). Being on the lookout for out of the mainstream works I truly appreciate this!

    • @arlettehellemans2117
      @arlettehellemans2117 2 роки тому

      I am 81, listened my whole to classical music and now all those "mainstream works" make me sick. The most recent CD's of Cyprien Katsaris are very original: Polonaises of others than Chopin/ works of composers around Chopin/Mozart "Don Giovanni" revisited. He knows what good music is like...

  • @jgamez5023
    @jgamez5023 2 роки тому +1

    This is wonderful, thank you !

  • @myronw6436
    @myronw6436 2 роки тому +3

    What about sonata no 1 in c minor?

  • @fortetwomusic
    @fortetwomusic 2 роки тому +1

    This is a really neat series! You've also picked many of my favorite performances of the pieces.

  • @argi0774
    @argi0774 Рік тому +1

    Relatively decent writing. Most composers are writing like they even can't hold a pen

  • @MidnightAvalon
    @MidnightAvalon 2 роки тому +2

    I hope his flute piece is in part 3.
    Yes there is a Chopin flute piece.

    • @douwemusic
      @douwemusic Рік тому +1

      Although it's been debated whether it's truly by Chopin

  • @Piflaser
    @Piflaser Рік тому +1

    Why are this pieces not preformed? And who has given them their final form?

  • @arlettehellemans2117
    @arlettehellemans2117 2 роки тому +1

    Prachtinitiatief!

  • @underscoreellipsesdothyphe1563
    @underscoreellipsesdothyphe1563 2 роки тому +2

    At least its legible unlike Beethovens lol

  • @erika6651
    @erika6651 Рік тому

    Why is every performance of the Bolero blasted through? This one wasn't as bad as others. I know the piece isn't one of his best, but it would probably sound better if it wasn't so damned rushed.