General Election 2024: Do Reform's figures add up?
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Sky's Ed Conway analyses whether Reform's manifesto spending plans add up after they set out the party's pledges in South Wales ahead of the general election on 4 July.
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Sky News mathematician 😂 persuaded me to Vote Reform 👍
Don’t they say the Labour, LibDem, and Green manifestos don’t add up as well?
@@jujutrini8412 Probably not but even if they have, I bet they haven't pulled it apart like they have done with Reform.
Out of intrest in what way
@@jujutrini8412 Nah, they said Labour's added up.
@@boulevard14 Blairite thinktank says Blairite numbers add up. Shocker.
The moral of this is simple-
Don’t ask the owner of Burger King what he thinks of the new McDonald’s burger.
I previously worked as a civil servant, and encountered many people working £30k+ jobs that weren't even worth £15k, and badly, I might add. Reform could easily achive their budget goals by cutting the vastly over inflated civil service down to size
That is good to hear. I'm totally sick of people who work in the public sector that actually defend the goings on or won't admit to the waste and inefficiencies.
@user-yb9ww6lv7j I agree. The waste and incompetence I witnessed in that job was the push I needed to finally change career. I'm now working a productive job in manufacturing, actually contributing to the economy, and I'm much happier for it.
@@rosscobossco1229 The problem is that they would not sack the ones that are most incompetent at the job. They would keep the ones who have the best networks in the civil service! I know because I also have experience in this field. From my experience there are always one or two extremely hard workers who take the job very seriously, then there’s the average workers who do what is necessary then there’s the ones that take the living p*ss! Unfortunately many of the ones that take the p*ss tend to go back to some kind of networking or social attachment to the management.
I used to work in the civil service. 50% of the people employed are unnecessary, and could not get a job where they actually had to do things on time and properly.
Hello bots
One question I have is that how much actual money can be saved by cutting all those training and positions related to DEI and ESG...
probably a net loss since the amount any employee pays in taxes through their wort far eclipses training costs
When I worked for HMRC in Bristol the strip light above my desk failed.
I was not allowed to change the bulb. Had to report it to my line manager. She was on holiday for a week.
On return she told the building manager.
He in turn took a week to tell the landlord.
The landlord had engaged a maintenance firm in Lichfield.
They did not come.
So after 3 weeks I reported it again.
Then again.
Eventually,after 14 weeks, two men came the 130 miles from Lichfield and replaced the bulb.
I could have got a new bulb from the hardware shop across the road for £16.
HMRC was charged £185 for the call out. £35 for travel expenses. And £52 for the bulb .
And it took 14 weeks
Meanwhile I worked in semi darkness
@@stephfoxwell4620 Yep I work for a company that does lots of public sector work. The public sector is mind bogglingly wasteful.
@@annarichardson7794 I worked for Tesco and i still got the photo from this, the air fan in the chiller failed. The roof panel cracked open. So they called out a repair mam. It was a woman of colour, could barely speak english. Her solution was to use duct tape to hold the fan up. I still have the photo to this day because, when i tell people, they go "bullshit." I show them the roof pic and they go "what the actual f...!?"
Month later there was a fire in the chiller. The duct tape caught fire from an exposed wire, cost thousands of pounds for repairs
@@xaiano794 their tax isnt more than their salary though hahaha
Vote Reform people, a small step in the right direction
Yep. Like standing on the cliffs of Dover and taking one little step east.
Big step in the right direction
*in the far right direction.
Unless they go harder on the policies though it won't stop the islamization of britain
@@joellemm9229 really ? What is far right? Anything not far left ?
Sky are now the experts 😂😂😂😂
Anyone is an expert compared to deform uk. Even the dogs on the street are experts compared to them.
To see either labour or conservative, given their record of balancing budgets, accuse each other or anyone else of having 'their sums not add up' is like receiving lessons on modesty & responsibility from Katie Price.
No one should ever take lessons from LabCon on anything.
Will Reform be any different. Probably not. But increasingly people are looking at the decay surrounding them & thinking 'what have I got to lose at this stage'
@@Nick-io9uk what have I got to lose at this stage with reform? A lot of
Vote Reform and save England.
England is cooked hahaha
It's not rocket science. Everyone who works in these sectors can point out all the wasteful parts of their departments which are a dead weight loss. 1 in 10 employees could be sacked, and all that would happen is productivity would be improved. That's how much dead weight has been allowed to work in these sectors.
So mass unemployment - that’ll help the economy…
@@alexfielding8411 It will. Some people only cause more damage than they're worth.
@@alexfielding8411 Maybe they can do all those essential doctor and engineer jobs we are told desperately need to be filled by 1mn+ immigrants per year.
50% more like.. there's no need for soo many people to do 1 job maybe 3 or 4 and consult once every now and then to a team and government positions should be min wage or voluntary positions.. tax came about due to a war!! So why is it now 90% of our money that ends up on tax and vat....
@@annarichardson7794 As an engineer myself, that is part of the problem. Just because someone has a piece of paper that says they're a welder, doesn't mean they are.
VOTING REFORM…thanks sky
Short answer - no. Every government that says they’ll cut taxes says they’ll do it by cutting spending and waste. Then they get into power and realises they can’t do it.
they flat out lie because they'll never get in power
Getting rid of gender ideology at school is a priority. Shouldn't be based on making profits but recharging sanity and positivity. A seed of productive scholars and research academic
Perhaps no one has had the kahonies.
@@ssuwandi3240what's gender ideology?
@@ssuwandi3240you think the most important thing our country needs is a school lesson?
Don’t care what the figures say reform still get my vote because it doesn’t matter what the other say they never do it and still end up spending billions and billions let’s run through their figures and labours last time they were in power …..time for change
Yep Reform WILL do what they say.
Reform UK is the best party as of right now
What a sad indictment
@chrislees8951 not particularly, reforms got some good policies and nigel says stuff how he and the public sees it
Yep
@@chrislees8951 Keep watching Sky news Einstein😂
@@chaphidoesstuff I don't really agree with him in a lot of aspects, but he is able to connect with a lot of people who are whipped up by his words against certain policies and using the failings of the tory party and their fail of Brexit to gain himself extra support.
in all honesty their policies may seem good, but to implement them I do not think he would be able to do... its like offering unicorns to people, but he can say and do these things because he knows he will not get into that position, then he can point and blame and laugh all he wants because no one will ever know how his policy would turn out. most people know it would not help in any meaningful way.
One major flaw in Sky's logic is in the exemptions, for example yes Nigel wants to increase Defense spending, but that doesn't mean he isn't willing to cut the waste out of it. There is no part of the 1 trillion that would be exempt from the 5 percent cut in wasteful spending. It's wasteful spending, it doesn't matter what sector it's in, it doesn't belong and can be cut. And the Banking part, yes some other places might be doing it differently, giving away more money to the Big Banks and clawing back less, but that doesn't mean that Nigel will do it the same way, he's going to do it a better way, as he clearly outlined, as he's already demonstrated he isn't afraid to take on the big banks, and when he does he wins. A vote for Reform is a vote for the working man and not the big banks!
A long winded waste of space. Just like Oswald.
NIGEL FOR PM
5% cut across Government spending - laughable
I know there's so much more to get
It's very low tbh. Easy get 20%
Start small, they can increase it later
Every single civil servant Ive ever met has a completely redundant role and spends all day on teams meetings discussing agendas and slide decks for future teams meetings. Agree 5% is laughable. Somebody call Elon Musk let's see if we can get a repeat of his Twitter takeover.
Laughable definitely the “gold plated” pensions that are funnelling millions in council tax, definitely persuaded me to vote Reform👍
They can promise any old nonsense because they'll never have to implement them.
Labour are talking a load of nonsense and they sadly will probably get in.
Exactly, then he will laugh when others fail knowing that his will never be as scrutinized.
so in other words.....its pure fantasy..
No. It's just establishment wef puppets sly desperately trying to remove opposition to their beloved liebour party
a £30B gap on a £150B pledge is fantasy? they got 80% of the way there even by skys estimates.
@@ashdabash3Yes, that’s an enormous amount of spending to be unfunded. That was also noticed just from a cursory glance at Reforms figures, it’s likely much larger once fully analysed. The whole in the Liz Truss budget was £45m so we’re in a similar ball park and look at the damage that caused to the economy.
So it is fantasy economics and also very irresponsible were they a park who actually stood a chance of being elected. Luckily they don’t
The damage was triggered by BOE flip flopping on the Gilts benchmark projection. This time Nigel should be upfront with the expected hole.
@@ssuwandi3240 So how is the expected hole being filled? We can’t borrow and he’s already cutting budgets. Sounds like he’ll backtrack on some of his promises such as tax cuts or he simply won’t have the funds needed
At least they are spending the money on the people and the good of the people 😊
Does anyone still want to vote reform
Yes Vote Reform we need a big change in the country
absolutley
Yes thousands of us , RED Sky wont change our minds.
@@Urko2005wow! Thousands!
Vote Reform
I am not a bot!!!
Well that makes a change.
And look at the state brexit made the man is a con
Thankfully it doesn’t matter what Reform’s “Contract with the People” is because most people aren’t daft enough to be conned into voting for them.
True, I still voting for one of the two, but as much as I can't stand the Farage guy, he is making this election more watch worthy. Many still say his party might not even get an MP in and by splitting the Tory vote we may see even more LibDems and possibly a few more Greens. Remember, he has FAILED before and before.....
The short answer is no. The long answer is no
Is that a no then?
He actually said the short answer is yes and the long answer is kind of
Vote Reform 🇬🇧
The breakdown of the labour manifesto must be why they are dropping in the polls over the past 2 weeks.
Change the Norm Vote Reform
If the news ever tell me to NOT vote for someone, I'm more inclined to vote for them.
All they pointed out is the flaws in the manifesto. It's your up to your discretion to use that information to make a choice. At what point did they say not to vote for them?
@@alpbridges3553 it's the little voice in their head. It's worrying really.
@@alpbridges3553 they are just contrarians who will vote for anything or anyone they think will damage the exisring system, same as trump
@@alpbridges3553 With hypotheticals on the back of an envelope
Can anyone honestly say does the Labour or Conservative numbers ever add up! Doubt it.
Time for change time for reform
Absolutely 👍🏻
Vote Reform get Truss 2.0
Farage on the Truss mini budget: "best manifesto since 1986"
Reform are poisonous racists.
It's mental that Sky aren't just running a 5 minute laugh track.
Torries & Labour are talking about a £12 billion saving & that's hard, these jokers say £50 billion & it's not being laughed out the studio.
Are they going to cut net zero, the interest the Bank of England charges for the funny money they have printed?
The bloated public sector that gives very little in return.
The UK gov spent 1.2 trillion last year as estimated by the IFS. 50bn would be a 4% saving, (and thats by the end of the next 5 year parliament) - with the right will that is extremely easily achievable.
Yes, Wishy has delayed Net Zero so let's make up the shortages in goods and services
I’m going to vote reform.
There is one born every day.
Good. Split the right wing vote and make a Labour government more likely! I approve.
Luckily for Nigel Reform voters can’t do maths
Diane Abbot anyone?
@satch7123 Grant Shapps anyone?
they (Sky) havent accounted for the economic boom that would ensue with removal of red tape and tax incentives, that will ultimately raise revenue. It assumes that nothing will grow or change and continue stagnation and decline
Vote reform uk and drain the swamp 👍🏻
The problem is not the ability to cut expenditure, but the "un civil service" resistance or outright refusal to cooperate.
Politics should be boring and leadership should be headed by the smartest of people, the economy is way way more complex than the average voter's perception, and thats why a great policy for labour to implement would be to introduce political education but in a non biased manner by instead teaching folks how to research instead. Plus journalism as a subject which also includes the investigative side most predominately, the amount of daily mail, the sun brainwashing there is, its mad, people need to learn how to think for themselves and know how to fact check sources.
It doesn't really matter. The system is rigged for the two main parties ( one party). But the more opposition the nation gets in seats against them , the better for all of us
facts
I'll look back at this when Reform either replace the Tories or Farage morphs the Tories into what is basically Reform
@@lparry9004 I will leave it up :)
Accuses reform of "'making up the numbers" by making up a whole lot of new numbers.. then using the new numbers to bash them? 🤷🏻♂️
Exactly.
And the numbers they are making up are like the numbers in the missing dollar riddle - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_dollar_riddle
yeah nice try im still not voting labour or tory
OOOOOOOOOOOH😮
go green or lib dem then mate
Great argument there mate 👍
Labour is the only one that can get the nhs Back they done. It before they can do it again,they need calm respect That starmer will give ,
@lesleylamy Any chance u could edit that plz, I drunk comment sometimes too
Vote reform, hit the like if your going to. 👍🏻
I hit the dislike button 5 times
I've now broken my dislike button.
Fear not, Christ stands AGAINST REFORM...
Reform are poisonous racists.
What's to like about losing our Human rights and the NHS?
While I appreciate his dive into the budget figures, he ignores one very obvious thing…Reform UK can adjust things to counterbalance whatever shortfall arises if they come short on the ‘Savings’ side. For example: Instead of raising the tax threshold to £20,000 they could raise it to £17,500…instead of inheritance tax threshold of £2m set it at £1.5m…Stamp Duty £850k, etc.
And both of Reform’s “Net Zero” plans are massively beneficial…and entirely achievable. “Net Zero Carbon” is utter stupidity and economically disastrous…and getting population/immigration stabilized near “net zero” is an incredibly positive shift. Population has exploded in the UK…and it’s devastating with ripples throughout the entire economy and society.
Some of the policies are specifically designed on reducing other spending eg tax threshold take millions out of tax altogether and therefore cuts in-work benefits and allows massive HMRC job cuts. Tax credits on health insurance is designed to reduce NHS spending.
Welfare is currently £240bn and NHS is £180bn as just 2 examples...how much could actually be saved from these budgets with such policies?
As long as it stops the uniparty getting in, I don't care.
To be honest, I do like the animations, they are professional
I've started blocking any refuk video's, I'm sick of the press and their new puppy on every program. wont be long before they get bored...but the damage will be done. the press should not be biased!
Unfortunately most of our newspapers are owned by right wing moguls
Love your name for them! I call them the deform company!!!
@@gillianpope9039 I like yours too!
Definitely not a bias individual yourself
@brotherhao4225 I'm voting labour, but what that has to do with the press fawning over the tory psychodrama, which is biased, I don't know?
I've never voted before. I'll be voting Reform.
Reform will win outright.
Sky don’t want reform so will pick holes in it as much as possible. That’s what we really need to know.
The manifesto is threadbare Farage is the king of broken promises
@@MajorCharlesCarringtonV.CNever been voted in to break a promise???
@@yedann5457🤦♂️
@@yedann5457 he won with brexit and THE NEXT DAY admitted it had all been lies
No he didn't @xaiano794
Farage couldn’t run a bath
he ran baths perfectly well in im a celeb so youve got that wrong
That from the great unwashed..lefty
And KS & RS can ? 🤣🤦
This presentation is total bullshit. Government spending is not financed by tax revenue. It’s financed by Government Bonds. Tax revenues are deleted, not used to fund public services. Tax serves several purposes, it is used an instrument to control the money supply in the economy
, that is to stimulate by reducing taxes or increasing them to try and combat inflation. It also adds value to the sovereign currency and of course, surprise, surprise it is used as a form of coercion, oppressive control over its own citizens. It is a totally false narrative that tax revenue funds the public spend. Politicians are either deeply ignorant of the fact, or they are just plain lying to a gullible & ignorant electorate.
Reform should go reform themselves before trying to rule our country.
They already have reformed, from Ukip to Brexit Party to try and cover up our shady past with a contract wrote with crayons.
After seeing Sky news say this? I’m definitely sticking with reform
I back reform
Important information.
Why though?
I don't. I can spot a narcissistic grifting populist bullshitter from a mile away
@@a.l.rockliffe I know right
Reform voters don't like the people having basic human rights, why vote reform, please do tell...without resorting to a catchy slogan or soundbite...I'll not hold my breath...
Vote reform
Short answer no, long answer noooooo
Vote for Reform. Vote for Nigel Farage❤
NEVER
Reform is a breath of fresh air and hope.
Utter crap from reform as to be expected
No more than the other parties then .
@@cliveo3 I suppose
150 billion extra spending 😅 i mean its not even funny is it. Its rhe whole bus and brexit thing 😂 and there will be idiots that believe 5his and vote for it.
And when did the Tories or Labour tell us the truth about money. Most of tax payers wasted money went into their off shore bank accounts as they are tax dodgers. So yes I will be voting REFORM its the end to waste that impressed me,
NHS spending is up by £500m per week since 2016
@@AndySurtees so are backlogs and waiting lists, wheres the 40 new hospitals?
It’s almost as though we had 1.2 million immigrants overwhelm the NHS in 2023 …..
@@TheLuckyLeif1021 over 250,000 of our NHS staff are immigrants 😏
if only reform voters could read...
If only Labour voters could think.
If only Labour voters could remember the past. 😂
@@NoWindNoSunNoPowerif only reform supporters would realise they are getting nowhere near power stop dreaming
@@NoWindNoSunNoPower They don't like thinking, they like being told what to think.
@@NoWindNoSunNoPower Unfortunately there is more chance of us getting a unicorn each than that .
I'm skeptical of the £50bn from cutting waste, but I don't doubt there'd be some savings we could make, undoubtedly must be some waste in the system
I'm happy enough with it.
Doesn't take much eh?
They must be pishing themselves watching this back. "They even did graphs for us! Graphs within graphs! Like Inception!"
I can think of at least three areas where huge cuts in unnecessary and wasteful spending could be made without affecting citizens welfare and living standards, but I dare not mention them because of the censor. People who've had their eye on the ball and have some common sense can guess what they are. There is always opposition to such cuts, so they would have to be pushed through with utter ruthlessness.
Woke projects, wind turbines, DEI, dinghies, hotels for dinghies, benefits for dinghies, legal system for dinghies, for starters.
@@caribstu Re-arming foreign armies is another.
@@bernardedwards8461 So your Pro Putin? Yup... sounds about right for a Reform voter.
No. They're more illiterate than Liz Truss, and I didn't think it were possible.
Msm trying there very hardest to sway people away from reform but its doing the opposite. Vote reform
They are not giveaways - they are just suggesting allowing people to keep more of their own money
Sounds great
The elites in control of everything won’t like it.
Immediately trashed it by saying it doesn’t add up.
Public are not buying it!
Vote Reform
Especially the super rich.
@@stephfoxwell4620 Raising the tax bands helps the poor far more than the rich.
@@fl-ri- Any money"given" to the poor finds it's way to the rich.
The rich own all the assets.
@@stephfoxwell4620 it's not being "given" it's just not being taken in the first place.
By your line of reasoning poor people shouldn't have any money at all because oh no they may buy something and make the rich richer
Reform
5 yrs time all this figures will be different . Should be more worried about labour and conservative sums . They don’t add up .
Yeah. Labour are confident to win.They just threw them out there to look as if they've got policies and to distract the gullible. After they've been in the people who are attacking Reform will have eaten humble pie. And they'll all regret putting Starmar in power
I think most reform voters will be worse off financially- less benefits, less government spending, and won't benefits. from higher tax brackets and less capital gains tax
The idea is to get people off benefits and into work.?
@@CarlEveriss yes, that's the concept. However, what MM is trying to imply, that Reform voters are uneducated and unemployed. It's the same tediously dull ad hominem the likes of MM hurled at Brexit LEAVE voters. What's interesting is how they love to tell us all why we voted, and what we voted for, and how we're all filled with regret, which is a remarkable level of arrogance by a people who've never actually stopped to listen to us. Anyway... best leave them to it. They're an ilk who fail to understand such bigotry only serves to reflect badly on themselves
@@CarlEveriss that would be ideal…
what can be worse than now? Only Liebour VOTE REFORM
@@caribstu The same adhoms were said of Leave voters, and they were correct.
I’d vote reform just on the 20k standard allowance. Litteraly helps everyone
I'm voting for them, this is a Tory stronghold though. Get the ball rolling
Vote reform 🎉
Reform are poisonous racists.
As your graph clearly shows Reform UK for change
I highly doubt adding things up is that important to your average reform voters.
Because for Tory and Labour voters it is? If that were the case no one would have ever voted for either of them.
I’ll certainly be voting for reform 👍
Its all an academic exercise anyway, he won't win.😂😂
None of the manifestos make sense. We have a national debt of £2.7 trillion, a currect account deficit of £89 billion and a trade deficit of £33 billion (on latest available figures). There is no money. There will have to be significant tax rises and spending cuts, just to balance the books, let alone cut the national debt and improve services.
When have we been able to reverse national debt? Doesn't every country have staggering national debt?
I listen to all the articles saying Labour will be voted in and then I read all the comments that have enthusiastic reform voters, 4th of July is going to be a late night watching the results come in
Nice try, Reform is 100% getting my vote.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Vote reform 🇬🇧👍🏻
That is numberwang
"Sensible policies for a happier Britain"
sky should do one of tthese for the greens so everyone can see how plausible it actually is, its on more steady ground than reforms
Sky news a comedy classic.....
Vote Reform - a vote for the rich people having more money whilst the country crumbles....
Yes, partly due to migration
The country is already crumbling
Exact opposite !!
Get rid of pya rises for politcians expenses etc that would save 50 billion easy
No one in the comments is actually disputing this guy's calculations, it's all just personal attacks and vague counterarguments, no real disagreement.
Sly news are getting worried their lovey trendies from the dinner parties are going to get ousted.
Free unicorn for reform voters, and power boat, and private jet, and the legal illegal immigrants will come and do your garden for ya, for free, cos that's all they're good for......etc, etc...
Lol
So they can rely on your vote?
Does this matter ? it's a vote for change, British people have had enough.
Yip. Vote Reform 🇬🇧
Reform would scrap the NHS. Thus meaning zero NHS waiting times and they get the money to give...sorry...give back 😂😂😂
I find it so stupid they are scrapping a system that has worked since 1945, and only coming under stress from other factors
To add, those with less income won’t benefit if private healthcare was accelerated, because the higher class can pay for private healthcare. If both the NHS and private healthcare had the same quality, the higher class would just take free NHS, and then more pressure on the NHS again
Either way, half of the population would struggle 😂
They literally said they would use the private sector to back up the NHS, including giving free vouchers to private consultations...
VOTE REFORM 🇬🇧 WHAT HAVE WE GOT TO LOSE IN PUTTING FAITH IN SOMETHING RADICAL...🇬🇧
Our entire economy being put into special measures by the IMF 🙃
LOL... no thanks. I'm not putting me or my family's futures in the hands of a known liar and this ridiculous manifesto of pledges that simply don't add up.
Loose your human rights
@@Anduril1974 Best not vote at all then 😆😆
Vote 🗳 dolphin 🐬!!!!
Sky just make up there own figures.
The lefty smear campaign is in full swing
“Well, sort of” great journalism sky
Shows ins and outs...then changes the figures to suit their agenda
Literally. And people are eating it up.
Farage should be our next PM. The country would be a better place.
Free milkshakes for all
Not for Nige though, I hear he is not a fan
@@SkidM3rksYes he is. I saw him holding one and saying his “milkshake brings all the people to the rally” 😂👍
@@ifunanya24 That was a different kind of shake, the non dairy variety
Nigel for prime minister🤡🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🥴🥱
Brexit actully made houses more affordable as house prices were pushed down. Source: Remainers... They said that brexit would crash the housing market.
Really? Perhaps more affordable to foreign investors as the pound was weakened, but I cant see any enhanced affordability for those unfortunate enough to be buying in sterling.
Its one of the supposed 'boons' of brexit. Record FDI...otherwise known as becoming tenants in your own country.
Independence from the EU...just to hand it straight over to foreign capital.
The only government figures that add up are their wages and expenses