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Yep, got one of these this Week. Even though I do not live at the address anymore but still own the home. This is because I have cancer and mobility issues so have moved in with my parents. I have told them the property is empty and still they threaten with those stupid letters.
Dear TVL, I am writing to inform you that this property is legally licence free and instead of paying for an unwanted and unneeded licence I have been buying more legally kept Samurai swords and working Antique firearms. Yours sincerely, Mr A. Nutter 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I stopped watching/recording live TV (and using iPlayer) about 5 years ago. It was only 2 years ago that I finally cancelled the licence. I'd been very nervous about doing it, as I thought there was a good chance I'd get prosecuted, even though I actually didn't need a licence, or get constant hassle from the goons. It was Chilli's videos that gave the confidence do to it. Many thanks, mate. (My only regret is that I didn't bin it off sooner.)
We’ve just cancelled our TV licence today . We only watch catch up services, UA-cam and Disney+ and with one of your recent videos informing that the licence fee is going up we thought, “Why are we paying this?” Thanks for all your videos with the information that people need to see. I’ll let you know how quick we get a sales person at our door. Don’t worry, I know not to say anything and my wife also knows that they cannot come in and not to talk to them.
Welcome to the club. Now keep a running total of how much you have saved, and how much you cost the BBC in postage letters, free fire lighters, ....Every little helps.
The law states you are innocent until proven guilty. But it's the opposite of TV Licensing and the BBC. They seem to think You are Guilty until proven innocent.
Yeah... To be fair TVL isn't the only thing where this sort of assumption is made. There's a little known company called HMRC that can state pretty much anything to a court, and you better be bloody well sure that you're 100% innocent of EVERYTHING they claim. AND can prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. In triplicate. Else you will be deemed to be guilty because you can't prove you're innocent.
My daughter received a letter from the TV license people saying they watched this and that in specific rooms of the house. Weird, she wasn't even in the house, she was here at home as it was the Christmas break and in fact, there wasn't a single person in the house at the time they said. She got really scarred and I was like "ignore them" and sat and had a conversation with her about the tactics they use. She was like "how is this even legal?" - I had to then explain how ruthless they and now she can relax. It is truly awful how they treat people and this really needs to stop.
They have no way of telling what anybody watches at any time at all. There is no way for them to find out this information unless you invite then in, you foolishly admit to anything, and even more foolishly, sign anything. Just close the door with a polite but firm 'No thank you'. Nothing could be easier.
Any other corporation using this level of harassment would be ALL over the news channels...they are all complicit in this, the mainstream channels, I have seen no reporting on this insidious and troubling behaviour on any one of them.
i canceled my tv licence after watching a lot of your videos. i only use my tv for youtube, netflix, disney plus or i am on the playstation. thank you ChilliJonCarne :)
I've received every variation of the TVL threatogram, I don't even open the envelope these days. I would laugh, but I can imagine how terrifying these letters may seem to the most vulnerable people in our society. The wording is devious in so far as what they say COULD happen may be technically correct (e.g. they can APPLY for a warrant, BUT NOT without sufficient evidence) and their intent is to instil fear. If any other 'reputable' organization adopted these methods, it would be a scandal.
Ha ha, like it! I was planning to just say "no thanks" and shut the door if/when I get a visit, but I like your strategy better. Make them feel uncomfortable. They couldn't give a stuff about us, so why should we care about their feelings?
INTERVIEW YOU UNDER CAUTION. Let us remind ourselves of the CAUTION. "You do not have to say anything " ....... So don't. Close the door having said nothing.
If anyone else acted like they do they would be reported to the police for harassment. Maybe that's what everyone who gets these types of letters should send them to the police.
I made a no licence declaration and they ignored it and kept sending me letters. I have now received 20 of them in 2 years. I will never buy a TV licence and I have no intention of ever buying one. I use Amazon Prime and Netflix. Interestingly I recently was away on business and I stayed in a hotel with a TV in the room. I refreshed my knowledge of BBC and god was it crap. It just reinforced my opinion of not watching it. If the licence was free I still wouldn't watch it.
I have had exactly the same experience with the constant threatening letters, also at the hotel thinking to myself, “I’m glad I’m not paying for this rubbish at home”.
Just had a scary letter Red envelope,scared!! Keep sending letters told them didn't need one still averaging letter every 2 mths,so not bothering to tell them next time,thanks for giving me the confidence to cancel 2yrs free yah!!
These letters should have a line right at the top in bold letters saying 'Please ignore this letter if you don't watch or record live television or use iplayer'.
Had that same letter just last week and on two previous occasions and I'm still waiting for a goon to knock on my door. Trouble is, the government allow them to send this type of threat 'O' grams.
They shouldn't be allowed to do this, it's straight up harassment! I can imagine it could tip some vulnerable people over the edge. It's off the scale inappropriate.
I cancelled my TV licence a few months ago. I actually commented on one of your videos. I even got a letter saying they'd contact me in a couple of years to see if anything has changed. A few weeks ago I got a visit. He said your licence has run out so I'm just going to fill out a new direct debit form for you. I said no, I don't need one. He was shocked! I'm autistic and suffer from severe anxiety. I came in and called them up telling them about having cancelled months before and got told 'oh there was a mistake, I'll make sure that everything gets sorted' Well just over a week ago I got one of those very threatening letters. I phoned up again and the lady said they'd not completed the cancellation and that she'd send me a cancellation letter. I asked for her name which she gave me and a reference number. I still haven't received the letter. An elderly neighbour who doesn't own a TV was very distressed when she got the exact same letter the next day. She's waiting for a visit and was talking about having to let them in her house. I told her everything I've learned from your videos. Its disgusting to frighten the elderly this way!
That doesn't work, but will make you feel better. None of these gets returned as TVL have a system with the PO to not return these letters, but discard. Best if you send to your MP asking why they are permitting harassment. Explain how they are impacting on your mental health (nice big tick!) and to keep you informed of your queries progress as they investigate.
And as a non funder I don't mind them wasting as much money as they can trying to sell me something I don't want or require all the more the merrier plus send the boys round as while they are at mine not getting a sale they are not bothering a lone woman or aged person
I moved into my 1st flat in 1988, them moved to my own house. And I have never had a TV licence. All of their letters go in the shredder unopened, and I have never had a problem. I had a visit at the flat in the 1st year, I never spoke to them, just closed the door, they didn’t call again. I had a visit at my house in the 1st year, same agin I just closed the door and 30 years later haven’t seen them since. Never communicate with them in any shape or form. my address is on their mailing list but they have no idea if my property is empty or occupied or even if I exist.
I like it when Jon gets a little "animated"... Good job bruva.I think my 2yrs of not paying for a uneeded TV licence is up the end of this month and may just phone them after 1 reminder to tell them I don't require one still👍.Capita can find another door.Why would I want to keep Capita gainfully employed by ignoring letters?
The TV Licence MAFIA can effing do one... 5 years licence free here and I never bothered to call them to cancel. Don't have to. Actually that comment was a little unfair: at least the actual mafia made some good films.
I got one of these yesterday, hilarious. Even if they do get a warrant, unlikely, you have to be in and answer the door for them to be able to enter. They can't pick your lock and enter.
@@MikeEves Not true. I've seen the police threaten to arrest the occupier for obstruction if they don't allow the goon in after he'd shown the warrant at the door. Baz is correct, they won't force entry at a closed door.
@@stevegee8010 Unless you know who the person is, don't open the door, or keep the chain on. They would then have to execute a forced entry if they saw fit to do so.
@@brimkathstampex2306 I don't keep batteries in my doorbell unless I'm expecting someone, so I've no idea if and when strangers are even at the door. Also has the benefit of making the batteries last a lot longer.
@@brimkathstampex2306 The good thing about a forced entry is that if they're wrong they have to pay damages. The police also have to pay damages if they force entry and find no proof of wrongdoing which is why the police won't back Capita up if they want to force entry🤣🤣🤣
If I get a letter addressed to "The Occupier" I check the postcode, if it is unwanted, such as TVL, I put "not known at this address" or "gone away" - "Return to sender"
Don’t return the letters, each letter and envelope has identifying codes and marks that tie to your address, so if you send them back it will flag up on their radar that someone is living at your property. Put them in the bin or shredder, never communicate with them in any shape or form and stay under their radar. I have been living in my own place for 35 years and never had a licence, I’ve had 2 visits in the 1st 10 years to which I just closed the door and haven’t had one since, i shred all of their letters without opening them. My address is on their mailing list for the letters but They don’t know if my address is empty or occupied or even if I exist. It is the same as spam texts or emails, if you reply it will flag up that they have found a real person and it will trigger the sending of more spam emails and texts.
@@robg521 100% with you on this, say nothing do nothing is the best way to deal with the scum. All these doorstep debates/withdrawals of implied access, returning of threatening letters and aggressive attitude to the goons if they call only encourages them and helps them to get a warrant
Our sons just had a letter saying just that .he knows it's not going to happen if and when they come .lock your gates ,dont answer the door .you've broken NO LAW AS YOUR NOT WATCHING TV .
Got one yesterday for a house thats not been built yet. Postman put through my door (New housing development) saying they're "sending the boys round" as no one had responded to their letters. 🤦♂️
Had one of those letters today and went straight in the wood burner along with all the others I’ve received over the last couple of years,like you say who do these goon’s think they are thinking they can intimidate people like they do,I await their knock on the door as always.
I've written to the BBC about these letters! How dare they send these letters only once a week. I want more two a day the price of toilet paper nowadays is ridiculous. So it's a welcome relief to receive a TV licence letter butt BBC letter could be a bit softer and absorb better. So BBC do better by making these letters softer I be sending a couple of used letters back to you BBC so you get the idea!
I’ve had the exact same copies of theses letters many years ago, but I have no idea what’s in the letters that I get now… because they all go straight in the shredder without being opened. 😂
Canceled my tv license over 2 years, received all the threatening letters of a visit, ignored them all, and threw them in the bin. The letters they send out are quite intimidating and play on people's fear of a knock on the door from them. Even people who genuinely don't need a tv license will buy one out of fear of being prosecuted for not having a license. If you don't watch any live tv broadcasts from any recognized broadcasters, you don't need a tv license. If tv licensing sends you letters saying you do, just ignore them, if you receive a visit from them politely say no I don't need one, and close the door. Don't enter into a conversation with them.
I think they put "legal occupier" because if they put your name and you open the letter then you can invoice them for a consultancy Fee if you dont need a licence, Get their address and invoice them for your waist of time opening the letter 1 hour minimum ,like a lawyer
It seems like the only reason they get away with it is because these letters are only classed as "slightly misleading" and not "entirely misleading" according to BlackBeltBarrister.
shame, you should send them to your MP asking why they are permitting this harassment. Explain the damage and stress its doing to you and to keep you up to date with the progress of your query.
I remember buying a TV in the 1990s from Comet. I was asked to fill out a form for TV Licencing telling them I had TV. Thankfully, this has now stopped.
Bought second hand for Nintendo SNES then N64. I was going to get TV from comet once they did same thing i laughed and walked out without purchase. Got Panasonic plasma from independent shop no worries 2003.
I remember that, I refused and they told me I had to, to which I replied “do you want to sell me the TV to me or not?” They sold me the TV, and I didn’t give out my details or address. 😂
@@robg521 A thought just occurred to me. You opt out for 2 years. After a month, you buy a TV. They get the address and start harrassing you. Have they broken the law?
Your mate BBB just did a really interesting video on that no license needed declaration questionnaire, even he can see how fundamentally flawed the whole thing is
BBB is a rubbish barrister. He suggested the goons can look at your internet history to see if you’ve watched tv that you shouldn’t. How would they know you watched it in your house? Stick with CJC.
I like BBB and can see he's not a TV fan. This issue is as he always comes from a legal perspective using legal speak he often doesn't make much sense..... trying to be concise about a vague set of terms is challenging!
I think in the last 15 years of having no licence I must have seen just about every variation of these begging letters and I'm at the point where if a letter doesn't have my name on it, "return to sender", back in the post box. I include junk mail in this category as well so my postman must hate me when he empties the postbox. I have never had a visit, never signed anything, never spoke to TVL (Capita) and never rung them up....
I had the same letter. i put a small hole on the top corner of the letter. put a string through, and placed by the toilet roll. bonus saved money on loo roll. thanks for your help your doing a great job
I bet the BBC hated the day when fast internet, smart TVs, firesticks, Roku and Chromecasts became widespread. Think of all that revenue gone - and more people seeing the light every month!
In any other circumstances it would be deemed as demanding money with menaces, a protection racket on a par with a bunch of gangsters coming round and saying pay up or else.
Bearing in mind we are looking at a criminal offence, what kind of ACTUAL EVIDENCE is TV Licencing required to produce to meet the standard of proof 'beyond reasonable doubt'? THEY have to prove your guilt; YOU do NOT have to prove your innocence.
John gave me the confidence to cancel mine. But I'd love to know how the BBC can stop you watching all live channels (itv, ch4 etc), but keep the money for themselves.
I've had exactly the same letter , can't wait for them to dare knock ,I did tell them 3 years ago we don't need one but apparently that only lasts so long
Surely by now we must be able to return the gesture and be in a position to send them a threatening letter which has a 'legal' tone about it? Any lawyers out there could come up with an isea?
I moved into a new property, and I don't need a TV licence, as I don't watch 'live' telly, or BBC services. My daughter watches Netflix, Disney+ and her fav UA-camrs, and I download other US shows/films. I never told them, that I live here, and still down as the legal occupier. My last letter was in a red envelope, which scared my elderly mum. I had to reassure her that it's just intimidation tactics.
Just cancelled on behalf of my son who is disabled and doesn't watch live tv. Amongst the statements is "You need a licence if you watch live on streaming services (e.g. All 4, Amazon Prime Video, NOW, ITVX, Sky Go) ". I checked Amazon Prime has started to stream some live programmes, but if you don't watch them you don't need a licence.
After being conned for a TV Licence fee for many many years I just had my refund of £90 after declaring No Licence Needed I fall into the over 60s age group Thankyou Very Much for your channel
Having been recently threatened by a letter just like the one you describe, I do thank you for the reassurance you provide. I am one of countless people who don't use or want a television service, and who are systematically harassed by arrogant, pseudo-official poison pen-letters accusing me of criminal behaviour. My last letter from them had a headline proclaiming in bold print, 'You have 10 days to get correctly licensed.' and said that the 'Enforcement Officer' would appear on a certain date, a date which passed about 2 weeks ago with no one showing up.
People who receive these letters that are not addressed to them personally should be tossed back in the post with "not at this address" written on the outside of the envelope.
That doesn't work, but will make you feel better. None of these gets returned as TVL have a system with the PO to not return these letters, but discard. Best if you send to your MP asking why they are permitting harassment. Explain how they are impacting on your mental health (nice big tick!) and to keep you informed of your queries progress as they investigate.
Apparently this would be no good at all, as the BBC have an agreement with the Royal Mail not to accept these return letters. You'd be better off sending it back in an innocuous looking envelope, handwritten.
my best mates wife let the goons into their house last week. me and him got back to their house in time to see them going through BBC Iplayer's history to prove it hasn't been used which it thankfully hadn't. we kicked them out and hopefully she wont be doing that again.
All these letters are obvious where they are from without opening them. I now write "return to sender" and put them back in the post. Hopefully, they have to pay to receive their own crap back
Good strategy but steam it open first, put something heavy in the envelope like a coaster or thick cardboard, glue it back sealed THEN send it back. They'll pay for the weight of it too.
That doesn't work, but will make you feel better. None of these gets returned as TVL have a system with the PO to not return these letters, but discard. Best if you send to your MP asking why they are permitting harassment. Explain how they are impacting on your mental health (nice big tick!) and to keep you informed of your queries progress as they investigate.
Impossible situation where if you were watching live tv for say 5 years, thats a savings of $1000 by not buying the licence but when caught, you only pay a few hundred to the court unless they can prove you been watching 5 years and then the max is 1000 fine anyway. Cant be enforced and expensive to do so and some are paying while most are not so not equatable.. Here in Aust we just pay a few cents? a day automatically to fund our ABC and i thing thats how the UK will have to do it as people see these videos and realise the goons cant look through their windows or force entry to get evidence and you just close your door...
I received this letter in November, 2019 - I file them all away. Since then I have received many giving 'ten-day warnings', 'will I be in?', 'Investigation escalated', 'investigation in your area', et cetera, warning me of visits from the scary salesmen. So far, since 1972, I have been visited twice, both tens of years ago. 'Who are you?' - 'TV Licensing' - 'No thanks', door closed does the trick. If you do have a salesman visit, keep your thoughts about Jimmy Savile, Gary Linaker, political bias, and the optional nature of this subscription service to yourself. They've heard it all before, it will do no good, and your loose lips may incriminate you, even unintentionally. E.g. "Blah blah Jimmy Savile!" - "Oh really? Did you see him omn Top of the Pops?" - "No mate, I turned to ITV whenever his fizog came on the screen." An admission to watching TV, maybe recorded or witnessed by a second salesman. Whoopee! off to the magistrate for a warrant, or "may we just step inside to clear this up?"
I have been getting these letters for over 20 years! These days, when I see " The Legal Occupier " I don't waste my time opening it. Straight into the bin for recycling
Well Said ... I just don't want the postman making a trip down my path for nothing, I'II wait for the first letter then do the online thing again, If you get a kick from slamming the door fill ya boot's but I don't want the Scumbags near me.. "You do a great Job Mate as always"
I wonder if any of these really wealthy families (stately home types) have ever received a visit from Capita???. Would love to see one of those made in Chelsea types receive a threat from the BBC...I may actually pay to see that lmao
I filled in online no licence needed,I recieved confirmation from tv licence that I wouldn’t hear again for 2 yrs or unless I tell them of any change, since then I recieved 4 of their letters and a salesman calling at my home, I again have contacted them to tell them I’m not a licence needed user and to stop sending me letters and callers of salesmen, I expect to recieve more letters and maybe a salesman calling , now if they do can I pursue a claim of Harrisment ? I have all the emails from them.
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Investigators that don't know if they are investigating a sir or a madam? I wouldn't worry about them.
Yep, got one of these this Week. Even though I do not live at the address anymore but still own the home. This is because I have cancer and mobility issues so have moved in with my parents. I have told them the property is empty and still they threaten with those stupid letters.
Dear TVL,
I am writing to inform you that this property is legally licence free and instead of paying for an unwanted and unneeded licence I have been buying more legally kept Samurai swords and working Antique firearms.
Yours sincerely,
Mr A. Nutter
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I stopped watching/recording live TV (and using iPlayer) about 5 years ago. It was only 2 years ago that I finally cancelled the licence. I'd been very nervous about doing it, as I thought there was a good chance I'd get prosecuted, even though I actually didn't need a licence, or get constant hassle from the goons. It was Chilli's videos that gave the confidence do to it. Many thanks, mate. (My only regret is that I didn't bin it off sooner.)
Same here
And here
6 years and counting licence FREE for me!... Keep up the good fight everyone 💪👊
And another the same
Only 18 months so far & no letters. I’m feeling left out !
They can only interview you, if you stand there and comply, otherwise they're interviewing a door. 😊
Too true.
Good response is, "Oh, don't be standing out there in the rain. Bugger off!"
We’ve just cancelled our TV licence today .
We only watch catch up services, UA-cam and Disney+ and with one of your recent videos informing that the licence fee is going up we thought, “Why are we paying this?”
Thanks for all your videos with the information that people need to see.
I’ll let you know how quick we get a sales person at our door. Don’t worry, I know not to say anything and my wife also knows that they cannot come in and not to talk to them.
Watch your tv, don't worry about it. Whatever you want to watch. Just don't tell them.
Well done 👍
Welcome to the club. Now keep a running total of how much you have saved, and how much you cost the BBC in postage letters, free fire lighters, ....Every little helps.
You won't look back, streaming on demand is the future.
Congrats on saving some cash
And Thankyou for cancelling
Together we can finally get our msg over and get this farce scrapped for good.
Hello Chilli, yes I’ve had that letter last week, I read the letter and then promptly tore it in half and binned it.
i keep all my letters for future as evidence of serial harrassment..
I've had the "As you have not responded to our letters yet", no less than 29 times. 😁
I do not even open them. I send them back to the sender.
@@icdgyixifyinstereo I think that's the best strategy. I've not had any letters yet, but if/when I do, that's what I'll be doing.
Getting used to the colour of the envelope and what the letter inside says without opening the things now
@@icdgyixifyinstereo I keep all the letters as evidence of serial harassment
There is no requirement, legal of otherwise, for anyone to respond to any letters of this nature.
The law states you are innocent until proven guilty.
But it's the opposite of TV Licensing and the BBC. They seem to think You are Guilty until proven innocent.
Unless, not until.
Yeah... To be fair TVL isn't the only thing where this sort of assumption is made. There's a little known company called HMRC that can state pretty much anything to a court, and you better be bloody well sure that you're 100% innocent of EVERYTHING they claim. AND can prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. In triplicate. Else you will be deemed to be guilty because you can't prove you're innocent.
My daughter received a letter from the TV license people saying they watched this and that in specific rooms of the house. Weird, she wasn't even in the house, she was here at home as it was the Christmas break and in fact, there wasn't a single person in the house at the time they said.
She got really scarred and I was like "ignore them" and sat and had a conversation with her about the tactics they use. She was like "how is this even legal?" - I had to then explain how ruthless they and now she can relax.
It is truly awful how they treat people and this really needs to stop.
They have no way of telling what anybody watches at any time at all. There is no way for them to find out this information unless you invite then in, you foolishly admit to anything, and even more foolishly, sign anything. Just close the door with a polite but firm 'No thank you'. Nothing could be easier.
Any other corporation using this level of harassment would be ALL over the news channels...they are all complicit in this, the mainstream channels, I have seen no reporting on this insidious and troubling behaviour on any one of them.
i canceled my tv licence after watching a lot of your videos. i only use my tv for youtube, netflix, disney plus or i am on the playstation. thank you ChilliJonCarne :)
I've received every variation of the TVL threatogram, I don't even open the envelope these days. I would laugh, but I can imagine how terrifying these letters may seem to the most vulnerable people in our society. The wording is devious in so far as what they say COULD happen may be technically correct (e.g. they can APPLY for a warrant, BUT NOT without sufficient evidence) and their intent is to instil fear. If any other 'reputable' organization adopted these methods, it would be a scandal.
At least they no longer make this letter look like a final demand for a utility. I'm assuming somebody told them to knock that off.
I just write on them " RETURN TO SENDER" and repost them . 😆😆😆
I have been tv licence free for 3 yrs now and iam still under investigation
But that's irrelevant as you don't need a licence.
I have a policy of *absolute* silence.
My last goon was gone in 60 seconds. 😁
Same here. That's the way to do it.
Silence is golden.👍
I did that with a goon. Just stare at them, it's hilarious, and they scurry away.
Ha ha, like it! I was planning to just say "no thanks" and shut the door if/when I get a visit, but I like your strategy better. Make them feel uncomfortable. They couldn't give a stuff about us, so why should we care about their feelings?
INTERVIEW YOU UNDER CAUTION. Let us remind ourselves of the CAUTION. "You do not have to say anything " ....... So don't. Close the door having said nothing.
They should be not allowed to do this, but they get backing off the big ones.
If anyone else acted like they do they would be reported to the police for harassment.
Maybe that's what everyone who gets these types of letters should send them to the police.
I made a no licence declaration and they ignored it and kept sending me letters. I have now received 20 of them in 2 years. I will never buy a TV licence and I have no intention of ever buying one. I use Amazon Prime and Netflix. Interestingly I recently was away on business and I stayed in a hotel with a TV in the room. I refreshed my knowledge of BBC and god was it crap. It just reinforced my opinion of not watching it. If the licence was free I still wouldn't watch it.
I have had exactly the same experience with the constant threatening letters, also at the hotel thinking to myself, “I’m glad I’m not paying for this rubbish at home”.
They spend millions on these stupid letters, just proves they don't care about wasting money.
They operate like spammers..... send off thousands with a hope x% respond... it must work as they continue to do it.....
Just had a scary letter Red envelope,scared!!
Keep sending letters told them didn't need one still averaging letter every 2 mths,so not bothering to tell them next time,thanks for giving me the confidence to cancel 2yrs free yah!!
These letters should have a line right at the top in bold letters saying 'Please ignore this letter if you don't watch or record live television or use iplayer'.
Had that same letter just last week and on two previous occasions and I'm still waiting for a goon to knock on my door. Trouble is, the government allow them to send this type of threat 'O' grams.
They shouldn't be allowed to do this, it's straight up harassment!
I can imagine it could tip some vulnerable people over the edge. It's off the scale inappropriate.
Unfortunately it's designed for that purpose and fully supported by parliament.
@@alancrane4693 Yes this has always made sense to me that it's designed to be that way.
The letters are approved by the dim-witted. It's Pipa Doubtfire, she's a moron.
I cancelled my TV licence a few months ago. I actually commented on one of your videos. I even got a letter saying they'd contact me in a couple of years to see if anything has changed.
A few weeks ago I got a visit. He said your licence has run out so I'm just going to fill out a new direct debit form for you. I said no, I don't need one. He was shocked! I'm autistic and suffer from severe anxiety. I came in and called them up telling them about having cancelled months before and got told 'oh there was a mistake, I'll make sure that everything gets sorted'
Well just over a week ago I got one of those very threatening letters. I phoned up again and the lady said they'd not completed the cancellation and that she'd send me a cancellation letter. I asked for her name which she gave me and a reference number. I still haven't received the letter.
An elderly neighbour who doesn't own a TV was very distressed when she got the exact same letter the next day. She's waiting for a visit and was talking about having to let them in her house. I told her everything I've learned from your videos. Its disgusting to frighten the elderly this way!
Waiting for the letters to start coming, think I’ll just bin them without opening them if it’s clearly from them on the envelope.
Had an other one today red with big letters in black on, went straight in bin
I know loads of peoples tvs work without a tv licence 😂
Thank You So much @ChillJonCame now im not scared anymore
It’s disgusting some one needs to take these to court for stress
Thanks Jon. Waiting for the next letter from my new friend 'Scott Robson'. Keeps teasing me but never turns up 😂😂.
Mines from Jane Jeffers
Folks, it is so simple. Keep your front door, and your mouth, Shut! Thank you.
I got a red letter yesterday and did what i always do and that is RTS.
That doesn't work, but will make you feel better. None of these gets returned as TVL have a system with the PO to not return these letters, but discard. Best if you send to your MP asking why they are permitting harassment. Explain how they are impacting on your mental health (nice big tick!) and to keep you informed of your queries progress as they investigate.
Your info and videos did it for me, I gave my licence up at the start of last November. Not frightened by these salesmen anymore!
So when you're at work, obviously your TV is off but they're not satisfied with that.
It gives me great satisfaction that it must be costing tvl a damn fortune on sending out all these threat-o-grams on a daily basis! 😄
And as a non funder I don't mind them wasting as much money as they can trying to sell me something I don't want or require all the more the merrier plus send the boys round as while they are at mine not getting a sale they are not bothering a lone woman or aged person
They'll be passing it on to the people who need and buy a license, though.
£7 million pounds in 2021.
thelegaloccupier1982 : Its not costing TVL anything…..it’s costing the licence payers a fortune.
Keep up the good work for us all
simple fix....any letters ANY letters through the door, just shred, dont reply, knock on your door, say "no thanks" shut the door, thats it
i've been here in my flat for a year....had about 10 letters of all degree.. i haven't or don't need a tv so they get filed... 😁
I moved into my 1st flat in 1988, them moved to my own house. And I have never had a TV licence.
All of their letters go in the shredder unopened, and I have never had a problem.
I had a visit at the flat in the 1st year, I never spoke to them, just closed the door, they didn’t call again.
I had a visit at my house in the 1st year, same agin I just closed the door and 30 years later haven’t seen them since.
Never communicate with them in any shape or form.
my address is on their mailing list but they have no idea if my property is empty or occupied or even if I exist.
I open the letters to confirm that they are from tv licensing, then bin the letters.
I'm waiting for some lawyer to take the letter writer to court for demanding money with menaces
I like it when Jon gets a little "animated"... Good job bruva.I think my 2yrs of not paying for a uneeded TV licence is up the end of this month and may just phone them after 1 reminder to tell them I don't require one still👍.Capita can find another door.Why would I want to keep Capita gainfully employed by ignoring letters?
8 years here 🤣🤣
The TV Licence MAFIA can effing do one... 5 years licence free here and I never bothered to call them to cancel. Don't have to. Actually that comment was a little unfair: at least the actual mafia made some good films.
No need to call them do it online thats what I do every 2yrs alot easier
No requirement to call them after two years it is their rules not law. 😁
I got one of these yesterday, hilarious. Even if they do get a warrant, unlikely, you have to be in and answer the door for them to be able to enter. They can't pick your lock and enter.
They can't enter if you open the door as well. Their BS warrants are meaningless as they require consent, which they don't have.
@@MikeEves Not true. I've seen the police threaten to arrest the occupier for obstruction if they don't allow the goon in after he'd shown the warrant at the door.
Baz is correct, they won't force entry at a closed door.
@@stevegee8010 Unless you know who the person is, don't open the door, or keep the chain on. They would then have to execute a forced entry if they saw fit to do so.
@@brimkathstampex2306 I don't keep batteries in my doorbell unless I'm expecting someone, so I've no idea if and when strangers are even at the door.
Also has the benefit of making the batteries last a lot longer.
@@brimkathstampex2306 The good thing about a forced entry is that if they're wrong they have to pay damages. The police also have to pay damages if they force entry and find no proof of wrongdoing which is why the police won't back Capita up if they want to force entry🤣🤣🤣
If I get a letter addressed to "The Occupier" I check the postcode, if it is unwanted, such as TVL, I put "not known at this address" or "gone away" - "Return to sender"
Don’t return the letters, each letter and envelope has identifying codes and marks that tie to your address, so if you send them back it will flag up on their radar that someone is living at your property.
Put them in the bin or shredder, never communicate with them in any shape or form and stay under their radar.
I have been living in my own place for 35 years and never had a licence, I’ve had 2 visits in the 1st 10 years to which I just closed the door and haven’t had one since,
i shred all of their letters without opening them.
My address is on their mailing list for the letters but They don’t know if my address is empty or occupied or even if I exist.
It is the same as spam texts or emails,
if you reply it will flag up that they have found a real person and it will trigger the sending of more spam emails and texts.
Yes I've had these "occupier" letters, I'm the owner in the literal sense (mortgage free), so I don't know anyone named occupier!
Just ignore them, don't react. Your home is a black hole.
@@robg521TVL have a system with the postoffice where no letters are returned. If you do this they are just discarded... no tracking, no nothing..
@@robg521 100% with you on this, say nothing do nothing is the best way to deal with the scum. All these doorstep debates/withdrawals of implied access, returning of threatening letters and aggressive attitude to the goons if they call only encourages them and helps them to get a warrant
Our sons just had a letter saying just that .he knows it's not going to happen if and when they come .lock your gates ,dont answer the door .you've broken NO LAW AS YOUR NOT WATCHING TV .
If they require a reply they should send a pre paid envelope.
Got one yesterday for a house thats not been built yet. Postman put through my door (New housing development) saying they're "sending the boys round" as no one had responded to their letters. 🤦♂️
Had one of those letters today and went straight in the wood burner along with all the others I’ve received over the last couple of years,like you say who do these goon’s think they are thinking they can intimidate people like they do,I await their knock on the door as always.
*you have left us no alternative* ....... blatantly nasty threatening use of language there.
"You have left us with no alternative... to send you another bluff letter in 28 days time". 🤡 🤡 🤡. I have over 70 letters, it's hilarious 😂
I've written to the BBC about these letters! How dare they send these letters only once a week. I want more two a day the price of toilet paper nowadays is ridiculous. So it's a welcome relief to receive a TV licence letter butt BBC letter could be a bit softer and absorb better. So BBC do better by making these letters softer I be sending a couple of used letters back to you BBC so you get the idea!
I’ve had the exact same copies of theses letters many years ago, but I have no idea what’s in the letters that I get now… because they all go straight in the shredder without being opened. 😂
Just had my monthly threatening red letter. Same here straight into the shredder. Gives me such pleasure.
If you give them a bogus name and signature, you will really waste their time.
I wouldn't - I'd just say "No thanks" and close the door.
Keep chipping at the wood Jon….I wonder how many people stopped the licence last year…
Canceled my tv license over 2 years, received all the threatening letters of a visit, ignored them all, and threw them in the bin.
The letters they send out are quite intimidating and play on people's fear of a knock on the door from them.
Even people who genuinely don't need a tv license will buy one out of fear of being prosecuted for not having a license.
If you don't watch any live tv broadcasts from any recognized broadcasters, you don't need a tv license.
If tv licensing sends you letters saying you do, just ignore them, if you receive a visit from them politely say no I don't need one, and close the door.
Don't enter into a conversation with them.
Shut the door.. Don't even say no thank you...... Chap, chap.. Hello I'm from TV licence.... Shut the door!
I think they put "legal occupier" because if they put your name and you open the letter then you can invoice them for a consultancy Fee if you dont need a licence,
Get their address and invoice them for your waist of time opening the letter 1 hour minimum ,like a lawyer
You’re right. Imagine Netflix writing to you like that. 😂
It seems like the only reason they get away with it is because these letters are only classed as "slightly misleading" and not "entirely misleading" according to BlackBeltBarrister.
I've had three of them over the last two years, they all finish in the same place , the shredder.
shame, you should send them to your MP asking why they are permitting this harassment. Explain the damage and stress its doing to you and to keep you up to date with the progress of your query.
A guy on UA-cam got put away for doing less than these threatening letters from the BBC. Guess it's one law for them another for us.
Can you supply UA-cam details, so I can have a look?
I remember buying a TV in the 1990s from Comet. I was asked to fill out a form for TV Licencing telling them I had TV. Thankfully, this has now stopped.
I was savvy even back then, I used to give the details of somebody in my street I didn't like.
I always given the postcode and number, that's sufficent to identify who has to pay. SW1A 2AA/10 is worth remembering.
Bought second hand for Nintendo SNES then N64. I was going to get TV from comet once they did same thing i laughed and walked out without purchase. Got Panasonic plasma from independent shop no worries 2003.
I remember that, I refused and they told me I had to, to which I replied “do you want to sell me the TV to me or not?”
They sold me the TV, and I didn’t give out my details or address. 😂
@@robg521 A thought just occurred to me. You opt out for 2 years. After a month, you buy a TV. They get the address and start harrassing you. Have they broken the law?
I've had a few 'final stages of our investigation' now - doesn't seem very final to me.
My first letter was with green ink and the second with red. There's a certain amount of psychology aimed at you when they make these threats.
Your mate BBB just did a really interesting video on that no license needed declaration questionnaire, even he can see how fundamentally flawed the whole thing is
@@ViN-kr3ri he does it purely from a legal perspective but even he agrees that the license fee is fundamentally flawed
It's crap,Chilli Jon has already covered it.
BBB is a rubbish barrister. He suggested the goons can look at your internet history to see if you’ve watched tv that you shouldn’t. How would they know you watched it in your house? Stick with CJC.
I like BBB and can see he's not a TV fan. This issue is as he always comes from a legal perspective using legal speak he often doesn't make much sense..... trying to be concise about a vague set of terms is challenging!
@@robtheplod I used to like BBB but I think Jon knows more about the TV licence.
Thanks for the advice x
I think in the last 15 years of having no licence I must have seen just about every variation of these begging letters and I'm at the point where if a letter doesn't have my name on it, "return to sender", back in the post box. I include junk mail in this category as well so my postman must hate me when he empties the postbox. I have never had a visit, never signed anything, never spoke to TVL (Capita) and never rung them up....
Not a good idea sending letters back. Then they know the address is active.
with the b.b.c. you are guilty until you PROVE to them your innocent
One thing I hope they never do is make it a tax in that case property can be asset forefit to pay delinquent taxes
I had the same letter. i put a small hole on the top corner of the letter. put a string through, and placed by the toilet roll. bonus saved money on loo roll. thanks for your help your doing a great job
That's what I do 👍
How csn you use it as loo roll when it's already covered in shit?
I bet the BBC hated the day when fast internet, smart TVs, firesticks, Roku and Chromecasts became widespread.
Think of all that revenue gone - and more people seeing the light every month!
They will be trying to get everyone to pay for the BBC through the council tax or similar over the next years..... a corrupt organisation.
In any other circumstances it would be deemed as demanding money with menaces, a protection racket on a par with a bunch of gangsters coming round and saying pay up or else.
Bearing in mind we are looking at a criminal offence, what kind of ACTUAL EVIDENCE is TV Licencing required to produce to meet the standard of proof 'beyond reasonable doubt'? THEY have to prove your guilt; YOU do NOT have to prove your innocence.
John gave me the confidence to cancel mine. But I'd love to know how the BBC can stop you watching all live channels (itv, ch4 etc), but keep the money for themselves.
The licence is from the 1940's, that should tell you... :)
You are right, it is threatening and intimidating and OFCOM should stop them.
Scary letters but only if you read them ,i can sniff out these letters they seem to have a funny Smell to them
But you do that because you don't need a licence.
I've had exactly the same letter , can't wait for them to dare knock ,I did tell them 3 years ago we don't need one but apparently that only lasts so long
Surely by now we must be able to return the gesture and be in a position to send them a threatening letter which has a 'legal' tone about it? Any lawyers out there could come up with an isea?
I don't understand why people answer the door at all! Nothing good comes of it! 😆
Could be someone from the Lottery telling you you've won £20 million!
I moved into a new property, and I don't need a TV licence, as I don't watch 'live' telly, or BBC services. My daughter watches Netflix, Disney+ and her fav UA-camrs, and I download other US shows/films.
I never told them, that I live here, and still down as the legal occupier. My last letter was in a red envelope, which scared my elderly mum. I had to reassure her that it's just intimidation tactics.
Received this letter, just binned it.xx
I got one of those last week. Straight in the bin
Just cancelled on behalf of my son who is disabled and doesn't watch live tv.
Amongst the statements is "You need a licence if you watch live on streaming services (e.g. All 4, Amazon Prime Video, NOW, ITVX, Sky Go) ".
I checked Amazon Prime has started to stream some live programmes, but if you don't watch them you don't need a licence.
After being conned for a TV Licence fee for many many years I just had my refund of £90 after declaring No Licence Needed I fall into the over 60s age group Thankyou Very Much for your channel
Having been recently threatened by a letter just like the one you describe, I do thank you for the reassurance you provide. I am one of countless people who don't use or want a television service, and who are systematically harassed by arrogant, pseudo-official poison pen-letters accusing me of criminal behaviour. My last letter from them had a headline proclaiming in bold print, 'You have 10 days to get correctly licensed.' and said that the 'Enforcement Officer' would appear on a certain date, a date which passed about 2 weeks ago with no one showing up.
Just got mine in the post. The legal occupier with a lovely red circle saying visit undertaken by enforcement team.
People who receive these letters that are not addressed to them personally should be tossed back in the post with "not at this address" written on the outside of the envelope.
That doesn't work, but will make you feel better. None of these gets returned as TVL have a system with the PO to not return these letters, but discard. Best if you send to your MP asking why they are permitting harassment. Explain how they are impacting on your mental health (nice big tick!) and to keep you informed of your queries progress as they investigate.
Apparently this would be no good at all, as the BBC have an agreement with the Royal Mail not to accept these return letters. You'd be better off sending it back in an innocuous looking envelope, handwritten.
If the licence does go on the c tax its the end of the enforcement officer. I'm hoping things stay the same.
my best mates wife let the goons into their house last week.
me and him got back to their house in time to see them going through BBC Iplayer's history to prove it hasn't been used which it thankfully hadn't.
we kicked them out and hopefully she wont be doing that again.
All these letters are obvious where they are from without opening them. I now write "return to sender" and put them back in the post. Hopefully, they have to pay to receive their own crap back
Good strategy but steam it open first, put something heavy in the envelope like a coaster or thick cardboard, glue it back sealed THEN send it back. They'll pay for the weight of it too.
That doesn't work, but will make you feel better. None of these gets returned as TVL have a system with the PO to not return these letters, but discard. Best if you send to your MP asking why they are permitting harassment. Explain how they are impacting on your mental health (nice big tick!) and to keep you informed of your queries progress as they investigate.
@ChilliJonCarne ... Excellent stuff Mate ... Thank You for your continued exposure of this utter BS 👍👍👍
Impossible situation where if you were watching live tv for say 5 years, thats a savings of $1000 by not buying the licence but when caught, you only pay a few hundred to the court unless they can prove you been watching 5 years and then the max is 1000 fine anyway. Cant be enforced and expensive to do so and some are paying while most are not so not equatable.. Here in Aust we just pay a few cents? a day automatically to fund our ABC and i thing thats how the UK will have to do it as people see these videos and realise the goons cant look through their windows or force entry to get evidence and you just close your door...
no contact = no problem.
Mine go into the fire
🤣😂
I received this letter in November, 2019 - I file them all away. Since then I have received many giving 'ten-day warnings', 'will I be in?', 'Investigation escalated', 'investigation in your area', et cetera, warning me of visits from the scary salesmen. So far, since 1972, I have been visited twice, both tens of years ago. 'Who are you?' - 'TV Licensing' - 'No thanks', door closed does the trick.
If you do have a salesman visit, keep your thoughts about Jimmy Savile, Gary Linaker, political bias, and the optional nature of this subscription service to yourself. They've heard it all before, it will do no good, and your loose lips may incriminate you, even unintentionally. E.g. "Blah blah Jimmy Savile!" - "Oh really? Did you see him omn Top of the Pops?" - "No mate, I turned to ITV whenever his fizog came on the screen." An admission to watching TV, maybe recorded or witnessed by a second salesman. Whoopee! off to the magistrate for a warrant, or "may we just step inside to clear this up?"
Why has no-one ever taken these clowns to court on libel charges?
Because the BBC is the Government's mouthpiece.
I don't even open their letters anymore they go straight into the bin
I have been getting these letters for over 20 years!
These days, when I see " The Legal Occupier " I don't waste my time opening it.
Straight into the bin for recycling
Well Said ... I just don't want the postman making a trip down my path for nothing, I'II wait for the first letter then do the online thing again, If you get a kick from slamming the door fill ya boot's but I don't want the Scumbags near me.. "You do a great Job Mate as always"
I wonder if any of these really wealthy families (stately home types) have ever received a visit from Capita???. Would love to see one of those made in Chelsea types receive a threat from the BBC...I may actually pay to see that lmao
" Cant do an 'Honest job'
Exactly...
They are after money, you no longer have.
I just got this email today too! I was a little panicking but after seen this video it’s make me feel more comfortable ❤ thank you!
I filled in online no licence needed,I recieved confirmation from tv licence that I wouldn’t hear again for 2 yrs or unless I tell them of any change, since then I recieved 4 of their letters and a salesman calling at my home, I again have contacted them to tell them I’m not a licence needed user and to stop sending me letters and callers of salesmen, I expect to recieve more letters and maybe a salesman calling , now if they do can I pursue a claim of Harrisment ? I have all the emails from them.
Report them to the environmental agency...how many trees are chopped down to make the paper for letters that just fill our recycle bins...