I love the message, so many powerful thoughts, and love how you have all 3 languages layered, including the Runic alphabet, which really helps with learning! May the Gods bless you for this one 🙏🏻
Indeed it is. We are glad you like the video. Perhaps it is the combination of proto-Germanic language and shamanic, repetative rhythm. As we have said in previous videos, old archetypes are covered with a thin veil. Underneath are the thousand of years of memories of our ancestors.
Hails to the old Gods and most importantly hail Tyr the sky father! The oldest and boldest of the aesir and the Vanir may his sacrifice serve as a reminder that we are his children.
Such a nice comment. Thank you. But Norse Tyr is different god then protoGermanic Tiwaz. However, the closest translation of Tiwaz, among the Norse would be Tyr. By the time of the Vikings Tiwaz as a sky father was replaced by Odin who became the Allfather. During the protoGermanic times, future Norse Odin was known as Wodanaz, and was a god of winds, and god of travelers. The oldest known Sky father in indoEuropen culture was Dyeus. Cheers!
@@Wulthus I'm still learning I only been a Norse Pagan for 2 years but what would be a good way to honor tyr in terms of speaking his name in remembrance and gratitude? I literally have his name engraved on my altar with sky father.... i don't want to anger him but should I remove it and replace the engraving with "Hail Tyr the Just and Courageous"?
@@Bjorn_Algiz Well, believe it or not I personaly honour Tyr from his IndEuropean form as Dyeus to his Gothic form as Teiws to his Norse Tyr form. Don't worry about angering him, as long as you respect him and honour him. I suggest you add this - "Hail Tiwaz sky father, glory and honour to you". You add this next to your engraving about Tyr. Also, at the end engrave twice "Hail", because Tyr was invoked by twice mentioning his name. Or by twice writing his rune. So now you have his two forms, as Tiwaz and Tyr and end it with writing Hail twice.
I will perform this task. Thank you so much I will make an offering tonight and give thanks but thank you brother for your words of wisdom I cherish and hold them to the utmost respect.
Do you think Thunraz was really a popular god among the Germanic tribes or that he became popular only in the viking age? I can not find a lot lf information on him in texts like Germania, but there is a lot to be found of him being an important god as Þor.
Sorry for answering after three weeks, but your mail was sent to spam. Anyway, I would agree with the scholars. I think all the gods, and for certain the major gods like Thunraz/Thorr, were popular throughout germanic world! After all "Viking" culture is but continuation, and an integral part, of germanic culture. Which is a continuation of Indo-european culture. That is the whole point, knowing that "Viking" culture did not come into existence over night, or out of thin air. It is a continuation of something much older, as mentioned before.
It always fascinated me, how older versions of the language, sister languages, even proto-languages look completely foreign and unitelligible, until someone shows the translation. Then it becomes clear enough to get a general idea of what you see/hear and in hindsight it is obvious that MAHTIganiz is MIGHTY and GUDO is GOD (I would have guessed it as GOOD, but "mighty good" still can be guessed as complicated way to say "god").
@@Wulthus what're the equivalent of goda masculine and i forgot the feminine one in Pgermanic? also theres that exception with diminutive, magd, maedchen?
Just curious because i love this channel....have you ever thought about doing a comparative mythology take on the war gods or sky fathers through out indo european cultures? That would be amazing and legendary 😊 just a thought and suggestion...i know many linguistic academics and professors have debated the entomology of the sky father and war gods but just a big Tyr fan boy i guess...i just love indo european and proto european studies.
@@Bjorn_AlgizThank you for the kind words about this channel! Indeed, an interesting idea about the war gods and sky fathers 👍. But, there are so many things we'd like to cover and so little time 🤔! Also, we don't want to become one of those channels that keep making video after video for no reason at all. In fact this channel was partly created in honour and to honour the Old gods...
@@Bjorn_Algiz Thank you once again. We don't mind people sharing and downloading our videos... it's not exactly YT policy to download videos, but we don't mind at all 😁, our content was never ment to be monetized, exclusive, and similar nonsense... but completely free and for all the followers of the Old european culture(s) and Old gods to use.
In this prayer the Gods are refered to as "Tiw" for Tyr (Old English version) and "Thunr"/"Thunrai" for Thor. The official reconstruction is "Tiwaz" and "Thun(a)raz". So maybe we should use these instead? Any way amazing video! I will use this when I pray to the Gods🙏🏻
Thunr and Thunrai are vocative and dative of Thunraz...also Tiw is vocative of Tiwaz... you can't apply grammar of modern english language to protogermanic.
@@rickardt1222 Well given the fact that 99% of protogermanic is reconstructed...it is not known how it was pronounced...we tried our best to follow all the linguistic rules when we made this video...When you pray to the gods,yes you are welcome to use our work...but the most important thing is to listen to that little voice inside you...it is the gods speaking to you...language is irrelevant!
@@Wulthus Well, I believe that language matters, since our ancestors spoke Proto-germanic for the longest time. Over 1000 years, probaly longer. Makes sense that using the oldest and most enduring language of our ancestors, makes it eaiser to come in contact with the forces that they worshipped. Thank you for your answers tho!
@@rickardt1222 Yes, you are right to a certain point... but then you'd have to take another step into the past and you'd find yourself in proto Indo-European times before our ancestors were separate into Germanic, Slavic, Celtic etc tribes, with another reconstructed, long-dead language... and among gods like Dyaus Pther - Father Sky/Father Bright Day and Dhegom/Mother Earth/Ertha/Jord, also Divine Twins, Perkwunos etc.... and it really would be nice to talk to them in that Ur sprache, Old language, but it is also almost impossible.... We do prey to Dyaus Pther and other oldest gods through... 👍
isnt tiwaz is tyr, thor comparing it to the futhork, tho I realized some is about flora fauna?, and gothic got some modifications on it, still havent read it or maybe hard to found the sources...
It is neither a growl, nor a metal voice... nor a grunting voice as someone once put it... it is as close as we could reconstruct it, to how we heard it, when we participated in a shamanic ritual.
@@Wulthus Ok, just asking only because various bands like heilung make the same noises when they sing. No need to be offended, it is what it is. If someone had to ask me what It sounded like, I could only describe it as a low growl and gutteral.
@@WisdomPrevails369 Oh, no, we are not offended at all. You can always ask whatever you want. As for Heilung, yes they make similar sounds because they use shamanic experiences as well in creating their music, among other things.
@@WisdomPrevails369 Actually, not quite. In a shamanic ritual an entity talks through the shaman, who is a human, of course. But shaman's voice gets distorted when an entity speaks through him/her. Sometimes it gets distorted alot, sometimes it is almost the same as human voice. Why? No idea, really.
It’s really cool to see this reconstruction and hear the ancient language. Don’t take me wrong, but I’m glad that Christianity came to Europe and replaced those dark beliefs.
I love the message, so many powerful thoughts, and love how you have all 3 languages layered, including the Runic alphabet, which really helps with learning! May the Gods bless you for this one 🙏🏻
Well, we are glad you liked it, 😁. If it inspires you towards something better and higher, our mission is a succes.
Most inspiring! May the Gods bless you for what you are doing.
Thank you. May the gods choose only those that are worthy, and may they lead us all, and never forget us.
@@Wulthus so be it. And may we never forget the Gods.
@@corybell6551 We have already done so once, and look where it got us.
@@Wulthus you are correct. I’m still awakening from my slumber...
I can feel something deep, powerful and personal shining through this.
Indeed it is. We are glad you like the video. Perhaps it is the combination of proto-Germanic language and shamanic, repetative rhythm. As we have said in previous videos, old archetypes are covered with a thin veil. Underneath are the thousand of years of memories of our ancestors.
Hails to the old Gods and most importantly hail Tyr the sky father! The oldest and boldest of the aesir and the Vanir may his sacrifice serve as a reminder that we are his children.
Such a nice comment. Thank you. But Norse Tyr is different god then protoGermanic Tiwaz. However, the closest translation of Tiwaz, among the Norse would be Tyr. By the time of the Vikings Tiwaz as a sky father was replaced by Odin who became the Allfather. During the protoGermanic times, future Norse Odin was known as Wodanaz, and was a god of winds, and god of travelers. The oldest known Sky father in indoEuropen culture was Dyeus.
Cheers!
@@Wulthus I'm still learning I only been a Norse Pagan for 2 years but what would be a good way to honor tyr in terms of speaking his name in remembrance and gratitude? I literally have his name engraved on my altar with sky father.... i don't want to anger him but should I remove it and replace the engraving with "Hail Tyr the Just and Courageous"?
@@Bjorn_Algiz Well, believe it or not I personaly honour Tyr from his IndEuropean form as Dyeus to his Gothic form as Teiws to his Norse Tyr form. Don't worry about angering him, as long as you respect him and honour him. I suggest you add this - "Hail Tiwaz sky father, glory and honour to you". You add this next to your engraving about Tyr. Also, at the end engrave twice "Hail", because Tyr was invoked by twice mentioning his name. Or by twice writing his rune. So now you have his two forms, as Tiwaz and Tyr and end it with writing Hail twice.
I will perform this task. Thank you so much I will make an offering tonight and give thanks but thank you brother for your words of wisdom I cherish and hold them to the utmost respect.
@@Bjorn_Algiz Not a problem. If you have any more questions just ask.
The wolves are so cool! I like the shaman's song at the beginning!
Hehe, yes wolves are indeed great! We like the song too 😁!
My dogs liked them, they got attentive 😆
Thanks for the shout-out! 😜
Do you think Thunraz was really a popular god among the Germanic tribes or that he became popular only in the viking age? I can not find a lot lf information on him in texts like Germania, but there is a lot to be found of him being an important god as Þor.
Sorry for answering after three weeks, but your mail was sent to spam. Anyway, I would agree with the scholars. I think all the gods, and for certain the major gods like Thunraz/Thorr, were popular throughout germanic world! After all "Viking" culture is but continuation, and an integral part, of germanic culture. Which is a continuation of Indo-european culture.
That is the whole point, knowing that "Viking" culture did not come into existence over night, or out of thin air. It is a continuation of something much older, as mentioned before.
It always fascinated me, how older versions of the language, sister languages, even proto-languages look completely foreign and unitelligible, until someone shows the translation. Then it becomes clear enough to get a general idea of what you see/hear and in hindsight it is obvious that MAHTIganiz is MIGHTY and GUDO is GOD (I would have guessed it as GOOD, but "mighty good" still can be guessed as complicated way to say "god").
Yes, you are correct. If this video helped you learned something, then our goal has been reached😁. Cheers, mate!
@@Wulthus Yes, it did) Love Germanic languages. They have distinct sound. Harsh and rhythmic
@@Wulthus what're the equivalent of goda masculine and i forgot the feminine one in Pgermanic? also theres that exception with diminutive, magd, maedchen?
I clicked on this like I won something! Time to enjoy...
Just curious because i love this channel....have you ever thought about doing a comparative mythology take on the war gods or sky fathers through out indo european cultures? That would be amazing and legendary 😊 just a thought and suggestion...i know many linguistic academics and professors have debated the entomology of the sky father and war gods but just a big Tyr fan boy i guess...i just love indo european and proto european studies.
@@Bjorn_AlgizThank you for the kind words about this channel! Indeed, an interesting idea about the war gods and sky fathers 👍.
But, there are so many things we'd like to cover and so little time 🤔!
Also, we don't want to become one of those channels that keep making video after video for no reason at all.
In fact this channel was partly created in honour and to honour the Old gods...
@@Wulthus fair enough 😊 I'll always continue to be a fan of yours and share your videos with others.
@@Bjorn_Algiz Thank you once again. We don't mind people sharing and downloading our videos... it's not exactly YT policy to download videos, but we don't mind at all 😁, our content was never ment to be monetized, exclusive, and similar nonsense... but completely free and for all the followers of the Old european culture(s) and Old gods to use.
In this prayer the Gods are refered to as "Tiw" for Tyr (Old English version) and "Thunr"/"Thunrai" for Thor. The official reconstruction is "Tiwaz" and "Thun(a)raz". So maybe we should use these instead? Any way amazing video! I will use this when I pray to the Gods🙏🏻
Thunr and Thunrai are vocative and dative of Thunraz...also Tiw is vocative of Tiwaz...
you can't apply grammar of modern english language to protogermanic.
@@Wulthus So thats just how it's said vocally? Ok, did not think about that. Should we use the pronunciations like you hear in the video?
@@rickardt1222 Well given the fact that 99% of protogermanic is reconstructed...it is not known how it was pronounced...we tried our best to follow all the linguistic rules when we made this video...When you pray to the gods,yes you are welcome to use our work...but the most important thing is to listen to that little voice inside you...it is the gods speaking to you...language is irrelevant!
@@Wulthus Well, I believe that language matters, since our ancestors spoke Proto-germanic for the longest time. Over 1000 years, probaly longer. Makes sense that using the oldest and most enduring language of our ancestors, makes it eaiser to come in contact with the forces that they worshipped. Thank you for your answers tho!
@@rickardt1222 Yes, you are right to a certain point... but then you'd have to take another step into the past and you'd find yourself in proto Indo-European times before our ancestors were separate into Germanic, Slavic, Celtic etc tribes, with another reconstructed, long-dead language... and among gods like Dyaus Pther - Father Sky/Father Bright Day and Dhegom/Mother Earth/Ertha/Jord, also Divine Twins, Perkwunos etc.... and it really would be nice to talk to them in that Ur sprache, Old language, but it is also almost impossible....
We do prey to Dyaus Pther and other oldest gods through... 👍
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Agreed hail the old gods hail nature
Heil den Göttern
M hubiera gustado traducido al español esta muy padre!
Muchos gracias 👍
isnt tiwaz is tyr, thor comparing it to the futhork, tho I realized some is about flora fauna?, and gothic got some modifications on it, still havent read it or maybe hard to found the sources...
I am sorry but I don't understand your quiestions. Could you be more specific?
Está muy interesante,me hubiese gustado mucho que tuviera la traducción en español
Muchas gracias, por ahora solo planeamos traducciones al inglés.
@@Wulthus Gracias maestro
Thunraz aka Thor aka Thunor aka Donar/Thunar and my go to God as I'm a Thorsman
I lean toward Tiwaz myself 🤘
Just curious why are you doing the prayer in a growl and metal voice? Lol
It is neither a growl, nor a metal voice... nor a grunting voice as someone once put it... it is as close as we could reconstruct it, to how we heard it, when we participated in a shamanic ritual.
@@Wulthus Ok, just asking only because various bands like heilung make the same noises when they sing. No need to be offended, it is what it is. If someone had to ask me what It sounded like, I could only describe it as a low growl and gutteral.
@@WisdomPrevails369 Oh, no, we are not offended at all. You can always ask whatever you want. As for Heilung, yes they make similar sounds because they use shamanic experiences as well in creating their music, among other things.
@@Wulthus You said it is what you heard, as in you heard an entity in the spiritual realm sound like this??
@@WisdomPrevails369 Actually, not quite. In a shamanic ritual an entity talks through the shaman, who is a human, of course. But shaman's voice gets distorted when an entity speaks through him/her. Sometimes it gets distorted alot, sometimes it is almost the same as human voice. Why? No idea, really.
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It’s really cool to see this reconstruction and hear the ancient language. Don’t take me wrong, but I’m glad that Christianity came to Europe and replaced those dark beliefs.
Don't worry friend, we won't take you wrong.
To be honest it's the other way around.
I think the voice style does not fit the video..
Opinion vary...
@Wulthus it's very grunty. Maybe a woman voice singing it would be more suitable. Idk..
@@HedserWijbenga Ever seen a shamanic ritual? Apparently not...