This Hydrogen X5 is why BMW approached Toyota to co-develop a sports car (Z4 and Supra). Not only did BMW and Toyota save money by jointly making a sports car but Toyota got a new Supra out of the deal and BMW got acces to Toyota’s hydrogen technology. This X5 is using Toyota’s fuel cell.
@@MikeGoesBoom yeah they tested the mirai and the pumps work like shit and it took 1 hour to fill it up. Maybe in 30 years when the infrastructure catches up but untill then ICE or normal EV
@@dovydas4036 Ok. How many stations are there in europe because from what I see they cant even build ev charging stations and you want hydrogen ones now
I feel like BMW has one of the best approaches to new drive concepts. Very open mindset. I think in the future we will see a mixture between battery electric cars, hydrogen powered ones and older cars which are powered by e-fuels. Glad you covered this one. I'd like to see more videos of different drive types in the future.
My guess is that the majority will be BEV, while a few exceptions will be powered by e-fuels (sports cars, transporters). For cars, I honestly don't see FCEV - too expensive, too impractical from a constructive and energetic standpoint, too overcomplicated. However, H2 might be a strong selling point for jets or ships. Airbus is currently working on a H2 turbine, and constructing ships with kilotons of batteries doesn't seem like a smart idea in terms of resources either, especially since ships don't have space issues for the gas tank of FCEV. Thanks to the greatly higher coefficient of performance of ship engines, e-fuels *might* also be an option there. As for semi trucks, batteries don't make sense, because their weight greatly decreases the maximum cargo load of each unit. H2 makes the most sense there, the tanks are huge already on ICE trucks (pun not intended) and there's more than enough space for a powerful H2 system. Although I *personally* think long distance trucks should "die" and the main distance of goods should be transported by ships and trains anyway for efficiency reasons. In that case, battery powered trucks for short distance transports would be an option again. As for the "load shift" from train to truck, I recommend everybody to take a look at the nearly fully autonomous "Megahub" in Lehrte, Germany 🙂 At least, that's my take on every type of transport 🤷♂️
@@BVZTIII I have a slightly different outlook on this. I see H2 FCEV playing the long game as the only roadblock they have can be solved with time, I agree BEVs will be the go to for a years or decade since recharging is easier to setup, but once a certain amount of H2 infra is available and fuel is cheap due to mass production and methods like thermochemical water splitting goes into commercial scale production things might go in H2's favor (e.g. no electricity needed hence bypasses the roundtrip efficiency issue of H2, it needs just heat, like waste heat from high temperature nuclear reactors like the one Japan, Korea, and China's testing right now that's gonna come online by 2030s). Biggest reason here is range and refueling time, scaling range for FCEVs just means a bigger gas tank which doesn't add a lot of weight compared to adding new cells to a battery pack. There's even newer tank designs that are more compact that's being used for commercial drones (2 hour+ flight time vs battery powered ones). They could even use e-fuels and be carbon neutral and still have comparable range as ICEs and handling if H2 is cheap enough. I could see people either having 2 cars, BEV for short commutes and FCEV for road long trips or skip BEV altogether and just get an FCEV that can do both. Especially starting with long road trips as long haul truck routes will have the H2 infra setup first as local H2 infra develops. H2 also has big economic potential which makes it appealing for countries since you can export hydrogen to developing countries that may not have good electric grids established yet. This allows those countries to move to cleaner cars much faster as they can just invest in stations and buy the H2 abroad while they develop their own grids and production methods while the exporters getting profits too.
@@ryoukokonpaku1575 FCEV apart from the far worse efficiency well to wheel has more problems which will prevent it from ever being mainstream. The gas tank takes up *a lot* of space (~150 liters currently for ~500 km of range at slow highway cruising), the power output is limited by the size of the electrolyseur, which isn't free of maintenance either and the whole system as such is way too overcomplicated compared to EVs, greatly increasing costs for simply a lot more parts. But not to take out the coefficient of performance, long story short, in total you need the energy for 300 km in a BEV to do 100 km in an FCEV - one could say case closed! And _"waste heat from high temperature nuclear reactors"?_ People want to *bury* nuclear power plants in the long term! That's not a long term solution 😂 About range and charging, solid state batteries are in prototype testing already, and the prognosis is a ~50% increase in energy density, which would mean ~700 km of WLTP range for even smaller vehicles (ID.2 or Cupra Raval), and over 1000 km for high class cars. The charging times by now became so short that the typical fast food break is longer than it takes to recharge to 100%. Hell, even already, with "old" battery tech, a Taycan recharges 48% in 10 minutes from 0% 🤷♂️ When people talk about range and charging/filling speed, do they ever realize one saves that time in a BEV in the everyday life, since you don't have to visit any type of refill station ever again? 😅
@@mattsson265 nope we still gonna have some mercedes already quit and bmw is going to. especially when the stupid green party in germany is gone in 2 years everything is gonna be reversed.
There's one problem with making hydrogen. - The cheapest and most common way to obtain hydrogen is through Natural Gas Reforming/Gasification: -> this method while cheap it releases excess methane, which is much worse for green house effect than CO2 -> you'll end up polluting more than the V8 equivalent. - The expensive way but cleaner is is through electrolysis : you use electricity to produce hydrogen, then use that hydrogen to produce electricity which is highly inefficient compared to a battery.
As already mentioned, in the video, solar and wind energy goes to waste when not used. And I would suggest a significant amount goes to waste too. For example, 40% of my energy from my solar panels in summer goes to waste. I can put it back into the grid, but I get nothing back (so I don't). There is now an interesting innovation in the form of "virtual batteries" whereby you build credits on your bill for when you're not generating. So imagine if every new home built has panels and does this. Excess energy is fed back into the grid driving hydrogen generation plants, and you earn credits. It's a sustainable economic model that, if implemented over time, could lead to a cleaner, cheaper and environmentally stable future.
BMW Diesel Engines are the best in the world, I switched to diesels 8 years ago and still enjoying power and efficiency of 3.0 liter twin turbo diesel, consuming 8L/100km in city while producing 800nm and 400+ hp
Does Hydrogen give all the torque (even if 1000Nm) at 0 RMP like EV does? I'm not really into efficiency or air pollution, I just purely want the car to have an instant response that ICE cars don't give.
So you're willing to pay 2-3 times the running costs while having similar range and only a couple of fuel stations in your country instead of loads of charing locations? Even battery swapping makes more sense (still very little)
@@borinvlogs why do u need instant response like bruh roads are not racetracks, but hydrogen car works the same as electric the only diff is that energy from burning hydrogen charges the battery, so it should behave nearly the same as ev.
@@Gochsener Battery electrics were in the same situation in 2000's but they were only improved better in mid 10's. If governments want to invest on a better and cleaner fuel type, they will and perhaps we can see more and more H2 cars. Who knows 🤷🏼♂️
At roughly 11:00 its mentioned this is a much lighter alternative to BEVs. I would like to know by how much exactly? It's motor+battery in a BEV vs motor+fuel cell+tanks+battery in the FCEV. I have a tough time believing that the difference is considerable. Also, how about the logevity and maintenance of all this extra hardware vs a simple BEV? And the fact that one would then be entirely relying on the same old business model of the oil industry? This seems to me to be a more complicated, more expensive solution overall to the consumer with the sole purpose of keeping the current business model around combustion engines.
People who know nothing about cars except "new expensive car = great car" love to say bs like that, same with "This is the future!" In the title. Future of what, Toyota tries so long with Mirai and no one wants to buy that car even with massive discount on refuelling. Content creators love to exploit fact that many people hate EVs for whatever reason and have no clue about problems with hydrogen (or ev for that matter)
@@VMRDY The latest Mirai is 160Kg lighter than the latest Model S , with very similar range - the Model S is actually more efficient and better at higher speeds than the Mirai. Bjorn Nyland tested both recently. So 2200kg vs 2040kg is really as we stand in terms true world comparison for large sedan. Worth it? Differentiating factor?
Nice commercial video for BMW and Toyota. Don't know if you have heard about well-to-wheel analyses. Search for it and you will be surprised. Considering the whole process chain 70% of the energy is LOST when using H2 in a car. In opposite to that, 70% of the invested energy is USED in a battery electric vehicle. You forgot in your video to answer the question, where all the H2 will come from to fuel FCEV. In addition, you did not tell anything about H2 stations. Ok, you mentioned that it takes 5 minutes to refuel a car with H2. But you did not mention, that an H2 station requires a regeneration time of 60 minutes between two loads (check out the data from company Broschier). This is 24 cars a day per H2 station! You forgot to mention anything about safety. Have you ever experienced an exploding tank of a car or H2 station? Is there any experience in the market available? From maintenance perspective this technology is even more worse. Just check out the owner manual of the Hyundai Nexo. Just one example: Hyundai asks the owner to get to the dealer every 10.000 km to check the H2 installation of the car. You mentioned that batteries require materials like lithium or cobalt which have an environmental impact. What about the rare material like platinum and iridium which are needed for fuel cells? 90% of the market volume are covered by Russia and South Africa. By the way: Mercedes-Benz stopped all H2 activities after 20 years of research for cars in 2021. And one final word: from 25 truck companies in the world 20 develop trucks based on battery electric drivetrains. Don't get me wrong. I am not a fan boy of BEV cars. I like ICE cars as well. Reading your claim: "This is the future of cars" is like being projected back to the 90s.
There are huge lithium reserves in the U.S., now being developed, plus much more in Chile. Very little cobalt needed, especially in newer battery chemistries.
It's just not worth it to open a mine specifically for the lithium. Not at the moment, but it will be. In Sweden they found rare earth metal reserves in the iron mines. This is great because there's already a mine there and they can get both iron and rare earth metals from the process, making it more economically viable than opening a new mine exclusively for lithium.
@@tobias_dahlberg How will this be effected by the EU classifying lithium as a toxic substance, and the increased boundaries to European lithium mines?
"UK: Auto-Top is an honest and pure car filming and testing company. We're not interested in eco & green (unless it's like, really superfast). " From this video's description lol
@@AutoTopnl Hello might you consider doing video on Eco runner xII a hydrogen powered vehicle aiming to beat a record. Coming from delft university students
I’m a petrol head and don’t like the idea of battery powered cars. I don’t think it’s a real solution to the environment. This on the other hand makes sense. Hydrogen power is definitely the future.
One point you did not address: hydrogen needs lots of energy to be produced. If you were to use this electricity to power electric cars, you could go much further much more efficiently - even today. Then you have to consider that electric motors and battery technology are still bound to improve. Hydrogen won't be a feasible option for road vehicles in the future
Hydrogen is not the future unless we find a way to generate surplus energy from truly clean sources (Nuclear and Hydro). Politicians are not enthusiastic about nuclear, despite the fact that it is the cleanest and safest way to produce energy.
@@bizzarebanana3041 It is nearly the safest way of generating electricity, 0.03 deaths per terawatt hour vs 25 for coal and is only beaten by solar at 0.02 but nuclear actually beats wind power
@@bizzarebanana3041It might surprise you, but dams are more dangerous than nuclear if you look at the stats 😉 Furthermore hydrogen has many drawbacks, for road vehicule it will probably never be less co2 emissive than battery car. It cost way more and you would need to build a whole new distribution system for H2 (few among many others problems). Battery cars also have their drawbacks but less than h2 ones
14:10 we have limit power... it drives like a normal car... No it does not. The Fuel cells only can provide a certain amount of power. If the small buffer battery is empty, you're completely limited. Forget high spped driving or accelleration.
Hydro electric is a far more elegant solution then batteries for sure, only issue is that producing it at the moment is expensive and costs a lot of energy. When the energy that is used to make Hydrogen comes from renewable sources (wind,solar etc) I would say we have a winner.
hydrogen production cant evolve coz of physics law... thats why notging chage... you need 33kw of electricity to produce 1kg of hydrogen, with that kg of hydrogen you can go 100km.. with 33kw of electricity you can go 200km
Japan is developing hydrogen as a "byproduct" in their new nuclear plants, with nearly 0 effort spent. But nobody is talking about it.....cause full electric is the "future"
@@xninefoxx8874 Yep it's using thermochemical water splitting. It's basically a variant of thermolysis which is splitting water purely via heat but uses a bit of chemicals (mainly sulfur and iodine) to lessen the needed heat to just (950C). The other chemicals are recycled and is a closed loop so you don't need to refuel those chemicals once production starts. Japan already estimated that h2 generation from those plants will make it cheaper than current gas prices with around 1000km transportation and compression taken into consideration. That high temperature nuclear plant design basically allows it to cogenerate both H2 and electricity while it's operating, it's also very efficient than electrolysis since it uses a much cheaper energy source (heat) than an expensive one (electricity). The design is also super safe as it can basically passively cool the reactor core via air cooling alone in case of disaster scenarios like power failures, its coolant isn't even water but helium gas. Due to the inherent safety feature, there's less redundant active cooling systems needed in place for emergency scenarios which makes them cheaper to build than current plants.
@@ryoukokonpaku1575 And we should start building these asap all around the world, but good chunk of people on this planet still refuse and are against building even normal nuclear powerplants. So untill people ditch the idea of modern nuclear powerplants = unsafe ticking bomb, we will never move on from this stagnating point. And I'm honestly tired of it. Everyone just says the same. Chernobyl/Fukushima. What people don't want to hear is that modern nuclear powerplants are the most safest thing with many many failsafes before anything can even happen. But people just refuse to accept this. Even with all the information we have available to us.
Sounds like the dream. Though making actual Hydrogen requires tremendous amounts of electricity to begin with. A quick google search states that you need at least 39kwh to make ONE kg of hydrogen.
Right now it takes this much energy. But only because the car industries rather invest in developing better batteries than improving the efficiency of H2 cells and H2 production.
@@Linkyboy_13No, 39 kWh is the theoretical peak. Today it's more like 50 kWh, meaning it takes about 300 kWh to generate the hydrogen used to fill the tank of this car.
There are newer breakthroughs thankfully on that end that doesn't need platinum as the catalyst, platinum is used at the moment since it's the most efficient catalyst but there are other catalysts that are being checked. The one most are looking into are carbon coated Nickle based catalysts which are much cheaper but still have almost the same efficiency as platinum-based catalysts.
You do know that a hydrogen powered car like this, is actually an electric car? The wheels are still driven by an electric motor. There are fewer than 15 hydrogen filling points in the whole of the UK, and not all of those have public access, or are open outside working hours. It would take 20+ years and tens of £billions to install a viable hydrogen infrastructure in the UK.
Thanks for making my point for me that hydrogen fuel cell is the future, and it needs to hit mass production asap , dont forget the electric carbatterys loose range in the cold weather conditions.!
Its just sad how fricking expensive the tankstations for hydrogen fuel are. They really should try to find a way to store and separate hydrogen in fluid and back to gas within their engines. The tank stations for those cost like millions because it has to be cooled to extreme temperatures to pump hydrogen gas without leak into the gas tank.
Well no, you charge your EV on your own driveway on your own generated power when you are at home, and you dont have to drive 50km to a nearby hydrogen station
@@ajstevens1652 how? you come home plug it in, you leave it is full, with solar for free. a mather seconds instead of a 50km detour to a expensive h2o station
@@arnold_2523 So you're requiring yourself to remember to plug it in when you get home? In order to charge off of power generated by fossil fuels unless you have an expensive battery storage system that can store enough excess to charge your car overnight? Hydrogen is cheaper and more practical than that.
@@ajstevens1652 “hydrogen is cheaper” 🤣 well thanks now i spilled my coffee. A kg hydrogen costs 12 euro - 26 euro depending on the station. A kWh from my Solar is free.
you know what's an even better alternative solution to electric cars? E-fuels. Why? Because we can just use the cars we already have instead of having to build new ones.
185 km/h, nearest station to fill her up within 200 km (if so), the usual sound of a microwave, the same digital boredom inside... How is this convincing to anyone?
I can imagine buying one of these and when I bring it to my mechanic he would say: you bought whaat ? I cant imagine how much an hour of labour will cost for these engines, you cant skimp on maintenance when you drive the hindenburg
Same thing when people started buying ICE vehicles from the very beginning. You bought WHAT?! A horse and carriage is much less maintenence... this is the type of thinking that inhibits adoption of new technologies.
@@tobias_dahlberg just because a technology is new doesnt mean its better, take for example EVs compared to ICE cars they still suck, range when its cold is reduced by 50% and if you want to do a road trip it will take far longer. If EVs would be better you would see military trucks and tanks being electric but they arent.
@@Chris-hw4mq It obviously doesn't. I believe that we will see an automotive world where ICE, EV and hydrogen vehicles co-exist, doing what they do best. City cars should be EV:s. Last mile delivery can be EV too. Long haul trucking will be a combination of ICE and Hydrogen when the infrastructure improves, etc... I'm not saying one technology is better than the others but they have their pros and cons and different use-cases. But to be able to improve technologies we need adopters. There won't be any hydrogen infrastructure if people don't start buying or at least showing interest in the technology.
So many extra steps instead of just, generate electricity, drive. Large scale battery energy storage is getting more and more common. You can't store hydrogen at home easily, but you can charge at home. Also having a pressurized tank of the worlds most energy dense gas underneath me is a no no for me. Hydrogen is also super difficult to store and transport, you have two choices, either store it at -253C or at 350-700bar
This is the way forward. All this lithium crap will be dead before we know it. And to those who think it's environmentally friendly are insane. The damage to the environment made by lithium mining is ignored, along with the disposal of the dead batteries. And the lack of infrastructure, sitting in a car for hours waiting for it to charge. The impracticalities of lithium batteries are just massive and completely puts me off ever getting one. I'm sticking with diesel until this is ready. Big fan of hydrogen too!
I believe this is the future. The benefit of using off peak power to make hydrogen is a key way to achieving system resilience to the grid and thus reduce risk of black outs.
Hydrogen production has major issues in terms of mass producing pretty similar to synthetic e-fuels. In terms of renewable hydrogen their is only soo much solar, wind etc.. in terms of land u can use. U need alot of land to place these things and they produce small amounts of clean hydrogen.
It's not more difficult than pumping oil from the bottom of an ocean in form of sand and then purifying it through 8 million different processes to make fuel. It's just that it's not profitable anymore. Any alternative to oil industry is viable but the oil industry wants to make it sound like it isn't because they wanna keep the profits to themselves.
@@MrMarpra Why is efficiency the only keyword for electric-fans? Some in theory slightly more efficient cars won't change the world while there are thousands of ships burning millions of tons of oil per day. Btw, electric cars aren't more efficient
@@bronin2642 because saving energy is essential for reducing emissions. Producing hydrogen for cars is wasting energy. Electric cars get 90% of energy put in moving. Hydrogen cars are about only 40%. So you are clearly wrong, btw.
@@bronin2642 Those ships are shockingly good for the environment. Sure the emissions are staggering by the amount of things they move is amazing. They produce less than 1/20 of the emissions a truck would per tonne kilometre (meaning total emissions divided the distance travelled and the tons carried)
I don’t know what kind of safety measures BMW will be taking but I never liked the idea of carrying a tank of hydrogen that has a pressure of over 5000psi, one fast rear end collision and a punctured tank later, you are blown up. Don’t really like the idea of that
Lithium is one of the most abundant its everywhere, Cobolt is hardly used in batterys and will removed completely before long. Why would you sit on a complicated bomb that makes electricity .. Just Insane.
Fueling up takes 3 to 4 minutes for the same range as an EV but you can't refuel hydrogen at home. With an EV you get a full "tankt" every morning with 0 minutes of time lost (in everyday driving, doesn't apply on going on holidays)
yeah i would love to see hydrogen work out, but they have to trouble shoot a lot of supply and logistical issues for it to be a real option. Electric cars are definitely not a solution in Europe because most people don't have a garage to charge and the cost of electricity is so high that petrol cars are cheaper even in the long term. Places like in the US where electricity is dirt cheap and there are vast amounts of charging networks improving everyday but for other parts of the world they are just not a realistic option
This is exactly the future, besides E-Fuels. Hydrogen cars are so much more important than normal electric cars because of tons of reasons. It will safe a lot of jobs which will be lost with the dead of regular engines (building hydrogen cells, generate hydrogen, transport, gas stations and so on) and as you said we already have the infrastructure. Happy you showed us BMW's effort on this very important tech. This needs much much more promotion.
@@7ludi False. We already have the transport vessels, trucks, fuel stations, refineries and spare parts supply chains. No gigantic overhaul of electricity grid needed.
@@ajstevens1652 all of those have to be remade for hydrogen. Hydrogen has to be either stored at extremely high pressure or at extremely low temperature. You can’t just put it in ordinary fuel tankers or gas stations. Electricity is transported on simple lines and you can make your one at home and off the grid
Cobalt is being now not present in many new battery technologies, moreover Chile and Australia have large deposits of lithium. colbalt always has and always will be needed for petrol creation
In large vehicles, boats, trucks etc, it might make sense for personal transport vehicles hydrogen fuel cells are not cost effective, not environmentally friendly and make no sense at all.
Ngl, i’m a lil scared. What if the a few from the first 5000 production cars or so explode or smth. Like the samsung phone thing with the batteries exploding few years ago
Neither lithium nor cobalt are Rare Earth elements and you don't need cobalt anymore for batteries. Hydrogen is not the future unless massive corruption happens, hydrogen refuelling stations are too expensive and the drive train is 3 times less efficient than a fully electric one due to the fundamental issues of conversion
Very cool to think of how much less pollution will be produced with this kind of technology. People forget the big mining and destruction of lands and the dirty work overall that is involved in harvesting lithium and nickel and zinc and all the other byproducts necessary to make these huge powerful lithium batteries for EV’s. Yes it’s a major improvement from combustion engines but the work necessary to create lithium battery’s and all of that is much more complicated than some people realize when they think they’re helping to save the planet by going electric.
This. Lithium battery cars just replace one evil with another. The fact is even modern Euro 6 and 7 diesels are cleaner than petrol cars, yet diesel is being strangled. The fact is it's all about making money and keeping economies going. Who do you think lobbies for the changes? The car manufacturers to governments. Governments get kick-backs in tax, they enforce "environmental" laws, and markets are forced to switch to electric lithium cars even though they are garbage still. I laugh every time I fill up my tank of diesel (good for 1200km), and I see families waiting in their Tesla's for their batteries to charge. I don't want that, but that's what we're being forced to do to drive the economy.
You are 100% right Max, hydrogen is the way to go, the only environmentally friendly way. However hope is not lost for the ICE as Toyota shows and we can have a mix of fuel cells and hydrogen combustion engines. Also I heard that for the fuel cell you need platinum that is also scarce, so that’s another reason to build hydrogen combustion engine vehicles
Engineering Explained guy explained why Hydrogen ICE cars are not possible. There is no hope for Hydrogen ICE cars if he is correct. The only future of ICE cars is E fuels.
There's some progress on carbon coated nickle based catalysts at least to replace the requirement for platinum which should make fuel cells cheaper. Though that's not to say that H2 ICE isn't viable, I can definitely see it being loved for racing as it still has that engine roar which Toyota is currently researching with their race car (already participating races here in Japan). They're also better for racing since refueling time is crucial for longer races.
@@ryoukokonpaku1575 that’s good news! But I think that hydrogen ICE could well also be used on the roads by enthusiasts as there is no reason why it couldn’t be street legal, but for A to B commuters electric motors are a great solution if they are more efficient. The main aspect is that if we produce clean energy in abundance using renewables and nuclear power we won’t need to worry so much about efficiency and we could still enjoy a V8
Hydrogen is just too expensive to generate, compress, store, distribute, store, dispense and store again. It will require a lot of infrastructure development before that becomes anywhere close to the performance of batteries from a cost effective perspective.
It’s a nice alternative, you don’t need batteries, but you need the hydrogen, wich is expensive, and you start depending on companies to supply that to you again, like petrol. With the electric car with batteries, you have the cons of having a battery but you are autonomous in your home, you even can charge with solar panels if you wish, and batteries will evolve with solid state, materials etc. One more thing that I can think of is that you need the entire front of the car for the hydrogen converter unlike battery cars that can put an electric motor in the front and 2 in the back for example. Anyways it’s a nice technology we should welcome Btw I have an electric car, and I pay 4€ to 5€ more or less for doing 1500km a month charging at home…. That’s unbeatable 😝😉
A couple things to point out: - Lithium is not rare at all, but on the contrary a very abbundant element in the Earths crust. - Producing hydrogen (using the carbon free, electrolysis method) requires a lot of energy. Currently 30% of energy is lost. - Hydrogen is a nightmare to store. Liquifying it requires temperatures of -250°C, so you essentialy have to store it in the gas form. It has to be pressurised to around 700 bar, which cost additional energy. - You have to get it to the fueling stations. Very few pipelines exist, so it would require massive investments and decades of construction to have a viable transport infrastructure. The alternative is to use fuel trucks requires energy and increases cost. - Converting hydrogen to electricity in fuel cell is also not 100% efficient. It is more like 80-90%. To sumarise, energy efficiency of the hydrogen vehicle (from hydro production to el. motor) would by around 30%. Normal EV with battery has efficiency of around 70%. So we would need a lot of cheap and abundant electricity to make hydrogen work. Some day in the future maybe, but currently not really.
Damn… was this video sponsored by BMW or Toyota or something? It’s quite a different video style from usual, and you say a lot of supposed advantages of hydrogen fuel cell cars, without mentioning the absurd cost of hydrogen infrastructure, or the fact that there is no feasible way to mass-produce hydrogen gas without using fossil fuels.
12:50 so one refueling station every 200km in 7 years? So if you live somewhere in between, you have to drive max. 100km to your gas station? I can charge my EV in my friggin garage... 13:15 "its much more flexible" 🤣🤣🤣 no it's not, mate! A remote area has electricity, but no hydrogen station. Get an EV and maybe build a battery swap station like Nio does (already available for customers)
Toen ik 23 jaar geleden op de basisschool zat had ik al een spreekbeurt gegeven over dit onderwerp (waterstof/fuel cells). Laat lang op zich wachten...
Just a friendly heads up, this video is sponsored by BMW, a company that has a partnership with Toyota, known for their investment in fuel cells. So, it's possible there's a bias. But let's consider the bigger picture. Electric vehicles are undeniably the way of the future with their numerous advantages. We're talking about a widespread charging infrastructure, higher energy efficiency, lower costs, and constantly advancing battery technology. It's crucial to be aware of potential biases in sponsored content. Stay informed, seek unbiased sources, and form your own opinion.
Well I had this opinion on hydrogen cars before this video. I just wish that BMW comes out with one. I hate that hydrogen isn't sought out more as a solution for companies. It basically is gas but just not as harmful to the environment. Obviously if there was more invested into the area, there would be cheaper hydrogen fuel. I really wish more companies look in this view.
No way hydrogen is the way of future, electric is just better in every way, if you have electricity ready to use in a car why would you use it to extract hydrogen from water or other resources to then put into a car which runs with electricity, is such a waste of power, every engineer know that hydrogen will fail miserably
@@Xuzyy "every way" Not in terms of weight, which is a big drawback, and there's also the issues with charging time and range in cold climates. Be realistic. You are however absolutely right that producing hydrogen is a woefully inefficient process, and it only makes sense to produce it with excess power that would've otherwise gone to waste. But in the future we'll very likely be able to store that excess power in batteries for later use, so the future of these cars is not that hopeful.
You guys are now even getting pre-production cars / concept. Cool to see how far the channel has gone, keep up the good work !
it's not a pre-production car or concept car. BMW is producing them in a small serial production with 100 cars to test the future of hydrogen.
@@dr-ok3snI guess it's a "production" car just like the SLS AMG E.D and the R8 e-tron were "production" cars then... Still a very exclusive review
1000% agree!!!
This channel looks like it is sponsored by BMW …. please add a advertorial badge
@@arnold_2523 by law, if it’s an advert it must be stated or shown in the video, therefore it’s not sponsored
This Hydrogen X5 is why BMW approached Toyota to co-develop a sports car (Z4 and Supra). Not only did BMW and Toyota save money by jointly making a sports car but Toyota got a new Supra out of the deal and BMW got acces to Toyota’s hydrogen technology. This X5 is using Toyota’s fuel cell.
I saw last year a hydrogen toyota, smokingtire video and it took 1 hour to fill it up
@@Chris-hw4mq The Toyota Mirai takes like 5 mins to fill up
@@MikeGoesBoom yeah they tested the mirai and the pumps work like shit and it took 1 hour to fill it up. Maybe in 30 years when the infrastructure catches up but untill then ICE or normal EV
@@Chris-hw4mq 5 minutes
@@dovydas4036 Ok. How many stations are there in europe because from what I see they cant even build ev charging stations and you want hydrogen ones now
I feel like BMW has one of the best approaches to new drive concepts. Very open mindset. I think in the future we will see a mixture between battery electric cars, hydrogen powered ones and older cars which are powered by e-fuels. Glad you covered this one. I'd like to see more videos of different drive types in the future.
My guess is that the majority will be BEV, while a few exceptions will be powered by e-fuels (sports cars, transporters). For cars, I honestly don't see FCEV - too expensive, too impractical from a constructive and energetic standpoint, too overcomplicated.
However, H2 might be a strong selling point for jets or ships. Airbus is currently working on a H2 turbine, and constructing ships with kilotons of batteries doesn't seem like a smart idea in terms of resources either, especially since ships don't have space issues for the gas tank of FCEV. Thanks to the greatly higher coefficient of performance of ship engines, e-fuels *might* also be an option there.
As for semi trucks, batteries don't make sense, because their weight greatly decreases the maximum cargo load of each unit. H2 makes the most sense there, the tanks are huge already on ICE trucks (pun not intended) and there's more than enough space for a powerful H2 system. Although I *personally* think long distance trucks should "die" and the main distance of goods should be transported by ships and trains anyway for efficiency reasons. In that case, battery powered trucks for short distance transports would be an option again. As for the "load shift" from train to truck, I recommend everybody to take a look at the nearly fully autonomous "Megahub" in Lehrte, Germany 🙂
At least, that's my take on every type of transport 🤷♂️
@@BVZTIII I have a slightly different outlook on this. I see H2 FCEV playing the long game as the only roadblock they have can be solved with time, I agree BEVs will be the go to for a years or decade since recharging is easier to setup, but once a certain amount of H2 infra is available and fuel is cheap due to mass production and methods like thermochemical water splitting goes into commercial scale production things might go in H2's favor (e.g. no electricity needed hence bypasses the roundtrip efficiency issue of H2, it needs just heat, like waste heat from high temperature nuclear reactors like the one Japan, Korea, and China's testing right now that's gonna come online by 2030s).
Biggest reason here is range and refueling time, scaling range for FCEVs just means a bigger gas tank which doesn't add a lot of weight compared to adding new cells to a battery pack. There's even newer tank designs that are more compact that's being used for commercial drones (2 hour+ flight time vs battery powered ones). They could even use e-fuels and be carbon neutral and still have comparable range as ICEs and handling if H2 is cheap enough. I could see people either having 2 cars, BEV for short commutes and FCEV for road long trips or skip BEV altogether and just get an FCEV that can do both. Especially starting with long road trips as long haul truck routes will have the H2 infra setup first as local H2 infra develops. H2 also has big economic potential which makes it appealing for countries since you can export hydrogen to developing countries that may not have good electric grids established yet. This allows those countries to move to cleaner cars much faster as they can just invest in stations and buy the H2 abroad while they develop their own grids and production methods while the exporters getting profits too.
@@ryoukokonpaku1575 FCEV apart from the far worse efficiency well to wheel has more problems which will prevent it from ever being mainstream. The gas tank takes up *a lot* of space (~150 liters currently for ~500 km of range at slow highway cruising), the power output is limited by the size of the electrolyseur, which isn't free of maintenance either and the whole system as such is way too overcomplicated compared to EVs, greatly increasing costs for simply a lot more parts.
But not to take out the coefficient of performance, long story short, in total you need the energy for 300 km in a BEV to do 100 km in an FCEV - one could say case closed! And _"waste heat from high temperature nuclear reactors"?_ People want to *bury* nuclear power plants in the long term! That's not a long term solution 😂
About range and charging, solid state batteries are in prototype testing already, and the prognosis is a ~50% increase in energy density, which would mean ~700 km of WLTP range for even smaller vehicles (ID.2 or Cupra Raval), and over 1000 km for high class cars. The charging times by now became so short that the typical fast food break is longer than it takes to recharge to 100%. Hell, even already, with "old" battery tech, a Taycan recharges 48% in 10 minutes from 0% 🤷♂️
When people talk about range and charging/filling speed, do they ever realize one saves that time in a BEV in the everyday life, since you don't have to visit any type of refill station ever again? 😅
You’ve nailed it. This will be the ultimate future.
@@BVZTIII yes that's exactly what I'm thinking as well!
I can just imagine… this is a 2023 concept car. In 2030 hopefully all BMW will have this option. I’d love to see a M versions of this.
They already said a Real M car will NEVER have a electric or Hydrogen Engine
Imposible without a supply network
@@Snakeshit294 Then we can say goodbye to future M cars after 2035.
@@mattsson265 nope we still gonna have some mercedes already quit and bmw is going to. especially when the stupid green party in germany is gone in 2 years everything is gonna be reversed.
@@Snakeshit294 there is the i4 M50
There's one problem with making hydrogen.
- The cheapest and most common way to obtain hydrogen is through Natural Gas Reforming/Gasification: -> this method while cheap it releases excess methane, which is much worse for green house effect than CO2 -> you'll end up polluting more than the V8 equivalent.
- The expensive way but cleaner is is through electrolysis : you use electricity to produce hydrogen, then use that hydrogen to produce electricity which is highly inefficient compared to a battery.
As already mentioned, in the video, solar and wind energy goes to waste when not used. And I would suggest a significant amount goes to waste too. For example, 40% of my energy from my solar panels in summer goes to waste. I can put it back into the grid, but I get nothing back (so I don't). There is now an interesting innovation in the form of "virtual batteries" whereby you build credits on your bill for when you're not generating. So imagine if every new home built has panels and does this. Excess energy is fed back into the grid driving hydrogen generation plants, and you earn credits. It's a sustainable economic model that, if implemented over time, could lead to a cleaner, cheaper and environmentally stable future.
You could say the same thing with BEVs, that the cheapest way to charge an EV would be through non-renewable electricity.
@@VMRDY even in the worst case scenario with coal made electric power it's not as bad as the natural gas reforming process
@@ghp0518 Not if you factor in the manufacturing emissions of BEVs.
I’m amazed about the fact that bmw still doesn’t want to quit the diesel engines but they are developing this kind of cars
They're making cars for now, while developing other cars for later.
BMW Diesel Engines are the best in the world, I switched to diesels 8 years ago and still enjoying power and efficiency of 3.0 liter twin turbo diesel, consuming 8L/100km in city while producing 800nm and 400+ hp
They are right not to quit diesels just yet!
I don't know about other markets, but BMW have dropped diesel from *all* their car ranges in the UK now.
@@joebloggs4191 They already have in the UK, around a Month ago.....
This channel is already one of my favourite but with such content it’s getting even more serious. Thank you very much.
the channel "M539 Restorations" bought one of those v12 7-series hydrogen engines and used it as a donor engine for his 850 build. Fascinating tech.
@@delazlo absolutely right. Corrected
This alone looks really cool. I hope they'll do more of this.
Wow, this is just the right step BMW is heading to!!
Super clean nice design.
This is the "old" one, it got a facelift this year
@@Freimopp777 and this facelift is pretty clean and nice
One of the few models that they haven't yet ruined completely.
I'd rather much prefer Hydrogen drivetrain than traditional Electric drivetain, period.
Exactly
Does Hydrogen give all the torque (even if 1000Nm) at 0 RMP like EV does? I'm not really into efficiency or air pollution, I just purely want the car to have an instant response that ICE cars don't give.
So you're willing to pay 2-3 times the running costs while having similar range and only a couple of fuel stations in your country instead of loads of charing locations? Even battery swapping makes more sense (still very little)
@@borinvlogs why do u need instant response like bruh roads are not racetracks, but hydrogen car works the same as electric the only diff is that energy from burning hydrogen charges the battery, so it should behave nearly the same as ev.
@@Gochsener Battery electrics were in the same situation in 2000's but they were only improved better in mid 10's. If governments want to invest on a better and cleaner fuel type, they will and perhaps we can see more and more H2 cars. Who knows 🤷🏼♂️
At roughly 11:00 its mentioned this is a much lighter alternative to BEVs. I would like to know by how much exactly? It's motor+battery in a BEV vs motor+fuel cell+tanks+battery in the FCEV. I have a tough time believing that the difference is considerable. Also, how about the logevity and maintenance of all this extra hardware vs a simple BEV? And the fact that one would then be entirely relying on the same old business model of the oil industry? This seems to me to be a more complicated, more expensive solution overall to the consumer with the sole purpose of keeping the current business model around combustion engines.
I 100% agree. This is pure BS
People who know nothing about cars except "new expensive car = great car" love to say bs like that, same with "This is the future!" In the title.
Future of what, Toyota tries so long with Mirai and no one wants to buy that car even with massive discount on refuelling.
Content creators love to exploit fact that many people hate EVs for whatever reason and have no clue about problems with hydrogen (or ev for that matter)
The current gen Mirai is a few hundred kilograms lighter than a Tesla Model S with a very similar range.
@@VMRDY The latest Mirai is 160Kg lighter than the latest Model S , with very similar range - the Model S is actually more efficient and better at higher speeds than the Mirai. Bjorn Nyland tested both recently. So 2200kg vs 2040kg is really as we stand in terms true world comparison for large sedan. Worth it? Differentiating factor?
@@VMRDY The model S is also larger and has far more storage capacity. A model 3 would be a fairer comparison.
BMW had this kind of concept cars back in 2000. They’re still concept
and Mercedes with the F-Cell GLC
Nice commercial video for BMW and Toyota. Don't know if you have heard about well-to-wheel analyses. Search for it and you will be surprised. Considering the whole process chain 70% of the energy is LOST when using H2 in a car. In opposite to that, 70% of the invested energy is USED in a battery electric vehicle. You forgot in your video to answer the question, where all the H2 will come from to fuel FCEV. In addition, you did not tell anything about H2 stations. Ok, you mentioned that it takes 5 minutes to refuel a car with H2. But you did not mention, that an H2 station requires a regeneration time of 60 minutes between two loads (check out the data from company Broschier). This is 24 cars a day per H2 station! You forgot to mention anything about safety. Have you ever experienced an exploding tank of a car or H2 station? Is there any experience in the market available? From maintenance perspective this technology is even more worse. Just check out the owner manual of the Hyundai Nexo. Just one example: Hyundai asks the owner to get to the dealer every 10.000 km to check the H2 installation of the car. You mentioned that batteries require materials like lithium or cobalt which have an environmental impact. What about the rare material like platinum and iridium which are needed for fuel cells? 90% of the market volume are covered by Russia and South Africa. By the way: Mercedes-Benz stopped all H2 activities after 20 years of research for cars in 2021. And one final word: from 25 truck companies in the world 20 develop trucks based on battery electric drivetrains. Don't get me wrong. I am not a fan boy of BEV cars. I like ICE cars as well. Reading your claim: "This is the future of cars" is like being projected back to the 90s.
This is very cool.
You should also visit the Porsche synthetic fuel plant!
There are huge lithium reserves in the U.S., now being developed, plus much more in Chile. Very little cobalt needed, especially in newer battery chemistries.
Lithium mining is incredibly destructive to the local environment.
It's just not worth it to open a mine specifically for the lithium. Not at the moment, but it will be. In Sweden they found rare earth metal reserves in the iron mines. This is great because there's already a mine there and they can get both iron and rare earth metals from the process, making it more economically viable than opening a new mine exclusively for lithium.
@@tobias_dahlberg How will this be effected by the EU classifying lithium as a toxic substance, and the increased boundaries to European lithium mines?
@@ajstevens1652 This is what needs to be worked out.
The newer Tesla's and Chinese EV's have cobalt free batteries.....
10:00 it's a BMW so it's quite normal that it needs service
"UK: Auto-Top is an honest and pure car filming and testing company. We're not interested in eco & green (unless it's like, really superfast). " From this video's description lol
The description is starting to show its age for sure lol
man we promised we would never change ;)
@@AutoTopnl love your videos regardless, just thought it was funny :)
@@AutoTopnl i heard hydrogen is supposed to be combustible with onyl water as emissions as long as combustion is not too hot
@@AutoTopnl Hello might you consider doing video on Eco runner xII a hydrogen powered vehicle aiming to beat a record.
Coming from delft university students
I’m a petrol head and don’t like the idea of battery powered cars. I don’t think it’s a real solution to the environment.
This on the other hand makes sense. Hydrogen power is definitely the future.
i like that concept! would take a 5 series with that :)
One point you did not address: hydrogen needs lots of energy to be produced. If you were to use this electricity to power electric cars, you could go much further much more efficiently - even today. Then you have to consider that electric motors and battery technology are still bound to improve. Hydrogen won't be a feasible option for road vehicles in the future
700 bar is insane much
This really felt like an old review of yours I really enjoyed this!
Today was a fun chem class thank you!
Part of what you said is false. Lithium is very abundant and is everywhere. Almost all countries have lithium in their soil.
Hydrogen is not the future unless we find a way to generate surplus energy from truly clean sources (Nuclear and Hydro). Politicians are not enthusiastic about nuclear, despite the fact that it is the cleanest and safest way to produce energy.
its really not the safest and cleanest way but ok
@@bizzarebanana3041 It is nearly the safest way of generating electricity, 0.03 deaths per terawatt hour vs 25 for coal and is only beaten by solar at 0.02 but nuclear actually beats wind power
@@bizzarebanana3041It might surprise you, but dams are more dangerous than nuclear if you look at the stats 😉
Furthermore hydrogen has many drawbacks, for road vehicule it will probably never be less co2 emissive than battery car. It cost way more and you would need to build a whole new distribution system for H2 (few among many others problems). Battery cars also have their drawbacks but less than h2 ones
@@teentechnology9855 Yeah so it’s not the safest. It is also pretty far from clean as well
@@tibloribf9690 No that doesn’t surprise me at all lol, i agree with what you said about hydrogen though
This car is actually a hybrid BEV/FCEV. Because it relies on a battery for bridging the lag gaps that FCEV usually suffer from.
All hydrogen cars also have batteries
@@arthurhq5741 So do all new petrol and diesel cars.
@@VMRDY Did I say otherwise ?
I won't say they are comparable though.
Toyota FCEV uses a smaller battery as an immediate energy storage.
You are so wrong on this topic. Hydrogen will not be the choice of fuel for mass transit cars.
I'd take this any day over an iX as a daily driver. Now please BMW put this into the new LCI X5 and sell it to me!
This video is a world first on this BMW product well done brother
Ma Sha Allah! good progress man, getting reached out by brands now! congratulations!
14:10 we have limit power... it drives like a normal car... No it does not. The Fuel cells only can provide a certain amount of power. If the small buffer battery is empty, you're completely limited. Forget high spped driving or accelleration.
Top of the game i can see the future here over EV
There is a new moroccan hydrogin car Namx too . I think they will be a lot of hydrogin cars in the future
Hydro electric is a far more elegant solution then batteries for sure, only issue is that producing it at the moment is expensive and costs a lot of energy.
When the energy that is used to make Hydrogen comes from renewable sources (wind,solar etc) I would say we have a winner.
hydrogen production cant evolve coz of physics law... thats why notging chage... you need 33kw of electricity to produce 1kg of hydrogen, with that kg of hydrogen you can go 100km.. with 33kw of electricity you can go 200km
Japan is developing hydrogen as a "byproduct" in their new nuclear plants, with nearly 0 effort spent.
But nobody is talking about it.....cause full electric is the "future"
@@xninefoxx8874 Yep it's using thermochemical water splitting. It's basically a variant of thermolysis which is splitting water purely via heat but uses a bit of chemicals (mainly sulfur and iodine) to lessen the needed heat to just (950C). The other chemicals are recycled and is a closed loop so you don't need to refuel those chemicals once production starts. Japan already estimated that h2 generation from those plants will make it cheaper than current gas prices with around 1000km transportation and compression taken into consideration.
That high temperature nuclear plant design basically allows it to cogenerate both H2 and electricity while it's operating, it's also very efficient than electrolysis since it uses a much cheaper energy source (heat) than an expensive one (electricity). The design is also super safe as it can basically passively cool the reactor core via air cooling alone in case of disaster scenarios like power failures, its coolant isn't even water but helium gas. Due to the inherent safety feature, there's less redundant active cooling systems needed in place for emergency scenarios which makes them cheaper to build than current plants.
@@ryoukokonpaku1575 And we should start building these asap all around the world, but good chunk of people on this planet still refuse and are against building even normal nuclear powerplants. So untill people ditch the idea of modern nuclear powerplants = unsafe ticking bomb, we will never move on from this stagnating point. And I'm honestly tired of it. Everyone just says the same. Chernobyl/Fukushima. What people don't want to hear is that modern nuclear powerplants are the most safest thing with many many failsafes before anything can even happen. But people just refuse to accept this. Even with all the information we have available to us.
Sounds like the dream. Though making actual Hydrogen requires tremendous amounts of electricity to begin with. A quick google search states that you need at least 39kwh to make ONE kg of hydrogen.
Right now it takes this much energy. But only because the car industries rather invest in developing better batteries than improving the efficiency of H2 cells and H2 production.
@@Linkyboy_13No, 39 kWh is the theoretical peak. Today it's more like 50 kWh, meaning it takes about 300 kWh to generate the hydrogen used to fill the tank of this car.
Love the concept but platinum or platinum alloys required for fuel cells are costly.
There are newer breakthroughs thankfully on that end that doesn't need platinum as the catalyst, platinum is used at the moment since it's the most efficient catalyst but there are other catalysts that are being checked. The one most are looking into are carbon coated Nickle based catalysts which are much cheaper but still have almost the same efficiency as platinum-based catalysts.
Think this is the right step!❤
Nice, cant even go to 100kph, thats the future right there
Well done BMW. Now to see if I can eek out my inline 6 until this becomes mainstream and avoid pure electric altogether
You do know that a hydrogen powered car like this, is actually an electric car? The wheels are still driven by an electric motor. There are fewer than 15 hydrogen filling points in the whole of the UK, and not all of those have public access, or are open outside working hours. It would take 20+ years and tens of £billions to install a viable hydrogen infrastructure in the UK.
@@Brian-om2hh I know what hydrogen does :)
@@LandscapesDronescapes this all has a battery too lol
Thanks for making my point for me that hydrogen fuel cell is the future, and it needs to hit mass production asap , dont forget the electric carbatterys loose range in the cold weather conditions.!
Much prefer the hydrogen alternative than the regular battery powered cars . I wish Ford were investing in it more.
Its just sad how fricking expensive the tankstations for hydrogen fuel are. They really should try to find a way to store and separate hydrogen in fluid and back to gas within their engines. The tank stations for those cost like millions because it has to be cooled to extreme temperatures to pump hydrogen gas without leak into the gas tank.
Simply the fact that refuelling is way faster than charging, makes it a better option than BEV.
Well no, you charge your EV on your own driveway on your own generated power when you are at home, and you dont have to drive 50km to a nearby hydrogen station
@@arnold_2523 It takes hours to charge on a household plug, which once again is inferior to liquid fuel which can refill in minutes.
@@ajstevens1652 how? you come home plug it in, you leave it is full, with solar for free. a mather seconds instead of a 50km detour to a expensive h2o station
@@arnold_2523 So you're requiring yourself to remember to plug it in when you get home? In order to charge off of power generated by fossil fuels unless you have an expensive battery storage system that can store enough excess to charge your car overnight? Hydrogen is cheaper and more practical than that.
@@ajstevens1652 “hydrogen is cheaper” 🤣 well thanks now i spilled my coffee. A kg hydrogen costs 12 euro - 26 euro depending on the station. A kWh from my Solar is free.
I thought your channel does not.... keep up with green and eco cars.. except if it's super fast. Said so in the description.
you could put a hydrogen tank on the back seat to add another 500 km of range
theres 3 tank for that 500km of range
Any chance testing the new facelift BMW x5m competition? Please 🙏🏼 😊
People in "remote areas" will have a hydrogen fueling station nearby? Solar systems can be (and are) installed in any remote area, easily and cheaply.
In japan the new toyota crown is due out in the autumn and they are releasing a fcev sedan option there along with hybrids
you know what's an even better alternative solution to electric cars? E-fuels. Why? Because we can just use the cars we already have instead of having to build new ones.
185 km/h, nearest station to fill her up within 200 km (if so), the usual sound of a microwave, the same digital boredom inside...
How is this convincing to anyone?
My nearest “fuelling” station is 2 meters away and powered by the sun 😎
I can imagine buying one of these and when I bring it to my mechanic he would say: you bought whaat ? I cant imagine how much an hour of labour will cost for these engines, you cant skimp on maintenance when you drive the hindenburg
Same thing when people started buying ICE vehicles from the very beginning. You bought WHAT?! A horse and carriage is much less maintenence... this is the type of thinking that inhibits adoption of new technologies.
@@tobias_dahlberg just because a technology is new doesnt mean its better, take for example EVs compared to ICE cars they still suck, range when its cold is reduced by 50% and if you want to do a road trip it will take far longer. If EVs would be better you would see military trucks and tanks being electric but they arent.
@@Chris-hw4mq It obviously doesn't. I believe that we will see an automotive world where ICE, EV and hydrogen vehicles co-exist, doing what they do best. City cars should be EV:s. Last mile delivery can be EV too. Long haul trucking will be a combination of ICE and Hydrogen when the infrastructure improves, etc...
I'm not saying one technology is better than the others but they have their pros and cons and different use-cases. But to be able to improve technologies we need adopters. There won't be any hydrogen infrastructure if people don't start buying or at least showing interest in the technology.
@@Chris-hw4mq that cold weather reduction is a thing of the past. They all have heat pumps now.
So many extra steps instead of just, generate electricity, drive. Large scale battery energy storage is getting more and more common. You can't store hydrogen at home easily, but you can charge at home. Also having a pressurized tank of the worlds most energy dense gas underneath me is a no no for me. Hydrogen is also super difficult to store and transport, you have two choices, either store it at -253C or at 350-700bar
Holy crap those speedpumps
This is the way forward. All this lithium crap will be dead before we know it. And to those who think it's environmentally friendly are insane. The damage to the environment made by lithium mining is ignored, along with the disposal of the dead batteries. And the lack of infrastructure, sitting in a car for hours waiting for it to charge. The impracticalities of lithium batteries are just massive and completely puts me off ever getting one. I'm sticking with diesel until this is ready. Big fan of hydrogen too!
So much better than the whole battery crap.
I believe this is the future. The benefit of using off peak power to make hydrogen is a key way to achieving system resilience to the grid and thus reduce risk of black outs.
Hydrogen production has major issues in terms of mass producing pretty similar to synthetic e-fuels. In terms of renewable hydrogen their is only soo much solar, wind etc.. in terms of land u can use. U need alot of land to place these things and they produce small amounts of clean hydrogen.
It's not more difficult than pumping oil from the bottom of an ocean in form of sand and then purifying it through 8 million different processes to make fuel. It's just that it's not profitable anymore. Any alternative to oil industry is viable but the oil industry wants to make it sound like it isn't because they wanna keep the profits to themselves.
yep. And that's why electric vehicles are way more efficient.
@@MrMarpra Why is efficiency the only keyword for electric-fans? Some in theory slightly more efficient cars won't change the world while there are thousands of ships burning millions of tons of oil per day. Btw, electric cars aren't more efficient
@@bronin2642 because saving energy is essential for reducing emissions. Producing hydrogen for cars is wasting energy. Electric cars get 90% of energy put in moving. Hydrogen cars are about only 40%. So you are clearly wrong, btw.
@@bronin2642 Those ships are shockingly good for the environment. Sure the emissions are staggering by the amount of things they move is amazing. They produce less than 1/20 of the emissions a truck would per tonne kilometre (meaning total emissions divided the distance travelled and the tons carried)
The feulcell is taking H2 and O2 and making H2O. Not splitting it.
This is the Future - of a technology that belongs into a museum. Horribly inefficient.
"transport hydrogen in regular pipe lines"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don’t know what kind of safety measures BMW will be taking but I never liked the idea of carrying a tank of hydrogen that has a pressure of over 5000psi, one fast rear end collision and a punctured tank later, you are blown up. Don’t really like the idea of that
Never drive a Pinto than ot any old American ICE car with the gas tank in the crumple zone😂
Bravo, BMW and Toyota! This is the future for cars and not all those stupid EV's!
Lithium is one of the most abundant its everywhere, Cobolt is hardly used in batterys and will removed completely before long.
Why would you sit on a complicated bomb that makes electricity .. Just Insane.
Fueling up takes 3 to 4 minutes for the same range as an EV but you can't refuel hydrogen at home. With an EV you get a full "tankt" every morning with 0 minutes of time lost (in everyday driving, doesn't apply on going on holidays)
Great video!
yeah i would love to see hydrogen work out, but they have to trouble shoot a lot of supply and logistical issues for it to be a real option. Electric cars are definitely not a solution in Europe because most people don't have a garage to charge and the cost of electricity is so high that petrol cars are cheaper even in the long term. Places like in the US where electricity is dirt cheap and there are vast amounts of charging networks improving everyday but for other parts of the world they are just not a realistic option
Nam X. Such a nice project
hydrogen bomb under the seats, not thank you I better burn slowly in the electric ones 🤣🤣🤣
You must be slow...
This is exactly the future, besides E-Fuels. Hydrogen cars are so much more important than normal electric cars because of tons of reasons. It will safe a lot of jobs which will be lost with the dead of regular engines (building hydrogen cells, generate hydrogen, transport, gas stations and so on) and as you said we already have the infrastructure. Happy you showed us BMW's effort on this very important tech. This needs much much more promotion.
We don't already have the infrastructure
@@7ludi False. We already have the transport vessels, trucks, fuel stations, refineries and spare parts supply chains. No gigantic overhaul of electricity grid needed.
@@ajstevens1652 all of those have to be remade for hydrogen. Hydrogen has to be either stored at extremely high pressure or at extremely low temperature. You can’t just put it in ordinary fuel tankers or gas stations. Electricity is transported on simple lines and you can make your one at home and off the grid
Super cool hope this will succeed
Cobalt is being now not present in many new battery technologies, moreover Chile and Australia have large deposits of lithium. colbalt always has and always will be needed for petrol creation
Really interesting
In large vehicles, boats, trucks etc, it might make sense for personal transport vehicles hydrogen fuel cells are not cost effective, not environmentally friendly and make no sense at all.
Very beautiful car
Thanks for the explanation 🙌
Ngl, i’m a lil scared. What if the a few from the first 5000 production cars or so explode or smth. Like the samsung phone thing with the batteries exploding few years ago
Neither lithium nor cobalt are Rare Earth elements and you don't need cobalt anymore for batteries. Hydrogen is not the future unless massive corruption happens, hydrogen refuelling stations are too expensive and the drive train is 3 times less efficient than a fully electric one due to the fundamental issues of conversion
Very cool to think of how much less pollution will be produced with this kind of technology. People forget the big mining and destruction of lands and the dirty work overall that is involved in harvesting lithium and nickel and zinc and all the other byproducts necessary to make these huge powerful lithium batteries for EV’s. Yes it’s a major improvement from combustion engines but the work necessary to create lithium battery’s and all of that is much more complicated than some people realize when they think they’re helping to save the planet by going electric.
This. Lithium battery cars just replace one evil with another. The fact is even modern Euro 6 and 7 diesels are cleaner than petrol cars, yet diesel is being strangled. The fact is it's all about making money and keeping economies going. Who do you think lobbies for the changes? The car manufacturers to governments. Governments get kick-backs in tax, they enforce "environmental" laws, and markets are forced to switch to electric lithium cars even though they are garbage still. I laugh every time I fill up my tank of diesel (good for 1200km), and I see families waiting in their Tesla's for their batteries to charge. I don't want that, but that's what we're being forced to do to drive the economy.
Bmw is always 10 years in the future in comparison with the other companies
Not really. There were hydrogen powered cars over 40 years ago.......
just a small nuclear reactor underneath your feet ahahah
You are 100% right Max, hydrogen is the way to go, the only environmentally friendly way. However hope is not lost for the ICE as Toyota shows and we can have a mix of fuel cells and hydrogen combustion engines. Also I heard that for the fuel cell you need platinum that is also scarce, so that’s another reason to build hydrogen combustion engine vehicles
Engineering Explained guy explained why Hydrogen ICE cars are not possible. There is no hope for Hydrogen ICE cars if he is correct. The only future of ICE cars is E fuels.
There's some progress on carbon coated nickle based catalysts at least to replace the requirement for platinum which should make fuel cells cheaper. Though that's not to say that H2 ICE isn't viable, I can definitely see it being loved for racing as it still has that engine roar which Toyota is currently researching with their race car (already participating races here in Japan). They're also better for racing since refueling time is crucial for longer races.
@@ryoukokonpaku1575 that’s good news! But I think that hydrogen ICE could well also be used on the roads by enthusiasts as there is no reason why it couldn’t be street legal, but for A to B commuters electric motors are a great solution if they are more efficient. The main aspect is that if we produce clean energy in abundance using renewables and nuclear power we won’t need to worry so much about efficiency and we could still enjoy a V8
Great video, very well explained
Those engine warnings are nothing special about driving a concept car. It's a BMW, so that's completely normal.
Hydrogen is just too expensive to generate, compress, store, distribute, store, dispense and store again. It will require a lot of infrastructure development before that becomes anywhere close to the performance of batteries from a cost effective perspective.
It’s a nice alternative, you don’t need batteries, but you need the hydrogen, wich is expensive, and you start depending on companies to supply that to you again, like petrol.
With the electric car with batteries, you have the cons of having a battery but you are autonomous in your home, you even can charge with solar panels if you wish, and batteries will evolve with solid state, materials etc.
One more thing that I can think of is that you need the entire front of the car for the hydrogen converter unlike battery cars that can put an electric motor in the front and 2 in the back for example.
Anyways it’s a nice technology we should welcome
Btw I have an electric car, and I pay 4€ to 5€ more or less for doing 1500km a month charging at home…. That’s unbeatable 😝😉
You think with batteries countries are getting independent ?
Btw the first hydrogen car is moroccan car "namx"
The future of cars that will never come. Hydrogen is too expensive, too inefficient. It has its benefits, but it won’t come for passenger cars
A couple things to point out:
- Lithium is not rare at all, but on the contrary a very abbundant element in the Earths crust.
- Producing hydrogen (using the carbon free, electrolysis method) requires a lot of energy. Currently 30% of energy is lost.
- Hydrogen is a nightmare to store. Liquifying it requires temperatures of -250°C, so you essentialy have to store it in the gas form. It has to be pressurised to around 700 bar, which cost additional energy.
- You have to get it to the fueling stations. Very few pipelines exist, so it would require massive investments and decades of construction to have a viable transport infrastructure. The alternative is to use fuel trucks requires energy and increases cost.
- Converting hydrogen to electricity in fuel cell is also not 100% efficient. It is more like 80-90%.
To sumarise, energy efficiency of the hydrogen vehicle (from hydro production to el. motor) would by around 30%. Normal EV with battery has efficiency of around 70%. So we would need a lot of cheap and abundant electricity to make hydrogen work. Some day in the future maybe, but currently not really.
Damn… was this video sponsored by BMW or Toyota or something? It’s quite a different video style from usual, and you say a lot of supposed advantages of hydrogen fuel cell cars, without mentioning the absurd cost of hydrogen infrastructure, or the fact that there is no feasible way to mass-produce hydrogen gas without using fossil fuels.
Spoiler no it's not for cars. We can't build infrastructure and we're talking 20€ per 100km at least! It's so friggin inefficient...
your talking shit man, hydrogen cars are dead from the start and not growing if you knew any numbers on that topic haha
Max is only reading the script from there sponsor, BMW.
This is the real feature
Thanks for this informational video. I always interesting hydrogen cars working details. ❤
12:50 so one refueling station every 200km in 7 years? So if you live somewhere in between, you have to drive max. 100km to your gas station? I can charge my EV in my friggin garage...
13:15 "its much more flexible" 🤣🤣🤣 no it's not, mate! A remote area has electricity, but no hydrogen station. Get an EV and maybe build a battery swap station like Nio does (already available for customers)
This car is so beautiful
Toen ik 23 jaar geleden op de basisschool zat had ik al een spreekbeurt gegeven over dit onderwerp (waterstof/fuel cells).
Laat lang op zich wachten...
Just a friendly heads up, this video is sponsored by BMW, a company that has a partnership with Toyota, known for their investment in fuel cells. So, it's possible there's a bias. But let's consider the bigger picture. Electric vehicles are undeniably the way of the future with their numerous advantages. We're talking about a widespread charging infrastructure, higher energy efficiency, lower costs, and constantly advancing battery technology. It's crucial to be aware of potential biases in sponsored content. Stay informed, seek unbiased sources, and form your own opinion.
Well I had this opinion on hydrogen cars before this video. I just wish that BMW comes out with one. I hate that hydrogen isn't sought out more as a solution for companies. It basically is gas but just not as harmful to the environment. Obviously if there was more invested into the area, there would be cheaper hydrogen fuel.
I really wish more companies look in this view.
No way hydrogen is the way of future, electric is just better in every way, if you have electricity ready to use in a car why would you use it to extract hydrogen from water or other resources to then put into a car which runs with electricity, is such a waste of power, every engineer know that hydrogen will fail miserably
@@Xuzyy "every way"
Not in terms of weight, which is a big drawback, and there's also the issues with charging time and range in cold climates. Be realistic.
You are however absolutely right that producing hydrogen is a woefully inefficient process, and it only makes sense to produce it with excess power that would've otherwise gone to waste. But in the future we'll very likely be able to store that excess power in batteries for later use, so the future of these cars is not that hopeful.
@@xIcarus227 in my opinion no way future cars will run on hydrogen, other vehicles such as planes ye definitely, but not consumer cars.
@@Xuzyy you're such a visionary…
And this is electric future that i can accept, good job BMW!
It's just a concept. Which might not ever get made. Don't get your hopes up.