Just finished the book - devoured it in two days. And I thoroughly enjoyed it. It's a nice thought to imagine Edward lived out his days after 1327 away from danger. Yes, he was flawed but aren't we all. A very sympathetic and emotional man - born to rule but far ahead of his time. Thanks for posting the interview.
I have now read the book and really enjoyed it. It certainly revealed a more relatable Edward than the picture often painted. A deeply flawed man but not without many redeeming qualities. I hope he made it to Italy.
The odd and coy references to Edward II's homosexuality reminds me of my elderly and prudish aunt's summation of a lesbian couple who were her neighbours..."Oh No! there's nothing between them!". My uncle would always quickly retort: "Oh no, not even a bed sheet!"...before rolling his eyes and refilling his whiskey glass.
We'll never really know if Edward and Piers were lovers,but the powerful nobles at the time hated Gaveston,not only because of his arrogant personality,but he was stopping Edward from governing the country properly.Actually,Gaveston's murder by the Earl of Lancaster was also Edward's fault.Despite being banished into exile,Edward recalled him,despite being warned very clearly what would happen if he ignored the ordinances. I actually do feel some sympathy for Edward.He wasn't like his father,and he appeared to have some good qualities.His mistakes in the end though,cost him his life.
The critical weakness of Ms Warner's biography is its embrace of the mythology that Edward didn't die in England but somehow escaped to Italy and comfortable obscurity. This explodes any semblance of credibility. Its tone also hovers close to idolatry, as if no other historian has ever found virtue in Edward.
Amazing story he kidnapped his wife's kids but it was made up ....I've noticed this in alot of histories there I just finnished a 7npage report on the Baguley and Legh Family of Cheshire noticed how alot of traditional stories was taken as historical fact.
I don't believe that was ever a rumour. A popular story was that he had a red hot poker inserted into his behind, however, historians have often capitalised on this spurious story because it helps bolster their claims of homosexuality.
I wouldn't say his sexuality is underplayed. It's the one thing people remember about him isn't it?! Well that and the poker story but the two things are often mentioned in the same breath
It’s become about his sexuality yes (not helped by films like Braveheart) and it’s one thing that Kathryn is trying to challenge with her work, separating the facts from the mythology that’s been built up around him.
@@ViralHistory She certainly does a good job of separating the myth from reality. My point is that her comment that people underplay Edward's potential same sex relationships, saying they were just friends, doesn't ring true in my experience. From school history to conversations with friends people say he was a lover of Gaveston.
Excellent presentation. The speaker knew where she was going with the presentation, and it was not peppered with "Aaaah's,," "Uuuuhmmm's" and that scandallously vulgar and classless non-word utterance, "Gonna."
Just finished the book - devoured it in two days. And I thoroughly enjoyed it. It's a nice thought to imagine Edward lived out his days after 1327 away from danger. Yes, he was flawed but aren't we all. A very sympathetic and emotional man - born to rule but far ahead of his time. Thanks for posting the interview.
I have now read the book and really enjoyed it. It certainly revealed a more relatable Edward than the picture often painted. A deeply flawed man but not without many redeeming qualities. I hope he made it to Italy.
I agree with you. An intriguing individual. A wonderful tomb at Gloucester.
Loved it. Thank you.
Thought you'd like this one April!
I love this. Thank you so much this is one of my favourite story and she did an amazing job. Credit to this young lady
Fantastic. I’ve been following your blog. I’ll order your book.
A wonderful interview. It adds a human scale / dimension to the man. Excellent.
I could listen to this lady all day long!
Isn’t she brilliant!
The odd and coy references to Edward II's homosexuality reminds me of my elderly and prudish aunt's summation of a lesbian couple who were her neighbours..."Oh No! there's nothing between them!". My uncle would always quickly retort: "Oh no, not even a bed sheet!"...before rolling his eyes and refilling his whiskey glass.
I found it helpful to listen to The Lost Tapes of History podcast - ep 10 is Edward II and the Audition!
Excellent book !
I loved this.
Thank you for citing his non heterosexuality and the homophobia shown towards him.
Was it Hugh Dispenser or Piers Gaveston that was referred to as 'the King's husband'? Or both?
I read both books - the best on Edward and Isabella yet!
We'll never really know if Edward and Piers were lovers,but the powerful nobles at the time hated Gaveston,not only because of his arrogant personality,but he was stopping Edward from governing the country properly.Actually,Gaveston's murder by the Earl of Lancaster was also Edward's fault.Despite being banished into exile,Edward recalled him,despite being warned very clearly what would happen if he ignored the ordinances.
I actually do feel some sympathy for Edward.He wasn't like his father,and he appeared to have some good qualities.His mistakes in the end though,cost him his life.
The critical weakness of Ms Warner's biography is its embrace of the mythology that Edward didn't die in England but somehow escaped to Italy and comfortable obscurity. This explodes any semblance of credibility. Its tone also hovers close to idolatry, as if no other historian has ever found virtue in Edward.
My main criticism is that he was repulsed at the idea of bedding Sophie Marceau.
Ah!! You heterosexuals. You just don’t get it. LOL.
king Eward was in the womb for 11 months,because his father was at war,I think there is a break in the royal line,look into it.
We might say he really loved to WATCH blacksmiths (etc.) at work. lol. :)
Amazing story he kidnapped his wife's kids but it was made up ....I've noticed this in alot of histories there I just finnished a 7npage report on the Baguley and Legh Family of Cheshire noticed how alot of traditional stories was taken as historical fact.
So where and when did his murder with a molten lead enema story come up?
I don't believe that was ever a rumour. A popular story was that he had a red hot poker inserted into his behind, however, historians have often capitalised on this spurious story because it helps bolster their claims of homosexuality.
I wouldn't say his sexuality is underplayed. It's the one thing people remember about him isn't it?! Well that and the poker story but the two things are often mentioned in the same breath
It’s become about his sexuality yes (not helped by films like Braveheart) and it’s one thing that Kathryn is trying to challenge with her work, separating the facts from the mythology that’s been built up around him.
@@ViralHistory She certainly does a good job of separating the myth from reality. My point is that her comment that people underplay Edward's potential same sex relationships, saying they were just friends, doesn't ring true in my experience. From school history to conversations with friends people say he was a lover of Gaveston.
i'm related to him but have never bothered to learn about him aha. time to change that!
Are you serious?
@@CancerExl Lots of people of related to English royalty, even some black people. Remember that kings and nobles had bastard children.
@@johnlewis3891 wow i guess your right how cool is that id be looking that up
Excellent presentation. The speaker knew where she was going with the presentation, and it was not peppered with "Aaaah's,," "Uuuuhmmm's" and that scandallously vulgar and classless non-word utterance, "Gonna."
Ahead of his time?! Wow.
he appointed a high counsellor who got thrown out the window by his father
He loved men very modern xD
love her