"What do we have that they should want? We have a wall to work upon!" is a goddamn stunning lyric. I remember showing this to a friend back in 2015 and he was just blown away by how well it aged.
This is the sort of song I would fully expect certain kinds of people to go around singing triumphantly without hint of irony, while resolting to the exact thing the song clearly warns us about...
When seeing this show live, one of my favorite moments is Eurydice's entrance during the interlude at 2:38. Her coming up into Hadestown from under the stage, looking around in horror at what she's seeing is so powerful.
“who do we call the enemy? the enemy is poverty and the wall keeps out the enemy and we build the wall to keep us free thats why we build the wall we build the wall to keep us free”
This is much darker of a musical than what I had originally thought. It kind of reminds me of Urinetown in that light (I LOVE that musically lol it's great). This is so beautiful and well thought out, and I love the twists on the original myth! But omg my heart is crushed lol
I’m really new to this musical so I’m not sure if anyone has noticed or mentioned this before but when Hades is singing the first question the workers add more to the verse to answer his question and they keep on going back and forth like that. It reminds me of when people actually build a wall they have to add more layers. I just thought that was a cool structure they added for this specific song when no other song in this musical was structured like that so I think it was intentional.
This is a really good observation! I didn’t even notice the symbolism of the workers keeping adding the new answer to the song representing them building up a wall!
Part of me wonders if this song will end up like tomorrow belongs to me from Cabaret, Where the people it’s trying to satirize or mock embrace it and see it as showcasing their ideology.
It was super creepy, I saw a production of Cabaret where some of the audience hummed along to Tomorrow Belongs to Me...they didn't hum along to anything else...
I was in a school performance of Cabret and we had tomorrow belong to me and then a reprise and then first time we sang it eveything was normal and it sounded like this really pretty song and then for the reprise when it is was really shown to be a Nazi song I always got chills and i remember the silence afterwards because the audience didn't clap because well Nazis
This song predates the people you think it's trying to mock by about a decade. It's also way too on-point for it; Tomorrow Belongs To Me can be sung unironically in support of Nazis. This is a song unambiguously about your rulers producing meaningless, mind-numbing, back-breaking busywork to keep you in line. It's the themesong of digging a hole just to fill it in so you don't have time to think about anything else.
I came here for this! It was such a powerful introduction of Eurydice in Hadestown, and Hades is so passionate in his response...oh well, I'm assuming it makes more sense in the show.
I've read all of you talking about your love of Patrick's voice so my suggestion is if you haven't heard the hunchback of Notre dame musical you should check it out. He plays a very interesting twist on frollo.
I just realized, the Wall is the layer of ground between the upper side and Hadestown, and they are building the wall, so they are quite literally digging themselves into the ground.
@@toadstoolsandtaverns I've decided to sing "We build the ceiling to keep us free." Not only does it insinuate we have no ceiling, it also insinuates that the lack of ceiling imprisons us lmao
David Kaczynski Yes, but unfortunately for everyone outside of the US (including me) the new songs are geoblocked and therefore unavailable here. But we can listen to them here so I am super grateful for the upload
I might be missing the point, but sometimes when I listen to this song I think about the cruelty of it the place itself (hades town) and this song and what he's doing and want to confront Hades about it like Persephone is trying to. But then what I know about greek mythology kicks in and I'm thinking to myself "Interesting.....you'd try to tell a son of Kronos what is cruel?"
Just gonna copy/paste what I said in another comment: It was written before Trump, but it was not written before the "wall" rhetoric. It's unfortunately been a major talking point in American politics for a long time. Both of the Republican presidential nominees who came before Trump - John McCain (2008) and Mitt Romney (2012) - ran their presidential campaign with border control as one of their chief issues. Both of them sat in the exact same position as Trump on the construction of a border wall, the only difference is that McCain actually wanted MORE to be done to combat immigration. And Romney routinely criticizes people TO THIS DAY who disagree with him on this position saying that they're "politicizing" the issue. All this despite the fact that McCain and Romney were both two of Trumps biggest critics from within the Republican Party. Racist dogwhistles like "building a wall" have been fundamental to the Republican Party for decades. Look up the Southern Strategy. This did not start with Trump, and his defeat is not the end of it. This rot is systemic in American politics and a radical change must happen for it to be overcome. This song is pretty clearly a critique of American politics even if it's not a criticism of Trump specifically.
I don't doubt that Trump would think that he was on the same level as Hades since Hades as well as King of the Underworld and God of the Dead he was also the God of Wealth since anything valuable that comes from under the ground (minerals, stones, probably coal and oil) is his, which also means that if the Ancient Greeks got it right than anytime we dig or mine or pump anything we're stealing from him. I'd love to see Hades kick Trump to the curb though, let them know they are not and never have been anywhere near on the same level.
Dude thanks for the lyrics n shit but I think most programs have an option to manually adjust the space between the letters. The space bars are a little awkward to say the least.
All of the songs that have been released are in my playlist here: ua-cam.com/play/PLayqijqYv9BwAwdvskTB5cCqRxYVKUC2t.html I'll upload as frequently as I can, preferably the same day/day after as the drops.
I'm still so confused...."behind closed doors" seems to refer to signing the papers to give her soul to Hades but they make it sound like Hades and Eurydice bang and ewwwwwwwww I hope not
Officially I don’t think they do, but... then there’s lyrics like ‘Hades laid his hands on you’ (as well as the general vibe of Hey Little Songbird) that sound very deliberately suggestive (or at least, they’re not the kind of lines you can just write ‘accidentally’ without realising the implications) so honestly who knows 🤷🏻♀️
@@ironflowers977 There's also a lyric in Flowers (Eurydice's solo in act 2) that goes something like "He told me 'you won't feel a thing my dear, when you go down''", which also reminds me of a lyric in chant ii that persephone sings to eurydice that goes "I let him lay me down" or something like that, so I think it's kind of implied their relationship borders on being sexual, as well as the fact that Eurydice is literally selling her body (via hard labour)
When I first heard this I thought it was a stab at Trump, but I realized that it was written in 2010. This is actually not about Trump since it is a parallel of the Great Depression.
@@lemonace6695 Trump is really not bad though. I honestly thought that this was a musical that was trying to bash Trump. The wall was greatly needed. I bet you don't even know why it was made.
3:34 The enemy is Donald Trump And the wall keeps out the enemy And we build the wall to keep Trump out That's why we build the wall We build the wall to keep Trump out *WE BUILD THE WALL TO KEEP TRUMP OUT*
fritz has to be one of my top five most hated characters in fiction its saying something when even the people who defend someone who killed 1.6 billion people wont even try to defend fritz
The ironic thing is that this song was written years before Trump even announced his campaign. But fearmongering tyrants will always be around in some form, I guess.
I've heard the phrase 'politics ruin everything', but never quite realized it's scale till I saw the comment section's of songs like this, where a huge portion of the comments are using a broadway musical song with lyrics as a place to get on their political soapboxes. It's a song from a dated musical, people, it's not about Trump. Just enjoy a damn song for what it is.
You do still recognize what the moral of the story is meant to be in this song? It isn't about Trump, but it is very very relevant to what Trump and many before him stood for. As long as there are people in real world, who'll keep falling for this sort of rhetoric, there's nothing dated about it. And personally I do find heeding the moral is pretty integral to fully appreciating the song for what it is.
@@jondoe7036 It's a song and alagory to oppose isolationism, not a cry for open borders, and yes, there is something between those extremes, and that's what trump and a lot of the people accused of rhetoric were on about as they call to respect we have a boarder, and control immigration. It's the knee jerk reaction that is why the language has gotten to where it's at, and still has nothing to do with Trump, or any individual. It's just people here to insert their political biases into somewhere it don't belong. But oh right,...can't exist post 2016 if we can't find a way to bend everything to trash Trump. it'll be 2050 and people will still be inserting his name where it don't belong to trash him, and it'll still be just as stupid then as it is now, as it has been since it started.
@@fearmusrozenrot1864 When you start building walls on national border going two ways, there's generally only one kind of message you're sending with that action, amplified in this latest case by the noice made over the prospect of forcing the other side pay for it. With everything said and done, I'm hard-pressed to see trashing that Trump has received as unjustified; given the damage he'd caused to international relationships and national security and all the ways in which he'd made whole lot of Americans feel unsafe, it's very much a bed he made for himself.
@@jondoe7036 The forcing other side to pay...a comment made once, with no action behind it, and no intent to be let through if he tried...has nothing to do with any of it. And given he actually was pretty good for /some/ international relations, bad for others, makes him exactly par the course for a president...just the media actually covered the bad PR this time, they usually ignore it. That said, not saying he didn't catch quite a bit of well deserved crap, but the existence of a boarder and enforcement of it is not the same as isolationism. However, opponents to respecting country boarders think if you limit people coming in in mass floods, your isolationist, and that's absolutely not the truth. Not even close to comparable to the truth. However, every angle except where the wall is concerned is irrelevent to the point made here, and the wall comparison is also equally irrelevent as it's comparison only exists if you blatently lie to yourself about what the purpose of it was, and the meaning of the song, to conflate them.
@@fearmusrozenrot1864 Doesn't really matter for how scummy of a comment it was coming from a leader of a superpower regardless and the wall itself was still no less of a pipe-dream; were it to succeed, it would have been an aggressive blunt force solution to a complex nuanced issue, that seemed questionable at best in its effectiveness, especially given how costly it would have been, and also pretty blatantly antagonistic move from Mexico's standpoint. Trump alienated pretty much all of the leaders of his ally nations (atleast in Europe) while being all buddy-buddy with despots like Putin and Kim, atleast the first of whom seemed to be straigth up playing him. That doesn't strike me as "par for course" atleast since the end of the Cold War.
This is the first musical in which my dream role is the ensemble
I would wanna be in the ensamble or a fate.
i would kill to play literally anyone, this show is so amazing 😭😭😭
It's the second for me because I want to dance with cute ensemble guys in Hamilton 😅
I wanna play Eurydice, she's great for my casting type!
I am in the ensemble 😊
I was going to comment that Patrick Page is a God, but I realized that would’ve been too on the nose
we-
they-
She-
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This is irony at it's purest!
And Patrick Page is so amazing- it's crazy to think his biggest insecurity growing up was his voice.
I love how each part of the song builds on itself like a wall being built up.
"What do we have that they should want? We have a wall to work upon!" is a goddamn stunning lyric. I remember showing this to a friend back in 2015 and he was just blown away by how well it aged.
These instrumentals are absolutely stunning
Steph Piano I see you absolutely everywhere
@@xhappyponyxwasmyoldname1395 Why thank you I try lol
This is the sort of song I would fully expect certain kinds of people to go around singing triumphantly without hint of irony, while resolting to the exact thing the song clearly warns us about...
0:53 BLOODY HELL PATRICK PAGE
Steph Piano holy moly guacamole this here man deserves the tony (this became a poem)
Why did I read that in Ron Weasley’s voice?
I literally had to grip the bars on my loft bed.
And the Alto if the year award goes to..
@@umbree4548 i think you mean bass, alto is a female voice
When seeing this show live, one of my favorite moments is Eurydice's entrance during the interlude at 2:38. Her coming up into Hadestown from under the stage, looking around in horror at what she's seeing is so powerful.
I just saw this show live and I agree, that moment gave me chills
Thinking about how Hades and Orpheus both have the ability to completely charm a crowd, but while Orpheus does it for good, Hades does it for power.
“who do we call the enemy? the enemy is poverty and the wall keeps out the enemy and we build the wall to keep us free thats why we build the wall we build the wall to keep us free”
This is much darker of a musical than what I had originally thought. It kind of reminds me of Urinetown in that light (I LOVE that musically lol it's great). This is so beautiful and well thought out, and I love the twists on the original myth! But omg my heart is crushed lol
No offense, but it's based on a greek myth about tragic love, did you expect it to not be dark?
@@Azrael666Azazel I mean not everyone knows the myth I guess.
RIGHT!! urinetown was arguably more comical tho lol
This song basicly explains the reasons behind most wars.
I never thought of it that way, now that i think about it, it makes sense
I know right also with the enemy part they are not wrong more and more people are going under because poverty
I’m really new to this musical so I’m not sure if anyone has noticed or mentioned this before but when Hades is singing the first question the workers add more to the verse to answer his question and they keep on going back and forth like that. It reminds me of when people actually build a wall they have to add more layers. I just thought that was a cool structure they added for this specific song when no other song in this musical was structured like that so I think it was intentional.
That's the point lol
It also demonstrates the circular logic
This is a really good observation! I didn’t even notice the symbolism of the workers keeping adding the new answer to the song representing them building up a wall!
Part of me wonders if this song will end up like tomorrow belongs to me from Cabaret, Where the people it’s trying to satirize or mock embrace it and see it as showcasing their ideology.
It was super creepy, I saw a production of Cabaret where some of the audience hummed along to Tomorrow Belongs to Me...they didn't hum along to anything else...
I was in a school performance of Cabret and we had tomorrow belong to me and then a reprise and then first time we sang it eveything was normal and it sounded like this really pretty song and then for the reprise when it is was really shown to be a Nazi song I always got chills and i remember the silence afterwards because the audience didn't clap because well Nazis
That‘s exactly what happened.
This song predates the people you think it's trying to mock by about a decade. It's also way too on-point for it; Tomorrow Belongs To Me can be sung unironically in support of Nazis. This is a song unambiguously about your rulers producing meaningless, mind-numbing, back-breaking busywork to keep you in line. It's the themesong of digging a hole just to fill it in so you don't have time to think about anything else.
Could very easily happen. It's a very "badass" song, very easy to get caught up in just how cool it sounds.
I love Page's voice here, it really sounds like a boss
This song aged stunningly well 😅
😅😐
I miss eurydice’s solo in the middle there :(
Brooke Kennedy when you see the show It doesn’t make any sense to have her sing
Claire M I know, I just love eva
i saw the show last week and it was there! maybe just the cast recording took it out.
I came here for this! It was such a powerful introduction of Eurydice in Hadestown, and Hades is so passionate in his response...oh well, I'm assuming it makes more sense in the show.
Mr Kupe I saw it in previews and she didn’t sing?
Though written years before Trump and his "wall", these lyrics are quite pointed.
America is Hadestown in this scenario?
@@somesinger1575 and Hades is......you-know-who.
@@lonellfletcher Voldemort?
Elliot Schwartz huh?
Life imitates art
I've read all of you talking about your love of Patrick's voice so my suggestion is if you haven't heard the hunchback of Notre dame musical you should check it out. He plays a very interesting twist on frollo.
I just realized, the Wall is the layer of ground between the upper side and Hadestown, and they are building the wall, so they are quite literally digging themselves into the ground.
Now I'm just angry because that's not a wall, that's a roof.
@@icarusavery5691 that's a tomb.
@@icarusavery5691 it would be more like a ceiling, the roof is the other side of the “wall” with the living
@@toadstoolsandtaverns I've decided to sing "We build the ceiling to keep us free."
Not only does it insinuate we have no ceiling, it also insinuates that the lack of ceiling imprisons us lmao
Y’all I just noticed the guitar in 2:39 plays the same tune as “who lays all the best plans” in His Kiss The Riot
ahhh the instrumentals and guitar especially and it progressed so much from the concept album ^-^ I'm smiling
Alternative title: ✨Capitalism✨
Based from the comments, I guess it's time to say this... *ehem*
*_i WaNt tO bE iN ThE rOoM WhErE iT hApPenS_*
Teastop PH
Pardon me, are you Aaron Burr, sir?
Xx Royally Tobi xX that depends who’s asking
@Claire Bressi I'm at your service, sir
Linzoka I have been looking for you
@Karma Akabane When I got sort of out of sorts with a buddy of yours...
Thanks so much for doing these, I'm in the UK and still can't access the new drop :(
David Kaczynski Yes, but unfortunately for everyone outside of the US (including me) the new songs are geoblocked and therefore unavailable here. But we can listen to them here so I am super grateful for the upload
My dream at this moment is to able to watch this musical, unfortunately I'm Brazilian so that's kind of impossible :/
same here, from México :,(
From Uruguay, same pain :/
Entendo tua dor...
I feel you. I’m literally on the other side of the world in a country where theater is a joke
You can't watch it in person, but there are "slime tutorials" on UA-cam, and it'll show what you want to see.
2:06 My Fave Part
Same
I might be missing the point, but sometimes when I listen to this song I think about the cruelty of it the place itself (hades town) and this song and what he's doing and want to confront Hades about it like Persephone is trying to. But then what I know about greek mythology kicks in and I'm thinking to myself "Interesting.....you'd try to tell a son of Kronos what is cruel?"
Remember when the wall was just part of a play?
This man could easily casted as Andrey 2 in little shop if horrors
This song would be great in a documentary about the berlin wall for obvious reasons
Oh righttt!
Genuinely thought this song was a satire of Trump before I realized when it was written
its a commentary on facism and authoritarianism. if the shoe fits and all that.
Just gonna copy/paste what I said in another comment:
It was written before Trump, but it was not written before the "wall" rhetoric. It's unfortunately been a major talking point in American politics for a long time.
Both of the Republican presidential nominees who came before Trump - John McCain (2008) and Mitt Romney (2012) - ran their presidential campaign with border control as one of their chief issues. Both of them sat in the exact same position as Trump on the construction of a border wall, the only difference is that McCain actually wanted MORE to be done to combat immigration. And Romney routinely criticizes people TO THIS DAY who disagree with him on this position saying that they're "politicizing" the issue.
All this despite the fact that McCain and Romney were both two of Trumps biggest critics from within the Republican Party.
Racist dogwhistles like "building a wall" have been fundamental to the Republican Party for decades. Look up the Southern Strategy. This did not start with Trump, and his defeat is not the end of it. This rot is systemic in American politics and a radical change must happen for it to be overcome.
This song is pretty clearly a critique of American politics even if it's not a criticism of Trump specifically.
I don't doubt that Trump would think that he was on the same level as Hades since Hades as well as King of the Underworld and God of the Dead he was also the God of Wealth since anything valuable that comes from under the ground (minerals, stones, probably coal and oil) is his, which also means that if the Ancient Greeks got it right than anytime we dig or mine or pump anything we're stealing from him. I'd love to see Hades kick Trump to the curb though, let them know they are not and never have been anywhere near on the same level.
“Anybody wanna drink?”
It instantly reminded me of Paradis Island of Attack on Titan. King Fritz's perspective.
thank you, cultured person, i came here looking for people to make that comparison
#HadestownfortheTony
it won best musical!!
z. I know I’m so Happy 👍🏻
So, in short;
We build a wall... to have a wall 😎
This song has big trump energy
not dipper pines sadly...
It's not about Trump, it was written ten years ago
@@Jay-ug8kl And still, it's sadly accurate.
@@Jay-ug8kl it‘s a song about how paradoxical and brainwashed ppl like trump supporters are. It‘s a satire on ppl like trump and his fans.
@@takke9830 it’s also a good satire on America during the War On Terror
Dude thanks for the lyrics n shit but I think most programs have an option to manually adjust the space between the letters.
The space bars are a little awkward to say the least.
Ahhhh so good, when will you add these to the playlist?? :)
Yup, just added them! :D
Lumina Pontmercy I’m having issues watching the new ones apparently they are copyrighted
@@olivertransmale2630 Yeah, I filed a claim :/ Hopefully they'll be unblocked soon
Lumina Pontmercy I know :(
Lumina Pontmercy have you tried re uploading them?
This song certainly aged.
Don't play with matches
tbh like the cover better. might be because it got me into this.
YES
Fellow member of the Volunteer Fire Department right here
Honestly this song is lowkey a criticism of modern America and the darkness in capitalism
Patrick Page Bass ever. Bass!!
is hades the same man who played Frollo in Hunchback?
Yes!
Who else is here after watching the new Helluva Boss?
This is song is the musical version of Simon Says
Lmao Aot be like
Exactly what I was thinking
how many other songs have been released already/ are you able to upload soon?
All of the songs that have been released are in my playlist here: ua-cam.com/play/PLayqijqYv9BwAwdvskTB5cCqRxYVKUC2t.html I'll upload as frequently as I can, preferably the same day/day after as the drops.
This song hits differently after learning what Eva did while waiting for the lift to take her up
What did she do?
Ayyyy paradis island
Damn i thought the same thing
I'm still so confused...."behind closed doors" seems to refer to signing the papers to give her soul to Hades but they make it sound like Hades and Eurydice bang and ewwwwwwwww I hope not
That does NOT happen, to clarify
@@sophieh3233 That is good thank you
@@sophieh3233 Not necessarily. I think it's up for interpretation in the show. They go behind a set of doors and you don't see what comes next.
Officially I don’t think they do, but... then there’s lyrics like ‘Hades laid his hands on you’ (as well as the general vibe of Hey Little Songbird) that sound very deliberately suggestive (or at least, they’re not the kind of lines you can just write ‘accidentally’ without realising the implications) so honestly who knows 🤷🏻♀️
@@ironflowers977 There's also a lyric in Flowers (Eurydice's solo in act 2) that goes something like "He told me 'you won't feel a thing my dear, when you go down''", which also reminds me of a lyric in chant ii that persephone sings to eurydice that goes "I let him lay me down" or something like that, so I think it's kind of implied their relationship borders on being sexual, as well as the fact that Eurydice is literally selling her body (via hard labour)
Ok but I started to think about Donald Trump while listening to it
2:20 to 2:40. Hades town auditions
This sounds like the lady who swallowed a fly.
Where did u make the lyrics at? What app is it?
Came here from tiktok, hello aot fans
henlo
Wow related a lot to Paradis Island if you know what I mean
IKR !
SNK/Attack on Titan energy 🤯👌🏻
When I first heard this I thought it was a stab at Trump, but I realized that it was written in 2010. This is actually not about Trump since it is a parallel of the Great Depression.
In the end is still a stab on Trump, just an unintencional one. It was about all the other hystorical walls. Trump just wanted to be part of it
@@lemonace6695 Trump is really not bad though. I honestly thought that this was a musical that was trying to bash Trump. The wall was greatly needed. I bet you don't even know why it was made.
@@nojustaveryverytallboi3657 yikes
@@nojustaveryverytallboi3657 it was made to keep us free
@@nojustaveryverytallboi3657 umm well i hate to break it to you trump is not... good...
Did the eldians make this?
When trump wins the election this song better play or im rioting
I’m listening to it now! Get back here and blast it!
Do you have…a match?
*Trump has entered the chat*
Attack on titan fan here🖐️
DID THIS SONG JUST DESCRIBED THE PARADIS ISLAND WHAT DJAODJFIUHFBDV
3:34
The enemy is Donald Trump
And the wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep Trump out
That's why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep Trump out
*WE BUILD THE WALL TO KEEP TRUMP OUT*
Attack on titan vibes anyone? Its like King Fritz talking to his people
fritz has to be one of my top five most hated characters in fiction its saying something when even the people who defend someone who killed 1.6 billion people wont even try to defend fritz
High-key describing Attack on Titan
Never thought about it like that 🤔
Donald Trump logic
The ironic thing is that this song was written years before Trump even announced his campaign. But fearmongering tyrants will always be around in some form, I guess.
this. describes paradis island.
Why this also describes Paradis Island on Attack on Titan?
Paradise island vibes
edolon
Imagine King Fritz, the colossal titans, and the old eldians singing this while building the wall for eldia ;;;;;
This describes exactly the people of Paradise in Attack On Titan!!!!!!!!!!
Ppl here talking abt trump... but i think this is king fritz
Hey there dear weeb, ik why you're here!
Yes we all are subjects of yimir!
This is paradis island💀🖐️
Literally paradis island
Aot?
@Cassie Doerksen 👌
WE ALL ARE SUBJECTS OF YIMIR!
PARADIS ISLAND
SHINZOU WO SASAGEYO
aot fans where u at
Paradis Island in Attack on Titan...
Aot 👁👄👁
I've heard the phrase 'politics ruin everything', but never quite realized it's scale till I saw the comment section's of songs like this, where a huge portion of the comments are using a broadway musical song with lyrics as a place to get on their political soapboxes. It's a song from a dated musical, people, it's not about Trump. Just enjoy a damn song for what it is.
You do still recognize what the moral of the story is meant to be in this song?
It isn't about Trump, but it is very very relevant to what Trump and many before him stood for. As long as there are people in real world, who'll keep falling for this sort of rhetoric, there's nothing dated about it.
And personally I do find heeding the moral is pretty integral to fully appreciating the song for what it is.
@@jondoe7036 It's a song and alagory to oppose
isolationism, not a cry for open borders, and yes, there is something between those extremes, and that's what trump and a lot of the people accused of rhetoric were on about as they call to respect we have a boarder, and control immigration. It's the knee jerk reaction that is why the language has gotten to where it's at, and still has nothing to do with Trump, or any individual. It's just people here to insert their political biases into somewhere it don't belong. But oh right,...can't exist post 2016 if we can't find a way to bend everything to trash Trump. it'll be 2050 and people will still be inserting his name where it don't belong to trash him, and it'll still be just as stupid then as it is now, as it has been since it started.
@@fearmusrozenrot1864 When you start building walls on national border going two ways, there's generally only one kind of message you're sending with that action, amplified in this latest case by the noice made over the prospect of forcing the other side pay for it.
With everything said and done, I'm hard-pressed to see trashing that Trump has received as unjustified; given the damage he'd caused to international relationships and national security and all the ways in which he'd made whole lot of Americans feel unsafe, it's very much a bed he made for himself.
@@jondoe7036 The forcing other side to pay...a comment made once, with no action behind it, and no intent to be let through if he tried...has nothing to do with any of it. And given he actually was pretty good for /some/ international relations, bad for others, makes him exactly par the course for a president...just the media actually covered the bad PR this time, they usually ignore it.
That said, not saying he didn't catch quite a bit of well deserved crap, but the existence of a boarder and enforcement of it is not the same as isolationism. However, opponents to respecting country boarders think if you limit people coming in in mass floods, your isolationist, and that's absolutely not the truth. Not even close to comparable to the truth. However, every angle except where the wall is concerned is irrelevent to the point made here, and the wall comparison is also equally irrelevent as it's comparison only exists if you blatently lie to yourself about what the purpose of it was, and the meaning of the song, to conflate them.
@@fearmusrozenrot1864 Doesn't really matter for how scummy of a comment it was coming from a leader of a superpower regardless and the wall itself was still no less of a pipe-dream; were it to succeed, it would have been an aggressive blunt force solution to a complex nuanced issue, that seemed questionable at best in its effectiveness, especially given how costly it would have been, and also pretty blatantly antagonistic move from Mexico's standpoint.
Trump alienated pretty much all of the leaders of his ally nations (atleast in Europe) while being all buddy-buddy with despots like Putin and Kim, atleast the first of whom seemed to be straigth up playing him. That doesn't strike me as "par for course" atleast since the end of the Cold War.