DEF CON 25 - Richard Thieme - When Privacy Goes Poof! Why It's Gone and Never Coming Back
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- "Get over it!" as Scott McNeeley said - unhelpfully. Only if we understand why it is gone and not coming back do we have a shot at rethinking what privacy means in a new context. Thieme goes deep and wide as he rethinks the place of privacy in the new social/cultural context and challenges contemporary discussions to stop using 20th century frames. Pictures don't fit those frames, including pictures of "ourselves."
We have always known we were cells in a body, but we emphasized "cell-ness". Now we have to emphasize "body-ness" and see ourselves differently. What we see depends on the level of abstraction at which we look. The boundaries we imagine around identities, psyches, private internal spaces," are violated in both directions, going in and going out, by data that, when aggregated, constitutes "us". We are known by others more deeply in recombination from metadata than we know ourselves. We are not who we think we are.
To understand privacy - even what we mean by "individuals" who want it - requires a contrary opinion. Privacy is honored in lip service, but not in the marketplace, where it is violated every day. To confront the challenges of technological change, we have to know what is happening to "us" so we can re-imagine what we mean by privacy, security, and identity. We can't say what we can't think. We need new language to grasp our own new "human nature" that has been reconstituted from elements like orange juice.
The weakest link in discussions of privacy is the definition of privacy, and the definition of privacy is not what we think. Buddhists call enlightenment a "nightmare in daylight", yet it is enlightenment still, and that kind of clarity is the goal of this presentation.
"Back then you were all hackers, so we played spot the fed, now you're all feds so we play spot the hacker."
If you have ever attended defcon years previous of 22 compared to afterward, you'll note a huge difference in tone and feel. It's quite a shame, really.
I love what defcon represented, but it's becoming more and more of a corporate recruitment and technology retreat it seems.
Extremely upset this was cut short. Mr. Thieme Is a fucking legend... If he wants 4 hours to present (though I doubt he would ask for such a length of time) he should be given said amount of time.
Interesting analysis of the changes of boundaries and individuality that are occurring in the 21st century, very little discussion about how it is actually affecting privacy and why we can't/won't get it back.
Such bullshit that got cut short!!! Expecially when it's a legend at the podium. Very disappointed in DEFCON
The way he talks about the changing porous nature of the nation-state reminds me of Peter Sloterdijk's Spheres trilogy.
Exactly what i have been thinking!! Great speech..
only 45 minutes jeez
@ 33:13 Wrong! Rights did not come from the Magna Carta, Bill of Rights or any other such piece of paper. What these documents attempted to do - badly, in hindsight - was to recognise and enumerate the pre-existing, natural rights that all human beings are born with.
kurt44mg42 no. I'm sorry, but if that were the case, the rights would have been obliged even if not in writing.
That opening ROFL!
7 Billion nations of one.
Well one thing he did get wrong, England existed and formed into a unified state in 10th century long before the printing press invented 1440.
Ewan Marshall you are correct; however, they really didn't make a huge impact on the world until the 14th century.
Really fascinating and eye-opening speech. But ... what was up with the stuff about UFO's and aliens in the middle there? that was kind of weird
As I've learned from observing many intelligent people with many different views, people aren't always right about everything. Someone can be the sanest and most knowledgeable person in the room on one subject, and a complete whackjob on another.
*Privacy* 1590s, "a private matter, a secret;" c. 1600 as "seclusion," from private (adj.) + abstract noun suffix -cy. Meaning "state of freedom from intrusion" is from 1814. Earlier was privatie (late 14c. as "secret, mystery;" c. 1400 as "a secret, secret deed; solitude, privacy"), from Old French privauté.
Etymology information on the word itself. To me it's a rather abstract and unrealistic goal to be secluded from the rest of the world..and use worldwide networking technology at the same time...
This guy come from TEDx, talks, talks, talks and says nothing.
Boo
Aboga boga boga boga