Fair enough some of you saying the book changed your opinion on Noel the only reason this very average if even average drummer was able to write a book or is even known is because of Noel fucking Gallagher. Taking Noel on face value hearing interviews with him on radio television as well as articles about him he's a fucking top bloke so if the book made you change your opinion because a slightly resentful drummer who it is known didn't get on with Noel its you who are the wankers. LIVE FORVER
thing about him he was a good drummer you dont have to be technically amazing to be good drummer he just keep it simple and it worked on definitely maybe
This must be bullshit. No way Beckham had a Ferrari in 1993. He was only 17/18 years old and was still in the youth/reserve side and hadn't yet played for the first team.
***** Nah, not back then, he was still on the youth wages and had yet moved onto pro wages actually. Also, Ferguson with very strict with the young players that had come through his youth system and basically banned them from flashy lifestyles, expensive cars and partying etc..until they had proved themselves. I doubt any Man Utd player was driving a Ferrari, especially any 17 or 18 year old. It was different then. Anyway, his first car was this,bought in 1994. and after this, he bought a Ford Escort from Ryan Giggs ;) www.independent.co.uk/voices/campaigns/give-to-gosh/you-can-now-bid-on-david-beckhams-teenage-car-as-part-of-our-give-to-gosh-charity-auction-a6755241.html
Great guy. You don't need to be an amazing drummer to have a successful music career. He played basic drum beats but will go down in history as the original drummer of one of the greatest bands of all time
Mecha Anim they’re just so entertaining, like yeah they were dick but for the most part everything they’d say was the brutal truth, although they did exaggerate the “biggest band in the world” statements. But their personalities and the fact that have have so many great songs in their prime is why so many people love them
@Hugh Jones Yep. That was my point. Maybe I didn't make it clear enough. So many talented people are assholes but we judge their talent by it's self. We don't say "Michael Angelo was a moody prick so that makes him a worse artist." we just know he was a great, genius level artist. If someone said what's he like to have a cuppa tea with then we can say "A fucking moody twat, tbh, Da Vinci was far better company" We are judging these crafts men by their craft not their personality
I agree, love his drumming on Bring It On Down. Love that song in general. Maybe he wasn't a highly skilled drummer but he certainly did the job on Bring...
I played the drums for 30 years ( now retired ), and for what it's worth, Tony did a great job on the 1st album. Not a technical drummer for sure, but that was not required. His ability to play in time has been questioned, I disagree . His built in metronome was excellent. As you say Sam, he suited the album ... perfectly... All the best to you.
@@halcyon289 Exactly..he done exactly as a drummer in a band in thst type always does,play along with the bass and keep time!😁..i dont think he would've been able for morning glory it all got a little bit more 'technical' . Respect✊
Tony McCarroll is a really big part of why Definately Maybe is such a unique sounding album. I also love his energy in the early live gigs, especially doing Headshrinker, Bring it on down, Supersonic etc. I don't buy that he couldn't have done the second album.
ycanionlyevafind1sok He couldn’t have played on morning glory, It wouldn’t have sounded the same. Alan is a very creative drummer songs like wonderwall are proof of that.
Spencer Gregory It's all cos of that goddamn collapse drum fill at the end of "Don't look back in anger" Tony just wouldn't get right and Noel thought "That's it I'm replacing the guy" and being lucky he'd then get famous Steve White's brother Alan. But Tony's still - if not techically better -much more fittin' to Oasis then the ones came after Alan. It's Alan who was too good to be replaced. The other guys had their abilities but they just didn't become part of Oasis.
Tony wasn't the Pete Best of Oasis, he got to play on a massive album, a number one single, the Sheffield Arena, Top of the Pops, and Glastonbury. Chris Hutton is the bloke who really missed the bus
Ringo Starr has never been a fantastic technical drummer. Neither was Nick Mason. But their styles were perfect for the music of The Beatles and Pink Floyd. Both had tremendous feel for the right sound for the song. Same with Tony in the early days of Oasis, he was vital to the sound and drummed on what most people consider their best album. Can't knock him for that, and Noel is out of order for doing so in the past.
safeeuropeanhome I don't understand how Tony has the nerve to call Liam, someone who has tons and tons of physical fights with paparazzi's, been arrested on several occasions and got banned from an airline called Cathay Pacific FOR LIFE, a GOOD guy and Noel, someone who has NEVER been arrested, or attacked anyone physically, or been banned from airlines for life, a BAD guy.
He was the drummer on the best album they ever made. I always thought him being kicked out of the band was more a personal thing, rather than his playing.
Although he wasn't better than whitey, when he says he wasn't the weakest member he is right. It was Guigs by a long shot. He didn't even play his parts in the studio.
His book is one of the best music biographies I've ever read, and I've read a fair few. Highly recommended if you're a fan, or even if (like me) you only have a passing interest in Oasis.
Tony McCarroll always looked like he was feeling the music and really into it, I really thought he was a great part of the visual aspect of the band also. He just looked like he was always driving the music along in a cool way. I was really disappointed when he was replaced. I would love to see him playing in Liam's band, the guy is quite reserved and genuine it would seem. Very best wishes to you Tony, I really enjoyed watching Oasis with you on the drums. You were cool without ever trying to be.
Has anybody noticed that Sky TV has Live by the sea concert ready to watch. That’s because it is there best work. Who is on the drums!! Tony Mccarroll The drumming was spot on!! Thanks Tony for being apart of it. We were all robbed when Noel replaced you with someone far too rehearsed that didn’t have your RAW BEAT that made me start listening to the band in the first place. What a Crying shame for us all!
LOVE this guy. Listen to Bring It On Down, Live Forever and Supersonic and tell me he was a shit drummer. I love Oasis with a passion and Noel is undoubtedly a very talented songwriter and musician, he's also a narcissistic prick, extremely difficult to work with if you're not kissing his arse. Alan White is am amazing drummer and worthy replacement but in my mind, Mcarrol wasn't the weakest link in the DM days, Guigsy was.
I agree mate tony stood up at noel they all kissed Noel's ass because they knew of they didn't they were sacked apart from Liam who didn't give a stuff tong drumming is fine he could have played the albums noel just didn't like him simple guigsy was a snake the weakest one
Anyone who says he wasnt the best drummer in the world should remember that no one in oasis would even make it as a session musician. They are all piss poor as musicians, especially mcuigan. But they had enough about them to make 3 beautiful albums. After tony left it just wasnt the same live.
Noel is a brilliant musician and he probably would’ve worked with music in some way even if oasis hadn’t happened. Bonehead is a capable musician with the right people around him.
hey ronnie, i dont disagree with you but, noel and even other members of O have said several times that they knew they werent good musicians (ng has said several times they sucked, albeit jokingly). my reading of that is they didnt need to be - they just had to be good oasis musicians. they didnt need to be the best musicians, they needed to be the best band - and they were imo. mccarroll got booted because he wasnt a good oasis member. and whitey was (my opinion) more suited for them. i cant speak to their live show because i never got to see them live. actually my last chance to have seen them was at Vfest in toronto (with paul weller), i honestly couldnt afford tickets to that it was really pricey, oasis and weller were the only ones i was interested in seeing. Id already seen Weller about 6 times. i wish id swallowed the price and just gone. that was the show noel got attacked on stage and they broke soon after. good comment otherwise ronnie
I agree, as a musician, it's not always technical ability (saying that, Alan White was nowhere near as talented as other drummers of the era, like Sean Moore) but suitability - Ringo wasn't that good but he suited The Beatles. Noel wasn't much of a guitarist either, and wouldn't have got anywhere near any other top bands. It's true what Bonehead says: Liam's voice 'was' Oasis
Tony McCarroll was the drummer in the best Oasis album. Actually, the band never again had such a powerful backbeat as they did in that album. Granted, he probably couldn't have played on Wonderwall or Don't Look back in anger, but the drumming on Definitely Maybe is magnificent. Listen to Live Forever. Amazing tone, amazing groove.
Disagree about Don't Look Back In Anger. I really can't imagine Tony nailing the entry and fills for a start which need some room to breathe. Listen to his entries into Up In The Sky, Slide Away. Pretty clumsy. Once he gets into the straight ahead rock songs he's great but his bits around the edges are pretty bad. I'd also say that What's The Story in general benefitted from Alan's touch for the lighter more Beatlesy whimsical sound on She's Electric, Cast No Shadow etc. but I agree that I miss Tony on later songs that needed his energy and where Alan made them drag.
Tony could have played on Don't Look Back in Anger, only so much simpler fills. Tony didn't play ghost notes, it was all sheer volume, no subtleties. Alan was all subtleties, ghost notes, and increasingly complex fills, which had its place on Morning Glory. Technically Alan was much better, but Tony was perfect for Definitely Maybe. I agree that She's Electric, Cast No Shadow, and even Champagne Supernova required more Alan's skills. Even rock numbers such as Hello benefit a lot from his fills.
there was nowt wrong with his drumming, nobody listened to Definitely Maybe and thought the drumming was shit what they thought was it was a fucking great album, once you start messing with the line up a band loses it's personality. It lost it's heartbeat when McCarroll went. Then began the slide into mediocrity and ultimately shitness.
Definitely Maybe wouldn't sound the same with another drummer. Tony did a good job on that. He can always say that he contributed to a classic album. Fair play to him,
Interviewer: what did you bring to the band that Tony McCarroll didn’t? Alan White: Time keeping. Say all you want about Tony being on Oasis’ best album and not needing technical chops (all true), but if a drummer can’t keep time they are useless.
I really never understood why people give Tony so much shit. It was fine for what they were playing, its not like they needed Buddy Rich style fills in Supersonic.
Great drummer and seems like a really good fella. It'd be great to see him, Liam, and Bonehead, plus Guigsy if he's still sane, re-unite and play. Plenty of Liam's songs show theres heaps of potential there.
Oasis is Liam and Noel....the end......anyone else in the band whether it be drummer or a guitar player is ltimatly irrelevant as Noel and Liam are the sound and characters of oasis plus whatever Noel and Liam what the sound to be at any given point they will just get different people in to suit their needs musically and socially...meaning if they like the bloke or not.
Technical my arse. Lol. Alan's drumming was the same on every song he played. I know distinctly all the drum tracks on DM. They were not just keeping the tempo, they are part of the songs makeup.
Tony was perfect for Definitely Maybe. Alan was great up until he left. I think they made some good tunes after SOTSOG, but from that DM to that one, they were one of the best bands ever. As a very late fan that's watched every video you can find on here, listened to their albums heavily, and saw Supersonic, I think the band was the best from 94-00. Absolutely mega.
So similar to what happened to Scott Raynor of Blink-182. They don't want the drummer to be too big of a part of the band. They never want the drummer to be a big deal.
He had his own style. The best track in my opinion remains Cloudburst. He has some great style on this one. Definitely is the most authentic album of Oasis. I loved Alan White, but damn, Tony was the one, he had a smoothy style that really used to fit Oasis's style.
As an awful drummer myself I can tell you this guy was a truly awful drummer. One fill one beat unable to provide any groove whatsoever. Can't knock him for trying to earn a few quid though.
Confused by the controversy !!! ... The track "LIVE FOREVER" is near perfection !!!.... (including the drumming) !!! ... First time listening ..... blasting through cheap speakers in an ERF lorry on Radio 1 ... Even back in the 70's the studios would listen through a small transistor radio before pressing !!! ... I didn't hear the track - THE TRACK HEARD ME
I wonder if he got drumming lessons or why he didn't think to get drumming lessons . If you can't do something it's best to learn and keep practicing to improve your self. Don't Let people get you down.
Me thinks Noel had a dark thing about drummers , He hates Phil collins who whatever people think about him he was one of the best drummers ever and was also in one of the biggest bands ever in Genesis , so jealousy on Noels part ? i don't know !
Heard Noel g trying to say he showed him drum full for dnt look back in ager and his face dropped there's footage of Tony drumming to dnt look back in anger he could have drummed the songs noel just didn't like him always picked on him so did guigsy
I love Tony and the work he did with the band...but who are we kidding gents? Left the band? He was definitely sacked...lets not rewrite history here to make him look like he gracefully walked away.
alan white was a really impressive drummer and i like him too, but i LOVE the vibe of def maybe and tony's drumming was a HUGE part of it. you can actually SING his drum intros to live forever and supersonic... how many drummers can say that??!!
Chris Sharrock was the best drummer they had by far. And Gem and Andy are loads better musicians than Bonehead and Guigsy. However tracks like Supersonic and Live Forever will always be Tony's.
Tony over-played his hand in this book. The stories of the early days and the formation of the band were really interesting and a brilliant insight, but he went too far with the Noel bashing. Sure Noel deserved a decent public kick in the arse for his poor treatment, but the way Tony went on and on and fucking on about Noel, combined with the constant shameless plugging of the "Realies" (of whom he is now a member) just smacked of sour-grapes. By the end of the book I was like "I can see why he sacked ya', you whinging little cunt". Tony had a real opportunity to tell those old stories to give us some laughs, air-out a few home-truths about the sacking, and generally sign-off with dignity and the support of the fan-base. I reckon it just went too far passed this and ended up in the pathetic.
How? if you ask me, that book was great. It explains the Rain in great detail, Give names of the songs they wrote And even includes a picture of their first ever performance at the Bridge Withington club.
Everyone saying that Tony couldn’t play on Wonderwall. That’s not true. First of all, he would have played it differently, secondly, they could have gotten a drum coach to help him in the studio. Wonderwall would sound good with me playing the drums because it’s a great song. Let’s face it, who listens to the drums other than Drummer’s? If the beat is solid and the song is good that’s all you need. Nobody gives a fuck about your fancy ghost notes and Fills. Only drummers do and most drummers would say Ringo sucks so there you go.
Anyone who says Noel made a bad move replacing Tony is a little mistaken. Tony wasn't technical enough to drum on 'Bring it down' he struggled with it, but did it in the end. There is no way he could have drummed on WTSMG especially songs like Wonderwall (harder to drum than you think with the rhythm and a fancy part in a couple places). He would have then be unable to drum on the big stages like Knebworth. Oasis needed to get in Alan White, but in doing so they lost that spark that Tony brought with his drumming (that made them the 5 lads that they were). The changes needed to be made, but ultimately the band was done by 97' as a World beater anyway. Respect to Tony Mac, he can drum in my band anyday!
@Mister Sifter both. They needed a technical drummer for the records and studio and live they lost that spark and rawness in some ways. Fairly easy to explain tbh
Tony sounds like a great bloke. Shame that he was bullied. Curly haired every-man in a band full of Beatles hipsters. Noel is great etc etc though he is far worse on the six string than McCarroll is on the sticks.. One of the laziest guitarists in music history
Oasis: The Truth! Tony McCarroll was one of five reasons Oasis became the huge phenomenom everyone remembers. Simple as that. What gives me the shits nowadays is that the major egotist Noel Gallagher does'nt realise he would'nt be anyone today if it was'nt for Definatly Maybe. Once the best debut of all time was released everything that followed was hype including one of the most overated albums of all time, wtsmg( bar supernova). Once he sacked McCarroll the magic was gone forever! TM = Legend
Tony McCarroll was a powerful live drummer, he really did a great job and without him Definitely Maybe wouldn't be as great. Live Forever man
SaHressi
Well said totally
A powerful drummer is Bonham, Peart, Moon, Grohl, Oasis fans have no freaking clue about music.
@@scottiedog4236 Hahahaha.
@@telephonic Some people ain’t got a clue about football either. Twat.
@@telephonic and Grohl loves oasis
seems a great guy. good bloke...
Intro to supersonic is legendary well done Tony lad
just listen to definitely maybe and theres no doubt this guys druming is amazing
Read his book, it's incredible. Totally changed my opinion of both Noel & Liam
In which way?.
Fair enough some of you saying the book changed your opinion on Noel the only reason this very average if even average drummer was able to write a book or is even known is because of Noel fucking Gallagher. Taking Noel on face value hearing interviews with him on radio television as well as articles about him he's a fucking top bloke so if the book made you change your opinion because a slightly resentful drummer who it is known didn't get on with Noel its you who are the wankers. LIVE FORVER
proper rock n roll drummer, keep it simple, hit em fucking hard.
thing about him he was a good drummer you dont have to be technically amazing to be good drummer he just keep it simple and it worked on definitely maybe
This must be bullshit. No way Beckham had a Ferrari in 1993. He was only 17/18 years old and was still in the youth/reserve side and hadn't yet played for the first team.
***** Nah, not back then, he was still on the youth wages and had yet moved onto pro wages actually. Also, Ferguson with very strict with the young players that had come through his youth system and basically banned them from flashy lifestyles, expensive cars and partying etc..until they had proved themselves. I doubt any Man Utd player was driving a Ferrari, especially any 17 or 18 year old. It was different then. Anyway, his first car was this,bought in 1994. and after this, he bought a Ford Escort from Ryan Giggs ;)
www.independent.co.uk/voices/campaigns/give-to-gosh/you-can-now-bid-on-david-beckhams-teenage-car-as-part-of-our-give-to-gosh-charity-auction-a6755241.html
probably just embellished mythology to make his car valet story, book and part in the band more interesting
Fancy having to put up with Noel and liams egos...
Great guy. You don't need to be an amazing drummer to have a successful music career. He played basic drum beats but will go down in history as the original drummer of one of the greatest bands of all time
he seems like a good guy , I love oasis but they were freakin mean to the guy
It was Noel who acted dick to Tony.
+Mecha Anim - Do you know that they say Mozart was an asshole?
Mecha Anim they’re just so entertaining, like yeah they were dick but for the most part everything they’d say was the brutal truth, although they did exaggerate the “biggest band in the world” statements. But their personalities and the fact that have have so many great songs in their prime is why so many people love them
No, Noel was. Bloke was and still is absolutely narcissistic. If you're not kissing his arse you're not getting far
@Hugh Jones Yep. That was my point. Maybe I didn't make it clear enough.
So many talented people are assholes but we judge their talent by it's self. We don't say "Michael Angelo was a moody prick so that makes him a worse artist." we just know he was a great, genius level artist. If someone said what's he like to have a cuppa tea with then we can say "A fucking moody twat, tbh, Da Vinci was far better company"
We are judging these crafts men by their craft not their personality
I liked his drumming. I thought he suited the first album perfectly.
I agree, love his drumming on Bring It On Down. Love that song in general.
Maybe he wasn't a highly skilled drummer but he certainly did the job on Bring...
I played the drums for 30 years ( now retired ), and for what it's worth, Tony did a great job on the 1st album. Not a technical drummer for sure, but that was not required. His ability to play in time has been questioned, I disagree . His built in metronome was excellent.
As you say Sam, he suited the album ... perfectly...
All the best to you.
@@halcyon289 Exactly..he done exactly as a drummer in a band in thst type always does,play along with the bass and keep time!😁..i dont think he would've been able for morning glory it all got a little bit more 'technical' . Respect✊
@@damotheman4196 Agreed Damo.
@@DayDay1991 Nope..fraid not bud. Happy new year though.
Tony McCarroll is a really big part of why Definately Maybe is such a unique sounding album. I also love his energy in the early live gigs, especially doing Headshrinker, Bring it on down, Supersonic etc. I don't buy that he couldn't have done the second album.
ycanionlyevafind1sok He couldn’t have played on morning glory, It wouldn’t have sounded the same. Alan is a very creative drummer songs like wonderwall are proof of that.
Tony was on "Some Might Say", not Alan.
@@happyears21694 That was the first No1 I think ? my favourite track still gets me goosebumps
Fact is, he played drums in Oasis best album, and fact is, Oasis had lots of drummers, so that makes me think Tony wasn't the problem.
Spencer Gregory
It's all cos of that goddamn collapse drum fill at the end of "Don't look back in anger" Tony just wouldn't get right and Noel thought "That's it I'm replacing the guy" and being lucky he'd then get famous Steve White's brother Alan.
But Tony's still - if not techically better -much more fittin' to Oasis then the ones came after Alan.
It's Alan who was too good to be replaced.
The other guys had their abilities but they just didn't become part of Oasis.
Agreed
+Brandon Warbis-Sandford and chris sharrock
The greatest drummer for Oasis.
He was bullied out
Alan White played too many fills. Tony just hit them hard. He can always say he was on their best album
spot on drums are for banging and it did it the best, the heartbeat of Oasis!
eddie lasowsky Tony couldn’t keep time
In your opinion that’s the best album. My favourite is Be Here Now. And too many fills? So Tony crashing at the end of every bar is ok then? 😂
TheGooners11 That’s your opinion, Whitey is a million times better that’s just a fact.
Alan is way better drummer
Live Forever, Supersonic and Bring it on Down.
That's all i have to say.
Seems like a genuinely nice geezer. Gonna get the book in time for DM's anniversary.
That book was a great read!
He cared about his daughter and his girlfriend trying to make them live when others were acting like wild dogs
Too nice,that's what made him get bullied by them,and didn't really have the right of stage personor to match the energy of the rest of the band.
You can tell this man is hurt by missing out..I appreciate you tony
He should get drunk with PETE BEST!
Tony wasn't the Pete Best of Oasis, he got to play on a massive album, a number one single, the Sheffield Arena, Top of the Pops, and Glastonbury. Chris Hutton is the bloke who really missed the bus
Ringo Starr has never been a fantastic technical drummer. Neither was Nick Mason. But their styles were perfect for the music of The Beatles and Pink Floyd. Both had tremendous feel for the right sound for the song. Same with Tony in the early days of Oasis, he was vital to the sound and drummed on what most people consider their best album. Can't knock him for that, and Noel is out of order for doing so in the past.
listen to "Take Up Thy Stethoscope and Walk" by Pink floyd, Thats the most technical you can ever get from Nick Mason. Amazing.
Shut up and leave Noel alone! You need to keep in mind, HE Was the one who wrote all the hits, NOT TONY.
What a strange comment. Yes, Noel was the songwriter. Still doesn't change the fact he didn't treat Tony very well at all.
safeeuropeanhome I don't understand how Tony has the nerve to call Liam, someone who has tons and tons of physical fights with paparazzi's, been arrested on several occasions and got banned from an airline called Cathay Pacific FOR LIFE, a GOOD guy and Noel, someone who has NEVER been arrested, or attacked anyone physically, or been banned from airlines for life, a BAD guy.
Owen Deane ummm Noel was arrested for theft. he has admitted it.
He was the drummer on the best album they ever made. I always thought him being kicked out of the band was more a personal thing, rather than his playing.
Although he wasn't better than whitey, when he says he wasn't the weakest member he is right. It was Guigs by a long shot. He didn't even play his parts in the studio.
T Scott agree, Alan was fucking shit when they played songs from Definetely maybe live
Tony's drumming was fantastic. He had style that was unique and fit those early songs perfectly.
He was was an amazing drummer, he really helped make Definitely Maybe to be the masterpiece it was
He wasn’t amazing, he just fitted definitely maybe.
Well he's on the album a McGuigan isn't so he can't be that bad
His book is one of the best music biographies I've ever read, and I've read a fair few. Highly recommended if you're a fan, or even if (like me) you only have a passing interest in Oasis.
Tony McCarroll always looked like he was feeling the music and really into it, I really thought he was a great part of the visual aspect of the band also. He just looked like he was always driving the music along in a cool way. I was really disappointed when he was replaced. I would love to see him playing in Liam's band, the guy is quite reserved and genuine it would seem. Very best wishes to you Tony, I really enjoyed watching Oasis with you on the drums. You were cool without ever trying to be.
Has anybody noticed that Sky TV has Live by the sea concert ready to watch.
That’s because it is there best work. Who is on the drums!!
Tony Mccarroll
The drumming was spot on!!
Thanks Tony for being apart of it.
We were all robbed when Noel replaced you with someone far too rehearsed that didn’t have your RAW BEAT that made me start listening to the band in the first place.
What a Crying shame for us all!
LOVE this guy. Listen to Bring It On Down, Live Forever and Supersonic and tell me he was a shit drummer. I love Oasis with a passion and Noel is undoubtedly a very talented songwriter and musician, he's also a narcissistic prick, extremely difficult to work with if you're not kissing his arse. Alan White is am amazing drummer and worthy replacement but in my mind, Mcarrol wasn't the weakest link in the DM days, Guigsy was.
I agree mate tony stood up at noel they all kissed Noel's ass because they knew of they didn't they were sacked apart from Liam who didn't give a stuff tong drumming is fine he could have played the albums noel just didn't like him simple guigsy was a snake the weakest one
Anyone who says he wasnt the best drummer in the world should remember that no one in oasis would even make it as a session musician. They are all piss poor as musicians, especially mcuigan. But they had enough about them to make 3 beautiful albums. After tony left it just wasnt the same live.
ronnie mccoll true dat
Bonehead sorta did
Noel is a brilliant musician and he probably would’ve worked with music in some way even if oasis hadn’t happened. Bonehead is a capable musician with the right people around him.
what a load of crap
hey ronnie, i dont disagree with you but, noel and even other members of O have said several times that they knew they werent good musicians (ng has said several times they sucked, albeit jokingly). my reading of that is they didnt need to be - they just had to be good oasis musicians. they didnt need to be the best musicians, they needed to be the best band - and they were imo. mccarroll got booted because he wasnt a good oasis member. and whitey was (my opinion) more suited for them. i cant speak to their live show because i never got to see them live. actually my last chance to have seen them was at Vfest in toronto (with paul weller), i honestly couldnt afford tickets to that it was really pricey, oasis and weller were the only ones i was interested in seeing. Id already seen Weller about 6 times. i wish id swallowed the price and just gone. that was the show noel got attacked on stage and they broke soon after. good comment otherwise ronnie
"i wish him well on his new band beady eye" then looked and realized this video is 10 years old.
I did the same thing! I was like “Well, actually it’s just ‘Liam Gallagher’ now. Oh, wait... never mind”.
the basic play style od Mccarroll was better than the complexity and the repetition on White one's. A good drummer too but Mccaroll was better
Zak's "Live Forever" drumming made me remember Tony
Alan was and is better
They Rocked best with Tony...
I agree, as a musician, it's not always technical ability (saying that, Alan White was nowhere near as talented as other drummers of the era, like Sean Moore) but suitability - Ringo wasn't that good but he suited The Beatles. Noel wasn't much of a guitarist either, and wouldn't have got anywhere near any other top bands. It's true what Bonehead says: Liam's voice 'was' Oasis
merseybeast76 yeh defo. Hearing Noel sing songs like rock n roll star is torture on the ears
What Tony played sounded good for the first album. Alan will always be my favourite Oasis Drummer his style suited the music perfectly.
Tony McCarroll was the drummer in the best Oasis album. Actually, the band never again had such a powerful backbeat as they did in that album. Granted, he probably couldn't have played on Wonderwall or Don't Look back in anger, but the drumming on Definitely Maybe is magnificent. Listen to Live Forever. Amazing tone, amazing groove.
Disagree about Don't Look Back In Anger. I really can't imagine Tony nailing the entry and fills for a start which need some room to breathe. Listen to his entries into Up In The Sky, Slide Away. Pretty clumsy. Once he gets into the straight ahead rock songs he's great but his bits around the edges are pretty bad.
I'd also say that What's The Story in general benefitted from Alan's touch for the lighter more Beatlesy whimsical sound on She's Electric, Cast No Shadow etc. but I agree that I miss Tony on later songs that needed his energy and where Alan made them drag.
Tony could have played on Don't Look Back in Anger, only so much simpler fills. Tony didn't play ghost notes, it was all sheer volume, no subtleties. Alan was all subtleties, ghost notes, and increasingly complex fills, which had its place on Morning Glory. Technically Alan was much better, but Tony was perfect for Definitely Maybe.
I agree that She's Electric, Cast No Shadow, and even Champagne Supernova required more Alan's skills. Even rock numbers such as Hello benefit a lot from his fills.
MP R I think Noel hated Tony because he was the only person who had courage to say something back.
Fer Abra hahahah don't be daft morning glory pisses over definitely mayby
Josh Jackson Nah mate Morning Glory is only their 3rd best album
He drummed on the best oasis album and was the sound of oasis for me.
lol....
Said no one ever! 🙈😂
there was nowt wrong with his drumming, nobody listened to Definitely Maybe and thought the drumming was shit what they thought was it was a fucking great album, once you start messing with the line up a band loses it's personality. It lost it's heartbeat when McCarroll went. Then began the slide into mediocrity and ultimately shitness.
They should never have fired him he was a great drummer for Oasis. Supersonic intro brilliant !
Live forever also
TheGooners11 it wasn’t just Noel. Mark Coyle has said everyone wanted Tony out. They loosing so much money because he couldn’t get his drumming right
TheGooners11. Such a native comment, from a fella who wasn’t even there.. Live forever man 😎🤜🏻🤛🏻✌🏻🤟🏻
Live Forever too had awesome drum intro
They should have hired a drum coach for the morning glory sessions.
Definitely Maybe wouldn't sound the same with another drummer. Tony did a good job on that. He can always say that he contributed to a classic album. Fair play to him,
Seems a decent bloke. Wish him well. He’ll always have his work on their best album too
He should have called the book "needless to say I had the last laugh" by Tony Mccarroll (and Alan Partridge)
You feed beef burgers to swans
Interviewer: what did you bring to the band that Tony McCarroll didn’t?
Alan White: Time keeping.
Say all you want about Tony being on Oasis’ best album and not needing technical chops (all true), but if a drummer can’t keep time they are useless.
I really never understood why people give Tony so much shit. It was fine for what they were playing, its not like they needed Buddy Rich style fills in Supersonic.
Great drummer and seems like a really good fella. It'd be great to see him, Liam, and Bonehead, plus Guigsy if he's still sane, re-unite and play. Plenty of Liam's songs show theres heaps of potential there.
Oasis is Liam and Noel....the end......anyone else in the band whether it be drummer or a guitar player is ltimatly irrelevant as Noel and Liam are the sound and characters of oasis plus whatever Noel and Liam what the sound to be at any given point they will just get different people in to suit their needs musically and socially...meaning if they like the bloke or not.
No one can ever argue that unique Oasis sound on defiently maybe has never been reproduced since Tony McCaroll left
Technical my arse. Lol. Alan's drumming was the same on every song he played. I know distinctly all the drum tracks on DM. They were not just keeping the tempo, they are part of the songs makeup.
We Miss Tony McCarroll
Supersonic was awesome with Tony on drums.
I thought his drumming was mint. Didn’t like the style of the drummer who replaced him.
Tony was perfect for Definitely Maybe. Alan was great up until he left. I think they made some good tunes after SOTSOG, but from that DM to that one, they were one of the best bands ever. As a very late fan that's watched every video you can find on here, listened to their albums heavily, and saw Supersonic, I think the band was the best from 94-00. Absolutely mega.
Oasis fans to Tony McCarroll are like Nirvana fans to Chad Channing
I think I know Tony was sacked: Noel's relationship with Tony was basically the same as his relationship with Liam: They pretty much never got on.
He played the intro to live forever. Nuff said.
Definitely a powerful sound of Oasis, after he was fired, Oasis lost it
So similar to what happened to Scott Raynor of Blink-182. They don't want the drummer to be too big of a part of the band. They never want the drummer to be a big deal.
+Mark ONeill Scott was a fucking talented teenager, on Dude Ranch he shines more than Tom and Mark, I also think they were jealous, fuck Travis B
Yeah, but Blink 182 are fucking abysmal, and have the worst vocalist of all time
lol really? Travis Barker was a huge deal and they didn't kick him out?
Travis Barker is probably the most famous member of Blink, though
It's either him or Billy Corgan as worst vocalist of all time. They're both grating.
He had his own style. The best track in my opinion remains Cloudburst. He has some great style on this one. Definitely is the most authentic album of Oasis.
I loved Alan White, but damn, Tony was the one, he had a smoothy style that really used to fit Oasis's style.
They didn’t learn from Guns N Roses. You can’t replace an original member of a great band. It simply doesn’t work.
It actually did work. Everyone drummer Oasis has were much better than Tony
As an awful drummer myself I can tell you this guy was a truly awful drummer. One fill one beat unable to provide any groove whatsoever. Can't knock him for trying to earn a few quid though.
Confused by the controversy !!!
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The track "LIVE FOREVER" is near perfection !!!.... (including the drumming) !!!
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First time listening ..... blasting through cheap speakers in an ERF lorry on Radio 1
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Even back in the 70's the studios would listen through a small transistor radio before pressing !!!
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I didn't hear the track - THE TRACK HEARD ME
oasis lost all the punky groove to their music when he left
Tony messed up by agreeing to a one-time payment of 600,000 British Pounds from Oasis, thereby surrendering all rights to future song royalties.
I wonder if he got drumming lessons or why he didn't think to get drumming lessons . If you can't do something it's best to learn and keep practicing to improve your self. Don't Let people get you down.
I get people like him as he was the original and that’s the same with me, but he was not a good drummer whereas Alan White was a great drummer
Me thinks Noel had a dark thing about drummers , He hates Phil collins who whatever people think about him he was one of the best drummers ever and was also in one of the biggest bands ever in Genesis , so jealousy on Noels part ? i don't know !
Love Tony’s drumming on DM. Legend!
Heard Noel g trying to say he showed him drum full for dnt look back in ager and his face dropped there's footage of Tony drumming to dnt look back in anger he could have drummed the songs noel just didn't like him always picked on him so did guigsy
he seems nice, i feel sorry for him :( i just bought his book! :D liam should get him in beady eye
McCarrol > White
Tony > Alan
There first album was as good thanks to this guy, they were never as good again, good yes, just not as good.
I love Tony and the work he did with the band...but who are we kidding gents? Left the band? He was definitely sacked...lets not rewrite history here to make him look like he gracefully walked away.
Did it make him fabulously wealthy? I hope so because he deserves it.
alan white was a really impressive drummer and i like him too, but i LOVE the vibe of def maybe and tony's drumming was a HUGE part of it. you can actually SING his drum intros to live forever and supersonic... how many drummers can say that??!!
You will not meet a nicer fella. Genuinely
Chris Sharrock was the best drummer they had by far. And Gem and Andy are loads better musicians than Bonehead and Guigsy. However tracks like Supersonic and Live Forever will always be Tony's.
they were threatened by him, he was a bit different and he played drums, well
His drumming was great, he stood out for me.
Live forever Tony !!! Le travail de Tony et son jeu de batterie sur definitely maybe est génial !!!
Oui pas mal. Il raconte quoi sur les frangins????jpige pas!
Tony over-played his hand in this book. The stories of the early days and the formation of the band were really interesting and a brilliant insight, but he went too far with the Noel bashing. Sure Noel deserved a decent public kick in the arse for his poor treatment, but the way Tony went on and on and fucking on about Noel, combined with the constant shameless plugging of the "Realies" (of whom he is now a member) just smacked of sour-grapes. By the end of the book I was like "I can see why he sacked ya', you whinging little cunt".
Tony had a real opportunity to tell those old stories to give us some laughs, air-out a few home-truths about the sacking, and generally sign-off with dignity and the support of the fan-base. I reckon it just went too far passed this and ended up in the pathetic.
How? if you ask me, that book was great. It explains the Rain in great detail, Give names of the songs they wrote And even includes a picture of their first ever performance at the Bridge Withington club.
He was the best
Dont get me wrong, I think Tony was perfect for Defo Maybe.
Can't understand a thing he's saying .🤣
Alan white was the best drummer of oasis but with Tony his best performance was shakermaker
A shame he did not have straight hair! ; Great drummer!
Underrated drummer, he gives so much life to Definitely Maybe
Everyone saying that Tony couldn’t play on Wonderwall. That’s not true. First of all, he would have played it differently, secondly, they could have gotten a drum coach to help him in the studio. Wonderwall would sound good with me playing the drums because it’s a great song. Let’s face it, who listens to the drums other than Drummer’s? If the beat is solid and the song is good that’s all you need. Nobody gives a fuck about your fancy ghost notes and Fills. Only drummers do and most drummers would say Ringo sucks so there you go.
Anyone who says Noel made a bad move replacing Tony is a little mistaken. Tony wasn't technical enough to drum on 'Bring it down' he struggled with it, but did it in the end. There is no way he could have drummed on WTSMG especially songs like Wonderwall (harder to drum than you think with the rhythm and a fancy part in a couple places). He would have then be unable to drum on the big stages like Knebworth. Oasis needed to get in Alan White, but in doing so they lost that spark that Tony brought with his drumming (that made them the 5 lads that they were). The changes needed to be made, but ultimately the band was done by 97' as a World beater anyway.
Respect to Tony Mac, he can drum in my band anyday!
Totally agree.
That's why he won an out of court settlement, because he In actual fact, demonstrated he could play the drums to songs on WTSMG.
@Mister Sifter both. They needed a technical drummer for the records and studio and live they lost that spark and rawness in some ways. Fairly easy to explain tbh
Tony sounds like a great bloke. Shame that he was bullied. Curly haired every-man in a band full of Beatles hipsters. Noel is great etc etc though he is far worse on the six string than McCarroll is on the sticks.. One of the laziest guitarists in music history
Literally a rock legend
Oasis were a gang of 5 mates. They outed Tony Caroll and after one album later they nose-dived and never recovered.
Some might say is one of my fave oasis songs.. he did that too, just one song on their 2nd album
he didn't leave oasis, he was let go. lol
He seems like a classy lad.. Hope one day they all play a gig together..
Oasis: The Truth! Tony McCarroll was one of five reasons Oasis became the huge phenomenom everyone remembers. Simple as that. What gives me the shits nowadays is that the major egotist Noel Gallagher does'nt realise he would'nt be anyone today if it was'nt for Definatly Maybe. Once the best debut of all time was released everything that followed was hype including one of the most overated albums of all time, wtsmg( bar supernova). Once he sacked McCarroll the magic was gone forever! TM = Legend
I way prefer McCarroll's drumming to every other drummer since. No nonsense, straight ahead drive.
Wonder why Noel hated Tony as much as he did,when it was Guigs who didn't even play on the album??
Tony was the best!
my most listened to era of oasis
Genuine
The sign of a good drummer is that you play to the music, - he did that to arguably Oasis’s best album. So that says it all don’t it
I think his drumming was perfect for Definitely Maybe.