Hello Oscar. I want to thank you for your most enjoyable series of videos. I am slowly working my way through them in reverse chronological order. I am especially pleased by the easy way you are content to have fun with the trains. It is quite contagious! If you are running short of ideas - which I think is unlikely - I would be interested to see how you approach some of the maintenance or repair work you do, e.g. removing wheels from bogies to clean them. That said, I do think you videos are hitting a sweet spot. So thank you. Adrian (in Melbourne, Victoria... I drive by the old Triang factory regularly and pulls at the heart strings a tag.)
Hi Adrian, glad you are enjoying the videos. It always amazes me that people are watching from so far away. I have only seen pictures of the old factory nice to know the building is still there. Thanks for watching. Oscar
Thanks Oscar, I have a couple of those coaches but in very poor condition, they won't even run, I think I got them with a whole bunch of early Triang bits, nice to see those in action on your layout.
Hello Oscar i purchased one of these little beauties this week,i never realised it was as old as this when i bought it.It sounds just like yours.Stay well.Happy Christmas.
Good morning Michael great to hear you have one. They’re lovely little models and quite an important part of the Tri-ang history/development. Thanks for watching stay safe. Oscar
@@oscarpaisley How do i find out what year (roughly) it was made? Its has Triang R52 and made in England underneath,the motor looks the same,But the British Railways is different and its number is 47606 and both number and logo are lined in white and red stripes.It also has metal whistles.Thanks in advance Oscar.
Morning Oscar, sorry I've not been on duty for a while, life getting in the way of things. Great to see your 64 year old Jinty running so well, amazing inside view showing that huge plate capacitor as well. All wonderful stuff. Cheers Mike
I have a fair few of these R.20 coaches and the steps do occasionally turn up transposed on the later 3rd class polystyrene versions suggesting a new mould tool was created. These also have the 8 planked corridor connector ends. The 1st class coaches are numbered 7573 whilst the 3rd class coaches are numbered 27424 with the steps on the same side on both. This is also the same on the original Rovex coaches. The Rovex Triang Mk.I diecast coupling loop is extremely brittle and are 99% of the time missing. I have only one with an intact coupling loop. These will uncouple if the counterweight is placed over the Series 2 and series 3 uncoupling ramp. The bogies also tend to go bronzey either in patches or totally with age. Rovex sleeved coach wheels are tapered, Triang ones aren't. The glazing on the Rovex coaches is celluloid and this seems to expand in length by 1 or 2 centimetres over 50 years. Not all of the acetate bodies or roofs warp badly as they age. Some do and some don't. It seems to be factors involved during production from one day to the next and who was operating the moulding machine at the time. Boiling a acetate "banana" roof in water, jigging it and letting it cool inside a jig over a few hours will reset it back to straight. The same goes for coach bodies. Once straightened the roof should be glued into place at either end with industrial superglue gel which will prevent it going banana shaped over the next 50 years.
Thanks again Andy for the terrific information. It's interesting what you say about the production and how this affected the stability of the material. I want to have a go at boiling a roof, I have a number of roofs to practice on I will let you know how I get on. Thanks again. Oscar
My Jinty has a headlight just in front of the smoke stack, it was purchased about 1962,with two New Zealand type coaches and were made by Triang, great videos, thankyou from Wairoa in New Zealand
That sounds like a great variation of the Jinty you have Jed with the headlamp. I have seen pictures of them, but I don't think they were produced with the headlamp for the UK, possibly just New Zeland & Australia so they very rare here in the UK. Thanks again for watching. Oscar
Afternoon Oscar, nice video, I've got a later Jinty with the smoke unit fitted, haven't tried it with smoke oil, boxed and in good condition, runs really well on my layout with Peco track, J
Hi Oscar, I’m still running my R52. I must be a later version as it has a box with lift off lid, shaped packing pieces at each end and the classic bottle of oil. Loved the smooth running of your model and the coaches too.
Good morning Tony, sounds like you have a great version of this model, the packaging you describe is an art form in own right. A great deal of work must have gone into design and production of these packing blocks and very often they have printed text on them as well and seem to be model specific. Thanks again for watching. Oscar
Hello Oscar, That Jinty is in such good condition, like new but time warped. I have the chassis of one of those but not the body. The chassis runs well but it has been much modified to fit into a Will white metal GWR 0-6-0. I have two of the first class coaches with 6 boards on the end doors and steps on the left like yours but the wheels are so badly warped that running them is painful to watch. Thank you for yet another great video. David.
Lovely example of the early Jinty, I'm still looking to find one with "British Railways" on the tank side, like peacock eggs they are! Nice to see the original very short coaches in such good condition. I wil have a look in the train attic this afternoon and see if I have a scrap bogie for those coaches with useable wheels, if so, you can have it.
Good evening Andrew, she is a terrific model for the age and as you say it would great to find one with Brish Railways on the side. There is always something else to find! It's a very kind offer of the replacement wheels but I've already sourced replacements. I shall try and have the three coaches running together soon. Thanks again. Oscar
Interesting on the Jinty that while it evolved with brass safety valves , lining etc the number on the BR version was always 47606. Great seeing the layout in action and love seeing old catalogues
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video. You would have thought that at some point someone would have thought of changing the number to add a variation. But possibly expensive to do as I think the number was part of the moulding on the smokebox door until quite late on. I think it was eventually blanked out in the early 70s for some of the later variations. Oscar
Hi Oscar, another really good and informative video. I have this vintage 1955 R52 with slight warping, so hard to find them in this glossy almost straight out of the factory condition. The early'er tooling had a air gap under the boiler and above the wheel splashier of the first drive wheel, I believe this is before 1955. Look forward to your videos every Sunday, cheers.
Good morning Michael, it's great to hear you have an example of this early model and enjoyed the video. Thanks again for watching and taking the time to comment especially with the information about the early body moulding, it's hugely appreciated. Oscar
Great video as usual Oscar. I remember having so many of those Triang trains as a kid. The Transcontinental diesel and steam trains especially. I have recently started collecting Hornby past catalogues.
Really enjoyable videos, Oscar. I've just managed to pick up a very early example of one of these, I believe from the 1953 production run, judging by the early decals and the gap in the moulding beneath the boiler behind the smokebox. It purports to be a runner, do you have any advice on the best oil to use for servicing?
Hi thanks for watching I really love these older models there is just something about them, lovely sound on the rails. I use a good quality light sewing machine oil for most things, Also HL657 white Grease I use this on the models with the later plastic gearing/worms. Take care. Oscar
Very interesting vid for fans of early Triang. Their R20 coaches were prone to severe warping; the 2 behind the jinty look brand new! Where were they sourced Oscar?
Oscar, I love watching your videos keep up the good work my friend. Your enthusiasm and love of these models I hope will inspire the younger generation to develope a love of things past. As for me I have always loved trains from the real thing to toys and accurate models. Please keep sharing your love of these brings back so many childhood memories, best regards Jim.
Good morning David, theses old models do seem to run very well for their age and sit very well on the rails. Possibly there were produced to a higher standard than later modes. Thanks. Oscar
If you replaced the half curve, coming off of Point 17 with another point, you could add a useful head shunt spur in front of the signal box for parking locomotives when releasing a blocked in locomotive (on isolation) behind another in front.
Thank you Oscar - a nice video to watch whilst eating my porridge! I do like the look of the glossy finish, rather than the matt of later models. I wonder when the warping of the early models first became apparent and if that was the reason for the change in material, of were we just lucky that they did? I love the way your models run just as well as any modern item! :-)
Good morning Gord, they do look rather impressive in this shiny finish. Others in the comments have indicated that its the way the material was handled in production that cursed it to be unstable. I've also been told in the past that it could be being exposed to daylight and or extremes of heat. Whatever the reason was it seems the decision was made to use a more stable material by the mid-late 50s Thanks again for taking the time to watch. Oscar
Hi Oscar, fascinated to see the r20 coaches. I have recently bought a few r21 coaches, most of which have suffered varying degrees of 'sag'. Do you know of any remedy or fix?
Hi Kevin. Can I refer you to Andy Reids excellent comment below of which I am going to have a go at. Oscar I have a fair few of these R.20 coaches and the steps do occasionally turn up transposed on the later 3rd class polystyrene versions suggesting a new mould tool was created. These also have the 8 planked corridor connector ends. The 1st class coaches are numbered 7573 whilst the 3rd class coaches are numbered 27424 with the steps on the same side on both. This is also the same on the original Rovex coaches. The Rovex Triang Mk.I diecast coupling loop is extremely brittle and are 99% of the time missing. I have only one with an intact coupling loop. These will uncouple if the counterweight is placed over the Series 2 and series 3 uncoupling ramp. The bogies also tend to go bronzey either in patches or totally with age. Rovex sleeved coach wheels are tapered, Triang ones aren't. The glazing on the Rovex coaches is celluloid and this seems to expand in length by 1 or 2 centimetres over 50 years. Not all of the acetate bodies or roofs warp badly as they age. Some do and some don't. It seems to be factors involved during production from one day to the next and who was operating the moulding machine at the time. Boiling a acetate "banana" roof in water, jigging it and letting it cool inside a jig over a few hours will reset it back to straight. The same goes for coach bodies. Once straightened the roof should be glued into place at either end with industrial superglue gel which will prevent it going banana shaped over the next 50 years.
Hi mate love great video I have 3 E3001/81 electric locomotives and 2 class 82 converted from 2 class 81 bodys on my layout please keep the videos coming I remember a lot of the tri-ang hornby catalogues from the 1960/70s I which I had keap a lot of the models from at time but say Sara sara well time move on 😢😢 clive
Hiya :) @ 4:39 - I have an 0-6-0 Green GWR No. 8751 Tank Loco with the 2 middle wheels with no flanges (I think that what they are called!!!) I have noticed with both your Jinty & my Tank Loco - the motor is in the same place - sticking up @ a slight angle in the Cab!!!
I remember my first Jinty cost 39/6d. My dad sold our Hornby tinplate to buy it. What interests me from the catalogue shown is the clockwork N2 0-6-2T. I've never seen that model before. Was it actually produced?
I have one. The loco, 7 plank open wagon and goods van were originally produced and sold by Trackmaster from 1949 until 1951 when Triang bought the tooling from them. The whole mechanism is made from zinc, apart from the spring and control rods, and it is not very reliable. Mine doesn't run very well with tight spots. Zinc is semi soft so not the best choice to make gears out of and makes repairs tricky. Many bodies out there and many had the clockwork mechanism binned when it inevitably broke and had the body fitted onto an electric chassis of some description. One of these turned up on E-Bay recently. The body is exactly to scale model of the GNR / LNER N2 0-6-2T hence why 1950's serious modellers would convert them. The running number was 68561. The loco body is diecast and the wheels are insulated see through types. These only appeared on the N2 and it wasn't until the mid 1960's that they resurfaced again on the R.52 and R.152.
Good evening Pete,r I think Andy Reid has answered your question in the comment below. I must thank him again for the excellent information he has provided here and in many other comments on my channel. I do have a clockwork N2 Tank engine and as Andy pointed out the materials used to make the clockwork motor is not the best in the earlier models I am still trying to find a way of incorporating it into a video. Oscar
Hello Oscar. I want to thank you for your most enjoyable series of videos. I am slowly working my way through them in reverse chronological order. I am especially pleased by the easy way you are content to have fun with the trains. It is quite contagious!
If you are running short of ideas - which I think is unlikely - I would be interested to see how you approach some of the maintenance or repair work you do, e.g. removing wheels from bogies to clean them. That said, I do think you videos are hitting a sweet spot. So thank you.
Adrian (in Melbourne, Victoria... I drive by the old Triang factory regularly and pulls at the heart strings a tag.)
Hi Adrian, glad you are enjoying the videos. It always amazes me that people are watching from so far away. I have only seen pictures of the old factory nice to know the building is still there. Thanks for watching.
Oscar
lovely old jinty running very well.i have 2 of them made around 1967.made to last.great video as usual
Terrific to hear you have those Peter.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
Thanks Oscar, I have a couple of those coaches but in very poor condition, they won't even run, I think I got them with a whole bunch of early Triang bits, nice to see those in action on your layout.
I think it is the way a lot of these coaches ended up, especially as they hadn't quite got the choice of materials right.
Oscar
Hello Oscar i purchased one of these little beauties this week,i never realised it was as old as this when i bought it.It sounds just like yours.Stay well.Happy Christmas.
Good morning Michael great to hear you have one. They’re lovely little models and quite an important part of the Tri-ang history/development.
Thanks for watching stay safe.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley How do i find out what year (roughly) it was made? Its has Triang R52 and made in England underneath,the motor looks the same,But the British Railways is different and its number is 47606 and both number and logo are lined in white and red stripes.It also has metal whistles.Thanks in advance Oscar.
Morning Oscar, sorry I've not been on duty for a while, life getting in the way of things. Great to see your 64 year old Jinty running so well, amazing inside view showing that huge plate capacitor as well. All wonderful stuff. Cheers Mike
Good morning Mike. It's amazing the number of things that get in the way of playing with toy trains.
Thanks again.
Oscar
I have a fair few of these R.20 coaches and the steps do occasionally turn up transposed on the later 3rd class polystyrene versions suggesting a new mould tool was created. These also have the 8 planked corridor connector ends.
The 1st class coaches are numbered 7573 whilst the 3rd class coaches are numbered 27424 with the steps on the same side on both. This is also the same on the original Rovex coaches.
The Rovex Triang Mk.I diecast coupling loop is extremely brittle and are 99% of the time missing. I have only one with an intact coupling loop. These will uncouple if the counterweight is placed over the Series 2 and series 3 uncoupling ramp. The bogies also tend to go bronzey either in patches or totally with age.
Rovex sleeved coach wheels are tapered, Triang ones aren't.
The glazing on the Rovex coaches is celluloid and this seems to expand in length by 1 or 2 centimetres over 50 years.
Not all of the acetate bodies or roofs warp badly as they age. Some do and some don't. It seems to be factors involved during production from one day to the next and who was operating the moulding machine at the time.
Boiling a acetate "banana" roof in water, jigging it and letting it cool inside a jig over a few hours will reset it back to straight. The same goes for coach bodies. Once straightened the roof should be glued into place at either end with industrial superglue gel which will prevent it going banana shaped over the next 50 years.
Thanks again Andy for the terrific information. It's interesting what you say about the production and how this affected the stability of the material. I want to have a go at boiling a roof, I have a number of roofs to practice on I will let you know how I get on. Thanks again.
Oscar
I still love this locomotive, and this video.
Very Relaxing, with a really useful engine pulling a train.
Thank you very much!
Oscar
Oscar Paisley You’re welcome Oscar.
My Jinty has a headlight just in front of the smoke stack, it was purchased about 1962,with two New Zealand type coaches and were made by Triang, great videos, thankyou from Wairoa in New Zealand
That sounds like a great variation of the Jinty you have Jed with the headlamp. I have seen pictures of them, but I don't think they were produced with the headlamp for the UK, possibly just New Zeland & Australia so they very rare here in the UK.
Thanks again for watching.
Oscar
Afternoon Oscar, nice video, I've got a later Jinty with the smoke unit fitted, haven't tried it with smoke oil, boxed and in good condition, runs really well on my layout with Peco track, J
Good to see these early models on your layout Oscar, they still run so nicely. Glad you filmed this. Sixty odd years old toys, well made indeed.
Glad you enjoyed the video.
Oscar
Hi Oscar, I’m still running my R52. I must be a later version as it has a box with lift off lid, shaped packing pieces at each end and the classic bottle of oil. Loved the smooth running of your model and the coaches too.
Good morning Tony, sounds like you have a great version of this model, the packaging you describe is an art form in own right. A great deal of work must have gone into design and production of these packing blocks and very often they have printed text on them as well and seem to be model specific.
Thanks again for watching.
Oscar
It is quite absorbing to see this very old artifact.
I got my first Jinty in 1955 and the motor finally 'died' in a cloud of blue smoke in 1992.
That's pretty good going for the motor Geoff, did you replace it?
Oscar
My first locomotive followed by the Princess Elizabeth in black. I used the princess as a black 5.
Hello Oscar, That Jinty is in such good condition, like new but time warped. I have the chassis of one of those but not the body. The chassis runs well but it has been much modified to fit into a Will white metal GWR 0-6-0. I have two of the first class coaches with 6 boards on the end doors and steps on the left like yours but the wheels are so badly warped that running them is painful to watch.
Thank you for yet another great video. David.
Hi David. I think those old wheels are always a problem to some degree I wonder if they were ever round to start with?! Thanks for watching.
Oscar
Lovely example of the early Jinty, I'm still looking to find one with "British Railways" on the tank side, like peacock eggs they are! Nice to see the original very short coaches in such good condition. I wil have a look in the train attic this afternoon and see if I have a scrap bogie for those coaches with useable wheels, if so, you can have it.
A look finds several bogies from very early bogie bolsters and indeed a knackered TC mail coach which seem tio have the same size wheels.
Good evening Andrew, she is a terrific model for the age and as you say it would great to find one with Brish Railways on the side. There is always something else to find! It's a very kind offer of the replacement wheels but I've already sourced replacements. I shall try and have the three coaches running together soon.
Thanks again.
Oscar
Interesting on the Jinty that while it evolved with brass safety valves , lining etc the number on the BR version was always 47606. Great seeing the layout in action and love seeing old catalogues
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video. You would have thought that at some point someone would have thought of changing the number to add a variation. But possibly expensive to do as I think the number was part of the moulding on the smokebox door until quite late on. I think it was eventually blanked out in the early 70s for some of the later variations.
Oscar
Hi Oscar, another really good and informative video. I have this vintage 1955 R52 with slight warping, so hard to find them in this glossy almost straight out of the factory condition. The early'er tooling had a air gap under the boiler and above the wheel splashier of the first drive wheel, I believe this is before 1955. Look forward to your videos every Sunday, cheers.
Good morning Michael, it's great to hear you have an example of this early model and enjoyed the video. Thanks again for watching and taking the time to comment especially with the information about the early body moulding, it's hugely appreciated.
Oscar
Great video as usual Oscar. I remember having so many of those Triang trains as a kid. The Transcontinental diesel and steam trains especially. I have recently started collecting Hornby past catalogues.
It's a dangerous thing to start collecting the catalogues! It inevitably leads to wanting the items on the pages.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley You are so right Oscar.
Really enjoyable videos, Oscar. I've just managed to pick up a very early example of one of these, I believe from the 1953 production run, judging by the early decals and the gap in the moulding beneath the boiler behind the smokebox. It purports to be a runner, do you have any advice on the best oil to use for servicing?
Hi thanks for watching I really love these older models there is just something about them, lovely sound on the rails. I use a good quality light sewing machine oil for most things, Also HL657 white Grease I use this on the models with the later plastic gearing/worms.
Take care.
Oscar
Many thanks for the advice Oscar, much appreciated!
Very interesting vid for fans of early Triang. Their R20 coaches were prone to severe warping; the 2 behind the jinty look brand new! Where were they sourced Oscar?
I got lucky at my local Sunday market. Thanks.
Oscar
Oscar, I love watching your videos keep up the good work my friend. Your enthusiasm and love of these models I hope will inspire the younger generation to develope a love of things past. As for me I have always loved trains from the real thing to toys and accurate models. Please keep sharing your love of these brings back so many childhood memories, best regards Jim.
Hi Jim, glad you are enjoying the videos.Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave such a terrific comment.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley no problem my friend you are the man, I eagerly await your new vids every week
Great video oscar it looks great I have a triang minty and it is one of my best running locos after I took it apart and cleaned it up
Good morning David, theses old models do seem to run very well for their age and sit very well on the rails. Possibly there were produced to a higher standard than later modes.
Thanks.
Oscar
If you replaced the half curve, coming off of Point 17 with another point, you could add a useful head shunt spur in front of the signal box for parking locomotives when releasing a blocked in locomotive (on isolation) behind another in front.
Good evening Andy, that sounds like an interesting idea. I shall look into it, Thank you for the idea.
Oscar
Great video, thank you sir.
so cool!
Thank you Oscar - a nice video to watch whilst eating my porridge! I do like the look of the glossy finish, rather than the matt of later models. I wonder when the warping of the early models first became apparent and if that was the reason for the change in material, of were we just lucky that they did? I love the way your models run just as well as any modern item! :-)
Good morning Gord, they do look rather impressive in this shiny finish. Others in the comments have indicated that its the way the material was handled in production that cursed it to be unstable. I've also been told in the past that it could be being exposed to daylight and or extremes of heat. Whatever the reason was it seems the decision was made to use a more stable material by the mid-late 50s
Thanks again for taking the time to watch.
Oscar
That Jinty is running very smoothly across all those points! How do you do it? Are you a graduate of Hogwart's?
Hi Oscar, fascinated to see the r20 coaches. I have recently bought a few r21 coaches, most of which have suffered varying degrees of 'sag'. Do you know of any remedy or fix?
Hi Kevin. Can I refer you to Andy Reids excellent comment below of which I am going to have a go at.
Oscar
I have a fair few of these R.20 coaches and the steps do occasionally turn up transposed on the later 3rd class polystyrene versions suggesting a new mould tool was created. These also have the 8 planked corridor connector ends.
The 1st class coaches are numbered 7573 whilst the 3rd class coaches are numbered 27424 with the steps on the same side on both. This is also the same on the original Rovex coaches.
The Rovex Triang Mk.I diecast coupling loop is extremely brittle and are 99% of the time missing. I have only one with an intact coupling loop. These will uncouple if the counterweight is placed over the Series 2 and series 3 uncoupling ramp. The bogies also tend to go bronzey either in patches or totally with age.
Rovex sleeved coach wheels are tapered, Triang ones aren't.
The glazing on the Rovex coaches is celluloid and this seems to expand in length by 1 or 2 centimetres over 50 years.
Not all of the acetate bodies or roofs warp badly as they age. Some do and some don't. It seems to be factors involved during production from one day to the next and who was operating the moulding machine at the time.
Boiling a acetate "banana" roof in water, jigging it and letting it cool inside a jig over a few hours will reset it back to straight. The same goes for coach bodies. Once straightened the roof should be glued into place at either end with industrial superglue gel which will prevent it going banana shaped over the next 50 years.
Hello Oscar, I wanted to know what year Triang’s Jintys first ever came out to buy. Do you have any idea?
Thank you
Matt
Hi Matt, I think they came along in 1953. This page may be of interest www.tri-ang.co.uk/J72.html
Oscar
Oscar Paisley Thank you very much.
Hi mate love great video I have 3 E3001/81 electric locomotives and 2 class 82 converted from 2 class 81 bodys on my layout please keep the videos coming I remember a lot of the tri-ang hornby catalogues from the 1960/70s I which I had keap a lot of the models from at time but say Sara sara well time move on 😢😢 clive
Hi Clive, sounds like a great collection. Glad you are enjoying the videos.
Oscar
Hiya :)
@ 4:39 - I have an 0-6-0 Green GWR No. 8751 Tank Loco with the 2 middle wheels with no flanges (I think that what they are called!!!) I have noticed with both your Jinty & my Tank Loco - the motor is in the same place - sticking up @ a slight angle in the Cab!!!
Also @ %:15:- mine also the same undernieth - with the cog showing with the metal plate with the 2 screws!!!
Hi. Yes, they are flanges. It's the same basic chassis for both models. Thanks for watching.
Oscar
I remember my first Jinty cost 39/6d. My dad sold our Hornby tinplate to buy it. What interests me from the catalogue shown is the clockwork N2 0-6-2T. I've never seen that model before. Was it actually produced?
I have one. The loco, 7 plank open wagon and goods van were originally produced and sold by Trackmaster from 1949 until 1951 when Triang bought the tooling from them.
The whole mechanism is made from zinc, apart from the spring and control rods, and it is not very reliable. Mine doesn't run very well with tight spots. Zinc is semi soft so not the best choice to make gears out of and makes repairs tricky. Many bodies out there and many had the clockwork mechanism binned when it inevitably broke and had the body fitted onto an electric chassis of some description. One of these turned up on E-Bay recently.
The body is exactly to scale model of the GNR / LNER N2 0-6-2T hence why 1950's serious modellers would convert them. The running number was 68561.
The loco body is diecast and the wheels are insulated see through types. These only appeared on the N2 and it wasn't until the mid 1960's that they resurfaced again on the R.52 and R.152.
Good evening Pete,r I think Andy Reid has answered your question in the comment below. I must thank him again for the excellent information he has provided here and in many other comments on my channel. I do have a clockwork N2 Tank engine and as Andy pointed out the materials used to make the clockwork motor is not the best in the earlier models I am still trying to find a way of incorporating it into a video.
Oscar