A big shout out from the land of Looney Tunes. The United States of course. I really appreciate how you explain things. You're a great teacher when it comes to explaining RC for a Newbie like myself. You have definitely helped me out a lot when it comes to setting up Crossfire. Props to you and a huge thank you!
You pack so much knowledge in your videos that I find my self writing notes like I'm in college lol. Thanks so for all of your videos and time you spend in the hobby!
Thanks for your video and especially for comment about antenna positioning. I wondered about this question and didn't hope to find such full answer. The content you created here is extremely helpful.
I am about to get crsf V2 and it's my first time. Thanks to u, I got all info here in one video only and that too with radiomaster. Great info......your videos are always on time...... I highly appreciate your work!!!
Fantastic! Thanks a lot, Lee! 😃 I still don't have Crossfire... But I definitely want to! And I'm going to get it as soon as I can! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks to this video I have just ordered crossfire module and also gone HD with the DJI goggles as I feel like technology is over taking me I could have given it all up and saved myself ££££££s but, "I got the shivers up ma back bone" Thanks again Mr Painless your videos are no1. currently off work with covid 19 but nothings as good as retail therapy. just hope the Mrs sees it that way or I could be sending it all back..
15:06 thank you for the betaflight setup part, I've had mine on SBUS, didn't know to set it to CRSF even though I had the 4 wires soldered. The only thing is that I have telemetry off for toothpicks running JESC rpm filtering since it can mess with the rpm filters.
Michael, I am also fed up with R9M. The failsafe is coming up constantly, even when the drone not going distant. I did all updates, but the problem keeps on.
Thanks for the video, Lee. Crossfire might be my next step, but I’ll probably get the tango 2 radio, to save me from the hassle of working with the module and my old qx7
Main reason I haven't gone to crossfire. I invested in a qx7 right after they first came out (b4 crossfire existed) and even though I would likely not notice the added delay if I used software fix and with my skills could most likely do hardware mod I just can't bring myself to spend that much when I won't get full use or will have to risk my radio with mod.
Great content 👍 Much much respect for Trappy and TBS. I switched to CRSF and have literally never have had a single fail safe. I was die hard Spektrum and actually still use my Spektrum radio still. I can help anyone trying to use CRSF on a DX8 if they need help. Cheers 👍
I am a back yard RC flyer of foamie planes and an assortment of FPV mini quads. I use Taranis X9D and X-Lite. I have a variety of receivers, but for the quads it is exclusively the XM+. Checking out the Crossfire gear, I wonder what would be the benefits I could expect for the investment. I don't fly further away than I would care to have to walk to find and retrieve my model and I am not into racing - Cinewhoops are my favorite, but I do have a Tiny Hawk and a 7" cruiser quad I built too. Your thoughts?
A lot of the BNF systems offer Crossfire but in terms of the benefits for the way you fly they are limited. The CRSF protocol is faster than SBUS and you might be able to fly safely in places with too much interference for 2.4ghz...Happy flying
I could not get my nano RX to bind, with Mircro TX 2 (both new, out of the box). Took a while to figure out, but finally got it to bind. Had to go into Agent X, Triple dot menu (top right), check the "include beta firmware" box. Go back to "XF Micro TX", Click Firmware, and updated to 4.0. After update, I was able to update nano rx, and bind. From update release notes "- fixed: Bind issues for some units" Post as of: 08-30-2020
Hi there just bought a second hand Taranis QX7s with full size Crossfire TX already installed ... the inverter mode has been done professionally But I noticed the 6VDC pin in the JR bay has been bent over out of the way ( looks intentional )... anyway the Crossfire TX seems to work perfectly Searched the internet to see if this pin is necessary...no info except to find that the QX7s does not have a 6V regulator ...I don’t want to try and bend the pin back if not need ie.. “if it’s working don’t try and fix it !” Got any ideas... love the channel Cheers Phil 😊👍
Thanks Lee, I am considering Crossfire, but am going to wait and see how the new 2.4 systems shake out before I make a purchase. Are you planning to review those?
Knowing the little I do about wave propagation, I do not understand why they are going with 2.4. Basic physics (maybe not so basic) make it impossible for it to penetrate better or travel farther. Not to mention interference. Admittedly I'm ignorant of the difference in the new long range 2.4s vs old school 2.4. If I hadn't used dji 2.4 I'd say it was all hype and lies but ive used 2.4 that out does my long range. I don't understand it though if what Ive read and been tought about these very topics was true.
@D I like to see sweeping statements :) Yes, in Europe it is an issue with limited bandwidth/power in legal mode. What 2.4G system and info are you on about?
Immersion and Flysky have come out with 2.4 long range. Check out Pawel’s review. In a few months, prices will come down on all of them. Competition is good.
At 3:04 you mention that FrSky radios have a slow inverter, which do not allow the crossfire tx to run at full speed. Does this apply to the x9d too (and would I need to do the hardware mod for this radio too), or does that run the crossfire micro tx v1 at full speed?
Just for information: team-blacksheep.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/4000133896-do-i-need-taranis-mod-inverter-for-my-frsky-radio- this was another of the sources of the original confusion for me (thank you for alleviating my concerns)
Thank you so much for this video. It has helped greatly to verify some points that was confusing to me in the manual. Looking forward to possible Arducopter/Matek F405 Std/Crossfire/Mavlink/Mission Planner configuration tips. Thank you again for all you do!!!
Hey Lee. I have a quick question I hope you can answer: On the Crossfire Diversity Nano (and maybe full size as well), how do you keep the GPS powered while it's in beacon (find) mode? I can't figure it out. When I disconnect the main lipo, the RX stays alive but the GPS goes dark. I don't get it. Is there a hidden 3.3v or 5v output on the RX or something? I could connect it directly to the 1s backup lipo but that would mean death for the battery pretty quickly unless I remember to disconnect it every time I land. Hope you have the answer.
Hello Lee. I hope you are doing well in the lockdown. The US doesn't seem to be too far behind the UK. I am planning to switch over to crossfire from Frsky. But today I went to purchase Crossfire at TBS site and the price has dropped $50USD. Do you know if there is a new version about to be released? If so, i will wait for the new version. Thank you and keep up the great videos they have helped me tremendously. Roger
I’ve just purchased a brand new teranis qx7s . Will I need to make the internal modification or has this now been sorted. Thanks in anticipation. Great channel bud.
Nice overview! Been flying CRSF on multirotors for a while. Now interested in exploring some fixed wing flying. I have been setting up a simple foam plane with the TBS 6ch PWM adapter. On the back of the PCB there are pads marked VRx, Vsens. I am hoping this might send Rx battery voltage back by telemetry, but cant find any documentation on this feature. Do you have any details you can share about this?
On my 5", I have the T mounted horizontal, at the rear on a 3D mount so the tips are not touching the rear arms. On 100mW (am I right this is max for UK?), I can get about 400-500m flying away from me (ideal alignment) before it drops into the 50Hz range (100-199 LQ). It often won't get back to 150Hz till it's very close in; presumably due a worse alignment. I had sort of assumed that, even on a freestyle quad, i'd never drop out of the 150Hz band on 100mw, FPV flying at my flying club. Unrealistic expectation?
I wish you would have done the entire vid with the T16,,, I just got crossfire v2 starter kit,,, and have been following you and your T16, I got a little lost but I hear you say that I need to set crsf rx and tx... but wondering how my new bnf nazgul hd with crossfire will come set up?
How does this interface with the Flysky Paladin? I see it has CRSF in the RF setup. Is it just a case of selecting this protocol and will you then get further menu options to configure the TBS unit? Great video as always thanks.
Thnx for the tutorial, was very useful & appreciated. Your quad looks really great! You're in Europe, me too, should come around, I'm sure I could learn a lot from you! Take care & fun flyin'
Hi thanks great info.. But what is the difference between a Nano SE and the Immortal T v2.. It seems the Nano SE comes with a smaller Immortal T and the V2 is more powerful antenna which you can buy separately .. Or is the SE version the same??
Hello, I would like to buy a "Tbs crossfire MICRO tx v2" and mount an "Diamond Antenna", but I see that the new crossfire versions already have a T-antenna installed. Is it possible to remove it to mount the diamond antenna or you have to keep the one already combined with the module? thanks a lot for all the videos, they are always very useful.
Thank you very much for this very useful information, I have been looking for a long time how to connect my Pixhawk Lite with the nanno receiver via SBUS, now I can calibrate RC with the MP
Thank you for explanations. I had a problems with setup. The problem was in In the purity of the signal between EU and US. Thank you ! Like + describe !!! :))
Lee, I get that Crossfire is a great complement to Inav, but what about Ardupilot? I appreciate it'll work sbus and all that, but what about telemetry? please include a video that discusses this in the series, Thx Andy
Thanks for all you do! Do you have a post detailing in more depth how to get CRSF working on INAV with a Matek FC? I'm confused about assigning the spare UART and the settings in INAV specifically.
Last one. I've watched a few posts about VTX control over Smartaudio. Using TBS Unify Pro 32 and F405 with the new Adjustments menu option I've set up VTX power levels. On my OSD the power level number only blinks but doesn't change. Is this a firmware issue?
I know that a lot of people seem to like the Radiomaster TX16s, but if you had to recommend another radio to look at for entry level, what would it be? Thanks.
I'm into the third video already and also looked online to try to understand, is this intended to replace my regular receivers or work in conjunction with them?
@@Painless360 Thanks. I'm looking to extend the range of my sik radios to be more in line with my Rx8R pro/ x8r receivers. This would allow me to ditch the sik radios as well then, right? Is this why people are using TBS Crossfire? Can you suggest anything like a longer range sik radio? Is that what Crossfire is for? Is so, can I install redundant receivers with Crossfire like I use with RX8R Pro and X8R? For example, If I need two receivers for the aircraft, and another one on my gimbal, can I do that like I can with X8R? Connect to all three at the same time? I realize I can use TBS Crossfire from the external RX while also using the X8R from the internal module of the Taranis, but I want to use only one protocol, is that possible?
That is a huge number of questions. Here are the short answers: 1) It could, depends on what you use them for 2) For long range, Crossfire is hard to beat 3) Yes and flying in places where 2.4Ghz doesn't work well 4) I don't think you can. Maybe as you can bind multiples.. 5) If you want only one protocol then not with Crossfire and FrSky
Please can you tell me a setup for Skywalker Titan. I like to fly long range 40km and i have a taranis fry sky x9d from 2015. Would you prefer the h743 or pixhawk cube`?
Query from India Please make this same discriptive video for R9m module and r9mx receiver. Also suggest a budget flight control for the receiver connection.
I want a crossfire tx module and a walksnail fpv rx module on a tripod with as long of cables as practical so i can put the tripod up higher and get all around better range . Or watch fpv on a video projector screen or sit in shade on a hit day . Spotters can run around in the sun . Does a shielded cable between the tx and the crossfire module have a limit to a few meters ? I want the module up higher on the tripid and me still on the ground . Finding a place to fly with good line of sight for good radio control link is important to me .
@@xeriamaned X9D+ SE "2019" and previous X9D models do not need the mod/inverter... 😁 I just received both of my CRSF transmitters, the Full size and the Micro TX V2, and they work perfectly in my X9D+ SE "2019" and my Jumper T18.🔥 All is well. 😎 Have fun and enjoy! ✌🏼
I would recommend something like a Bixler first if you want to get into fixed wing. Check out my Kit Picks 2020 video for my wing choices.. Happy flying
Great video! Got yourself a new subscriber. Is the FrSky inverter mod necessary on all FrSky radios? I thought that was only necessary on like, QX7 and the older Horus radios. I currently have the x9d+2019 I have Crossfire module and Rx in the mail
With the sbus and crsf part you helped me a lot.Thanks man!🙏 If i wired up my crossfire nano as sbus, then do i need set in the taranis external module(crsf micro tx v2) sbus or crsf?
Hlo Sir I am from Nepal and my friend lives in the USA.He is coming to Nepal in his vacation the problem is is it legal to carry the TBS Crossfire Micro TX V2 with him in his bag will airport authority allow him plz suggest something
I got a nano and soldered on the pwm 6 channel adaptor,, it's bound and updated,, but won't arm my plane or move any servos..watching all your vids again to try to figure out what I'm missing....hmm? For output chapel I tried setting to ch1 to ch1 which is pwm ch1 I thought, but still can't seem to get them to talk... On my tx16s I don't see PWM as an option? Is ch 1 actually pwm ch1???
Thanks for the informative video. I'm very interested in the horizontal antenna mounts on the bottom of your quad. Are they 3D printed or readymade? Could you let me know where or how I can get them? Thanks.
Dumb question but when you install Crossfire can you still fly your models that aren't running crossfire receivers. For example I have quads with Frsky receivers but want to run Crossfire on a long range quad build. Is it just a matter of setting up the model in the transmitter to use the Crossfire module instead of the built in signal?
Great video, I've been trying to add GPS display on my TX16S , with TBS Nano receiver. my telemetry is not showing GPS coordinates and main on board battery readings. What do I do to get the data to display? I have the Matek F-405 Wing FC on my AR wing.
@@Painless360 I am running INaV. I’ve decided to get my feet wet trying Crossfire. My previous hardware was frsky R9M with a R9 MM mini receiver connecting the RSSI input to the flight controller output to receive data on my radio. I see that the TBS nano receiver has 4 additional connections and 2 of them that has me curious about are BSL SCL and BSL SDA I was wondering if this could be used for input for data? One great thing about having the GPS coordinates display on the transmitter display is that I could take a picture of the Coordinates off my transmitter screen and paste them in a software on my phone and get GPS location on the spot.
Hello. I had experienced some issues with TBS Micro V2 module in my Jumper T16. After couple of days investigating and talking with vendor, TBS, and even local RC shop I have found out that Crossfire was NOT working due to locked module. This should not happen but good to know for other multi-module owners. Module locking is there to comply with local law e.g. in Europe we can only do 25mW power legally. . . Anyway. . .just letting you know just in case somebody had/have the same issue and would like to throw their multimodule or TBS Micro so far away. :-) They do not have to do that now! 😃Problem solved by unlocking the module by clicking bind button 10x.
I have covered this in my Crossfire videos. team-blacksheep.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/4000099976-region-crossfire-locked-no-frequency-selection-and-limited-power-selection-under-general-menu covers it too. Glad you sorted it out.
@@Painless360 Mine wasn't even binding at all when locked. It was just sitting there doing nothing (yellowish glowing light all the time). Sorted out when unlocked. That is what I wanted to say. If you have video on this issue I shut up then. 😀
I can't seem to figure out an answer to this, but if I have a Crossfire Micro and a Flight Controller with pins installed, how would I wire that up? The Crossfire Micro comes with smaller cables that don't have the typical Servo Leads at the end. Would I just have to remove the pins from the FC and solder directly, or is there a cable I could find? I tend to swap Rx's on my FC from time to time which is why I have pins soldered on.
I have problem with crossfire, many failsafe less than 1km with 1 watt power, and RSSI strength drop instantly (not gradual). Maybe I placed the antennas horizontally or it hardware defect? Will try moving it vertical tomorrow. Thanks Lee for your help. Another idea for video: How to Install Crossfire on inav (Wiring,Telemetry, Failsafe), the Correct Way + Tips. xD
@@Painless360 I am new to the TBS ecosystem and 900MHz in general. I used my old radios until I lost a model due to losing radio link on 2.4GHz. My financial advisor (wife) said its time to upgrade my old radio. That was a lot to really just say I don't know which crossfire module to choose and why one is better than another besides output power. Same with their rx and the different options there. I can do research and reading but I respect your opinion and know that you will give honest information.
Check out the kit picks video from last summer. Nothing major has changed from then. RadioMaster TX16s, Crossfire or Tracer for the module. Modern radios are much better at solid 2.4 than older protocols we call used so you may not need a separate module..
Hi Painless! I'm a little confused about which module to get. Currently, I'm running DragonLink on the FrSky Taranis X9D Plus. I fly quads and fixed wing and use a head tracker, so I'm assuming I need the full blown version? I'm also concerned about how I'm affected with the inverter situation. Are you able to clear things up for me? Thanks!
The original Taranis you have or one of the new ACCESS capable radios should all be able to run Crossfire and Tracer at full speed.. See my recent video chats with Trappy..
I am a begineer. I just got a Flywoo Baby 1S with CRSF I am unable to ARM it. Attached IMG # # status MCU F411 Clock=108MHz (PLLP-HSE), Vref=3.30V, Core temp=42degC Stack size: 2048, Stack address: 0x2001fff0 Config size: 3924, Max available config: 16384 Gyros detected: gyro 1 GYRO=MPU6000, ACC=MPU6000 OSD: MAX7456 System Uptime: 310 seconds, Current Time: 2022-11-26T18:08:10.390+00:00 CPU:7%, cycle time: 125, GYRO rate: 8000, RX rate: 49, System rate: 9 Voltage: 4 * 0.01V (0S battery - NOT PRESENT) I2C Errors: 0 SD card: Not configured Arming disable flags: BADRX CLI MSP RPMFILTER ARMSWITCH # Everything else seems to connect. Please help. Thanks in advance
You appear to have a few things to check. You need to look at the arming disable flags. You can see how to fix them here - github.com/betaflight/betaflight/wiki/Arming-Sequence-&-Safety best of luck
Thanks for doing it=) I would have a question tho i would like to try and maybe use it on a plane aswell and i am currently looking at what antenna would be the best for long range and a strong signal but since a plane is a bit different i would like to maybe if its possible back the reciever up with a traditional 2.4 ghz diversity receiver so that if one fails there wont be much damage. and since the Radiomaster for example have both 2.4 internal and 900mhz external capabilities i wondered if you would be able to set it up in such a way =) Thank you so much and I hope you can get that to work ! =)
@@Painless360 true but idk how it behaves without diversity behind a big wooden structure with paint on it and i have heared that people had failsafes even with the crossfire becouse of the antenna being in the wrong place or smth. and i cant risk that happening with i abig heavy plane. So while i test out its null points and best antenna placement on it i think a backup would be usefull or wouldnt it? and would you be able to do it? Thanks for your answer.
Hi Lee, I just learned all recent Crossfire modules contain a WiFi chip to get telemetry to a phone or computer. I think for now it needs an extra UART for mavlink in addition to CRSF. Maybe an idea for a video?
@@Painless360 Great. This crossfire stuff isn't always easy and the information is always scattered around the internet it seems. You always manage to explain everything clearly though. Thanks for that.
Very nice explanation. Could you explain in a future video how to setup telemetry streaming to QGroundControl or similar software for each of the transmitter variants?
@@cracymarc thanks for the reply, but the manual is not clear especially given the product specifications from some vendors say the function is not available.
the manual hase been updated a few days ago. make sure you are not using a old version of it (should be revsion 28.08.2020). let me know if you still miss something in there
@@cracymarc I just downloaded the manual from the TBS website. It's not clear whether telemetry streaming via TBS Cloud is supported on the micro TX V2 or not.
Just spoke to a dealer in Australia who said telemetry streaming over TBS Cloud is not currently supported on the Micro TX V2. It would be great to have confirmation on this point from TBS or Painless
Hi I'm just a bit stuck at the moment on which crossfire module I need to purchase for my tx16s. I have a nazgul 5HD that has tbs nano. Do I purchase a tbs micro v2 or tbs nano tx module?
@@Painless360 thank you soooo much! One more final question, I also have a cinelog30 equipped with tbs nano on the way, do I need to purchase a 2nd tbs antenna for it to work with this quad as well or can I use the stock one that comes in the package of the micro v2 to work with both drones?
Dragon link? Im most likely just ignorant but ive been flying and building quads for 3 years and I've never even heard of it. Either terrible marketing, extremely expensive, or just not as good. Which is it, or please explain my ignorance gently😉
@@HDgodfrey Same thing happened to me with Crossfire. I was so happy with my Dragon Link that I guess I blocked everything else out. The initial setup is a bit more expensive - well worth it if you want rock solid range and control. Range is 40 to 50 KM right out of the box with stock antennas. Zero interference too. I think it is the 433 MHZ frequency which makes it so reliable.
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You‘re video just came at the perfect time. Rainy weather, all the stuff on the bench and let‘s go. Thanks.
A big shout out from the land of Looney Tunes. The United States of course. I really appreciate how you explain things. You're a great teacher when it comes to explaining RC for a Newbie like myself. You have definitely helped me out a lot when it comes to setting up Crossfire. Props to you and a huge thank you!
You pack so much knowledge in your videos that I find my self writing notes like I'm in college lol. Thanks so for all of your videos and time you spend in the hobby!
Thanks for your video and especially for comment about antenna positioning. I wondered about this question and didn't hope to find such full answer. The content you created here is extremely helpful.
I am about to get crsf V2 and it's my first time. Thanks to u, I got all info here in one video only and that too with radiomaster. Great info......your videos are always on time...... I highly appreciate your work!!!
Fantastic! Thanks a lot, Lee! 😃
I still don't have Crossfire... But I definitely want to! And I'm going to get it as soon as I can! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks to this video I have just ordered crossfire module and also gone HD with the DJI goggles as I feel like technology is over taking me I could have given it all up and saved myself ££££££s but, "I got the shivers up ma back bone" Thanks again Mr Painless your videos are no1.
currently off work with covid 19 but nothings as good as retail therapy. just hope the Mrs sees it that way or I could be sending it all back..
Just ordered my crossfire 2 days ago. Cant wait till i get it and thanks for this video it helps me a lot.
Being old school I typically RTFM (Read The Full Manual), but this video clears up a bunch of questions. Very painless, thanks.
15:06 thank you for the betaflight setup part, I've had mine on SBUS, didn't know to set it to CRSF even though I had the 4 wires soldered. The only thing is that I have telemetry off for toothpicks running JESC rpm filtering since it can mess with the rpm filters.
Thank you. Just preordered the crsf nano tx, fed up with FrSky and R9. New sub.
Welcome to the channel
Michael, I am also fed up with R9M. The failsafe is coming up constantly, even when the drone not going distant. I did all updates, but the problem keeps on.
Thanks for the video, Lee. Crossfire might be my next step, but I’ll probably get the tango 2 radio, to save me from the hassle of working with the module and my old qx7
Main reason I haven't gone to crossfire. I invested in a qx7 right after they first came out (b4 crossfire existed) and even though I would likely not notice the added delay if I used software fix and with my skills could most likely do hardware mod I just can't bring myself to spend that much when I won't get full use or will have to risk my radio with mod.
Good tip about antenna mounting! 👍
As always, very well done! Wish this would have been out about a month and a half ago when I finally jumped into the CRSF realm.
Non of the content is new, it's all already in the Cross series on the channel. Happy flying
From Florida, USA.. Thank you very much and stay safe:)
Great content 👍 Much much respect for Trappy and TBS. I switched to CRSF and have literally never have had a single fail safe. I was die hard Spektrum and actually still use my Spektrum radio still. I can help anyone trying to use CRSF on a DX8 if they need help. Cheers 👍
2 years old I know.... but I have a DX8 G2 and a FMS Fox 3000. Is there hope for me?
Very useful and much appreciated. Saved for when I upgrade!
Great review mate....looking to get crossfire one day so this will be my go too video and channel!!...cheers
Hello, is that module compatible with flysky th9x radio?
Very in depth information. Thank you for taking time to do that and help us.
I am a back yard RC flyer of foamie planes and an assortment of FPV mini quads. I use Taranis X9D and X-Lite. I have a variety of receivers, but for the quads it is exclusively the XM+.
Checking out the Crossfire gear, I wonder what would be the benefits I could expect for the investment. I don't fly further away than I would care to have to walk to find and retrieve my model and I am not into racing - Cinewhoops are my favorite, but I do have a Tiny Hawk and a 7" cruiser quad I built too. Your thoughts?
A lot of the BNF systems offer Crossfire but in terms of the benefits for the way you fly they are limited. The CRSF protocol is faster than SBUS and you might be able to fly safely in places with too much interference for 2.4ghz...Happy flying
Fantastic video! Thank you very much. You're channel is amazing!
I could not get my nano RX to bind, with Mircro TX 2 (both new, out of the box). Took a while to figure out, but finally got it to bind. Had to go into Agent X, Triple dot menu (top right), check the "include beta firmware" box. Go back to "XF Micro TX", Click Firmware, and updated to 4.0. After update, I was able to update nano rx, and bind. From update release notes "- fixed: Bind issues for some units" Post as of: 08-30-2020
Hi there just bought a second hand Taranis QX7s with full size Crossfire TX already installed ... the inverter mode has been done professionally
But I noticed the 6VDC pin in the JR bay has been bent over out of the way
( looks intentional )... anyway the Crossfire TX seems to work perfectly
Searched the internet to see if this pin is necessary...no info except to find that the QX7s does not have a 6V regulator ...I don’t want to try and bend the pin back if not need ie..
“if it’s working don’t try and fix it !”
Got any ideas... love the channel
Cheers Phil 😊👍
I've never seen that but as you say 'if it works...'. Happy flying!
Crossfire is awesome, I haven’t had any problems yet
Thanks Lee, I am considering Crossfire, but am going to wait and see how the new 2.4 systems shake out before I make a purchase. Are you planning to review those?
Lots more planned. Some of it special to this channel. Stay tuned!
Probably a good idea, every man and his dog will have a version of 2.4g lora system soon.
Knowing the little I do about wave propagation, I do not understand why they are going with 2.4. Basic physics (maybe not so basic) make it impossible for it to penetrate better or travel farther. Not to mention interference. Admittedly I'm ignorant of the difference in the new long range 2.4s vs old school 2.4. If I hadn't used dji 2.4 I'd say it was all hype and lies but ive used 2.4 that out does my long range. I don't understand it though if what Ive read and been tought about these very topics was true.
@D I like to see sweeping statements :) Yes, in Europe it is an issue with limited bandwidth/power in legal mode. What 2.4G system and info are you on about?
Immersion and Flysky have come out with 2.4 long range. Check out Pawel’s review. In a few months, prices will come down on all of them. Competition is good.
Thanks, just received crsf module recently!
Another great and straight forward video. Thank you for all that you do.
Another great, easy to follow, video by the Painless Brit! 😎🤘
At 3:04 you mention that FrSky radios have a slow inverter, which do not allow the crossfire tx to run at full speed. Does this apply to the x9d too (and would I need to do the hardware mod for this radio too), or does that run the crossfire micro tx v1 at full speed?
The Taranis has always had a full speed inverter. All of their new ACCESS capable radios do too. Almost everything else doesn't.
@@Painless360 thank you 👍
Just for information: team-blacksheep.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/4000133896-do-i-need-taranis-mod-inverter-for-my-frsky-radio- this was another of the sources of the original confusion for me (thank you for alleviating my concerns)
Thanks lee for the great tips tricks and reviews my friend.stsy safe buddy
Thank you so much for this video. It has helped greatly to verify some points that was confusing to me in the manual. Looking forward to possible Arducopter/Matek F405 Std/Crossfire/Mavlink/Mission Planner configuration tips. Thank you again for all you do!!!
Check out the Crossfire playlist and my Arduplane/Matek/Crossfire buuld from last summer.... Happy flying
Hey Lee. I have a quick question I hope you can answer:
On the Crossfire Diversity Nano (and maybe full size as well), how do you keep the GPS powered while it's in beacon (find) mode? I can't figure it out. When I disconnect the main lipo, the RX stays alive but the GPS goes dark. I don't get it. Is there a hidden 3.3v or 5v output on the RX or something?
I could connect it directly to the 1s backup lipo but that would mean death for the battery pretty quickly unless I remember to disconnect it every time I land. Hope you have the answer.
Hello Lee. I hope you are doing well in the lockdown. The US doesn't seem to be too far behind the UK. I am planning to switch over to crossfire from Frsky. But today I went to purchase Crossfire at TBS site and the price has dropped $50USD. Do you know if there is a new version about to be released? If so, i will wait for the new version. Thank you and keep up the great videos they have helped me tremendously. Roger
Instant download! Thanks man!
Please don't download my videos. Happy flying!
Great instructions! Happy to find your channel!
Welcome to the channel!
Thank you so much Lee. This helps a lot 👍🏾
I’ve just purchased a brand new teranis qx7s . Will I need to make the internal modification or has this now been sorted. Thanks in anticipation. Great channel bud.
Probably. Frsky only bothered to fit the faster inverter when they went to ACCESS... Happy flying
@@Painless360 thanks for the reply. Is there any way I would be able to tell?
If it has, it'll have ACCESS written on it (NOT ACCST)
@@Painless360 thanks bud. I will have to take a look when I’m next in the workshop.
19:05: Is this a dipole? If so, shouldn't the two ends be mounted 180 deg apart instead of 90?
Check out the antenna alignment video and the FPV antenna lab series... All detail in the video has been technically vetted by TBS. .. Happy flying
Nice overview! Been flying CRSF on multirotors for a while. Now interested in exploring some fixed wing flying. I have been setting up a simple foam plane with the TBS 6ch PWM adapter. On the back of the PCB there are pads marked VRx, Vsens. I am hoping this might send Rx battery voltage back by telemetry, but cant find any documentation on this feature. Do you have any details you can share about this?
On my 5", I have the T mounted horizontal, at the rear on a 3D mount so the tips are not touching the rear arms. On 100mW (am I right this is max for UK?), I can get about 400-500m flying away from me (ideal alignment) before it drops into the 50Hz range (100-199 LQ). It often won't get back to 150Hz till it's very close in; presumably due a worse alignment. I had sort of assumed that, even on a freestyle quad, i'd never drop out of the 150Hz band on 100mw, FPV flying at my flying club. Unrealistic expectation?
Great video. I followed you step by step. In crossfire configuration, I get Tracer Micro TX not XF micro TX..Why?
I'd check for an update. Sounds like a bug
I wish you would have done the entire vid with the T16,,, I just got crossfire v2 starter kit,,, and have been following you and your T16, I got a little lost but I hear you say that I need to set crsf rx and tx... but wondering how my new bnf nazgul hd with crossfire will come set up?
The LUA script is the same. Happy flying!
How does this interface with the Flysky Paladin? I see it has CRSF in the RF setup. Is it just a case of selecting this protocol and will you then get further menu options to configure the TBS unit? Great video as always thanks.
Thnx for the tutorial, was very useful & appreciated. Your quad looks really great! You're in Europe, me too, should come around, I'm sure I could learn a lot from you! Take care & fun flyin'
Hi thanks great info.. But what is the difference between a Nano SE and the Immortal T v2.. It seems the Nano SE comes with a smaller Immortal T and the V2 is more powerful antenna which you can buy separately .. Or is the SE version the same??
I've not had one in with a different antenna but I've not ordered one recently.. Best of luck!
Hello, I would like to buy a "Tbs crossfire MICRO tx v2" and mount an "Diamond Antenna", but I see that the new crossfire versions already have a T-antenna installed.
Is it possible to remove it to mount the diamond antenna or you have to keep the one already combined with the module?
thanks a lot for all the videos, they are always very useful.
I believe you can but I've not done it here. See my chat with Trappy about it..
OMG Another Tron fan! Both the new as well as the original. :)
Thank you very much for this very useful information, I have been looking for a long time how to connect my Pixhawk Lite with the nanno receiver via SBUS, now I can calibrate RC with the MP
Thank you for explanations. I had a problems with setup. The problem was in In the purity of the signal between EU and US. Thank you ! Like + describe !!! :))
Lee, I get that Crossfire is a great complement to Inav, but what about Ardupilot? I appreciate it'll work sbus and all that, but what about telemetry? please include a video that discusses this in the series, Thx Andy
Check out the ArduPlane/Crossfire/ARWing build on the channel..... Happy flying
Great video! Thank you!
Thanks for all you do! Do you have a post detailing in more depth how to get CRSF working on INAV with a Matek FC? I'm confused about assigning the spare UART and the settings in INAV specifically.
Yep. See my INAV setups in the lockdown build..
@@Painless360 Thanks so much
Last one. I've watched a few posts about VTX control over Smartaudio. Using TBS Unify Pro 32 and F405 with the new Adjustments menu option I've set up VTX power levels. On my OSD the power level number only blinks but doesn't change. Is this a firmware issue?
Very good as usual.
Thanks!
I know that a lot of people seem to like the Radiomaster TX16s, but if you had to recommend another radio to look at for entry level, what would it be? Thanks.
See my Kit Picks 2020 video. There are very few changes from the ones in there. The TX16s is popular for lots of very good reasons. Best of luck!
I'm into the third video already and also looked online to try to understand, is this intended to replace my regular receivers or work in conjunction with them?
Replace
@@Painless360 Thanks. I'm looking to extend the range of my sik radios to be more in line with my Rx8R pro/ x8r receivers. This would allow me to ditch the sik radios as well then, right? Is this why people are using TBS Crossfire? Can you suggest anything like a longer range sik radio? Is that what Crossfire is for? Is so, can I install redundant receivers with Crossfire like I use with RX8R Pro and X8R? For example, If I need two receivers for the aircraft, and another one on my gimbal, can I do that like I can with X8R? Connect to all three at the same time? I realize I can use TBS Crossfire from the external RX while also using the X8R from the internal module of the Taranis, but I want to use only one protocol, is that possible?
That is a huge number of questions. Here are the short answers:
1) It could, depends on what you use them for
2) For long range, Crossfire is hard to beat
3) Yes and flying in places where 2.4Ghz doesn't work well
4) I don't think you can. Maybe as you can bind multiples..
5) If you want only one protocol then not with Crossfire and FrSky
i just got my tx16x combo day . im going to use it on my drones and i want to put it on a areo scout. i cant wait
im having problems with my crossfire micro my tx16s says reload crossfire fw
I have a video on that. You've got the new Nano 3 Rx...
Gretting from GER, thx for all the Videos
Please can you tell me a setup for Skywalker Titan. I like to fly long range 40km and i have a taranis fry sky x9d from 2015. Would you prefer the h743 or pixhawk cube`?
Depends on a few things. ua-cam.com/video/te4D_fjBVfM/v-deo.html covers my thoughts..
i prefer ezuhf to this. much simpler to set up and a solid signal at 433mhz. but the receiver is bigger and heavier compared to the tiny one for this.
Query from India
Please make this same discriptive video for R9m module and r9mx receiver.
Also suggest a budget flight control for the receiver connection.
Thanks for the idea but I don't use the R9M stiff here. See my ELRS videos... Happy flying
I want a crossfire tx module and a walksnail fpv rx module on a tripod with as long of cables as practical so i can put the tripod up higher and get all around better range . Or watch fpv on a video projector screen or sit in shade on a hit day . Spotters can run around in the sun . Does a shielded cable between the tx and the crossfire module have a limit to a few meters ? I want the module up higher on the tripid and me still on the ground . Finding a place to fly with good line of sight for good radio control link is important to me .
I've not tried it, best of luck with it. Sorry I can't be more help.
excellent video, very rich in information :)
Thanks Lee, I have just invested in this system. Is the inverter just for the QX7 or all Taranis models?
Same Question!
team-blacksheep.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/4000133896-do-i-need-taranis-mod-inverter-for-my-frsky-radio-
@@Painless360 thank you 😊!
@@Painless360 Thanks, as the X9 D plus isn't listed, I assume it doesn't require the mod.
@@xeriamaned X9D+ SE "2019" and previous X9D models do not need the mod/inverter... 😁
I just received both of my CRSF transmitters, the Full size and the Micro TX V2, and they work perfectly in my X9D+ SE "2019" and my Jumper T18.🔥
All is well. 😎
Have fun and enjoy! ✌🏼
Hello sir, is there any particular FPV wing you would recommend for a beginner? Thanks for the awesome vids!
I would recommend something like a Bixler first if you want to get into fixed wing. Check out my Kit Picks 2020 video for my wing choices.. Happy flying
Great video! Got yourself a new subscriber.
Is the FrSky inverter mod necessary on all FrSky radios?
I thought that was only necessary on like, QX7 and the older Horus radios.
I currently have the x9d+2019
I have Crossfire module and Rx in the mail
The situation is changing all the time so check out the TBS site for the latest... Happy flying
great video i always watch the biginners videos if are interesting
With the sbus and crsf part you helped me a lot.Thanks man!🙏
If i wired up my crossfire nano as sbus, then do i need set in the taranis external module(crsf micro tx v2) sbus or crsf?
You pick the same one. So if you wired it up as SBUS you need to configure the Crossfire reciever output to SBUS too.. Best of luck
Hlo Sir I am from Nepal and my friend lives in the USA.He is coming to Nepal in his vacation the problem is is it legal to carry the TBS Crossfire Micro TX V2 with him in his bag will airport authority allow him plz suggest something
I've no idea. Best of luck!
I got a nano and soldered on the pwm 6 channel adaptor,, it's bound and updated,, but won't arm my plane or move any servos..watching all your vids again to try to figure out what I'm missing....hmm? For output chapel I tried setting to ch1 to ch1 which is pwm ch1 I thought, but still can't seem to get them to talk... On my tx16s I don't see PWM as an option? Is ch 1 actually pwm ch1???
You usually need output one on the Rx configured as SBUS for the FC - see my builds using Crossfire.. Best of luck!
Hi. Thanks a lot for all your videos!!! One question - Do You have idea where to buy full module recently in EU or UK ?
You'll need to keep a watchful eye on the main TBS resellers as they sell out fast.. best of luck
Thanks for the informative video. I'm very interested in the horizontal antenna mounts on the bottom of your quad. Are they 3D printed or readymade? Could you let me know where or how I can get them? Thanks.
They are just bits of foam and cable ties. Happy flying
@@Painless360wow I couldn't imagine they've been made in that simple way. They look so cool and nice and neat.
Often the simple way is the most elegant. Happy flying!
Dumb question but when you install Crossfire can you still fly your models that aren't running crossfire receivers. For example I have quads with Frsky receivers but want to run Crossfire on a long range quad build. Is it just a matter of setting up the model in the transmitter to use the Crossfire module instead of the built in signal?
Yes the Crossfire module doesn't stop anything else on the radio working. You select what you want on a model by model basis. Happy flying
Painless360 Thank you for the quick response. Looking forward to watching more of your videos.
Great video, I've been trying to add GPS display on my TX16S , with TBS Nano receiver. my telemetry is not showing GPS coordinates and main on board battery readings. What do I do to get the data to display? I have the Matek F-405 Wing FC on my AR wing.
It depends on what you are running on the flight controller. I have videos for both INAV and Ardupilot setups..
@@Painless360 I am running INaV. I’ve decided to get my feet wet trying Crossfire. My previous hardware was frsky R9M with a R9 MM mini receiver connecting the RSSI input to the flight controller output to receive data on my radio. I see that the TBS nano receiver has 4 additional connections and 2 of them that has me curious about are BSL SCL and BSL SDA I was wondering if this could be used for input for data? One great thing about having the GPS coordinates display on the transmitter display is that I could take a picture of the Coordinates off my transmitter screen and paste them in a software on my phone and get GPS location on the spot.
I use the INAV lua script here. May be what you want... Best of luck
@@Painless360 Thanks so much, always enjoy your video contains.
Wow, amazing, such great info, thank you very much!
Hello. I had experienced some issues with TBS Micro V2 module in my Jumper T16.
After couple of days investigating and talking with vendor, TBS, and even local RC shop I have found out that Crossfire was NOT working due to locked module. This should not happen but good to know for other multi-module owners.
Module locking is there to comply with local law e.g. in Europe we can only do 25mW power legally. . .
Anyway. . .just letting you know just in case somebody had/have the same issue and would like to throw their multimodule or TBS Micro so far away. :-) They do not have to do that now! 😃Problem solved by unlocking the module by clicking bind button 10x.
I have covered this in my Crossfire videos. team-blacksheep.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/4000099976-region-crossfire-locked-no-frequency-selection-and-limited-power-selection-under-general-menu covers it too. Glad you sorted it out.
@@Painless360 Mine wasn't even binding at all when locked.
It was just sitting there doing nothing (yellowish glowing light all the time).
Sorted out when unlocked. That is what I wanted to say.
If you have video on this issue I shut up then. 😀
I can't seem to figure out an answer to this, but if I have a Crossfire Micro and a Flight Controller with pins installed, how would I wire that up? The Crossfire Micro comes with smaller cables that don't have the typical Servo Leads at the end. Would I just have to remove the pins from the FC and solder directly, or is there a cable I could find? I tend to swap Rx's on my FC from time to time which is why I have pins soldered on.
I would crimp pins onto the wires usually. See my video on crimping.. best of luck
@@Painless360 Okay, yeah that makes sense. Thanks!
Silly question but I’m getting back into this after two years off. Do you actually load an sd card with Lua scripts and load it into the transmitter?
That is the way I am using it here.. Best of luck!
I have problem with crossfire, many failsafe less than 1km with 1 watt power, and RSSI strength drop instantly (not gradual). Maybe I placed the antennas horizontally or it hardware defect? Will try moving it vertical tomorrow. Thanks Lee for your help. Another idea for video: How to Install Crossfire on inav (Wiring,Telemetry, Failsafe), the Correct Way + Tips. xD
Already done. Check out the iNav builds that use Crossfire on the channel.. Best of luck with it
@@Painless360 cheers Lee. My crossfire works well when I change the placement. ;D
ua-cam.com/video/pRJEQpwF2Eo/v-deo.html
@@Painless360 Yess I've watched this and all of your crossfire series. Thumbs up!!
Are you still planning on making more crossfire for beginners videos?
Possibly. To cover what?
@@Painless360 I am new to the TBS ecosystem and 900MHz in general. I used my old radios until I lost a model due to losing radio link on 2.4GHz. My financial advisor (wife) said its time to upgrade my old radio. That was a lot to really just say I don't know which crossfire module to choose and why one is better than another besides output power. Same with their rx and the different options there. I can do research and reading but I respect your opinion and know that you will give honest information.
Check out the kit picks video from last summer. Nothing major has changed from then. RadioMaster TX16s, Crossfire or Tracer for the module. Modern radios are much better at solid 2.4 than older protocols we call used so you may not need a separate module..
Hi Painless!
I'm a little confused about which module to get. Currently, I'm running DragonLink on the FrSky Taranis X9D Plus. I fly quads and fixed wing and use a head tracker, so I'm assuming I need the full blown version? I'm also concerned about how I'm affected with the inverter situation. Are you able to clear things up for me?
Thanks!
The original Taranis you have or one of the new ACCESS capable radios should all be able to run Crossfire and Tracer at full speed.. See my recent video chats with Trappy..
Thanks very helpful as always
So what’s just that basic transmitter… as others are selling a combo package, I just need the module for the radio
The module is the transmitter and is a module that fits into the back of the radio... Happy flying!
I am a begineer. I just got a Flywoo Baby 1S with CRSF
I am unable to ARM it. Attached IMG
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# status
MCU F411 Clock=108MHz (PLLP-HSE), Vref=3.30V, Core temp=42degC
Stack size: 2048, Stack address: 0x2001fff0
Config size: 3924, Max available config: 16384
Gyros detected: gyro 1
GYRO=MPU6000, ACC=MPU6000
OSD: MAX7456
System Uptime: 310 seconds, Current Time: 2022-11-26T18:08:10.390+00:00
CPU:7%, cycle time: 125, GYRO rate: 8000, RX rate: 49, System rate: 9
Voltage: 4 * 0.01V (0S battery - NOT PRESENT)
I2C Errors: 0
SD card: Not configured
Arming disable flags: BADRX CLI MSP RPMFILTER ARMSWITCH
#
Everything else seems to connect. Please help. Thanks in advance
You appear to have a few things to check. You need to look at the arming disable flags. You can see how to fix them here - github.com/betaflight/betaflight/wiki/Arming-Sequence-&-Safety best of luck
What's the name of the device you powered the receiver with? And does it come with the crossfire kit?
At what point in the video? I'm guessing you mean the 5v BEC that I use the bench power things?
@@Painless360at time stamp 9:00. What did you plug it into and what's at the other end of it?
Thanks for doing it=) I would have a question tho i would like to try and maybe use it on a plane aswell and i am currently looking at what antenna would be the best for long range and a strong signal but since a plane is a bit different i would like to maybe if its possible back the reciever up with a traditional 2.4 ghz diversity receiver so that if one fails there wont be much damage. and since the Radiomaster for example have both 2.4 internal and 900mhz external capabilities i wondered if you would be able to set it up in such a way =) Thank you so much and I hope you can get that to work ! =)
If you are using Crossfire on the lower frequencies then 2.4ghz links for RC are redundant. Longer range and lower latency with crossfire...
@@Painless360 true but idk how it behaves without diversity behind a big wooden structure with paint on it and i have heared that people had failsafes even with the crossfire becouse of the antenna being in the wrong place or smth. and i cant risk that happening with i abig heavy plane. So while i test out its null points and best antenna placement on it i think a backup would be usefull or wouldnt it? and would you be able to do it?
Thanks for your answer.
is it possible?
Thanks for an answer would appreciate it =)
Is there much difference between the micro V2 module and the nano?
Hi Lee, I just learned all recent Crossfire modules contain a WiFi chip to get telemetry to a phone or computer. I think for now it needs an extra UART for mavlink in addition to CRSF. Maybe an idea for a video?
I'm planning on covering that in the next video..
@@Painless360 Great. This crossfire stuff isn't always easy and the information is always scattered around the internet it seems. You always manage to explain everything clearly though. Thanks for that.
It's all covered in the Crossfire series in this channel including an overview of the WiFi and TBS Cloud. Might be worth a look
@@Painless360 I may have missed that, though this was daily new. Will check it out.
In INAV, at least on a Matek F405 Wing, you have to disable Software Serial
Took me a few hours to figure out why telemetry wasn't working.
Very nice explanation. Could you explain in a future video how to setup telemetry streaming to QGroundControl or similar software for each of the transmitter variants?
check out the manual, it's uodated and Includes the details
@@cracymarc thanks for the reply, but the manual is not clear especially given the product specifications from some vendors say the function is not available.
the manual hase been updated a few days ago. make sure you are not using a old version of it (should be revsion 28.08.2020).
let me know if you still miss something in there
@@cracymarc I just downloaded the manual from the TBS website. It's not clear whether telemetry streaming via TBS Cloud is supported on the micro TX V2 or not.
Just spoke to a dealer in Australia who said telemetry streaming over TBS Cloud is not currently supported on the Micro TX V2.
It would be great to have confirmation on this point from TBS or Painless
Can I use this on my Spektrum DX9 if I mod my transmitter to accept Crossfire? TBS CROSSFIRE MICRO TX V2
I've not used that radio. Best of luck
Are they the same (se) tbs crossfire
Some written (se) some not written
All the same or there is a difference ??
Not sure what you are referring to... sorry
Why would I want to mess with crossfire? What are the advantages? I’d think that would be something a beginner such as myself would need to know.
Longer range, lower latency. See the full series.. Happy flying
Thank you, that was very nice.....!
Hi I'm just a bit stuck at the moment on which crossfire module I need to purchase for my tx16s. I have a nazgul 5HD that has tbs nano. Do I purchase a tbs micro v2 or tbs nano tx module?
You'll need the Micro TX v2 for the Tx16s. Happy flying
@@Painless360 thank you soooo much! One more final question, I also have a cinelog30 equipped with tbs nano on the way, do I need to purchase a 2nd tbs antenna for it to work with this quad as well or can I use the stock one that comes in the package of the micro v2 to work with both drones?
Not sure what you are asking. Either TX module can bind to many receivers/models. See my Crossfire series. Best of luck!
What is the difference between wiring and using sbus or crsf? Why choose one or the other?
Sbus is three wires and doesnt send back telemetry. CRSF has one extra wite and has telemetry.. see my Crossfire series..
@@Painless360 introduction to tbs crossfire? You have great content btw helped me a lot so far so thank you
Hi Sir, whats the voltage range of the crossfire nano rx? Can I put solder the 5v rx wire to a battery positive on my mobula6 board?
I run mine at 5v. Check out the Crossfire builds on the channel..
Great and easy way to update. Still,in the world of extreme interference free long range, DragonLink is king.
Dragon link? Im most likely just ignorant but ive been flying and building quads for 3 years and I've never even heard of it. Either terrible marketing, extremely expensive, or just not as good. Which is it, or please explain my ignorance gently😉
@@HDgodfrey Same thing happened to me with Crossfire. I was so happy with my Dragon Link that I guess I blocked everything else out. The initial setup is a bit more expensive - well worth it if you want rock solid range and control. Range is 40 to 50 KM right out of the box with stock antennas. Zero interference too. I think it is the 433 MHZ frequency which makes it so reliable.
@@JR-kk6ce Very cool, I'll definitely give it a look. It's amazing how often I find out just how little I know. Im always happy to learn though.
What's the telemetry range of the crossfire system? does ist reach at least 20km?
Im debating between crossfire or Dragon Link.
Yes. Check out the Crossfire playlist on the channel. I cover all the parts. Best of luck
Спасибо за ваш труд.