Platoon - Barnes giving orders
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2019
- "Platoon" (1986) - starring: Tom Berenger, Willem Dafoe, Charlie Sheen, Kevin Dillon, Francesco Quinn, Forrest Whitaker, Johnny Depp, Dale Dye
CREDITS:
Orion Pictures (1986)
Director - Oliver Stone
Producer - Arnold Kopelson
Writer - Oliver Stone
Production Company - Hemdale Film Corporation
Music Composer - Georges Delerue
#OliverStone #TomBerenger #WillemDafoe #Marlboro #Platoon #Vietnam - Фільми й анімація
Barnes' body language and eye contact when the cigarette lighter doesn't work the first time - incredible.
I’ve always loved that it’s like a split second of “are u fuckin kidding”😂
At that moment Barnes decided he was a Loser. A premonition of his death.
I've read that it was a total mishap that it didn't light at first. They both ad lib'd the scene. @@darkprofit1137
If you watch the behind the scenes they explain that wasn’t actually a part of the script which makes it even better haha
yes, the machine breaks down@ridvansen7108
I loved this scene because in the end you see Barnes did not play favorites , he simply kept the machine running at optimum
Because when the machine breaks down, we break down.
@@Contractnik n he ain’t gonnn allow that, from any of you..
Which makes it even more impactful when he is the reason at the center of when the whole order has broken down (village women execution scene)
Saw this as part of a letter that was published online. Sheds some light onto the dynamics at play here;
It was not unusual for a short-timer to be afforded certain privileges. Not having to pull some crappy detail (chore) or not “walking point” (front man on a combat patrol) was the most common. Short-timers were also protected by their fellow soldiers. The death of a short-timer was terribly depressing and demoralizing. It was to be avoided at all costs. There was always a way to get a short-timer out of the bush during his last week or two. Usually a temporary assignment was arranged in the rear area. This accommodation was made for officers as well as the enlisted ranks.
New guys don’t have much value have to earn respect in company
Everybody who served in infantry platoon knows how accurate this scene is. Senior NCOs running the show, green LT wanting respect and NCO who wants chicken out of his duties.
Gold
Platinum Gold!
For all his faults, Barnes doesn't take kindly to O-Neil trying act like he's captain knowledge.
He knew he was a kiss ass
@Documentary Detective I know the type. One even looked like O'Neill.
Really aside from the elias thing, i don't think barnes is as bad as i used too. When he tried to kill chris, i think he was just in a blood rage beserker mode because he was severely injured and surrounded and fighting hand to hand with multiple combatants, he was basically a cornered animal and was killing anything in his perimeter.
The shit he did at the village was terrible, but they were VC, and he didn't seem to be doing it in some sicko,sadist way like the other guys. He was just business and controlling the situation, it wasn't to get his rocks off.. Actually i think elias was wrong for handling it the way he did in front of the enemy.
I think war shouldn't exist at all. But since it does, I'd want someone like Barnes on the front line
Seth spoken like a woke liberal biden jackass
@@tombrady5433 Stopping someone from shooting an innocent little girl is being a “woke liberal Biden jackass”?
So I guess being a “racist conservative Trump jackass” would be to slaughter that entire village?
I like the look on O"Neill"s face when Barnes told him he was going out on the ambush anyway. He thought he was off the hook.
you can see the same face on him at then end, it happens twice
@@Klendathu_Hotdrop Yep. When he gets the platoon after thinking he's going home.
@@dciccantelli”that’s good, because you got first platoon.” (Thousand yard stare)
@@daxmiller35 👍
@@daxmiller35yeah that was like a dagger to O'Neil. Basically sees entire Platoon get wiped out, only to be informed he has to do it all over again.
Say what you will about the man but when you’re in the shit, the proper shit, you want a Barnes.
Fr.
right barnes was alpha AF
I’d still rather report to Elias. Elias was of God.
@@r.a.9406 Elias was a crusader!
Elias was rational but Barnes is no bs ! Straight up fucking warrior ! O'neill is such a bitch and Barnes really don't even like him ! If you notice too at the end of this scene , Barnes straight checks the fuck outta the LT with that " Yes sir " and the " lean in " when he says it !😂😂😂
Barnes shows good leadership here. He stays silent and listens to his subordinates argue their points which means Barnes is getting all the points of view(sometimes your subordinates might know something you don't know) and in the end he compromises a little and makes it clear in his tone that the discussion is over. The best leaders are the ones who listen first and give orders afterwards. Also love how he subtly slaps the young LT down at the end. As a former Infantry soldier myself I can tell you that no one really listens to the LT's. It's the Platoon Sergeant that truly runs the show.
Great analysis - i read somewhere the LTs are just there to answer the phones from higher up...
please dont discredit the rank...idk about vietnam, but today plenty of first lieutenants worked their way up the corp from e1 to be where they are.
IRL the LTs are just hand down the orders from above and the NCOs work it out among themselves. A LT would never be in this meeting in real life
Yeah, a Yes Sir, is a Fuck You, in the Military. 😉😉
@@SexyFace True they all start at the bottom but a LT isn't going to stick his head in the mud like a Gunny. Most LT's go to OCS for the higher pay grade and spend less time getting their hands dirty. Captains are even worse. A Gunny is like a mechanic for a car, a LT is just the driver. I'll take a seasoned Gunny over a OCS brass every time.
Aside from the horrors of war. Platoon does a great job of describing management structures at work, that everyone can relate to.
Thats a great point there chief, you can just look at a movie and tell if its going to be relatable. Now I was meaning to ask you about my R&R...
@@followingtheroe1952 No, we are short. we need every swinging dick out there
@@MrJohnybirchall Aw come one I never ask for anything! I got a bad feeling about this comment thread, I mean I just got a bad feeling!
@@followingtheroe1952 everyone’s gonna die sometime Roe…. Now get in your fox hole!
2nd… next time I see you spraying mosquito repellant on your fucking replies , I’ll court-martial your ass.
1:32 - _"Do you feel in charge?"_
When he whips his zippo lighter out and fails that was improved. It was a mistake that ended up working perfectly
You could feel the defiance through the screen when he said that “yes sir”
Smoothest cigarette lighting scene I've seen
It was a mistake, but Oliver Stone liked it and left it in the final cut. It was supposed to be a smooth lighting. Saw this on the voice over of the movie with Stone talking.
Elias and Barnes are both good leaders in very different ways with different strengths and weaknesses
Barnes wasn't a good leader. He was a fking psychopath. He killed Elias just because he was the only one who stood up to him when he was about to slaughter an entire village for not knowing information about the NVA. He constantly shit on orders and his superiors. He was also about to cave Taylors head in with a shovel at the end of the movie just because he was friends with Elias and shared his morals. Nah...Barnes was maybe a good soldier, but definitely not a good leader, because he would kill ya if you didn't agree with him.
@@theintunity no he was a good leader who understood this war, he went against anyone whom he percieved as " weak "
@@kitosjek9541 FFS Most of the soldiers in war had zero military skills, they had no clue what they were up against, soldiers aging from 17 years and up were all weak and inexperienced soldiers. Barnes should have known that and quit being an asshole on the platoon for being weak and inexperienced fighters who didn't know what they were even fighting for.
@@kitosjek9541 Following on, Barnes was a Shitty asshole and had zero requirements or skill set of being a good leader from the get go
@@greusem2748 have youe hissy fir somewhere else, Barnes did more for his men than lt Wolfe with his inexperience did. He held the " machine " running.
Oliver Stone served in Nam, and because of that we have realistic sceans like this.
Gotta love how Barnes respected the short timers
He also knew that if you don't care of your timers, to the extent you have the power to, that you won't be able to motivate people and get them to do what you want
@@charliep5139yep, it’s how I managed my stores over the years. I wouldn’t hesitate to get work done to show them everyone was delegated, including me. Like the old adage, don’t expect men to do what you won’t.
I love how O'neill always want´s to chicken out when it comes to patroles and fighting but always gets it anwyway
Don’t you love that look Elias gives to Wolfe when he says “Jesus” 😂
Lol Yep. He is startled once he learns that officers like himself are just as likely to get waxed like enlisted.
@@persona-non-grata and because Willem Defoe cast as Jesus 2 years later in The Last Temptation of Christ
He looks at him like "oh you sorry son of a bitch" knowing that Wolfe doesn't have what it takes to make it out there alive.
Haha “Jesus…”
“Yes, what?”
Anyone who has ever operated in a Combat AO knows how truly dead on this scene really is? So many minute yet extremely important dynamics within a platoon are shown. From the argument between the senior NCO's to the end where Barnes Alpha's the shit out of the inexperienced green LT. This is just how it is, and only those who have been there can truly appreciate this scene. Pray you never ever have to make such management choices, for I have alongside some of the finest men I have ever known. The results often can haunt you for the rest of your life.
Been there
I believe you.
Barnes had that experience an took charge thats how you bring people on your left an right home
When Little Bobby Barnes lost the spelling bee, the kid that beat him wound-up on a milk carton. And so did the teacher.
Everybodys gotta die sometime red
I loved the look on O’Neils face when told at the end that he’s in charge of second platoon. That guy was perfect for that role
Interesting how it presents both sides of the argument. On one hand it'd be heartbreaking for short timers and someone about to go on R&R to get killed. Then rookies in combat are tough cause they don’t know anything
As a Marine combat veteran I would follow Barnes into combat any day. Some men were created just for war and I thank God for them
Barnes killed innocent villagers even held a gun to a child
@@varga4488 Yeah, that definitely was a bad thing. Barnes needed to be held accountable for his actions. But up until that point, he was a good leader (along with Elias). Elias saw the unit as individuals, and Barnes saw them as tools that needed to be maintained. But in his own twisted way, Barnes was a father to his men. It hurt him when they were hurt or killed. Case in point, the aftermath of the first night ambush, and when they find the tortured corpse of one of their own.
I was going to say same thing.
@@varga4488sounds like you couldn’t hack it in real war 🤫
That's war. You have to qualify lives. You have to make the choice@@varga4488
O’Neil: Guys in 3 years he thinks he’s Jesus Fucking Christ or something..
Sgt Barnes: O’Neil…your short-timers stay in but you go out, I need veterans out there
Francis Coppola Apocalypse Now Oliver Stone Platoon Stanley Kubrick Full Metal Jacket. That's the name I'm giving to my son.
Its a brilliantly written film. Barnes and Elias remind me of Cain and Abel. Both at war, good vs Evil.
To think it was movies like these, and the TV series "Tour of Duty" that got me interested in enlisting in the Army. I enlisted in 1990 and retired from the military in 2012. Through out my military career I had the pleasure of meeting people from all walks of life/cultures. There were of course, on occasion, some people that I hope to never see again and others that became like family.. On the odd chance they see this, and i am not sure of these guys are still around, I want to send a shout out to my basic training DIs: SSgt Boyd, SSgt Farrell, SFC Brown...WOLF PACK! I hated you guys like nothing else but you helped shape me into the person I am today! Stay frosty out there! If I don't see you again in this life I hope to see you all in the next.
So many excellent actors in this movie
Charlie sheen best performance
Willem dafoe iconic role and top 5 best acting from him
Forest Whitaker & Johnny deep first big roles
Tom berenger legendary part of this movie
And others....a great cast
I'll have to look out for Depp the next time I watch this. Did not know he was in it
I would say Berenger had the best performance ..
@@AimForTheBushes908 he’s in the first half but gets med evac’d out before the second half
@@AimForTheBushes908just rewatch the village scene. He's the translator.
Young cherry officers should listen to their NCO'S.
@Bryan Mack Yeah but he was probably never court martialed and tuned into a national disgrace
Regardless if he's a cherry or not, the lt is a superior officer and all lower grades will render obedience.
As a green officer he should have had Barns "train" him and just learned from his lessons. I'd have put that "I give the orders" stuff away and spent more time learning, and ensuing procedures are being followed.
@ Devon Martinski
Green to gold make the best officers, you can’t bullshit them either. They know both sides of the house
As Colonel Kurtz said in Apocalypse Now...."If I had 10 Divisions of such men, then our troubles here would be over very quickly."
I dont see Barnes as an evil guy simply a victim of Vietnam the horros of war that destroyed the humanity in him.
Oscars for everyone! Tom, Willem, John especially... Masterpiece!
Agreed, even Moses for his spot on portrayal of a greenhorn LT that had no business there.
If Barnes goes to hell, in a few months he would own the hell! He is a beast, but he knows how to handle the "environmet". Fortunately, I´ve never have to go to war , but the Vietnam war seems to me one of the toughest one. I think I would feel "safer" with Barnes, rather than with the captain. Perhaps, that is what the drector drive us to think, but, in this case, I think is right. ToM Berenger's best performance.
Wolfe was a Lt. Capt Dale was based but not on point as he was directing other elements.
My guess with Lt Wolfe always was that he was a military school kid. He did well at the academy and was given his rank once he graduated.
Obviously once he got into the shit he was kind of a limp dick and couldn't handle what actually happens in a warzone.
Obviously.Plus, he was scared to death of Barnes, throughout the whole ordeal.
this is actually a really good movie
No shit
It was men like Barnes, who kept his men alive for longest possible time during that hell called Vietnam.
What about Elias?
@user-yw1nm4je8o oh, yes Elias as well no doubt.
For me being 27 now in this decade makes me wish I could go back to the '60s and toke with Sgt. Elias along with the rest of his Platoon and as soon as Rah passes me the pipe..,
it would be an honor
for me to partake
😎🇺🇲🇻🇳☮☯️✌
How about fighting the NVA and the VC?
@@SpaceForce635 my thoughts exactly. I love those tough guys who have an image of war from big screen. And emojies added to comment is like cherry on the pie.
Barnes is trying to do right by his duty and men.
Yep, by allowing the rape of two girls. Oh and also, as I know Americans are sensitive here, he called a lower rank “nigger”.
@@markn.7914 Exactly.
Dr. Valentin Narcisse understandable.
@@markn.7914 when!?
i like that the lighter doesn't work the first time and he has to relight it.
Staff NCO meetings... Many young mens future of life or death to the most mundane boring of tasks would be determined and dished out during these meetings.
"Charlie had claymores strung up in the trees. Blew a whole fecking platoon to pieces." You had one job, Charlie.
Love it!!
Beauty fades!
WISDOM endures!!!
00:34 CANDYMAN?!
You are correct.
He’s also the rocket man
"Can"
I was wondering the same thing!
I knew a real battle hardened NCO when I was in(Iraq), in many ways, just like Barnes. Except he behaved like this around a Capt. and he would never dare try to correct him 😂
Tells Warren to stay in cuz he don't need a junkie on ambush XD
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Brilliant scene
Ah ahhh You got the fresh meat buddy !! . O'Neil should have won a grammy for that movie
Movie is a masterpiece
There's an old saying in the infantry. If the platoon Sergeant isn't happy, no one is!
Powerful scene that only some folks will get.
Barnes is not bad. Just tired of people who do not want to kill the enemy as bad as he does. He does not want the army to be a kindergarten. He wants to fight the war totally and without restrictions of moral or anything. So .... the young soldiers bring peace time USA morals to him ... ..... ...... ..... .... he can not take it .... if he thinks about it 100 times he still can not ... this jungle is different and he has survived it .... Elias is ofcourse the civilian movie goers favourite.
( barnes is probably the most competent in the platoon )
This feels like my job
I am reality
A very, very attractive reality
That's your problem lieutenant.
Not mine.
The lieutenant is trying to gain respect.
Have to be tight with your fellow soldiers or you’re screwed
Ever notice how O’Neill sucks up to Barnes and always gets fucked anyways. Also, ever notice how Barnes was always with his dudes in the shit. Love the dynamic of this movie.
Elias & Barnes got that "Berserker Blood" in em
How do you figure that, they are both highly competent leaders but I don't think either one is particularly blood thirsty execpt when Barnes goes nuts in the end.
The man surely can blow smoke goddamn
What the Lt complaining about, hes the one asking Barnes in the first place.
He also does nothing while his NCOs argue amongst themselves. Terrible leadership.
Although Barnes is not a pleasant character to say the least, in a strange way you sort of understand him and feel sympathy because he's obviously on the edge and trying to keep going, and like Colonel Hessler in the Battle of the Bulge played by Robert Shaw, I'm not sure he isn't the hero of the whole film.
I think Barnes was a non obvious tragic figure. The war eventually took everything from him.
Barnes is awesome
Sergeant Barnes is the leader
good scene
Lt was afraid of Barnes
The officer can't effectively command his troops in camp. So what happens when they get to the village with everyone's blood up?
Tremenda escena. La cara de Wolfe es de película
I AM REALITY ... 🤘
“I don’t need that shit”
*Gulps Jack*
Sure as sh@ would liked to have seen more of Barnes in that role - equally as much as having seen Saunders in the ''Combat'' series!
~11b4p 82nd 1/504 '71---'74
Mhmmm we got bookoo movement.
I’d rather follow Sgt Barnes and Elias than Lt Wolfe and I’d have King as a buddy.
How many sergeants are in this platoon
There are 4 of them: Barnes, Elias, O'Neil, Warren
Three squad leaders and the platoon sergeant. Kind of small for an infantry platoon. Even in Nam.
@@deltaf8704 barnes was staff sergeant...
Three I think, Barnes is a Staff-Sgt and has overall seniority. Plus Warren too but I think he dies early on.
Back then, a standard US Army platoon had approximately 40 enlisted men and 1 officer. Platoon commander is the lone officer and is either a 2nd or 1st Lieutenant who commands the platoon with the head NCO aka the platoon sergeant, which was usually a sergeant first class. Then there were four other squads composed of 10 men each: three rifle squads and one weapons squad, with each of these squads being led by a staff sergeant.
Of course, this is the ideal platoon, and I'm sure that platoons rarely had this textbook organization. This is a movie so not everything is accurate, but we've got Lt. Wolfe as the platoon commanding officer, SSgt Barnes as the platoon sergeant , and three other staff sergeants (O'Neill, Elias, & Warren) being the other squad leaders.
Toms movie
Barnes was certainly competent, but he has a mental breakdown later in the movie and it brought out the worst in him
The lighter not working was a blooper that the director decided should stay in.
Shit this clip is good resolution.
Barnes: Mmmm hhhhhmmmm we got Buku movement….. 1st battalion just got hit 15 clicks north of here
O’Neil: Charlie had claymores strung up in the trees, blew a whole fucking platoon to pieces, bad shit
Barnes: Yea… they got 2-lieutenants and a captain
Lt Wolf: Jesus
Elias: 👀
That "butter bar" Lt. Wolff is worthless
One thing I didn't quite understand about this - the tours were about a year long, how is it that Elias had been there for three years?
They re-enlist. They do multiple deployments in 4 years unless they get medical discharge. Some soldiers liked Vietnam. Barnes did and Elias did until the end.
Barnes should have been the 1SG.
mmhmm, we've got beau coup movement.
Best war movie shows human side of war a little dramatic
I tend to agree with barnes on the idea of total war, if we would have applied it and not stopped at Cambodia, and even tho people consider VN a failure for the USA the NVA and VC took a lot more casualties!
If your gonna go to war go all out, people are gonna complain regardless and it shouldn't limit a military's effectiveness!
They went to war for corporate profit.
tough call here some officers let ncos run things,
Alright, Barnes is the greatest tough MF all around. Straight to the point. Nonetheless, as a very real leader he should also support his chain of command, at least those right next to him (even so they're all green LT). And that's why Elias makes a much better NCO than him.
Barnes consumed by 😢 war probably lost friends dealing egghead officers and draftees who don’t want to be there probably has nothing to go home to
I think Sergeant Barnes is just a really competent soldier.
Elias was in the wrong here if you think about it. Why keep a fresh section of men, albeit rookies, from an operation? When the experienced guys are exhausted.
Sooner or later the rookies would have to get a "baptism of fire" anyway, so there is no "right operation" to send them in.
There are no "levels" in war where rookies can be placed in. It's a meat grinder for everyone and it's not fair for the more experienced troops to do everything.
So yeah, good call by Barnes here. And no comment on the Officer at the end, he's just saying rookie Officer nonsense. Any officer in any military knows that you respect the level of experience and NCOs who have been on the field. On the field you should dispense real quick with the formalities.
Excellent analysis.
The rookies would need vets mixed in. A bunch of rookies would have had their shit rocked by a veteran NVA or VC unit.
You're forgetting that inexperienced soldiers can be a dangerous liability in the field
@@Jun-ix7zw you seem like you never served like the original poster and the 4 people giving likes You don’t send a bunch of rookies that just arrived in combat by themselves especially with little basic training they got on the states. Even today Seals, Rangers and Green Berets and regular military get lots of training and when they get to their teams they get an extra 12-18 months to be combat deployment ready before sending them overseas on deployment and even when they get to their teams/platoons they are out directly underneath Senior Soldiers with years of combat deployment so they can learn and survive. That’s the difference between the casualties between Vietnam to Iraq and Afghanistan. Way a lot less American deaths because they get better training and longer and they put them under senior soldiers to train them and protect them on the field. Elias was right and Barnes at the end backed Elias. He will send Rookies but with Veterans together. Back then low enlisted men hardly got training in war.
Everybody gotta die sometime
Atropos
lol
Lt is like not there
Was McGinley actually stoned during this scene?
Apparently these guys didnt work out for these roles. They are rail thin.
Shows what u know
Guy over here thinking this is a John Cena "the Marine" movie. Tsk tsk
People weren't muscle beefcakes in 'Nam to be honest. Watch the old war footage, even the SF guys tended to be wiry and slender, albeit muscled.
Well, your average soldier back then and now are still around the same size. You thought they were all beefy body builders?
@@UgherzCookies There's a lot more emphasis on upper-body strength in the US military now than there ever was, so yeah. American people are generally bigger and fatter than before too.
So chug that with your cookies and cream Uggie. :D
Everybody knows you don't build squads with all new people only and all short timers, you mix one experienced with one new person in the whole platoon so others can learn the job. This is poor leadership on both Barnes and the LT's fault. The LT should have learned that in 4 years at West point. But hey it's just a movie so not everything is going to be real.
baliskad
Well he kinda is Jesus Christ, so yeah
LT bothers me at the end. He says he should give the orders right after he delegated to Longstreet.
Unless ur a EO-1 Mustang, I ain't listening to you. I'm just kidding😅. I know alot of N.C.O.'s who have degrees and stayed enlisted simply by saying I ain't gona play politics here😅
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O’Neal imo is the most irritating character in the movie
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