I could never hit my irons. I found you golf channel and moe’s swing made so much sense to me. I am a single plane swinger without even knowing it and your channel helped me SO MUCH thank you guys for paying moes knowledge forward.
your intro sums it up for me. For years my dad always said “ that’s your natural swing” when I would slice every shot, eventually to the point where I quit playing for 5 years.
Todd, one of the major benefits to the single plane swing is how little stress it puts on your body compared to the standard golf swing. I've been using the single plane swing going back to the late '80s with RightWay Golf and then natural golf. The natural golf instructor who taught me had to give up golf because it hurt his back so much. And he started using the single plane swing his back problems went away and he went back to shooting par. I think that is a benefit of the single plane swing that you should stress more. Thanks for all you do!
If you mistakenly think this is an "old times" looking swing, just look at the people behind. Their swing is much closer to today's swing, than what it is Moe's. Just like Bryson's swing today is different from the rest. These guys just play golf from a total different perspective, and I'm glad through the era of internet these informations have been spread. I'm a 2.5 handicap and reached it with a "standard" swing. I'm 35 now and suffering a lot of back pain. I will try to shift into this plane, not only for health reasons but also for easiness of repeatability. Thank you Todd for spreading the word.
@Todd Graves. Hi Todd, thanks for this great video. I was hitting balls today and realized my back swing was all wrong for the Moe Norman swing, i could not get back to the ball in time and the club face was too open because of that. I realized my back swing was way too coiled and way too much shoulder tilt down to the ball or ground. I then tried to just rotate the shoulders with as minimal shoulder tilt as possible, it's more like the arms just go back and it feels like a minimal back swing, yet still has coil. After this change, it is incredibly easy now, to return square and flush, every single time. And just smacking the ball with such force, i'm not use to such easy power and straight as an arrow shots, every time. Though this video shows this very thing in Moe's back swing, it appears like just his arms are coming back, which means the lead shoulder does not drop down at the ball, much at all, though he still gets plenty of coil in his core. Moe does mention this in that two part video with PGA. Moe says he doesn't want any hip turn and of course there is some hip turn on his back swing, though it is as minimal as he can make it, so he can then easily get into that bent lead knee and the trail shoulder fires through and crushes the ball. Thanks for all your work Todd, much appreciated. peace love light
Thanks for posting these great videos on Moe! They are real treasures! I him mentioned when I was learning about Hogan's swing, and my initial thought was who is this guy is, and why is he doing something so different to everyone else! That was over 10 years ago now, and the more I learn about my own swing the more I understand what he talks about in his, and the more mine becomes like Moe's! And the more, what seems like idiosyncrasies, have been so well thought out. I don't know if there has been anybody who knew more about the golf swing than Moe Norman! Thanks, Todd, for helping preserve his legacy!
"Never hurrying the clubhead" such a great line. Many a bad strike could be explained by hurrying the clubhead. Thank you very much again for these videos!
I love watching videos of moe. I rather watch him hit balls then anyone else out there. I wish i had the chance to see him bedore he left us. He js my all time favorite golfer. Wish they would of been respectful to him on the pga. He would of had the most wins on the pga had he played. Golf genius
Hello, I just found your channel, and I have to say thatI have been using the single plane method on my woods, they go very straight, and a "instructor" has me all screwed up on my irons with the twisting and turning, then on my own I started to use the wood hitting method on my irons, not realizing that it's the same flat plane stroke. your instruction will help me fine tune a method that I took to naturally.
I love golf history - And the name Moe Norman will never be forgotten thanks to all that documentation you have made. And congratulation with a Candian winner of 20223 RBC Canadian Open in the weekend!!
Single plane golf swing just makes natural sense. Much easier to reproduce each swing the same. Positioning of the body - stance, grip, torso, hips, legs, knees the same. Club face positioning the same. Distance from ball the same. Placement of ball relative to stance and what you need to do with the swing. Backswing the same. Swing to impact the same. Classic golf swing has to many moving variables.
I asked this question before but it got "lost" - maybe never posted so please forgive me. First comment - I love the content and I am an avid Graves/Moe fan. When Moe mentions the BSSB here it "implies", I think (to me), that the Buckle and Sit is on the backswing because he says "as I'm going back I'm coming down (sitting - S*%t like on a toilet) he says somewhere". Have I missed something all these years?
@brodygoalie I used to know Moe (not as well as Todd) but spent a fair amount of time with him and hit balls together. Moe used to say about putting the clubhead further behind the ball, "I'm pre-turned, I have to go there anyway! What's everyone else do"?...then show an open shoulder position with his trail arm covering the lead arm and shake his head in disgust. That's the thing. Moe saw straight lines. It's how he conceived his setup. His clubhead was behind the ball with his sternum facing the back of the clubhead, shoulders closed 10 degrees. The shoulder alignment created the direction for his hands to start the swing. No thinking, no questioning the direction of his takeaway. It was built in at address. Magical and genius!
It’s a chain of events. Left side (hip) brakes, lead side (torso) brakes, so that the arms and hands can pass the body. This is the ideal golf swing sequence.
@@ToddGravesGolf very helpful, thanks! Also watched your video about shoulder separation from the torso with the view from overhead. I think this is the concept I forget about the most. Looking forward to sending in my next video to the coaches!
But by not hitting the tee, didn't that mean that for woods and driver, the ball would contact the lower part of the head? If he raised the tee slightly, wouldn't he have hit the ball more on the upswing, making it go farther?
i bekieve the most important thing about his backswing is that the club head doesnt swing around his head,,or neck,,,,,it goes back "shut" and drops behind him,,then he pulls it to target........in other words he has less variation from where he starts his return to ball.....more consistant..............most people turn into ball first,,, he "drops" first
master move "cocking more on the way down",,,,,,,club is close to body,,,u dont throw it away from u ,,, hes said"i try to hit my right foot with the club on way down"
his clubs were e-3 weight ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,weighting goes from a-f in golf shops,,,,,,,,,,,,thats more lead tape than most,,,,,,,,,and he used to put some in handles too,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in other words,the club swings itself
The best coaches on our team are teaching everyday - online. I suggest you get online with our coaches. WE do live zoom sessions daily. Email me a toddg@gravesgolf.com and I will connect you with a coach. Thank you.
So why isn't every pro doing this 🤔 Remember moe hit 10,000 balls a day good luck to weekend hackers if you think your going to go out and learn this in a day
This is a Complete exaggeration to try to prove a point. Furthermore, name one player on tour who hasn’t hit tens of thousands of balls to develop their skills. Moe Norman’s golf swing is an example of biophysical efficiency that every golfer can learn from. There is reason you are calling them Weekend hackers - and they should all swing like Moe, on a Single Plane to make it easier. They would enjoy the game more and most likely you would stop calling them hackers.
@@charliepastrami2813 What Moe is demonstrating is a biophysical example of simplifying a golf swing to return the club to impact. there are easy ways and hard ways to accomplish the same thing. A golf club is designed on a plane All good players must swing the club on plane. The best players practice enough (thousands of repetitions) to develop a motion that returns the club to impact. The fact is that Most people in the world will never practice enough to acquire that skill. That is why the question should be asked “what is the easiest way”. Furthermore, statistically the best ball strikers don’t win tournaments. The players with the best shorts games and putting do. It’s apples and oranges. What Moe is demonstrating is a biophysical example of simplifying a golf swing to return the club to impact.
You've changed my life todd. Thank you! I'm so glad I found you and moe.
Moe Changed my life too. I'm happy to pay it forward. Thank you.
The golf world can’t be allowed to forget Moe. Keep up your teaching pal .all the best from Scotland.
I could never hit my irons. I found you golf channel and moe’s swing made so much sense to me. I am a single plane swinger without even knowing it and your channel helped me SO MUCH thank you guys for paying moes knowledge forward.
your intro sums it up for me. For years my dad always said “ that’s your natural swing” when I would slice every shot, eventually to the point where I quit playing for 5 years.
Todd, one of the major benefits to the single plane swing is how little stress it puts on your body compared to the standard golf swing. I've been using the single plane swing going back to the late '80s with RightWay Golf and then natural golf. The natural golf instructor who taught me had to give up golf because it hurt his back so much. And he started using the single plane swing his back problems went away and he went back to shooting par. I think that is a benefit of the single plane swing that you should stress more. Thanks for all you do!
If you mistakenly think this is an "old times" looking swing, just look at the people behind. Their swing is much closer to today's swing, than what it is Moe's.
Just like Bryson's swing today is different from the rest.
These guys just play golf from a total different perspective, and I'm glad through the era of internet these informations have been spread.
I'm a 2.5 handicap and reached it with a "standard" swing. I'm 35 now and suffering a lot of back pain.
I will try to shift into this plane, not only for health reasons but also for easiness of repeatability.
Thank you Todd for spreading the word.
@Todd Graves. Hi Todd, thanks for this great video. I was hitting balls today and realized my back swing was all wrong for the Moe Norman swing, i could not get back to the ball in time and the club face was too open because of that. I realized my back swing was way too coiled and way too much shoulder tilt down to the ball or ground. I then tried to just rotate the shoulders with as minimal shoulder tilt as possible, it's more like the arms just go back and it feels like a minimal back swing, yet still has coil. After this change, it is incredibly easy now, to return square and flush, every single time. And just smacking the ball with such force, i'm not use to such easy power and straight as an arrow shots, every time. Though this video shows this very thing in Moe's back swing, it appears like just his arms are coming back, which means the lead shoulder does not drop down at the ball, much at all, though he still gets plenty of coil in his core. Moe does mention this in that two part video with PGA. Moe says he doesn't want any hip turn and of course there is some hip turn on his back swing, though it is as minimal as he can make it, so he can then easily get into that bent lead knee and the trail shoulder fires through and crushes the ball. Thanks for all your work Todd, much appreciated. peace love light
Thanks for posting these great videos on Moe! They are real treasures!
I him mentioned when I was learning about Hogan's swing, and my initial thought was who is this guy is, and why is he doing something so different to everyone else! That was over 10 years ago now, and the more I learn about my own swing the more I understand what he talks about in his, and the more mine becomes like Moe's!
And the more, what seems like idiosyncrasies, have been so well thought out. I don't know if there has been anybody who knew more about the golf swing than Moe Norman!
Thanks, Todd, for helping preserve his legacy!
What a Simple way to play golf. Extend arms and swing.
I like when the spectators laugh in amazement after certain shots. You know he pured it perfectly.
Another great video, great job.
"I hope a young player will come along and swing like you, he'll be a great player" Bryson won the US Open using that swing.
bryson swings nothing like moe,,its terrible
"Never hurrying the clubhead" such a great line. Many a bad strike could be explained by hurrying the clubhead.
Thank you very much again for these videos!
Very welcome
I love watching videos of moe. I rather watch him hit balls then anyone else out there. I wish i had the chance to see him bedore he left us. He js my all time favorite golfer. Wish they would of been respectful to him on the pga. He would of had the most wins on the pga had he played. Golf genius
Thanks Todd
He was on Royal Oak driving range in Titusville, Fl. I was at Patrick AFB from 1988 to 1992. I hit balls there when he was.
Sam Snead said also he hit it with the back of his left hand!......great video!
I love his swing with the driver. Simplistic and beautiful. Smooth as can be. I may have to adopt this.
Thank you, Coach!
Hello, I just found your channel, and I have to say thatI have been using the single plane method on my woods, they go very straight, and a "instructor" has me all screwed up on my irons with the twisting and turning, then on my own I started to use the wood hitting method on my irons, not realizing that it's the same flat plane stroke. your instruction will help me fine tune a method that I took to naturally.
Great video thank for sharing it.
Awesome video!!
Moe generated A LOT of clubhead speed even at the older age in this video. Strong lower body like Jack Nicklaus, different motion, but strong base.
Epic - thx from Denmark - Good work Todd
I love golf history - And the name Moe Norman will never be forgotten thanks to all that documentation you have made.
And congratulation with a Candian winner of 20223 RBC Canadian Open in the weekend!!
He was a very rare man, perhaps the number one striker of the ball, I believe he was but at least top 1-3. Cant imagine it.
I know this course in Florida. Played it many times back in the 2000s. It was in much better shape in Moe's day. After that it went down hill.
Royal Oak in Titusville yes?
And Royal Oak is done - course is closed. You can go on Google Earth and still see the shape of the course.
Grt stuff Todd!
Single plane golf swing just makes natural sense. Much easier to reproduce each swing the same. Positioning of the body - stance, grip, torso, hips, legs, knees the same. Club face positioning the same. Distance from ball the same. Placement of ball relative to stance and what you need to do with the swing. Backswing the same. Swing to impact the same.
Classic golf swing has to many moving variables.
11:15 to 11:18 I could watch for eternity.
Single plane swing compressed the ball much better than conventional swing and is super powerful
Yup, last time I played with a friend he said: wow, you are really hitting it solid! I said yeah, I changed my swing a bit lol.
would Moe start behind the ball with fairway shots as well as tee shots?
Your one handsome man love you buddy love your videos as well moe will be sadly missed😄😄😭😭
I asked this question before but it got "lost" - maybe never posted so please forgive me. First comment - I love the content and I am an avid Graves/Moe fan. When Moe mentions the BSSB here it "implies", I think (to me), that the Buckle and Sit is on the backswing because he says "as I'm going back I'm coming down (sitting - S*%t like on a toilet) he says somewhere". Have I missed something all these years?
Please explain the advantage of keeping the club face it looks like a foot behind the ball at address. Thanks
It’s a mental que to help him remember to come in at a shallow angle for impact.
How about his wide stance at address. You do not see any pros with that stance. Please explain. Thanks
@brodygoalie I used to know Moe (not as well as Todd) but spent a fair amount of time with him and hit balls together. Moe used to say about putting the clubhead further behind the ball, "I'm pre-turned, I have to go there anyway! What's everyone else do"?...then show an open shoulder position with his trail arm covering the lead arm and shake his head in disgust. That's the thing. Moe saw straight lines. It's how he conceived his setup. His clubhead was behind the ball with his sternum facing the back of the clubhead, shoulders closed 10 degrees. The shoulder alignment created the direction for his hands to start the swing. No thinking, no questioning the direction of his takeaway. It was built in at address. Magical and genius!
thumbnail pic at top of swing tells it all.
So putting on the brakes applies all the way up the A frame? The shoulders and arms are the only thing that go outside of it? Awesome videos, thanks.
It’s a chain of events. Left side (hip) brakes, lead side (torso) brakes, so that the arms and hands can pass the body. This is the ideal golf swing sequence.
@@ToddGravesGolf very helpful, thanks! Also watched your video about shoulder separation from the torso with the view from overhead. I think this is the concept I forget about the most. Looking forward to sending in my next video to the coaches!
His clubs look like they are shorter than conventional. I'm only 5'6". How long should my clubs be?
Look how he's keeping his back foot down
How much, if any, did Byrd/Ballard ideas influence Moe? Supposedly it informed Hogan a bit. Swinging through the center rings true in Moe’s swing.
Fantastic Rhythm
The swing of the 5th dimension
But by not hitting the tee, didn't that mean that for woods and driver, the ball would contact the lower part of the head? If he raised the tee slightly, wouldn't he have hit the ball more on the upswing, making it go farther?
YEAH, finally a Canadian WON the Canadian Open !
Congratulations! What a great putt!
i bekieve the most important thing about his backswing is that the club head doesnt swing around his head,,or neck,,,,,it goes back "shut" and drops behind him,,then he pulls it to target........in other words he has less variation from where he starts his return to ball.....more consistant..............most people turn into ball first,,, he "drops" first
Superbe !
Natural golf is fantastic
Economy of motion in action.
I've noticed that Moe's feet are not very flared out. The trail feet only a couple of degrees and the lead foot only a couple more.
he leverages against his ankles,,,,,,,resistance in ankles,,,,,he pulls left hand to target,,under hand
How old was Moe in this video ? Do you have an idea Todd ?
It's never a bad sign when you leave the tee in the ground after the Ball is gone.As moe said I hit the ball not the tee.
master move "cocking more on the way down",,,,,,,club is close to body,,,u dont throw it away from u ,,, hes said"i try to hit my right foot with the club on way down"
his clubs were e-3 weight ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,weighting goes from a-f in golf shops,,,,,,,,,,,,thats more lead tape than most,,,,,,,,,and he used to put some in handles too,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in other words,the club swings itself
He says the same stuff in all these clinic videos on UA-cam
Mr. Graves how do I find a good teacher around Minneapolis area? Being 64 looking for simple adjustment to get as close this single plane as possible.
The best coaches on our team are teaching everyday - online. I suggest you get online with our coaches. WE do live zoom sessions daily. Email me a toddg@gravesgolf.com and I will connect you with a coach. Thank you.
. 0:23 0:37 2:24 2:35 .
He blocks everything down line that's all
Unfortunate the audio can't be improved. Difficult to make out anything he says.
Just watch and learn. That is the point.
swing shoulders into position of impact,,,,,,,,,,all will swing well if this happens,,,"keep yur hands out of it"
He says something very Important at 12'56" - can someone transcribe, please?
So why isn't every pro doing this 🤔
Remember moe hit 10,000 balls a day good luck to weekend hackers if you think your going to go out and learn this in a day
Lol he didn’t hit 10,000 a day . He once hit over 1000 drivers in a day
This is a Complete exaggeration to try to prove a point. Furthermore, name one player on tour who hasn’t hit tens of thousands of balls to develop their skills. Moe Norman’s golf swing is an example of biophysical efficiency that every golfer can learn from. There is reason you are calling them Weekend hackers - and they should all swing like Moe, on a Single Plane to make it easier. They would enjoy the game more and most likely you would stop calling them hackers.
@@ToddGravesGolf so again....why isn't every pro doing it...makes no sense 😕
@@charliepastrami2813 What Moe is demonstrating is a biophysical example of simplifying a golf swing to return the club to impact. there are easy ways and hard ways to accomplish the same thing. A golf club is designed on a plane All good players must swing the club on plane. The best players practice enough (thousands of repetitions) to develop a motion that returns the club to impact. The fact is that Most people in the world will never practice enough to acquire that skill. That is why the question should be asked “what is the easiest way”. Furthermore, statistically the best ball strikers don’t win tournaments. The players with the best shorts games and putting do. It’s apples and oranges. What Moe is demonstrating is a biophysical example of simplifying a golf swing to return the club to impact.
@@charliepastrami2813 can you say “ancestor worship”?
Even after surgery I have not swung club in six months! I hit the ball dead straight
From the rear view it doesn't look like he hits that straight to me. Lots of pulls and occasional pushes.