Leica M10 Monochrom Hands-on Review
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- The Leica M10 Monochrom is Leica's newest dedicated black and white camera. Is the Monochrom the ultimate street photography camera? Check out our sample gallery to see full resolution Raw images: www.dpreview.c...
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This XT3 Acros simulation looks absolutely gorgeous in this wintery wet city of yours. The Leica thing pales in comparison. Congrats to the videographer!
Thanks!
@@thatjordandrake Which lens did you use on the Fuji Jordan? And which Fuji lenses are the best for zero motor noise?
@@Skidoo22 The newer ones with LM in the name are low-noise. The older ones like those with the clutch-like focus rings have very loud AF motors.
You guys should really film more with Fuji. Fuji footage always looks really good.
The Acros simulation is breathtaking.
Damn that acros is beautiful, that segment from 2:18 looks amazing.
forget the $5000 camera. WOW, the Acros from the XT3 video is stunning. I guess the xt4 will be even better and no tripod needed. You guys get your hands on an xt4 next week? please
do a field test as well as normal spec stuff. I think a lot of us are anxious to see the XT4 in action marty sender you tube
I don't understand the math. If a sensor with red and green and blue goes monochrome. When it goes monochrome does it have 1/3 less resolution. Or does the going to monochrome average all the pixels. That's what I would do. I wouldn't turn 3 or 5 pixels or whatever it is. Into the monochrome value of those pixels. I would look at the pixels nearby. So if there was a gradient. As I turned by 3 to 5 pixels into monochrome. They would not be a blob with one gray luminous value. They would take on and the gradient nearby. Do you know what I mean?
@@Smoothblue90 the laica has a monocrome sensor. It's pixels(there are no.subpixels) only are sensors for luminance. They do not capture different channels of light separately
You guys convinced me! Now I really want a Fuji! Great work by Jordan. I can't wait for the XT-4. I can't even remember the camera Chris was talking about.
Hmmm, Fuji X-T3 + Acros is stealing the show of the Leica monochrome :-)
It's lovely
No
@@Ruylopez778 Dude, try to develop a sense of humor.
Indeed. I know we are looking at UA-cam compression but it is hard to see how the M10D output is 5x better than the XT3 with Acros.
@@garycraggs9953 It's not an M10D. It has a new 40mp sensor (compared to XT3 26mp)
Bigger sensor than APSC
3 stops more dynamic range than XT3
ISO to 100,000
You can't 'simulate' that with a Fuji filter.
And when selling or trading it in, it will be worth 5x the XT3.
You admit that YT is compressing the images and then say it's hard to see how the output is better? Why not look at an actual file online?
'My Toyota Corolla does 95% of what a Rolls Royce can do.' Yes, of course it does.
Fell in love with this concept after using the first Monochrom. It's the only digital camera I own now, love it! Especially when combined with old lenses from the 50s/60s. Thank you for the review!
X-T3 really shoots beautiful footages.
Best aps-c sensor camera ever made, I think so
@@IndigoChannel1 until the X-T4 gets released :P
@@chadmander15 X-T4 has same sensor, same processor.
@@TechReflex and? The X-T4 is still going to be better than the X-T3 in regards to video specs, IBIS, and battery life.
@@chadmander15 Thanks so much. It could be the perfect aps-c sensor camera using the fujijilm IBIS that you cand find at x-1h fuji. and a tilting screen. But, nothing is perfect.. we don´t know if we need to wait more time for something like that. that depends if Fujifilm want to give us something like a gfx100 with a aps-c sensor and tilting screen
Filmed with XT3, but XT4 in other hand :)
🤣
Hahaha totally.
You just need to get an X-T3 and stop messing around with Sony.
XT5 is going to be your perfect camera
this episode really makes me want to go take some photos!
Uuuhh man, ACROS looks so damn sexy!!
I liked that changeover to B&W in the intro. For bonus marks, the DPReview logo, which followed, should also have been B&W!
Thanks for the vídeo, guys. ;)
You've got a bunch of good shots here, and a handful of reaaally good shots, here. I personally really enjoyed the one with the kid on the underpass, and with the kid with the droplets/bokeh balls behind him. Awesome shots ;)
I'll wait for the Fuji version of this, as it has been unofficially confirmed.
Speaking of Fuji.. Great footage with the XT3 shooting video,here.
Cheers from Portugal ;)
That camera looks stunning, but the real champ here is that Acros from the X-T3 😍
Wow, i really like that X-T3.
Well Done. Love your review style, fun and informative! 👊🏼
Your film making talents really shine between 3:47 and 3:57. An example of off-the-chart artistic merits. Rich in human quality and personality. This reminds me of a previous masterpiece of yours when you did the Goodfellas "you are a funny guy" remake. Please consider making more short films - as illustrations of what particular cameras can do. That will provide so much artistic and technical inspirations, as you already have. Thank you.
The problem with Jordan's reviews of all Leicas is that he sees them through the filter of modern digital cameras and specification box-checking. Those are not the primary reasons you get a Leica.
To be fair, he is reviewing a modern digital camera 🤷♂️
Acros is gorgeous... I’m more amazed with the xt3 video rendition than the Leica by itself haahha
I wish I could afford this camera, but I am happy with my PEN-F, it takes beautiful B&W images also.
A major piano manufacturer just brought out a new piano. It's called the Stornway Monochrom piano. It has all the black keys missing. They put the price up to convince you that less is more. Now you can only play in the key of C major. Apparently it's a unique selling point. Thousands of "musicians" flocked to buy it, believing that removing the ability to modulate or play in all colours and keys was a benefit. And all the music journalists wrote rave reviews. In other news, pianists queued up to have their third and fourth fingers amputated. They argued that removing fingers enabled them to appreciate the remaining fingers better. Somehow, they felt it was more artistic.
Nice review, guys👍😎! I really like the portraits!!!
Hope you guys enjoyed that “filter” test ;-)
I don't have a dog in this fight, but the Acros film sim stole the show for me. Congrats to Jordan. What a good eye.
Yes...balloons...for filter tests...Yes.
Very nice, but very expensive. I wish Fujifilm would release a Monochrome only X-Pro or X100 camera at a lower price point...
the RAW files must be black and white too, that's so cool
Karan Chaudhary they are. The sensor literally does not have an RGB color filter on it, so it only senses light and dark (and all the variations of “greys” in between).
As usual I didn’t pay attention to the start of the video and missed what this was shot with (assuming it was on screen somewhere, or was said). Then at the end I’m like, this has to be a Fujifilm camera with Acros. I’m actually recognizing the look of it now even though I don’t use it often. Looks nice!
Man this XT3 Acros footage looks amazing.
Excellent review! Makes me want one. Are Chris's lymph glands swollen?
Always enjoy your reviews, even if I do miss the electric bass intro from your "past life". ;) As to the camera, I think I'll stick to the M10 I currently own on pain of murder-by-wife!
When you're reviewing an $8K camera and everyone is more in love with the results of the $1000 camera recording the review!😂
The reason DPreview videos with Chris and Jordan are the only ones that allow comments are because the only thing people would comment on the others is "Where's Chris and Jordan?"
As a Leica owner with an M240, I have never really liked the external EVF. Not that it is not effective in helping to focus and compose a scene, because it is. Rather, that for me, it does away with the Rangefinder experience and becomes another mirrorless. And it's not that I would consider myself a purist (I own other mirrorless cameras), but rather that if you are to make a rangefinder, then keep it as a rangefinder and improve that optical viewfinder. Fujifilm did it, and at a significantly lower price point. Leica has the technology, but chooses not to do it, placing that EVF bulb on top of the camera. They should change that to keep the camera low-profile and true to the rangefinder form factor.
100%, always seemed weird to me why leica haven't attempted their own hybrid viewfinder, especially on their Q cameras
Love the idea of this camera. Going to go home and put my 17mm (34 mm equivalent) on my Olympus M5 Mark II. And put it on RAW with monochrome picture profile. And go out and about.
After watching this episode, I decide to buy a Fujifilm XT3
Thanks. Great review as always and I enjoyed the B&W video as well.
I am considering the 28 3.5 and would like to see more examples of shots taken with it.
Love that column bw switch.
Low light shooting with a monochrome sensor is just insanely good. I shot the M10 Monochrome in a pitch black area on ISO 50k and it was clear as FUUUUUUUUCK
M JP ya even the M246 Monochrome has really clean files up to 8000 ISO and even 10,000 ISO works well a lot of the time. Banding sets in at 12,000 ISO though. To be fair though, most cameras look like trash past 6400 ISO (some even sooner than 6400).
Pics do look amazing. I wonder how the X100V + suitable b&w preset would compare.
Paulo Lima the video was shot in acros, which is Fuji’s best monochrome preset. It should be a pretty good sense of how Fuji B&W looks
This video makes me want to take video with my X-T2, I’ve never done it
Yo, you 100% should
Even in 2020, it's a great video platform. Don't shoot F-log though, it sucks on the XT2 and XH1. Rather, shoot in Proneg standard or Classic Chrome with the flattest settings. I find the footage to be quite robust even after colorgrading. Have fun!
LOL. This is a video about the M10 Monochrom, but everyone is more interested in the Fuji Acros that you guys used to shoot the video. This Leica M10 Monochrom video really did a good job in selling the Fuji cameras.
It's because all the Fuji fanboys watch Leica videos. I guess they do it so they can tell themselves their Fuji is better - which is a rather pointless task
It looks like the review was more about the XT-3 then M10 ???
Great footage ....
I love the black and white in this Leica monochrom video so much, I'll switch to Acros on my Fuji XT-3 right now! Fortune saved.
cropped sensor jpg isn't quite the same though is it? And you don't have an optical finder
@@Ruylopez778 This was not a comment meant for hair splitting. And about that optical viewfinder: X-Pro 1, 2, 3, my man.
@@JohannesLabusch Well your comment was about saving a fortune. You only "save" a fortune if you're comparing like for like.
Yes, you get an optical viewfinder on an X-Pro - but you don't get a rangefinder mechanism, you get a 'by wire' simulation.
And you don't have an X-Pro, you have an XT.
@@Ruylopez778 Leica aficionados are rumored to be a little hair-splitty, and you're starting to deserve that reputation. I have an X-Pro1, and an X-T3. Let's please not get crazy with this back-and-forth. I know that my black and white photos are not good enough to be pushed that millimeter closer to perfection by an 8000$ camera. That's all.
@@JohannesLabusch And what are Fuji X users rumored to be?
Zealous?
X-Pro 1 has a 16mp cropped sensor. It doesn't really compete with this camera in terms of IQ.
Digital Leicas are way overpriced, no doubt. And Fuji's faux film, faux Leica/TX/RTS offer 90% of the Leica experience.
But if you want a mechanical rangefinder experience then the Fuji falls short.
"closer to perfection"
It's the photographer that gets the shot, not the gear.
Back and forth? You told me to "try to develop a sense of humor"
This video just makes me wish you guys shot more with the XT3. Great job Jordan!
Nice black paint summaron
I was curious about this, though I couldn't afford it. I had been pushing Fujifilm to make a monochrome version of the x100 series, which would be cool, but as you say, you're then stuck with using screw on filters. I wonder if there is a difference between using, say, a yellow optical filter on a monochrome sensor, and applying a "yellow filter" or bias in post on a Bayer sensor?
I still would prefer converting colored to BW for color filter simulation.
Acros actually looks really good
The Leica is way out of my $ range. I just watch anything you guys put out!!! Jordan, how do you like shooting Fuji? I have A73 but thinking about getting the X-T4 in March for wedding video
I enjoy shooting Fuji, I just wish it had some of the assist tools I use all the time on the Panasonics (waveform, shutter angle, vectorscope).
aceflibble good point!
First from The Caribbean area lol. Waving from The Bahamas :)
I really enjoyed this x-t3 footage.
Stunning Fugi video color!
I enjoy your first monochrom review, that was long ago.
Great video and commentary. Great photos
Thanks!!!
Thoroughly enjoyed the acros video in this episode. I was sad to see it go away for half a second while showing the wall colours
Can't wait for your X-T4 review coming out next Thursday? ^_
Thank you for the nice (Fujifilm Acros) video! Although Leica always made very fine cameras, I must confess that I love to work with the Fujifilm models with their black and white simulation and the possibility to configure specific b&W color filter effect (Like the green one which is excellent to boost the skin tone). But I must confess that the Leica B&W resolution image output seems outstanding.
The Acros comes across so good. Pun not intended.
Very good program dealing, at last, with some important issues shootin B&W in the camera.
Shame that more manufacturers do stuff like this.
A digital b&w Pentax Spotmatic, Nikon FM etc. would have been something!
Good comprising Fuji vs Leica =)
Hey Chris, I have a question: How do most companies get in touch with you when they have a new product they'd like to send your way?
I think there is an auto review option where the LCD (Visoflex) will show the result for as long as you have your finger on the shutter release. That is a solution?
Love the outcome of the video. It looked great on black and white. Chris was okay.
Wow... Thanks.
@@niccollsvideo lol you know your viewers love you. Great job 👏
Many of the pictures shown used higher than required ISO for the scene. Why? 2nd, at 7:14, the delay waiting to see the picture just taken really should be an easy fix with a firmware update and I am surprised being on a camera of this cost.
Love how the video was shot in B&W! 💯
I'm not going to complain about Chris's not complaining
There is people out there that still believe that DPReview's reviews are genuine? Years ago I bought the infamous Leica M8, of course for DPReview the camera was fantastic (or fantastic was the money Leica paid for the 'review'). Well, sold the M8 a few months after and, after some time, bought an M9. Now I shot with Sony A7rii, Leica is today, nothing more than a hype.
Definitely going to start shooting my Fuji in acros more
Man, ACROS blows my mind...
Great sharpness and details in the testfiles. But for my taste most of them have a dull and greyish tonecurve. I am missing the punch of a good converted RGB-> B&W.
Are they edited or out of camera? Look at 4:51 as example the snow in sunlight should have more lights and brilliance.
For me a 35mm Foveon colour sensor would be the best digital B&W camera. Sharpness and details like a monochrome sensor but flexibility in conversion from colour to B&W.
Unfortunately Sigma is starting from scratch with that project…
Please. More videos about this camera. Thanks in advance!
As much as I like shooting in b/w this thing seems to be horrendously impractical. I have to put on an external EVF to see what I am going to receive in a viewfinder? I'd rather use an old film Leica and a cheap mirrorless, maybe one with a highresmode to digitalize the negatives later.
You could do more videos in b/w. It's so much nicer to watch. I like this one.
Does it come with built-in physical color filters for that price tag?
Increasing B&W contrast on a colour file in post?? No no... You will get weird white lines between the different subjects. This is exactly why you NEED a monochrome camera with filters. 👍🏼✨
i'll switch my fuji x-e1 to mono instead, awaiting the forthcoming x-eM(onochrome)...
I especially liked the transition at the beginnig.
What genius! A black and white only digital without the stigma of an affordable price. Makes nice jewelry, though.
Im in black an White right now which means only one thing, we're shooting with the Fuji X-T3 Acros.
Beautiful camera for sure if one's finance allows but I don't think there is an existing printer which can transfer all those exact equivalent numbers/scales of the the gray tones or shades of this camera produces on a piece of printed paper. Am I wrong? And can our eyes really see them if it exists?
Which fast 64gb sd card do you recommend with Leica M10 monochrom?
I think you missed the lack of Bayer filter, which is the MAIN BENEFIT of a Monochrom!!
It's interesting to see that at 1:44 both f8 and f3.4 with same lens has same depth of field. Or maybe something else is going on. Please correct me.
I use an old Fujifilm x10 and love it
I paid £30 and get wonderful results.
I painted a red dot on it!
28 to 110mm zoom. Optical viewfinder.
I have a Zorki 4k with the awesome Jupiter 8 50mm f2 lens.
£40. I painted a red dot on it too!.
I used a Leica M2 with a 50mm 2.8 collapsible Elmar lens back in the early 1960s with Ilford Fp3 film.
The Fuji video looks nicer than the Leica stills.
The monochrome subsensor on the Leica P9 wasn't enough for me. I want to get my daily carry (camera that is) debayered.
specs on xt4 just released by fuji. awesome video....but RECORD LIMIT 20 minutes and 30 minutes. Deal Breaker. you guys figure out way around that record limit on new xt4?
yes i know. my question is how do you get around that? I know it's been done with other cameras. Its a deal killer for me. No unlimited recording? bad for event shooting
yep no limit my gh5. xt4 looks great, but 30 minute per clip time limit? DEAL BREAKER
@Bobby Brady of course i edit. but I want a camera that shoots without time limits for many reasons....there has got to be a hack to lift the 30 minute limit....I think I read that Fuji was looking for a way to sell the camera in USA w/o EU mandated 30. well thanks for your sympathetic comments, but
with a 30 minute record limit, I ain't interested.
snow in Calgary is melting in February?
Make a Q2 Monochrome and I am a buyer.
bought this for myself as a beginner camera and haven't been let down yet
Thank you for the acros. :)
ACROS 😍😍😍
Great videography indeed..
Too bad we don't have alternatives from other major suppliers at "reasonable" prices.
At least we now know what you two have been smoking, I often wondered.
those were just some random balloons *wink-wink
That Acros though
B/W on film makes a lot more sense, on digital other than getting cool looking low light shots and perfectly neutral B/W photos there's just not much else for creativity reasons. I love to tweak colour contrast with all the colour information from a Bayer sensor.
Kian J your statement makes no sense. This is literally he closest thing to B&W film today. You can’t tweak the color information from this camera because it does not have a bayer filter. The sensor can only see light and dark. This is also why it is sharper.
@@EDHBlvd When you called my statement "makes no sense", have you considered with film you lack the option to do colour contrast adjustments from colour film source to output to black, which makes B/W film photography better for B/W film photography because it's a different workflow that you just use colour filers when shooting B/W film. With digital it's a different workflow, now stop pretending B/W digital is the closest to B/W film because it isn't.
Oh, and FYI, I know without a bayer filter it can resolve more, but know this, I said "creativity reasons". How do you mark up your sharper images BTW?
Really would love a more affordable brand to make a monochrome camera. An A7M or a X100M would be ideal.
Or a Fuji X-series monochrome camera would be pretty cool too.