1.2 8V and 1.4 8V Fiat FIRE Engine Comparison (Punto mk2 188 vs Grande Punto mk3 199)

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  • Here's all the differences I've found between different age Fiat FIRE Engines, 1.2 8V from Fiat Punto 2001 and 1.4 8V from Grande Punto 2008
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  • @JoniK1
    @JoniK1  2 місяці тому

    Here's the water pump comparison, bigger one is newer:
    ua-cam.com/video/TmPoFWJBkso/v-deo.html

  • @ZoidZoidZoidberg
    @ZoidZoidZoidberg Рік тому +4

    Thanks Jonik. Currently working on swapping out my turbo 1.1 (Van Aaken) 126 to a 1.2 MPI turbo (DET3). Your videos really help, thanks!!

  • @iabdozz
    @iabdozz Рік тому +4

    i learn alot about my Punto from your channel, i started to loving this car 👍👍

  • @JohnWick-yh5kn
    @JohnWick-yh5kn 4 місяці тому +3

    Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with us🤝

  • @israelj.talavera.2004
    @israelj.talavera.2004 Рік тому +2

    Thanks Jonik.

  • @jinxwil
    @jinxwil Рік тому +1

    Good luck with the build 🤞

  • @rappidprepper5128
    @rappidprepper5128 Рік тому +1

    Good job!

  • @fv7765
    @fv7765 Рік тому +1

    Could you confirm (if you know) the exhaust manifold on 1.2 16v is same as 1.4? I saw performance manifold 4-2-1 on 1.4 it looks same for fit on 1.2 16v?

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1  Рік тому +1

      Bolt pattern is the same in cylinder head but there can be a difference how the exhaust manifold is bolted to exhaust

  • @MonniTori
    @MonniTori Рік тому +1

    🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @sarath5050
    @sarath5050 Рік тому +1

    Can we add Turbo & Intercooler from Abarth to 1.4 Enging

  • @antonisantonis655
    @antonisantonis655 9 місяців тому +1

    hi!! I have the 1.2 8v and at 173k km only, it burns a lot of oil even tho I am doing regular oil changes. What is your opinion about this engine? good or bad? Also, the timing belt tensioner on this engine as you say is much worse than the newer engine tensioner, Fiat ask for a special tool to tension the old engine timing belt which is impossible to find, and even if you find it it will be very expensive, the result is to end up to tight the belt by your experience ( if you have any ) probably with a screwdriver like me or a plier, that was the most difficult part of the job for me as I could not be sure what exactly the correct tension should be, sad thing I had not see your video so to know that the newer tensioner fit in my engine to buy and put it on when I change the timing belt 1 week ago. Also, one other problem I have found with the old engine is the aluminum of the engine head, I dont know why, but Fiat should have used low-quality aluminum, and after 20 years of use and a lot of heat-cool cycles, some of the threads on it ( like the ones that hold the valve cover ) are getting stripped VERY VERY easily and make a small job a big one. Other problems I have with this engine was with the coil packs and the ECU, but those are general engine problems that the other engine could also have.

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1  9 місяців тому

      How much is the oil consumption? 0.5L/1000km is still rated "normal" in here. I had to top the oil every 1000km on my 300k km 1.2 8V engine. It gave up soon after that, no compression in third cylinder because of burnt exhaust valve

    • @andreabaietti8334
      @andreabaietti8334 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@JoniK1300k on a fire is not much, are you sure they were original?

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1  6 місяців тому +1

      @@andreabaietti8334 Yeah I bought it 50k driven with full service history

    • @fusherls
      @fusherls 6 місяців тому

      valve seals are gone...

  • @anotherbarry
    @anotherbarry 9 місяців тому +4

    I rebuilt the 1.2 8v top-end completely and reassembled the engine before I realised that I had a cracked piston ring in cylinder 2. I would like to remove the piston and rod from below, so I that I can avoid disassembly. Do you know if it's possible to remove the crankshaft and get the piston out from underneath?

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1  9 місяців тому +2

      Yes, I have done that

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1  9 місяців тому +1

      You should clean the oil pump filter at the same time

    • @anotherbarry
      @anotherbarry 9 місяців тому +2

      @@JoniK1 thank you! I wasn't sure if I would have enough clearance to get them past the mains, that will save me a lot of time

    • @anotherbarry
      @anotherbarry 9 місяців тому +1

      @@JoniK1 good advice, really appreciate it 🙏

    • @anotherbarry
      @anotherbarry 8 місяців тому +1

      @@JoniK1 when you did it, did you remove the cylinder head first and push the pistons up from the bottom? Or did you manage to remove the pistons with the cylinder head still attatched to the block?
      I have the sump and oil pickup removed, but it looks like there is not enough room to remove the piston from below

  • @akumabito2008
    @akumabito2008 Рік тому +3

    What is your favorite FIRE engine to work on and make power?

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1  Рік тому +5

      Of course TJET swap would be the easiest solution for power but sadly it's not legal in here for a modern car. 1.2 8V is really robust if compared to 16V but it doesn't really matter if you're not going to boost it. Now I want to know how this 1.4 8V will perform but sadly I had to use 1.2 cylinder head because the camshaft is different. I'll try to make it usable

  • @fabbricaitalianaautomobili5859
    @fabbricaitalianaautomobili5859 6 місяців тому

    Hi,would you consider selling your 1,2. Throttle body?

  • @israelj.talavera.2004
    @israelj.talavera.2004 Рік тому +3

    Fiat Seicento Sporting, 1.4 8v swap very interesting. Fuel pression pump?

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1  Рік тому +1

      No need for any changes if you use stock cylinder head, I just installed 1.2 8V cylinder head to 1.4 8V bottom end

    • @samivaananen8770
      @samivaananen8770 Рік тому +1

      @@JoniK1 Hieno kombo jos se toimii. Ainakin paljealue ja puristus-suhde muuttuu tässä swapissa. Kerro jatkossa kuinka pelittää 👌

    • @israelj.talavera.2004
      @israelj.talavera.2004 Рік тому +2

      @@JoniK1 thank you very much, Jonik, you is the best.👍

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1  Рік тому +1

      Joo kyllä toimii hyvinkin, vääntöä aivan eri malliin kuin mitä 1.2 moottorilla oli. Tällä viikolla koitan saada videota tänne

  • @mabuelaadam5837
    @mabuelaadam5837 13 днів тому +1

    Can 1.4 uses 1.2 crankshaft sensor with 1.2 computer box?

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1  11 днів тому

      Yes, check my newest 1.4 8v video

  • @samivaananen8770
    @samivaananen8770 Рік тому +1

    Mielenkiintoista vertailua. Ei taida olla nokatkaan vaihto kelpoisia keskenään. 1.2 mk2 ja mk2b eroaa juuri sen verran että ei stemmaa. 1.2 mk2b ja 1.4 nokat saattaisi sopia ehkä keskenään.

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1  Рік тому

      2006 Puntoon meni ainakin 866 nokka vielä

    • @samivaananen8770
      @samivaananen8770 Рік тому +1

      @@JoniK1 Tarkoitin lähinnä moottoreiden eroja. mk2b korissa saattaa vielä löytyä uutta ja vanhaa sekaisin. Ne missä on kierrekorkki tai painettava korkki on kansien rakenteissa eroja. Itse en saanut 866 nokkaa sopimaan 2005 uuden mallin mottiin.

    • @samivaananen8770
      @samivaananen8770 Рік тому +1

      Kun rupesin asiaa muistelemaan niin uudemmassa kannen mallissa nokan hihnapyörän puoleinen laakerointi on suurempi halkaisijainen kuin vanhemmassa 866 nokassa. Siksi se ei sopinut.

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1  Рік тому +2

      Se 2006 oli joo vielä sillä vanhemmalla moottorilla mutta siinä oli metallinen kannentiiviste ja erilainen öljytikku nyt ainakin eli tollanen jännä välimalli. En oo vielä ite ehtinyt tuota nokkaa tutkimaan mutta kuvien perusteella ainakin on eroa jonkin verran. Toki tuo 1.4 nokka on yllättävän hyvä eli ei tarttis periaatteessa kuin saada nokkapyörä modattua

  • @mjrwrxk2295
    @mjrwrxk2295 2 місяці тому +1

    The 1400 is the fire evo
    Say if i am wrong

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1  2 місяці тому

      Yes some are, there's minor differences

  • @user-kp4pd9pb8h
    @user-kp4pd9pb8h 7 місяців тому +1

    Can punto mk3 engine fit on mk1 punto ?

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1  7 місяців тому

      Yes if you use original intake manifold (sensors), crankshaft sprocket and pulley (ignition will be 15 degrees retarded otherwise). VVT may have to be locked (I haven't tested that yet). And of course you need to relocate coil pack. But yeah basically it's fittable

  • @ciroscala6610
    @ciroscala6610 10 місяців тому +1

    Non hai misurato la corsa dell'albero a camme... cambia anche quello

  • @adrianador
    @adrianador Рік тому +1

    So watch you can use 1.4 engine hed on 1.2 engine?

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1  Рік тому +1

      Yes you can but if you want to use it on older FIRE engine you have to modify the camshaft

    • @adrianador
      @adrianador Рік тому

      @@JoniK1 did you done this successfully ? Or it's just a theory :)

    • @GrandePunto8V
      @GrandePunto8V 9 місяців тому +2

      @@adrianador Most (if not all) simple 8V FIRE engines are very similar, mechanically you can install blocks and heads, mix them, they fit (and will seal the oil, coolant and will make compression). But that's not all. You must manage the timing, ignition, ECU and so on. That's the problem.

  • @ciroscala6610
    @ciroscala6610 10 місяців тому +1

    Gli alberi a camme non sono intercambiabili.

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1  9 місяців тому

      Yeah but I found out that if I want to use that 1.4 8V cylinder head it is possible by modifying the camshaft pulley

    • @ROBYJAOS1
      @ROBYJAOS1 4 місяці тому

      Ma si può montare la testata sel 1.4 su su Ypsilon 1.2 aerie 312? Che modifiche bisogna fare? Quanti cavalli si ottengono? Grazie mille

    • @ciroscala6610
      @ciroscala6610 4 місяці тому

      @@ROBYJAOS1 non capisco cosa vuoi fare?

    • @danielespirio6001
      @danielespirio6001 2 місяці тому

      Vorrei sapere se le due testate sono intercambiabili.mi spiego meglio, ho un 1.2 8v,posso montare la testata del 1.4 8v? Ovviamente senza fare modifiche? Se si può si hanno dei benefici in termini di prestazione?

  • @milanmilosavljevic6920
    @milanmilosavljevic6920 2 місяці тому +1

    1,4 dali moze u menjac od 1,2 da se spoji