In a former life, I worked in bike shops and sold a lot of accessories, including various bike bags. You're at a bit of a disadvantage with this type of pannier set because you have a cantilevered, seatpost-mounted rear rack. It lacks the lateral support and spoke protection that a traditional rear rack provides with two, sometimes three support struts on each side. And better panniers include some sort of tensioned hook system that attach the main bags to the rear dropouts. Adding a rigid panel inside the main compartment of any pannier will increase lateral stability. The best material for this is something called Coroplast: a lightweight, waterproof, corrugated plastic material that outdoor signs and post office sorting bins are made of. I did notice in your video is the main seams of the top bag are have bias binding on the inside to prevent the raw edges from unraveling. I couldn't see if that's carried throughout the construction, but it's a sign of enhanced quality. If you do have a nylon bag with any raw edges, turn the bag inside-out and *carefully* melt the raw edges with a candle flame. The trick is to melt them just enough so the individual nylon strands fuse together. Otherwise the raw edges will fray with use. When the fraying gets to the stitching, the seam will begin to fail.
good info thanks Marc. I did end up having some problems with the bags hitting the spokes. I think if I used them again I'll have to go with a better rack system.
I just bought this set, except under the name Sahoo because it shipped faster, but it's the same. The installation instructions are on Amazon. Thank you for the review, it affirms my choice
I've bought this set too from a Chinese supplier on Amazon for just €22. I'm still waiting on delivery which is a little overdue but hopefully it will arrive but glad to see that the quality is going to be ideal for everyday use. Lixada is another name this company sell the same products under too.
Thanks for showing the mounting. no one else seems to want to show that. I was concerned if they would mount and stay away from the wheels. Looks like they will. Thanks again
Looks like a pretty good set, I have something similar and it's lasted well, worked quite well in the rain and in my experience the lettering is HiViz, if so you'll hopefully get some extra safety from that. Dry bags will help with critical stuff like electronics and sleeping bags. I would definitely consider a rack that has a leg down to the dropout to help keep the panier away from the wheel. I didn't see any mounts in the dropouts but you could use P clamps around the seat stay? Look forward to seeing your trip
For the rain, I was planning on putting things into plastic bags and leaving it at that. I don't really plan on doing a lot of extreme riding so I think it'll be okay. I think I maybe I made a mistake getting the "floating" type of rack because of the lack of support for the bags, I thought it would be lighter and simpler, which it is, but I think the trader off might not be worth it. But never the less I'll have to make it work. thanks WAL!
You could always spray it with sealant so it will be more water resistant. I'm now following you on Strava. I hope that you are only getting some rain and not much wind from the storms.
The panniers to me are not the issue, your rear rack has very short "lateral support" (idk how to call them) so the panniers cas easily get into your spokes and cause an accident.
yep, exactly right, they don't go down far enough. But this rack is sort of a light duty rack, it doesn't even have any vertical support and says it only support 9kg. But I'll have to deal with it.
I wouldn't use it. As the bike shifts side to side the bag can go into the wheel. I would HIGHLY suggest getting a proper rack for pannier use. I have these. They're awesome for the price. But I'm looking for something in 3 pieces, where that top bag turns into a backpack and the sides are like shopping pannier bags with shoulder straps
@@kevinjfeeney77 that actually happened a few times today while out, nothing really happened but it didn't sound good. What I've done to solve it was stretch a bungee from one side of the frame, over the rack, then to the other side, this creates a little barrier for the bags before they hit the wheel. It seems to work fine, did everything I could to get them to go into the wheels and they wont now. But what I don't like is that it because it's pulling down slightly on the rack, that basically makes the low weight limit even worse. But at the moment it's working and seems solid.
Thanks for the review and view I ordered for my bike with a rack Amazon has these paniers for 80-355$ Careful not to overpay Maybe listing for the same paniers at vastly different prices If it tears the bag use duct tape 🥇
I don't do "filtering" in heavy traffic and 98% of my riding is on open roads or streets so in the dark or most of the winter I have a piece of black plastic water pipe the same width as my handlebars I attach to the rear of my rack with hose clamps (also called jubilee clips here.) I put a flashing light either end and the idea is it makes me look wider on the road and hopefully encourages vehicles to give me a wider berth when passing me. Just loosen or tighten the screw's on the hose clamps a couple of turn's to add or remove the pipe. Easy peasy. I also have Bluetooth operated right and left indicators I use with this system when I'm going to be in town more especially at night. I also have mirrors and always wear a bright orange hi-vis. Just what I do to make myself hopefully a little safer on the dark roads.
Just received mine, and on their own, they seem to work well, but the top bag doesn't have anything to tighten it so with nothing in the side bags, if I put a laptop on the top bag (it doesn't fit in either side pockets), the top bag just swings around and that's not too confidence inspiring
@@BruceChastain I put the strap it came with thru the loops and attached it to the side bags when going grocery shopping, and when everything is filled up, it held up quite well, it was very very heavy, but it worked.
I usually have the top bag with zipper facing towards the front of the bike and using a bungee cord to keep if falling off to the rear....by using the shoulder strap d-rings.
@@BruceChastain I found it to move more...if it did, when empty. It would be sagging off the end (or to one side)... so the cord helps prevent it from moving.
hey there MJ, really not sure, I don't have the bag with me right now. But it would be close, I would guess yes of course on the top storage area. I've actually been thinking about making a pizza box for my bike for awhile now. I would like to carry a large pizza on the front basket maybe.
I got the little one up front from Decathlon in France. I'm not sure if Decathlon US will have the same one, generally the US stores seem to carry less stuff.
Nice bag - one has to learn how to sew (in the very basic sense), because any bag will need a repair. Then if you can fix them yourself, they should last a long time.
I could but I don't think it would be fair because these skinny tires are really easy to skid. But even with the stock ones I'm sure you can skid. Just put some of your weight forward and lock the rear brake. I actually did a skidding video a long time ago with a fixed gear. ua-cam.com/video/IE3wZlOV8g8/v-deo.html
I did see that too, I once bought one for a hiking back pack I have, but after years and years I've never used it. Even when it does rain I always think at the time that I'll just keep going quickly and be out of it soon.
@@BruceChastain how long have yours held up? Since my bike is outside the sin has faded some of the color, but surprisingly the stitching and fabric overall have held up.
Also... I only use panniers with a pannier rack. Yeah, I've seen some people get by without one but I'd rather avoid the avoidable.... (bag going into spokes).
Well ended up selling the bike. But before that I did a multi day ride, and yes it was really annoying, I ended up using some bungee cord to keep it away, which worked. See my video on riding to key west if you want to laugh about that a bit.
God it hurts my eyes that weird not pannier!!! Real panniers are so much nicer. I know obviously it's because it doesn't have eyelets but still, I hate it.
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In a former life, I worked in bike shops and sold a lot of accessories, including various bike bags. You're at a bit of a disadvantage with this type of pannier set because you have a cantilevered, seatpost-mounted rear rack. It lacks the lateral support and spoke protection that a traditional rear rack provides with two, sometimes three support struts on each side. And better panniers include some sort of tensioned hook system that attach the main bags to the rear dropouts. Adding a rigid panel inside the main compartment of any pannier will increase lateral stability. The best material for this is something called Coroplast: a lightweight, waterproof, corrugated plastic material that outdoor signs and post office sorting bins are made of. I did notice in your video is the main seams of the top bag are have bias binding on the inside to prevent the raw edges from unraveling. I couldn't see if that's carried throughout the construction, but it's a sign of enhanced quality. If you do have a nylon bag with any raw edges, turn the bag inside-out and *carefully* melt the raw edges with a candle flame. The trick is to melt them just enough so the individual nylon strands fuse together. Otherwise the raw edges will fray with use. When the fraying gets to the stitching, the seam will begin to fail.
good info thanks Marc. I did end up having some problems with the bags hitting the spokes. I think if I used them again I'll have to go with a better rack system.
I just bought this set, except under the name Sahoo because it shipped faster, but it's the same. The installation instructions are on Amazon. Thank you for the review, it affirms my choice
sure thing Semi
I've bought this set too from a Chinese supplier on Amazon for just €22. I'm still waiting on delivery which is a little overdue but hopefully it will arrive but glad to see that the quality is going to be ideal for everyday use.
Lixada is another name this company sell the same products under too.
Thanks for showing the mounting. no one else seems to want to show that. I was concerned if they would mount and stay away from the wheels. Looks like they will. Thanks again
thanks Sherri!
Looks like a pretty good set, I have something similar and it's lasted well, worked quite well in the rain and in my experience the lettering is HiViz, if so you'll hopefully get some extra safety from that. Dry bags will help with critical stuff like electronics and sleeping bags. I would definitely consider a rack that has a leg down to the dropout to help keep the panier away from the wheel. I didn't see any mounts in the dropouts but you could use P clamps around the seat stay? Look forward to seeing your trip
For the rain, I was planning on putting things into plastic bags and leaving it at that. I don't really plan on doing a lot of extreme riding so I think it'll be okay. I think I maybe I made a mistake getting the "floating" type of rack because of the lack of support for the bags, I thought it would be lighter and simpler, which it is, but I think the trader off might not be worth it. But never the less I'll have to make it work. thanks WAL!
You could always spray it with sealant so it will be more water resistant. I'm now following you on Strava. I hope that you are only getting some rain and not much wind from the storms.
Good point, I may even have some of that stuff around. I'm following you back, thanks man!
Just saw your Schwinn Restoration and the colour you picked for it is so clean!!!! Hoping to see more of your videos! Keep it up champ!
thanks a lot Vikku-san!
You need a rack with the vertical supports meant to hold panniers. The supports block the panniers from the wheels.
The panniers to me are not the issue, your rear rack has very short "lateral support" (idk how to call them) so the panniers cas easily get into your spokes and cause an accident.
yep, exactly right, they don't go down far enough. But this rack is sort of a light duty rack, it doesn't even have any vertical support and says it only support 9kg. But I'll have to deal with it.
@@BruceChastain so the rack and panniers are incompatible? Can you update us in six months to see how you got on?
I wouldn't go so far as to say they are an incompatible set, but maybe not ideal. Yes I will update everyone.
I wouldn't use it. As the bike shifts side to side the bag can go into the wheel. I would HIGHLY suggest getting a proper rack for pannier use.
I have these. They're awesome for the price. But I'm looking for something in 3 pieces, where that top bag turns into a backpack and the sides are like shopping pannier bags with shoulder straps
@@kevinjfeeney77 that actually happened a few times today while out, nothing really happened but it didn't sound good. What I've done to solve it was stretch a bungee from one side of the frame, over the rack, then to the other side, this creates a little barrier for the bags before they hit the wheel. It seems to work fine, did everything I could to get them to go into the wheels and they wont now. But what I don't like is that it because it's pulling down slightly on the rack, that basically makes the low weight limit even worse. But at the moment it's working and seems solid.
Thanks for the review and view
I ordered for my bike with a rack
Amazon has these paniers for 80-355$
Careful not to overpay
Maybe listing for the same paniers at vastly different prices
If it tears the bag use duct tape 🥇
thanks for watching, unfortunately I haven't got too much time to use it yet, just one trip.
Thx for reviewing. Will you be reviewing the Rhinowalk 3 in 1 Bike Pannier Bag also?
thanks for watching! not sure, I would but I really don't need another bag.
Just curious the piece of pipe for on the back of your rack is for? By the way great review.
hey Ian thanks a lot! That little pip was made so that I could attach my rear bike light.
@@BruceChastain Ha ha thanks for that. Great idea. Might try that myself.
I don't do "filtering" in heavy traffic and 98% of my riding is on open roads or streets so in the dark or most of the winter I have a piece of black plastic water pipe the same width as my handlebars I attach to the rear of my rack with hose clamps (also called jubilee clips here.)
I put a flashing light either end and the idea is it makes me look wider on the road and hopefully encourages vehicles to give me a wider berth when passing me.
Just loosen or tighten the screw's on the hose clamps a couple of turn's to add or remove the pipe. Easy peasy.
I also have Bluetooth operated right and left indicators I use with this system when I'm going to be in town more especially at night.
I also have mirrors and always wear a bright orange hi-vis.
Just what I do to make myself hopefully a little safer on the dark roads.
Seems well worth the 40 bucks. What exactly is the purpose of the white pvc piece?
the pipe was made to mount a front light onto. worked pretty well.
Just received mine, and on their own, they seem to work well, but the top bag doesn't have anything to tighten it so with nothing in the side bags, if I put a laptop on the top bag (it doesn't fit in either side pockets), the top bag just swings around and that's not too confidence inspiring
yeah I thought the same thing about the top bag. I used bungee cords to hold everything tight.
@@BruceChastain I put the strap it came with thru the loops and attached it to the side bags when going grocery shopping, and when everything is filled up, it held up quite well, it was very very heavy, but it worked.
I usually have the top bag with zipper facing towards the front of the bike and using a bungee cord to keep if falling off to the rear....by using the shoulder strap d-rings.
thanks for the feedback, I haven't felt it move back much but if it does I'll have an extra bungee in case.
@@BruceChastain I found it to move more...if it did, when empty. It would be sagging off the end (or to one side)... so the cord helps prevent it from moving.
Do you think the top bag is big enough for a 14" pizza?
hey there MJ, really not sure, I don't have the bag with me right now. But it would be close, I would guess yes of course on the top storage area. I've actually been thinking about making a pizza box for my bike for awhile now. I would like to carry a large pizza on the front basket maybe.
Hi. What are the small panniers onyour to tube? Thanks
I got the little one up front from Decathlon in France. I'm not sure if Decathlon US will have the same one, generally the US stores seem to carry less stuff.
Nice bag - one has to learn how to sew (in the very basic sense), because any bag will need a repair. Then if you can fix them yourself, they should last a long time.
yes I do know how, but I'm not super confident, but for sure if or when it fails I will at least attempt it.
They seem to be made of good material. But the usage time is going to prove it, right? Go ahead, your channel is cool!
Thanks a lot Eloi. Your exactly right, only time and usage will tell.
what kind of water bottle is that?
Not sure of the name, just something cheap I got off amazon.com
Yo bro, can you do a video skiding on the walmart bike, I have one and i think is too heavy to really skid but if you can, then I can
I could but I don't think it would be fair because these skinny tires are really easy to skid. But even with the stock ones I'm sure you can skid. Just put some of your weight forward and lock the rear brake. I actually did a skidding video a long time ago with a fixed gear. ua-cam.com/video/IE3wZlOV8g8/v-deo.html
I have an 09 se draft..high tensile steel. Quite heavy but I skid on it. I just avoid it because I don't feel like burning through $45-60 gatorskins.
They offer a rain fly for $10 on Amazon, last time I looked. But since it doesn't rain that much in Los Angeles I didn't buy it.
I did see that too, I once bought one for a hiking back pack I have, but after years and years I've never used it. Even when it does rain I always think at the time that I'll just keep going quickly and be out of it soon.
@@BruceChastain how long have yours held up? Since my bike is outside the sin has faded some of the color, but surprisingly the stitching and fabric overall have held up.
Also... I only use panniers with a pannier rack. Yeah, I've seen some people get by without one but I'd rather avoid the avoidable.... (bag going into spokes).
I met one person using these on the southern tour..
which tour is that?
Tier.. my bad
That pipe what for?
the idea with the pipe was to mount the front light, to get it over the basket.
Instructions is what i was wanting!
instruction on how to use and or mount the bag?
@@BruceChastain yes and you did that. I'm sorry if there was any confusion. I really appreciated this video; I was in a hurry and needed assistance.
So how long did it take you to replace your rack with a different one? Hahaha.. and if you didn't, I bet your sick of rubbing on the tire...
Well ended up selling the bike. But before that I did a multi day ride, and yes it was really annoying, I ended up using some bungee cord to keep it away, which worked. See my video on riding to key west if you want to laugh about that a bit.
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@@BruceChastain hey
God it hurts my eyes that weird not pannier!!! Real panniers are so much nicer. I know obviously it's because it doesn't have eyelets but still, I hate it.
really? I liked it, but I don't know anything different either.
@@BruceChastain when you have eyelets for it you can get much more elegant ones. Like some or the tortec stuff.