MJ excellent videos ! I ve been using Viega press since 2009 you can feel each fitting and feel if your tool has pressed or not before turning the water back on the very first time I used the tool to install a hot water cylinder I had one joint not pressed and I was able to simply press the fitting with the water on. I ve even pressed lever valves on when the house main wouldn’t completely shut off. Undoubtedly I am crazy about making witnesses marks before pressing so I can go back over to make sure everything is fully Inserted before and after pressing the fittings. All this being said tho I do wonder sometime is it really worth it all I mean with just my truck I ve spent around $7k on the tool , jaws, and the ring adapters for pressing at tight spots or at walls and floors etc. I also have the jaws to press iron pipe from 1/2” thru 2” in the states they have pulled out of copper gas fittings but is it all worth it in the end really? In some situations definitely cutting and treading steel YES but installing or REPAIRING copper pipe it really depends. I also feel like the copper fitting manufacture are pushing the prices of solder fittings up to be closer to press since 2020. Anyhow love the vids keep ‘em coming Just some of a plumbers thoughts on a Saturday night!
Hats off to you for showing that, while not only proving you're human, but pointing out why it happened. Must admit that my first plumbing attempt using compression fittings, I turned water back on full power and immediately heard that dreaded hiss as it cascaded out of my bad job. After that, I always turn water on very slowly and check........ just in case!
Fellow plumber here, been thinking of going flame free but you have just convinced me to stay with my trusty blow torch. Those fittings are a fortune as well. Love the videos m8.
My friend, flame free id not a necessity if you have a little common sense. I prefer soldering over press fittings because there no rubber O-rings that can fail over time and PEX fittings because of the same reason: no rubber
I have seen plenty of soldering fittings from 30+ years old that were loose. So a rubber or soldering, over time everything can go bad. Two reasons I choose for press fittings. It is a lot quicker and you don't have to work with an open flame so there is no chance of a fire. And trust me this happens more than people think. Only thing with press fittings is they became ridiculous expensive in the last three years.
It’s much easier to remake a soldered joint or the old style compression joints with olives I put this new type of fitting into the same category as keyless entry and electric parking brakes on cars.
respect for your honesty,however i'm not a plumber but a diy,er ,and this is exactly why i don't pay tradesmen anymore. when i took my en suite out to do a refit,i cant believe the shite he'd done.not all tradesmaen are created equal,but DIY for me forever from now on.cheers mate.ALSO , what enables and helps me to do my own diy is exactly youtube videos like this one,like i said , thanks again
Thanks for that, Mark. You could have edited that out and nobody would have been any the wiser … but then nobody would have been any the wiser. Having spent most of today reminding myself why I’m not a plumber, it’s refreshing to see even the pros make mistakes - and the best ones are the ones who admit it.
@@MJTiffPlumbing Mate I dread to think the damage a fitting failing could do in a wall of under the floor I imagine you capped that and ran down stairs in 30 seconds mains pressure is scary stuff lol.
Hi Mark, Great video as usual. I always put a cross on each side of every fitting once we have pressed it, also helps to draw round the pipe once inserted when you have pushed them together so you can see if the copper ever slips back before pressing.
@@MJTiffPlumbing I do this as well, just a little X on each side of the fitting, bit more work but helps you see at a glance if youve done it or not, we've all been there 👍
Your supposed to put a cross next to a pressed fitting and your initial , we have been using press for years now but it took a lot of convincing , but it does work out expensive if you have to cut it all out, like Mark press can fail but it is a learning curve... I drilled through a water main twice in 1 day it happens lol.
Man... You are the star. Watching you because of your honest approach to the job. No one is perfect and if someone is telling you the other way just run away. Great job as usual.
Real world plumbing, these things happen this is why I like watching your channel Mark. It shows how to rectify issues when they need sorting, keep the good work coming.
That's the mini nightmare we all dread, especially when you're in the house on your own and you've got to get to the stop tap. Thanks for showing it all. I had a rad blow when i was giving the system a flush and black sludge went everywhere. Sh1t happens, it's how you deal with it. Well done Mark. I can see how the press fit is tricky to be sure you've pressed them all.Cheers for the honest vid.
Well done for showing that mark. We always put an 'x' in Sharpie on either side of the press as a witness mark or I prefer to use the gerberit fittings so you can easily see when you have pressed them.
No matter how careful anyone is with making sure there's no leak , as sure as eggs are eggs ,if its wants to leak ,it will leak . I've had it where I've soldered a fitting and it looks water tight ,but the blighter shows me otherwise,or it just takes that split time where you get distracted. I've even had an occurrence where I didn't solder a joint and it held for a while. After 45 years in the industry anyone who says they never get a leak is a liar . I watched it a when it blew I felt myself panicking, it's not a good feeling. As you say it's " real world plumbing" and brought it home. Great save there on your part . And yes,I have finally subscribed.because what you show is all real and none of this " click bait " Thank you for all you do !
And that's why you check all fittings before the flooring goes down. I was talking to conex and he said the v fittings will weep if not pressed up to 6 bar. I never want to find out if that's true. Great video #realworld 👍👍
Thanks mate…. We all make mistakes, it’s how you deal with them that counts. Real World Plumbing on my channel, when it goes right and wrong… we are all human👍🏼👍🏼
What happens if you press a joint ‘twice’ would it matter? Can you not just double check each joint with your hands before turning the water on like you would with push fit? Seems simple to me but I might be wrong?
Although I've always thought the Geberit fittings are not good for the environment with their plastic caps and plastic wraps at least you can see what has been pressed and what hasn't. Big fan of pressfit great for leaks and in roofs. Great videos keep up the good work 👏
ive been in the game 36yrs and yes we all have dodgy days,ive seen solder joints never solderd and have stayed tight just with the flux, however ive never been convinced of any push fit or the press fit crap, age old problem of a bit of rubber with a hole causing a lifetime of grief or till they leave home, on a serious note i had a bag of 15mm end feed elbows with pin holes in , lucky for me i felt sometimg on the back of my hand , couldnt see the fine jet of water and was very lucky as it was going to be under a very expensive floor for many years, no comment from the supplier or manufacture when i ranted at the merchants.
For anyone that is in a hurry: It's user error. Pressfittings don't fail when installed correctly. We use these for over 30 years almost exclusively in germany. They are prone to user error however. That's why producers like Viega have instructions on how to install them. You have to mark the insertion depths and you have to mark already pressed fittings. Doing that gives you a perfect track record. **ALWAYS DOUBLE-CHECK EACH AND EVERY SINGLE CONNECTION.**
Hi Mark, As you say, "It is what it is"! we've all done it! even done it with soldered joints. Lesson learned there then " REAL WORLD PLUMBING"! Great honest video.
It’s nice to see a plumber showing the bad bits too. I always use Giberit fittings as like you said you have the plastic on the collar of the fittings to confirm if it’s pressed.
I always mark the fitting using a green marker pen to confirm it’s been done ✅ well done for showing how some days just don’t go to plan, which is all part of the job !!! Keep up the good work 😊
I would use them in a thatched loft else it's always end feed for me, unless it's impossible to get all the water out. I'm old school but well practiced in soldering. Great videos though Mark, it takes guts to show failures, many only show where it goes well even though everyone has the odd problem.
I met a plumber who put a mark on every joint he had pressed he used a black maker so you can see it very clearly I have done that ever since work like a charme just tape the cap of the marker on the Milwaukee press and you will always have a marker with you. Greetings from Belgium.
The o ring falling out whilst dealing with the leak was unlucky, should get into the habit of marking a cross on the fitting ends after each crimp you do, saves any seconding guessing 👍
Top work mark it takes a honest person to show a mistake fairly play they look like the gut press fittings wich don't come with any indicators once you've pressed them been caught out a few times best thing to do is put a visible pen mark after pressing hope this helps 😎👍😎👍😎👍😎👍😎👍😎👍😎👍
In the US most have gone via the RLS and or Viega pro press fittings they seem to be much easier to determine when pressed. That being said still prefer to solder anything that that is fully covered by a floor or a ceiling. Good investigative work this experience will help avoid this kind of situation in the future.
I always use the geberit mapress fittings which are the ones you mentioned which have the little plastic bits wrapped round which come off after you crimp it! I don’t like using any others for that reason lol
Same, I always use the ones with the plastic on too. Maybe a paint marker built in to the press tool so it marks up the joint once you've crimped it. Get on with it Rothenberger, you can have that idea for free!
Been using Mapress for years with no problems that I know of. Best way to make sure you've crimped all the joints is to mark them with a sharpie as you go. Quick, easy, (should be) foolproof. One job I worked on we had to initial each crimp so that if there were any leaks the boss would know who to blame.
Glad to see I am not the only one that has made this mistake. I forgot one to press two months ago. Sadly the wall was allready closed but luckily it was my own house 😅
Great video and fair play to you for the full disclosure and as you say its real world plumbing and for me (as a DIY'er) its nice to know even the professionals have off days! I don't know much about these fittings but I assume that the diameter of a pressed and unpressed joint are different and I was wondering if it would be possible to get a metal block made up with a gap equivalent to the 'pressed' dia so that you could check each joint before restoring the water supply. I bit like a Go/NOGo gauge commonly used within the engineering industry.
I've forgot to clamp pex a couple of times. Water everywhere. I've also come across a situation where a CPVC joint had not been glued. It was just shoved together. And it held for 23 years until a bathroom remodel found it. I'd rather have a uncrimped connection blow right away as opposed to covering it up under a floor and then having it pop loose weeks, months later. At least you were there to shut things down quick!
Hi, good honest video. I have been pressing copper and MLCP for 15 years - use Geberit fittings - they have a thin plastic layer around the fitting that falls off (with a little help) after it has been pressed, either that or use a Sharpie to mark the fitting. Also, as with push fit, always mark the depth, these fittings can move when being pressed and move off the pipe. Geberit supply a depth marking tool with there press guns. There is nothing worse than wondering if the pipe pulled out a little, best to know for sure.
Ace video Mark real world plumbing as you say these things happen and thanks for leaving it in, I once jigsawed through a live mains cold pipe (im a diy'er) that feeling knowing you have to leave it to run downstairs to switch the mains off 😂, we do a lot of offsite pipework so mark the fittings once pressed
I did a course with geberit and there fitting seal with the crimp only the on o'ring is there as a backup incase the crimp fails worth checking if the fitting you use are the same
Great video, I'm still not sure about using press fit, like you said least with solder you can see if it's been done. If I'm working my own and I'm turning the water back on, I'll turn it on and let the pressure build up then turn it off again and check the pipework for leaks, if it's all OK then I'll turn the water on again and leave it on.
What pressfit fittings did you use, I use pegler xpress. Once you’ve pressed it you get a point on the fittings that raises so you can feel the fitting and feel for the point if that makes sense.
Thanks for video. Very good lessons in one video for everyone who works with press fittings. I didn’t even expect this rubber ring can come out. I have same press tool and some one tells me it must be calibrated with time otherwise it pressing badly and joints leaking
Very nice hard work loved the vid, may I ask why you use pushfits for general joints? Usually i keep them only for exceptions where i cant get to with a permanent fitting
Interesting video Mark good job you had that cap to use otherwise it would of been another plastered ceiling. I agree there should be a better way of checking if you have pressed the fitting. Have a good week. 👍
I worked for a company that did some National Trust work, no hot works or push fit/plastic allowed, odd bit for cosmetic or to overcome access issues was soldered in the van! Out of interest I did some destruction tests on a few joints and found with a bit of a wobble you can just pull out the press fit!
Great video Mark, I love a good old snatch movie!!! I've got the same gun as you an mine leaves a witness mark on the fitting after its pressed, not sure if thats normal but does help as you can feel it, I also give the fittings a tug test and check them prior to pressing as I found a small stone behind the O ring which came straight out of a new unopened bag????
Good save with the cap and screwdriver, shite happens ! I keep a couple of speedfit caps of various sizes in my bag for such panics. Props for not editing out.
Hat's off to you mate. Something I remember the old boys telling me when I was an apprentice, 36 years ago, "he who aint made a mistake, aint made nothing". Maybe just use a marker on each joint to confirm it's pressed. Something like that might do.
Real world Mark 👍Happens to us all it's just whether your man enough to admit it & you truly are 👌I went to do a cloakroom strip out & blank off yesterday & ended getting up more involved than my quote which resulted in a call back to a waste remodel that was weeping but i didn't hide from it
Oh God this wasnt good for my hot flushes 😂😂😂 Reminded me of the time I cut the wrong pipe and blasted black radiator sludge all over a cream carpet 😮😢 Well done Mark I bet you could not wait to get home, Just Another Manic Monday!
Easy after the event but perhaps fit some full bore isolation valves at the beginning .. easier if you have no one to turn the stopcock on for you . Plus if the customer is home they have their water back on whilst you do the work . Good video on press fit as I’m considering getting one - Thanks
Here is the argument for PEX A/Uponor lol But when I was training at a plumbing company years ago we were taught to either check for the teat created by the jaws of the press tool or mark the joints with a marker. Nevertheless the less great video and keep up the work!
I'm long retired mate but I can imagine how difficult it would be to keep track of all those joints. I think I'd be inclined to just put a mark with a felt tip on each joint as I did it. I'm surprised they haven't built something in to the tool to do that.
There are fittings that have a ring around them that falls off once pressed. Viega press also marks the fitting with a small v, so you know you used the correct tool for the system.
Very helpful. The issue with those fittings seem to be two-fold - you can't tell if they've all been done up and if there's a leak you have to cut the pipework. They look smart, though!
Loving your videos, learnt a lot of yourselves and others! Regarding the soil stack going up into the loft to regulates pressure by removing it are there any real cons or replacement that wasn’t described? My bathroom has one boxed in but I’d love to know if it can be removed to free up some more space as it’s only 3.4 sq/m
@@MJTiffPlumbing unfortunately not just the one leading into the loft/attic had a snoop on google street view and all other neighbours with the same build have them internally like mine, I’ll probably get a confirmation from local plumbers looping a vent externally will work to code. Thanks for the response!
Hi Mark. Fair play leaving that In Mark. As you say real world plumbing. Would be interesting to see what other plumbers do to remember which fittings they have pressed. I am sure you will get a system in place. Have a good week Mark 👍
I’m just thinking how much cheaper it would have been to solder all of that, and you could see whether it had been soldered. I just don’t trust pressfit, or myself to remember that I’ve pressed all the ends. By the time you’ve used new fittings,cleared up and redone the work you could have resoldered any leaking joint and been done and dusted. Having used pressfit quite a bit at work, I’m so not convinced on the benefits of it over soldering.
That’s what I like about your videos, you give both sides of the argument. I work in a hospital so we are limited on the ‘hot works’ we can do, but it’s such a hassle using pressfit in a lot of the awkward spaces we have to work in. I just find myself thinking ‘it would be so much easier if I could just solder this’!!! Keep up the good work and the videos. 👍🏻
I did notice you said that on your video as long it's not the end of the line drain vent you did away with, on another note I feel your pain with the press fit, I ues the map press fittings with the wrapping it does help as a reference
Hi Mark, looks like a typical Monday, if you look you can see the ones you have pressed by the crimp marks that it leaves on the fittings, sometimes the bigger fittings weep and you can put a piece of paper around it and repress it, that is as long as it has a o ring in it.
Seen loads of these press fits fail on jobs - Im not a plumber but an old school plumber told me that when you solder a joint if it doesnt leak at the time it will never leak and hes been proved right - I have been building 40 years and you can rive the soldered pipes about and I havnt seen one leak yet - sometimes you just move a pushfit and it leaks
Well done for being up front mark I had a 22mm lever valve blow off on me when working on a unvented cylinder though it wasn’t leaking before it hd paste on it once I removed the pipe on the other end it went I was on my own had to refit it live I got slightly wet 😩
Hi Mark I've been using press fit for about 10 years commercially. Either a cross on the fitting to prove its pressed or as you sed the geberit fittings with the plastic ring on. Also have noticed that sometimes the o ring isn't sat properly and can pop out when pushing the copper in.
Ayup mark , when I was pipe fitting on site we used mapress all the time , we got a roasting if we didn't put an x with a marker pen on each joint as we did them
Well that was very stressful for you Mark and also very interesting on how easy it is to forget to do a pressfit fitting. Personally I’m not keen on them as you don’t have a visual indication to show you it’s been done, like a soldered joint 🙂. I almost choked on my beer when all that water gushed out 😂 Great video 👍
Hi Mark, what a nightmare that must have been for you, as you say user error, just a slight change to your pressing routine will solve the problem. As others say, just mark the joint when you have pressed it and double check all are marked before you turn the water back on. It might also be worth double checking the rubber O ring is in situ before assembling the joint, belt and braces etc. it’s not a reason to avoid using pressfit, just part of the learning curve. Looks like a nice job and I look forward to the next episode, have a great week and take care especially with that press gun 😅, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍
What a nightmare Mark. But well rescued in the end mate !. When the jaws close fully close and crimp the fittings, the jaws leave small witness marks on the copper fitting, made by the jaws. No witness marks and its not done, is an easy check. The original plumber has used a wood beaver to chop away the end of that wooden joist, in order to get that that 4" soil stack / foul waste pipe in place. I would like to think that the original plumber had bolted that now weakened joist back to the retaining wall after removing that much strength from it ?. But I doubt it.
I always put a cross with a sharpie " you lost yours " on all the fittings as I press them, also as for marking your pipe depth against the fitting, you should use a depth gauge to mark it first before inserting the pipe and not rely on just putting the pipe in and marking it, who knows if the pipes gone in all the way! the fitting might be squashed in the middle, Geberit do them they can be used for 15mm to 110mm and the marker pen comes with them
We had all new pipework done at the school where I work, the guys who was doing the works, was putting a x on each one they press fitted with a sharpie, I was saying wouldn’t like one of those 4” ones to blow 😂
When you connect into the soil pipe so close to the toilet, does this cause smells to come up through the shower waste? I just wanted to ask because I’m building an en-suite and I was wondering where to connect all the waste pipes into the soil.
Quick question, for which i cant find an answer online. Is there any diffrence between the orange drainage tees/90 deg eblows vs grey ones used for soil pipes. Both are 110mm so will fit a soil stack but dont want to end up using the drainage type ones if they are somehow diffrent
Whenever there's a leak on any type of pressed fittings with 0-rings that were not pressed properly, always check 0-rings before installing them again. It's a quite common thing that these little rubber buggers get washed away by the water pressure. Otherwise it's a great , infallible system. You could also try marking pressed fittings with a marker. One press, one marking. It may seem excessive, but the extra time you spend marking pays for itself. One error with a T-fitting and you're loosing a lot of money.
I love seeing this happen not because of damage or stress but it happens to the pro’s A lot of people would have edited this video You’ve gained a subscriber for your transparent 👍🏻👌👌
I’m a qualified plumber and gas fitter looking at getting Ito press, my favourite it the FFS muttered When the fitting drips, I have many of those moments my friend, like the true videos…..
take your marker that you used as per instructions to mark the pipe for the fitting and once you have pressed the fitting strike a line across the joint you pressed BEFORE filling up check every press has said strike
Please watch this to the end to see exactly what happened👍🏼👍🏼
And get subscribed… let’s see if this video can get us to 30k subs
I’ve been doing a lot of crimp recently, the way I do it, put a mark in sharpie on each fitting as you crimp it.
It's Michaels grandson I probably will subbie
MJ excellent videos ! I ve been using Viega press since 2009 you can feel each fitting and feel if your tool has pressed or not before turning the water back on the very first time I used the tool to install a hot water cylinder I had one joint not pressed and I was able to simply press the fitting with the water on. I ve even pressed lever valves on when the house main wouldn’t completely shut off. Undoubtedly I am crazy about making witnesses marks before pressing so I can go back over to make sure everything is fully Inserted before and after pressing the fittings. All this being said tho I do wonder sometime is it really worth it all I mean with just my truck I ve spent around $7k on the tool , jaws, and the ring adapters for pressing at tight spots or at walls and floors etc. I also have the jaws to press iron pipe from 1/2” thru 2” in the states they have pulled out of copper gas fittings but is it all worth it in the end really? In some situations definitely cutting and treading steel YES but installing or REPAIRING copper pipe it really depends. I also feel like the copper fitting manufacture are pushing the prices of solder fittings up to be closer to press since 2020. Anyhow love the vids keep ‘em coming Just some of a plumbers thoughts on a Saturday night!
Hats off to you for showing that, while not only proving you're human, but pointing out why it happened.
Must admit that my first plumbing attempt using compression fittings, I turned water back on full power and immediately heard that dreaded hiss as it cascaded out of my bad job. After that, I always turn water on very slowly and check........ just in case!
marking marking marking marking😅😅😅😅
Fellow plumber here, been thinking of going flame free but you have just convinced me to stay with my trusty blow torch. Those fittings are a fortune as well. Love the videos m8.
Pros and cons for each to be fair
My friend, flame free id not a necessity if you have a little common sense. I prefer soldering over press fittings because there no rubber O-rings that can fail over time and PEX fittings because of the same reason: no rubber
Wouldn’t have me using those nothing wrong with solder and a blow torch
I have seen plenty of soldering fittings from 30+ years old that were loose. So a rubber or soldering, over time everything can go bad. Two reasons I choose for press fittings. It is a lot quicker and you don't have to work with an open flame so there is no chance of a fire. And trust me this happens more than people think.
Only thing with press fittings is they became ridiculous expensive in the last three years.
It’s much easier to remake a soldered joint or the old style compression joints with olives
I put this new type of fitting into the same category as keyless entry and electric parking brakes on cars.
respect for your honesty,however i'm not a plumber but a diy,er ,and this is exactly why i don't pay tradesmen anymore.
when i took my en suite out to do a refit,i cant believe the shite he'd done.not all tradesmaen are created equal,but DIY for me forever from now on.cheers mate.ALSO , what enables and helps me to do my own diy is exactly youtube videos like this one,like i said , thanks again
I hear where you’re coming from mate….. and fair play to you for getting stuck in👍🏼
Bore off you yuppy loser
Thanks for that, Mark. You could have edited that out and nobody would have been any the wiser … but then nobody would have been any the wiser. Having spent most of today reminding myself why I’m not a plumber, it’s refreshing to see even the pros make mistakes - and the best ones are the ones who admit it.
That’s the whole point of the channel…. To show “Real World Plumbing”…..
This is what happens now and again…… 👍🏼👍🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing Mate I dread to think the damage a fitting failing could do in a wall of under the floor I imagine you capped that and ran down stairs in 30 seconds mains pressure is scary stuff lol.
Hi its Michaels grandson again me and my grandad are trade plumbers hahahaha
Good job you could test it
best ones solder the copper
Well done Mark. Top marks to you for having pride in your work. We are only human. You are nice enough to share so we can all learn.
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
Hi Mark, Great video as usual. I always put a cross on each side of every fitting once we have pressed it, also helps to draw round the pipe once inserted when you have pushed them together so you can see if the copper ever slips back before pressing.
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@@MJTiffPlumbing I do this as well, just a little X on each side of the fitting, bit more work but helps you see at a glance if youve done it or not, we've all been there 👍
Your supposed to put a cross next to a pressed fitting and your initial , we have been using press for years now but it took a lot of convincing , but it does work out expensive if you have to cut it all out, like Mark press can fail but it is a learning curve... I drilled through a water main twice in 1 day it happens lol.
What a faff sorry guy's I'll stick with my much cheaper bullet proof easier to install end feed
I enjoy watching your videos. I'm a plumber in America, and I'm always interested in the way other countries do plumbing. Nice work.
Hey buddy… glad you like the content.
I would love to come over and do some plumbing in the US 👌🏼👌🏼
Man... You are the star. Watching you because of your honest approach to the job. No one is perfect and if someone is telling you the other way just run away. Great job as usual.
Thankyou mate, Appriciate the comment…. It’s always Real World Plumbing on my channel👍🏼👍🏼
Real world plumbing, these things happen this is why I like watching your channel Mark. It shows how to rectify issues when they need sorting, keep the good work coming.
Thanks buddy…. Exactly what it’s all about…. Real World Plumbing
Respect to you for showing that human error. Just finished a bathroom and ended up having to replace the kitchen ceiling. Keep up the great work.
Real world plumbing
That's the mini nightmare we all dread, especially when you're in the house on your own and you've got to get to the stop tap. Thanks for showing it all. I had a rad blow when i was giving the system a flush and black sludge went everywhere. Sh1t happens, it's how you deal with it. Well done Mark. I can see how the press fit is tricky to be sure you've pressed them all.Cheers for the honest vid.
100% that buddy….. it’s how you deal with it👌🏼👌🏼👍🏼
Not a big fan of pressfit anyway.
Well done for showing that mark. We always put an 'x' in Sharpie on either side of the press as a witness mark or I prefer to use the gerberit fittings so you can easily see when you have pressed them.
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No matter how careful anyone is with making sure there's no leak , as sure as eggs are eggs ,if its wants to leak ,it will leak . I've had it where I've soldered a fitting and it looks water tight ,but the blighter shows me otherwise,or it just takes that split time where you get distracted.
I've even had an occurrence where I didn't solder a joint and it held for a while.
After 45 years in the industry anyone who says they never get a leak is a liar .
I watched it a when it blew I felt myself panicking, it's not a good feeling.
As you say it's " real world plumbing" and brought it home.
Great save there on your part .
And yes,I have finally subscribed.because what you show is all real and none of this " click bait "
Thank you for all you do !
Exactly all of that mate 👍🏼👍🏼
And that's why you check all fittings before the flooring goes down. I was talking to conex and he said the v fittings will weep if not pressed up to 6 bar. I never want to find out if that's true. Great video #realworld 👍👍
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I think it’s great that you’re showing even the pros are only
Human and make mistakes. Handled it really well too. Great video
Thanks mate…. We all make mistakes, it’s how you deal with them that counts.
Real World Plumbing on my channel, when it goes right and wrong… we are all human👍🏼👍🏼
What happens if you press a joint ‘twice’ would it matter? Can you not just double check each joint with your hands before turning the water on like you would with push fit? Seems simple to me but I might be wrong?
Officially if you press a joint twice it’s warranty is void
Although I've always thought the Geberit fittings are not good for the environment with their plastic caps and plastic wraps at least you can see what has been pressed and what hasn't. Big fan of pressfit great for leaks and in roofs. Great videos keep up the good work 👏
Thanks mate…. Yep, the covers that break when it’s pressed are very handy
ive been in the game 36yrs and yes we all have dodgy days,ive seen solder joints never solderd and have stayed tight just with the flux, however ive never been convinced of any push fit or the press fit crap, age old problem of a bit of rubber with a hole causing a lifetime of grief or till they leave home, on a serious note i had a bag of 15mm end feed elbows with pin holes in , lucky for me i felt sometimg on the back of my hand , couldnt see the fine jet of water and was very lucky as it was going to be under a very expensive floor for many years, no comment from the supplier or manufacture when i ranted at the merchants.
Always something to keep you on your toes
For anyone that is in a hurry: It's user error. Pressfittings don't fail when installed correctly. We use these for over 30 years almost exclusively in germany.
They are prone to user error however. That's why producers like Viega have instructions on how to install them. You have to mark the insertion depths and you have to mark already pressed fittings.
Doing that gives you a perfect track record.
**ALWAYS DOUBLE-CHECK EACH AND EVERY SINGLE CONNECTION.**
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Then why not using multilayer pipe with press fittings?pex-al-pex..those dont leak,and much easier to install and press...
Hi Mark, love your video’s, if your use the fitting without the plastic tell tails after pressing a permanent marker little X marks the spot
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Hi Mark, As you say, "It is what it is"! we've all done it! even done it with soldered joints. Lesson learned there then " REAL WORLD PLUMBING"! Great honest video.
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It’s nice to see a plumber showing the bad bits too. I always use Giberit fittings as like you said you have the plastic on the collar of the fittings to confirm if it’s pressed.
Thanks mate…… Real World Plumbing here😉👍🏼
I always mark the fitting using a green marker pen to confirm it’s been done ✅ well done for showing how some days just don’t go to plan, which is all part of the job !!! Keep up the good work 😊
Thanks buddy….. real world plumbing
agree put green marker on a piece of string so it does not get lost
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How long will you keep that up when you're tired, have a lack of time...maybe you have more discipline than I do
@@MJTiffPlumbinghow do I contact you?
That was really informative Mark. Thank you. Maybe mark the pipes after pressing?? I do that when leak checking Industrial gases
Thanks mate… and yep moving forward I will do👌🏼👍🏼
Class act Mark for showing the good and bad bits of real world plumbing 👏👏
Thanks buddy 🙌🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I would use them in a thatched loft else it's always end feed for me, unless it's impossible to get all the water out. I'm old school but well practiced in soldering.
Great videos though Mark, it takes guts to show failures, many only show where it goes well even though everyone has the odd problem.
Thanks mate….. just showing exactly how are days are, good and bad
I met a plumber who put a mark on every joint he had pressed he used a black maker so you can see it very clearly I have done that ever since work like a charme just tape the cap of the marker on the Milwaukee press and you will always have a marker with you. Greetings from Belgium.
👍🏼👍🏼 yep I’m going to be doing that
The o ring falling out whilst dealing with the leak was unlucky, should get into the habit of marking a cross on the fitting ends after each crimp you do, saves any seconding guessing 👍
Yep…. Still learning with the press game
Yea I carry a few sharpies for that very reason
Top work mark it takes a honest person to show a mistake fairly play they look like the gut press fittings wich don't come with any indicators once you've pressed them been caught out a few times best thing to do is put a visible pen mark after pressing hope this helps 😎👍😎👍😎👍😎👍😎👍😎👍😎👍
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In the US most have gone via the RLS and or Viega pro press fittings they seem to be much easier to determine when pressed. That being said still prefer to solder anything that that is fully covered by a floor or a ceiling. Good investigative work this experience will help avoid this kind of situation in the future.
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I always use the geberit mapress fittings which are the ones you mentioned which have the little plastic bits wrapped round which come off after you crimp it! I don’t like using any others for that reason lol
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Same, I always use the ones with the plastic on too. Maybe a paint marker built in to the press tool so it marks up the joint once you've crimped it. Get on with it Rothenberger, you can have that idea for free!
Been using Mapress for years with no problems that I know of. Best way to make sure you've crimped all the joints is to mark them with a sharpie as you go. Quick, easy, (should be) foolproof. One job I worked on we had to initial each crimp so that if there were any leaks the boss would know who to blame.
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Glad to see I am not the only one that has made this mistake. I forgot one to press two months ago. Sadly the wall was allready closed but luckily it was my own house 😅
Real world plumbing on this channel….. I show it all, not just the good bits
Great video this has happened to every plumber, at some time. I personally don't see the advantage of press fit.
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Excellent one, Mark, real-time plumbing; this restores faith in myself; when things happen, sometimes I beat myself up.
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Great video and fair play to you for the full disclosure and as you say its real world plumbing and for me (as a DIY'er) its nice to know even the professionals have off days! I don't know much about these fittings but I assume that the diameter of a pressed and unpressed joint are different and I was wondering if it would be possible to get a metal block made up with a gap equivalent to the 'pressed' dia so that you could check each joint before restoring the water supply. I bit like a Go/NOGo gauge commonly used within the engineering industry.
Would add so much time to any job it wouldn’t be worth it… just mark the joint when done is the one
I've forgot to clamp pex a couple of times. Water everywhere. I've also come across a situation where a CPVC joint had not been glued. It was just shoved together. And it held for 23 years until a bathroom remodel found it. I'd rather have a uncrimped connection blow right away as opposed to covering it up under a floor and then having it pop loose weeks, months later. At least you were there to shut things down quick!
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Hi, good honest video. I have been pressing copper and MLCP for 15 years - use Geberit fittings - they have a thin plastic layer around the fitting that falls off (with a little help) after it has been pressed, either that or use a Sharpie to mark the fitting. Also, as with push fit, always mark the depth, these fittings can move when being pressed and move off the pipe. Geberit supply a depth marking tool with there press guns. There is nothing worse than wondering if the pipe pulled out a little, best to know for sure.
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Ace video Mark real world plumbing as you say these things happen and thanks for leaving it in, I once jigsawed through a live mains cold pipe (im a diy'er) that feeling knowing you have to leave it to run downstairs to switch the mains off 😂, we do a lot of offsite pipework so mark the fittings once pressed
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I did a course with geberit and there fitting seal with the crimp only the on o'ring is there as a backup incase the crimp fails worth checking if the fitting you use are the same
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Wow... great video with the pressfit, good tip whith making sure you check the pressfit fitting.
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Very pressing situation kid, loved how you flew up the stairs the second time lol.
Hahah thanks mate
It is very kind of you being honest, this will remind everyone that it could happen, and pay attention, or use a marker or blue tape
Thanks mate
Great video, I'm still not sure about using press fit, like you said least with solder you can see if it's been done.
If I'm working my own and I'm turning the water back on, I'll turn it on and let the pressure build up then turn it off again and check the pipework for leaks, if it's all OK then I'll turn the water on again and leave it on.
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Great intro.. No manky old towel underneath. Asking for trouble 😂
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What pressfit fittings did you use, I use pegler xpress. Once you’ve pressed it you get a point on the fittings that raises so you can feel the fitting and feel for the point if that makes sense.
Yep I use Peglar aswell…… I just didn’t press it and forgot🤣
Thanks for video. Very good lessons in one video for everyone who works with press fittings. I didn’t even expect this rubber ring can come out. I have same press tool and some one tells me it must be calibrated with time otherwise it pressing badly and joints leaking
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it
Very nice hard work loved the vid, may I ask why you use pushfits for general joints? Usually i keep them only for exceptions where i cant get to with a permanent fitting
Thanks mate…..
This job was spec’d in pushfit where not seen 👍🏼👍🏼
Interesting video Mark good job you had that cap to use otherwise it would of been another plastered ceiling. I agree there should be a better way of checking if you have pressed the fitting. Have a good week. 👍
Thanks mate 👍🏼👍🏼
Always have a cap near 🤣
I worked for a company that did some National Trust work, no hot works or push fit/plastic allowed, odd bit for cosmetic or to overcome access issues was soldered in the van! Out of interest I did some destruction tests on a few joints and found with a bit of a wobble you can just pull out the press fit!
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I found this on Wednesbury tube it moves in the fitting,Lawton tube is much better Wednesbury is skimping on outside diameter.
Great video Mark, I love a good old snatch movie!!! I've got the same gun as you an mine leaves a witness mark on the fitting after its pressed, not sure if thats normal but does help as you can feel it, I also give the fittings a tug test and check them prior to pressing as I found a small stone behind the O ring which came straight out of a new unopened bag????
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I’m interested what flexi bucket thing you used under the leaking pipe? Where can i buy one 😳
Amazon….. £10 👍🏼👍🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing cheers mate what’s it called!? Great vid!
Just put in “12litre foldable bucket” 👍🏼👍🏼
Good save with the cap and screwdriver, shite happens ! I keep a couple of speedfit caps of various sizes in my bag for such panics. Props for not editing out.
Gotta show it as it really is🙌🏼🙌🏼👌🏼
Hat's off to you mate. Something I remember the old boys telling me when I was an apprentice, 36 years ago, "he who aint made a mistake, aint made nothing".
Maybe just use a marker on each joint to confirm it's pressed. Something like that might do.
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Real world Mark 👍Happens to us all it's just whether your man enough to admit it & you truly are 👌I went to do a cloakroom strip out & blank off yesterday & ended getting up more involved than my quote which resulted in a call back to a waste remodel that was weeping but i didn't hide from it
It’s what this channel is all about… Real World Plumbing… showing it all🙏🏼🙏🏼👍🏼
Can you not wiggle all the pipe work before turning the water on or are they a tight fit before pressing.
The pipework was all pretty tight to be honest… don’t think it would show
Oh God this wasnt good for my hot flushes 😂😂😂
Reminded me of the time I cut the wrong pipe and blasted black radiator sludge all over a cream carpet 😮😢
Well done Mark I bet you could not wait to get home, Just Another Manic Monday!
Black sludge…. Nasty nasty nasty
Easy after the event but perhaps fit some full bore isolation valves at the beginning .. easier if you have no one to turn the stopcock on for you . Plus if the customer is home they have their water back on whilst you do the work . Good video on press fit as I’m considering getting one - Thanks
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Here is the argument for PEX A/Uponor lol
But when I was training at a plumbing company years ago we were taught to either check for the teat created by the jaws of the press tool or mark the joints with a marker.
Nevertheless the less great video and keep up the work!
Thanks buddy👍🏼👍🏼
I'm long retired mate but I can imagine how difficult it would be to keep track of all those joints. I think I'd be inclined to just put a mark with a felt tip on each joint as I did it. I'm surprised they haven't built something in to the tool to do that.
Yep I will be in future I think mate 👍🏼👍🏼
There are fittings that have a ring around them that falls off once pressed. Viega press also marks the fitting with a small v, so you know you used the correct tool for the system.
Very helpful. The issue with those fittings seem to be two-fold - you can't tell if they've all been done up and if there's a leak you have to cut the pipework. They look smart, though!
Loving your videos, learnt a lot of yourselves and others! Regarding the soil stack going up into the loft to regulates pressure by removing it are there any real cons or replacement that wasn’t described?
My bathroom has one boxed in but I’d love to know if it can be removed to free up some more space as it’s only 3.4 sq/m
Figured out my own question, it’ll need an external soil stack venting outside rather than the roof via the loft
Thanks…… all depends if you have another vented stack??
@@MJTiffPlumbing unfortunately not just the one leading into the loft/attic had a snoop on google street view and all other neighbours with the same build have them internally like mine, I’ll probably get a confirmation from local plumbers looping a vent externally will work to code. Thanks for the response!
That fail was so valuable to share. Thank you!
Thanks mate…..
On a different note to press fittings - look at how much the original fitter carved out of that joist to fit the waste pipe & collar!
Yep 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Hi Mark. Fair play leaving that In Mark. As you say real world plumbing. Would be interesting to see what other plumbers do to remember which fittings they have pressed. I am sure you will get a system in place. Have a good week Mark 👍
Thanks mate…. Yep I’m still learning the press game to be fair, and these things happen…. So showing it could help others👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks for the lesson on possible errors coming my way I'm sure.
😉…… everyday is a school day
I’m just thinking how much cheaper it would have been to solder all of that, and you could see whether it had been soldered. I just don’t trust pressfit, or myself to remember that I’ve pressed all the ends. By the time you’ve used new fittings,cleared up and redone the work you could have resoldered any leaking joint and been done and dusted. Having used pressfit quite a bit at work, I’m so not convinced on the benefits of it over soldering.
Pros and cons to both to be honest buddy… I get what your saying👍🏼
That’s what I like about your videos, you give both sides of the argument. I work in a hospital so we are limited on the ‘hot works’ we can do, but it’s such a hassle using pressfit in a lot of the awkward spaces we have to work in. I just find myself thinking ‘it would be so much easier if I could just solder this’!!! Keep up the good work and the videos. 👍🏻
Yer, I know a few lads at my local hospital in the maintenance and they say the same👍🏼
Mark I normally just put a little tick or cross with the marker once I press each fitting works for me
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Hi there I hope that not the main vent you have done away with ?
Nope….. like I said there is another 2 in the property
I did notice you said that on your video as long it's not the end of the line drain vent you did away with, on another note I feel your pain with the press fit, I ues the map press fittings with the wrapping it does help as a reference
Hi Mark, looks like a typical Monday, if you look you can see the ones you have pressed by the crimp marks that it leaves on the fittings, sometimes the bigger fittings weep and you can put a piece of paper around it and repress it, that is as long as it has a o ring in it.
Yep….. thought I had done them all👍🏼👍🏼
The ole missing O-ring. That got me one time in a restaurant. About 140 psi blasting the whole job because I was to dumb to check for o-rings.😂
Seen loads of these press fits fail on jobs - Im not a plumber but an old school plumber told me that when you solder a joint if it doesnt leak at the time it will never leak and hes been proved right - I have been building 40 years and you can rive the soldered pipes about and I havnt seen one leak yet - sometimes you just move a pushfit and it leaks
Yep I know what you mean👍🏼
We have to put a cross on each joint after we press it on sites. Longs out the install but worth it to avoid unpressed joints..
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Good video I use a marker just do a line across pipe and fitting when it's pressed to know once tested clean off
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Well done for being up front mark I had a 22mm lever valve blow off on me when working on a unvented cylinder though it wasn’t leaking before it hd paste on it once I removed the pipe on the other end it went I was on my own had to refit it live I got slightly wet 😩
Keeps you on your toes 🤣👍🏼
Hi Mark I've been using press fit for about 10 years commercially.
Either a cross on the fitting to prove its pressed or as you sed the geberit fittings with the plastic ring on.
Also have noticed that sometimes the o ring isn't sat properly and can pop out when pushing the copper in.
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Nice transparent content bud, not going to lie my stomach went when that fitting blew off, who’d be a plumber eh?!!
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Ayup mark , when I was pipe fitting on site we used mapress all the time , we got a roasting if we didn't put an x with a marker pen on each joint as we did them
Yep I must get into the habit of that
Well that was very stressful for you Mark and also very interesting on how easy it is to forget to do a pressfit fitting. Personally I’m not keen on them as you don’t have a visual indication to show you it’s been done, like a soldered joint 🙂. I almost choked on my beer when all that water gushed out 😂 Great video 👍
Hahahaa…. Glad you enjoyed it mate
Sure you do. A pressed fitting shows obvious signs it's been pressed. I personally use a sharpie to make extra sure but they definitely look different
Hi Mark, what a nightmare that must have been for you, as you say user error, just a slight change to your pressing routine will solve the problem.
As others say, just mark the joint when you have pressed it and double check all are marked before you turn the water back on. It might also be worth double checking the rubber O ring is in situ before assembling the joint, belt and braces etc. it’s not a reason to avoid using pressfit, just part of the learning curve.
Looks like a nice job and I look forward to the next episode, have a great week and take care especially with that press gun 😅, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍
Exactly that Chris…. Complete user error on this account… press wasn’t the issue
with the price of these fitting and tooling is are there really better than solder fittings ?
There is pros and cons for both
Having watched this, please can someone tell me, what the advantage of press fit is!! Apart from the lack of hot works hazards!
Quicker
Can press when water in pipework
Cleaner to work with
Less hazardous as no fumes are emitted…
Pros and cons for both press and solder….
easily done mate. i always forget to solvent weld fittings. defo wont be using press fit id be a nightmare.
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What a nightmare Mark.
But well rescued in the end mate !.
When the jaws close fully close and crimp the fittings, the jaws leave small witness marks on the copper fitting, made by the jaws.
No witness marks and its not done, is an easy check.
The original plumber has used a wood beaver to chop away the end of that wooden joist, in order to get that that 4" soil stack / foul waste pipe in place.
I would like to think that the original plumber had bolted that now weakened joist back to the retaining wall after removing that much strength from it ?.
But I doubt it.
It would of been the original builder when the houses were built🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I always put a cross with a sharpie " you lost yours " on all the fittings as I press them, also as for marking your pipe depth against the fitting, you should use a depth gauge to mark it first before inserting the pipe and not rely on just putting the pipe in and marking it, who knows if the pipes gone in all the way! the fitting might be squashed in the middle, Geberit do them they can be used for 15mm to 110mm and the marker pen comes with them
👍🏼👍🏼 yer I’ve got to get into the habit
Question can Press-fit be pressure tested to 10bar + as soldered copper ?
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Great learning point Mark, its the type of thing that happens to everyone now and again on one of those Monday mornings. Great video buddy.👍👍👍
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We had all new pipework done at the school where I work, the guys who was doing the works, was putting a x on each one they press fitted with a sharpie, I was saying wouldn’t like one of those 4” ones to blow 😂
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I hope that the new ceiling patch survived?
Nice video Mark 👍
Hahah yep all good
When you connect into the soil pipe so close to the toilet, does this cause smells to come up through the shower waste? I just wanted to ask because I’m building an en-suite and I was wondering where to connect all the waste pipes into the soil.
Nope not an issue mate 👍🏼👍🏼
Quick question, for which i cant find an answer online. Is there any diffrence between the orange drainage tees/90 deg eblows vs grey ones used for soil pipes. Both are 110mm so will fit a soil stack but dont want to end up using the drainage type ones if they are somehow diffrent
Orange is for underground so it’s a visible difference
Thought about investing in the same kit, but thought it was too expensive and bulky. Perhaps adding a Sharpie to your kit, press, mark, done.👍
There is always the new Pressit-uk deal with a monthly rental on it
It’s great. Thanks Mark
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Great video pal, you was making me nervous cutting that fitting open, could just see you cutting straight through your hand
Hahaha……. That would of been content gold🤣
I've done that...managed to go through my thumb nail..luckily stopped just as it went through the nail though. My arse was twitching after 😂😂
Whenever there's a leak on any type of pressed fittings with 0-rings that were not pressed properly, always check 0-rings before installing them again. It's a quite common thing that these little rubber buggers get washed away by the water pressure. Otherwise it's a great , infallible system.
You could also try marking pressed fittings with a marker. One press, one marking. It may seem excessive, but the extra time you spend marking pays for itself. One error with a T-fitting and you're loosing a lot of money.
I love seeing this happen not because of damage or stress but it happens to the pro’s
A lot of people would have edited this video
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Thanks buddy…. It’s what this channel is all about, when it goes right and wrong..
“Real World Plumbing”……😉
I wonder how many fittings have no o ring in from the shop. Btw I used one of the tile drills you recommended from eBay. Spot on!👍
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I’m a qualified plumber and gas fitter looking at getting Ito press, my favourite it the FFS muttered When the fitting drips, I have many of those moments my friend, like the true videos…..
Hahaaha I know the “ffs” mumble 🤣🤣
take your marker that you used as per instructions to mark the pipe for the fitting and once you have pressed the fitting strike a line across the joint you pressed BEFORE filling up check every press has said strike
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Every day is a school day
Love your video's
Thanks mate….. it’s all about sharing the tips and tricks
Always mark your press fittings! a must do in my company
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