Season of Discovery: Is This $25 Addon Worth it? - SoD Phase 3
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- There's a new addon coming to WoW Season of Discovery and it's safe to say that everyone has an opinion, some think something like this shouldn't be behind a paywall while others believe the addon breaks Blizzard's ToS, but, is it worth it? Let's talk about that!
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Chapters:
0:00 - 1:06 ToS Concerns
1:06 - 2:31 Features of the Archon Tooltip Addon
2:31 - 3:34 This addon costs money!?
3:34 - 6:36 Similar addons for sod
6:36 - 7:05 Solutions
7:05 - 8:33 Is It Worth It?
#wowseasonofdiscoveryaddon #sodphase3 - Ігри
Would you play a version of Classic that has zero addons?
Yes 100%
I did in 2004
@@faksen9619 id love to see it. wonder if blizz would ever go for it. would make hardcore absolutely TERRIFYING lmao
yeah, if it's fair and no one has them
I'd miss some stuff but working around it would be part of the fun. like counting mana/energy ticks mentally or keeping track of mana while in druid forms from memory or gathering resources by paying attention to the zone
@@brandonwilson4740 was probably really nice..wish they had just gone all in on no addons in 2004. of course it made no sense to push away players even if they didn't love addons. now things feel way different than 2004
This is a very interesting situation. I feel like most people forget parsing isn't the tell all sign of if a player is good or bad. It can definitely weed out the very low performing players, but can feel toxic trying to find your way into a decent pug on a fresh alt or character that runs with an underperforming raid. Often, doing the proper mechanics or performing a hybrid role (dispelling, off-healing, off-tanking, etc.) will net you a worse parse than if you were able to pump dps for 100% uptime. This rewards the player selfishly pushing for maximum damage rather than playing for the success of the boss encounter. One of the largest factors not in our control is how much dps our raid is doing and how fast the boss is dying. If person A kills a boss in 30 seconds vs person B who kills it in 60 seconds, person A will likely parse better due to higher buff uptime.
With all of that said, what type of person would even pay for an addon like this? Most likely a raid leader who is already checking logs in his pug raids. So as much as I want to say this will be used in a toxic manner, most pug raid leaders won't even be using this addon. They will continue either checking Warcraft Logs manually or not checking logs at all. Ultimately, I don't think this addon will be a positive thing for the game and shouldn't exist. The fact it cost money is a whole other topic, but Blizzard seems to let these addon developers stay afloat through the loopholes.
It's a great point that for most classes/specs doing your role optimally does NOT result in a 100 parse. This addon is pushing everyone to end up wanting to maximize their damage over ANYthing else.
The point on if your is weaker your parse is worse - this feels like such a major point of parsing and I don't understand why there isn't some metric to factor in kill time better. End result is going to push players away from pugs / helping people imo.
I agree that the addon / culture around it is not a net positive for the game. But I do fear addons are too engrained in the culture at this point
this addon is not useful for guild raids. its only useful for pugging. and it gonna kill the pugging scene
it's minorly useful for raid recruitment but i agree it's mainly a pug tool. though (horror show here) it could start to go further..if you have everyone linking their alts you could see who has raid experience and pick and choose for even low level dungeons..any piece of content
Does't change anyting. Only usefull when you dont have 2 monitor i guess. Paying for that addons is stupid for sure.
You think that raid leaders aren't already checking logs before inviting pugs? This just allows you to skip the process of alt tabbing to ghe site.
How many will invest 25$ to not have to open a browser page while afking in org filling their pugs, like 5 10% max will use it out of which less than half pug
warcraft logs should not be able to read my characters logs for people who want to go play parse go ahead but characters should not be visible untill they choose too.
i think this addon is horrible and it will deathspiral this game even more.
i like that take. dota ended up going that direction. if you don't want public logs why should you have to have them? there might end up being a stigma around it, but i'd imagine the very top players would also private their logs, so it'd even out
I saw you yesterday trying to get DMF buff in Elwynn while I was skinning boars for light leather. Thought it was funny cuz I watch your videos all the time. It's cool seeing a youtuber in the wild.
i was getting destroyed lmao never ended up getting the buff. alas..i was pretty salty at the time lol
Sod Doesn't need any more ways for people that gate keep
true i agree, we need to be growing this community together not fragmenting apart
Was considering coming back to SoD, but won't now. I'm on team remove combat logs from addons.
yoo i wouldnt make this the dealbreaker, probably less than 50 players are paying for the $25/month package right now so barely anyone has access to this. maybe it doesn't come out, who knows
@@NOHITJEROME For me the deal breaker is that Blizzard would allow any of this to happen. My guild fell apart in WotLK when they introduced the WoW token. Probably had 25 core raiders quit the game. I think it is fine for these guys to make the addon and for the players to use the addon. The problem for me is that Blizzard doesn't care about policing its own game. If I was a developer I would view this a deterrent to new and returning players. If they are okay with this then to me it means they are okay with having a lower population of players as long as they make more money on those players.
this archon add-on is the equivalent of "let me see the size of your junk... whether you like it or not. and we'll point and laugh if it's small."
honestly though in the end people are gonna do what wanna do so I think a good middle ground would be to so only those that have the add-on can see each others info. but then that means people will just auto assume that if you dont have it, you're probably hiding bad parses and good for them imo, parses arent not the end all be all of a players skill level
your suggestion is good where you force ppl to have the addon or alternatively an easy way to disable your parses from showing up on wcl in the first place like an anonymous mode.
so the thing that everyone hated in phase two has become more accessible
great , let the toxicity spread like wildfire
the thing that got shut down in phase 2 is now back..and more accessible..and everyone will be using it. its tacotip but for parses
@@NOHITJEROME yes this is literally what i just said rofl
Considering parsing really only matters for pugging yeah this is gonna absolutely destroy the pug community
there will also be repercussions in p4 - ie you go to do stratholme and don't have any parses? they'll just move on to the next guy
I disagree with this take. I've never been in a guild that benches their 90+ parsers. The again, we already see our guildies logs, but this just makes it more accessible, especially for new recruits who might have been given a chance before.
@@NOHITJEROME tbf if u cant even purple parse for ilvl u dont know your class
@@ChainSmokinWithMom that's true but back in 2019 i didnt know warrior and after a few videos and a lenient guild that didnt instantly gkick me i was in the 80s in a few weeks. any new player can get there if given the chance
I'll be honest, I have never met an atleast decent player that disliked parsing. It doesn't take a lot to be good in ST, so if you consistently parse green or grey I dunno what to tell you. Idc about the addon, all it does is saving a couple seconds per character pug leader was gonna inspect anyway.
ok fair point M T - blizzard clearly realizes this too - players that try to compete and improve themselves have more fun and play more. only exception being healers..as a healer i despise parsing and anyone that takes extra damage because of their parse lol
- as for the addon, i do see this taking things up a level ie getting gatekept from stratholme because your mc parse is bad
People forget that % is relative. You might have no problem getting groups right now, if you're top 80%, but what happens when 50% of the population below you quit because they are being excluded from groups. "...Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me."
This is a slow downward spiral and it will affect everyone.
what is the difference between this and me typing in a name on the website?
what is the difference between this and linking AOTC?
what is the difference between this and making ppl come to org for a gear check?
it always has and will be a thing in this game
@@qk-tb2df I think it adds a default layer by which to judge the value of another player that isn't currently (and shouldn't be) there. Imagine if Facebook decided to add your credit score to your profile. It's like that.
It’s true, exact thing happened with games like dota. Imagine in p4 half the players so you get excluded from a dire maul group
@@qk-tb2dfit’s always a thing but making gatekeeping as easy as possible is probably not ideal
@@CardBoredB0xyeah and you could arguably look up that score with the time and resources. But there’s definitely a difference just having it on your profile
I don’t understand the drama with this addon it just makes it so I don’t have to tab out of game to check logs. I’m not paying $25 for it, maybe
it 100% is a proxy for the log meta hate. already pug leaders look up parses unless they are desperate to fill a role. the only real change here is that now the logs hit you in the face, ie you are looking for someone in p4 for strat and their parses are gray? you might think twice. which is kind of toxic
Add-ons that make the game worse IMO: DBM gtfo weakauras raider IO and anything similiar.
Just think about it the devs make content with those tools in mind so it is not optional it is mandatory at the hoghest difficulty at least in Retail but that's where classic is heading
fully agree on that, hate playing raids that feel designed around the addons. GTFO is the worst one honestly. makes the raids mindless and means you get flamed and gkicked if you die in the fire once...(which is very easy to do without such addons)
It's time to a classic addons ban server , to see how long this " meta pro-players " can play
let's see it, i'd love to see a weekend with no addons. just a nice test
The data isn’t how it’s against tos. The price is how it’s against tos. You can’t charge for addons according to tos but blizzard isn’t enforcing it at all
yeah that's a great point that i figured out at the end of the video - only thing i could find that gave some info was archon (wcl) saying that it's in alpha and once it's out of alpha they'll make it free. so maybe their entire strategy is to wait for blizz to complain and then make it free.
i always think about your reverse beard recording strategy when making videos..going to grow out a beard just to replicate this its going to be our secret
@@NOHITJEROME its probably something they (blizzard) won't do because addons like zygor have already been doing it and getting off scott free, when they SHOULD be getting shut down on the spot
As if it wasn't hard enough to get into raid groups in SoD. Game killer right here
gatekeeping + classic is a time honored tradition. i just got grief camped for 2 hours at darkmoon faire..it is in our DNA .. (lol)
Any game designer with half a brain would make efforts to remove these types of 3rd party modifications as they create an environment that discourages new players from interacting with the older players and in so doing will create a massive social barrier for a major piece of endgame content. Such a shame honestly.
This addon will 100% be coming to Cata classic.
i agree it feels like things are going too far, it will push new players to not raid. and i do also think it will come to cata, probably within the next month. but it might be too hard to remove addons entirely at this point, and it's hard to single this out specifically if it doesn't break tos
Bro ppl are making too big a deal from this. Parses are already visible on Warcraft logs, anyone can look them up for free.
it's true but nobody was looking up WCL for say a stratholme group were they? now that might be a thing that gets gatekept
Imo i think addons are taking away from the player skill rather then adding to it. Look at retails players, their screen is 80% weakaura and 20% looking at the ground.
hmmmm...i don't disagree. addon-less week one raids on SoD have been epic. i feel like i legitimately get worse at the game as the phase goes on and the weakauras emerge lol
Blizzard makes raids to only be able to be completed with addons for retail that’s a blizzard and dev problem - not community
Because alot of stuff happens on retail. Classic legit has no mechanics whatsoever. I play pretty bear too even on retail you dont need those crazy addons its just whatever helps u play better.
@@L1nktaro ima be honest you are right on this because even cata has so many mechanics you basically need WAs. what you get in classic though is (semi reliable) timers and alerts on things to make killing bosses mindless. lets you focus more on pure damage which is more fun than mechanics (for most people imo)
Pretty much a Retail player, but SoD is really getting out of hand haha. The casual crowd is going to suffer greatly from stuff like this. Especially since raids are very accessible and made easy for everyone to enjoy. But I doubt a lot of people will shell out $25 or €25
25$? LOL.
There is a free analogue, ParseScore, and it's totally free. The only difference you need to update it manually.
They are likely going to dmca parsescore
imma use it bc i want to be the best in the world so therefore i wanna play with other people that are also the best in the world
if you aren't a parse culture type of person, just dont get the addon? i dont really see what the issue is, its not like nonparsers even upload their parses to begin with, which is required to even show up on WCL
I guess if someone else parses a raid they're in and they do poorly that could make them look stinky to pug leaders, which is unfortunate-- so in my opinion, the healthy compromise would be to allow people to opt into an 'anonymous mode' as has been discussed in other comments, but otherwise allow the addon to exist for those who want to have it
I get that you want to play with other good players. That’s great. I think there’s an undercurrent here when people get upset about this. The unspoken idea being that good players should welcome in new players and help them. This addon will divide players more instead
I would never pay for this… you won’t ever see me paying for rested XD either. I’d rather buy an instore mount than pay for an add on, addons are not supposed to be locked behind paywalls.
honorable...i can respect it. do you see blizzard doing anything to get rid of these paid loopholes in the future>?
I don’t know what they would do but as Asmon showed it’s clearly outlined that you’re not allowed to charge for addons. I would not want to play without addons though even if just cosmetic I prefer to not use the default ui that Blizzard has but it can be annoying when something you enjoy like questie doesn’t work properly (like right now in cata prepatch). I’m also a huge fan of vuhdo and other healer addons.
the 25 dollar cost is so wrong
yeah 25 dollars and they know someone will pay it. unless you are like the family memeber of the WCL people i don't understand supporting with $25. twitch subs aren't even that much lol
Classic with no addons I love to see that
Brother Jerome! I just want to say yea man I definitely understand your POVs on this. TBH I do think I stand on the side against it currently. I feel like I have always enjoyed parsing and the community of it. However, I understand why people do not like this for the health of SOD in general and how addons are something Blizzard should just handle themselves, instead of relying on 3rd party services. I truly don't mind checking logs as a side thing to do, (even though people have there ways of going about it or what they feel on it), compared to having something folks are paying for on top of the Sub itself.
I already made some stuff on this today myself but just wanted to stop on bye and throw my support to ya, LOCK IT IN 🔒
yooo jtello, thanks for your 2 cents, for the health of sod i do wonder if this parsing focus is the best approach, and also I agree - i feel like i really would prefer if blizzard handled everything.
random tangent: addons like gtfo for example making fire mechanics trivial annoy me to no end. because then blizz gets away with making the fire barely noticeable on the ground lol
I'll only ever do no addons if blizz adds UI features to move action bars and customize. The only addon I NEED.
And FK CASH SHOP IN SOD.
ya they have to add some features in by default or they can't remove addons. also..is cash shop coming to sod? i hope only cata
not a chance I'd pay for this, I don't even pay for wow, I just use gold to buy tokens.
selling addons is agains TOS but whatever
Blizzard not enforcing - I wonder what paid addons we could make lol
Sod is dying.
it's a cycle, i see sod rising again in p4 most likely
All addons that involve info on others players in game need to b full on banned permanently
RestedXp, Fojii Weakaura packs. These both are still paid addons that make levelling and raiding an unskilled and mindless feat. I think Archon isn't good for the game, I'm not worried personally as I frequently use my logs to get into great raids and speedruns, but on the other hand I do enjoy playing with weaker players and helping them get through content too, so I think overall this is a negative for the community and adds to the elitism and segregation. I also think it will keep a paid model even if the base version becomes free and Blizz will have no justifiable way to ban it as it doesn't go against and agreements any more than other addons already have. The only way this dies is if the community boycotts it.
I agree that these paid packs are making the game easier in not so good ways, particularly raiding WAs. I just far prefer the launch week with no weakauras or timers. The second the timers get added the experience gets worse. Good overall take spicy, I think this is a negative for the community but like you it won't affect me much since I play the parse game and rig it in my favor (ie playing with high dps groups).
Good tool to help out pugging no shows, parsing is extremely easy if you put in little bit of effort and i want all my raiders to put in the effort
it's a fair take litti, the counterpoint is: you are now FORCING effort on the entire community. will anyone be able to raid for fun anymore?
I had someone that said it's easy to 90 parse. Like u have to be a 10% player to even be considered puggable
eh i dont even care about parses anymore unless its like cata or retail maybe high level raiding, SoD isnt even hard enough to necessitate it honestly and just adds to the toxic community imo.
fair play alex cobert, to me this addon is a nightmare for you though if you don't care about parses. pugs will start checking with this addon, even dungeon groups. it just forces its way into the game
blizzard needs to putt a end to the logging systems! its supports toxic behavior forces high standards on the normal player, and ruins the overall fun of the game. raid leaders and raid makers can just use Details/recount to see whos doing dps/healing/dmg taken without "DOING toxic background checks to block the avg joe" or blizzard give players the opt to block data to addons
the logging systems definitely support toxic behavior. the counterpoint is that "forcing high standards" means players play more as a result and are more driven to dedicate time to improvement. without parses players would have to find their own reasons to improve. i like your idea of having the option to make your individual logs private. dota has that option
I think this addon is so toxic :(,i remeber similiar stuff existed when i was playing Retail and cdnt get grp to do M+ on my Frost Dk for week since i got not so good "score" ,then i quited Retail :)
yeah these addons are specifically designed to not invite players that don't meet the score criteria of the raid leader. that's pretty much the only reason
If for you such addons provoke a toxic attitude because people don't want to invite you to raid because of bad logs, you can collect your raid from the same people like you! why not?
hm i suppose that is an option, but that doesn't feel like a very good way to grow the game and get new players to learn. it just feels like you would be blocking people from playing with anyone that isn't at their level permanently
What the actual fuck. nerds need to mythic raid. How did sod become so drenched in sweat.
Comes straight from retail. The people and companies have been entrenched for years. Classic players get features and services from those people
@@NOHITJEROME “straight from retail” well go back and take the sweat rags with you. We just want 10 mans we can smash for ok gear. Damn nerds ruin gaming
Honestly I think most add ons should be banned. Exceptions being QoL ones like bagnon.
the problem is one mans ban-worthy addon is another mans essential qol addon. it becomes so grey area and blizz would have to code half the addon features themselves or buy the addons and they don't want to do any of that
#BanAllAddons
i'd love to see a test at the very least. a weekend with no addons would be sick lol
Its gonna go the way of isboxer. Too much publicity that they are charging money wow bans it.
yeah i could see that happening. difference is isboxer was on the outside. wcl is integrated into the game, it feels like (for better or worse..) it has become part of the community. they will try to leverage that
That's why SoD is a joke. Parsing in a 2004 game with outdated mechanics and EXTREMELY easy to execute is very stupid.
I think it’s encouraged by every stakeholder. If players are focused on numbers they won’t care if the content is a bit easy or slow to come out or whatecer
I’m in a guild lol, so no.
your guildies are gonna hover over you and start talking..about how great your parses look. (my dream lol)
Addon's an ass, Sod is kind of dead with p3 and incursions, so p4 better be somewhat fresh and not just some old content remaster
p3 it feels like you either do incursions or people are writing on reddit about this addon lol. either way it's not filling up the raids or the open world very much. p4 i would love to see some new raids. if they just tease out 2 new raids and slowly deliver them that'd be great, it doesn't need to be rushed
@@NOHITJEROMEcan't imagine them bringing something original looking at the last 3 phases, it will be just buffed/reworked old raids with minor/niche quests, people even called SoD Cata waiting room lol
As cool as the SoD concept was, the whole culture of gatekeeping the low level raids killed the whole experience for me. "Oh, you're not playing a meta class & dont have 95+ parse first lockout of new raid ? Good luck finding a group without a guild"
Finished my classic journey, and now I'm just going to kill time on Cata while i wait for ffxiv dawntrail release.
Honestly I’d straight up quit if I was forced to use the default hot key bars.. other add ons I could live without just not the default bars
see thats the big problem - bliz has to figure out essential addosn that would cause people to quit..nearly impossible to do that. so they just leave it
@NOHITJEROME Do you think in some way that's what they tried to do with the Dragonflight UI overhaul, though?
Fuck this shit iam out . Enjoying cata atm
Cata is getting this too no question
Lol just lol this makes me so glad I never bothered with SoD and stick to Classic / Retail, I wouldn't want to play a game where some sweated out southpark wow player killer nerd in his mom's basement gets to decide if I could progress or not. Honestly thought SoD was for shits n giggles, bliz trying to take vanilla+ back from the private servers but all they ended up doing is giving the game (SoD) to the no life toxic players.
The south park cartmans running wow now lol. It started in retail imo since parsing is the main way to keep players raiding week after week. Soon I will be cartman as well.. happens to us all
so basically raider io lol.
pretty much exactly that 1:1 lmao. but thats retail and this is classic. we felt safe here..we had no way of knowing how vulnerable we were
@@NOHITJEROME vulnrable to what? ppl that need to be carried? feel free to invite them to your group lol.
Restedexp is also paid addon and you fcn streamers made a fortune out of it, I've never heard you bragging about it
its the first thing brought up in the paid addon debate. rxp and now this. in the video i do mention the loopholes, so rxp has their "the addon itself is free" loophole. wcl has the "it's in beta" loophole. really none of these loopholes would hold up to scrutiny lol
you can pirate a free version of rested xp
I paid for rested xp and regret it 100% if you didn't do the other guides before whatever set you start you are left with 10 steps of "get stuff from bank we told you to put there in previous guides" and really kinda sucks 1-20 is perfect though
is that for cata? one thing you could do is to just keep skipping the steps with items you don't have, do RDF dungeons in between to make up for lost xp until you pass all those parts of the guide
@NOHITJEROME no for sod. I used it to 20 then bought it at 40. But found it was missing/skipping most steps and had me going to places I didn't need to go bc I didn't have all the quests or items. The incursions happened and boom I was 50 so was kinda a waste
not paying a single cent for a game addon, i dont care what it does. no thanks
The question becomes - should you have to have your game experience impacted by someone who did pay?
This is very toxic.. its gonna kill SoD. Best regards a low parser that just enjoy the game and havent wiped once at ST.
it could definitely end in a bad way. i am glad you are enjoying the game still, hopefully it won't affect you negatively
Man asmongold's opinion does not matter because he hasn't played the game seriously in like a decade
Ofc only non life should make opinion about they pais product
@@flix1179 Would my opinion matter more about fifa, someone who has never played the game, or someone who has played the game every day
there's a funny thing about that - even as i get further and further removed from other games i used to play like DOTA and runescape I still have strong takes about the games. in some ways you lose that "actively playing" mentality but in other ways you can see the big picture more clearly once you get further away
i do think even 20 years from now if i see some new runescape mode or some new runescape microtransaction i'll have a strong reaction. even if i dont play anymore
hm...in a way **not** being actively involved in a game makes it easy to give strong/aggressive takes. ie when i watched e3 back in the day and saw a bad trailer and dismissed the game instantly. now whether those takes end up being accurate is another story..
No it's not ! feeding this is making things even worse ! classing doesn't need parses and all this crap! The reason i play classic is for it to be different than retail not turning into retail ! This will ruin classic for good !
Hi nosferhatu. I see your point, it will make things worse for some players for sure. Do you have any ideas what should be done?
@@NOHITJEROME Classic was never about the elitist scene. It was about interacting with other players, wiping 20 times untill you kill the boss and being happy for finally killing it and enjoying a well deserved loot !That was the best freaking thing about pugging, the fact that you knew you open the game and get to raid without being questioned like you're applying for some god damn NASSA astronaut Mars mission.What needs to be done is : Logs should be cut out of classic , so everyone can enjoy the game , If you want a 30 min raid run with bis geared people and players that spent 23 out of 24 hours a day playing wow then make a specific guild for it and not ruin the entire classic scene.Retail people came to play classic having the retail mentality which is slowly being implemented into classic thus ruining it.Remove god damn logs ! It's a game and as in life a game also includes failures besides wins not North Korea raiding mentallity elitism bullshit.
@@nosferhatu I agree the most fun moments I had were progression raiding those first weeks and actually feeling a sense of accomplishment. Not the logs and trying to parse and getting mad because we made one mistake and lost our WBs so the whole raid is ruined..it definitely is a retail mentality that has been moved into classic.
i think it's because so many retail players were here first and they are entrenched in every aspect of the game. so naturally it becomes what they enjoy in retail. not what the avg classic person would enjoy if left to their own devices
this addon sounds HORRIBLE, like the stuff someone who doesn't get games are "fun" would come up to optimize productivity as if it was a job. I didn't even know it existed since I couldn't keep up with later classic seasons due to adult responsibilities. But this is a lot like some stuff that ruined the WoW experience back in the day going from Vanilla to Retail
hello x, it definitely attempts to maximize group leader productivity. now you can instantly decide if someone is "worth bringing" based on their parses.. i do think this will force its way onto everyones game client because the same thing happened in wrath with gearscore addons. i had one (tacotip, i assume you did as well.
hahahah 25 $ for an addon ... yeah sure u can keep it
25 is almost 2 wow subs i know lol. not paying more than the actual game
I never have and never will use garbage addons like that, it sucks the fun right out of the game in my opinion. Crash and burn.
it definitely takes some fun away. i feel like ill have to really prioritize parsing over anything in p4
At this point you guys are just doing free advertising for this addon
i did say it wasnt worth $25, i dont think anything related to wow should ever cost more than the actual subscription, it's too much
@@NOHITJEROME you don't understand the exposition effect, just by talking about it with such influence you have you are making it more popular and reaching more ppl, other content creators will do the same to get views on hot topic, job is a job, nothing wrong about it, but that's how information spread
love your content anyways :)
@@drugastronamedalu I understand Mr. Medalu, I think you are right. As a result of this video, more people will know of the addon and possibly they might use it as a result. There is also a chance if enough players are talking about the addon it might be removed or blocked by Blizzard. The snowball is rolling, who can say where it will land?
I appreciate your take, the exposition effect is very interesting either way.
25 for addon? Lol no thanks.
yeah currently would cost more than wow x2 in some countries lmao
no it's not worth and in addition it should be banned by blizzard
hmm...what about all addons? i wonder if they should be allowed at all
Worst addon created followed closely by weak auras.
@NOHITJEROME Yo, first off, that addon you're talking about in the video? Total garbage, man! That thing needs to be banned asap! And secondly, speaking of addons that tweak the visual interface: I wouldn't even consider playing WoW without those modern UI customization options, bro. That ancient 15-year-old interface is just a useless piece of outdated junk. You can only spam rotations as a warrior or rogue with it. But try enjoying the quality of that functionality as a healer, especially if you're not an old-timer who remembers the OG Warcraft days when that was groundbreaking. The default interface just ruins the whole gaming experience...
Screw this addon and WCL and these stupid tryhard addons. Stop logging. You can clear all raids with 20 parsers cause it's so easy.
Or go play Cata
i wish nobody logged, would be really cool actually. not sure when logging became the norm
Super toxic addon.
It will be used in toxic ways for sure. Gatekeeping stratholme comes to mind
If you could refrain from mentioning asmon in your videos I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
hi malicious, i know he's controversial, but that man was (still is) part of a large portion of the community every day. his conversations and takes drive much of the discourse. i would have also included more viewpoints such as staysafe, but his tweet disappeared. wcl reached out maybe? idk lol. while there are a LOT of comments out there about this addon, not alot of creators took public stands on it. it's a touchy subject I suppose
@@NOHITJEROME I think I also made the same comment, or very similar, back during the addon removal debate a while back. My main retort is that it makes you seem less reputable when you bring him up and lump yourself in with his non-sense. It really makes me feel like he's your major source for information.
I, personally, would rather you pull joe nobody from a random server and ask what they think about it over anything asmon has to say on a given topic. In this case it would have been more prescient to get feedback from the curseforge or the official wow forums or the WoWAddons Discord than just citing asmon.
Even asking addon authors over DMs would have been better in my opinion since they deal within the addon TOS on a daily basis.
There are very few things that asmon is actually knowledgeable on outside of streaming or having a general vibe on things but if those were the topic I'd accept using his opinions more as a source but wowaddons are not in his wheelhouse.
I'd beg to say that my opinion, since I'm an addon author with published addons, would be much more relevant to the topic than asmon any day. (Yes, I know you'd have no way of knowing that before this post. It's just an example)
Dunno if YT nuked my reply or what but the stripped down version is: Using Asmon as a primary and only source for something he knows literally nothing about is not great and makes you look inept as a journalist. You should have went to either the addon forums or an addons discord to gather educated opinions. They are easily accessible. I could have, personally, given you a more educated opinion as an addon author myself.
stop posting paid addons man. Not good
"theyre not breaking TOS" the first rule is addons cant cost money i hope no one watches any of your content anymore you schill just lost all crediblility
i talk about that later in the video, there are loopholes to it. their loophole they are using is that the addon just isn't a public thing yet, it's in alpha testing. and itll be free when it comes out. now..how long will that alpha be? probably suspiciously long..
@@NOHITJEROME it isn't that's it a loophole it's blizzard is lazy rested xp xygor this thing twitch users weak aura packs are all against the tos plain and simple. Also addressing that it's against tos in the tos chunk of the video might be better
Would i pay for an addon? No. Is TSM and auctioneer automation and ruins the game by turning all prices to stock market 📈📉📈📉? Yes
Would be so cool if there were no auction addons. The prices would be way different lol