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I have a IPhone 13 pro, s22 ultra and duo1. I always find myself using the duo the most. Don't get me wrong camera sucks compared to the other 2 but just love the way it feels.
@@ChristianCalson the camera is pretty decent in my opinion, camera quality is not something most people will complain about in 2022 especially if you're just posting pictures to Instagram.... And when you combine the camera, the refresh rate, the way better speakers, and and more high quality feel... That $999 is a steal. Duo 1 is still cool though
Great comparison. I have had an original Surface Duo since last summer. I waited until the price cratered before making the jump because the form factor was so different. I'm sold on the concept but have not been satisfied with the poor general engineering design of Duo 1...not the dual screens or the hinges, but the sharp edges and outer glass that cracks in your back pocket if you lean to heavily on a chairback, not to mention the USB port that cracks on every Duo 1. My other original Duo complaints are the camera software (major shutter lag...especially on the initial shot, software constantly changing screens when you are trying to take a picture, software jumping to 'video' when you are selecting between 'photo' and 'panorama' options), and the inferior Bluetooth connectivity of the original Duo (which you have talked about before but didn't mention in this video). If I get more than 6-8 feet away from my phone, I lose reception on my headphones. And while the software for the Duo has taken incredible strides in the right direction, there are some other persistent annoying bugginess to the original Duo, but no showstoppers. One that I haven't been able to get past is the fact that I can't get it to connect to my main home network...it won't accept the password. I've never had an issue with other devices (and I've added devices after trying to add the Duo, so it's not a device capacity issue on the router). I can add the Duo to the open 'guest' network that doesn't require a password. However, since the Duo is not on the same network as my other devices, I can't utilize sharing functions on apps that require both devices to be on the same network. Has anyone else encountered this on the original Duo (or Duo 2) and is there a workaround??? Bottomline is that I will be upgrading to Duo 2 because while I don't do a lot of photography on my phone, I do need to take occasional photos (and panoramas) for work and the Duo 1 photo software has finally exhausted my patience...and I've also missed shots due to the initial shutter lag (on the rare occasions I use it for personal photography, like during the flyover on Opening Day). I thought your upside-down video was interesting because I've noticed that when I place photos that I took with my Duo into a document using MS Word, the pictures always are imported upside down...I figured that might have something to do with the fact that the camera is designed as a selfie camera, but it's weird because they appear right-side up on the camera roll but always import into the documents upside-down. The other smaller issues/annoyances weren't worth the extra $$ for the Duo 2 at $1,500, but if the current $999 price drop holds for much longer, it will be worth it for the better camera(s) and software alone (even though I'm a very occasional photographer)!
Thanks for your excellent, well thought out review! The Duo 2 is way better than the 1. The features that I like the most on the Duo 2 are the larger screens, the curved inner edges of the screens, the tighter hinge, the fact that you can see the thumbnails of photos, and the amazing "periscope camera" effect, which to me is a great advantage! Two days ago I spent 3 hours playing with the Duo 2 at Best Buy. I pulled up a chair in front of their tethered display unit, and this made it much easier to spend a long time with it. I learned a lot, but not 1 tenth of what you have taught me in your excellent, thorough review. So again, thanks!
The thing I like the most about Surface Duo is the whole ecosystem of it. When people come over to talk to you, you close the phone, there is that super satisfying thud and it signals to your company that they are important. A candy bar phone is like always on due to the screen lighting up with every notification. With Duo, even the glance bar limits interactions with your phone, but when you open it you mean business.
Still having a bad time chosing one of them, SD1 is really cheap and there's almost no difference, but, SD2 has a better camera (I'm looking for that) and screen, and I saw it more fluid in the video, the problem is the price and that I have to import it. Very good video and guide, I'm gonna keep loking for the Duo 2
I am still using my OG Duo, granted as a secondary device, since the android 11 update the Duo is 100% better software wise, when android 12L arrives, with more applications also taking advantage of the dual screens I can see the Duo 2/3 finally getting the credit that Microsoft deserves, one thing that no one can say about the Duo, is that it's a boring. Looking forward to the Duo 3!
Microsoft commited to 3 years of software and security so you're only good for another year with the duo 1 which imo is stupid. Should be required 5 yrs minimum on anything that started above $1000 at release
Great Video. still rocking the Duo 1 from launch. dropped it only once at the only place the bumper doesn't cover and cracked the plastic near the hinge. but still going strong. what widget is that on the DUO 2's left screen? it looks so clean and neat I love it.
Between the two, duo 2 definitely has been updated. But as a minimalist I think I'll stick up duo because I think with the updates and performance I think it'll be a better experience. Good luck guys looking forward to the 3rd generation
exactly, if I got one of them it would be the DUO. There is no need to have those stupid cameras on the back of the DUO 2. Remove most the cameras on all phones
Sold my Fold4 to go back to a Duo1. Better true multitasking. No app compatability issues with split screen. No fake toy multitasking, sharing a keyboard and screen realistate, so that the GUI can not differentiate which app your working on. No uselessly narrow outer screen. No heavier phone. No worries about longevity of a single folding main screen.
Thanks for this, just bought duo 1 on woot for 400 and thought it was the 2 and had instant regret but now I'm not going to send it right back. Thanks for taking the time to make an in depth comparison
I went wth the Samsung Galaxy Fold 3, it's my phone, tablet and PC all in one device. Connect that sucker to a portable monitor, bluetooth keyboard and mouse and you're all set!
The fingerprint scanner is way better for me on 1 vs 2. On the 2 it basically never works for me, it's always "greasy" and I get "too many attempts" immediately. The 1's dip feels great and worked much more reliably for me. The new one drives me crazy lol
Picked up first (ATT) for $360 on Amazon Renewed and couldn't be happier. Couple that with Echo frames sale during Prime Day and I feel like I'm from the future. Thanks to all that returned them.
the higher refresh screen an d extra gap pixels would probably do it for me, but the camera bump seems like such a dealbreaker I regret calling them out for the terrible camera the first time around.
I bought duo 1 I don’t feel it’s worth spending over 1k for duo 2 especially since android phones drop in price very quickly I’ll wait for duo 2 to Drop to the same price as I paid for duo 1 and then I’ll buy it
As a Duo 1 owner the main reason to get Duo 2 is the "phone mode main screen" feature. 8 out of 10 times when I flip to phone mode I end up with the wrong screen. I even went as far as the counter intuitively trick Duo in showing me the "right" screen when I flip.. It failed. Duo just doesn't understand the angle its in at all. I much prefer selecting your main screen for phone mode. But I don't prefer it enough to spend all that money on Duo 2. I just don't understand why Duo 1 can't have the main screen feature...
The trick I found, which is highly reproducible for me, is to use it the way it was intended. Be stationary, open to book mode, hold the screen you want to use, and fold back the screen you don't want to be shown. If you are moving or turning, it seems to make it difficult to tell what you intend. Even using the camera with this sort of setup, the camera switches as expected. When it fails, going back to book mode and repeating will usually get things correct. I think it's just that I've become trained on how to use it best and things just seem to work.
Great video. Besides the camera I wanted to see whether the gap in between is actually narrower on the Duo 2 than on the first one. After I saw your video I think I will stick with the Duo longer until the prices of the Duo 2 really come down. Or maybe a Duo 3 exists... Love the Duo, although for the moment being it won't replace my phone...
I'm thinking about buying Duo 1, it costs €430. To replace my Unihertz Titan which I got bored with after a year. Thanks for the explanations in the video.
Thanks for these videos! I am a fan of this device and you have been a great guide for me to buy my Duo1. At this point other than the camera I don't see a real value to pay $1,500 or even $1,000 usd however looking forward to reach $600 mark to get my duo 2. Hey just a quick note I have been with my phone for about 10 months and no cracks or damage to USB port it's about taking care of the device ;-)
Such a pity, i really thought the whole design was better than Any of those fold phones especially the split screen which looks much better and more premium. I expected so much more from Microsoft but seems like I'm still stuck with Samsung for the time being.
I waited and just purchased duo I like it so much Im thinking about getting a duo 2. This phone is simplely amazing I think yhd 5g and better camera are just to good to pass up on plus they are get hard to find and people who do have are selling go way more that 1500. That tells me all I need to know. Lol should have purchased one when nobody wanted one
really stuck on whether the duo one or duo 2, i found an ebay listing for a pre-owned one with a cracked back but everything else looks fantastic and the seller said works fantastically otherwise. Hunting for cases for it since its so fragile.
Thank you for your incredibly thorough and thoughtful work! It's Prime Day and Duo 1 is on sale so I came to UA-cam for comparison information. You have been a great help. Thank you again! :) Also, do you happen to know if Microsoft has reported how long they will provide ongoing updates (including major updates) to their Duo product line? EDIT: Nevermind. On their website, Microsoft lists their last planned security updates for each device: Surface Duo 1 - September 10, 2023 Surface Duo 2 - October 21, 2024
Shane - enjoy your videos, your videos are time beneficial. meaning you don't waste time with blabber like so many others. I mean I'm considering getting a MS duo 1 and of course with all the problems you end up watching numerous vids. The time adds up quickly for sure. So anyways I really like your approach, just the facts! NOW I do have a question, I checked MS support on this device and there are 20 or 30 updates ( which I assume is good) but is there a preferable way to get all of these?? should I just get them all at once ??? will that present any problems??? ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED!!!!! Gary
Duo 1 has had 20 updates, Duo 2 has had 9. If you buy a device new today during setup it'll grab the two or three it is behind, download them and install them in that process.
@@scaryifliteral Shane Thanks for taking the the time to help to help out. I knew you were the type of guy to do that. Again thanks a lot and best wishes to your future endeavors. Gary
This is getting interesting! Before, I always felt the Duo 2 was a better device holistically. You can grab it and do pretty much anything anyone else with a flagship phone can do. But it was almost $1000 more than a fire sale Duo. This recent price drop has made the Duo 2 much more compelling. It is now in the ballpark price wise with a Pixel 6 Pro or a Samsung S22. I hope this helps it gain traction and convinces Microsoft that v3 could be much more successful if it could launch for like $1199. Great content as always! You are the best voice on the Surface Duo line anywhere!
My biggest issue with the Duo 2 is the curved display edges. I’ve never gotten on well with them, the fat part near my thumb always interferes with them. I had the same isssue with a Note 20 Ultra. Have to really crane my fingers to type on Duo 2 or the Note compared to the Duo 1 with flat edges.
@@DanielHarrisCodes I agree 100%. My Note 10 had a curved screen. The curved screen is superfluous at best. The glance bar is not very useful. I'd rather have a flat screen and good options for screen protectors.
i love how you're still trying to keep this phone alive .....microsoft def needs to focus on this phone ....i really dont like the camera bump on da d2
I bought the Surface Duo 2 for $999 and lost it in Las Vegas a few months later.. I just found out that the deductible for a new Surface Duo 2 using the geek squad insurance plan is less money than buying a Surface Duo 1 right now. Thank God for that
Dude! Clear your desk before you do videos like this... The mouse ..keyboard.... I don't have ocd or anything but it was so distracting the whole time...
I bought the Duo 1 last October but had to return it because it was impossible to unlock it. Neither Microsoft nor AT&T were helpful. I got it through Amazon and the seller kind of implied that it was unlockable. Well, that never happened so I had no other option than to send it back. My question: if I get it now will I be able to unlock it and use it with the cellular provider of my choice? Thanks in advance for any feedback
That's the Duo vid I was waiting for, congrats. To me the elephant in the room is... Windows now runs on ARM. Any Duo should be able to well, duo boot. If my phone and desktop were one, well, all my employees would get one free. Staying on my Duo 1 until then!
I didn't buy the original because it has no 5G, no nfc and no wireless charging. The 2 has only the wireless charging not if I'm correct. NFC I use on daily basis to pay in stores, restaurants and so on, 5G is the best from my provider. I'm living in the Netherlands.
surface duo 3, would it be possible to make a dent on the non camera side so that it would it would lay flush, or maybe thats too little space left for the screen to be powered....
My English is so bad , I'm just trying But Microsoft needed to tiny jump to get leader on range foldable phone and challenged with big sharks as a sumsung and oppo and Xiaomi , actually Duo series is getting supporters from fans three type , one : people love simplicity in designs in creative , but not design alien , two : lovers Microsoft , and how insert windows experience on android phone , three : part of the people search about special things and Benefiting features in same time , just i would to shared my opinion 😂 , to training for improved my English in some comments , and exploring opinions from out my zone , I'm from middle east especially Sudan and I was live in Saudi arabia maybe to 21 years i not sure , and now in Egypt and study in university
I bought a surface duo a few days ago, needless to say I fucking love this device. Unfortunately I noticed it started doing this super bright screen flicker on the left screen. It legit flashbanged my eyes so hard I thought I was gonna get into an epilepsy or something. Sucks man. I really loved using this device but I decided to return it.
You can actually take pictures using the selfie camera on the Duo 2 so you can choose to take pictures with whatever camera and style of shooting you would like. I'm holding my Duo 2 right now and I was able to have UA-cam floating on top of the left screen while having the camera app open on the left screen and it automatically switches to the selfie camera.
i found duo 2 non-practical. try to put duo 2 in phone mode to your pocket without chance to break it. or how do you take pictures by one hand using duo 2? i have no answers on these questions. i accidentally broke my duo 1, and i bought a new one - duo 1 again. i personally do not see any significant upgrade moving to duo 2 - only the camera, but it's mostly unusable as you can use it with duo 1.
As a iPad Air 5 user with a M1 chip i can not say much, except the fact is pretty funny when you say basic, simple to run apps are „harder to run“ :D I dont even know how to use the M1 power yet except looking as obliterating benchmarks lol
@@scaryifliteral „nest is always a tough one“ sounds like something „harder to run“ for these devices as you said it. And i can confirm, a friends higher end android smartphone, my iPhone (12 Mini) and the iPad with M1 anyways are faster/snappier to different degrees. But i am pretty much with you…. these devices dont need that much power, its a nice to have to make sure upcoming software updates and features are supported in a snappy way. When i really need computing power im using anyways a proper computer, so a good old x86, Intel i7 desktop (DIY built and selected components as well overclocked and optimized to its limits) or my loved 16“ MacBook Pro 2021 which replaced in 2022 finally my aging 2010 15“ model. In fact on the iPad Air 5 i partially even „hate“ the M1…. it drains so much faster the battery than Air 4 with A14 and especially older iPads in general with A10 to A13 chips. Even my still working iPad 2 from 2011 with its ORIGINAL BATTERY last about as long as the pretty much brand new Air 5 which is a shame.
I have a question for Shane, I am buying my 16 year old son a new phone for Christmas and was thinking about getting him a dou 1 as they sell for 300 in my area , either that or a samsung s20 fe , he wants something that would be better for reading a d texting , he never uses camera or calls what is your thoughts
I think the biggest up the duo 2 has is definitely the 5g connectivity. I've been using the duo1 and cannot connect in areas where I normally would when having a 5g phone. Because of that the duo has been pretty annoying to use. The camera bump on the duo2 wouldn't be that annoying had Microsoft created a bumper case that encases the camera and stretches down to bottom to balance it out and keep it stabilized when laid down. I will definitely get the duo 2 when the price drops more. Hoping they'll still have a few around when it does
@@scaryifliteral what I mean is that people complain the surface duo 2 when completely open in single screen mode, covers up the camera and the surface 1 doesn't have this problem (because of no rear facing camera)....well with a software update, Duo 2 can be in single screen mode and take pictures with its front facing camera the same way Duo 1 does
Very interesting to see the older device perform better in some cases. Thanks for the vid! I used to want one soo bad, but the separation in the middle is a deal breaker.
brand new duo 1 on swappa for 315, 714 used for the duo 2. What is great about your comparrison is that you actually use the devices so they handle different than with generic fresh installed apps where cache, trackers and bugs are not so much involved in the process with clean images fresh out of the box. I cmpared mine to someone's duo 2 and we both agreed the duo 1 is actually nicer. It is not really a phone you see as a point and click camera so the only camera they should have gone all out on is the inside camera for meetings. zoom, skype, teams, discord etc. I am not even actively using mine since about two months ago but I cant bring myself to sell it haha. I imagine being able to flash these with linux distros with a flawless experiance.
The biggest problem with the camera bulge/gap on the 2 is that it makes the phone uneven, if you use it in the folded mode a lot you need to be really careful about not holding the bottom closed too tightly. And never put it in your pocket closed that way, because it can crack the screen due to the stress of being pushed on the bottom while the bulge keeps it open towards the top. The crack appears on the rounded screen edges on the right screen (the one with the camera bulge). Idk if I explained that clearly but it's really easy to break if you're not careful on that mode. One way to help is if you have the magnetic pen case, keep the pen on the back whenever you close it that way, since it evens out the gap and prevents the pressure crack I described. This might also be because I tend to use the left screen for phone mode, but it seems designed for you to use the right?
Shane I am having an issue on the Surface Duo with Facebook Messenger. Seeing if you've seen this bug. Everytime I click the mic to send a voice message it just closes out. If my wife sends me a voice message through messenger and I click on the play button to hear it, the screen jumps around and then closes out. I've tried to delete the app, reinstall, made sure I was on the latested update but it still happens and haven't really seen comments that anyone else is seeing this, have you? This is not the voice texting but to send a voice message.
I had the duo 1, and just bought duo 2. I had to send duo 2 in for a screen issue and went back to duo 1 for a week. Duo 1 is serviceable. But with all I need for work duo 1 just couldn't get the job done, what with screen flipping wrong side, or apps not loading correctly. It got me through but I couldn't wait to get my duo 2 back in my hands. It's just a great device overall.
Hi Shane. I'm considering buying Surface Duo 2, but I can't understand one thing. There is a gap between the two displays if I set the image over all displays the small part of the picture is missing. Why I can't choose if a small part of the picture is missing or the picture follows between both displays? Or it could be set? Thanks Stepan
Hey Shane, I just saw you've made a lot of videos, so I was wondering if you could help me. I recently bought Surface Duo, and after using it for a few days it had one major problem. It suddenly shut down and gave me a low battery message. After charging it for 2 minutes, it comes back with the same battery level. Even if the device is charged 90% most of the time it shuts itself off and tells me the battery is low, but after a few minutes it comes back with a 90% charge. I contacted Microsoft and explained my issue. I can't get anything to work. Would you mind sharing a solution if you've ever experienced it? Thank you!
I'm still using the Duo, bought it last year during the price dropped. Loving it. For camera I use GCam, works like a charm. Don't forget to install the Floating Apps, very cool application, but for some reason I can't resize the apps in multi windows mode. Any idea?
There's a developer option which I think would help, but it also causes problems with Phone Link. I like to use Phone Link with mine, so I don't mess with it.
@@giahuy20007 "version 8.4.300.414775575.18"... Not terribly useful I'm sure. I tend to use the stock myself for most things and just keep Gcam for Astro. Once I got one that works, I haven't made changes.
Duo 1 is a no.for me as it only uses one sim at a time, I bought the Duo 2 and love it and have both my work sim and private sim as e-sim. This is not a small phone So no way I am carriying two phones.
What a great video! Thank you very much. Can you tell me if the Outlook app on these offer the multiple signature option? Dropdown? Just like a desktop does.
Glass is glass. And glass breaks. Glass on back in phones is the most stupidest idea introduced on mobile phones later 5 years. BTW I bought a dual 1 on ebay and I am waiting for him to come in my hands
What a great review, thank you. May I say. I am sick and tired of phone companies trying to make the camera everything. It a phone there is no need for a camera on a phone to have 4k or 3 times zoom etc. on a phone. it has gone beyond crazy. plus, I have noticed the impact on businesses that sell and make a better product for less suffer they are called (Cameras)
Well I would agree the camera in marketing has gone over the top , and other useful convenience features have sadly become less or of almost no priority to phone companies sadly. At the same time I must disagree, if you are a person that makes use of good camera features clearly they are nice to have , if I was to use your same reasoning, I could say why do you need two super thin brittle screens which clearly adds compromises to the device in some ways. And having a good zoom is very nice if you want that extra distance to get shots that are just not possible on a standard camera. In the end it comes back to user use . case
Shane, do you workout? One of the oddest issues I'm having with my Duo is finding a way to run with it. Have you found or heard of a good arm band case that will fit this device?
I have a Duo one. My battery SoH ist at 72%. What you think i should buy: battery replacement at MS für nearly 300 Euros. Or new SD1 For 469 Euros. Or refurbished Galaxy z fold 3 For 899? Or at least a Duo 2 for 1200 Euros? I dont know what i should buy. Btw: my daily Driver is a Pixel 6.
I considering one of these courtesy of your excellent videos, I can't find anything about duos voice to text capabilities though and that's something I use a lot (to save me typing).
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I have a IPhone 13 pro, s22 ultra and duo1. I always find myself using the duo the most. Don't get me wrong camera sucks compared to the other 2 but just love the way it feels.
Honestly went with the duo 1. The price is so good for the productivity, and that's vital in my field. No need for a big bulge of a camera.
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I did the same, good tech and no camera bump
same. went with gen 1. yeah I don't need another freaking camera. I would pay extra to not have cameras on devices going forward.
@@ChristianCalson the camera is pretty decent in my opinion, camera quality is not something most people will complain about in 2022 especially if you're just posting pictures to Instagram.... And when you combine the camera, the refresh rate, the way better speakers, and and more high quality feel... That $999 is a steal. Duo 1 is still cool though
Ditto. I picked up a Duo 1 for $325 while the duo 2 is still over a grand. I love the clean lines of the duo 1. So much more refined looking.
Great comparison. I have had an original Surface Duo since last summer. I waited until the price cratered before making the jump because the form factor was so different. I'm sold on the concept but have not been satisfied with the poor general engineering design of Duo 1...not the dual screens or the hinges, but the sharp edges and outer glass that cracks in your back pocket if you lean to heavily on a chairback, not to mention the USB port that cracks on every Duo 1. My other original Duo complaints are the camera software (major shutter lag...especially on the initial shot, software constantly changing screens when you are trying to take a picture, software jumping to 'video' when you are selecting between 'photo' and 'panorama' options), and the inferior Bluetooth connectivity of the original Duo (which you have talked about before but didn't mention in this video). If I get more than 6-8 feet away from my phone, I lose reception on my headphones.
And while the software for the Duo has taken incredible strides in the right direction, there are some other persistent annoying bugginess to the original Duo, but no showstoppers. One that I haven't been able to get past is the fact that I can't get it to connect to my main home network...it won't accept the password. I've never had an issue with other devices (and I've added devices after trying to add the Duo, so it's not a device capacity issue on the router). I can add the Duo to the open 'guest' network that doesn't require a password. However, since the Duo is not on the same network as my other devices, I can't utilize sharing functions on apps that require both devices to be on the same network. Has anyone else encountered this on the original Duo (or Duo 2) and is there a workaround???
Bottomline is that I will be upgrading to Duo 2 because while I don't do a lot of photography on my phone, I do need to take occasional photos (and panoramas) for work and the Duo 1 photo software has finally exhausted my patience...and I've also missed shots due to the initial shutter lag (on the rare occasions I use it for personal photography, like during the flyover on Opening Day). I thought your upside-down video was interesting because I've noticed that when I place photos that I took with my Duo into a document using MS Word, the pictures always are imported upside down...I figured that might have something to do with the fact that the camera is designed as a selfie camera, but it's weird because they appear right-side up on the camera roll but always import into the documents upside-down. The other smaller issues/annoyances weren't worth the extra $$ for the Duo 2 at $1,500, but if the current $999 price drop holds for much longer, it will be worth it for the better camera(s) and software alone (even though I'm a very occasional photographer)!
Thanks for your excellent, well thought out review! The Duo 2 is way better than the 1. The features that I like the most on the Duo 2 are the larger screens, the curved inner edges of the screens, the tighter hinge, the fact that you can see the thumbnails of photos, and the amazing "periscope camera" effect, which to me is a great advantage!
Two days ago I spent 3 hours playing with the Duo 2 at Best Buy. I pulled up a chair in front of their tethered display unit, and this made it much easier to spend a long time with it. I learned a lot, but not 1 tenth of what you have taught me in your excellent, thorough review. So again, thanks!
Glad to help!
Expecting my duo 1 to arrive tomorrow, will be secondary to my Pixel 6, but very excited for what I could do with the duo
Look forward to your thoughts. I have a Pixel 6. Am pretty underwhelmed. Fancy a Duo
The thing I like the most about Surface Duo is the whole ecosystem of it. When people come over to talk to you, you close the phone, there is that super satisfying thud and it signals to your company that they are important. A candy bar phone is like always on due to the screen lighting up with every notification. With Duo, even the glance bar limits interactions with your phone, but when you open it you mean business.
Still having a bad time chosing one of them, SD1 is really cheap and there's almost no difference, but, SD2 has a better camera (I'm looking for that) and screen, and I saw it more fluid in the video, the problem is the price and that I have to import it.
Very good video and guide, I'm gonna keep loking for the Duo 2
I am still using my OG Duo, granted as a secondary device, since the android 11 update the Duo is 100% better software wise, when android 12L arrives, with more applications also taking advantage of the dual screens I can see the Duo 2/3 finally getting the credit that Microsoft deserves, one thing that no one can say about the Duo, is that it's a boring.
Looking forward to the Duo 3!
Sadly it's been announced they're moving to the galaxy layout
I want the duo 1 because it’s affordable, but idk how long it will have support.
Microsoft commited to 3 years of software and security so you're only good for another year with the duo 1 which imo is stupid. Should be required 5 yrs minimum on anything that started above $1000 at release
Controversial opinion: Pixels should be Microsoft Hardware with Google software. Microsoft makes incredible function and fit products that stand out
Dope. I love the fact that you confirm when voicing your opinion and acknowledge that features may be personal preference.
The great thing about the Duo 1 vs Duo 2 and Z Fold is that it's very easy to put anti-glare screen protectors on it; great for reading.
Great Video. still rocking the Duo 1 from launch. dropped it only once at the only place the bumper doesn't cover and cracked the plastic near the hinge. but still going strong.
what widget is that on the DUO 2's left screen? it looks so clean and neat I love it.
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@@scaryifliteral Hey Shane, thank you so much
Between the two, duo 2 definitely has been updated. But as a minimalist I think I'll stick up duo because I think with the updates and performance I think it'll be a better experience. Good luck guys looking forward to the 3rd generation
exactly, if I got one of them it would be the DUO. There is no need to have those stupid cameras on the back of the DUO 2. Remove most the cameras on all phones
Thanks for the comparison. I did not want the camera bump. You helped make my decision.
I miss my Duo so much this Zfold 3 is cool but when it comes down to it the split-screen functionality is not as good as Duo
Same.
Sold my Fold4 to go back to a Duo1. Better true multitasking. No app compatability issues with split screen. No fake toy multitasking, sharing a keyboard and screen realistate, so that the GUI can not differentiate which app your working on. No uselessly narrow outer screen. No heavier phone. No worries about longevity of a single folding main screen.
Thanks for this, just bought duo 1 on woot for 400 and thought it was the 2 and had instant regret but now I'm not going to send it right back. Thanks for taking the time to make an in depth comparison
I went wth the Samsung Galaxy Fold 3, it's my phone, tablet and PC all in one device. Connect that sucker to a portable monitor, bluetooth keyboard and mouse and you're all set!
1.) Thank you for all your work on the Duo & Duo-2, plus all the other products.
2.) You have a nice dog. 😉
Just got my duo 1st gen for $320 so happy about it
The fingerprint scanner is way better for me on 1 vs 2. On the 2 it basically never works for me, it's always "greasy" and I get "too many attempts" immediately. The 1's dip feels great and worked much more reliably for me. The new one drives me crazy lol
Picked up first (ATT) for $360 on Amazon Renewed and couldn't be happier. Couple that with Echo frames sale during Prime Day and I feel like I'm from the future. Thanks to all that returned them.
the higher refresh screen an d extra gap pixels would probably do it for me, but the camera bump seems like such a dealbreaker I regret calling them out for the terrible camera the first time around.
I bought duo 1 I don’t feel it’s worth spending over 1k for duo 2 especially since android phones drop in price very quickly I’ll wait for duo 2 to
Drop to the same price as I paid for duo 1 and then I’ll buy it
I found a duo 1 256gb on ebay for 200 so that decision was easy for me
As a Duo 1 owner the main reason to get Duo 2 is the "phone mode main screen" feature. 8 out of 10 times when I flip to phone mode I end up with the wrong screen. I even went as far as the counter intuitively trick Duo in showing me the "right" screen when I flip.. It failed. Duo just doesn't understand the angle its in at all. I much prefer selecting your main screen for phone mode. But I don't prefer it enough to spend all that money on Duo 2. I just don't understand why Duo 1 can't have the main screen feature...
The trick I found, which is highly reproducible for me, is to use it the way it was intended. Be stationary, open to book mode, hold the screen you want to use, and fold back the screen you don't want to be shown. If you are moving or turning, it seems to make it difficult to tell what you intend. Even using the camera with this sort of setup, the camera switches as expected. When it fails, going back to book mode and repeating will usually get things correct. I think it's just that I've become trained on how to use it best and things just seem to work.
Great video. Besides the camera I wanted to see whether the gap in between is actually narrower on the Duo 2 than on the first one. After I saw your video I think I will stick with the Duo longer until the prices of the Duo 2 really come down. Or maybe a Duo 3 exists...
Love the Duo, although for the moment being it won't replace my phone...
Honestly the biggest issue with OG duo is the Bluetooth and nobody talks about it . That’s deal breaker for me
I'm thinking about buying Duo 1, it costs €430. To replace my Unihertz Titan which I got bored with after a year. Thanks for the explanations in the video.
Thanks for these videos! I am a fan of this device and you have been a great guide for me to buy my Duo1. At this point other than the camera I don't see a real value to pay $1,500 or even $1,000 usd however looking forward to reach $600 mark to get my duo 2. Hey just a quick note I have been with my phone for about 10 months and no cracks or damage to USB port it's about taking care of the device ;-)
Such a pity, i really thought the whole design was better than Any of those fold phones especially the split screen which looks much better and more premium. I expected so much more from Microsoft but seems like I'm still stuck with Samsung for the time being.
I waited and just purchased duo I like it so much Im thinking about getting a duo 2. This phone is simplely amazing I think yhd 5g and better camera are just to good to pass up on plus they are get hard to find and people who do have are selling go way more that 1500. That tells me all I need to know. Lol should have purchased one when nobody wanted one
really stuck on whether the duo one or duo 2, i found an ebay listing for a pre-owned one with a cracked back but everything else looks fantastic and the seller said works fantastically otherwise. Hunting for cases for it since its so fragile.
Excelente análisis! Congratulations
Recently found you. Thank you for all the videos. I went with the first one because of the price. Can’t wait to receive it soon.
Thank you for your incredibly thorough and thoughtful work!
It's Prime Day and Duo 1 is on sale so I came to UA-cam for comparison information. You have been a great help. Thank you again! :)
Also, do you happen to know if Microsoft has reported how long they will provide ongoing updates (including major updates) to their Duo product line?
EDIT: Nevermind. On their website, Microsoft lists their last planned security updates for each device:
Surface Duo 1 - September 10, 2023
Surface Duo 2 - October 21, 2024
Shane - enjoy your videos, your videos are time beneficial. meaning you don't waste time with blabber like so many others. I mean I'm considering getting a MS duo 1 and of course with all the problems you end up watching numerous vids. The time adds up quickly for sure. So anyways I really like your approach, just the facts! NOW I do have a question, I checked MS support on this device and there are 20 or 30 updates ( which I assume is good) but is there a preferable way to get all of these?? should I just get them all at once ??? will that present any problems??? ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED!!!!! Gary
Duo 1 has had 20 updates, Duo 2 has had 9. If you buy a device new today during setup it'll grab the two or three it is behind, download them and install them in that process.
@@scaryifliteral Shane Thanks for taking the the time to help to help out. I knew you were the type of guy to do that. Again thanks a lot and best wishes to your future endeavors. Gary
I have my Duo 1 since May 2022 is it a great phone but it is worth to buy Duo 2 for 950 $?
Thanks! great review
This is getting interesting! Before, I always felt the Duo 2 was a better device holistically. You can grab it and do pretty much anything anyone else with a flagship phone can do. But it was almost $1000 more than a fire sale Duo. This recent price drop has made the Duo 2 much more compelling. It is now in the ballpark price wise with a Pixel 6 Pro or a Samsung S22. I hope this helps it gain traction and convinces Microsoft that v3 could be much more successful if it could launch for like $1199. Great content as always! You are the best voice on the Surface Duo line anywhere!
My biggest issue with the Duo 2 is the curved display edges. I’ve never gotten on well with them, the fat part near my thumb always interferes with them. I had the same isssue with a Note 20 Ultra. Have to really crane my fingers to type on Duo 2 or the Note compared to the Duo 1 with flat edges.
@@DanielHarrisCodes I agree 100%. My Note 10 had a curved screen. The curved screen is superfluous at best. The glance bar is not very useful. I'd rather have a flat screen and good options for screen protectors.
i love how you're still trying to keep this phone alive .....microsoft def needs to focus on this phone ....i really dont like the camera bump on da d2
I'm supporting the community far more than I'm supporting the phone
I bought the Surface Duo 2 for $999 and lost it in Las Vegas a few months later.. I just found out that the deductible for a new Surface Duo 2 using the geek squad insurance plan is less money than buying a Surface Duo 1 right now.
Thank God for that
Dude! Clear your desk before you do videos like this... The mouse ..keyboard.... I don't have ocd or anything but it was so distracting the whole time...
74K views and 1 comment like this tells me it's irrelevant.
I have Duo 1 - Do you guess Duo 3 will be early or late 2023 ?
I could only speculate. Nothing firm to point to.
Notifications on the spine of Duo are fantastic.
I bought the Duo 1 last October but had to return it because it was impossible to unlock it. Neither Microsoft nor AT&T were helpful. I got it through Amazon and the seller kind of implied that it was unlockable. Well, that never happened so I had no other option than to send it back. My question: if I get it now will I be able to unlock it and use it with the cellular provider of my choice? Thanks in advance for any feedback
That's the Duo vid I was waiting for, congrats. To me the elephant in the room is... Windows now runs on ARM. Any Duo should be able to well, duo boot. If my phone and desktop were one, well, all my employees would get one free. Staying on my Duo 1 until then!
I didn't buy the original because it has no 5G, no nfc and no wireless charging. The 2 has only the wireless charging not if I'm correct. NFC I use on daily basis to pay in stores, restaurants and so on, 5G is the best from my provider. I'm living in the Netherlands.
surface duo 3, would it be possible to make a dent on the non camera side so that it would it would lay flush, or maybe thats too little space left for the screen to be powered....
My English is so bad , I'm just trying
But Microsoft needed to tiny jump to get leader on range foldable phone and challenged with big sharks as a sumsung and oppo and Xiaomi , actually Duo series is getting supporters from fans three type , one : people love simplicity in designs in creative , but not design alien , two : lovers Microsoft , and how insert windows experience on android phone , three : part of the people search about special things and Benefiting features in same time , just i would to shared my opinion 😂 , to training for improved my English in some comments , and exploring opinions from out my zone , I'm from middle east especially Sudan and I was live in Saudi arabia maybe to 21 years i not sure , and now in Egypt and study in university
Just bought a new surface duo gen1 for $420. I'm really excited to get it. Can't wait!
I’m going with Duo 1
I bought a surface duo a few days ago, needless to say I fucking love this device. Unfortunately I noticed it started doing this super bright screen flicker on the left screen. It legit flashbanged my eyes so hard I thought I was gonna get into an epilepsy or something.
Sucks man. I really loved using this device but I decided to return it.
Early gang 2002 👍🏾
Dyslexia got the better of me. Looked at the headline probably 10 times and never saw it.
@@scaryifliteral it's okay hahaha nobody is perfect 👍🏾
You can actually take pictures using the selfie camera on the Duo 2 so you can choose to take pictures with whatever camera and style of shooting you would like. I'm holding my Duo 2 right now and I was able to have UA-cam floating on top of the left screen while having the camera app open on the left screen and it automatically switches to the selfie camera.
i found duo 2 non-practical. try to put duo 2 in phone mode to your pocket without chance to break it. or how do you take pictures by one hand using duo 2? i have no answers on these questions. i accidentally broke my duo 1, and i bought a new one - duo 1 again. i personally do not see any significant upgrade moving to duo 2 - only the camera, but it's mostly unusable as you can use it with duo 1.
As a iPad Air 5 user with a M1 chip i can not say much, except the fact is pretty funny when you say basic, simple to run apps are „harder to run“ :D
I dont even know how to use the M1 power yet except looking as obliterating benchmarks lol
Did I say basic apps are harder to run?
@@scaryifliteral „nest is always a tough one“ sounds like something „harder to run“ for these devices as you said it. And i can confirm, a friends higher end android smartphone, my iPhone (12 Mini) and the iPad with M1 anyways are faster/snappier to different degrees.
But i am pretty much with you…. these devices dont need that much power, its a nice to have to make sure upcoming software updates and features are supported in a snappy way.
When i really need computing power im using anyways a proper computer, so a good old x86, Intel i7 desktop (DIY built and selected components as well overclocked and optimized to its limits) or my loved 16“ MacBook Pro 2021 which replaced in 2022 finally my aging 2010 15“ model.
In fact on the iPad Air 5 i partially even „hate“ the M1…. it drains so much faster the battery than Air 4 with A14 and especially older iPads in general with A10 to A13 chips. Even my still working iPad 2 from 2011 with its ORIGINAL BATTERY last about as long as the pretty much brand new Air 5 which is a shame.
I have a question for Shane, I am buying my 16 year old son a new phone for Christmas and was thinking about getting him a dou 1 as they sell for 300 in my area , either that or a samsung s20 fe , he wants something that would be better for reading a d texting , he never uses camera or calls what is your thoughts
I think the biggest up the duo 2 has is definitely the 5g connectivity. I've been using the duo1 and cannot connect in areas where I normally would when having a 5g phone. Because of that the duo has been pretty annoying to use. The camera bump on the duo2 wouldn't be that annoying had Microsoft created a bumper case that encases the camera and stretches down to bottom to balance it out and keep it stabilized when laid down. I will definitely get the duo 2 when the price drops more. Hoping they'll still have a few around when it does
When I get my Duo 2, I will make a little stick-on bumper to attach to the back, and that will solve the "uneven" problem.
@@richardsnyder8 I had the same idea if I did ever get the duo 2
Lol 😂
Why couldn't duo 1 picture taking steps be implemented into duo 2?
Not sure what you mean
@@scaryifliteral what I mean is that people complain the surface duo 2 when completely open in single screen mode, covers up the camera and the surface 1 doesn't have this problem (because of no rear facing camera)....well with a software update, Duo 2 can be in single screen mode and take pictures with its front facing camera the same way Duo 1 does
FINALLY got my Duo 2 yesterday and so far I'm liking it 😁👍🏾
Very interesting to see the older device perform better in some cases. Thanks for the vid! I used to want one soo bad, but the separation in the middle is a deal breaker.
Not available in Amazon india
brand new duo 1 on swappa for 315, 714 used for the duo 2. What is great about your comparrison is that you actually use the devices so they handle different than with generic fresh installed apps where cache, trackers and bugs are not so much involved in the process with clean images fresh out of the box. I cmpared mine to someone's duo 2 and we both agreed the duo 1 is actually nicer. It is not really a phone you see as a point and click camera so the only camera they should have gone all out on is the inside camera for meetings. zoom, skype, teams, discord etc. I am not even actively using mine since about two months ago but I cant bring myself to sell it haha. I imagine being able to flash these with linux distros with a flawless experiance.
This was a good video, really well put together, my friend you are a PRO
Please advise how why the outlook send later festure not available over durface duo
Or maybe i cant figure it out
So if you don't care about the camera. The surface duo is the better buy?
Probably
i've watched the video all thee way through well put together bud
I feel they are Working on new updates and tech for devices soon the os and ui have been reworked for performance and experience!
The biggest problem with the camera bulge/gap on the 2 is that it makes the phone uneven, if you use it in the folded mode a lot you need to be really careful about not holding the bottom closed too tightly. And never put it in your pocket closed that way, because it can crack the screen due to the stress of being pushed on the bottom while the bulge keeps it open towards the top. The crack appears on the rounded screen edges on the right screen (the one with the camera bulge). Idk if I explained that clearly but it's really easy to break if you're not careful on that mode. One way to help is if you have the magnetic pen case, keep the pen on the back whenever you close it that way, since it evens out the gap and prevents the pressure crack I described.
This might also be because I tend to use the left screen for phone mode, but it seems designed for you to use the right?
My Duo 2 has a crack too, right where the bumper begins and the USB port also cracked, still works fine.
Shane I am having an issue on the Surface Duo with Facebook Messenger. Seeing if you've seen this bug. Everytime I click the mic to send a voice message it just closes out. If my wife sends me a voice message through messenger and I click on the play button to hear it, the screen jumps around and then closes out. I've tried to delete the app, reinstall, made sure I was on the latested update but it still happens and haven't really seen comments that anyone else is seeing this, have you? This is not the voice texting but to send a voice message.
I've heard of people having issues with Messenger, but I don't have a Facebook account to test anything with.
I had the duo 1, and just bought duo 2. I had to send duo 2 in for a screen issue and went back to duo 1 for a week. Duo 1 is serviceable. But with all I need for work duo 1 just couldn't get the job done, what with screen flipping wrong side, or apps not loading correctly. It got me through but I couldn't wait to get my duo 2 back in my hands. It's just a great device overall.
Hi Shane.
I'm considering buying Surface Duo 2, but I can't understand one thing. There is a gap between the two displays if I set the image over all displays the small part of the picture is missing. Why I can't choose if a small part of the picture is missing or the picture follows between both displays? Or it could be set? Thanks
Stepan
There is no such setting and this is simply the way Android handles dual screen setups at this point. You lose the content where the hinge is.
Hey Shane, I just saw you've made a lot of videos, so I was wondering if you could help me. I recently bought Surface Duo, and after using it for a few days it had one major problem. It suddenly shut down and gave me a low battery message. After charging it for 2 minutes, it comes back with the same battery level. Even if the device is charged 90% most of the time it shuts itself off and tells me the battery is low, but after a few minutes it comes back with a 90% charge. I contacted Microsoft and explained my issue. I can't get anything to work. Would you mind sharing a solution if you've ever experienced it? Thank you!
This happened on my original Duo and I had Microsoft replace it under warranty.
I'm still using the Duo, bought it last year during the price dropped. Loving it. For camera I use GCam, works like a charm. Don't forget to install the Floating Apps, very cool application, but for some reason I can't resize the apps in multi windows mode. Any idea?
There's a developer option which I think would help, but it also causes problems with Phone Link. I like to use Phone Link with mine, so I don't mess with it.
@@R.B. I did tick to enable and resize window, but still doesn't work.
Can you give me the GCam version which works well for Duo? I tried some ,but it seems not working well .
@@giahuy20007 "version 8.4.300.414775575.18"... Not terribly useful I'm sure. I tend to use the stock myself for most things and just keep Gcam for Astro. Once I got one that works, I haven't made changes.
Duo 1 is a no.for me as it only uses one sim at a time, I bought the Duo 2 and love it and have both my work sim and private sim as e-sim. This is not a small phone So no way I am carriying two phones.
Shane/anybody had any issues with the phone feeling hot on the back panels on the Duo 1 or Duo 2?
Are these phones use perf+ kernel?
They boot really fast
My Sony literally the same speed
Whats the small keyboard on the top right side of the video?
What a great video! Thank you very much. Can you tell me if the Outlook app on these offer the multiple signature option? Dropdown? Just like a desktop does.
Multiple signatures, yes. Not sure what you mean by dropdown though 🤔
Glass is glass.
And glass breaks.
Glass on back in phones is the most stupidest idea introduced on mobile phones later 5 years. BTW I bought a dual 1 on ebay and I am waiting for him to come in my hands
Glass can also be heavier than plastic. I agree it's useless asthetics for outside to be glass. There are countless duo used on eBay with crack glass.
Great video - thanks for breaking this down for us. Very helpful. 👍🏻
For a bargain price settled for the fold 1! Couldnt find the duo 1 anywhere here in my side of the world.
What a great review, thank you. May I say. I am sick and tired of phone companies trying to make the camera everything. It a phone there is no need for a camera on a phone to have 4k or 3 times zoom etc. on a phone. it has gone beyond crazy. plus, I have noticed the impact on businesses that sell and make a better product for less suffer they are called (Cameras)
Well I would agree the camera in marketing has gone over the top , and other useful convenience features have sadly become less or of almost no priority to phone companies sadly.
At the same time I must disagree, if you are a person that makes use of good camera features clearly they are nice to have , if I was to use your same reasoning, I could say why do you need two super thin brittle screens which clearly adds compromises to the device in some ways.
And having a good zoom is very nice if you want that extra distance to get shots that are just not possible on a standard camera.
In the end it comes back to user use . case
Shutter lag on my iphone in low light isn’t great.
Awesome stuff as always my guy. Great Vid and very thorough.
As always, vert nice vidéo. Thanks Shane !
Shane, do you workout? One of the oddest issues I'm having with my Duo is finding a way to run with it. Have you found or heard of a good arm band case that will fit this device?
Sadly, I've not seen a good option for that either. The kinds of shorts one runs in tend to have terrible pockets too.
grab your popcorn and enjoy a nice cozy long duo video. nice job man
My man sounds like if Bartok from Anastasia became a tech reviewer lol
Didn't he have like a northern accent? Do I sound northern to you? lol
I have a Duo one. My battery SoH ist at 72%. What you think i should buy: battery replacement at MS für nearly 300 Euros. Or new SD1 For 469 Euros. Or refurbished Galaxy z fold 3 For 899? Or at least a Duo 2 for 1200 Euros? I dont know what i should buy. Btw: my daily Driver is a Pixel 6.
Can't trust apps to read split batteries correctly.
@@scaryifliteral ok thats sounds good 😉
there is an option on duos to have the notifications only appear after unlocked
Great video
Thanks!
Blues Traveler .... hahaha, awesome
A nice honest warts and all review mate .
Appreciate your putting the spotlight on this line of devices.
I considering one of these courtesy of your excellent videos, I can't find anything about duos voice to text capabilities though and that's something I use a lot (to save me typing).
It works the same as it does on any other Android device. My primary way of typing to be honest.
@@scaryifliteral thanks, that's good to know, i couldn't see the little microphone on the keyboard and hadn't seen anyone demonstrating it ☺️
thx for video, ordered a 1st gen duo now!