This may be one of the best lense reviews I've watched. Excellent work! Your use of the star filter exactly described the bokeh's light warp. Ive never seen anyone attempt this tool! I'm already subscribed and I can only Thumb Up once, so accept my thanks!
There is a corollary in the spikes seen in a amateur astronomy reflecting telescope on bright stars - the supports for the secondary mirror, usually four blades, result in four spikes, you see them in observatory photos of stars. Some folks use other shapes to support the secondary but it just moves the light around, the obstruction is higher than four THIN blades. Three blades unfortunately makes six spikes! Some use two or even one but they have to be thick and they are more difficult to accurately adjust.
Most excellent study of the swirly character of the Helios 44 iterations, Simon. 👍👍👍This has got to be the very first intelligent UA-cam video analysing the various personalities of them and it has answered many of my questions. Your knowledge, time and efforts on making this one is heartily appreciated by yours truly. 🙏
Charts and graphs via controlled test are fine for lab technicians, but your testing methodology is most valuable to photographers and those of us who like using these older lenses. Thanks so much .
Fantastic video! I have a Helios 44M-4 which is actually from a family heirloom camera. The body is busted but the lens is in great condition! What I like from your examples is that the 44M-4 just like all the other lenses produces the swirly effect, but because of the coatings on the lens, it simultaneously produces a sharp modern look with great contrast. More motivated than ever to use it!
I'm glad to both hear this and see the test results from this video that validate that point. I have a 44-2, but was drawn to the 44M4 since the colors and sharpness seem more punchy. Then, as I'm waiting for it to arrive, suddenly notice all the posts online saying "it doesn't swirl", which made me panic a bit 😅
Many thanks everyone for your comments and questions. The camera I used for these tests is a Pentax K-1 Full-Frame camera - with a 36MP, 35.9 x 24 mm sensor. I originally included a section at the end of the video showing how the results differed between FF and crop (1.5x) sensors. But I decided to cut out that section, and I'll post another video with those images. Here it is - FF v APS-C: ua-cam.com/video/TtvdAJ1MQIg/v-deo.html
100% would love you to repeat this experiment on APSC (e.g. Pentax KP, K3 etc) - I imagine the swirl would be much less obvious, as it becomes more pronounced at the edge of the frames.
I have a 44M-4 and use it on both a Pentax K3 (crop) and a Sony A7ii (full frame). It takes wonderful images, especially up close, and I find that when I want the most intense swirls, the full frame Sony is better. But for portraits, the crop sensor works just fine and there is enough swirl to set the scene.
Well done Simon! A terrific video that answers questions I've been asking. The next thing I wonder is about copy variation in the old Russian lenses. Maybe not a practical video to make, given the number of 'identical' lenses required, but it would interesting to see what differences a person might find between several lenses of the same version. Perhaps from different factories. This video was great! Keep them coming! By the way, the photo you took of the flowers in the rain was the photo that most influenced me to pursue a Helios 44. What a beautiful photo.
Very little unless the lens was abused or taken apart. I have three Helios lenses. One a mystical 00 serial that is supposed to be magical. All three perform pretty much identically and all three are capable of excellent performance.
This overview certainly represents the apotheosis of Helios lens reviews. Excellent and intelligent review. Looks like the 42-2 is almost as pleasing as the 44 M39's (my opinion). Excellent - and intelligent - review! Thank you.
Extremely well done! This should be the first time I've seen someone seriously investigate the swirls. Owning a silver 44 myself I've questioned the mechanism of swirls for months and it is finally been answered. Good job!
Thank you so much for this video! You had a lot of patience and perseverance to do this analysis. I have a 44-4, unused for about 20 years, it was produced in 1978, I have taken extraordinary photos on film.
the most beautiful and most complete review I've found here on UA-cam. Thanks for these test differences, I own a 44m, the only one I've found. when I took it I thought I hadn't taken the best that existed but I settled for it. I'm much more confident now. thank you
thanks, Simon. Great to see an objective test rather than the speculative comments I have seen in other places this is really an excellent video, of vintage lens nerds like me.
Talking about how bleak it is when you filmed in midwinter... proceeds to show a beautiful flower. You certainly have different winters than the ones I get! Great video nonetheless, super informative and a fun watch!
The great trick of the Biotar design is that it is a strongly asymmetric "double gauss" (where both parts (front doublet and rear doublet) are different. The doublet in the internal section (from the diaphragm) is smaller, with much more pronounced curves ). Most of the bright "normals" from Japanese brands (50-55-58 f 1.8, 1.4 or 1.2) are based on a more symmetrical gauss design (derived from Xenon or Planar, where both sides of the lens are more similar). Most manufacturers split the 1st doublet in two pieces (like the Xenon design), but the 2nd doublet (inner side of the diaphragm) is more similar to the "detached doublet" on the front. Both sides are more symmetrical than in a Biotar) I recently put my hands on a Nikkor S Auto 5.8cm f1.4, Nikon's first reflex lens with that aperture. (1960-62 approx) Relatively few were manufactured, because a few years later they managed to manufacture the famous S Auto 50 f1.4, which performs much better optically (less distortion and spherical aberration) The thing is that the 5.8cm design is much more like a Biotar (huge front section, reduced rear section with a doublet with steep curvature) It's a strange early attempt of gauss, but very asymmetrical. And as such, in certain circumstances it generates a soft kind of "swirl". The subsequent lenses (50 f1.4 Pre ais, 55 f1,2 pre ais) are "planar" designs, symmetrical gauss, and does not generate that level of swirl Here interesting information, good reading www.lensrentals.com/blog/2011/08/lens-geneology-part-1/
For artistic portrait uses, a lot of people forget that these have a bigger image circle than 36x24, so you can tilt them a little, especially on mirrorless cameras!
With Pentax K-1 one can shift the sensor towards all corners and take four pictures to use for one stitched image. It would be nice to see how these lenses behave with this method used.
Thank you, an excellent video and one which has made me think much more about composition and lighting. I think that your conclusions related to the physical aspects of the lens form are most valid. As an old newspaper reporter once said to me when I asked him what did he consider the best camera and lens to use. His reply was: "The one given to me".
I truly appreciate your effort in preparing this and all of your videos. I have spent a few cold Saturday afternoons testing sharpness and ISO of the cameras and lenses I have collected. It does take a lot of work to perform then organize the data. I have a 44m that I have only used a few times. A side note that you may want to warn your subscribers about is finding a good M42 to Pentax K adapter. Until I purchased an original Pentax adapter I thought my M42 lenses were all soft while used for landscape photography. It turns out the 2 Chinese made adapters I had purchased are too thick causing the lenses to not focus to infinity. Cheers, from a subscriber who lives near Chicago.
Many thanks for your kind words. Guess we both live in climates where testing cameras and lenses is a fun activity in the winter!! (Although I'd welcome more sunlight). And you've so right about the benefits of using an original Pentax adapter.
Your video is outstanding,sublimely well made.I subscribed after watching it and others of yours too. A masterclass in Helios lenses but also in how to do a lens comparison.Your video is so well made, from the narration,graphics,production and content that it would not be out of place if broadcast as a documentary on BBC 2 TV .I salute you Sir. Looking forward to picking up a Zenit camera this week which comes with an 44M-7.Kind regards and thanks from an Irish amateur photographer,living in Brazil. Edit: P.S Your photography is absolutely stunning.
Cheers for this Simon. I just came across a Zenit 11 with a 44M-4 and I knew as soon as I saw the Helios name that there was meant to be something special about these lenses, but I wasn't sure what it was. A few youtube searches later and I came across your wonderful, detailed breakdown of the various versions, which is all I needed to confirm the price for this one with the camera body is pretty reasonable and I'll be grabbing an adapter to throw this on my EOS R and enjoy some cool looking images thanks to this lens. Your video was well put together and very in depth and I appreciate the time you have put into this.
I appreciate this asI am looking for a Helios lens at the moment and I feel that this essentially gives me a little more leeway to go with a tighter budget and get more or less a clean example at the best price without worrying too much about getting a specific one. It will be nice in time to expand upon that, but for now, that's where I will stand.
Simon, I have you to thank/blame for my current obsession with M42 vintage lenses. I have two Helios 44 lenses (a 44-2 and a 44M-4) and it’s good to see that they both produce similar swirly bokeh. Only problem with your many excellent videos is that they make these lenses more sought after, pushing up their prices.
I have four of those lenses. The 44 (M39) is one of them and I love it. Unfortunately my camera is APS-C (Canon 1300D), so I do not have all the swirl this lenses can give... Excellent video!
Another excellent and technically informative video. You went to a lot of time and effort to test and report on all the lenses. If one lens had been the clear winner, then I guess that we would all rush out to purchase that version. So good to know that they are very similar. My first Helios was a 44M and unbeknown to me had the front element reversed. So purchased a second Helios last year, the early silver 44 with 13 blades. Had to be serviced because of the stiff focusing. Wonderful swirls and was surprised with the saturated colors. Also the internal flare can really add to the mood of some images.
Great video! Thank you for the effort to put your Helios 44 collection through the paces. I guess I have to dust off my own Helios 44 collection (at least 9 lenses, probably 10) and use these more often again, especially for catching their swirly bokeh. Interestingly I own the same lenses which you tested but the 44 I have in two silver versions, one with 8 blades and one with 13 blades. When I was building my collection I left out the 44M-5 since it doesn't have any specific relevance compared with the 44M-4 (same resolution of 41/20 lp/mm). The lenses which I was using most (in the past) were the 44M-7 and the 44M-4 which are both producing beautiful pictures straight out of the camera (Sony A7 and Sony A7R III). By buying an old Sony A7, a Helios 44 variant (58mm) and a MIR-1B (37mm) everyone can (technically seen) start to shoot great looking full-frame vintage prime lens pictures with a relatively small investment.
Excellent tests performed and very comprehensive! Thank you so much for this. I own the 44M-7 and it's great to see the differences as well as the similarities across versions in a controlled environment and presented in a factual manner. More power! :)
Thank you for a very informative video. Now that you've confirmed the lack of any real difference, I can sell off 2 and keep my early 13 blade version.
Stumbled over your review which helped me to narrow down my choice, so I found a 44-3 (MMZ) yesterday for a good price and since you got me attentive to what to look for, I bought it. First tests and yeah, you are right. Thanks. I don't know if I will buy other copies, but at least I know before I buy.
Excellent video. Very helpful/informative. Thank you very much for this and all your previous videos. I am a big fan. I have the 44 (M42) and use it on an Olympus OMD 5III. I've had challenges getting a lot of swirly bokeh, probably because of the micro 4/3 two-crop factor. But I do enjoy the lens and still get creative images. Thanks again.
Another very interesting video Simon. I've always been put off considering the older versions of the lens as I wanted the swirl effect. This shows that in the correct conditions any version can produce similar results.
Thank you! I used a printer to make the filter in the video. I'm fortunate to have access to a printer that can print onto thick objects. However, you can make the shape using paper, if you're patient enough to cut out the shape. I posted a video on this some time ago: ua-cam.com/video/O6AuYf4ndKQ/v-deo.html
Good timing. I just got given a 44M a few days back. So far loving the thing. Definitely major swirl going on. Very clear and pronounced. I've not purposefully tried to make it swirl, either. Impossible to actually see the swirls through the viewfinder of my particular camera. and the screen on the back is tiny and low res. So I only get to see it when I get back home. For how little these lenses go for, particularly the earlier models, it's madness not to have at least one. I've been eying an M-7 for a while, too. From what I've seen others make with one, it looks incredible. Sharper than it has any right to be. =D That alone seems like a huge difference to the earlier unnumbered M. This thing loves the softness. Makes for some incredible portraiture. and with the swirls, they really just halo your subject nicely.
Yes, I've just acquired a second 44M-4 and took it out for a walk today, expecting it to be as centre-sharp as the 44M-7 I've been using recently...but it's not!!
Very interesting, Simon. The Helios 44 lenses are great lenses. True classics like the Tessar 50s. I've had four of them, two 44 M-4s, a 44 M-6, and a 44-3. Each seems to have its own character. When I downsized my collection, I kept the sharper of the 44 M-4s and the 44-3, and after watching this I guess I might be shooting with them this week. I have to say that I don't much care for swirly bokeh preferring the creamy type myself. Thanks for making these videos. Modern autofocus lenses can produce good images, but the older manual focus lenses are very special as your pictures attest.
Great video, thanks for all of your effort. I own a 44M and I've also shot a 44-2. I have a couple of thoughts for you: 1. Regarding your starburst filter: since that was screwed into your front threads and, as you pointed out, the front elements are recessed further in the earlier designs, I suspect that the difference that you're seeing in the starburst patterns in your images is from vignetting caused by the lens body itself and not the optical design. To really test that theory, you'd need to insert a pattern much closer to the aperture. It may be easy enough to do with the 44M since there is some space between the rear element assembly and the iris. I'd be really curious to see if this makes a difference. 2. I have found that the swirly pattern depends somewhat on where you have the lens focused to. 2m seems to be a sweet spot for my 44M, but I haven't tested this rigorously.
Thank you - I wondered about the impact of the recessed front element, and if I have time I'll try the test you suggest. In terms of the sweet spot, I've also found that 2m is good for my 44s, but for the Helios 40, it's further away, sometimes twice that distance.
Thank you for your videos, I learn a lot from them. Objective and judicious, you correctly evaluate subjective characteristics, which helps a lot who wants more information about vintage lenses. Do you plan to make a video about 55mm f1.2 yashinon (tomioka)? Thanks!
Fantastic review. I do see quite a bit difference in the outdoor pink rose shot between, as you say, the swirly "coherence" of the older lens compared to the newer ones. Bokeh balls appear more consistently bright on the older lens and also just more consistent period on the older lens versus the newer one, though the flaring of the 44M-7 in the upper left is creating a quite pleasing image as well.
Oh, that seems the best and most comprehensive Helios swirlyness test out there! Very nice trick with the star filter A note on contrast though. Seems newer models (M6/7) had lesser contrast not by accident. They are produced on Valday optical plant, but (as was always considered) the best ones are from Krasnogorsk (KMZ). By the logos it seems all the others (aside from black 44 and 44-3 which are BelOMO) are KMZ. That's why they are better. Also I'm much surprised M6 and 7 are good! They are from 90s, when it all had fallen apart in Russia, so production was cheapened. So I personally stayed away from them, despite wanted to get one just because of how they look. Nice to know they are good too!
I've recently acquired a 44M-4 made at the Valdai factory, so I'll be able to see how it much it differs from my other 44M-4 made at KMZ. Apparently, the Helios 44M-7 were selected as the best quality out of the lens production, while the less good lenses were labelled 5 or 6. (I'm not sure this is 100% true, perhaps someone can confirm this). My 6 and 7 are solid lenses, with good optics, but both suffer from stiff focus rings - caused by the helicoid grease used..
Правильная мысль по поводу контрастности. 44 М-7 с блендой на месте светофильтра дает значительно более контрастную и более закрученную картинку в стоке, чем без бленды.
what an incredibly informative comparison video. going to be helpful to many. though I still find myself confused which one to opt for regarding their optical acuity and contrast levels
Great video. I have known this for a long time, but people have their own misconceptions. Honestly, I think there is more misinformation out there about soviet lenses than pravda ever put out there. It's great to see a level headed and honest video.
I have two copies of the Helios 44-2. Each are slightly different in terms of contrast and colour rendering - if compared to where they were originally manufactured. It’s a personal thing, but I have never cared for either glare nor flare, and as I like the tonal properties of low contrast optics, I use a lens hood. And not just any old off the shelf cheapo, but something handmade to be very deep and very wide, and extremely black inside. It makes a huge difference to the Helios image quality. Also, the rendering of swirl is very much dependent on the size of the sensor’s light wells. I don’t own any of the shallow recessed versions, and to my eye they look muddy. But a question I ask myself is:- do all the different Helios versions have the same glass? I’m not so sure about that. Anyway, thank you for your very thoughtful and well presented analysis.
This video is very good! You just answered to everything i wanted to know. I just had bought a 44-m6 for a very low price because it has some minor problems. I think that, later, i'll buy a 44m-7...
Woo. Love the swirl on demand set up! Wonder if a narrow hood would affect the star filter(great tool btw) Helios coating are quite different even among lenses of the same generation/model.
Great video. Quite surprising to see how similar the swirls are between the versions despite clear differences with the star filter. I prefer the earlier lenses mostly for their construction and preset aperture - somehow more satisfying to use a 'survivor' than the later lenses which feel more contemporary in use.
absolutely brilliant what a good review, I have the 44-2 and the m version both interesting, i also have a helios 85-210 zoom and that is a brilliant lens also has a macro setting!
Just got my 44K-4 on Friday. Figured I have some Pentax cameras, and it’d be easier to have a lens I don’t need to adapt to at least some cameras. It’s been fun to shoot with so far. One thing I’m noticing is how often I actually need to stop down a little. There needs to be enough detail in the background for it to start swirling some, so when I’m close to the subject and the background is farther away, stopping down a touch seems to help. It makes me realize part of what makes the TTArtisan 27/2.8 such a good swirling lens as far as APS-C autofocus lenses go: the out of focus areas have enough definition that it’s all just smooth, and that’s what allows the texture to come through.
Yes, the Helios 44 K/M-4 lenses can take a little practice to get right, but that's part of the enjoyment of these lenses. Many thanks for the TTArtisan 27/2.8 suggestion - I've had a look at this lens and it looks very interesting.
Theoretically, as the multicoating increases on the lenses, they were placed there to increase light transmission between the elements of a lens. This is likely accomplished by changing the exit angle of the light ever so slightly for the different colour wavelengths. Degrees of nuance which may add up to make up the subtle differences.
Interesting - I'll have to try my two Tak 50/1.4s - one radioactive one not - as apparently radioactive glass also impacts the light transmission in a nuanced way.
Simon ...for a few seconds thought I was listening to a very clipped Donald Sutherland ...great voice...thank you for taking the time do a very very good and critical look ...people think I am nuts when I tell them about my Helios collection ...my silver one needs to be refinished ..but my I also have some modded lens one with a square aperture ...= square bokeh ...and one where the aperture has been removed and replaced with an oval aperture to emulate movie look ...I think I came to the same conclusion ..but yours will be the white paper on this matter..
I have 44-3. It is mc and has lots of blades. Gee, photographers have so many choices. Are we ever satisfied? I always use a lens hood. I also have the Biotar, which I have not yet tested. Thank you for this video.
I recently acquired a Helios 44-2. I'm told there is also a difference between factories that made them just to add to the confusion. Regardless, I've been happy with mine and will be adding to the collection. Edit: tried and tried but I cannot get swirls from this lens.
Epic test! Out off all of these, which is a more solid build? I'm guessing that would be the later lenses. I have a 44-2 and it's lens mount is very loose. Not great for video, but just fine for stills.
This may be one of the best lense reviews I've watched.
Excellent work!
Your use of the star filter exactly described the bokeh's light warp. Ive never seen anyone attempt this tool!
I'm already subscribed and I can only Thumb Up once, so accept my thanks!
Thank you so much!
There is a corollary in the spikes seen in a amateur astronomy reflecting telescope on bright stars - the supports for the secondary mirror, usually four blades, result in four spikes, you see them in observatory photos of stars. Some folks use other shapes to support the secondary but it just moves the light around, the obstruction is higher than four THIN blades. Three blades unfortunately makes six spikes! Some use two or even one but they have to be thick and they are more difficult to accurately adjust.
I agree. It is so well made that it is like a BBC documentary.Could not be better.
Most excellent study of the swirly character of the Helios 44 iterations, Simon. 👍👍👍This has got to be the very first intelligent UA-cam video analysing the various personalities of them and it has answered many of my questions. Your knowledge, time and efforts on making this one is heartily appreciated by yours truly. 🙏
Many thanks for your kind words.
Charts and graphs via controlled test are fine for lab technicians, but your testing methodology is most valuable to photographers and those of us who like using these older lenses. Thanks so much .
Thank you!
Fantastic video! I have a Helios 44M-4 which is actually from a family heirloom camera. The body is busted but the lens is in great condition! What I like from your examples is that the 44M-4 just like all the other lenses produces the swirly effect, but because of the coatings on the lens, it simultaneously produces a sharp modern look with great contrast. More motivated than ever to use it!
I'm glad to both hear this and see the test results from this video that validate that point. I have a 44-2, but was drawn to the 44M4 since the colors and sharpness seem more punchy. Then, as I'm waiting for it to arrive, suddenly notice all the posts online saying "it doesn't swirl", which made me panic a bit 😅
the best Helios video, I have the 44-3 paired with 2X anamorphic and looks great, at least for me.
Many thanks everyone for your comments and questions. The camera I used for these tests is a Pentax K-1 Full-Frame camera - with a 36MP, 35.9 x 24 mm sensor. I originally included a section at the end of the video showing how the results differed between FF and crop (1.5x) sensors. But I decided to cut out that section, and I'll post another video with those images.
Here it is - FF v APS-C: ua-cam.com/video/TtvdAJ1MQIg/v-deo.html
Definitely looking forward to it, Simon. Enquiring minds want to know how much the swirls are reduced on a 1.5x crop sensor. 🙏
Is the Helios bokeh considered to be buttery smooth, or busy and harsh? It's a bit hard to rate due to it's swirly bokeh in certain conditions.
100% would love you to repeat this experiment on APSC (e.g. Pentax KP, K3 etc) - I imagine the swirl would be much less obvious, as it becomes more pronounced at the edge of the frames.
I have a 44M-4 and use it on both a Pentax K3 (crop) and a Sony A7ii (full frame). It takes wonderful images, especially up close, and I find that when I want the most intense swirls, the full frame Sony is better. But for portraits, the crop sensor works just fine and there is enough swirl to set the scene.
@@wreford07 or perhaps just a short synopsis on the differences when used on APS -C .
Great! I have been wondering about this for MANY years. Glad to see my 44-3 MC is not a poor performer. I personally love it 👍
Well done Simon! A terrific video that answers questions I've been asking. The next thing I wonder is about copy variation in the old Russian lenses. Maybe not a practical video to make, given the number of 'identical' lenses required, but it would interesting to see what differences a person might find between several lenses of the same version. Perhaps from different factories. This video was great! Keep them coming! By the way, the photo you took of the flowers in the rain was the photo that most influenced me to pursue a Helios 44. What a beautiful photo.
Very little unless the lens was abused or taken apart. I have three Helios lenses. One a mystical 00 serial that is supposed to be magical. All three perform pretty much identically and all three are capable of excellent performance.
This video may answer your questions: ua-cam.com/video/mV3MSfl-NYI/v-deo.html
@@HaraldEngels Thanks for the recommendation. That was a great video!
@@trinityharbour7054 это не русский обьектив!а советский!
Excellent study! The starburst demonstration was particularly educational!
This overview certainly represents the apotheosis of Helios lens reviews. Excellent and intelligent review. Looks like the 42-2 is almost as pleasing as the 44 M39's (my opinion). Excellent - and intelligent - review! Thank you.
You said it best.The video is sublimely well made.
Really interesting analysis.I have both the helios 44-2 and the SMC Tak 55/1.8 so seeing this contrast was fascinating.
Extremely well done! This should be the first time I've seen someone seriously investigate the swirls. Owning a silver 44 myself I've questioned the mechanism of swirls for months and it is finally been answered. Good job!
Thank you so much for this video! You had a lot of patience and perseverance to do this analysis.
I have a 44-4, unused for about 20 years, it was produced in 1978, I have taken extraordinary photos on film.
the most beautiful and most complete review I've found here on UA-cam. Thanks for these test differences, I own a 44m, the only one I've found. when I took it I thought I hadn't taken the best that existed but I settled for it. I'm much more confident now. thank you
fantastic comparison, a joy to watch
thanks, Simon. Great to see an objective test rather than the speculative comments I have seen in other places this is really an excellent video, of vintage lens nerds like me.
Talking about how bleak it is when you filmed in midwinter... proceeds to show a beautiful flower. You certainly have different winters than the ones I get! Great video nonetheless, super informative and a fun watch!
Yes, our winters are mild, but dark and damp.
The great trick of the Biotar design is that it is a strongly asymmetric "double gauss" (where both parts (front doublet and rear doublet) are different. The doublet in the internal section (from the diaphragm) is smaller, with much more pronounced curves ).
Most of the bright "normals" from Japanese brands (50-55-58 f 1.8, 1.4 or 1.2) are based on a more symmetrical gauss design (derived from Xenon or Planar, where both sides of the lens are more similar).
Most manufacturers split the 1st doublet in two pieces (like the Xenon design), but the 2nd doublet (inner side of the diaphragm) is more similar to the "detached doublet" on the front. Both sides are more symmetrical than in a Biotar)
I recently put my hands on a Nikkor S Auto 5.8cm f1.4, Nikon's first reflex lens with that aperture. (1960-62 approx) Relatively few were manufactured, because a few years later they managed to manufacture the famous S Auto 50 f1.4, which performs much better optically (less distortion and spherical aberration) The thing is that the 5.8cm design is much more like a Biotar (huge front section, reduced rear section with a doublet with steep curvature) It's a strange early attempt of gauss, but very asymmetrical. And as such, in certain circumstances it generates a soft kind of "swirl". The subsequent lenses (50 f1.4 Pre ais, 55 f1,2 pre ais) are "planar" designs, symmetrical gauss, and does not generate that level of swirl
Here interesting information, good reading
www.lensrentals.com/blog/2011/08/lens-geneology-part-1/
after your videos i decided to buy 44m-4 and it is very good lens :)
Helios Bokeh Tutorial Nr.1. on UA-cam! Thank you! 👍
What a marvellous work for those who love the vintage, especially the cheapo Russian lenses 😊
For artistic portrait uses, a lot of people forget that these have a bigger image circle than 36x24, so you can tilt them a little, especially on mirrorless cameras!
With Pentax K-1 one can shift the sensor towards all corners and take four pictures to use for one stitched image. It would be nice to see how these lenses behave with this method used.
Thank you, an excellent video and one which has made me think much more about composition and lighting.
I think that your conclusions related to the physical aspects of the lens form are most valid.
As an old newspaper reporter once said to me when I asked him what did he consider the best camera and lens to use. His reply was: "The one given to me".
Love your approach! You ask the question, do experiments, and then come up with the answer supported by evidence
Thank you so much for this review and thorough work! This is just the information I was looking for and helped me a lot. Best Phil
I truly appreciate your effort in preparing this and all of your videos. I have spent a few cold Saturday afternoons testing sharpness and ISO of the cameras and lenses I have collected. It does take a lot of work to perform then organize the data. I have a 44m that I have only used a few times. A side note that you may want to warn your subscribers about is finding a good M42 to Pentax K adapter. Until I purchased an original Pentax adapter I thought my M42 lenses were all soft while used for landscape photography. It turns out the 2 Chinese made adapters I had purchased are too thick causing the lenses to not focus to infinity. Cheers, from a subscriber who lives near Chicago.
Many thanks for your kind words. Guess we both live in climates where testing cameras and lenses is a fun activity in the winter!! (Although I'd welcome more sunlight). And you've so right about the benefits of using an original Pentax adapter.
It took me a while to find, but sir Simon..... You gave me the answers that I needed.
Excellent and super informative. Thank you for taking the time to create and share this.
Many thanks to the author of the video! For years I wondered about the same questions that are finally answered in this video. Kudos for your work!
Your video is outstanding,sublimely well made.I subscribed after watching it and others of yours too. A masterclass in Helios lenses but also in how to do a lens comparison.Your video is so well made, from the narration,graphics,production and content that it would not be out of place if broadcast as a documentary on BBC 2 TV .I salute you Sir. Looking forward to picking up a Zenit camera this week which comes with an 44M-7.Kind regards and thanks from an Irish amateur photographer,living in Brazil. Edit: P.S Your photography is absolutely stunning.
Cheers for this Simon. I just came across a Zenit 11 with a 44M-4 and I knew as soon as I saw the Helios name that there was meant to be something special about these lenses, but I wasn't sure what it was. A few youtube searches later and I came across your wonderful, detailed breakdown of the various versions, which is all I needed to confirm the price for this one with the camera body is pretty reasonable and I'll be grabbing an adapter to throw this on my EOS R and enjoy some cool looking images thanks to this lens.
Your video was well put together and very in depth and I appreciate the time you have put into this.
Many thanks for your kind words - hope the lens is working well (with a little post-processing :))
AWESOME Dude, If you are looking for a Helios lens, You have come to the right chanell....Brilliant Video along with the best information out there...
I appreciate this asI am looking for a Helios lens at the moment and I feel that this essentially gives me a little more leeway to go with a tighter budget and get more or less a clean example at the best price without worrying too much about getting a specific one. It will be nice in time to expand upon that, but for now, that's where I will stand.
Simon, I have you to thank/blame for my current obsession with M42 vintage lenses. I have two Helios 44 lenses (a 44-2 and a 44M-4) and it’s good to see that they both produce similar swirly bokeh. Only problem with your many excellent videos is that they make these lenses more sought after, pushing up their prices.
Estou completamente admirado com o nível de detalhamento desse vídeo, parabéns pelo empenho. Parabéns 👏👏👏
Impressão minha ou não fala sobre 44M 5?
@@kleveroliveira3769 não fala mesmo, e eu logo comprei uma ontem antes de ver esse vídeo 😔
tomara que faça pelo menos um pouco de redemoinho
@@kevinkaleski205 ele mencionou no outro vídeo sobre as versões que ele não tem, mas que pelo que já testou é a pior de todas kkkkk que parada
I have four of those lenses. The 44 (M39) is one of them and I love it. Unfortunately my camera is APS-C (Canon 1300D), so I do not have all the swirl this lenses can give... Excellent video!
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Another excellent and technically informative video. You went to a lot of time and effort to test and report on all the lenses. If one lens had been the clear winner, then I guess that we would all rush out to purchase that version. So good to know that they are very similar. My first Helios was a 44M and unbeknown to me had the front element reversed. So purchased a second Helios last year, the early silver 44 with 13 blades. Had to be serviced because of the stiff focusing. Wonderful swirls and was surprised with the saturated colors. Also the internal flare can really add to the mood of some images.
Many thanks Rod! You must have been very put off by that reversed front element!!
Thank you for making this video. just what i need.
Great video! Thank you for the effort to put your Helios 44 collection through the paces. I guess I have to dust off my own Helios 44 collection (at least 9 lenses, probably 10) and use these more often again, especially for catching their swirly bokeh. Interestingly I own the same lenses which you tested but the 44 I have in two silver versions, one with 8 blades and one with 13 blades. When I was building my collection I left out the 44M-5 since it doesn't have any specific relevance compared with the 44M-4 (same resolution of 41/20 lp/mm). The lenses which I was using most (in the past) were the 44M-7 and the 44M-4 which are both producing beautiful pictures straight out of the camera (Sony A7 and Sony A7R III). By buying an old Sony A7, a Helios 44 variant (58mm) and a MIR-1B (37mm) everyone can (technically seen) start to shoot great looking full-frame vintage prime lens pictures with a relatively small investment.
Thank you! We clearly share very similar experiences - except that I've never taken the plunge with a MIR-1B!
Excellent tests performed and very comprehensive! Thank you so much for this. I own the 44M-7 and it's great to see the differences as well as the similarities across versions in a controlled environment and presented in a factual manner. More power! :)
Incredible investigative work, thank you so much for your time, effort and dedication in making this comprehensive deep-dive
Thank you for a very informative video. Now that you've confirmed the lack of any real difference, I can sell off 2 and keep my early 13 blade version.
Incredibly well done!! Your use of the starburst for a 3D 'view' is a brilliant & insightful idea!!
An excellent, very well thought out and produced comparison. Thank you.
Excellent video! Well done. Finally, I understood I swirls are created ... Many thanks.
Que buen trabajo. Te lo agradezco, es una buena tesis y muy bien argumentada. Gran aporte, saludos desde Chile.
You did a great job analyzing the topic, thank you!
You're very welcome!
Stumbled over your review which helped me to narrow down my choice, so I found a 44-3 (MMZ) yesterday for a good price and since you got me attentive to what to look for, I bought it. First tests and yeah, you are right. Thanks. I don't know if I will buy other copies, but at least I know before I buy.
Thank you! The best comparison video for this lens❤
Excellent video. Very helpful/informative. Thank you very much for this and all your previous videos. I am a big fan. I have the 44 (M42) and use it on an Olympus OMD 5III. I've had challenges getting a lot of swirly bokeh, probably because of the micro 4/3 two-crop factor. But I do enjoy the lens and still get creative images. Thanks again.
Another very interesting video Simon. I've always been put off considering the older versions of the lens as I wanted the swirl effect. This shows that in the correct conditions any version can produce similar results.
Late to the party, but a real nice video Sir !
I really enjoyed watching it
I'm getting a Helios and going for a 44-2
Simon
Thanks for the review I've been wanting to get one of theses lenses for awhile now I have a better idea which one I want to get
What an awesome video. The amount of work behind is immense! Thank you! Could you please make a tutorial on how to make that starry filter?
Thank you! I used a printer to make the filter in the video. I'm fortunate to have access to a printer that can print onto thick objects. However, you can make the shape using paper, if you're patient enough to cut out the shape. I posted a video on this some time ago: ua-cam.com/video/O6AuYf4ndKQ/v-deo.html
Good timing. I just got given a 44M a few days back. So far loving the thing. Definitely major swirl going on. Very clear and pronounced. I've not purposefully tried to make it swirl, either. Impossible to actually see the swirls through the viewfinder of my particular camera. and the screen on the back is tiny and low res. So I only get to see it when I get back home. For how little these lenses go for, particularly the earlier models, it's madness not to have at least one. I've been eying an M-7 for a while, too. From what I've seen others make with one, it looks incredible. Sharper than it has any right to be. =D That alone seems like a huge difference to the earlier unnumbered M. This thing loves the softness. Makes for some incredible portraiture. and with the swirls, they really just halo your subject nicely.
Yes, I've just acquired a second 44M-4 and took it out for a walk today, expecting it to be as centre-sharp as the 44M-7 I've been using recently...but it's not!!
So thorough and professional, thank you!!
Very interesting, Simon. The Helios 44 lenses are great lenses. True classics like the Tessar 50s. I've had four of them, two 44 M-4s, a 44 M-6, and a 44-3. Each seems to have its own character. When I downsized my collection, I kept the sharper of the 44 M-4s and the 44-3, and after watching this I guess I might be shooting with them this week. I have to say that I don't much care for swirly bokeh preferring the creamy type myself. Thanks for making these videos. Modern autofocus lenses can produce good images, but the older manual focus lenses are very special as your pictures attest.
Great video, thanks for all of your effort. I own a 44M and I've also shot a 44-2. I have a couple of thoughts for you:
1. Regarding your starburst filter: since that was screwed into your front threads and, as you pointed out, the front elements are recessed further in the earlier designs, I suspect that the difference that you're seeing in the starburst patterns in your images is from vignetting caused by the lens body itself and not the optical design. To really test that theory, you'd need to insert a pattern much closer to the aperture. It may be easy enough to do with the 44M since there is some space between the rear element assembly and the iris. I'd be really curious to see if this makes a difference.
2. I have found that the swirly pattern depends somewhat on where you have the lens focused to. 2m seems to be a sweet spot for my 44M, but I haven't tested this rigorously.
Thank you - I wondered about the impact of the recessed front element, and if I have time I'll try the test you suggest. In terms of the sweet spot, I've also found that 2m is good for my 44s, but for the Helios 40, it's further away, sometimes twice that distance.
Nice review! Now I want to go outside and play with my 44M which I haven't used for ages. I also have a tilt adapter for it which can add to the fun 😊
Thank you for your videos, I learn a lot from them. Objective and judicious, you correctly evaluate subjective characteristics, which helps a lot who wants more information about vintage lenses. Do you plan to make a video about 55mm f1.2 yashinon (tomioka)?
Thanks!
Many thanks - yes, I'll be doing a review of my Tomioka Auto Revuenon 55mm f.2.
Brilliant and comprehensive.. thank you so much!
Amazing video! Thank you for the extensive tests! 👌🏻
This an amazing study, been a fan of your reviews for a while 🙂.
Very interesting, thanks for doing this test!
Great video. Many thanks for your effort! Good to know that every version is basically the same. Thanks :)
Seems the older lens gives the better contrast.
(at 11:20) The chart to compare 8 lenses is very helpful and straight forward. Thank you.
that answered all my questions, thanks for the detailed video.
Fantastic review. I do see quite a bit difference in the outdoor pink rose shot between, as you say, the swirly "coherence" of the older lens compared to the newer ones. Bokeh balls appear more consistently bright on the older lens and also just more consistent period on the older lens versus the newer one, though the flaring of the 44M-7 in the upper left is creating a quite pleasing image as well.
That was extremely well done and interesting.
Oh, that seems the best and most comprehensive Helios swirlyness test out there! Very nice trick with the star filter
A note on contrast though. Seems newer models (M6/7) had lesser contrast not by accident. They are produced on Valday optical plant, but (as was always considered) the best ones are from Krasnogorsk (KMZ).
By the logos it seems all the others (aside from black 44 and 44-3 which are BelOMO) are KMZ. That's why they are better.
Also I'm much surprised M6 and 7 are good! They are from 90s, when it all had fallen apart in Russia, so production was cheapened. So I personally stayed away from them, despite wanted to get one just because of how they look. Nice to know they are good too!
I've recently acquired a 44M-4 made at the Valdai factory, so I'll be able to see how it much it differs from my other 44M-4 made at KMZ. Apparently, the Helios 44M-7 were selected as the best quality out of the lens production, while the less good lenses were labelled 5 or 6. (I'm not sure this is 100% true, perhaps someone can confirm this). My 6 and 7 are solid lenses, with good optics, but both suffer from stiff focus rings - caused by the helicoid grease used..
Very informative and illustrating video - and good work, Thanx!
Правильная мысль по поводу контрастности. 44 М-7 с блендой на месте светофильтра дает значительно более контрастную и более закрученную картинку в стоке, чем без бленды.
Спасибо!
what an incredibly informative comparison video. going to be helpful to many. though I still find myself confused which one to opt for regarding their optical acuity and contrast levels
Great video. I have known this for a long time, but people have their own misconceptions. Honestly, I think there is more misinformation out there about soviet lenses than pravda ever put out there. It's great to see a level headed and honest video.
Great video! Thanks for all the work you put into it 👍
Detail to describe and analyse these helios lenses versions, thank you!
I have two copies of the Helios 44-2. Each are slightly different in terms of contrast and colour rendering - if compared to where they were originally manufactured. It’s a personal thing, but I have never cared for either glare nor flare, and as I like the tonal properties of low contrast optics, I use a lens hood. And not just any old off the shelf cheapo, but something handmade to be very deep and very wide, and extremely black inside. It makes a huge difference to the Helios image quality. Also, the rendering of swirl is very much dependent on the size of the sensor’s light wells. I don’t own any of the shallow recessed versions, and to my eye they look muddy. But a question I ask myself is:- do all the different Helios versions have the same glass? I’m not so sure about that. Anyway, thank you for your very thoughtful and well presented analysis.
Yes, amongst the things I learned from tests outdoors - a very deep hood helps! I'm not sure about the glass either...something to research.
This video is very good! You just answered to everything i wanted to know. I just had bought a 44-m6 for a very low price because it has some minor problems. I think that, later, i'll buy a 44m-7...
Wonderful study, thank you so much for posting !
Woo. Love the swirl on demand set up! Wonder if a narrow hood would affect the star filter(great tool btw)
Helios coating are quite different even among lenses of the same generation/model.
Very useful, thanks! Keeping my 44M-4 :-)
Great video! This was very very useful!
Also do you think you could recommend a close focus swirly lens? I like to photograph little mushrooms and that swirl is a great effect with those
Great video. Quite surprising to see how similar the swirls are between the versions despite clear differences with the star filter.
I prefer the earlier lenses mostly for their construction and preset aperture - somehow more satisfying to use a 'survivor' than the later lenses which feel more contemporary in use.
absolutely brilliant what a good review, I have the 44-2 and the m version both interesting, i also have a helios 85-210 zoom and that is a brilliant lens also has a macro setting!
Very relaxing experience. Like to see some nighttime traffic work.
Just got my 44K-4 on Friday. Figured I have some Pentax cameras, and it’d be easier to have a lens I don’t need to adapt to at least some cameras. It’s been fun to shoot with so far. One thing I’m noticing is how often I actually need to stop down a little. There needs to be enough detail in the background for it to start swirling some, so when I’m close to the subject and the background is farther away, stopping down a touch seems to help.
It makes me realize part of what makes the TTArtisan 27/2.8 such a good swirling lens as far as APS-C autofocus lenses go: the out of focus areas have enough definition that it’s all just smooth, and that’s what allows the texture to come through.
Yes, the Helios 44 K/M-4 lenses can take a little practice to get right, but that's part of the enjoyment of these lenses. Many thanks for the TTArtisan 27/2.8 suggestion - I've had a look at this lens and it looks very interesting.
I'm always waiting your video simon 😍😍
Thank you for this video!
Thanks mate ! You make the internet useful and beautiful
Usually, you don't help my LBA, but this time you have. I have a 44-2, and don't see any reason to add more!
Thanks!
fantastic comparison!
Glad you enjoyed it.
Theoretically, as the multicoating increases on the lenses, they were placed there to increase light transmission between the elements of a lens. This is likely accomplished by changing the exit angle of the light ever so slightly for the different colour wavelengths. Degrees of nuance which may add up to make up the subtle differences.
Interesting - I'll have to try my two Tak 50/1.4s - one radioactive one not - as apparently radioactive glass also impacts the light transmission in a nuanced way.
Thank you SIMON, Good stuff
Very informational, thank you love you :)
Simon, the image on the 44M at about 1'40sec would print beautifully on Awagami paper.
Enjoyed this comparison. Thank you.
Yes, I must get this printed properly one day!
Simon ...for a few seconds thought I was listening to a very clipped Donald Sutherland ...great voice...thank you for taking the time do a very very good and critical look ...people think I am nuts when I tell them about my Helios collection ...my silver one needs to be refinished ..but my I also have some modded lens one with a square aperture ...= square bokeh ...and one where the aperture has been removed and replaced with an oval aperture to emulate movie look ...I think I came to the same conclusion ..but yours will be the white paper on this matter..
Thank you. People told me I used to look a little like Donald Sutherland apparently (with curly hair)!!!
@@Simonsutak I am trying to play catch on all of your videos ...
for the first time I see such a scientific approach in determining glare👏
I have 44-3. It is mc and has lots of blades. Gee, photographers have so many choices. Are we ever satisfied? I always use a lens hood. I also have the Biotar, which I have not yet tested. Thank you for this video.
I recently acquired a Helios 44-2. I'm told there is also a difference between factories that made them just to add to the confusion. Regardless, I've been happy with mine and will be adding to the collection. Edit: tried and tried but I cannot get swirls from this lens.
you cant get swirls??? was thinking of buying one but im scared thisll happen...
Epic test! Out off all of these, which is a more solid build? I'm guessing that would be the later lenses. I have a 44-2 and it's lens mount is very loose. Not great for video, but just fine for stills.
Yes, my 44-2s wobble a bit on the mount. From the 44-3 onwards, the build/mount is more solid.