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Thank you for this awesome video and especially for explaining how to expose in dark situations! I've always wondered how and finally got an answer! Will practice this now ha
Thats good to hear that you have to way over expose in darker situations. Just today I had to bump my iso to 6400 and when I brought it back into Premiere Pro it looked way over exposed. Left me feeling like I did something wrong. I had to color correct 1 1/3rd of a stop.
I have the R5, not much of a video creator, I made a small video yesterday but havent graded it yet, Will download the LUT you suggested. I had not selected Cinema colour space. See how I go, your suggestion to over expose is something I’ll look into. The movie was of Melbourne’s Yarra River from Princes Bridge. Midday overcast day.
Great video straight to the point 👍🏻 I will try these techniques again soon and hopefully it will help because my problem is that no matter how I expose my shot I can’t get rid of the noise in my shot. I don’t just have noise in the shadows but in the whole image and it’s super frustrating 😩
I am having the same issue with my R6 and R7. Did you find a solution? I see that the other canon profiles produce a clearer image even when using high iso like 3200 and 6400 compared to using clog3 at 800 or 1600
@@AndresArosemena i think my problem is just that I am not pulling my blacks and shadows down far enough in post and just need a lot more light. I noticed outside the noise is better
Hi Pascal, I struggled for a long time trying to shoot in LOG on my Canon R and my Sony A7iii until I realised the important difference between 8 bit and 10bit. Now I have upgraded to the Sony A7iv I shoot LOG all the time and simply apply a correction and Phantom LUT and I am very happy with the results.
It was the same for me on Panasonic. Graded 8bit log for 2 years and it was a nightmare. Then I discovered 10bit and it has become a must for every camera I buy. Phantom LUTs are awesome btw.
@@pascalbasel I thought that in my first time with canon, but nope. The problem was the canon official lut. I crafted my own lut and now I’m really happy with the results. Canon has another texture, it remember me to blackmagic pcc 6k.
It’s funny that everyone you watch has a different zebra lvl for clog footage. One person says 35, another says 85, another says 70 another says 55 and you say 60 lol. I love you tube lol
Simple and to the point! Thank you for covering all aspects of shooting in CLOG3! Is there any time when CLOG is a better choice? And do we need to expose differently when using CLOG?
I use CLOG 1 when shooting indoors or in dark environments like concerts or inside buildings, or real estate since it results in less noise in the final shot. The only downside is it has a little less flexibility when color correcting, but it's not bad. I would recommend giving it a try and seeing what you think.
CLOG1 only looks less noisy because it has less dynamic range. So the noise floor gets cut off, but you capture less information. You can get the same in CLOG3 by pulling the shadows down in the color grade, what actually looks better. Most of the time, the noise is not visible after the color grade anyway. The purpose of shooting in LOG is to capture as much dynamic range as possible, so I‘d always shoot CLOG3. CLOG1 is pointless.
@pascalbasel I see what you are saying. I've always had a noise problem with CLOG 3, even when filming outside. Even though I adjust the exposure to mid-way I still get noise in the shadows. What am I doing wrong, and should I use cinema gamut or bt709.
@@ZTlink If you see noise before color grading, but not after it’s all good. That’s how it should be. If you still see noise, you’ve under-exposed. In some, dark shots you might see a bit of noise in the shadows, but that’s still better than black shadows. There’s also noise reduction software available but not needed 95% of the time from my experience. Of course use cinema gamut.
I would like to point out that in Canon, in order to squeeze out the max out of the camera, Canon advises to set the ISO to 800. This is a reasonably high ISO during a daylight so you need an ND filter to reduce the amount of light, otherwise the video will be overexposed. When shooting at ISO other than ISO you don't get the maximum effect. What's your take on that?
@@pascalbasel Not really, you can set whatever ISO you want but in a daylight ISO 800 is too high so without an ND filter you are stuck in a very high aperture range between 16-22, otherwise the image will be totally overexposed.
Hi Pascal :). You mention the Resolve Color Managed Workflow. Does ist convert the log file *after* all other adjustments, so that no information gets lost (as you also mention in the video, is important)?
Hello, I'm just starting to learn about C-Log and I have a few questions. Why did you use a low shutter speed and high ISO in the video at 2:18? Wouldn't that affect the video results and make it noisy? Or do ISO and shutter not work the same way when using C-Log, so it doesn't matter if the ISO is that high?
I have been shooting in C log for a year now using Canon Rex 709 lut. I am looking for a different lut for some reason the look has changed quite a bit and when I tried to edit in premiere I always mess it up
When I film with C-Log, my image doesn't look sharp enough when color correcting and even if I sharpen it, my face looks blurry all the same. What am I doing wrong? Because your video looks great.
Hi, I really respect your work and heed your advice often. However, the intent of shooting LOG with any camera should be coupled with the CST, color space transform, in post. I’m no professional but believe this to be true. I’ll explain. All the companies develop a Log profile such that it should be coupled with THEIR CST in post. Canon, Sony, Red, ARRI … they are all there in DaVinci Resolve. All you need to do is apply the CST to the clip or clips to render it out to a well balanced look. You are not meant to apply a LUT or attempt to color grade as the CST’s are scientifically created to balance it for you. I’ve seen many videos where people do not understand the entire concept of Log. There are very little adjustments that I apply after I apply the CST in order to get to an excellent starting point. Regardless, I really enjoy your work, progress, and videos. You are an inspiration to many.
That‘s exactly why I mentioned color manged wirkflow at the end. It’s even easier than CSTs and better than LUTs. However, sometimes people don’t have CSTs (in Final Cut for example), and LUTs work as well as long as corrections are done before it gets applied.
@@pascalbasel thanks for responding. To be honest, I have not used LUTS yet. I assume that they are used to provide a quick and easy look to a clip, and that it’s easy to apply that look to many other clips to provide uniformity. However, I just assume experiment with the look manually to zone in on my particular want as opposed to thumbing through a ton of lots with the hope of finding what I want. But honestly, I’m not a professional and don’t have a lot experience with this. Perhaps, someday I will gain more experience and use LUTS.
@@pascalbasel Hello again Pascal, My wife and I went out to dinner last night and I wanted to try a bunch of techniques that you have offered in your videos. One thing I did with this video is NOT color correct or edit on the Color Page. I’m certainly interested in your critique. It’s okay, I can take it. This was not a project that I worked hard on. Just a quick thing to try some techniques. Fondue Dinner in Ville Close, Concarneau France ua-cam.com/video/eVAYoOJw8OM/v-deo.html
I tried uploading some clog3 footage into the free version of Resolve…and wouldn’t play back, likely because it’s 10 bit. Do you have a work around for this? Thx!
Hi man! Warum hast du kein Banding im Video, speziell ganz am Ende in deinem dunklen Studio. Hab damit echt Probleme und würde es gern reduzieren. Kannst du mir helfen?
Does input color space adjustment convert to file to REC709? Should i apply CinemaGamut_CanonLog3-to-BT709_WideDR_17_FF_Ver.2.0.cube to this file after conversion?
Great video, thanks! I'm a new R8 owner. I tried to follow your instructions here. I set the camera to 4K 29.97 IPB, CLOG3, Cinema Gamut (also tried BT.709). Tried two different SD cards including a v90 card. Set camera to Manual mode, ISO to 800. Shot some video clips. Tried to import on a Windows 10 PC into Davinci Resolve, only shows audio, no video. Tried to import into Cyberlink Power Director, it crashes the software. Tried playing the file on VLC, it works but is glitchy. If I switch back to Auto mode on the camera the videos are fine. Any ideas? Seems like the video files are corrupt.
Can someone help me? I just bought canon r6 mkii and i get a lot of noise shooting with clog3. At 200 and 400 iso it doesn't seem that much but then at 800 there's a lot, even in scenarios with good light. Does anyone know why this is happening? I have canon eos r, i compare them side by side and the r6 is much noisier :/
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Thank you for this awesome video and especially for explaining how to expose in dark situations! I've always wondered how and finally got an answer! Will practice this now ha
Glad it was helpful!
Thats good to hear that you have to way over expose in darker situations. Just today I had to bump my iso to 6400 and when I brought it back into Premiere Pro it looked way over exposed. Left me feeling like I did something wrong. I had to color correct 1 1/3rd of a stop.
I have the R5, not much of a video creator, I made a small video yesterday but havent graded it yet, Will download the LUT you suggested. I had not selected Cinema colour space. See how I go, your suggestion to over expose is something I’ll look into. The movie was of Melbourne’s Yarra River from Princes Bridge. Midday overcast day.
Do you use an external monitor?
@@sjcproductionsandmedia no, not when creating the video.
Great video straight to the point 👍🏻 I will try these techniques again soon and hopefully it will help because my problem is that no matter how I expose my shot I can’t get rid of the noise in my shot. I don’t just have noise in the shadows but in the whole image and it’s super frustrating 😩
I am having the same issue with my R6 and R7. Did you find a solution? I see that the other canon profiles produce a clearer image even when using high iso like 3200 and 6400 compared to using clog3 at 800 or 1600
@@AndresArosemena sadly I have not
@@AndresArosemena i think my problem is just that I am not pulling my blacks and shadows down far enough in post and just need a lot more light. I noticed outside the noise is better
Hi Pascal, I struggled for a long time trying to shoot in LOG on my Canon R and my Sony A7iii until I realised the important difference between 8 bit and 10bit. Now I have upgraded to the Sony A7iv I shoot LOG all the time and simply apply a correction and Phantom LUT and I am very happy with the results.
It was the same for me on Panasonic. Graded 8bit log for 2 years and it was a nightmare. Then I discovered 10bit and it has become a must for every camera I buy. Phantom LUTs are awesome btw.
I used phantom lut with saturation and contrast on my a7iv’s footage and it’s amazing. With my canon r6 mk2 is totally different
@@EMVico I think it's the dynamic range difference.
@@pascalbasel I thought that in my first time with canon, but nope. The problem was the canon official lut. I crafted my own lut and now I’m really happy with the results. Canon has another texture, it remember me to blackmagic pcc 6k.
@@EMVicohello! Do you use a conversion lut + phantom luts for your R6 II?
It’s funny that everyone you watch has a different zebra lvl for clog footage. One person says 35, another says 85, another says 70 another says 55 and you say 60 lol. I love you tube lol
Maybe they all measure something else with it?
@@pascalbasel every video were measuring skin tones. Talk about confusing lol
lol I thought the same thing
@@WebworxAgency I just use the histogram now lol
Read my mind bro😂
As far as I remember Canon also has False Colors on their new cameras right?
Yes, but it only works if view assist is turned off. So it's not really useable.
Круто, спасибо ) Буду пробовать и изучать лог в моём R8. 👍
Good stuff. thanks! Thumbs up!
Thank you very much!
tHANK YOU FOR THIS, it made a lot of sense.
great tips, thanks!
Interesting video! take care there! stay in touch with you! keep it up with your content!
Love the video. tahnks
Simple and to the point! Thank you for covering all aspects of shooting in CLOG3! Is there any time when CLOG is a better choice? And do we need to expose differently when using CLOG?
No point in using CLOG.
I use CLOG 1 when shooting indoors or in dark environments like concerts or inside buildings, or real estate since it results in less noise in the final shot. The only downside is it has a little less flexibility when color correcting, but it's not bad. I would recommend giving it a try and seeing what you think.
CLOG1 only looks less noisy because it has less dynamic range. So the noise floor gets cut off, but you capture less information. You can get the same in CLOG3 by pulling the shadows down in the color grade, what actually looks better.
Most of the time, the noise is not visible after the color grade anyway.
The purpose of shooting in LOG is to capture as much dynamic range as possible, so I‘d always shoot CLOG3. CLOG1 is pointless.
@pascalbasel I see what you are saying. I've always had a noise problem with CLOG 3, even when filming outside. Even though I adjust the exposure to mid-way I still get noise in the shadows. What am I doing wrong, and should I use cinema gamut or bt709.
@@ZTlink If you see noise before color grading, but not after it’s all good. That’s how it should be. If you still see noise, you’ve under-exposed. In some, dark shots you might see a bit of noise in the shadows, but that’s still better than black shadows. There’s also noise reduction software available but not needed 95% of the time from my experience. Of course use cinema gamut.
Thanks! Thumbs up!
Great vid, thanks!
Question, which of the Canon Luts provided in the free downloads would you use for a low light situation?
Whatever you like best. LUTs don’t matter for low light.
I would like to point out that in Canon, in order to squeeze out the max out of the camera, Canon advises to set the ISO to 800. This is a reasonably high ISO during a daylight so you need an ND filter to reduce the amount of light, otherwise the video will be overexposed. When shooting at ISO other than ISO you don't get the maximum effect. What's your take on that?
Iso 800 is base iso for CLOG 3. You can’t even set a lower iso as far as I remember. For all other profiles, I‘d set it to the lowest.
@@pascalbasel Not really, you can set whatever ISO you want but in a daylight ISO 800 is too high so without an ND filter you are stuck in a very high aperture range between 16-22, otherwise the image will be totally overexposed.
Thanks for the video. I came to a conclusion that with R6 in dark conditions the best way is not use CLog at all. This might give you less noice
How do you find working with Canon CLOG3? Too complicated or quite easy?
Hi Pascal :). You mention the Resolve Color Managed Workflow. Does ist convert the log file *after* all other adjustments, so that no information gets lost (as you also mention in the video, is important)?
Hello, I'm just starting to learn about C-Log and I have a few questions. Why did you use a low shutter speed and high ISO in the video at 2:18? Wouldn't that affect the video results and make it noisy? Or do ISO and shutter not work the same way when using C-Log, so it doesn't matter if the ISO is that high?
and what will happen if i change the number of zebra?
Shutter speed is correct, double of 24frames per second…
how to use zebra? when stripes appear is it good or bad? Should they appear or disappear completely?
You are looking for them to appear on skin if you set them to 55.
I have been shooting in C log for a year now using Canon Rex 709 lut. I am looking for a different lut for some reason the look has changed quite a bit and when I tried to edit in premiere I always mess it up
Hi Pascal, mind if I ask what conversion lut you use? The colors on your video looks really good!
I use DaVinci Resolve Color Management.
When I film with C-Log, my image doesn't look sharp enough when color correcting and even if I sharpen it, my face looks blurry all the same. What am I doing wrong? Because your video looks great.
Sounds like focus
@@pascalbasel Even with autofocus, face tracking, eye tracking, etc., the situation doesn't change.
thank you for your tips, but nothing about ISO ?
What about it?
@@pascalbasel which iso to set for clog ? Some say you shouldn’t go below 800 is it true ?
Hi,
I really respect your work and heed your advice often.
However, the intent of shooting LOG with any camera should be coupled with the CST, color space transform, in post. I’m no professional but believe this to be true. I’ll explain. All the companies develop a Log profile such that it should be coupled with THEIR CST in post. Canon, Sony, Red, ARRI … they are all there in DaVinci Resolve. All you need to do is apply the CST to the clip or clips to render it out to a well balanced look. You are not meant to apply a LUT or attempt to color grade as the CST’s are scientifically created to balance it for you. I’ve seen many videos where people do not understand the entire concept of Log.
There are very little adjustments that I apply after I apply the CST in order to get to an excellent starting point.
Regardless, I really enjoy your work, progress, and videos. You are an inspiration to many.
That‘s exactly why I mentioned color manged wirkflow at the end. It’s even easier than CSTs and better than LUTs. However, sometimes people don’t have CSTs (in Final Cut for example), and LUTs work as well as long as corrections are done before it gets applied.
@@pascalbasel thanks for responding. To be honest, I have not used LUTS yet. I assume that they are used to provide a quick and easy look to a clip, and that it’s easy to apply that look to many other clips to provide uniformity. However, I just assume experiment with the look manually to zone in on my particular want as opposed to thumbing through a ton of lots with the hope of finding what I want. But honestly, I’m not a professional and don’t have a lot experience with this. Perhaps, someday I will gain more experience and use LUTS.
@@pascalbasel Hello again Pascal,
My wife and I went out to dinner last night and I wanted to try a bunch of techniques that you have offered in your videos. One thing I did with this video is NOT color correct or edit on the Color Page. I’m certainly interested in your critique. It’s okay, I can take it. This was not a project that I worked hard on. Just a quick thing to try some techniques.
Fondue Dinner in Ville Close, Concarneau France
ua-cam.com/video/eVAYoOJw8OM/v-deo.html
In my experience, official canon luts added a lot of magenta in my footage.
Yeah, color management looks better.
I tried uploading some clog3 footage into the free version of Resolve…and wouldn’t play back, likely because it’s 10 bit.
Do you have a work around for this? Thx!
Yes, get the studio version ;-)
do you convert to Rec 709 before adding the LUT?
Hi man! Warum hast du kein Banding im Video, speziell ganz am Ende in deinem dunklen Studio. Hab damit echt Probleme und würde es gern reduzieren. Kannst du mir helfen?
In 10bit aufnehmen und graden, am besten mit Resolve color management.
How about ISO? Do you manually set that up and if so to what value?
Either 800 or 3200 as these are the base isos.
@@pascalbasel Thanks!
@@pascalbaseldo the r6 and r7 also have dual base iso? Or just the r5?
Does input color space adjustment convert to file to REC709? Should i apply CinemaGamut_CanonLog3-to-BT709_WideDR_17_FF_Ver.2.0.cube to this file after conversion?
Yes 👍 apply the cinema gamut to Rec 709 to get a standard image and then if you want you can color grade it after that.
Great video, thanks! I'm a new R8 owner. I tried to follow your instructions here. I set the camera to 4K 29.97 IPB, CLOG3, Cinema Gamut (also tried BT.709). Tried two different SD cards including a v90 card. Set camera to Manual mode, ISO to 800. Shot some video clips. Tried to import on a Windows 10 PC into Davinci Resolve, only shows audio, no video. Tried to import into Cyberlink Power Director, it crashes the software. Tried playing the file on VLC, it works but is glitchy. If I switch back to Auto mode on the camera the videos are fine. Any ideas? Seems like the video files are corrupt.
....annnnd I figured it out. 4K 29.97 IPB apparenlty captures in H.265. I have to convert the files to H.264 before I can import them into Davinci.
That‘s why people use Macs. It just works 😉
Indeed.@@pascalbasel
What's weirder (to me) is that the R8 shoots certain formats in H.264 and others in H.265.
@@gregandlarshow did you convert the video?
Can someone help me? I just bought canon r6 mkii and i get a lot of noise shooting with clog3. At 200 and 400 iso it doesn't seem that much but then at 800 there's a lot, even in scenarios with good light. Does anyone know why this is happening? I have canon eos r, i compare them side by side and the r6 is much noisier :/
Do you see the noise before or after color grading? if only before, it doesn’t matter. Otherwise, expose brighter.
R6mk2 is only good for photos, too crippled for video