Actually, their metric is "were you drafted by a Canadian NHL team not called the Leafs? No? Then no U-20 for you." This is actually the criteria they have employed for years now. Same with 4-nations cup where the only players on Canadian teams other than the Leafs are Montambault (the mandatory Quebecer) and McDavid. That's it!!
@@Crc64-m3t "I’d say every country has a chance in that" Except of those who weren't invited... But enjoy your nonsensical 4 nations "cup". I will not watch it.
Bad coaching and roster decisions. Politics is destroying Canadian hockey. Parakh, Yamechuk, Misa, Sennecke, Hage, Wood and possibly more were sidelined.
@Gl-my8fw def agree, but also getting rid of russia vs chl series is to be blamed, too. That whole series determined the rosters for the world juniors. The 6 game series from qmjhl , ohl, and whl . Against the best of russia . Where everyone got see who was the best from the 3 leagues. Ever since they got rid of it. It hasn't been the same . Which was like 3 to 4 yrs ago?
Senneke,Misa,Cristall,Hage,Wood, Yakemchuk, Zayne Perek... These guys needed to be on the team. They could have made a BETTER team with the players not selected. Pick the best players available. Peter Anholt was in charge of this teams selection if your wondering.
The reason this team was picked, is the same reason every other Team Canada World Juniors' team is picked: they played for the right OHL teams. When Hockey Canada decides to stop picking teams based on junior league politics, they'll stop embarrassing themselves.
Lidstrom hasnt played a game yet this year but i agree . At least 10 others who deserved at least a look at playing . Typical pollitics never changes for TC@Mattyboy2085
@@michaelororke379He explained it very clearly, certain teams have their players picked because of who and WHERE they play. And the fact that the best players didn't all play proves it These kids have numbers seen in seasoned players! But they didn't make the cut, basically cause hurt feelings and loose data manipulation. 😊
As a U.S. fan, I watched all Team Canada's games. I was shocked at the lack of discipline from them. I love seeing Canada in the medal round, and it's not the same without them. The fans taking it out on the refs at the games really need to watch the replays. This result wasn't on the refs.
How many more years are you Canadians going sit there a complain about this or that "super star" kid when the only TEAMS that play disciplined, organized hockey win. Maybe instead of wanting your great kids to play, you should find a group that is willing to play with heart and discipline.
@@tomasonderco7324 CHL vs NCAA. Hockey Canada is biased against players developing outside their system and heavily favours players from the OHL and WHL.
@ ahhh ok that’s what i thought but who else other than Hage is in the NCAA? I don’t think there are anymore 05s and younger, i also just think they left off better chl players than the ones they too which i don’t understand
Ya right, you guys just need more "super star" kids each of whom wants to win by themselves and are too selfish to play together in any sort of disciplined way. Then you can just step out on to the ice and the actual TEAMS with discipline & heart will roll over and give up - correct?
Latvia has just 8k registered hockey players and Sweden sweat they a**es off to not lose to Latvia. That was most hilarious thing I ever watched how Sweds was fun and games at start and after 2nd period everyone was dead serious and crowd get gray hairs
@@Rezisorss My point is not about one year, but over time. Latvia is doing great things aswell, but the fact that Canada has lost it’s dominance against countries that has percentages of their registred players is shameful.
Registered hockey players doesn't mean much when >90% of them play in non-competitive house leagues. Very few Canadians can afford to play competitively. It's extremely shameful for Sweden to not beat Latvia 20-0 though, you're right.
Hockey Canada absolutely needed to be revamped after the whole debacle, but they didn’t need to replace them with the first person that applied for each position. Their front office and coaching was an absolute garbage heap of pretentious d-bags.
I do think we're going to start to see the results of the cost of hockey starting to hit home now. We can complain about if we brought the best players, if some players were favored who shouldn't have been, we can throw stats at each other all day and feel good about our own reasoning why this particular blend of players didn't work. But the fact hockey costs tens, to hundreds of thousands of dollars (in some cases if you're trying to put your kid in hockey schools/private leagues), means some talent is going to be left aside for the kid who's parents had money. I used to firmly believe, as maybe naïvely still do to a point, if you're good enough you'll make it no matter what. If you're the top player, somehow you'll be subsidized to make it in the higher leagues. Maybe this is rose tinted glasses, but it felt like Canada used to have the flashy superstar, but every tournament there would be the work horse, the good ol' boy if you will. Some grounded, nose to the dirt hard worker who didn't take anything for granted. Off the top of my mind maybe McTavish or Barrett Hayton was the last on ice "leader" I can remember that made me go, "F*ck yea, go Canada". In general, I think it's that as a nation, we're not mad, we're just disappointed. Kind of gives me the same feeling as the 7 year gold metal drought before Sutter took the reigns in '05, and overhauled what it meant to be part of the national team.
@nathanhardy7698 Hockey has always been expensive. Of course as time goes on, costs go up. But that issue is not specific to Canada, every hockey nation is experiencing that.
100% Team Canada is now a bunch of rich kids who go through hours upon hours of skill training that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars over the course of their development. They look good on paper but lack the heart and will to compete against other, poorer nations.
I bet most of the players from the "poorer" nations, whatever that means, are the rich kids in their respective countries as well. The cost of all these things are not unique to Canada, and if you think that, then you should travel a little and see for yourself.
Hockey is quite expensive and very time consuming at the elite level. That being said we spent billions of $$ on covid relief and spend $62 billion more than we take in at the Federal level. Cannot totally comprehend where all the money is going. But we certainly could invest in our sports infrastructure in this country. Australia gets a lot more gold medals per capita than we do. Promoting sports from the grass route levels to the elite level has a wide range of benefits - physical and mental health, positive attitudes, competitiveness etc. I wish we would take some of those billions of $ and invest across the board in sports infrastructure that benefit everyone - one of those sports being hockey. We can't have out door rinks anymore because the ice always melts with rain and thaws, why not spend money to build more artificial covered outdoor rinks that can be used from October to March and then converted to summer sports venues. Yes they cost a bit ... but better than pissing away money on Covid.
Probably true. But what I know for a fact is AAA hockey in southern Ontario is prohibitively expensive and if you aren’t doing skills training; you have no chance at being on a squad. That’s in addition to your reg fees which will easily be 5 figures. Throw in all of the nepotism and side deals just to get your kid a sniff of major and that’s a big reason why our teams are getting worse and worse. It use to be a rare rumour of player X’s dad getting some side cash/benefit to playing for a team (ie-Lindros) or the opposite, a rich dad playing for his kids ticket (ie Hyman)…now it’s common place. When was the last time a kid from Regent Park made the show?
This sums up Canada as a whole right now, not surprising *also not using anyone’s names (even though they wear them on their jerseys and they’re all borderline famous already) is respectful but the most Canadian shit ever 😂 wouldn’t wanna hurt their feelings for losing or call them out!
This team selection was left entirely to one man: Peter Anholt. Big mistake to leave such a decision to one person. A committee of experts should be used going forward. Otherwise we get a nitwit like Peter Anholt making bonehead decisions leaving out players with hugs scoring punch. That's why our team suffered offensively.
I hope this is awakening call and both CAN and US starts to send their best to worlds. As a Latvian i don't care if we get shoot out 5;0 ,but its disrespectful to send like your B team at best to it, even if they do win a gold. People want to play against best to improve .Look at our goalie and how he has improved since last juniors, everyone is moving and does not stagnate
Remember when Canada, Russia, Finland & Sweden would go ham while everyone else was an underdog? Every game was a spike of adrenaline just watching. Those were the days…
It's unfortunately a foundational issue. Individual performances left something to be desired, yes. But this was a team that was poorly built, poorly managed, and poorly coached. There were a lot of very good candidates who were never even considered, that very arguably would have made this team better. The thing is though, even with that in mind, this team was still composed of GOOD players, some VERY good players. And they were playing like they had absolutely no idea what they were doing. You don't magically stop knowing how to play hockey just because of a tournament. They were a team without a plan, and the players floundered because their coach left them out to dry.
We need to revamp Canadian hockey. Parents today cannot afford to have their kids play the game. Instead of Canada sending billions of dollars to other countries, like 650 million to Hamas, and 32 billion on immigration programs ,keep the money here and help Canadian kids with a new system where all kids can play by supplying free equipment, free arenas, and free coaches for all. The way the system is set-up only the rich or well off kids get to play.I would rather see my taxes being on our kids for all sports than on other countries.
Good comment, as you may know Minnesota does not have those expensive elite jockey / hockey schools and still produce incredible amature hockey players, from a minor Hockey enrollment of only 60,000 kids
could it be that when they don't look at empty net opportunities they can be great athletes but are in wrong sport because only way they don't see them is if they aren't looking other than that in one goal games bad luck can affect outcome like own hand goal but Canada has not shown much support for team after the loss and for players to get better you need objective criticism not whole team sucks comments.
The best players in the world come from nothing and play for everything. Some players (team Canada) come from everything and play for nothing!(no heart)
I’m a Team USA fan, but the time of just putting together a bunch of top guys without developing any chemistry is long gone…every other country has brought their game up so far over the last 20 years…And, given how much more advanced the development programs are around the world, I think the days of Canada being a clear #1 in the world is gone as well…I see it going back and forth and remaining close…which is good…the competition and rivalries are much stronger when there is parity…
as a canadian i applaud your very reasonable, realistic take. imo if the states hasn't put CAN in the rearview mirror, they def are on their way to by-passing them. USA since 2010 has been breathing down people's necks at the jun-jun's, winning 5 golds, the same as CAN in such timeframe. states this tournament has been crushing it on offence. i'm expecting big things this weekend. CZE will be a tough customer, however i expect USA to be playing on my TV sunday night at 730pm ET! wishing all the best. cheers from southern ontario, canada 🍁
The last line, “there is no reason Canada should not be the top (hockey) country the world,” is one of the root problems. Any country/team that perennially believes that they “should” be the best in the world lacks sufficient humility and as a consequence will not be hungry or teachable enough to be the best. Canada can no longer just show up and expect to win. Sports are not like Socialism, you must EARN it every day.
@@b12deficient24No kidding eh?? My favorite thing is how these guys don't seem to understand things like the police department, and the fire department, are examples of big bad evil "socialism" -another favorite of mine, Is when they use the word communism and socialism interchangeably, as if they mean the same thing.
@@nathanc5778 Canadian players and fans always expect gold, its not arrogance its confidence. If you root for them to lose all the time, your neither a Canadian,or fan, or both!!
The coaching staff failed this group of kids from start to finish. Dave Cameron is far too passive for a condensed tournament like this. His Ottawa 67s are below .500 and sit 2nd last in the Eastern Division. Then look at the London Knight's in the last calendar year amounted a stellar 75-12-12 record. Hockey Canada Management from the top down failed to even invite some serious players, a HC with zero passion, and the personality of a old jockstrap found in the lost and found box 📦
Because we produce almost no defense men or goalies anymore. When Montenbeau is on your goalie roster for team Canada, sometimes not right. This coming from a habs die hard fan. Where are the Ray Bourque's, Shea Webber's, Cale Makar's of this generation. Where are the Prices, the Brodeaur's, the Roy's. We have no issue with forwards, but defense and goalies are average at best if not sub par not to mention having tonnes at those positions making picking a team much more difficult. This is just something I've noticed.
Fair enough on the goalies, but Canada is still pumping out defensive talent. Schaefer will probably go top 5 this draft. DuPont is going to go 1st overall in his draft year. Owen Power were taken 1st overall a couple years back. Yakemchuk and Parekh were both taken top 10 last draft.
Just one question for all of Canada. What happened to the CHL's defensive prospects?? Almost none of the top defense-men in the NHL right now went through the CHL. They either played NCAA in the US or played in their own home country. Makar, Hughes, Hedman, Fox, McAvoy, Josi, Heiskanen, Forsling, I could go on... There seems to be a MAJOR problem in developing NHL ready d-men...
@@tylersees6665 Plenty of Americans used to go up to Canada to play in the CHL. Especially when they didn't want to bother with the fact that in the NCAA they need to maintain a certain GPA in college. Now we have Makar, one of the best defensemen in the world and a kid born and rasied in Calgary travelling to the US to play in the NCAA.
@@tylersees6665 Also, not really what I'm asking. I'm not asking why the top D-prospects don't travel to play in the CHL. I'm asking why the CHL hasn't developed any top D-men in the league lately?
Team Canada 🍁 should have been Iginla Ritchie Cowan (Iginla was injured so Lindstrom takes place) Misa Yager Barlow Howe Catton Mckenna Sennecke Luchenko Cristall Extra Martone,Wood,Heidt. Molendyk Parahk Dickinson Bonk Schaefer Yakemchuk Dragicevic and you could have mix Elick,Danford,Mews,Price. Starter- Scott Ratzlaff Backup- Bjarnason 3rd string- Carter George
@Madmartigan6 Last year we finished 5th and 2019 finished 6th. We are a top 3 hockey country and shouldn't be finishing that low or medal less. I Agree he did they just didn't play well took to many penalties/not enough offence infront of him. Note if we had all U20s Bedard,Celabrini,Benson like every year things would be different.
@@JordanStreib Oh 100% Bedard and Celebrini alone on this team it's completely different. Management from top to bottom was the main issue. Cameron challenging the goalie interference goal and taking a bench minor to lose the momentum they had pissed me off more than anything else in this tournament I was screaming at the TV. There were also other top 10 draft picks completely left out, players cut from selection camp that made no sense. What a disaster.
Cayden Lindstrom has not played hockey all year. He just had major surgery. I’m American and I was well aware of this and I don’t even follow any of the Canadian Junior leagues. No offense, but some of you guys are starting to seem like you don’t really know as much about hockey as you pretend to know. And the people complaining about Bedard and Macklin C are insane. NHL teams aren’t gonna give up their top center for a tournament of teenage boys. Especially not Chicago when they were heading into the winter classic where Bedard was heavily advertised so he could go play in a tournament he’s already won. I swear to God a lot of this is just the same arguments and cope Canadians did last year.
I bet the ratio from number of people that play hockey that make it to the show in Canada vs other countries ratios is terrible compared to what it was 30-40 years ago, does anyone have that info ? We have a ton of talent but we should change the model Lots of games when they are Tim-bits to get them excited and interested in hockey maybe until they are 5-6 years old Then practice (skill heavy)for years , until they are around 10) only a few games per year I seen a documentary on how they develop in Sweden and it seems like it’s way better They all have so much skill When I was a kid we didn’t work on skill heavy drills at all ,It was mostly breakout drills all the time and 2on1s or 3on2s I had to go to expensive summer camps to get any skill training The price of hockey is disgusting now , it was always expensive but now it’s insane
30% of the NHL is now American (highest all time and growing annually). Canada is 40% of the league (lowest all time and continues to decline annually). So yes you are right. The rest of the world is catching up. It was bound to happen sooner or later. The game has grown. Youth hockey in Canada is outpricing the middle class family as well so kids starting to go to different sports. The same thing happened to basketball with the US... the Euros have completely closed the gap on America. Google "youth hockey registration down in Canada" and you'll see a bunch of articles that have been giving warnings about this for a while now. Alot of kids that COULD BE talented enough for the league we will never even know about because the selection has come down to rich families kids and rich families kids only. Whereas America has been making HUGE strides to make hockey more accessible and affordable than it's ever been. It still isn't cheap, but it's getting far easier for the middle class to now start hockey as a youth than it was when I was growing up. The amount of learn to play programs and house leagues have gone up to where the kids that DO have the talent to make that next step can at least have a chance.
well in Latvia for your kid to practice in hockey need like 15-300 euro a month not equipment included , i think that's pretty cheap. So maybe Canada needs to start to get that problem fixed first as youths with passion and work ethics might not be able to even afford practices while pampered kids get spoon fed and when challenge comes they collapse like dominos. That's why every Latvian team has that grit in it and will even lay down to take a hit from a puck as long it does not get in a net .At first i was surprised people calling hockey a rich kids game, but when i heard price you have to pay, my jaw dropped ....
This is interesting, from all I've read and seen popularity of hockey in Canada, at the youth level, is declining. Participation numbers are declining but in the USA popularity of hockey, at the youth level, is increasing and participation numbers are reflecting this. At the end of the day it is a numbers game. Right now, for the first time ever I believe, the USA and Canada have very similar participation levels in the sport and it's starting to show. If trends continue, I would suspect that the USA will only continue to improve and become more of a international power house in hockey. The real anomalies are the countries like Latvia, they need to get their props as that country is tiny! Perhaps Canada and the US need to take a closer look at what they are doing. The USA already did a study on Finland and Sweden and used that information to build its American Development Model (ADM) and that appears to be working. I believe Canada did the same but instead of embracing it, lots of people rejected it and started making these unsanctioned outlaw leagues because they know better than what the data shows. Definitely can't emulate the Fins and Sweds, even if they do produce the most elite talent per capita of any countries in the world.
I would add this: It will only get worse. Because of the changes in the NCAA such as NIL, and hockey roster size, there will be increased opportunities for Canadian kids to not only get an education ( but make more $ then in Canadian Juniors), Guess who is hurt? Yep the quality of Canadian Juniors and the overall development of Canadian hockey.
Blame immigration. Indian and Chinese immigrants don’t want their kids playing hockey. In the US, fewer white kids are playing football than ever before. They are choosing hockey instead.
@@davidbrown386 only thing is that unless they change the NIL policy the Canadian kids currently aren't eligible to make any money through NIL because they are playing and studying on a student VISA which doesn't allow you to make money in that way as far as I understand. It's kind of funny if it hurts Canadian Juniors because it was not the NCAA that pushed for this change, it was Canada, CHL or Canadian players. Someone sued the NCAA to allow for this eligibility rule change and IMHO the only one that really benefits from it are Canadian players. at least at this point. I could be wrong. only time will tell
Although Latvia is small this could also be an advantage as these players have played together since they were 5 years old...wheras team Canada is thrown together in a week.
@@hockeyaddict7007 oh for sure in this situation, if the players are good, that is absolutely an advantage. This is another reason the MN model produces solid teams from small towns. They keep their kids together from age 4/5 and they have a higher than average participation rate but if another state with a higher population could replicate the same model and participation rate they would most likely produce more high end talent. That is what I was getting at. I believe I heard it explained as the rule of 10. For every 10 players/participants you have 1 good player, so for every 100 players you have 1 great players and for every 1,000 players you have 1 elite player. Those are probably generalizations but sounds about right. So at the end of the day it is a game of numbers.
Team Canada and hockey mirrors the state that Canada the country is in right now. A state of complete disarray. Where more people are leaving to go to other countries than ever before. Where half of the country in certain areas is from india. Where were people can barely afford a house or rent but people are finding reasons to go to hockey games. It is absolutely no coincidence that for the first time in the history of Canadian hockey that they are losing this bad if you look at the state of the country. It's actually the only excuse and reason that makes any sense whatsoever.
JC gets it! and of a bunch of neckbeards paying thousands of dollars to cheer on a bunch of 18 year olds, buy the jersey and hat and scream like soyjacks. Bread and circuses, when half the country can barely afford groceries.
Canadians are different now, growing up in the social media era, very soft, liberal type kids... selfish, thinking the world owes them something etc. 37 penalties in 5 games speaks VOLUMES about the state of the soft coaching and selfish kids. FWIW, coaches left off 3 players that should have been on the team in favor of 3 lesser skilled players. gross team... CAnadian hockey is dead and its because of soft parenting and soft coaching.
I would add this: You rarely see players from European Countries ( except Russia) remain in Canada (or even the US) after the season. So they are visible inspirations for the next generation of hockey players. Canadians? It is often summers in Florida, California or Texas instead of Winnipeg, Edmonton or Calgary.
Hi from Czechia. Our kids use social media too, but they still manage to beat yours. When we look at Canadian hockey, what we see is an overwhelming sense of entitlement - a feeling that if Team Canada loses to the team from the country whose adult team is the current world champion, that is somehow "a complete and utter disaster". No, your kids lost to better teams and need to learn from that. Play more European, because it's clearly more successful. "Soft" or "liberal" (whatever the hell that's meant to mean) is not the issue. Entitled attitude and a lack of hockey intelligence is Team Canada's problem. Learn from us😀
Disagree. It's more of fact who ever organized the team was terrible this year. You dont know the politics of these kids. Why you bring up politics . When someone is not chosing these best. Dave Cameron was a terrible choice. Should be dale hunter running canada hockey .
Yes, but same time. Ever since subway super series was cancelled. Between russia and canada. The roster selection hasn't been the same. Getting to watch the best from all 3 leagues. Play 6 games against the russian national team. That series has been gone since russia and ukraine war started. Which was like? 3 to 4 years ago. They brought back the canada vs us team game. But, they only had 1 game in London. It needs be the same 6 games. Like the old russia vs canada series .
I'm impressed. The hockey forum I post on, half the Canadians there are whining about the refs. Canadians posting here seem to be more based in reality. Kudos.
I said it through the whole tournament that it seemed like a bunch of guys trying to raise their draft position rather than an actual TEAM! No crisp passing plays as in previous years... no setting up guys for the goal but rather, lots of individual skate arounds looking for the shot and then missing the net! Brutal!! Just brutal!! I'm glad I didn't have to pay money to watch any of it!
Cristall, Sennecke, Lidstrom, Iginla, Hage, Greentree and Misa all our top goal scoring forwards and not 1 made the team. Also keep in mind Bedard and Celebrini were young enough still too but we wouldn’t need them if we picked properly. Plus our top 3 D and then with Schaefer getting hurt. We were playing our C team.
CHI and SJS would absolutely not send bedard and celebrini to the jun-jun's. they are considered their team's property and the hawks/sharks wouldn't dare risk injury to their investments.
I'm so sick of hearing this shit over and over again. Sometimes Canada loses. It's better for the game that other countries are better at hockey. This narrative that "it's embarrassing when Canada loses" gives zero credit to the other teams.
If our Starting goalie is the Starter from Montreal then you know we have Issues USA has the best goaltending in the 4 Nations our goaltenders are Backups and AHL guys 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂@@Laezerface
@@Laezerface Comprehension is hard for you. Understanding that success in Canadian hockey is not where it used to be, and Canadian dominance is gone, is really easy to see. Not for others. There has been a steady decline in the number of young people playing hockey in Canada and that will only continue.
these canadian kids are supposed to be professional players... Being drafted high and the CHL matches up with top leagues in europe, or atleast their second best leagues.
the fall of the country coincides with the fall of our national sport, I'm from Quebec and is the biggest fall of all the provinces and it hurts Canadian teams, where are the Lemieux, Bourque, Roy, Brodeur, Lecavalier, St-Louis, Gagné? I know where they are, playing video games or soccer, it's too expensive now and Hockey Quebec is a joke, TV hosts on sport channels like J-C Lajoie said it for years now, Jocelyn Thibault was named head of the organisation and he resigned saying there was too much crap going on and nothing happened afterwards, we don't even know who replaced him, women have screwed the Q too, the sports minister Isabelle Charest removed fighting in the Q and the new president Checcini was behind her, what a joke
With a tournament with junior players you cant really count on having stellar defence. They built this team to win 3-2 which makes no sense when we wouldve been better off going HEAVY on offence since young players generally arent the best defensively. Shoudla built the team to win 6-3, not 3-2
Should not have been allowed to participate in the first place. Hockey Canada should not be allowed due to them trying to sweep the sexual assaults under the rug through paying off victims. We hold these kids accountable yet HC gets a pass!! If Russia can be held out of events due to politics, then HC should be held out too. Honestly...which one is worse?
3 years ago we were extremely dominant. It's not that these teams are getting that much better, we just don't choose the right players. Oh and coaching was terrible
And before there were dominant Finns, and before Russians, and before Czechs, USA, Swedes.... This is how the hockey world works for decades ... the big 6 Are you new at hockey?
What everyone is forgetting here is; In 2013 Hockey Canada in its infinite wisdom moved the body contact age from minor PeeWee u12 (when AAA starts in most of Canada) to minor Bantam u14. These last 4 or 5 year have been the first generation to go through this system and they suck. So since then the only players that make u12 AAA and small fast and highly skilled. No power forwards, grinders or punishing Defenders. Just small and skilled . So when u14 rolls around the bigger more aggressive rougher tougher players are so far behind they have no chance of making a high level team. Someone here is gonna say well “ Euro and the US have had body contact at bantam for years” ya and when we didn’t we killed them. Eric Lindros would not make a u12 AAA team now. Too big and too much of a liability. He’d be in the box all the time for being to big. (I’ve seen it big player with the puck runs over a defender and he gets the penalty) High level hockey is NOT for everyone. It’s violent,rough, and mean. Most parent in Canada that put their kid in rep hockey are left with $100000 player that can’t go in the corners or throw a proper hit. We teach high level skating skill to 7 and 8 year olds because we know teach them young is the best way. Then why not teach them how to though hit and take one young as well. Judge a tree by the fruit it bars. And this tree is shit
Hockey Canada could see the writing on the wall which is why they begged the NCAA for the deal with Canada's Junior leagues! The only people that can possibly benefit from this deal are Canadian players to have a second chance at playing pro without playing in the ECHL or fed!
this was not a surprise to me. who the hell thought braden yager and easton cowan would lead canada to a gold medal. this is on team canada’s management, that group of guys had no chance
honestly he should be using names. So maybe next time they do better knowing it wont just be a slap on a wrist like now????Like for example that ice dancer in shoot out against Latvia, i forgot his name as he seems irrelevant useless team player who is just selfish in game where selfishness gets punished .
If this was a professional team yes. But it's not these are kids this is the world juniors give them a brake its way more likely to be a systemic problem if all of these great young players are having the same issues.
@@park1699 brother this isnt the olympics its the world JUNIORS "JUNIORS" maybe one of the reasons they had so much trouble is because they are in a shitty system with an ass coach and have more pressure on them than adults who make millions off this sport
@@magnus1249 they still represent canada. look how many good player where not pick who would have done a better job then some in this team. yes i agree management bear most of the blame but the player still put the jerseys on representing their country. if they dont want that pressure they can decline to play for team canada
The reasons why Canada lost this game might be because of everything you stated, but the steady decline in youth hockey participation, and no great college hockey league oriented toward development are what's to blame. Canada's junior teams won't get better just by changing the coach.
These are the men responsible for roster and coaching decisions: Al Murray, Peter Anholt, Brent Seabrook, Scott Salmond, Benoit Roy, Scott Walker, Dave Cameron, Mike Johnston, Chris Lazary, Sylvain Favreau, and Dan De Palma. They should ALL be BANNED from Team Canada hockey related activities. Misa, Sennecke, Hage, and Parekh weren't even invited to camp, nevermind not being locks to be on the team.
@@TristanTay Fair enough. I don't watch the W or the Q so I'm not familiar with the players. Point is we need to bring the best players we have, period full stop.
Finally someone willing to address the issues this team had. TSN blaming referees and crying foul when the team was just playing awful. Thise knees were both penalties in international hockey. Thats just the way it is. Stop crying and start working!
Was Cameron holding Rock'em Sock'em video sessions instead of practices it's no wonder this guy couldn't hold an NHL job , bottom line just couldn't score
I wouldn't say that Canada played disastrously against the Czech Republic. From the middle of the game, they played the best hockey of the entire tournament. But they paid for their lack of discipline. Referees in international hockey punish even things they don't punish in the NHL. And Canada couldn't cope with that. Greetings from the Czech Republic.
Trudeau was prime minister still when canada won gold. 🤦♂️ with logan stankoven and dylan garand as starter. God these conservs and no critical thinking.
A new culture has been established in Canada for the past 20 years and more pronounced since Trudeau and the Liberals came to power. I like your comment and there is a correlation. Maybe small, but still a correlation. 15 years ago my son comes home from school / sports day. I asked " how did it go? " His response??? "Dad... teachers said we are all winners. No ribbons for 1st, 2nd etc. Everyone gets the same participation ribbon." The new culture, unless parents spend the time to develop and groom their kids otherwise. All the best !
We obviously need a top to bottom rebuild in the management of Hockey Canada. Thats two years in a row now of unprecedented failure on their part. I’ll blame the adults before the kids, particularly when blame is due. On the other side, we saw a very undisciplined group of players lacking maturity along with a complete absence of offensive prowess. On the bright side, I believe Carter George is going to be a future star in the NHL. I was thoroughly impressed by his performance and I believe it came down to him alone which prevented us from being further embarrassed in the games which we lost. One question and potential point of scrutiny I would like to highlight is the makeup of the team by league. Is the OHL just that more talent rich than the other two leagues or are there political factors coming into play? I would expect that on any given year, perhaps up to half of the team may come from one league, with the other half being made up of a split of players from the other two. However for the WHL and QMJHL to only be represented by a small token group of players seems like a glaring aberration to me. There was literally only ONE player on the team from the Q. As I stated at the beginning however. I would start the process of reconstruction by firing the players entire coaching staff and general management team and go from there. No one can tell me it’s a lack of talent in our player pool and which is dictating our lack of success as of recent.
World “caught up” 15-20 years ago and we been hearing ur comment the whole time…, if canada picked a real team they woulda been good, pick a crap team get crap results
I will say some of the player selections are a bit puzzling, but this team should still be easily fighting for a medal. However, it is as you highlighted in the video a positional problem, which is 100% a coaching issue for me. A lot of them are going to be playing a position they are not familiar with, you have to have the ability to understand formations and where to be on the ice at all times and how to move in relation to where the opposing team passes the puck (this is very important on the PK). I'd love to know what they were doing in practices (when they had them), especially pre-tournament. Throw in the lack of discipline and this team was never winning anything. I think hockey Canada (and hockey in general) still hasn't gotten away from the "old boys" style of coaching. It just doesn't work anymore. Time to gut the game of all these old horses and put them out to pasture.
I find this is a very Canada-centric take (yes, the subject of the video is Team Canada, but in sports, it takes two [teams] to tango). The main thesis I got was: we are not dominating like we used to because our team sucked, and here is an analysis of all the fundamental mistakes that were made during play. However, where is the analysis of the competitiveness of Germany, Latvia, Czechia, Finland, etc., and how that has evolved since the 90s? I'm certain one could analyze the horrible mistakes of Team Canada during tournaments going back to our years of dominance. The critical difference (in my opinion) is, in those years, our opponents were simply not of the same calibre as they are today. So yes, gone are our years of dominance a couple of decades ago. Moreover, gone are the days where every international hockey trophy would be won, alternatingly, by Canada, Russia, the USA or Sweden. And frankly, I'm happy for it and don't find it a reason to be frustrated, since this sport is becoming so much bigger and competitive around the world.
You are talking about ignorance, but you put Canada, Russia, Sweden and USA as top teams in history?! What a joke! Chechia is 3rd in gold medals, 2nd in overall medal in IIHF championships. Since 1992 it is Canada, Chechia, Sweden and Russia in this order. Before 90s Canada was playing simple physical hockey focused only on playing hard, eastern European smart hockey changed NHL after 1990 and yes, Canadian hockey changed as well.
@@petrhanousek4301 Don't get your panties in a twist. The person who made the video was referencing a period a couple decades back where Canada was dominating. Neither he nor I was talking about 'all of history'. Furthermore, given that this video was about the World Junior Championship, it's odd to exclude the context of THAT medal tally from your reading of my comment. Finally, the political reality around the breakup of Czechoslovakia further complicates the continuity of any medal tally, but that's beside the point. All that to say, I stand by everything I said. Canada experienced a period of dominance a while back, and people like the author of the video attribute the end of that dominance implicitly to us being worse than we were, rather than smaller European teams being better. That Czechoslovakia and Czechia together are 3rd in gold medals for ALL of IIHF World Championship (but not World Junior) history says nothing to this point.
@@Laezerface Ironic, your allegation of coping. Don't know if you'll understand why though. As for your other accusation, my use of first-person pronouns -- we, our -- in reference to Team Canada should give you a hint of where else you're wrong. 'If we're on our A game, we beat all of [them]' can easily be spun right round, which was my entire point, which you seem to have (unsurprisingly) missed. When we dominated before, was everyone else on their A-game? I'm sure you do not track the behind-the-scenes of Team Finland or the Liiga, so how would you know? Your comment oozes arbitrary nationalistic pride, which was the very thing I was criticizing about the video.
@@mnpa6154 I get what you are saying, I am just saying that Chechia always was and still is amongst the most successful hockey nations. Well above USA, Finland, Latvia, Switzerland, Germany and others that are getting better. Yes, USA might be better in standings in juniors, but I don't compare juniors because Chechia just doesn't have numbers and money in other leagues than adults. Canada and USA has over 500k registered players, Chechia has 27k, you just can't have the same quality junior league with those numbers. My point is that it is the heart, hard work and smart play that keeps Chechia up top. Yes, there was recent downfall, but that happens everywhere. And to further explain why I understand little better what you are saying is that I have moved to Canada 6 years ago and yes, I see exactly what you are saying. If Canada wins, Canada is the best, if Canada loses, Canada just had bad team, bad coaches, bad referees etc. It is never about the other team being better.
Team Canada's roster has never been about team work or even representing their country. This is about individual accolaides. You know this because it's the time of year where Bob MacKenzie actually shows up to work. The better you do, the higher you end up on his list. This is also a huge cash grab for Bell Media, there's that too. Bell media relies on this tournament, it's a Canadian staple around Christmas and New Years - so once again that is a lot of pressure. Team USA have a better structure and less pressure. We should be sending our players to higher schooling not relying on these tournaments.
As an American, this has been absolutely beautiful to see the gradual downfall of Hockey Canada. The Canadian fans used to be so obnoxious and disrespectful to other countries. They have been served a very nice slice of humble pie. 👍🇺🇸
As a Canadian I think that is probably a fair statement. Hopefully we will do better next year. Your team looks amazing! I like a tournament where a number of teams have a chance. It’s good for the sport of hockey. Hey as a Habs fan I’m really glad to have Cole Caulfield & Lane Hutson on my team. Thanks USA! 😊
Also the Challenge by Cameron. How clueless is he? That was SO FAR from being a goal…. He burned two minutes off the clock forcing a PK for a challenge that had probably less than 0.01% chance of working…
We've had players from Canada playing in these tournaments, but we haven't seen a team Canada in a while.... Wonder if Poilievre can fix that too... seems to be some DEI infecting the precision of which this organization can operate. It's the Canada we've been sold for the last 10 years... No industry, No hockey, No Identity, No anything....
... I'd also argue that the rest of the world is quickly catching up in development. Hockey is hardly the 4th most popular sport in the U.S. and is prohibitively expensive If it were to catch fire, more youth would have a chance to play. I'm curious what would happen.
Talent, discipline……….BAM! Hockey in Canada is unaffordable for 90% of parents with athletic kids. They don’t play hockey anymore……..they play Soccer and Basketball. COST is the #1 problem with Canadian hockey and it won’t get any better until we do something about it. We ARE losing OUR GAME!
a vast majority of the players are Canadian. Almost every superstar that still holds a record is either Canadian or European. The hall of fame is in Canada. The championship cup stays in Canada. Lord Stanley himself was Canadian. how exactly is it America's game? I mean... besides complete ignorance. How did Tampa Bay, LA, Chicago and Pittsburgh get their dynasties? on the backs of Canadians... Stamkos, Crosby, Lemieux, Gretzky, Toews.... you're welcome!
The last time you won gold in the olympics was 1980 and the world championship in 1960. The US sucks at hockey compared to Canada, Russia or other european countries.
I'm an American so I don't have the perspective of a Canadian hockey fan. That said, I definitely don't believe that the fault should be placed on the players at all. It should go completely to the people who made the personnel decisions and to the coaches who didn't do nearly enough to make sure that the players were ready. Hockey Canada has some serious issues to work out and they're going to have a heck of a time winning this tournament until they do.
It is definitely embarrassing when you have the kind of hockey infrastructure and culture we do. We have a far larger talent pool to draw from than the Czechs.
@@b12deficient24 When you call it embarrassing it's just an insult to the Czechs who were the better team. Sometimes (often) the better team wins and not the more talented collection of players.
@@jasonjansen9831 Czechs played well against the team we had. The embarrassing part is that Hockey Canada could’ve put together a much better team but they’re incompetent.
It's never good to lose but it's not quite as embarrassing as everyone is trying to make this out. Last year the Czechs a very good team scored the winning quarter final goal with 11 seconds remaining, this quarter final winning goal was scored with 39 seconds remaining in the game
As an American, this is one instance where Canadian sports and culture is unique. The closest thing we have to this is our US Women's Soccer Team. Where they are expected to win, every match, every tournament, year in, year out. Even that still pales in comparison. These are kids. All under 20, The women are atleast adults. Insufferable at times but still adults. My heart goes out to these kids.
Hockey Canada won't change. This is an organization deeply rooted in Old Boys culture that sits in an echo chamber of hockey thought scarcely more refined than Don Cherry's caveman ideas on "the right way to play". Worse, the brains at HC reject all criticism from "civilians" and will defend their old boys to the end. Cameron will absolutely maintain his place on the speed dial list for HC when it needs coaches at the WC or WJC. No one is going to lose their jobs. If a massive sex assault coverup scandal can't sink this festering toilet of ineptitude, no chance this will.
Well, you should do your homework a bit better. The fact is that following last year's abuse scandal involving five members of the 2018 world juniors team, Hockey Canada DID in fact clean house. Their entire board of directors were fired and were replaced with social justice warriors. 5 women and 4 men, none of which have any hockey back ground with the exception of Gillian Apps who was a member of the women's Olympic team. I agree that scandal cover ups should be fully investigated and those involved properly dealt with. Hockey culture is in fact changing and you're witnessing it right now. The "old boys club" you referred to is responsible for the decades worth of winning tradition Canada, as a Country, has enjoyed as a hockey power.
What were the main issues with this team?
Everything
Canada needed more LHJMQ players.
@@tubtub341 irrelevant comment
id blame coaching and team selection plain embarassing
roster management, coaching, discipline and like one man shows, and losing Schaefer
Hockey Canada: "does he play for the right OHL teams? No? Then he doesnt play for the U-20 team."
Actually, their metric is "were you drafted by a Canadian NHL team not called the Leafs? No? Then no U-20 for you." This is actually the criteria they have employed for years now. Same with 4-nations cup where the only players on Canadian teams other than the Leafs are Montambault (the mandatory Quebecer) and McDavid. That's it!!
@@Mattyboy2085 that’s a sad commentary …..I wonder what the “right teams are”.
True possibly. I hope these babies enjoy competing for the Spengler Cup in the future
@@robmoloney9040 You're tripping, buddy.
@@robmoloney9040morrissey
Global Hockey is too good for canada to not select the best players and expect to win
well get ready for the 4 nations because we aren't winning that either pal
@@justinwillness3162I’d say every country has a chance in that
@@Crc64-m3t "I’d say every country has a chance in that"
Except of those who weren't invited...
But enjoy your nonsensical 4 nations "cup".
I will not watch it.
@@002o nice cope... your country probably has 5 nhl players
@@justinwillness3162and why aren’t we?
Bad coaching and roster decisions. Politics is destroying Canadian hockey. Parakh, Yamechuk, Misa, Sennecke, Hage, Wood and possibly more were sidelined.
good ol boys club as usual
Totally agree especially yakemchuk literally almost made the big squad his first preseason horrible snubs
Dave Cameron couldn't coach a trip to the washroom. There's a reason he's not coaching in the NHL.
I 1000% agree with all especially sennecke becuse he was drafted to the ducks with a third over all pick
Totally agree....all those overreactors will say different thou...they'll say hockey is dead etc in canada......
9 of the top 10 OHL scorers were left off the roster. And the team couldn’t score! Fire Peter Anholt.
They left the best offensive defenceman off. Landon dupont.
The coaching is even more at fault
@Gl-my8fw def agree, but also getting rid of russia vs chl series is to be blamed, too. That whole series determined the rosters for the world juniors. The 6 game series from qmjhl , ohl, and whl . Against the best of russia . Where everyone got see who was the best from the 3 leagues. Ever since they got rid of it. It hasn't been the same . Which was like 3 to 4 yrs ago?
@@Gl-my8fw but , they need to make dale hunter the "main guy for the team canada coaching staff"
You act like the Q doesn't even exist
Senneke,Misa,Cristall,Hage,Wood, Yakemchuk, Zayne Perek... These guys needed to be on the team. They could have made a BETTER team with the players not selected. Pick the best players available. Peter Anholt was in charge of this teams selection if your wondering.
i wonder why they weren’t picked lol
The reason this team was picked, is the same reason every other Team Canada World Juniors' team is picked: they played for the right OHL teams. When Hockey Canada decides to stop picking teams based on junior league politics, they'll stop embarrassing themselves.
Lidstrom hasnt played a game yet this year but i agree . At least 10 others who deserved at least a look at playing . Typical pollitics never changes for TC@Mattyboy2085
@@Mattyboy2085What is the junior league politics?
@@michaelororke379He explained it very clearly, certain teams have their players picked because of who and WHERE they play.
And the fact that the best players didn't all play proves it
These kids have numbers seen in seasoned players!
But they didn't make the cut, basically cause hurt feelings and loose data manipulation.
😊
Selfish players refused to play defence, while taking too many penalties, equals bad team, simple as that.
As a U.S. fan, I watched all Team Canada's games. I was shocked at the lack of discipline from them. I love seeing Canada in the medal round, and it's not the same without them. The fans taking it out on the refs at the games really need to watch the replays. This result wasn't on the refs.
@@CaptainTedStryker when you see the video breakdown this makes total sense.
Do a story on the first round picks we left off the team and how hockey Canada politics is killing the national team program
what politics?
How many more years are you Canadians going sit there a complain about this or that "super star" kid when the only TEAMS that play disciplined, organized hockey win. Maybe instead of wanting your great kids to play, you should find a group that is willing to play with heart and discipline.
@@tomasonderco7324 CHL vs NCAA. Hockey Canada is biased against players developing outside their system and heavily favours players from the OHL and WHL.
@ ahhh ok that’s what i thought but who else other than Hage is in the NCAA? I don’t think there are anymore 05s and younger, i also just think they left off better chl players than the ones they too which i don’t understand
I mean everyone called out the roster right from the start, a lot of amazing players left off the list.
"TEAM CANADA" is the best Canadians available... that team, is not team Canada. it's just a selective failure!
Ya right, you guys just need more "super star" kids each of whom wants to win by themselves and are too selfish to play together in any sort of disciplined way. Then you can just step out on to the ice and the actual TEAMS with discipline & heart will roll over and give up - correct?
@@gregorybiestek3431 no. super wrong. nice try little man. nice try 5 inch man
its more like my parents know connections to get me in team canada. i wonder just how many of them ''donated'' to get that spot.
Us Canadians don’t deserve to be treated like crap from Hockey Canada. I just don’t get what is happening with management for 2 years in a row.
Canada has ~550k registered hockey players. Sweden has about 60k. You should do better, just a thought.
Latvia has just 8k registered hockey players and Sweden sweat they a**es off to not lose to Latvia. That was most hilarious thing I ever watched how Sweds was fun and games at start and after 2nd period everyone was dead serious and crowd get gray hairs
Latvia has 8k...
@@Rezisorss My point is not about one year, but over time. Latvia is doing great things aswell, but the fact that Canada has lost it’s dominance against countries that has percentages of their registred players is shameful.
Registered hockey players doesn't mean much when >90% of them play in non-competitive house leagues. Very few Canadians can afford to play competitively. It's extremely shameful for Sweden to not beat Latvia 20-0 though, you're right.
@ and how many do you think are youth/developing players? It’s about the future aswell. Whatever mate.
Hockey Canada absolutely needed to be revamped after the whole debacle, but they didn’t need to replace them with the first person that applied for each position. Their front office and coaching was an absolute garbage heap of pretentious d-bags.
I do think we're going to start to see the results of the cost of hockey starting to hit home now. We can complain about if we brought the best players, if some players were favored who shouldn't have been, we can throw stats at each other all day and feel good about our own reasoning why this particular blend of players didn't work. But the fact hockey costs tens, to hundreds of thousands of dollars (in some cases if you're trying to put your kid in hockey schools/private leagues), means some talent is going to be left aside for the kid who's parents had money. I used to firmly believe, as maybe naïvely still do to a point, if you're good enough you'll make it no matter what. If you're the top player, somehow you'll be subsidized to make it in the higher leagues. Maybe this is rose tinted glasses, but it felt like Canada used to have the flashy superstar, but every tournament there would be the work horse, the good ol' boy if you will. Some grounded, nose to the dirt hard worker who didn't take anything for granted. Off the top of my mind maybe McTavish or Barrett Hayton was the last on ice "leader" I can remember that made me go, "F*ck yea, go Canada". In general, I think it's that as a nation, we're not mad, we're just disappointed. Kind of gives me the same feeling as the 7 year gold metal drought before Sutter took the reigns in '05, and overhauled what it meant to be part of the national team.
@nathanhardy7698 Hockey has always been expensive. Of course as time goes on, costs go up. But that issue is not specific to Canada, every hockey nation is experiencing that.
100%
Team Canada is now a bunch of rich kids who go through hours upon hours of skill training that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars over the course of their development.
They look good on paper but lack the heart and will to compete against other, poorer nations.
I bet most of the players from the "poorer" nations, whatever that means, are the rich kids in their respective countries as well. The cost of all these things are not unique to Canada, and if you think that, then you should travel a little and see for yourself.
Hockey is quite expensive and very time consuming at the elite level. That being said we spent billions of $$ on covid relief and spend $62 billion more than we take in at the Federal level. Cannot totally comprehend where all the money is going. But we certainly could invest in our sports infrastructure in this country. Australia gets a lot more gold medals per capita than we do. Promoting sports from the grass route levels to the elite level has a wide range of benefits - physical and mental health, positive attitudes, competitiveness etc. I wish we would take some of those billions of $ and invest across the board in sports infrastructure that benefit everyone - one of those sports being hockey. We can't have out door rinks anymore because the ice always melts with rain and thaws, why not spend money to build more artificial covered outdoor rinks that can be used from October to March and then converted to summer sports venues. Yes they cost a bit ... but better than pissing away money on Covid.
Probably true. But what I know for a fact is AAA hockey in southern Ontario is prohibitively expensive and if you aren’t doing skills training; you have no chance at being on a squad.
That’s in addition to your reg fees which will easily be 5 figures.
Throw in all of the nepotism and side deals just to get your kid a sniff of major and that’s a big reason why our teams are getting worse and worse.
It use to be a rare rumour of player X’s dad getting some side cash/benefit to playing for a team (ie-Lindros) or the opposite, a rich dad playing for his kids ticket (ie Hyman)…now it’s common place. When was the last time a kid from Regent Park made the show?
This sums up Canada as a whole right now, not surprising
*also not using anyone’s names (even though they wear them on their jerseys and they’re all borderline famous already) is respectful but the most Canadian shit ever 😂 wouldn’t wanna hurt their feelings for losing or call them out!
Horrible coaching, terrible penalties. And bad roster moves
This team selection was left entirely to one man: Peter Anholt. Big mistake to leave such a decision to one person. A committee of experts should be used going forward. Otherwise we get a nitwit like Peter Anholt making bonehead decisions leaving out players with hugs scoring punch. That's why our team suffered offensively.
Is that true? How do you know it was so unilateral?
I wonder if Peter Anholt took money under the table, to place second rate kids on team?? Corruption even at eastern sporting events.
That and Dave Cameron coaching... guys a loser
you sound vaccinated
I hope this is awakening call and both CAN and US starts to send their best to worlds. As a Latvian i don't care if we get shoot out 5;0 ,but its disrespectful to send like your B team at best to it, even if they do win a gold. People want to play against best to improve .Look at our goalie and how he has improved since last juniors, everyone is moving and does not stagnate
Remember when Canada, Russia, Finland & Sweden would go ham while everyone else was an underdog? Every game was a spike of adrenaline just watching. Those were the days…
yakemchuk laughing his ass off rn
Worst coached team in Canadian history.
It's unfortunately a foundational issue. Individual performances left something to be desired, yes. But this was a team that was poorly built, poorly managed, and poorly coached. There were a lot of very good candidates who were never even considered, that very arguably would have made this team better.
The thing is though, even with that in mind, this team was still composed of GOOD players, some VERY good players. And they were playing like they had absolutely no idea what they were doing. You don't magically stop knowing how to play hockey just because of a tournament. They were a team without a plan, and the players floundered because their coach left them out to dry.
We need to revamp Canadian hockey. Parents today cannot afford to have their kids play the game. Instead of Canada sending billions of dollars to other countries, like 650 million to Hamas, and 32 billion on immigration programs ,keep the money here and help Canadian kids with a new system where all kids can play by supplying free equipment, free arenas, and free coaches for all. The way the system is set-up only the rich or well off kids get to play.I would rather see my taxes being on our kids for all sports than on other countries.
Good comment, as you may know Minnesota does not have those expensive elite jockey / hockey schools and still produce incredible amature hockey players, from a minor Hockey enrollment of only 60,000 kids
Hockey was always an elitest sport in this country
That defense is atrocious!
could it be that when they don't look at empty net opportunities they can be great athletes but are in wrong sport because only way they don't see them is if they aren't looking other than that in one goal games bad luck can affect outcome like own hand goal but Canada has not shown much support for team after the loss and for players to get better you need objective criticism not whole team sucks comments.
The best players in the world come from nothing and play for everything. Some players (team Canada) come from everything and play for nothing!(no heart)
Wayne Gretzky was not a rich spoiled brat!
Wayne Simmonds is a great example. He hasn't won anything but is a good example of a great player coming from a poor background.
I’d be A-OK with shoveling these misappropriated funds from Hockey Canada all into women’s hockey. That’s where the real winners are.
I’m a Team USA fan, but the time of just putting together a bunch of top guys without developing any chemistry is long gone…every other country has brought their game up so far over the last 20 years…And, given how much more advanced the development programs are around the world, I think the days of Canada being a clear #1 in the world is gone as well…I see it going back and forth and remaining close…which is good…the competition and rivalries are much stronger when there is parity…
as a canadian i applaud your very reasonable, realistic take. imo if the states hasn't put CAN in the rearview mirror, they def are on their way to by-passing them. USA since 2010 has been breathing down people's necks at the jun-jun's, winning 5 golds, the same as CAN in such timeframe.
states this tournament has been crushing it on offence. i'm expecting big things this weekend. CZE will be a tough customer, however i expect USA to be playing on my TV sunday night at 730pm ET!
wishing all the best.
cheers from southern ontario, canada 🍁
The coaching sucked
The last line, “there is no reason Canada should not be the top (hockey) country the world,” is one of the root problems.
Any country/team that perennially believes that they “should” be the best in the world lacks sufficient humility and as a consequence will not be hungry or teachable enough to be the best.
Canada can no longer just show up and expect to win. Sports are not like Socialism, you must EARN it every day.
Yeah 100%, they got out worked and didn’t play as unit. Latvia and Czechia proved that
Way to shoehorn “socialism” into something completely unrelated.
@@b12deficient24No kidding eh?? My favorite thing is how these guys don't seem to understand things like the police department, and the fire department, are examples of big bad evil "socialism"
-another favorite of mine, Is when they use the word communism and socialism interchangeably, as if they mean the same thing.
This arrogance is why I always want them to lose.
@@nathanc5778 Canadian players and fans always expect gold, its not arrogance its confidence. If you root for them to lose all the time, your neither a Canadian,or fan, or both!!
They didn't pick the best team, and the coach is a total fool...
The coaching staff failed this group of kids from start to finish. Dave Cameron is far too passive for a condensed tournament like this. His Ottawa 67s are below .500 and sit 2nd last in the Eastern Division. Then look at the London Knight's in the last calendar year amounted a stellar 75-12-12 record. Hockey Canada Management from the top down failed to even invite some serious players, a HC with zero passion, and the personality of a old jockstrap found in the lost and found box 📦
My friends and I joked that Cameron looked like a librarian writing poetry from behind the bench.
@philipsmith3901 fair
@@philipsmith3901i call him Nicky Eyes from Goodfellas
Because we produce almost no defense men or goalies anymore. When Montenbeau is on your goalie roster for team Canada, sometimes not right. This coming from a habs die hard fan. Where are the Ray Bourque's, Shea Webber's, Cale Makar's of this generation. Where are the Prices, the Brodeaur's, the Roy's. We have no issue with forwards, but defense and goalies are average at best if not sub par not to mention having tonnes at those positions making picking a team much more difficult. This is just something I've noticed.
Fair enough on the goalies, but Canada is still pumping out defensive talent. Schaefer will probably go top 5 this draft. DuPont is going to go 1st overall in his draft year. Owen Power were taken 1st overall a couple years back. Yakemchuk and Parekh were both taken top 10 last draft.
THey have some great talent, they left it out lol
@@PhoenixRiseinFlame And, you know, Makar is the Makar of this generation. OP speaks like he is 35 or already retired.
Hockey Canada should be ashamed of itself and needs to fire its entire executive team!
Just one question for all of Canada. What happened to the CHL's defensive prospects?? Almost none of the top defense-men in the NHL right now went through the CHL. They either played NCAA in the US or played in their own home country.
Makar, Hughes, Hedman, Fox, McAvoy, Josi, Heiskanen, Forsling, I could go on... There seems to be a MAJOR problem in developing NHL ready d-men...
Hughes, fox and mcavoy are american. Why would they go to the chl. They go to ncaa. Atleast. Before the rule change
@@tylersees6665 Plenty of Americans used to go up to Canada to play in the CHL. Especially when they didn't want to bother with the fact that in the NCAA they need to maintain a certain GPA in college.
Now we have Makar, one of the best defensemen in the world and a kid born and rasied in Calgary travelling to the US to play in the NCAA.
@@tylersees6665 Also, not really what I'm asking.
I'm not asking why the top D-prospects don't travel to play in the CHL.
I'm asking why the CHL hasn't developed any top D-men in the league lately?
@@cmac3530 you could say the same for why no goalies. They have had top prospects they either are busts or still young and developing.
@@tylersees6665 Precisely - To me, that would spell a (Likely systematic) problem that needs fixing but, what do I know, I'm just a layman.
Team Canada 🍁 should have been
Iginla Ritchie Cowan (Iginla was injured so Lindstrom takes place)
Misa Yager Barlow
Howe Catton Mckenna
Sennecke Luchenko Cristall
Extra Martone,Wood,Heidt.
Molendyk Parahk
Dickinson Bonk
Schaefer Yakemchuk
Dragicevic and you could have mix Elick,Danford,Mews,Price.
Starter- Scott Ratzlaff
Backup- Bjarnason
3rd string- Carter George
Carter George played pretty well in this tourny but agreed.
@Madmartigan6 Last year we finished 5th and 2019 finished 6th. We are a top 3 hockey country and shouldn't be finishing that low or medal less.
I Agree he did they just didn't play well took to many penalties/not enough offence infront of him.
Note if we had all U20s Bedard,Celabrini,Benson like every year things would be different.
@@JordanStreib Oh 100% Bedard and Celebrini alone on this team it's completely different. Management from top to bottom was the main issue. Cameron challenging the goalie interference goal and taking a bench minor to lose the momentum they had pissed me off more than anything else in this tournament I was screaming at the TV. There were also other top 10 draft picks completely left out, players cut from selection camp that made no sense. What a disaster.
Please don't put Ritchie on the top line, the kid lost all finish against the czechs
Cayden Lindstrom has not played hockey all year. He just had major surgery.
I’m American and I was well aware of this and I don’t even follow any of the Canadian Junior leagues. No offense, but some of you guys are starting to seem like you don’t really know as much about hockey as you pretend to know.
And the people complaining about Bedard and Macklin C are insane. NHL teams aren’t gonna give up their top center for a tournament of teenage boys. Especially not Chicago when they were heading into the winter classic where Bedard was heavily advertised so he could go play in a tournament he’s already won.
I swear to God a lot of this is just the same arguments and cope Canadians did last year.
So moral of the story everyone involves in choosing coach and players is severely incompetent.
I bet the ratio from number of people that play hockey that make it to the show in Canada vs other countries ratios is terrible compared to what it was 30-40 years ago, does anyone have that info ?
We have a ton of talent but we should change the model
Lots of games when they are
Tim-bits to get them excited and interested in hockey maybe until they are 5-6 years old
Then practice (skill heavy)for years , until they are around 10) only a few games per year
I seen a documentary on how they develop in Sweden and it seems like it’s way better They all have so much skill
When I was a kid we didn’t work on skill heavy drills at all ,It was mostly breakout drills all the time and 2on1s or 3on2s I had to go to expensive summer camps to get any skill training
The price of hockey is disgusting now , it was always expensive but now it’s insane
30% of the NHL is now American (highest all time and growing annually). Canada is 40% of the league (lowest all time and continues to decline annually). So yes you are right. The rest of the world is catching up. It was bound to happen sooner or later. The game has grown. Youth hockey in Canada is outpricing the middle class family as well so kids starting to go to different sports. The same thing happened to basketball with the US... the Euros have completely closed the gap on America. Google "youth hockey registration down in Canada" and you'll see a bunch of articles that have been giving warnings about this for a while now. Alot of kids that COULD BE talented enough for the league we will never even know about because the selection has come down to rich families kids and rich families kids only. Whereas America has been making HUGE strides to make hockey more accessible and affordable than it's ever been. It still isn't cheap, but it's getting far easier for the middle class to now start hockey as a youth than it was when I was growing up. The amount of learn to play programs and house leagues have gone up to where the kids that DO have the talent to make that next step can at least have a chance.
well in Latvia for your kid to practice in hockey need like 15-300 euro a month not equipment included , i think that's pretty cheap. So maybe Canada needs to start to get that problem fixed first as youths with passion and work ethics might not be able to even afford practices while pampered kids get spoon fed and when challenge comes they collapse like dominos. That's why every Latvian team has that grit in it and will even lay down to take a hit from a puck as long it does not get in a net .At first i was surprised people calling hockey a rich kids game, but when i heard price you have to pay, my jaw dropped ....
This is interesting, from all I've read and seen popularity of hockey in Canada, at the youth level, is declining. Participation numbers are declining but in the USA popularity of hockey, at the youth level, is increasing and participation numbers are reflecting this. At the end of the day it is a numbers game. Right now, for the first time ever I believe, the USA and Canada have very similar participation levels in the sport and it's starting to show. If trends continue, I would suspect that the USA will only continue to improve and become more of a international power house in hockey. The real anomalies are the countries like Latvia, they need to get their props as that country is tiny! Perhaps Canada and the US need to take a closer look at what they are doing. The USA already did a study on Finland and Sweden and used that information to build its American Development Model (ADM) and that appears to be working. I believe Canada did the same but instead of embracing it, lots of people rejected it and started making these unsanctioned outlaw leagues because they know better than what the data shows. Definitely can't emulate the Fins and Sweds, even if they do produce the most elite talent per capita of any countries in the world.
I would add this: It will only get worse. Because of the changes in the NCAA such as NIL, and hockey roster size, there will be increased opportunities for Canadian kids to not only get an education ( but make more $ then in Canadian Juniors), Guess who is hurt? Yep the quality of Canadian Juniors and the overall development of Canadian hockey.
Blame immigration. Indian and Chinese immigrants don’t want their kids playing hockey. In the US, fewer white kids are playing football than ever before. They are choosing hockey instead.
@@davidbrown386 only thing is that unless they change the NIL policy the Canadian kids currently aren't eligible to make any money through NIL because they are playing and studying on a student VISA which doesn't allow you to make money in that way as far as I understand. It's kind of funny if it hurts Canadian Juniors because it was not the NCAA that pushed for this change, it was Canada, CHL or Canadian players. Someone sued the NCAA to allow for this eligibility rule change and IMHO the only one that really benefits from it are Canadian players. at least at this point. I could be wrong. only time will tell
Although Latvia is small this could also be an advantage as these players have played together since they were 5 years old...wheras team Canada is thrown together in a week.
@@hockeyaddict7007 oh for sure in this situation, if the players are good, that is absolutely an advantage. This is another reason the MN model produces solid teams from small towns. They keep their kids together from age 4/5 and they have a higher than average participation rate but if another state with a higher population could replicate the same model and participation rate they would most likely produce more high end talent. That is what I was getting at. I believe I heard it explained as the rule of 10. For every 10 players/participants you have 1 good player, so for every 100 players you have 1 great players and for every 1,000 players you have 1 elite player. Those are probably generalizations but sounds about right. So at the end of the day it is a game of numbers.
Team Canada and hockey mirrors the state that Canada the country is in right now. A state of complete disarray. Where more people are leaving to go to other countries than ever before. Where half of the country in certain areas is from india. Where were people can barely afford a house or rent but people are finding reasons to go to hockey games. It is absolutely no coincidence that for the first time in the history of Canadian hockey that they are losing this bad if you look at the state of the country. It's actually the only excuse and reason that makes any sense whatsoever.
Well we lost bad last year too against Czech
JC gets it! and of a bunch of neckbeards paying thousands of dollars to cheer on a bunch of 18 year olds, buy the jersey and hat and scream like soyjacks. Bread and circuses, when half the country can barely afford groceries.
@@cameronharrington354bedsy and fantilli could’ve been on that team but they were literally too good. There nhl team needed them.
Well said. Very well said.
You know nothing about hockey, this isn’t about immigration don’t make it political
This loss all came down to Bad Roster Decisions... where was Micheal Hage
Dickinson gloving the puck into his own net is the image we should all remember from this tournament
No worries, you’ll be the 51st state soon
/s
Bahahaha ur mom must be proud of you for being so smrt
Or they could become our 11th province. I'm okay with that.
@@elomellow1623 nice
Canadians are different now, growing up in the social media era, very soft, liberal type kids... selfish, thinking the world owes them something etc. 37 penalties in 5 games speaks VOLUMES about the state of the soft coaching and selfish kids. FWIW, coaches left off 3 players that should have been on the team in favor of 3 lesser skilled players. gross team... CAnadian hockey is dead and its because of soft parenting and soft coaching.
I would add this: You rarely see players from European Countries ( except Russia) remain in Canada (or even the US) after the season. So they are visible inspirations for the next generation of hockey players. Canadians? It is often summers in Florida, California or Texas instead of Winnipeg, Edmonton or Calgary.
100%. Laughing off every single penalty they take isn't a good look at all.
Hi from Czechia. Our kids use social media too, but they still manage to beat yours. When we look at Canadian hockey, what we see is an overwhelming sense of entitlement - a feeling that if Team Canada loses to the team from the country whose adult team is the current world champion, that is somehow "a complete and utter disaster". No, your kids lost to better teams and need to learn from that. Play more European, because it's clearly more successful. "Soft" or "liberal" (whatever the hell that's meant to mean) is not the issue. Entitled attitude and a lack of hockey intelligence is Team Canada's problem. Learn from us😀
Disagree. It's more of fact who ever organized the team was terrible this year. You dont know the politics of these kids. Why you bring up politics . When someone is not chosing these best. Dave Cameron was a terrible choice. Should be dale hunter running canada hockey .
Yes, but same time. Ever since subway super series was cancelled. Between russia and canada. The roster selection hasn't been the same. Getting to watch the best from all 3 leagues. Play 6 games against the russian national team. That series has been gone since russia and ukraine war started. Which was like? 3 to 4 years ago. They brought back the canada vs us team game. But, they only had 1 game in London. It needs be the same 6 games. Like the old russia vs canada series .
I'm impressed. The hockey forum I post on, half the Canadians there are whining about the refs. Canadians posting here seem to be more based in reality. Kudos.
That’s because most of them are probably Leafs fans. Whining about refs is the only way they can sleep soundly at night.
@@b12deficient24 I can tell that for all NHL team fans for real.
I said it through the whole tournament that it seemed like a bunch of guys trying to raise their draft position rather than an actual TEAM!
No crisp passing plays as in previous years... no setting up guys for the goal but rather, lots of individual skate arounds looking for the shot and then missing the net!
Brutal!! Just brutal!!
I'm glad I didn't have to pay money to watch any of it!
Cristall, Sennecke, Lidstrom, Iginla, Hage, Greentree and Misa all our top goal scoring forwards and not 1 made the team. Also keep in mind Bedard and Celebrini were young enough still too but we wouldn’t need them if we picked properly. Plus our top 3 D and then with Schaefer getting hurt. We were playing our C team.
@@lAmCanad1an I agree and Barlow,Yakemchuk,Parekh.
CHI and SJS would absolutely not send bedard and celebrini to the jun-jun's. they are considered their team's property and the hawks/sharks wouldn't dare risk injury to their investments.
Hopefully next year in Minnesota we will have an improvement than this team. Don’t bring back the coach from this year’s tournament.
I'm so sick of hearing this shit over and over again. Sometimes Canada loses. It's better for the game that other countries are better at hockey.
This narrative that "it's embarrassing when Canada loses" gives zero credit to the other teams.
Canada prior to this year's tournament had won gold in 10 out of the last 20 world junior hockey championships
Time to remove the imports from Canadian junior hockey. Why are we developing other countries’ players for them? Let them foot the bill. MCHGA
Finally someone said it
Starting with coaches and anyone involved with picking this team are to blame !! 😡👎🏼
Respect for not blaming the refs.
True. They're always bad.
There is no excuse to lose to Latvia, no matter the refs they aren’t the reason this team is out, sadly
Why do I think we will be repeating this in the next 4 Nations Cup and Olympics.
Dumb take, our four nations team is completely different lmfao
If our Starting goalie is the Starter from Montreal then you know we have Issues USA has the best goaltending in the 4 Nations our goaltenders are Backups and AHL guys 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂@@Laezerface
@@Laezerface Really, it's not the same tournament.WOW. Who knew?!! IMFAO......
@@BillC-64 when tf did I say that? reading comprehension is hard I guess
@@Laezerface Comprehension is hard for you. Understanding that success in Canadian hockey is not where it used to be, and Canadian dominance is gone, is really easy to see. Not for others. There has been a steady decline in the number of young people playing hockey in Canada and that will only continue.
Bad roster selections, plus all European teams have professional young players where Canada does not. Bad coaching too
these canadian kids are supposed to be professional players... Being drafted high and the CHL matches up with top leagues in europe, or atleast their second best leagues.
the fall of the country coincides with the fall of our national sport, I'm from Quebec and is the biggest fall of all the provinces and it hurts Canadian teams, where are the Lemieux, Bourque, Roy, Brodeur, Lecavalier, St-Louis, Gagné? I know where they are, playing video games or soccer, it's too expensive now and Hockey Quebec is a joke, TV hosts on sport channels like J-C Lajoie said it for years now, Jocelyn Thibault was named head of the organisation and he resigned saying there was too much crap going on and nothing happened afterwards, we don't even know who replaced him, women have screwed the Q too, the sports minister Isabelle Charest removed fighting in the Q and the new president Checcini was behind her, what a joke
thats what happens when you choose 3rd line grinders instead of top point scorers.
With a tournament with junior players you cant really count on having stellar defence. They built this team to win 3-2 which makes no sense when we wouldve been better off going HEAVY on offence since young players generally arent the best defensively. Shoudla built the team to win 6-3, not 3-2
Should not have been allowed to participate in the first place. Hockey Canada should not be allowed due to them trying to sweep the sexual assaults under the rug through paying off victims. We hold these kids accountable yet HC gets a pass!! If Russia can be held out of events due to politics, then HC should be held out too. Honestly...which one is worse?
3 years ago we were extremely dominant. It's not that these teams are getting that much better, we just don't choose the right players. Oh and coaching was terrible
And before there were dominant Finns, and before Russians, and before Czechs, USA, Swedes....
This is how the hockey world works for decades ... the big 6
Are you new at hockey?
Canada went in too cocky and got humbled
What everyone is forgetting here is;
In 2013 Hockey Canada in its infinite wisdom moved the body contact age from minor PeeWee u12 (when AAA starts in most of Canada) to minor Bantam u14. These last 4 or 5 year have been the first generation to go through this system and they suck. So since then the only players that make u12 AAA and small fast and highly skilled. No power forwards, grinders or punishing Defenders. Just small and skilled .
So when u14 rolls around the bigger more aggressive rougher tougher players are so far behind they have no chance of making a high level team.
Someone here is gonna say well “ Euro and the US have had body contact at bantam for years” ya and when we didn’t we killed them.
Eric Lindros would not make a u12 AAA team now. Too big and too much of a liability. He’d be in the box all the time for being to big. (I’ve seen it big player with the puck runs over a defender and he gets the penalty)
High level hockey is NOT for everyone. It’s violent,rough, and mean.
Most parent in Canada that put their kid in rep hockey are left with $100000 player that can’t go in the corners or throw a proper hit.
We teach high level skating skill to 7 and 8 year olds because we know teach them young is the best way. Then why not teach them how to though hit and take one young as well.
Judge a tree by the fruit it bars. And this tree is shit
Hockey Canada could see the writing on the wall which is why they begged the NCAA for the deal with Canada's Junior leagues! The only people that can possibly benefit from this deal are Canadian players to have a second chance at playing pro without playing in the ECHL or fed!
this was not a surprise to me. who the hell thought braden yager and easton cowan would lead canada to a gold medal. this is on team canada’s management, that group of guys had no chance
"I'm going to avoid using names." We wouldn't want any accountability, would we?
honestly he should be using names. So maybe next time they do better knowing it wont just be a slap on a wrist like now????Like for example that ice dancer in shoot out against Latvia, i forgot his name as he seems irrelevant useless team player who is just selfish in game where selfishness gets punished .
If this was a professional team yes. But it's not these are kids this is the world juniors give them a brake its way more likely to be a systemic problem if all of these great young players are having the same issues.
@@magnus1249 dude they represent the whole country. its even more important then professional team lol. they fuck up and they should man up
@@park1699 brother this isnt the olympics its the world JUNIORS "JUNIORS" maybe one of the reasons they had so much trouble is because they are in a shitty system with an ass coach and have more pressure on them than adults who make millions off this sport
@@magnus1249 they still represent canada. look how many good player where not pick who would have done a better job then some in this team. yes i agree management bear most of the blame but the player still put the jerseys on representing their country. if they dont want that pressure they can decline to play for team canada
Canada got too comfortable. Complacent even. Smell the flowers.
The reasons why Canada lost this game might be because of everything you stated, but the steady decline in youth hockey participation, and no great college hockey league oriented toward development are what's to blame. Canada's junior teams won't get better just by changing the coach.
The July, 2024 AP story about the decline of 23% of Canadian kids playing hockey since 2013, verifies what you are saying.
These are the men responsible for roster and coaching decisions: Al Murray, Peter Anholt, Brent Seabrook, Scott Salmond, Benoit Roy, Scott Walker, Dave Cameron, Mike Johnston, Chris Lazary, Sylvain Favreau, and Dan De Palma. They should ALL be BANNED from Team Canada hockey related activities. Misa, Sennecke, Hage, and Parekh weren't even invited to camp, nevermind not being locks to be on the team.
You just named only OHL players lol, maybe you shouldn’t have been in charge either.
@@TristanTay Fair enough. I don't watch the W or the Q so I'm not familiar with the players. Point is we need to bring the best players we have, period full stop.
All round disaster. Feel sorry for any nhl team that picked any one of these guys.
Finally someone willing to address the issues this team had. TSN blaming referees and crying foul when the team was just playing awful. Thise knees were both penalties in international hockey. Thats just the way it is. Stop crying and start working!
It literally is a reflection of our country
Not my country. My country is Canada. What's yours?
@CowboyPants-h5p you own nothing not your land but it's your country? 😂
Hard times make strong men.
Strong men make good times.
Good times make soft men.
Soft men make hard times.
Was Cameron holding Rock'em Sock'em video sessions instead of practices it's no wonder this guy couldn't hold an NHL job , bottom line just couldn't score
I wouldn't say that Canada played disastrously against the Czech Republic. From the middle of the game, they played the best hockey of the entire tournament. But they paid for their lack of discipline. Referees in international hockey punish even things they don't punish in the NHL. And Canada couldn't cope with that. Greetings from the Czech Republic.
Notice ever since Trudeau's been PM everything has gone to 💩 including team Canada 🇨🇦
Facts!! To many woke libtards in Canada
Trudeau was prime minister still when canada won gold. 🤦♂️ with logan stankoven and dylan garand as starter. God these conservs and no critical thinking.
Lol. True. Maybe this is the one thing we cant really blame on Turdeau though..
A new culture has been established in Canada for the past 20 years and more pronounced since Trudeau and the Liberals came to power. I like your comment and there is a correlation. Maybe small, but still a correlation. 15 years ago my son comes home from school / sports day. I asked " how did it go? " His response??? "Dad... teachers said we are all winners. No ribbons for 1st, 2nd etc. Everyone gets the same participation ribbon." The new culture, unless parents spend the time to develop and groom their kids otherwise. All the best !
Every Trudeau comment is idiotic. Since Trudeau was elected, Canada has won gold 5 of 9 tournaments. Over half we won Gold. It's always the dumb ones.
Bad coaching. Penalties. More bad coaching and more penalties. They were a disgrace.
the pronounciation of Šalé killed me LoL, i din´t even know if you meant him in the first couple of seconds xD, great vid btw
We obviously need a top to bottom rebuild in the management of Hockey Canada. Thats two years in a row now of unprecedented failure on their part. I’ll blame the adults before the kids, particularly when blame is due. On the other side, we saw a very undisciplined group of players lacking maturity along with a complete absence of offensive prowess. On the bright side, I believe Carter George is going to be a future star in the NHL. I was thoroughly impressed by his performance and I believe it came down to him alone which prevented us from being further embarrassed in the games which we lost. One question and potential point of scrutiny I would like to highlight is the makeup of the team by league. Is the OHL just that more talent rich than the other two leagues or are there political factors coming into play? I would expect that on any given year, perhaps up to half of the team may come from one league, with the other half being made up of a split of players from the other two. However for the WHL and QMJHL to only be represented by a small token group of players seems like a glaring aberration to me. There was literally only ONE player on the team from the Q. As I stated at the beginning however. I would start the process of reconstruction by firing the players entire coaching staff and general management team and go from there. No one can tell me it’s a lack of talent in our player pool and which is dictating our lack of success as of recent.
the world has caught up
World “caught up” 15-20 years ago and we been hearing ur comment the whole time…, if canada picked a real team they woulda been good, pick a crap team get crap results
They left some of the top Canadian players off the roster
Hockey Canada has been going down hill for the last 2 years? What happened in September 2023 again? Not surprised.
I will say some of the player selections are a bit puzzling, but this team should still be easily fighting for a medal.
However, it is as you highlighted in the video a positional problem, which is 100% a coaching issue for me. A lot of them are going to be playing a position they are not familiar with, you have to have the ability to understand formations and where to be on the ice at all times and how to move in relation to where the opposing team passes the puck (this is very important on the PK).
I'd love to know what they were doing in practices (when they had them), especially pre-tournament.
Throw in the lack of discipline and this team was never winning anything.
I think hockey Canada (and hockey in general) still hasn't gotten away from the "old boys" style of coaching. It just doesn't work anymore. Time to gut the game of all these old horses and put them out to pasture.
If Team Sweden wins it all this year I hope you will do a video on their team and how good ASP has been in the tournament.
Knowing that the other teams had better chemistry i would say this: does Canada have better players, yes, are they better than Czechia, no
I find this is a very Canada-centric take (yes, the subject of the video is Team Canada, but in sports, it takes two [teams] to tango). The main thesis I got was: we are not dominating like we used to because our team sucked, and here is an analysis of all the fundamental mistakes that were made during play. However, where is the analysis of the competitiveness of Germany, Latvia, Czechia, Finland, etc., and how that has evolved since the 90s? I'm certain one could analyze the horrible mistakes of Team Canada during tournaments going back to our years of dominance. The critical difference (in my opinion) is, in those years, our opponents were simply not of the same calibre as they are today.
So yes, gone are our years of dominance a couple of decades ago. Moreover, gone are the days where every international hockey trophy would be won, alternatingly, by Canada, Russia, the USA or Sweden. And frankly, I'm happy for it and don't find it a reason to be frustrated, since this sport is becoming so much bigger and competitive around the world.
You are talking about ignorance, but you put Canada, Russia, Sweden and USA as top teams in history?! What a joke! Chechia is 3rd in gold medals, 2nd in overall medal in IIHF championships.
Since 1992 it is Canada, Chechia, Sweden and Russia in this order. Before 90s Canada was playing simple physical hockey focused only on playing hard, eastern European smart hockey changed NHL after 1990 and yes, Canadian hockey changed as well.
Lemme guess you’re from one of the other countries you mentioned… we sucked, simple as that. If we’re on our A game, we beat all of you, stop coping
@@petrhanousek4301 Don't get your panties in a twist. The person who made the video was referencing a period a couple decades back where Canada was dominating. Neither he nor I was talking about 'all of history'. Furthermore, given that this video was about the World Junior Championship, it's odd to exclude the context of THAT medal tally from your reading of my comment. Finally, the political reality around the breakup of Czechoslovakia further complicates the continuity of any medal tally, but that's beside the point.
All that to say, I stand by everything I said. Canada experienced a period of dominance a while back, and people like the author of the video attribute the end of that dominance implicitly to us being worse than we were, rather than smaller European teams being better. That Czechoslovakia and Czechia together are 3rd in gold medals for ALL of IIHF World Championship (but not World Junior) history says nothing to this point.
@@Laezerface Ironic, your allegation of coping. Don't know if you'll understand why though.
As for your other accusation, my use of first-person pronouns -- we, our -- in reference to Team Canada should give you a hint of where else you're wrong.
'If we're on our A game, we beat all of [them]' can easily be spun right round, which was my entire point, which you seem to have (unsurprisingly) missed. When we dominated before, was everyone else on their A-game? I'm sure you do not track the behind-the-scenes of Team Finland or the Liiga, so how would you know?
Your comment oozes arbitrary nationalistic pride, which was the very thing I was criticizing about the video.
@@mnpa6154 I get what you are saying, I am just saying that Chechia always was and still is amongst the most successful hockey nations. Well above USA, Finland, Latvia, Switzerland, Germany and others that are getting better.
Yes, USA might be better in standings in juniors, but I don't compare juniors because Chechia just doesn't have numbers and money in other leagues than adults. Canada and USA has over 500k registered players, Chechia has 27k, you just can't have the same quality junior league with those numbers.
My point is that it is the heart, hard work and smart play that keeps Chechia up top. Yes, there was recent downfall, but that happens everywhere.
And to further explain why I understand little better what you are saying is that I have moved to Canada 6 years ago and yes, I see exactly what you are saying. If Canada wins, Canada is the best, if Canada loses, Canada just had bad team, bad coaches, bad referees etc. It is never about the other team being better.
Team Canada's roster has never been about team work or even representing their country.
This is about individual accolaides. You know this because it's the time of year where Bob MacKenzie actually shows up to work. The better you do, the higher you end up on his list. This is also a huge cash grab for Bell Media, there's that too. Bell media relies on this tournament, it's a Canadian staple around Christmas and New Years - so once again that is a lot of pressure.
Team USA have a better structure and less pressure. We should be sending our players to higher schooling not relying on these tournaments.
As an American, this has been absolutely beautiful to see the gradual downfall of Hockey Canada. The Canadian fans used to be so obnoxious and disrespectful to other countries. They have been served a very nice slice of humble pie. 👍🇺🇸
As a Canadian I think that is probably a fair statement. Hopefully we will do better next year. Your team looks amazing! I like a tournament where a number of teams have a chance. It’s good for the sport of hockey. Hey as a Habs fan I’m really glad to have Cole Caulfield & Lane Hutson on my team. Thanks USA! 😊
Junior hockey politics meant that most of the top Canadian players weren't even on the team. Keep dreaming bud
Yes because you Americans are known for being so humble. 🙄literally most arrogant obnoxious population on earth, that's quite rich coming from you.
I agree it's nice to see. But coming from someone that cheers for neither, i find US fans equally obnoxious lol.
@@paalluw How? We haven't won an Olympic gold since 1980. Sure we've had success in juniors recently but we haven't had much to brag about.
Also the Challenge by Cameron. How clueless is he? That was SO FAR from being a goal…. He burned two minutes off the clock forcing a PK for a challenge that had probably less than 0.01% chance of working…
Canada lost its motivation since Russia left the building
The Americans are doing a good job replacing them
So they are unmotivated to take down team USA? They'd rather be embarrassed by America instead? Makes no sense.
We've had players from Canada playing in these tournaments, but we haven't seen a team Canada in a while.... Wonder if Poilievre can fix that too... seems to be some DEI infecting the precision of which this organization can operate. It's the Canada we've been sold for the last 10 years... No industry, No hockey, No Identity, No anything....
Canada is a soft country, these are soft kids
... I'd also argue that the rest of the world is quickly catching up in development. Hockey is hardly the 4th most popular sport in the U.S. and is prohibitively expensive If it were to catch fire, more youth would have a chance to play. I'm curious what would happen.
It way too expensive to play competetive hockey now. ( unless ur from an inner city)
They lost to Latvia hahahahahahah
Talent, discipline……….BAM! Hockey in Canada is unaffordable for 90% of parents with athletic kids. They don’t play hockey anymore……..they play Soccer and Basketball. COST is the #1 problem with Canadian hockey and it won’t get any better until we do something about it. We ARE losing OUR GAME!
I though Canada did great🙃. See you in the 4 nations and Olympics😂😂😂😂
It’s America’s sport now….
Especially when they get annexed in the near future 😉
how? you can put money to buy the cup, but it's still not America's... stick to baseball and basketball. Nobody else cares about those hobbies.
a vast majority of the players are Canadian. Almost every superstar that still holds a record is either Canadian or European. The hall of fame is in Canada. The championship cup stays in Canada. Lord Stanley himself was Canadian. how exactly is it America's game? I mean... besides complete ignorance.
How did Tampa Bay, LA, Chicago and Pittsburgh get their dynasties? on the backs of Canadians... Stamkos, Crosby, Lemieux, Gretzky, Toews.... you're welcome!
Bro just wakes up and decides to hate lmao
The last time you won gold in the olympics was 1980 and the world championship in 1960. The US sucks at hockey compared to Canada, Russia or other european countries.
I'm an American so I don't have the perspective of a Canadian hockey fan. That said, I definitely don't believe that the fault should be placed on the players at all. It should go completely to the people who made the personnel decisions and to the coaches who didn't do nearly enough to make sure that the players were ready. Hockey Canada has some serious issues to work out and they're going to have a heck of a time winning this tournament until they do.
To quote Nik Anthropov from years ago. “If they’re the best, why don’t they win.”
Canada isn’t the best hockey nation anymore.
It's not 'embarrassing' to lose to the Czechs. Canada needs to get over itself. Other countries are good at hockey too.
It is definitely embarrassing when you have the kind of hockey infrastructure and culture we do. We have a far larger talent pool to draw from than the Czechs.
@@b12deficient24 When you call it embarrassing it's just an insult to the Czechs who were the better team. Sometimes (often) the better team wins and not the more talented collection of players.
@@jasonjansen9831 Czechs played well against the team we had. The embarrassing part is that Hockey Canada could’ve put together a much better team but they’re incompetent.
It's never good to lose but it's not quite as embarrassing as everyone is trying to make this out. Last year the Czechs a very good team scored the winning quarter final goal with 11 seconds remaining, this quarter final winning goal was scored with 39 seconds remaining in the game
Blame it on Trudeau 😮
Opponents used drones at canada practices, they cheated for sure😞
The refs, drones... losers use excuses.
My comment on drones was a joke to be funny , your haven’t any sense of humour.
Probably still young and finding your way.
Good luck
Chemistry is such a cop-out.
As an American, this is one instance where Canadian sports and culture is unique.
The closest thing we have to this is our US Women's Soccer Team. Where they are expected to win, every match, every tournament, year in, year out.
Even that still pales in comparison. These are kids. All under 20, The women are atleast adults. Insufferable at times but still adults.
My heart goes out to these kids.
Hockey Canada won't change. This is an organization deeply rooted in Old Boys culture that sits in an echo chamber of hockey thought scarcely more refined than Don Cherry's caveman ideas on "the right way to play". Worse, the brains at HC reject all criticism from "civilians" and will defend their old boys to the end. Cameron will absolutely maintain his place on the speed dial list for HC when it needs coaches at the WC or WJC. No one is going to lose their jobs. If a massive sex assault coverup scandal can't sink this festering toilet of ineptitude, no chance this will.
Well, you should do your homework a bit better. The fact is that following last year's abuse scandal involving five members of the 2018 world juniors team, Hockey Canada DID in fact clean house. Their entire board of directors were fired and were replaced with social justice warriors. 5 women and 4 men, none of which have any hockey back ground with the exception of Gillian Apps who was a member of the women's Olympic team. I agree that scandal cover ups should be fully investigated and those involved properly dealt with. Hockey culture is in fact changing and you're witnessing it right now. The "old boys club" you referred to is responsible for the decades worth of winning tradition Canada, as a Country, has enjoyed as a hockey power.