I've had a very similar deck for a while now and it's a lot of fun to play! Some of the differences and changes that might be worth considering: - The power level of the deck can actually be modulated by a single decision made on the first Rocco tutor: - Norin for a nice casual experience - Mistbreath Elder for a bit more speed - Wirewood Symbiote for when you really wanna crank it up (the card is hilariously good) - I'm running 15 Ramp pieces that cost 2 or less, specifically to guarantee dropping Rocco on turn 3 - Boromir, Warden of the Tower can be used in combination with Samwise Gamgee to have access to a Selfless Spirit effect every single turn-cycle - Relic of Legends is very *very* good, turning both Rocco and Norin into mana dorks (which gets stupid with Wirewood Symbiote). This can even let you Swords or Path things on other turns with no mana up once Norin comes back in the end step - Should Norin somehow die, Rocco for Extraction Specialist to get him back immediately - Mardu Woe-Reaper is fantastic graveyard hate in this deck (Norin does happen to be a Warrior, even if he is a coward) - Mace of the Valiant becomes a very big bonk stick very quickly EDIT: www.moxfieldcom/decks/VAFSVPXNRk61ijPX6qGx3w Here's the link to the list, just add the dot.
@@DaPujj That's what Rocco is for after all, just grabs Welcoming Vampire or Moon-Blessed Cleric (which then gets whatever you want). I'd replace something with Enduring Innocence if I had one. Also with the number of times I'm casting Rocco to grab something I never really run out of cards in hand. Baumi's version of the deck just grabs Norin first every time and plays a lot more draw effects that work with him due to that, I abuse Rocco more to have access to a wide variety to stuff and can therefore cut down on the amount of similar effects I'm running
The red card Ather Revolt from MH3 is pretty good, it works basically as a second copy of torbrand if your looking for one, or plying buget as its less then 50 cents
Holy cow, I just watched the intro without looking at the channel and thought to myself, "That voice sounds familiar." Without realizing that it was Baumi the whole time! I used to watch you HoN videos years ago and it's awesome to see that you're making magic content! Cheers!
@@CommanderBaumi Containment Priest, Hallowed Moonlight, and Mistcaller could eat Norin instead of him returning. Cycling Nimble Obstructionist to stifle Norin's leave trigger could leave him susceptible to other forms of interaction, assuming you don't also have an instant to cast in response to hide him again. Cards like Lethal Vapors and Portcullis would deal with him, but you'd still get the ETB triggers on other things and since they're triggers you can flicker Norin out again with another instant, buying you some time. There's also ways to make having a Norin be detrimental to its owner, like slamming an Overburden and having them bounce all their own lands.
Skullwinder actually does not commit a crime. You choose an opponent, without targeting, and then they choose a card in their graveyard, again without targeting. Committing a crime needs a target to go off.
Funny deck, I might be crazy enough to proxy a version of it for the next game night lol. Worth noting, at 18:30, you mentioned split second cards -- these actually don't prevent Norin from triggering, they only stop players from casting spells or activating abilities. Norin still gets to peacefully excuse himself from the table, which means that's one less thing that can actually deal with him. What a safe, OSHA-compliant little dude!
Both Riftsweeper and Pull from Eternity are thankfully in the color identity of this deck, so you could REALLY confirm that Norin can almost never truly be removed from the game
I think a card which has been incredible for me in this deck is wirewood symbiote, it lets you play rocco over and over again. It's so good that I shifted most of my ramp to mana dorks (especially ones that make more than one mana).
As a mono red commander Norin player this pleases me greatly, and Genesis Chamber is one of my favorite cards to run with Norin. Thank you for this. I've been casually messing with 60 card Naya and Boros Norin sister's decks for years now
I kind of wish there was a cycle of cards that combined Rocco with the partner mechanic. Specifically a mechanic like: "Beastmaster Partner": At the start of the game, choose a nonlegendary creature of x creature type. It becomes your commander alongside this one. Would be pretty cool to have a commander that lets you pick your favorite nonlegendary dragon as a commander. It wouldn't be nearly as flexible as Rocco's ability, restricting you to only one creature of a specific type, so maybe there's a way to make it not broken.
That's neat. I made my rocco deck a giltleaf archdruid secret commander druid tribal deck. Ramps ridiculously fast and then holds the table's lands hostage before casting massive fireballs or hydras. Very fun.
This is crazy. A video from an old channel - I used to watch ALL your dota videos back in the day - on a commander I'm really interested in building in this specific strategy! I currently have a mono-red Norin deck and it's a lot of fun but quite salty. You are forced to go pure chaos which a lot of people don't like. And there's no good card draw or enchantment removal! Very curious about this, will be giving it a try
I made this exact deck, except I basically crammed everything I could for card draw with norin’s etb. I find squee + worldfire, and float enough to cast both as a wincon
Norin the Wary was my favourite card for ages. I played it in standard alongside pandemonium, casual decks with Confusion in the ranks, and yes I also built this deck, it was pretty stupid.
I have a buddy who plays this deck as well. Fortunately the triggers from norin on end of turn are pretty straightforward and simple. I’ve never felt like my friend monopolized game time with the deck. He is the threat basically every time though. Every card is an engine basically so he’s always scary.
I'm new to MTG so hopefully someone could answer this. If you have buff enchantments say enough to add +3/+3 to all creatures you control. Noran ETBs as his 2/1 self. Wouldn't the ETB triggers if power is 3 or less apply to the stack before the enchantments that boost stats?
The red card Ather Revolt from MH3 is pretty good, it works basically as a second copy of torbrand if your looking for one, or plying buget as its less then 50 cents
Rachel Week has a deck something like this, unique and awesome fun trolling What make this deck most scary is the consistency it can be pull off due to the tutor effect by the commander and the rest of the poll of cards in the deck is gas of draws and death from a thousand cut burn 1 repeatedly 😅
Also depends where you buy from. The price listed is from card kingdom, if you buy from tcg player, before shipping it is actually only $45 and $65 after shipping
I've been trying to build a non-blue blink deck. I was building feather the redeemed sort of like this, but this is way stronger. I already own most of those cards, so maybe I'll build this
i also disassembled one of my more powerful decks as it would also just keep winning it was dina, soul steeper aristocrats, and there was a multitude of ways to make tokens and aristocrat opponents down. if the board got wiped/ countered/ locked down/ etc, i could always pull a win from out my ass with a few recursions or tutors. it was fun the first couple of times, then winning just became kinda hollow feeling. then i didnt really enjoy always winning and stopped playing it for a while, building other decks. ive remade it into food with the LOTR hobbit set and finally settled on leaving it as squirrel/ food with bloomburrows release. ive semi retired the deck, as my new favorite deck to play now its Phelddagrif(moo deng) groug hug. Now with the awakening Enchantment to flood the board with as many Moo dengs as possible 🤣
I've got a much more not budget friendly version (it uses dual lands and some of the other non budget friendly cards you suggested), but a lot more focus using the white blink spells both single and full board versions, as both protection, a ETB re-enabler or finisher if you have enough etb pingers on board.. i've had a crazy start of turn 1 sol ring, turn 2 wood elves into ephemerate gets insane 8 mana for turn 3. For those interested also recommend Soul partition and wirewood symbiote to re-use rocco.
The last time I played Norin... I abused their Confusion of the Ranks to steal norin at an inopportune time ftw.... felt real good after getting bullied all gane.
I've had a very similar deck for a while now and it's a lot of fun to play!
Some of the differences and changes that might be worth considering:
- The power level of the deck can actually be modulated by a single decision made on the first Rocco tutor:
- Norin for a nice casual experience
- Mistbreath Elder for a bit more speed
- Wirewood Symbiote for when you really wanna crank it up (the card is hilariously good)
- I'm running 15 Ramp pieces that cost 2 or less, specifically to guarantee dropping Rocco on turn 3
- Boromir, Warden of the Tower can be used in combination with Samwise Gamgee to have access to a Selfless Spirit effect every single turn-cycle
- Relic of Legends is very *very* good, turning both Rocco and Norin into mana dorks (which gets stupid with Wirewood Symbiote). This can even let you Swords or Path things on other turns with no mana up once Norin comes back in the end step
- Should Norin somehow die, Rocco for Extraction Specialist to get him back immediately
- Mardu Woe-Reaper is fantastic graveyard hate in this deck (Norin does happen to be a Warrior, even if he is a coward)
- Mace of the Valiant becomes a very big bonk stick very quickly
EDIT: www.moxfieldcom/decks/VAFSVPXNRk61ijPX6qGx3w Here's the link to the list, just add the dot.
Heya, sorry to ask, do you perhaps have a list to share of the different things you've added? tysm in advance :)
Had a look at your deck, cool stuff! Do you ever feel the lack of draw you’re running affects you?
@@DaPujj That's what Rocco is for after all, just grabs Welcoming Vampire or Moon-Blessed Cleric (which then gets whatever you want). I'd replace something with Enduring Innocence if I had one. Also with the number of times I'm casting Rocco to grab something I never really run out of cards in hand.
Baumi's version of the deck just grabs Norin first every time and plays a lot more draw effects that work with him due to that, I abuse Rocco more to have access to a wide variety to stuff and can therefore cut down on the amount of similar effects I'm running
so cool ! I'll look it up
The red card Ather Revolt from MH3 is pretty good, it works basically as a second copy of torbrand if your looking for one, or plying buget as its less then 50 cents
Norin: "Will this life of suffering never end?"
Prodigal Sorcerer: "I got you"
I was just going to say, there are a plethora of Activated Abilities that would stop Norin, but not many players run them.
This is what Blessed Sanctuary is for.
Holy cow, I just watched the intro without looking at the channel and thought to myself, "That voice sounds familiar." Without realizing that it was Baumi the whole time! I used to watch you HoN videos years ago and it's awesome to see that you're making magic content! Cheers!
Had the same but from Dota
Panharmonicon effects have an additional benefit, Rocco's tutor ability is an etb trigger which will be doubled.
I think split second dosen't actually stop triggered abilities
so norin would still survive split second removal
Also love this deck list =)
Seems you're right! I'm always learning new things, that's why Magic is so cool. And that makes Norin even more impossible to kill lmao
@@CommanderBaumi yeah it would have to be an activated ability.
@@CommanderBaumi Containment Priest, Hallowed Moonlight, and Mistcaller could eat Norin instead of him returning. Cycling Nimble Obstructionist to stifle Norin's leave trigger could leave him susceptible to other forms of interaction, assuming you don't also have an instant to cast in response to hide him again. Cards like Lethal Vapors and Portcullis would deal with him, but you'd still get the ETB triggers on other things and since they're triggers you can flicker Norin out again with another instant, buying you some time. There's also ways to make having a Norin be detrimental to its owner, like slamming an Overburden and having them bounce all their own lands.
Skullwinder actually does not commit a crime. You choose an opponent, without targeting, and then they choose a card in their graveyard, again without targeting. Committing a crime needs a target to go off.
Funny deck, I might be crazy enough to proxy a version of it for the next game night lol.
Worth noting, at 18:30, you mentioned split second cards -- these actually don't prevent Norin from triggering, they only stop players from casting spells or activating abilities. Norin still gets to peacefully excuse himself from the table, which means that's one less thing that can actually deal with him. What a safe, OSHA-compliant little dude!
That Secret Rendezvous + Freestrider Lookout joke had no right to be as funny as it was :D
Both Riftsweeper and Pull from Eternity are thankfully in the color identity of this deck, so you could REALLY confirm that Norin can almost never truly be removed from the game
I think a card which has been incredible for me in this deck is wirewood symbiote, it lets you play rocco over and over again. It's so good that I shifted most of my ramp to mana dorks (especially ones that make more than one mana).
As a mono red commander Norin player this pleases me greatly, and Genesis Chamber is one of my favorite cards to run with Norin.
Thank you for this. I've been casually messing with 60 card Naya and Boros Norin sister's decks for years now
This deck sounds amazing! My Rube Goldberg Machine brain *loves* all these Combos, I might need to put this one together. Thanks for the awesome vid!
The editing of this video is immaculate
I kind of wish there was a cycle of cards that combined Rocco with the partner mechanic. Specifically a mechanic like: "Beastmaster Partner": At the start of the game, choose a nonlegendary creature of x creature type. It becomes your commander alongside this one. Would be pretty cool to have a commander that lets you pick your favorite nonlegendary dragon as a commander. It wouldn't be nearly as flexible as Rocco's ability, restricting you to only one creature of a specific type, so maybe there's a way to make it not broken.
3 color Norin? i like your thinking.
That's neat. I made my rocco deck a giltleaf archdruid secret commander druid tribal deck. Ramps ridiculously fast and then holds the table's lands hostage before casting massive fireballs or hydras. Very fun.
I can see from many of the card choices that Baumi is a (MTGGoldfish) Richard enjoyer.
Secret Rendezvous, Fog, Bouncelands, Skullwinder, ...
Don’t forget that any lord effect buffing your creatures like war leaders call will negate cards like innocence and Saradoc from triggering off norin
twinshot sniper's channel ability
that card is relevant removal
*removal for norin
My God! What have you served up?
This is crazy. A video from an old channel - I used to watch ALL your dota videos back in the day - on a commander I'm really interested in building in this specific strategy!
I currently have a mono-red Norin deck and it's a lot of fun but quite salty. You are forced to go pure chaos which a lot of people don't like.
And there's no good card draw or enchantment removal!
Very curious about this, will be giving it a try
amazing deck dude!
I made this exact deck, except I basically crammed everything I could for card draw with norin’s etb. I find squee + worldfire, and float enough to cast both as a wincon
Norin the Wary was my favourite card for ages. I played it in standard alongside pandemonium, casual decks with Confusion in the ranks, and yes I also built this deck, it was pretty stupid.
I love these kinds of decks to goldfish- but to not dominate game time I have to rush through stuff and people get confused
I have a buddy who plays this deck as well. Fortunately the triggers from norin on end of turn are pretty straightforward and simple. I’ve never felt like my friend monopolized game time with the deck. He is the threat basically every time though. Every card is an engine basically so he’s always scary.
I'm new to MTG so hopefully someone could answer this.
If you have buff enchantments say enough to add +3/+3 to all creatures you control.
Noran ETBs as his 2/1 self. Wouldn't the ETB triggers if power is 3 or less apply to the stack before the enchantments that boost stats?
I've built almost the exact deck about a year ago, and i can confirm, it is an absolute menace. Amazing Video!
Oh this, this is like. And budget, too! This is fantastic.
Do you have a more expensive version of this deck? This looks like fun in EDH tournaments with a higher price ceiling like $200
The red card Ather Revolt from MH3 is pretty good, it works basically as a second copy of torbrand if your looking for one, or plying buget as its less then 50 cents
thx for the video. i just built Norin mono Red because I'm a big fan of this boy, but in Naya colours it seems more fun. will try it out :D
This is the goofiest deck I have ever seen and I love it.
Rachel Week has a deck something like this, unique and awesome fun trolling
What make this deck most scary is the consistency it can be pull off due to the tutor effect by the commander and the rest of the poll of cards in the deck is gas of draws and death from a thousand cut burn 1 repeatedly 😅
Excellent deck! Can’t wait to prove it! Tell me: would you be up for a Hapatra Budget deck? Still resists me 😅😅 greetings from Spain!
Sweet deck tech. Any jund or goldari commander to brew?
My pod would be upset that you recommend against something like Aura Shards but give the OK to East Tree xD
my buddy made his mon red norin into this with my recommendation and this decks is so much fun to play against and with
This deck is awesome I love Norin the wary since I have a mono red Norin deck and man does it end games fast if I'm able to get the right pieces
If you add the new Norin as well, you can reuse Rocco if anyone ever decides to block him. xD
Oh damn, it’s that one dota guy. I was going crazy trying to recognize your voice.
also immer schön die engines abschießen. gut zu wissen :)
So... If someone were to rip Norin from your deck before you got to tutor him up, say, with a praetor's grasp, you are screwed?
i've added riftsweeper to stop certain exile cards from doing this, unfortunately nothing to protect cards that exile face down.
I think I would return the favor and deflecting swat your card with a wild richochete, with no need to rely on some Tibalts trickery.
The thumbnail is a lie. If u go onto the moxfield link provided, it's roughly around $135
It's in euros, the european market prices are very different.
The thumbnail says 50 Euros bro. Not USD. Also moxfield isn't always accurate.
Also depends where you buy from. The price listed is from card kingdom, if you buy from tcg player, before shipping it is actually only $45 and $65 after shipping
I didn't know you made magic content. I found you through your Dota content and loved it. Guess I have a new Channel to watch.
Hi, love the deck.
But why there is 2 gala greeters. In norin value and norin lifegain ?
you can tags to put a card in multiple categories, pretty standard when making a deck to do this
This ist the First Video of Not DotA Baumi im watching, and i did not notice. I positivly supprised.
I had a deck basically like this and I too took it apart because it was too strong.
that looks disgusting.. I love it
I've been trying to build a non-blue blink deck. I was building feather the redeemed sort of like this, but this is way stronger. I already own most of those cards, so maybe I'll build this
Feather Blink is a ton of fun
i also disassembled one of my more powerful decks as it would also just keep winning
it was dina, soul steeper aristocrats, and there was a multitude of ways to make tokens and aristocrat opponents down. if the board got wiped/ countered/ locked down/ etc, i could always pull a win from out my ass with a few recursions or tutors.
it was fun the first couple of times, then winning just became kinda hollow feeling. then i didnt really enjoy always winning and stopped playing it for a while, building other decks.
ive remade it into food with the LOTR hobbit set and finally settled on leaving it as squirrel/ food with bloomburrows release.
ive semi retired the deck, as my new favorite deck to play now its Phelddagrif(moo deng) groug hug. Now with the awakening Enchantment to flood the board with as many Moo dengs as possible 🤣
Can you share the upgraded decklist?
I've got a much more not budget friendly version (it uses dual lands and some of the other non budget friendly cards you suggested), but a lot more focus using the white blink spells both single and full board versions, as both protection, a ETB re-enabler or finisher if you have enough etb pingers on board.. i've had a crazy start of turn 1 sol ring, turn 2 wood elves into ephemerate gets insane 8 mana for turn 3. For those interested also recommend Soul partition and wirewood symbiote to re-use rocco.
Is there an expensive version of the deck? I would love to see a maxed out list
The last time I played Norin... I abused their Confusion of the Ranks to steal norin at an inopportune time ftw.... felt real good after getting bullied all gane.
Wait you're into Magic?!! I've been following your Dota channel for years to just find out about this now?! xD
No aura shards?
By 10 minutes in, you'd already said enough to convince me to buy the deck lol
What a beautiful deck. It's like watching a symphony
There is problem, what if, enemies "accidentally" mill it?
I played norin sisters when I first started modern, until I couldn't anymore because it got powered out of the format :') good times
I would also advise putting Cathars' Crusade in this deck. Way too much math.
Go Baumi!!!
love it 😍
Fantastic deck idea! Keep up the great work
This is a fun idea 😮
great video
11 removal too much? You do you, but 10 has been my very baseline for awhile now, more often 15
I need this video to stay at low views. Cause this deck is just to good and too fun for the world to handle…
To much power corrupts absolute
Wait a minute. Didnt this voice use to make dota videos?
hey its me watching almost half an hour of a game i dont quite understand
It's awesome, you should try it. Feel free to ping me with any questions!
I still have my $100 Rocco locco deck.. I can share my decklist if you want to.. hehehe
spielste net normal dota? kenne dein gesicht und stimme irgendwoher...
wait a min, since when did baumi starter making MTG content ???
Crazy how you have the same deck to show as someone else who uploaded a video 8 days prior to this?
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Upboat
Naya Norin is a cool idea. Being mono red is a major restriction for building Norin