All navy men are trained to fight ship fires, and ships are designed around fire safety. ( A little off subject, but this is why the US won the Battle of Midway. The Japanese couldn’t stop the onboard fires on the four ( 4 ) aircraft carriers ) TK
The fire started in the area they were working/modifying the ship and apparently the fire system was secured. My second submarine sank without permission in 69 commissioned in 72 I was onboard 77-79 she sank on a regular basis by order of course
Yes except the ship is a fire hazard when the contractors start storing massive quantities of flammable items and disable the fire suppression system. Automatic fire suppression systems are everything to a ship like automatic sprinkler systems are to a high rise building.
Gundecked maintence, failure to understand the material readiness of the ship, damage control section not trained up to standard, breakdown of the chain of command, and more that culimated in losing a ship at berth that we just spent over $200 million on a modernization upgrade for? This incident was a real clusterfuck that's frankly embarrassing for the Navy. I'm glad no lives were lost and respect the efforts of the crew and SD fire department, but there are some serious lessons to be learned here. Respect to the commands doing a great job with all their shit together in this regard but this cannot happen again.
Superstructure failed. Fire lasted from sunday to wednesday, firefighters were walking bulkhead to bulkhead on pallets because water was boiling. Fire started below vehicle stowage where flammable material for vehicle outfitting were stored. At least that's what I heard from a family friend that helped during this time.
A ship you worked on is like bringing up a daughter before you hand her off for marriage. The feelings you must have felt, must have been just as bad as knowing your daughter suffered some major trauma. My sympathies :(
@Timothy Mccarthy It's shockingly 'easy' to get onboard one of these vessels, docked in harbors. I imagine for a saboteur while everyone was on yard work, and with the epidimemic no one would suspect, easily to attack.
The folks who say this is sabotage are grossly uninformed AND have Never been on a MAN of War afflicted with yard birds. Yard birds have 20 % scumbags. They shit in our gutted birthing compartments and know little IF anything About D.C. The halon System was tagged out. Cables , High pressure Air runs hither and yon. There is Zero water tight integrity. Out of 1000 they had but 100 Sailors. During Maintenance many Sailors of all rates Go to a few , challenging and realistic Ship Board FIRE and flooding D.C School. By the Time I finished my three years in CG 17 I had attended three awesome schools in Norfolk. The only Silver lining Will be the painful lessons learned promulgated to the deck plates. Out of a 100 probably 20-30 were experienced Advanced Damage Controlman. Mike Former HM2 ( SW ) ( FMF )
It's not easy to fight a shipboard fire, even when everyone is onboard! I was on the USS Ranger (CV-61) in 1983 and we had an Engine Room fire at sea, and it took us 12 Hours to put it out. We lost 6 Sailors in that fire. The smoke was so thick you couldn't see 2 inches from your face mask. Anyone remember the old OBA's?
Yeah. Those things suck to put out, I’m only a fire explorer, but something tells me that a fire invaded inside a giant metal ship full of tunnels is not gonna be an easy fight!
yes only thing we had back when I was in Navy was OBA's. This duty section should never have left the ship. All hands bear a hand rigging hoses from where ever they worked. Too much of the fire fighting systems were out of service. The ships across the pier could have supplied water no problem. So many things wrong in the Navy training for Damage Control now.
No hope that ship is FUBAR use it as target practice!! Sink it and let the scuba divers play in it!!! I said it on Sunday sink it last time a ship burned in our harbor it took a week to stop it same applies with this giant and it's doing irreparable damage to our lungs!!!
@@jt8713 Most of our Navy ships have millions of dollars worth of sensitive equipment among other material. While I have no idea if they will scrap/scuttle LHD-6 or not, they need to put the fires out so they can remove and either recover or fully destroy said material.
Hope you save the USS Bonhomme Richard and look after her crew, best regards to all those fighting to save her, stay safe & good luck, best regards from the UK
In about two years, you'll be able to get a commemorative set of pots and pans made of the metal from this ship from the Franklin Mint. Watch for an ad on Facebook.
Doesn’t the Navy, or the dockyard, have modern fire boats? I come from Hong Kong, where massive container ships come into our port; the HK Government has a fleet of fire boats that can pump millions of gallons
Why did the admiral say initiallly that clothes and books were mainly burning but that the fire would last several days? He also said there was no toxic hazard from the smoke and all was fine with the EPA.
He is half right. All the living spaces are burning. So, being, gear, furniture, etc. As for HAzmat? There is some. Not as much if full of planes vehicles and ammo.
If repair estimates exceed 1/2 of the cost of buying new, it's better to replace and move on. Because estimates are always lowballed, they should really strike her if the estimate is even 1/3 that of a new ship. Which I can tell you right now it is. She has sailed her last voyage.
@Robert Zuccaro Yes, my last ship CV-67 before, decommissioning, 2005, they had a fire /explosion, hanger bay DC, placed training canisters, into a used OIL Drum, not cleaned, oil left over started , canisters too burn.
@@timholmes4331 Anyone who remembers the OBA is an old timer. lol. You are truly an old timer if you can even slightly recall how to expel the used canister. Something about having it hang over a bucket of water? It's been a long time.
I absolutely understand and agree. It has been 31 years since I retired, but I see our younger shipmates suiting up to fight this conflagration, it makes me incredibly proud of them, and it makes me KNOW that the very important things transcend generations.
Retired MMCM here, I agree with all of these comments. Fortunately no one was hurt. Unfortunately we are also gaining a butt ton of shipboard fire fighting experience. If any good at all comes from this, hopefully they’ll incorporate the lessons learned into every damn bit of DC training we do.
@@frankmcgee3213 I know they said that the halon was tagged out for maintains but if it was in the lower V then they should have had sprinklers. If they tagged out all the sprinkler system I guarantee they'll never do that again on any ship. I also agree that it's nice for once the lessons isn't going to be "written in blood". That alright if thing calm down and people can travel I'll fly back to the States and pick up a brush for free. That one thing we'll always take from the navy is how to paint.
Chris Hogancamp it was probably just shore FF and temporary hoses. Honestly when I saw the first pictures all I could think of was the carriers in WWII burning after kamikazes. Forrestal, Enterprise and Oriskany were concentrated aft but this was the entire length of the ship. The Navy would be foolish not to use this as a training scenario. I’d expect some changes to shipyard availability FF procedures and training. But from what I have seen, our men and women have performed superbly and although it sucks, I am immensely proud of the crew and all the crews on the waterfront.
Ironically, if that fire happened at sea, it wouldn’t have spread and been that bad. When ships are in-port for maintenance periods, all the hatches are opened with wires and tubing running throughout. So happy no one has been seriously injured or killed. Sucks that this will likely be hundreds of millions of dollars to repair her.
It's not easy to fight a shipboard fire, even when everyone is onboard! I was on the USS Ranger (CV-61) in 1983 and we had an Engine Room fire at sea, and it took us 12 Hours to put it out. We lost 6 Sailors in that fire. The smoke was so thick you couldn't see 2 inches from your face mask. Anyone remember the old OBA's?
I know the pain of wearing glasses and being in a mask that’s not connected to the tank. Condensation builds up, and on top of that, you don’t have your glasses. Oof
Why did the commanding officer of the ship not appear in the first two press conferences? It would seem that he would know more about the ship than the Admiral - especially since the CO was previously the XO of the ship.
I’m no expert, but from what I’ve heard it would actually be better off it happened at sea. Apparently the fire suppression system was turned off while at port, and the usual crew of thousands of trained fire fighters wasn’t aboard. It seems that if it were to happen at sea they would have been able to control the blaze much faster. Again I’m no expert, so take this with a grain of salt.
Michael D. They would deal with the fire and put it out. All sailors are trained in firefighting. That is part of the life of a sailor. I know, I was once a sailor on a burning aircraft carrier.
i saw a Large floating crane go past a few hours ago.. how about bringing in some Liquid C02 tankers and craning them on the bow... to flood the decks with C02.
Is there a way to build a ship that is less susceptible to this kind of fire? I understand the automatic fire extinguish equipment was disabled. Maybe it's just a cost thing where the automatic fire extinguisher works great and costs far less than building a ship of less flammable materials. I guess that once a fire gets incredibly hot that everything becomes fuel for the fire.
As I understand it, not really. Naval ships are already designed with a fair bit of fire protection in mind. Every. Single. Seaman. On board. Every. Single. One. Literally everybody. Literally everybody has to go through demanding damage control school, including firefighting. a large number also become trained as damage control/firefighting specialists. The sprinkler system is also automatic. There are a lot of layers designed to keep ships from burning. It's just they all failed. During yard work, the fire alarm and sprinklers are disabled to avoid them constantly being set off. Welding kicks up a lot of sparks. There were also few people aboard ship.
The fire suppression system was shutdown for maintenance and overhaul. The only thing rigged was portable fire fighting equipment, good ole H2O. They were attempting to get the Halon system back up when the explosion occurred & they had to evacuate the ship.
@@SpaceMermaid86 There is no Halon in the vehicle decks, only sprinklers. Halon is only in the main propulsion spaces, which have not been effected (below the burned area).
@@SpaceMermaid86 Yes, AFFF sprinks in all vehicle decks and hangar, but the story seems to be they were tagged out for maintenance. Also, bilge sprinks in all main spaces, AMR, jp5 and lcac pumprooms plus flight deck sprinks. There are 6 HICAP stations onboard serving a total of 12k gallons of concentrate on a segregated loop that can be opened up to allow any station to provide foam anywhere. I was commissioning DCA on 1 LHD and Chief Engineer on an LHA and an LHD. Good times. I miss it every day. It hurts to see what has happened here.
@@SpaceMermaid86 AFFF sprinks in upper v, lower V, well deck, hangar bay, and flight deck. I am assuming it was all still down and tagged out becuse of the availability period. Not even sure if they have firemain or contactor fire trees set up throughout?
How does an unstoppable fire spread so quickly from an aft storage compartment through to a forward compartment in a metal ship 800 plus feet in length? Could there have been fires ignited simultaneously throughout the ship using some kind of thermite accelerant?
Ruth - There were not simultaneous fires. There seems to one source. It probably spread through the wiring. Every wire is covered with plastic insulation.
Just asking, why does it seem like these naval hose teams have no idea what they are doing. When I was in we were a well oiled machine have you guys laxed on D.C. training? We we always trained if you didn't get the fire out you died. Not seeing alot of s.o.p. for mainspaces fires being followed. Seems like either that or there was some serious holes made in bulkheads and the fire spread quick. I know from d.c. class if a ship was fully sound. The bulkheads and digging of doors combined with aff sprinkling and we used to use Halon don't know if it's used anymore. Usually you can get a fire suffocated pretty rapidly. And the ventilation systems would suck out the heat. If the bulkheads were sound you rarely had to even make an interior attack on a mainspace. Does anybody know? Any D.C. out there who has been in recently? I mean I was in when h.t. and d.c. was separate. So I could be wrong and s.o.p. might have changed.
Does the fact that the fire suppression system was not operational/completely operational explain what you're wondering? Just a guess but I'm thinking that once the 55 gallon oil drum exploded the game changed exponentially. Thank goodness no lives have been lost.
Not at all. Forrestal has a huge loss of life. Frrrestal changed everything in how we fight fires and how sailors are trained. I would even argue that the lessons learned there directly impacted this fire and why no one was killed.
USS Forrestal was operating in active aircraft operations off the coast of Vietnam when an accidental firing of a rocket on the flight deck started it all. This ship was in a yard period where everyone who normally would be in place to handle such emergencies were not (as it would appear).
If they'd been underway, the fire suppression system wouldn't have been shutdown for maintenance & likely would've put it out before anything exploded that started the chain of events leading to this cluster.
That ship burnt because they spent too much time arguing over who was in charge of the fire. News flash... it's the C.O. which is ironic because the C.O. also is responsible for overseeing hazmat storage. Some people (authority) will do and say anything to protect themselves, including destroying a young sailors life/career.
I am a plank-owner of the USS Bonhomme Richard and I was part of the crew even before the Commissioning of the ship so I know the physical layout of the ship as I became an expert over several years, specifically the areas that are burning. I was in deck dept and I obtained a NAM for my damage control training efforts as I was apart of the ship's very first light of assessment. God bless the crew and those sailors who have been hurt however, there was a catastrophic failure to follow SOP. The ship has been rendered combat ineffective because the fire apparently started three decks below the hanger and then went up the side of the ship (inside) to reach the island to burn off pieces of superstructure/masts on top of the island. I watched the fire boats trying to cool the side of the ship by the island and forward) This damage should not have happened or at least the initial fire should have been contained within the lower decks. According to what I have seen via vids, there is massive, exceptional damage and this is very disturbing to watch, and the fire has been going for so long too.
We've had them for a while. Can't speak to other types, but as an investigator the small bottles were real nice for getting in and out of spaces and through scuttles.
Hard to imagine how a ship that size, with no ordinance on board, can be totally destroyed by such a relatively small event. One would think that a war ship would be equipped to deal with something like a small explosion.
An aside, the reason the U.S. won the Battle of Midway, the Japanese had poor fire containment on their four ( 4 ) aircraft carriers and thought their pilots were expendable. [ Every American sailor has been taught minimum on board fire fighting skills ]. TK
Lots of arm chair fools posting comments. Pathetic. There were less than 200 people on board, the yard is responsible for putting the fire out as this was caused by them welding.
Thankfully it was a Sunday. Ships force was living on the barge, but civilian shipyard employees were on shift. There has been no attribution as to the cause of the fire as yet.
The extent of the fire makes me wonder, what if it were hit in a war, would it be this susceptible to battle damage and fire!? What ever caused this, would be minor compared to a torpedo or bomb or missile!
No the ship would have all its damage control and fire suppression systems up and operational and have 1200 crew on board to fight the fight the fire. If you would like to see what it's really like I can get you in touch with a NAVY recruiter.
Now having served on The USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) as a DCC(SW/AW) for Fire Division, I’m puzzled as to why they couldn’t contain this fire with AFFF foam; and if it’s a Delta Fire no PKP or Halon systems🤔Or maybe this is an training opportunity. Wow 😳
Chief, Halon system was tagged out for maintenance & overhaul. Based on what I've read, they were attempting to expedite bringing it up when an explosion happened & they had to evacuate the ship. Helos & tugs had to cool the exterior to make it possible for teams to get onboard & use the rigged fireman from the pier. V/R ET2
If they can repair a aircraft carrier in a few weeks in ww2 after being hit with all types of ammunition and being on fire out at sea I'm pretty sure they will be able to repair this
That thing's been on fire for for 3 or 4 days now now what would happen if that thing was out at sea they got to be a better faster way to put that thing out they're on the bright side at least everybody get some rare lab training in in what works and what don't work now the big and dollar question is how do you do it better and faster and I just hope everybody safe and that that would be a nightmare situation in the middle of a war zone God bless you all and thank you for what you do praying for you all get back home to your families safely thank you all each and every one
We are sorry for the material loss, but thank God we didn’t have any loss of life
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Thank G-D this wouldn't be used to kill more people in the regime change wars of America.
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@@ethan_zhou Hogwash. A ship is nothing without a good crew. Without a crew, a ship is a hulk. Crews complete and make a ship what it is.
@@ph11p3540 the crew can change,the ship cannot
All navy men are trained to fight ship fires, and ships are designed around fire safety. ( A little off subject, but this is why the US won the Battle of Midway. The Japanese couldn’t stop the onboard fires on the four ( 4 ) aircraft carriers )
TK
Yes, to a degree. All are taught basic fire fighting and damage control. This however is dockside while yard work was ongoing.
The fire started in the area they were working/modifying the ship and apparently the fire system was secured.
My second submarine sank without permission in 69 commissioned in 72 I was onboard 77-79 she sank on a regular basis by order of course
Our damage control teams were top notch during WW2
@@roguekoala71 They were well motivated and eager, but really did not receive integrated training until after the Vietnam war.
Yes except the ship is a fire hazard when the contractors start storing massive quantities of flammable items and disable the fire suppression system. Automatic fire suppression systems are everything to a ship like automatic sprinkler systems are to a high rise building.
Hats off to all FIRST RESPONDERS AND NAVEL PERSONAL fighting a nasty fire. GOD BLESS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
Gundecked maintence, failure to understand the material readiness of the ship, damage control section not trained up to standard, breakdown of the chain of command, and more that culimated in losing a ship at berth that we just spent over $200 million on a modernization upgrade for? This incident was a real clusterfuck that's frankly embarrassing for the Navy. I'm glad no lives were lost and respect the efforts of the crew and SD fire department, but there are some serious lessons to be learned here. Respect to the commands doing a great job with all their shit together in this regard but this cannot happen again.
San Diego Fire ended up pulling out while also leaving a ton of gear behind. Federal and Navy Firefighters had to finish the job.
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A raging >1,000-degree flame for >48 hours means the superstructure is likely damaged beyond repair.
BOGOWA22 It’s a warship it’s structure is tougher and firefighters cooled down potential spots..
@@masdargames7133 no mate it's fucked
Superstructure failed. Fire lasted from sunday to wednesday, firefighters were walking bulkhead to bulkhead on pallets because water was boiling. Fire started below vehicle stowage where flammable material for vehicle outfitting were stored. At least that's what I heard from a family friend that helped during this time.
I helped construct this ship in 1996. Hopefully it will be sent back to Pascagoula for repairs.
Unfortunately, in all likelihood it's destined for decommissioning.
A ship you worked on is like bringing up a daughter before you hand her off for marriage. The feelings you must have felt, must have been just as bad as knowing your daughter suffered some major trauma. My sympathies :(
Whats that noise ?
It sounds like a toilet flushing
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@Timothy Mccarthy It's shockingly 'easy' to get onboard one of these vessels, docked in harbors.
I imagine for a saboteur while everyone was on yard work, and with the epidimemic no one would suspect, easily to attack.
@@tauceti8341 Says you...
The folks who say this is sabotage are grossly uninformed AND have Never been on a MAN of War afflicted with yard birds. Yard birds have 20 % scumbags. They shit in our gutted birthing compartments and know little IF anything About D.C.
The halon System was tagged out.
Cables , High pressure Air runs hither and yon. There is Zero water tight integrity.
Out of 1000 they had but 100 Sailors. During Maintenance many Sailors of all rates Go to a few , challenging and realistic Ship Board FIRE and flooding D.C School. By the Time I finished my three years in CG 17 I had attended three awesome schools in Norfolk.
The only Silver lining Will be the painful lessons learned promulgated to the deck plates. Out of a 100 probably 20-30 were experienced Advanced Damage Controlman.
Mike Former HM2 ( SW ) ( FMF )
Can anyone else almost taste the metal burning and smell that smoke? Prayers for all that the fire is extinguished today! Safety first, sailors!
It's going to take several more days to put it out. I guess Mr Deity wants it to burn some more.
WootTootZoot there's always a naysayer
Poor people who live around thisbmiss
I'm working in a machine shop building the new Ford class, so yes I can smell it. Lol
Well it was more than likely started by civilian shipyard workers....this will be one heck of an insurance claim.
Nailed it!
Direct energy weapons from foreign soil
It's not easy to fight a shipboard fire, even when everyone is onboard!
I was on the USS Ranger (CV-61) in 1983 and we had an Engine Room fire at sea, and it took us 12 Hours to put it out.
We lost 6 Sailors in that fire. The smoke was so thick you couldn't see 2 inches from your face mask.
Anyone remember the old OBA's?
Yeah. Those things suck to put out, I’m only a fire explorer, but something tells me that a fire invaded inside a giant metal ship full of tunnels is not gonna be an easy fight!
yes only thing we had back when I was in Navy was OBA's. This duty section should never have left the ship. All hands bear a hand rigging hoses from where ever they worked. Too much of the fire fighting systems were out of service. The ships across the pier could have supplied water no problem. So many things wrong in the Navy training for Damage Control now.
That ship is a total loss it’s been burning for days
No hope that ship is FUBAR use it as target practice!! Sink it and let the scuba divers play in it!!! I said it on Sunday sink it last time a ship burned in our harbor it took a week to stop it same applies with this giant and it's doing irreparable damage to our lungs!!!
@@jt8713 "irreparable damage to our lungs" well whether they sink it or not, it's gonna have to keep burning.
@@jt8713 Most of our Navy ships have millions of dollars worth of sensitive equipment among other material. While I have no idea if they will scrap/scuttle LHD-6 or not, they need to put the fires out so they can remove and either recover or fully destroy said material.
@@lordec911 Yes she has to be declassified before anything else happens.
Like the Ronald Reagan or Radioactive Ronnie
Hope you save the USS Bonhomme Richard and look after her crew, best regards to all those fighting to save her, stay safe & good luck, best regards from the UK
In about two years, you'll be able to get a commemorative set of pots and pans made of the metal from this ship from the Franklin Mint. Watch for an ad on Facebook.
And they will have a little model of the ship that you can watch sink - over and over again! Fun for the whole family!
I'm dying 🤣🤣🤣
Nice. Honestly more like razor blades.
Doesn’t the Navy, or the dockyard, have modern fire boats? I come from Hong Kong, where massive container ships come into our port; the HK Government has a fleet of fire boats that can pump millions of gallons
Harold Insley pumping millions of gallons tends to capsize them! Leave it too those who know this kinda work! USS Normandy! Remember!
@@marksolarz3756 Amen to that....
CS2 onboard '01 - '05. Man, Im sad watching this.
Why did the admiral say initiallly that clothes and books were mainly burning but that the fire would last several days? He also said there was no toxic hazard from the smoke and all was fine with the EPA.
He is half right. All the living spaces are burning. So, being, gear, furniture, etc. As for HAzmat? There is some. Not as much if full of planes vehicles and ammo.
Think of all the systems that would have to be replaced...its possible, but might not be worth the cost to bring her back.
If repair estimates exceed 1/2 of the cost of buying new, it's better to replace and move on. Because estimates are always lowballed, they should really strike her if the estimate is even 1/3 that of a new ship. Which I can tell you right now it is. She has sailed her last voyage.
Scott air Paks, not like old OBA's Air paks only have 30 minutes, thats if you breath shallow, 15 to be safe on timer, OBA's had 1-hour.
@Robert Zuccaro Yes, my last ship CV-67 before, decommissioning, 2005, they had a fire /explosion, hanger bay DC, placed training canisters, into a used OIL Drum, not cleaned, oil left over started , canisters too burn.
Scott actually offers cylinders in 30 min, 45 min, 60 min and 70 min duration. The FD I used to work for had 30 min and 60 min.
OBAs you sound like an old timer. We used Scotts our fire dept. but not shipboard. EN 3. 68-72 LPH 5 and LPD-8 🇺🇸
@@charletonzimmerman4205 Ox and oil not good mixed. Boom
@@timholmes4331 Anyone who remembers the OBA is an old timer. lol. You are truly an old timer if you can even slightly recall how to expel the used canister. Something about having it hang over a bucket of water? It's been a long time.
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It's times like this I hate being Retired. If I could I would be down there volunteering to go in and help.
I absolutely understand and agree. It has been 31 years since I retired, but I see our younger shipmates suiting up to fight this conflagration, it makes me incredibly proud of them, and it makes me KNOW that the very important things transcend generations.
Retired MMCM here, I agree with all of these comments. Fortunately no one was hurt. Unfortunately we are also gaining a butt ton of shipboard fire fighting experience. If any good at all comes from this, hopefully they’ll incorporate the lessons learned into every damn bit of DC training we do.
@@frankmcgee3213 I know they said that the halon was tagged out for maintains but if it was in the lower V then they should have had sprinklers. If they tagged out all the sprinkler system I guarantee they'll never do that again on any ship. I also agree that it's nice for once the lessons isn't going to be "written in blood". That alright if thing calm down and people can travel I'll fly back to the States and pick up a brush for free. That one thing we'll always take from the navy is how to paint.
Chris Hogancamp it was probably just shore FF and temporary hoses. Honestly when I saw the first pictures all I could think of was the carriers in WWII burning after kamikazes. Forrestal, Enterprise and Oriskany were concentrated aft but this was the entire length of the ship. The Navy would be foolish not to use this as a training scenario. I’d expect some changes to shipyard availability FF procedures and training. But from what I have seen, our men and women have performed superbly and although it sucks, I am immensely proud of the crew and all the crews on the waterfront.
Don't worry. When the shit hits the fan, they'll call all old guys back out to man the shot cannons, diesel subs, and dreadnoughts.
Shipboard Firefighting very challenging, NAS PENSACOLA FIRE 1978-2005 .
Ironically, if that fire happened at sea, it wouldn’t have spread and been that bad. When ships are in-port for maintenance periods, all the hatches are opened with wires and tubing running throughout. So happy no one has been seriously injured or killed. Sucks that this will likely be hundreds of millions of dollars to repair her.
Forget repair.
Heard early on that things like scaffolding fell on/near firefighters. So thankful no one has been seriously hurt.
BZ to the damage control team saving a home away from home. This happened to me when I was on the Kittyhawk. The skipper called away GQ in-port.
@BC Bob We actually had a real fire on board and had to call GQ in-port
It's not easy to fight a shipboard fire, even when everyone is onboard!
I was on the USS Ranger (CV-61) in 1983 and we had an Engine Room fire at sea, and it took us 12 Hours to put it out.
We lost 6 Sailors in that fire. The smoke was so thick you couldn't see 2 inches from your face mask.
Anyone remember the old OBA's?
1:54 "I can't see anything" lol I know that pain of wearing glasses.
I know the pain of wearing glasses and being in a mask that’s not connected to the tank. Condensation builds up, and on top of that, you don’t have your glasses. Oof
Awesome courage and teamwork; par for the course naturally. Salute the Navy and the firefighters!
Apparently this training wasn’t enough
The helmet lights at 2:05 are really cool. Anyone know what they are? I kinda want one!
Why did the commanding officer of the ship not appear in the first two press conferences? It would seem that he would know more about the ship than the Admiral - especially since the CO was previously the XO of the ship.
The PR is better left to the Staff folks.
CO is needed at ground zero. He'll probably be there once the fire is confirmed out & no hot spots found.
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Seeing a Navy ship burn reminds me of the Kittyhawk on fire when she was undergoing maintenance during my first term.
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air horns sound at 45 seconds for an emergency evacuation.
That is some pretty new gear. Never seen fire obviously.
What if this fire had started at sea? Or even worse while combat operations were underway ?
I’m no expert, but from what I’ve heard it would actually be better off it happened at sea. Apparently the fire suppression system was turned off while at port, and the usual crew of thousands of trained fire fighters wasn’t aboard. It seems that if it were to happen at sea they would have been able to control the blaze much faster. Again I’m no expert, so take this with a grain of salt.
Michael D. They would deal with the fire and put it out. All sailors are trained in firefighting. That is part of the life of a sailor. I know, I was once a sailor on a burning aircraft carrier.
My old school boss used to send us out on jobs with a simple admonition: "Don't fuck up!"
How did it start please ? from Australia
i saw a Large floating crane go past a few hours ago.. how about bringing in some Liquid C02 tankers and craning them on the bow... to flood the decks with C02.
@ian cotcher they still use halon
during drydock, it's basically a skeleton crew (very few sailors), so there were no personnel to immediately respond to the fires.
God I wish I could get aboard and help fight that fire
I live about 12 miles from the ship. It smelled like A-Line in basic. What exploded?
I saw this ship twentyish years ago in Kailua Kona Hawaii! What happens?
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Do u guys having barbecue in there...??
Well done to all, from an ex Royal Navy, now UK Fire-Fighter, with you in my thoughts.
Is there a way to build a ship that is less susceptible to this kind of fire? I understand the automatic fire extinguish equipment was disabled. Maybe it's just a cost thing where the automatic fire extinguisher works great and costs far less than building a ship of less flammable materials. I guess that once a fire gets incredibly hot that everything becomes fuel for the fire.
As I understand it, not really. Naval ships are already designed with a fair bit of fire protection in mind. Every. Single. Seaman. On board. Every. Single. One. Literally everybody. Literally everybody has to go through demanding damage control school, including firefighting. a large number also become trained as damage control/firefighting specialists. The sprinkler system is also automatic.
There are a lot of layers designed to keep ships from burning. It's just they all failed. During yard work, the fire alarm and sprinklers are disabled to avoid them constantly being set off. Welding kicks up a lot of sparks. There were also few people aboard ship.
DID THE FOAM SUPRESSENT USED AND IF SO DID IT WORK
The fire suppression system was shutdown for maintenance and overhaul. The only thing rigged was portable fire fighting equipment, good ole H2O. They were attempting to get the Halon system back up when the explosion occurred & they had to evacuate the ship.
@@SpaceMermaid86 There is no Halon in the vehicle decks, only sprinklers. Halon is only in the main propulsion spaces, which have not been effected (below the burned area).
@@steamcheng, haven't been on a ship w/Halon in 8yrs. Thanks for the correction. Never been on an LHD, do they have AFFF in the V's?
@@SpaceMermaid86 Yes, AFFF sprinks in all vehicle decks and hangar, but the story seems to be they were tagged out for maintenance. Also, bilge sprinks in all main spaces, AMR, jp5 and lcac pumprooms plus flight deck sprinks. There are 6 HICAP stations onboard serving a total of 12k gallons of concentrate on a segregated loop that can be opened up to allow any station to provide foam anywhere. I was commissioning DCA on 1 LHD and Chief Engineer on an LHA and an LHD. Good times. I miss it every day. It hurts to see what has happened here.
@@SpaceMermaid86 AFFF sprinks in upper v, lower V, well deck, hangar bay, and flight deck. I am assuming it was all still down and tagged out becuse of the availability period. Not even sure if they have firemain or contactor fire trees set up throughout?
Is the fire out now
How does an unstoppable fire spread so quickly from an aft storage compartment through to a forward compartment in a metal ship 800 plus feet in length? Could there have been fires ignited simultaneously throughout the ship using some kind of thermite accelerant?
no thermite.
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Ruth - There were not simultaneous fires. There seems to one source. It probably spread through the wiring. Every wire is covered with plastic insulation.
Just asking, why does it seem like these naval hose teams have no idea what they are doing. When I was in we were a well oiled machine have you guys laxed on D.C. training? We we always trained if you didn't get the fire out you died. Not seeing alot of s.o.p. for mainspaces fires being followed. Seems like either that or there was some serious holes made in bulkheads and the fire spread quick. I know from d.c. class if a ship was fully sound. The bulkheads and digging of doors combined with aff sprinkling and we used to use Halon don't know if it's used anymore. Usually you can get a fire suffocated pretty rapidly. And the ventilation systems would suck out the heat. If the bulkheads were sound you rarely had to even make an interior attack on a mainspace. Does anybody know? Any D.C. out there who has been in recently? I mean I was in when h.t. and d.c. was separate. So I could be wrong and s.o.p. might have changed.
Does the fact that the fire suppression system was not operational/completely operational explain what you're wondering? Just a guess but I'm thinking that once the 55 gallon oil drum exploded the game changed exponentially. Thank goodness no lives have been lost.
Kinda funny we were just moving back on the ship too
Brave sailors. Hope you save your ship.
Never happened. They did what they could, but it had to be scrapped. Which sucks. Because it’s a multi billion dollar ship. ☹️
Stay Safe...prayers for you all
I bet this ship is gonna get scraped if its too damaged
God bless those fire fighter,s! Most people run from a fire, they,re running to it!
Another similar incident like the USS Forrestal?
Not at all. Forrestal has a huge loss of life. Frrrestal changed everything in how we fight fires and how sailors are trained. I would even argue that the lessons learned there directly impacted this fire and why no one was killed.
USS Forrestal was operating in active aircraft operations off the coast of Vietnam when an accidental firing of a rocket on the flight deck started it all. This ship was in a yard period where everyone who normally would be in place to handle such emergencies were not (as it would appear).
Wow what a reach. The only thing "similar" is the fact that a ship is burning.
Where is John McCain?
richardscathouse the USS John McCain is stationed in Japan. I served on her from 06-09.
can safe the LHD 6 to reactivation river fore river shipyard or alameda for repair this ship for no stopped the lines the produccion in misisipi
When and why did the aft CIWS get moved from the port side to the starboard side?
Obstacle for air ops. Jets have to land from the port side.
Someone asked me how does a metal ship burn. I had no idea what to say to them...
Was this sabotage?
ProbabIy, but no one wiII ever admit it.
Not likely.
@ian cotcher dude is was a QUESTION..
Firefighters the real hero of any nation.
Idk the details but can you imagine if they were underway. My lord.
If they'd been underway, the fire suppression system wouldn't have been shutdown for maintenance & likely would've put it out before anything exploded that started the chain of events leading to this cluster.
This would have never happened underway. And if there was a fire it would have been dealt with in a couple of hours.
As a firefighter I cant ever say that I had anyone ever dress me for a fire. I e been on the job 27 years
@OUR Republic- Never Give In They shouldn't be promoting all these white men. Agreed.
You never know when that good ol, damage control training will save lives. Great job shipmates.
That ship burnt because they spent too much time arguing over who was in charge of the fire. News flash... it's the C.O. which is ironic because the C.O. also is responsible for overseeing hazmat storage.
Some people (authority) will do and say anything to protect themselves, including destroying a young sailors life/career.
get well SOON Richard, come back indo Pacific
I am a plank-owner of the USS Bonhomme Richard and I was part of the crew even before the Commissioning of the ship so I know the physical layout of the ship as I became an expert over several years, specifically the areas that are burning. I was in deck dept and I obtained a NAM for my damage control training efforts as I was apart of the ship's very first light of assessment. God bless the crew and those sailors who have been hurt however, there was a catastrophic failure to follow SOP. The ship has been rendered combat ineffective because the fire apparently started three decks below the hanger and then went up the side of the ship (inside) to reach the island to burn off pieces of superstructure/masts on top of the island. I watched the fire boats trying to cool the side of the ship by the island and forward) This damage should not have happened or at least the initial fire should have been contained within the lower decks. According to what I have seen via vids, there is massive, exceptional damage and this is very disturbing to watch, and the fire has been going for so long too.
I can see the Navy standardized with the Scott 4.5 airpack. About as lightweight as you can go.
We've had them for a while. Can't speak to other types, but as an investigator the small bottles were real nice for getting in and out of spaces and through scuttles.
Amazing
When we had OBA's, dungarees and no snowflakes, the incentive to put out fires was much greater ...
True. Old HT here.
Brave men and women going into that ship to save it
Hard to imagine how a ship that size, with no ordinance on board, can be totally destroyed by such a relatively small event. One would think that a war ship would be equipped to deal with something like a small explosion.
Normally they are, but in this maintenance situation the normal fire suppression systems were disabled.
An aside, the reason the U.S. won the Battle of Midway, the Japanese had poor fire containment on their four ( 4 ) aircraft carriers and thought their pilots were expendable. [ Every American sailor has been taught minimum on board fire fighting skills ]. TK
Where was the water planes couldn’t they have done anything?
Most of the fire was inside, so no.
And this is why the navy trains it’s sailors to combat ship fires. Hopefully no one was hurt by the fire.
А нет ли там утечки радиации?
Lots of arm chair fools posting comments. Pathetic. There were less than 200 people on board, the yard is responsible for putting the fire out as this was caused by them welding.
Thankfully it was a Sunday. Ships force was living on the barge, but civilian shipyard employees were on shift. There has been no attribution as to the cause of the fire as yet.
The extent of the fire makes me wonder, what if it were hit in a war, would it be this susceptible to battle damage and fire!? What ever caused this, would be minor compared to a torpedo or bomb or missile!
No the ship would have all its damage control and fire suppression systems up and operational and have 1200 crew on board to fight the fight the fire. If you would like to see what it's really like I can get you in touch with a NAVY recruiter.
@@ak49sailor - No thanks, I have already served my time!
What causes the fire?
Erlie Cunanan - It will be awhile before they know that.
“lnside job” most IikeIy. US poIicy is so dumb we just Iet any and every enemy into our institutions.
They have not yet begun to firefight!
I would help put the fire out if I can pass my asvab
Shipmates working together to protect the ship!!!!
With all that water being pumped in, how does it not sink? If water is being discharged, where is that pollution going?
Pumps will dewater the ship. Coast Guard has oil booms to contain the run off.
It’s listing.
Whose career is over for this one?
Sad day, stay safe Sailors:(
Thank God she wasn't underway.
If one gets on google earth you can see bonhomme richard in port at Okinawa
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Now having served on The USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) as a DCC(SW/AW) for Fire Division, I’m puzzled as to why they couldn’t contain this fire with AFFF foam; and if it’s a Delta Fire no PKP or Halon systems🤔Or maybe this is an training opportunity. Wow 😳
Chief, Halon system was tagged out for maintenance & overhaul. Based on what I've read, they were attempting to expedite bringing it up when an explosion happened & they had to evacuate the ship. Helos & tugs had to cool the exterior to make it possible for teams to get onboard & use the rigged fireman from the pier. V/R ET2
Ambrose Chiel - I’ll wait for the official report.
Respect Great Job 💯
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Please be safe fighting this fire to all of the service people who are trying to put this stubborn fire out...
Why in the Hell are they wasting time fighting this fecking fire? Scuttle her and the fire will go out. Then raise her .
I had thought this was a training excerise. But I remembered we train in simulations not real hazards.
If they can repair a aircraft carrier in a few weeks in ww2 after being hit with all types of ammunition and being on fire out at sea I'm pretty sure they will be able to repair this
Complexity differs vastly
And cost differ even more now.
Prayers for fire fighters
Glad nobody got really injured, but what a clusterfuck I'm sure that was.
---former DC2 turned civilian FF
Tugs like: 1 hot spot found, 1 hot spot cooled
Really enjoy watching
Liza cc why did u fuck up the ship
Wow that’s some fire
That thing's been on fire for for 3 or 4 days now now what would happen if that thing was out at sea they got to be a better faster way to put that thing out they're on the bright side at least everybody get some rare lab training in in what works and what don't work now the big and dollar question is how do you do it better and faster and I just hope everybody safe and that that would be a nightmare situation in the middle of a war zone God bless you all and thank you for what you do praying for you all get back home to your families safely thank you all each and every one
Ship fires are tricky beasts.
What's that smoke bro is she burning