I removed the front and rear sway-bar's on my 80 series as they give me a huge amount of more flex off road. I do have Superior Engineering remote shocks and if they set on hard it drives just like having the sway bars on.. great stuff!
Gday guys, Graham I think you’ve nailed it with this little vid and potentially others like it. Having separate vids to show different products or brands is helpful, but hopefully it might free up the main vids you guys do. I really like what you put up for everyone, but sometimes lately I’m thinking mm, hope this doesn’t turn into a big sales pitch. I quite enjoy fishing shows too and the best ones are without all that crap. Anyway, keep it up, thanks for the action. 👍🏽
I was the person who said what got u into off roading on the side at the 4x4 show at Brisbane keep up the great effort on 4wd driving keep uploading great content and be a bloody legend @Shauno and @Graham
Excellent information, the bit about the leaf springs was very informative. I really enjoy the videos and look forward to one day making it "down under"! Keep up the good work. BTW, our tour guide in Costa Rica drove a DMax.
One point you missed when lifting your IFS 4WD you need keep in mind of the CV angles you want them as straight as possible because it will lower the chance of a break and the boots from breaking.
One thing I have learned with lifts is how it affects geometry. The tie rod ends go from flat when loaded to angled down. Wish there was some sort of tie rod end spacer to straighten this out. same is true for how the cv axles sit. At least this seems a lot easier to fix.
Hey guys, best 4x channel on YT by a large margin! My question is about my 2016 series 200 Land Cruiser. I'd like to get about a 2" lift but I'm worried about adversely affecting the KDSS system, which really works perfectly on the road. Do you have any specific recommendations for this truck? Thanks!
I order from this fellas full kit,,, 400kg constant leaf springs for my Navara they send me up to 300kg. Too expensive to return from WA so I have to bay airbags as additional suspension.
That is one thing some people do not take into consideration and can be complacent about when lifting/raising their vehicle is bump steer. This affects your alignment, ride, shock dampening, camber, castor and steering. Has anyone ever seen 4x4's, or any other vehicle for that matter, have their front wheels wobble at speed? If so, that means the bump steer is very bad and it is extremely critical that this eliminated. If it isn't addressed it could lead to a fatal accident &/or serious injury. Cheers for the video :-)
that's what a steering stabilizer is for. They cost about $200US including shocks round here. You go over a 4 inch lift you throw a stabilizer on her for GP to deal with bump steer.
Always good stuff! Don't forget the brake lines or tie rods! The rear brake lines look a bit short for hitting the tracks. Also, those factory tie rods are a bit thin when running the lift and bigger tyres. Look into some tie rod sleeves.
I'm looking to upgrade mine for the first time - most quotes I'm getting from Fox, Emu, Dobinsons, Oztec all seem to be around the 2000 to 3000 range. Raw 4x4 was quoted at 1400. This is for everything, absolutely everything excluding installation. Oztec has lifetime warrenty, but emu and dobinson have reviews behind em. Im not sure who I'm going with for my 2inch lift, but I do know that its worth the money to get better than the shitty ebay kits.
novakid hydra what are you driving? I went with calmini or independent 4x4 for Isuzu, Land Rover I use terrafirma, and for domestic Us I go Fox or FOA. My Disco2 cost about $2k to lift 3". My 90 Isuzu trooper2 has 3.5" independent 4x4 lift kit for about 1500$. Some kits come with extended brake lines, mounts and things that'll drop the overall price. Some kits are half designed and you end up replacing everything.
I have an Emu 3.5" lift in my CJ7 and it works great. I choose to use 5125 series Bilstein mono-tube dampers as they run cooler in my experience. If you can do your own installation, spending more on quality and reputable parts becomes less of an issue IMHO. Another important thing to consider is if you plan on trading your vehicle in later- lifts and non OE parts will decrease the take in value so shelve the parts so you can swap them back in. If you don't plan on trading it in at a dealer, sell your OE parts to help offset the cost of the lift you want, further extending the reach of your budget.
It all depends on what you are using your 4WD for, we have a range of suspension solutions to fit a range of budgets. It really depends on the application of your vehicle. Whether you are touring, doing extreme off road traveling or just own a weekender. I would say too little is something where you can tell its dirt cheap and wont serve the vehicles purpose. In most cases a cheaper product wont be quality tested properly and in most cases is a rip off product. To expensive would be when you purchase something that is not meant for your vehicles application, like say you get an overkill off road racing shock absorber which everyone says is amazing but you only install it on your weekender. Again it all comes down to vehicle application and what it actually needs. If you want to go overkill by all means, but does your 4WD really need it? Feel free to call us on 1800 385 278 or send us a message through our website and we can sort out the best priced solution for you.
spend all u can on tested lift componants dont cheap out you will regret it ya a cheap kit will get you lifted and rolling but in the long run when u ned to last an hold up it will let you down or atleast give u a ride that is not good ive had a few thay did the trick but after geting a more quality systme the difference is night n day just by leaveing the driveway i can feel the quality difference its true .
Interesting video, I like these bit more in depth ones on topics like this. And thanks for the reminder; I need to give a little bit of TLC to my leaf springs becuae they're squeaky AF after a couple of weekends away 😕
Do fulcrum suspension do swaybar disconnects, so that when you stop to reduce the air pressure in your tyres you can disconect the swaybar at the same time to allow for more articulation on the rough stuff?
Fulcrum Suspensions I have a 2008 pj ranger and I was wondering what constant kg leaf spring you would recommend for me I’m a tradie have a drawer system in the back with tools in it So probably 200+kg Cheers
what is the best way to check caster on a solid axle? What are the angles generally accepted as being good? Not just for caster but caster, camber, and toe.
With a spec check wheel alignment. Positive caster is good and zero to negative camber is good (some negative camber). Feel free to call us on 1800 385 278 or send us a message through our website.
A sway bar will limit flex off-road. By disconnecting the sway bar, you are letting the suspension articulate more. On the road, the sway bar helps to reduce body roll.
for offroad flexing/crawling/whatever-you-wanna-call-it you want the suspension to work as independently as possible i.e. no swaybars. Adding sway bars is like having stiffer springs but only in the side-to-side direction - they reduces body roll during cornering but do nothing to affect your ride height versus load weight nor do they affect how much the car squats and dives under acceleration and braking. Contrary to popular belief, you get more cornering grip without one on-road as well because less body roll does not necessarily mean less weight shift. Installing stiff sway bars actually increases weight shift to the outside wheels so they will become overloaded and skid at a lower cornering speed. Having more grip around a corner is however a moot point if your car flips over mid corner haha. Having stiffer springs and/or swaybars also improves the cars dynamics, so while it may have less ultimate grip it is less likely to get into an uncontrollable fishtail if you suddenly swerve.
I run without front or rear sway bars on my CJ7, but if you plan on lost of road miles, consider one with removable links. Check out the JKS J-Kontrol kit, they use sprung detent ball locked pins for their quick disconnects, they take seconds to remove when hitting the trail.
I have LC100 got icon stage3 with reservoir dobinson 3" and dobinson upper and lower arm i got delta drop down panhard with toughdog panhard bar and im getting rear body roll with stock swaybar
Hi guys, please can we get a video on the maintenance done and frequency after these trips, Shaun mentioned he does bearings every 5k on sooty. Love the channel.
Good video! I learned a lot. I just purchased a 2020 Toyota 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium with a 3 inch lift and 32 inch Nitto Ridge Runners. Do I need to be concerned about the suspension????
How much does all this cost? And if you just do light to moderate off roading do you really need all of this done or will you survive with stock? Worried I might not make it out my driveway without the full suite of Fulcrum upgrades...
A 2" lift is a pretty smart first step if you can't go larger with tires first. I recommend people consider this order for any upgrade project - tires , lift, camber correction, mono-tube dampers, then sway bar disconnects. If you want to have a bit of fun with a mostly stock rig, go up in tire size and go play - if you need more, come back for more!
I did all of this on my 4runner here in America minus the leaf springs of course and did a 3in lift rims tires 285\70s for around 5k. Could have been cheaper but did icon , total chaos uca and also icon adjustable torsion bar. Plus transfer case spacers as well as stabilize bar drop. However worth it alignment came out perfect . Rides better when loaded and very little roll. A little stiff unloaded if you cant be bothered to adjust it.
Depends on the vehicle you have. You can also go all out and get the most expensive gear or you can go with an affordable setup which is still extremely reliable. It all depends on the application of your vehicle. Feel free to call us on 1800 385 278 or send us a message through our website.
Great Video. I'm new to the channel and have subscribed. I've just purchased a 2nd hand 80 series Landcruiser diesel wagon that has a 2 or 3" lift kit with coil springs(I'm unsure as to which height it actually is). I would love to see a video on coil springs instead of leaf springs and the impact this has on my vehicle. I'm new to lifts and don't know anything about them, and am learning fast, I have had to replace a lot of the bushes and things underneath mine for the RWC. My old vehicle as a Toyota FJ40 back in the day.
i was told my numerous suspension shops to not go with adjustable control arms, and im really confused as to why they would say that in a lifted truck that i brought in for allignment issues..........
My rear swaybar D bush came off in the high country causing a horrible knocking in the rear everytime i hit a bump. Trackside fix i removed the swaybar and ziptied it to the roof rack, still there a year or more later....
not fully, spring make it carry load better, but a sway bar will stop the 4wd leaning over without compromising on the ride quality. That said a sway bar "Will" reduce flex offroad... but it will also make it harder to roll over when offroad..
They are plugging the shop's inventory - adding a rear sway bar for offroading capability is not advised. For multi-use vehicles, it is great - but get a unit with quick disconnect links or you will lose traction and flex (unless you want to lift tires all day)
@@ewingfox6459 that's what I am thinking. Anything off-camber would lift your axle up. If you aren't locked, you lose traction....I even took my front bar off, to let my ifs flex more......unless you are using the vehicle for towing or something that requires more stability.
@@ocj921 on the road, it IS a good idea to have at least a front sway bar.. swerve to miss a roo (or a moose/bear/deer where we live) and you could easily end up on your lid :). Quick disconnects would be a good idea for you!)
Adding stiffer springs will work but it will give you a much harsher ride. We like to save our customers from back pain ;) Fitting larger sway bars, particularly in the rear, has two main effects, vehicle balance in terms of under steer or over steer and increased roll resistance. Both of these effects can provide increased overall handling and safety benefits in a 4WD vehicle. If you are looking for increased stability on the road or when towing, sway bars are a great upgrade option. As most factory vehicles are partial towards under steer, fitting of a larger rear sway bar, or the addition of a sway bar, helps in providing a more neutral characteristic in the handling. This is due to the increase in roll stiffness at the rear, which changes the loading of the rear wheels under conditions of increased cornering load. SuperPro offers a great range of aftermarket sway bars engineered for many off-road applications, also offering many adjustable kits to best suit your 4WD build. At the same time, as the rear end is resisting more of the roll, the front end resists less in proportion, leaving the front wheels more evenly loaded, producing more available front end grip. In the end an increase in overall stability can be achieved by balancing the vehicle. Another effect of introducing larger rear sway bars is a reduction in chassis roll. This reduces the effects of “roll camber”. Roll camber is the variation in the wheel and tyre camber setting due to chassis roll. During cornering the presence of chassis roll usually results in the outside wheels gaining positive camber. By increasing the roll stiffness and reducing roll camber effect, the wheel and tyre combination stays closer to its optimal setting. As an alternative, this could be remedied by starting out with large amounts of static camber to counteract the positive camber gain. The trade-off however is the resulting increased tyre wear, and reduction in straight-line handling. Now that the basics are covered, imagine a Nissan Patrol, Toyota Land Cruiser or Toyota Hilux that has been lifted 50mm with a bull bar and winch package. It has been fitted out with a draw system, roof rack and tows a twenty foot caravan! This may be the extreme, but somewhere between this and a standard, off the showroom floor vehicle, is where most of these vehicles operate. The factory sway bars were never designed to control anything other than the standard vehicle at standard ride height and with something less than being loaded to their GVM (Gross Vehicle Mass) limit. The modern 4WD Dual cab utility, almost the family sedan of this century. Is normally coil sprung with a strut front end and leaf sprung rear with no rear sway bar support. Because of this dual cabs typically suffer from under steer and can be very unstable during high speed directional changes. When you load the vehicle with accessories, people, change its height or tow the problem only gets worse. The biggest resistance to the fitment of bigger sway bars to 4WD vehicles is the flawed concept of the loss of articulation in the suspension. If the replacement sway bars are designed correctly and the sway bar links are lengthened, replacement sway bars can be fitted with minimal or no loss of articulation. However, the improvements to stability, safety and drive ability will far outweigh any loss of articulation. So without reducing comfort or articulation, a sway bar will make the suspension system and tyres perform better, making the vehicle more responsive while neutralising under steer. Fitting a sway bar offers all round improvements in handling, tyre wear, comfort, safety and load carrying. It is one of the best handling improvements you can make. Feel free to call us on 1800 385 278 or send us a message through our website.
I'm trying to build an 88 toyota pickup on a budget. As I break things I plan on upgrading as time and money allow. I have a sagged out 88 pickup that I have stock 31's on but they rub. Rear is welded. Want lifted and to run 35's
Hi. I am going to install IMS suspension with 2" lift and 30mm spacers. My tire size is 265/65/R17 I hope this is sufficient to prevent any rollovers...
I have a 2002 Ford f150 4x4 and I only want a couple inches of extra clearance for bigger tires and such so I can take the family on camping trips this summer but all I can find are torsion key leveling kits. Are torsion key leveling kits safe to use and are they any good off road? And are they going to wear out lots of other bushings and ball joints and stuff like that much faster? I don't want to ruin my truck I just want some more family time
You were explaining underload and overload. What if 50% of driving was all loaded for a tradie but the other 50% would be road or off road. Would you add airbags?
Cool video. So I have got a couple quick questions for y'all 1) this might sound dumb but how much can a three inch lift really help with clearing obstacles. 2) I'm planning on putting a lift on my 02Nissan frontier it has torsion bars is that a simple install 3) what if the leaf spring bracket are good and rusted can those be replaced?
3 yes, it's a bit more work but they're replaced all the time. In fact if you're replacing leafs on any older vehicle it's generally best to just replace the brackets and shackles all at once with them. No point sticking fresh leafs into a rusted up wreck of a 20 year old bracket.
I'd rather keep this one stock. Being able to take wild angles without feeling like you're going to tip is priceless. You won't get a dual cab flexing like old live axle trucks in a million years, all you're doing is introducing problems, they are just not designed to be lifted unless it's factory, such as the Raptor. 2 inch in an 80 series compared to 2 inch in this guys ute... no comparison. On my 2017 Lux I got rock sliders, underbody protection, bullbar, and away you go. Front locker next, and I think people might be surprised what it's capable of. Then I can work all week without having a pointlessly lifted truck making everything hard.
Good Information Do you suggest to re-enforce the spindles as well, especially if you regularly travel long distances on bumpy roads with steel bullbar and front winch ?
I have a 1995 troopy, would a sway bar reduce body roll and are they compatible? I'd probably get a 5cm lift kit and all the jazz that goes with it if fitting a sway bar.
Yes it would and no SuperPro dont do a troopy sway bar. Im not sure if anybody manufactures a troopy sway bar. If you like you can google SuperPro and than contact their technical department through the website to see if they will make one for you.
Is adding a rear sway bar a disadvantage when off road 4x4 on my Isuzu Dmax 4x4 tourer build at 3T with Lovells GVM upgrade? I can see the advantage of adding rear sway bar for on road touring at 3T GVM.
I have a Nissan Navara NP300, with an alloy bar at the front, canopy and draws. I have a 16ft caravan, which is not used as often as I would like. Generally the car doesn’t carry weight so how do I balance general use and towing?
Honestly, this is the best video I have seen on how these components work. Nothing else I have seen has been this informative. Thanks for posting
wow very informative. Almost didn't watch because looked too much like advertisment but had really good mix of valuable info packed into a punch
The difference between good content and pure PR.
I removed the front and rear sway-bar's on my 80 series as they give me a huge amount of more flex off road. I do have Superior Engineering remote shocks and if they set on hard it drives just like having the sway bars on.. great stuff!
They said they would and they did 💪
yes.....cant wait for new episode tomorrow
Hope you enjoyed it and if you have any questions, feel free to call us on 1800 385 278 or send us a message through our website.
So now we get these videos instead of the magazine Dvds. Thanks guys appreciate it
Gday guys, Graham I think you’ve nailed it with this little vid and potentially others like it. Having separate vids to show different products or brands is helpful, but hopefully it might free up the main vids you guys do.
I really like what you put up for everyone, but sometimes lately I’m thinking mm, hope this doesn’t turn into a big sales pitch. I quite enjoy fishing shows too and the best ones are without all that crap.
Anyway, keep it up, thanks for the action. 👍🏽
This video doesn't apply to me but im still gonna watch it!!
Very nice.
I'm a novice here so this is really aiding me in hows things should be, Thanks 4WD 24-7
Another great vid from the guys👍👍
Great information here. Those with a strait axle in the front dont have to worry as much about camber issues.
Who else is about to spend their entire tax return on a lift kit 🤣🤣
Me + tyres
Just did lol
What’s the best kit to go for the money
@@ethandale22 Dunno I bought a 4" outback armour kit
Now I can blame you for planting this idea😄
That 2inch lift kit installed on my 2017 Dmax. I traveled for 2 weeks in outback last year, about 6000km, including simpsons desert. So far so good.
Glad you are having a great time!
I was the person who said what got u into off roading on the side at the 4x4 show at Brisbane keep up the great effort on 4wd driving keep uploading great content and be a bloody legend @Shauno and @Graham
You blokes are absolute legends cheers for the tips brought a 4wd because of your fellas vids
Sweet, I like videos where I learn something. That bit about the leaf springs in particular.
Excellent vid! We also chosen the Superpro bushes for our Land Rover Defender and very happy with it!!! Greetings from Switzerland!
Nice work Graham.
Absolutely awesome video guys enjoy the new way the channel is going.
I enjoy seeing the before and after of the dmax in action.
Excellent information, the bit about the leaf springs was very informative. I really enjoy the videos and look forward to one day making it "down under"! Keep up the good work. BTW, our tour guide in Costa Rica drove a DMax.
:)
One point you missed when lifting your IFS 4WD you need keep in mind of the CV angles you want them as straight as possible because it will lower the chance of a break and the boots from breaking.
But if the car still can move after broken cv,im all good...as long im not stranded somewhere in remote area
One thing I have learned with lifts is how it affects geometry. The tie rod ends go from flat when loaded to angled down. Wish there was some sort of tie rod end spacer to straighten this out. same is true for how the cv axles sit. At least this seems a lot easier to fix.
Hey guys, best 4x channel on YT by a large margin! My question is about my 2016 series 200 Land Cruiser. I'd like to get about a 2" lift but I'm worried about adversely affecting the KDSS system, which really works perfectly on the road. Do you have any specific recommendations for this truck? Thanks!
A 2 inch lift will not affect the KDSS, it will only require a few extra parts and a reset once completed and it will work perfectly.
Just had Fulcrum suspension installed in my 2019 Dmax and its awesome
I order from this fellas full kit,,, 400kg constant leaf springs for my Navara they send me up to 300kg. Too expensive to return from WA so I have to bay airbags as additional suspension.
That is one thing some people do not take into consideration and can be complacent about when lifting/raising their vehicle is bump steer. This affects your alignment, ride, shock dampening, camber, castor and steering. Has anyone ever seen 4x4's, or any other vehicle for that matter, have their front wheels wobble at speed? If so, that means the bump steer is very bad and it is extremely critical that this eliminated. If it isn't addressed it could lead to a fatal accident &/or serious injury. Cheers for the video :-)
Ahh...called it something else. I'm picking up what you're laying down now
that's what a steering stabilizer is for. They cost about $200US including shocks round here. You go over a 4 inch lift you throw a stabilizer on her for GP to deal with bump steer.
Suggestions for next video. Show us how you clean your truck after a trip.
My pressure washer and I have a hell of a time just after splashing in some puddles, let alone some of the mud these guys get stuck in!!
NICE FULL DEPTH IN DETAILS MI MATE!!!
😀👍🤙🇺🇸💜
Wish you would have mentioned diff relocation benefits for ifs as well as swaybars having a negative impact off-road in terms of suspension travel
but for long term maintenance, relocation is mendatory for some vehicles 😢
Always good stuff! Don't forget the brake lines or tie rods! The rear brake lines look a bit short for hitting the tracks. Also, those factory tie rods are a bit thin when running the lift and bigger tyres. Look into some tie rod sleeves.
You lot going full send on youtube makes like the show even more! Awesome guys and I wish you all the luck in the world!
thank you for the info. Keep updates 😁
Hey guys! My question is on pricing! Ie how much should you aim to spend and what is too much/ too little?
I'm looking to upgrade mine for the first time - most quotes I'm getting from Fox, Emu, Dobinsons, Oztec all seem to be around the 2000 to 3000 range. Raw 4x4 was quoted at 1400. This is for everything, absolutely everything excluding installation. Oztec has lifetime warrenty, but emu and dobinson have reviews behind em.
Im not sure who I'm going with for my 2inch lift, but I do know that its worth the money to get better than the shitty ebay kits.
novakid hydra what are you driving? I went with calmini or independent 4x4 for Isuzu, Land Rover I use terrafirma, and for domestic Us I go Fox or FOA. My Disco2 cost about $2k to lift 3". My 90 Isuzu trooper2 has 3.5" independent 4x4 lift kit for about 1500$. Some kits come with extended brake lines, mounts and things that'll drop the overall price. Some kits are half designed and you end up replacing everything.
I have an Emu 3.5" lift in my CJ7 and it works great. I choose to use 5125 series Bilstein mono-tube dampers as they run cooler in my experience. If you can do your own installation, spending more on quality and reputable parts becomes less of an issue IMHO. Another important thing to consider is if you plan on trading your vehicle in later- lifts and non OE parts will decrease the take in value so shelve the parts so you can swap them back in. If you don't plan on trading it in at a dealer, sell your OE parts to help offset the cost of the lift you want, further extending the reach of your budget.
It all depends on what you are using your 4WD for, we have a range of suspension solutions to fit a range of budgets. It really depends on the application of your vehicle. Whether you are touring, doing extreme off road traveling or just own a weekender.
I would say too little is something where you can tell its dirt cheap and wont serve the vehicles purpose. In most cases a cheaper product wont be quality tested properly and in most cases is a rip off product. To expensive would be when you purchase something that is not meant for your vehicles application, like say you get an overkill off road racing shock absorber which everyone says is amazing but you only install it on your weekender. Again it all comes down to vehicle application and what it actually needs. If you want to go overkill by all means, but does your 4WD really need it?
Feel free to call us on 1800 385 278 or send us a message through our website and we can sort out the best priced solution for you.
spend all u can on tested lift componants dont cheap out you will regret it ya a cheap kit will get you lifted and rolling but in the long run when u ned to last an hold up it will let you down or atleast give u a ride that is not good ive had a few thay did the trick but after geting a more quality systme the difference is night n day just by leaveing the driveway i can feel the quality difference its true .
Howdy Howdy, what a great video am I right? 🤘
I think you just made the case for a solid front axle preferably with single taper leaf springs on slipper blocks rather than a shackle.
Interesting video, I like these bit more in depth ones on topics like this. And thanks for the reminder; I need to give a little bit of TLC to my leaf springs becuae they're squeaky AF after a couple of weekends away 😕
I'm giving my leaf springs some
I just bought a D max as well
Bought* You'r welcome!
@@joshgallier5558 You're*
@@borris412 Ha, a series of bad grammar......
Karma? I think so hahaha
Excellent and informative video Graham - thanks.
I have learned alot just watching this one video. Thank you!!!!
Well done, Can't wait to see you boys at it again on the trail.
Great video guys. Can you do pros and cons of narrow vs wide tyres next?
Do fulcrum suspension do swaybar disconnects, so that when you stop to reduce the air pressure in your tyres you can disconect the swaybar at the same time to allow for more articulation on the rough stuff?
We only do sway bar disconnects for a Nissan Patrol.
Fulcrum Suspensions
I have a 2008 pj ranger and I was wondering what constant kg leaf spring you would recommend for me
I’m a tradie have a drawer system in the back with tools in it
So probably 200+kg
Cheers
what is the best way to check caster on a solid axle? What are the angles generally accepted as being good? Not just for caster but caster, camber, and toe.
With a spec check wheel alignment. Positive caster is good and zero to negative camber is good (some negative camber). Feel free to call us on 1800 385 278 or send us a message through our website.
how does a swaybar affect the vehicle offroad, ie flex
Isuzu have a swaybar stock, so it won't effect it.
A sway bar will limit flex off-road. By disconnecting the sway bar, you are letting the suspension articulate more. On the road, the sway bar helps to reduce body roll.
for offroad flexing/crawling/whatever-you-wanna-call-it you want the suspension to work as independently as possible i.e. no swaybars. Adding sway bars is like having stiffer springs but only in the side-to-side direction - they reduces body roll during cornering but do nothing to affect your ride height versus load weight nor do they affect how much the car squats and dives under acceleration and braking. Contrary to popular belief, you get more cornering grip without one on-road as well because less body roll does not necessarily mean less weight shift. Installing stiff sway bars actually increases weight shift to the outside wheels so they will become overloaded and skid at a lower cornering speed. Having more grip around a corner is however a moot point if your car flips over mid corner haha. Having stiffer springs and/or swaybars also improves the cars dynamics, so while it may have less ultimate grip it is less likely to get into an uncontrollable fishtail if you suddenly swerve.
I run without front or rear sway bars on my CJ7, but if you plan on lost of road miles, consider one with removable links. Check out the JKS J-Kontrol kit, they use sprung detent ball locked pins for their quick disconnects, they take seconds to remove when hitting the trail.
isn't flex suspension atriculation
I have LC100 got icon stage3 with reservoir dobinson 3" and dobinson upper and lower arm i got delta drop down panhard with toughdog panhard bar and im getting rear body roll with stock swaybar
Really makes me consider a sway bar, thanks guys!
No worries!
Hi guys, please can we get a video on the maintenance done and frequency after these trips, Shaun mentioned he does bearings every 5k on sooty. Love the channel.
Great job guys, love your videos. Keep them coming!
You are great and Dmax is amazing pickup
SO NICE, no questions!
Great video Graham. Thanks
I gotta mp300 navara dualcab 2" suspension lift leaf front coiled rear and it does really well 👌🏽
Good video! I learned a lot.
I just purchased a 2020 Toyota 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium with a 3 inch lift and 32 inch Nitto Ridge Runners.
Do I need to be concerned about the suspension????
Swaybar block the suspension movement for offroad, inst it?
It limits the movement of the vehicle off-road and limits the amount of suspension flex.
@@anthonyramdin1037 is that good or bad?
@@siveti15 bad if you're off-roading. Good if you're on normal roads.
@@WES-GR4PES thank you
Very handy video. I was only just looking at uca's!
Feel free to call us on 1800 385 278 or send us a message through our website.
Thanks for the info I'll keep that in mind for when i get a 4WD when I'm older. Cheers
:)
How much does all this cost? And if you just do light to moderate off roading do you really need all of this done or will you survive with stock? Worried I might not make it out my driveway without the full suite of Fulcrum upgrades...
A 2" lift is a pretty smart first step if you can't go larger with tires first. I recommend people consider this order for any upgrade project - tires , lift, camber correction, mono-tube dampers, then sway bar disconnects. If you want to have a bit of fun with a mostly stock rig, go up in tire size and go play - if you need more, come back for more!
@@ewingfox6459 Cheers mate, exactly what I wanted to know :)
I did all of this on my 4runner here in America minus the leaf springs of course and did a 3in lift rims tires 285\70s for around 5k. Could have been cheaper but did icon , total chaos uca and also icon adjustable torsion bar. Plus transfer case spacers as well as stabilize bar drop. However worth it alignment came out perfect . Rides better when loaded and very little roll. A little stiff unloaded if you cant be bothered to adjust it.
Depends on the vehicle you have. You can also go all out and get the most expensive gear or you can go with an affordable setup which is still extremely reliable. It all depends on the application of your vehicle. Feel free to call us on 1800 385 278 or send us a message through our website.
Poly bushings are great on road but crap if you hit the sand or mud. It gets into the center and eats them up.
Fantastic video
Would be nice to have another video about a solid axle suspension.
Great Idea!
How do you correctly adjust for added weight of accessories on something like an automatic height controlled (AHC) LC200?
coils for life
question: Do i need/is it necessary to replace my controlarms(both upper and/or lower) if i upgrade my suspension?
You don’t have to but it is best practice to
Great Video. I'm new to the channel and have subscribed. I've just purchased a 2nd hand 80 series Landcruiser diesel wagon that has a 2 or 3" lift kit with coil springs(I'm unsure as to which height it actually is). I would love to see a video on coil springs instead of leaf springs and the impact this has on my vehicle. I'm new to lifts and don't know anything about them, and am learning fast, I have had to replace a lot of the bushes and things underneath mine for the RWC. My old vehicle as a Toyota FJ40 back in the day.
i was told my numerous suspension shops to not go with adjustable control arms, and im really confused as to why they would say that in a lifted truck that i brought in for allignment issues..........
Great video, im about to upgrade in my colorado, so this info has helped me heaps... Fulcrum stay tuned for a message !!!!!
My rear swaybar D bush came off in the high country causing a horrible knocking in the rear everytime i hit a bump. Trackside fix i removed the swaybar and ziptied it to the roof rack, still there a year or more later....
Only time I've ever heard of ADDING a sway-bar to the back of a truck, for offroading. The stiffer springs should eliminate the need for one, right?
not fully, spring make it carry load better, but a sway bar will stop the 4wd leaning over without compromising on the ride quality.
That said a sway bar "Will" reduce flex offroad... but it will also make it harder to roll over when offroad..
They are plugging the shop's inventory - adding a rear sway bar for offroading capability is not advised. For multi-use vehicles, it is great - but get a unit with quick disconnect links or you will lose traction and flex (unless you want to lift tires all day)
@@ewingfox6459 that's what I am thinking. Anything off-camber would lift your axle up. If you aren't locked, you lose traction....I even took my front bar off, to let my ifs flex more......unless you are using the vehicle for towing or something that requires more stability.
@@ocj921 on the road, it IS a good idea to have at least a front sway bar.. swerve to miss a roo (or a moose/bear/deer where we live) and you could easily end up on your lid :). Quick disconnects would be a good idea for you!)
Adding stiffer springs will work but it will give you a much harsher ride. We like to save our customers from back pain ;)
Fitting larger sway bars, particularly in the rear, has two main effects, vehicle balance in terms of under steer or over steer and increased roll resistance. Both of these effects can provide increased overall handling and safety benefits in a 4WD vehicle. If you are looking for increased stability on the road or when towing, sway bars are a great upgrade option.
As most factory vehicles are partial towards under steer, fitting of a larger rear sway bar, or the addition of a sway bar, helps in providing a more neutral characteristic in the handling. This is due to the increase in roll stiffness at the rear, which changes the loading of the rear wheels under conditions of increased cornering load. SuperPro offers a great range of aftermarket sway bars engineered for many off-road applications, also offering many adjustable kits to best suit your 4WD build.
At the same time, as the rear end is resisting more of the roll, the front end resists less in proportion, leaving the front wheels more evenly loaded, producing more available front end grip. In the end an increase in overall stability can be achieved by balancing the vehicle.
Another effect of introducing larger rear sway bars is a reduction in chassis roll. This reduces the effects of “roll camber”. Roll camber is the variation in the wheel and tyre camber setting due to chassis roll. During cornering the presence of chassis roll usually results in the outside wheels gaining positive camber. By increasing the roll stiffness and reducing roll camber effect, the wheel and tyre combination stays closer to its optimal setting.
As an alternative, this could be remedied by starting out with large amounts of static camber to counteract the positive camber gain. The trade-off however is the resulting increased tyre wear, and reduction in straight-line handling.
Now that the basics are covered, imagine a Nissan Patrol, Toyota Land Cruiser or Toyota Hilux that has been lifted 50mm with a bull bar and winch package. It has been fitted out with a draw system, roof rack and tows a twenty foot caravan! This may be the extreme, but somewhere between this and a standard, off the showroom floor vehicle, is where most of these vehicles operate. The factory sway bars were never designed to control anything other than the standard vehicle at standard ride height and with something less than being loaded to their GVM (Gross Vehicle Mass) limit.
The modern 4WD Dual cab utility, almost the family sedan of this century. Is normally coil sprung with a strut front end and leaf sprung rear with no rear sway bar support. Because of this dual cabs typically suffer from under steer and can be very unstable during high speed directional changes. When you load the vehicle with accessories, people, change its height or tow the problem only gets worse.
The biggest resistance to the fitment of bigger sway bars to 4WD vehicles is the flawed concept of the loss of articulation in the suspension. If the replacement sway bars are designed correctly and the sway bar links are lengthened, replacement sway bars can be fitted with minimal or no loss of articulation. However, the improvements to stability, safety and drive ability will far outweigh any loss of articulation.
So without reducing comfort or articulation, a sway bar will make the suspension system and tyres perform better, making the vehicle more responsive while neutralising under steer. Fitting a sway bar offers all round improvements in handling, tyre wear, comfort, safety and load carrying. It is one of the best handling improvements you can make.
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my 98 isuzu trooper has a pretty good lift. But all the bushings are really starting to wear. its time for some polyurethane!
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The guy in the blue shirt at 7:27 just doesn't give a damn what a wonderful salesman he is 😂
Cheers for the in depth information love the work you guys do just a quick question how much lift have you got in your dmax?
I'm trying to build an 88 toyota pickup on a budget. As I break things I plan on upgrading as time and money allow. I have a sagged out 88 pickup that I have stock 31's on but they rub. Rear is welded. Want lifted and to run 35's
Hi.
I am going to install IMS suspension with 2" lift and 30mm spacers.
My tire size is 265/65/R17
I hope this is sufficient to prevent any rollovers...
Brilliant video, thanks mate
I have a 2002 Ford f150 4x4 and I only want a couple inches of extra clearance for bigger tires and such so I can take the family on camping trips this summer but all I can find are torsion key leveling kits. Are torsion key leveling kits safe to use and are they any good off road? And are they going to wear out lots of other bushings and ball joints and stuff like that much faster? I don't want to ruin my truck I just want some more family time
What will be the proper size of mag wheels and tires for that suspension sir thankyou
You were explaining underload and overload. What if 50% of driving was all loaded for a tradie but the other 50% would be road or off road. Would you add airbags?
If an aftermarket rear sway bar is fitted can it be easily disconnected for the times when hitting the tracks and decent articulation is needed??
Oh I love that truck isuzu was my 1st pick up. I currently have a 2nd gen frontier. Where can I get an isuzu like that..
Cool video. So I have got a couple quick questions for y'all
1) this might sound dumb but how much can a three inch lift really help with clearing obstacles.
2) I'm planning on putting a lift on my 02Nissan frontier it has torsion bars is that a simple install
3) what if the leaf spring bracket are good and rusted can those be replaced?
3 yes, it's a bit more work but they're replaced all the time. In fact if you're replacing leafs on any older vehicle it's generally best to just replace the brackets and shackles all at once with them. No point sticking fresh leafs into a rusted up wreck of a 20 year old bracket.
I'd rather keep this one stock. Being able to take wild angles without feeling like you're going to tip is priceless. You won't get a dual cab flexing like old live axle trucks in a million years, all you're doing is introducing problems, they are just not designed to be lifted unless it's factory, such as the Raptor. 2 inch in an 80 series compared to 2 inch in this guys ute... no comparison. On my 2017 Lux I got rock sliders, underbody protection, bullbar, and away you go. Front locker next, and I think people might be surprised what it's capable of. Then I can work all week without having a pointlessly lifted truck making everything hard.
How is effecting 2 inch lift in front for the CV axle and CV bearing ? Thanks
A lot, do a diff drop mate, the cvs hate angles
More like this one please.
Sure thing!
Problem with leafs is axle flex limitation
Great stuff guys, thanks for the tips !
How much is the price for the whole kit lifting and installation for an Isuzu D-max?
Good Information
Do you suggest to re-enforce the spindles as well, especially if you regularly travel long distances on bumpy roads with steel bullbar and front winch ?
Qasim Saidhi please talk more on spindles!
Please do one on the Dirty 30 with solid axles
Best ever. Thanks guys.
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I have a 1995 troopy, would a sway bar reduce body roll and are they compatible? I'd probably get a 5cm lift kit and all the jazz that goes with it if fitting a sway bar.
Yes it would and no SuperPro dont do a troopy sway bar. Im not sure if anybody manufactures a troopy sway bar. If you like you can google SuperPro and than contact their technical department through the website to see if they will make one for you.
Legends awesome video 🤘
Any advise to find the right suspension lift kit for a 2011 Mitsubishi outlander , much appreciated !! cheers
More videos like this please, do car reviews as well
Would adding a sway bar on rear of dmax be ok even if we do lot of offroad
Is adding a rear sway bar a disadvantage when off road 4x4 on my Isuzu Dmax 4x4 tourer build at 3T with Lovells GVM upgrade? I can see the advantage of adding rear sway bar for on road touring at 3T GVM.
I have a Nissan Navara NP300, with an alloy bar at the front, canopy and draws. I have a 16ft caravan, which is not used as often as I would like. Generally the car doesn’t carry weight so how do I balance general use and towing?
Mintt. Need to do this on a 2015 navara stx possibly np300
Love it guys! Got one for the coils coming? would be interested to learn more.
Thanks for the details my bro! I love this show!!!!!!!1
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I had rear shocks on my jackaroo fade to nothing going up thePDR to weipa, ended up in the table drain. Scared 99 colours of crap out of me.
This was really helpful