Props to Novak for acknowledging that inconsistencies within the system exist and he gives his observations without having to disparage anyone who has a different opinion
That was always the legitimate discussion. But again, Novak hasn’t made the reason for inconsistency, just that there is inconsistencies. If you aren’t clearly about the inconsistencies then they are just hearsay and no change happens when you are not specific
Agree, I also think Simona's case took a lot longer because for so long she couldn't provide the source of the elevated Roxadustat in her system so she wasn't able to justify it being there. It eventually turned out to be a rogue Collagen supplement.. In Sinners case the source of the substance was easily traceable to the physios spray. It all depends now on whether fans believe the version of events provided but he has ultimately been exonerated.
I love Jannik: but ito transparency and process, they should've: (1) made it public (2) given Jannik a 3-6 month suspension to investigate (3) drop suspension if cleared, or give longer suspension if found guilty. Everybody knows that if it was Djokovic, they, together with the mainstream media, politicians, and oligarchs, would have thrown him to the wolves 🤔🤨
Seriously we don't know what would have happened if it was Djokovic. Second, just look at the comments, Djokovic has easily the most fanboys across the globe, so this victimhood is very unnecessary, he is protected by all costs by his fans.
as Jannik explained, the reason why he received only a short suspension (3-5 days) is because he and his team immediately provided credible evidence about the transmission of the substance from the spray to his body. No need for long suspension.
@@athletes6724 you do realise that Novak is disliked for the way he acted early on in his career before he had any success, and he's continued to utilise gamesmanship throughout his entire career as well as all the other stupid stuff he's done (which btw the media haven't ever lied, they just presented the truth). Novak is a pseudoscience fanatic, a conspiracy theorist and has a massive victim complex... He's his own worst enemy, but it's always easier to blame the only two other players you know of, or the western media (again showing the chip on the shoulder remake believe victim complex)...
Battaglino also an Italian banned for 4 years in 2023 for the same product in his system in tiny amounts. He was playing a tournament in Morocco and his plea was also about a physio - that the the tournament physio had contaminated him. But he has no money and the physio doesn't want to implicate himself for no reward so does not testify.
What will happen re: counting Sinner (and Djokovic's) week at #1? A metric ATP promotes quite a bit. Because if Sinner's 400 points from Indian wells retroactively subtracted, which would make sense, then Djokovic would've been #1 for additional week (last week)
Sensible commentary from Novak Djokovic -- nothing to disagree with there. Of course players are troubled by lack of consistency of in application of penalties. Sinner benefitted this time, but next time maybe not. I do not think Sinner is to blame for the inconsistency of treatment. I do not fault him, I don't think he was cheating, nor do I think Simona Halep was cheating.
Well, I guess it's the responsibility of the player to have a professional team around him/her. If a medical team member makes a big mistake, it should therefore also impact on Sinner, the same way it impacts on other players. Indeed sinner should have been banned for a few months until the issue was cleared up with a final verdict.
@@richyalexander9206 This idea of Sinner being responsible for his team is nice and all, but you can't control everything a person does so it seems strange for Sinner to have to suffer because of something someone else did. And a months long provisional ban wouldn't make much sense either as the amount found was too low to enhance his performance and it's not like he tested positive in subsequent tests so he couldn't have gained an advantage in any way (and gaining an advantage is the reason they provisionally ban players).
To all those simpletons incapable of doing basic research and wrongly opining that Sinner got off due to his ranking try some facts for a change. It should be noted that Marco Bortolotti faced a similar controversy at the tail end of 2023. Despite being a lower-ranked player (376) his case was resolved within three months, with no suspension. The player's case wasn't made public until a conclusion was reached, just like Sinner's.
one of the reasons i really like tennis is because i feel like it's almost impossible to fix matches, especially big matches, don't ruin the sport by being unfair
Fixing in tennis still existed. Unfair treatment and bribery are ways to fix the game. Also corrupted umpires and judges who destroy the mentality of players
It would be helpful if Sport Resolution commented tbh and explained the process and why it happened this way in this case. It's the lack of clear communication that doesn't help. The legalities are very complicated and there is also a lot of misinformation around
@@joannemoore3976I think all the information is there… It would be more helpful if someone can actually point out a specific problems or inconsistency… All i hear is very lazy whataboutism by pointing to completely different cases and “oh Sinner is Nr 1 so ofcourse they gave him the benefit of the doubt.”This has now often degraded to the light version: Well he has the best most expensive lawyers noone else can buy and that is why he came out well. How can they reasonably respond to this other then that there was no pref treatment, rules, protocols and independent investigation were conducted as always?
@@alessandrovalente7645 to be honest I agree with you the information is all there, but people, players included, don't seem inclined to actually look at it properly..they are all going on about inconsistency and preferential treatment so maybe a statement about the rules and process would help. But then again, probably not, if people are determined to keep attacking 🤷♀️
Very well turned around to slam those who kept Simona out for 9 months unnecessarily, exactly when she was top 10 again ! Now with her injuries we don't know if she will be able to get back in form ! But for others not a single day of penalty !! This was the main point of Novak about the "standards" applied by mafia sport !
Djokovic always back his peers. Its sad that they all turned on him when he decided not to get the clot shot. There some out there that still want his head over that, even thought its know its not good for you.
With all due respect I genuinely don’t understand why some people are so convinced the “clot shot” was bad. Again, not trying to start anything or be rude, just want to understand
No inconsistencies! Bortolotti (No. 87 in ATP Doubles Ranking) who faced a similar situation towards the end of 2023. Despite being a lower-ranked player, his case was resolved within three months, with no suspension. The player's case wasn't made public until a conclusion was reached, just like Sinner's. Djokovic is just plugging PTPA which he founded!
He's Italian too. The point is that certain countries get preferential treatment. Why was Bortolotti's explanation for the contamination redacted? It's probably the same reason that Sinner gave.
If this was not Sinner, any other player would be banned. The ATP can't afford to lose billions they have planned to earn with the sinner'alcaraz rivalry for the next 15 years. The hypocrisy and blatant favoritism is pathetic.
It should be noted that Marco Bortolotti ranked 376 at the time faced a similar controversy at the tail end of 2023. Despite being a lower-ranked player, his case was resolved within three months, with no suspension. The player's case wasn't made public until a conclusion was reached, just like Sinner's.
@@bengray5013 agree. To all those simpletons incapable of doing basic research and wrongly opining that Sinner got off due to his ranking try some facts for a change. It should be noted that Marco Bortolotti faced a similar controversy at the tail end of 2023. Despite being a lower-ranked player (376) his case was resolved within three months, with no suspension. The player's case wasn't made public until a conclusion was reached, just like Sinner's.
Everyone talking about Halep when she admitted ingesting something given to her without knowing what was inside. It’s not the same case as accidental exposure. Also, Sinner’s team appealed immediately and won.
No only the original notification of a positive test. They successfully appealed the provisional suspension. But the final 'verdict' if you like was only given on Monday after the Tribunal hearing on 15th August.
@@MarcoK6969 I think the confusion is between the original notification of a positive test (back in April) and the outcome of the tribunal in August. What Novak is referring to is that Sports Resolutions upheld the appeal against provision suspension (because the evidence suggested that a ban would be unlikely). But they still had to wait then for the actual hearing which was in August.
When a suspension was in place, how was Sinner allowed to play in those 5 months just based on his submissions which was prima facie found plausible ?? That is ridiculous and unprecedented. Clear favouritism is there without a shade of doubt.
See the exactly idrntical case of Bortolotti (number 300+). There's no special treatment... On the contrary you never heard of Bortolotti but you are here to discuss Sinner.
@@michael8597 maybe the fact that the amount of substance could in no way athletically enhance made the suspension even more plausible..I don’t know..all you certainties are somewhat out of place, but I am quite sure that more than disparity of treatment it was a good (and expendive) bunch of lawyers.
The Sinner precedent should be viewed as a positive development for all players going forward. It was a blessing in disguise. Perhaps others can now be assisted in the process rather than stumbling through it and ending up penalized unjustly.
E' proprio vero che esistono due binari della giustizia: quella vera sancita dai Tribunali e quella (purtroppo più efficace) sancita dai media. Quest’ultima troppo spesso superficiale e raramente basata sui fatti concreti, che in questo caso, peraltro, sono pubblici. Da spettatore mi sono sempre chiesto quale fosse l’obiettivo di spettacolarizzare le vicende giudiziarie, se non quello di giudicare, creare o distruggere le persone e la loro reputazione. Oggi che ne sono protagonista, ne ho la conferma!". Giacomo Naldi ex preparatore atletico di SINNER.
No, Of course he should not. 1) because he's innocent. 2) because he did not take any level of substance that could improve his performance. 3) because he immediately proved how and why he got in touch with the substance. The only unfair act was against Sinner: they stole him money and points.
Sorry Cam, i think Djoko doesnt know the whole timeline which makes his statement inaccurate. But i do agree that players should be assisted and hearings expedited. There are also rules about when to announce the news and it’s AFTER the tribunal has made a ruling, not before. (This actually protects ALL players from unnecessary media attention and not just Sinner) Halep was initially ruled as guilty bec she couldnt explain where it came from plus the levels were high enough to have been performance-enhancing. Halep could have benefitted from Player assistance too.
@@longinusgalaxy411all players who test positive are not banned, it depends on the circumstances. Of course there are excuses. If you accidentally kill someone or you commit murder, would you expect rhe same judgement for those two scenarios in a court of law? Of course not. They judge intentionality and whether the player had been negligent and also how far they have been diligent in preventing contamination
Well, the most important thing is that Sinner was cleared to play after a thorough investigation was done. Now, even if the process was not consistent for all the players - while that is a genuine issue no doubt but certainly not that Sinner should be paying for or held responsible!
It's not about "zero tolerance" - zero tolerance by default leads to witch hunt. It is about the double standards. It is not hard to imagine that lower ranked players, but some high ranked players as well (Djokovic for sure), would be harshly treated both by the AD agency and Western MSM.
Sinner ha saputo subito da dove veniva la contaminazione involontaria. E ha potuto dimostrarla immediatamente. Altri tennisti purtroppo non sapevano neppure dove e come erano stati contaminati involontariamente. Sinner perciò è stato solo molto fortunato. Vederci un'ingiustizia in questo é ridicolo. Anche il silenzio durante l'indagine è garantita a tutti non solo a sinner. Certo é una prassi recente. Allora diciamo che sinner é stato doppiamente fortunato
Sinner employed the very best and most expensive lawyers for this case. That reduced the possibility of him being unfairly treated(Unlike what happened to others). I really do think he is innocent and that the substance didn't affect him due to the low concentration. But you need people that can prove it for you, and Sinner afforded the people he needed. My two cents..
Esattamente così! ,sono d’accordo, anche nella vita reale chi ha piu’ possibilità’ economiche riesce a ingaggiare avvocati migliori, non ci trovo niente di scandaloso
many keep forgetting that Jannik and his team collaborated with the authorities from day 0 and provided credible evidence about the transmission of the steroid from the spray to his body. In other circumstances, i.e. with other players, this might have not been the case. This, to me, explains the treatment that Jannik received which, incidentally, is identical to the one received by Bortolotti, not a superstar like Sinner. Then, of course, mistakes and unwarranted bans might have been inflicted in the past.
Why then not speak about Bortolotti case, it was the same and ended in the same way. The question with cross contamination is that if you can explain or not how you were in contact with the substance. In case of sinner and Bortolotti they were and the lab test supporting that.
@kainaatsingh1178 Stefano battaglino another Italian was suspended for the same, why? In that case unfortunately he could not bring evidence o good defence. Gabriel da Silvia Santos a brazilian swimmer was cleared as well. There is for example a study about cross contamination with clostebol "Incidental clostebol contamination in atheles after...". This is a study not an opinion.
1) because he's innocent. 2) because he did not take any level of substance that could improve his performance. 3) because he immediately proved how and why he got in touch with the substance. The only unfair act was against Sinner: they stole him money and points.
@@ultrafrost-2774apparently the Halep case was debated by the PTPA (professional tennis players association) to get revoked as it was an unfair choice, and it’s not fair for it to happen again. People don’t realize it 😅
Sinner became no 1 because Novak was attacked in Rome !!! Carlos became no 1 because Novak points were stolen from Wimbledon !!! Carlos also got umpire help in finals . None of their records are valid.
@@marcomalpassi7655 Another Italian Errani said her mother's drugs got into the Tortellini - the Italians with the most "elaborate" excuses just like with Sinner...
Not sure why people are still surprised that money affords preferential treatment - it's privilege, and it's life. In the real (non-tennis) world in legal proceedings if you have the money you can afford to expedite the process and hire top notch legal presentation. Novak would do exactly the same and then miraculously forget about fair treatment to all players.
I said the same thing. Only Novak made sense from all the bunch. Everyone should be treated the same way. He should have been suspended already like simona Halep and Maria Sharapova.
Dite a Djokovic che i casi di Sinner e Halep non erano gli stessi ,Sinner ha subito dimostrato come era finito nel suo corpo il doping , la Halep ci ha messo 9 mesi,si documenti il signor Goat
Did the PTPA also adress the rule loophole where Nardi beat Novak by “stopping to play”?Clearly the rules were very unfair and unclear. The Umpire did not understand it at all and Nardi had to be educated by the wise Djokovic at the net. When Kyrgios stopped playing he never got to win. These inconsistencies are ruining the sport.
It's not preferential treatment. Any player has 5 days to appeal against the provisional suspension and that is what they did and were successful. In other cases they didn't do this in time OR the appeal was not accepted. THATS what made the difference for Jannik. Now, maybe the Tribunal itself was held quite quickly whereas other players have waited longer but, again, that was probably because all of the evidence was available.
Novak legitimately works his butt off to stay healthy and keep playing without putting anything but clean food into his system. So Sinner should be suspended at the very least when it's been found that he doped twice. It's unfair when others work hard to stay fit and he's cheating.
Let’s Call it how it is. Media is propping this virtually non-existent and untruthful story. It’s all for clicks , and perhaps even for the sports betting community this might be something to detract them , even if you are not a hard nosed Tennis fan. Real fans know what is going on here …………….
I have not a single doubt that he’s innocent, anyone who looks at one’s true nature probably feels the same. Players that are whining about discrimination are such pathetic losers (even if I’m somehow wrong).
Two tiers. One for players like Jannik and then the second tier for no names like Casey Kania. He is a 21-year-old with a career-high doubles ranking of 1,317th and $482 in career tennis earnings. He got 2 years for marijuana.
Novak can speak about this all he wants but to be honest, the ITIA isn’t changing any rules for anyone unless an argument about what was unfair in the administration of the rules between Sinner’s case and others case. As far as everyone calling out unfairness, they aren’t helping solve the issue ITIA needs to address other than feelings! The rules are there to read and I want to know what specifically was unfair with the other players as it pertains to the rules?
What kind of tongue-in-cheek double speak is that? "Novak can speak about this all he wants..." is just code for 'his opinion doesn't matter'. Djokovic didn't call a press conference to discuss this matter, he was asked by the press. What was he supposed to say? No comment...
Esatto Djokovic prima di sparare cazzate si dovrebbe informare, io indagherei piu’ su di lui che ha piu’ di37 anni e sembra sempre che in campo stia morendo e poi miracolosamente resuscita e vince , vedi con Musetti e Cerundolo aParigi
@@JamesD-iw6pr I think @yagamurkurnaz1322 means "political" as in "politic" -- that is, diplomatic, measured, meant to calm the waters, rather than roil them.
How can he weigh in on such issues when in fact he plays with the system too? Pretending to have knee problems but moves flawlessly? He's not a cheat a such but plays mind games. I work in health care. Post knee arthroscopies at the very least take 3 months to recover. Even then , they are not back to 100%. Zero respect. Who's he, Clark Kent?
Stop lying. You don't work in health care. I don't see you crying about Hurkacz who returned to the tour 3 weeks after meniscus surgery. Bitter Nadal fan?
Sospetto che agli US open ne accadranno delle belle , Il caso Sinner è clamoroso per il tennis. Prevedo numerosi ritiri a questo torneo con scuse varie perchè i giocatori temono veri controlli! Non trovate strano che tutti i casi simili a quelli di Sinner siano provocati tutti dalla stessa sostanza contenuta in una pomata o uno spry usato da un massaggiatore idiota? Sottoscrivo in pieno quello dichiarato da Kyrgios , quello che dice il re dei dopati non mi interessa!
Kyrgios e’ la persona piu’ inetta che esiste come si può dar credito a una persona del genere , un frustrato che non ha mai vinto niente , recordman di racchette spaccate?
@@oscarronca8748 You see, he didn't say anything that bad about your pet, he just said that it's not the same treatment for everyone and that they should have the same opportunity.
@@oscarronca8748 Il Caravaggio era un assassino , eppure è il più grande pittore della storia dell'arte . Comunque non ha mai vinto niente perchè sicuramente non si dopa al contrario per esempio di Alcaraz Djokovic e ora .....
Props to Novak for acknowledging that inconsistencies within the system exist and he gives his observations without having to disparage anyone who has a different opinion
That was always the legitimate discussion. But again, Novak hasn’t made the reason for inconsistency, just that there is inconsistencies. If you aren’t clearly about the inconsistencies then they are just hearsay and no change happens when you are not specific
What is not clear about players not being treated the same AKA favouritism? Pretty self explanatory I think…
@LoveJokic So which players? And on which specific point did they get a significant different treatment while the situation was the same?
The same Djokovic who got sanctioned by wada
@@bengray5013???
because it was unfair to simona halep
we shouldnt make it unfair to Sinner too
we must defend the players and protect them
Long Live the Goat
She appealed 4 months after the positive
Agree, I also think Simona's case took a lot longer because for so long she couldn't provide the source of the elevated Roxadustat in her system so she wasn't able to justify it being there. It eventually turned out to be a rogue Collagen supplement.. In Sinners case the source of the substance was easily traceable to the physios spray. It all depends now on whether fans believe the version of events provided but he has ultimately been exonerated.
He took illegal drugs to enhance his performance. Failed two drug tests . He should be suspended like many other players were.
@@richcampbell6808 You are not well informed.
@@francisdrake7060 You're clueless. Saw an hour long interview with both sides of the story.
All players care about is the fairness across the field.
I love Jannik: but ito transparency and process, they should've: (1) made it public (2) given Jannik a 3-6 month suspension to investigate (3) drop suspension if cleared, or give longer suspension if found guilty.
Everybody knows that if it was Djokovic, they, together with the mainstream media, politicians, and oligarchs, would have thrown him to the wolves 🤔🤨
Djokovic, the guy who was sanctioned by wada
Seriously we don't know what would have happened if it was Djokovic. Second, just look at the comments, Djokovic has easily the most fanboys across the globe, so this victimhood is very unnecessary, he is protected by all costs by his fans.
@@Stu49583but what about
Nadal fan
Federer fan
And media
Just check some headlines about Novak
He is most hated guy but he is goat ? 😂
as Jannik explained, the reason why he received only a short suspension (3-5 days) is because he and his team immediately provided credible evidence about the transmission of the substance from the spray to his body. No need for long suspension.
@@athletes6724 you do realise that Novak is disliked for the way he acted early on in his career before he had any success, and he's continued to utilise gamesmanship throughout his entire career as well as all the other stupid stuff he's done (which btw the media haven't ever lied, they just presented the truth). Novak is a pseudoscience fanatic, a conspiracy theorist and has a massive victim complex... He's his own worst enemy, but it's always easier to blame the only two other players you know of, or the western media (again showing the chip on the shoulder remake believe victim complex)...
Which made this issue very unfair to Simona Halep
La Halep ha negato e basta per 2 anni senza dare risposte che c'entra con Sinner.
2 different stories..but hey..can't argue with someone who has no idea what is talking about
Halep admitted ingesting something so way different case.
The more you listen the more you know before comparing.
Two different stories.
Battaglino also an Italian banned for 4 years in 2023 for the same product in his system in tiny amounts. He was playing a tournament in Morocco and his plea was also about a physio - that the the tournament physio had contaminated him. But he has no money and the physio doesn't want to implicate himself for no reward so does not testify.
What will happen re: counting Sinner (and Djokovic's) week at #1? A metric ATP promotes quite a bit. Because if Sinner's 400 points from Indian wells retroactively subtracted, which would make sense, then Djokovic would've been #1 for additional week (last week)
DOUBLE STANDARDS!!!
Sensible commentary from Novak Djokovic -- nothing to disagree with there. Of course players are troubled by lack of consistency of in application of penalties. Sinner benefitted this time, but next time maybe not. I do not think Sinner is to blame for the inconsistency of treatment. I do not fault him, I don't think he was cheating, nor do I think Simona Halep was cheating.
"Sensible commentary..." pray tell, what did he actually say?🤔
Certo sono tutti agnellini! Chi vince nello sport moderno è matematico che bari!
Well, I guess it's the responsibility of the player to have a professional team around him/her. If a medical team member makes a big mistake, it should therefore also impact on Sinner, the same way it impacts on other players. Indeed sinner should have been banned for a few months until the issue was cleared up with a final verdict.
@@richyalexander9206 This idea of Sinner being responsible for his team is nice and all, but you can't control everything a person does so it seems strange for Sinner to have to suffer because of something someone else did.
And a months long provisional ban wouldn't make much sense either as the amount found was too low to enhance his performance and it's not like he tested positive in subsequent tests so he couldn't have gained an advantage in any way (and gaining an advantage is the reason they provisionally ban players).
To all those simpletons incapable of doing basic research and wrongly opining that Sinner got off due to his ranking try some facts for a change. It should be noted that Marco Bortolotti faced a similar controversy at the tail end of 2023. Despite being a lower-ranked player (376) his case was resolved within three months, with no suspension. The player's case wasn't made public until a conclusion was reached, just like Sinner's.
one of the reasons i really like tennis is because i feel like it's almost impossible to fix matches, especially big matches, don't ruin the sport by being unfair
Fixing in tennis still existed. Unfair treatment and bribery are ways to fix the game. Also corrupted umpires and judges who destroy the mentality of players
And what does this have to do with Sinner?
Very easy to fix a match. A tennis player can just play bad on purpose .
Openness and honesty and same rule for everybody . . The secrecy and that they allowed him to play , has harmed him in the eyes of the world .
I like how Cam pronounces the name "djokovic"
The inconsistencies between cases is what isn't fair. I understand why the players feel there's special treatment in Sinner's case.
It would be helpful if Sport Resolution commented tbh and explained the process and why it happened this way in this case. It's the lack of clear communication that doesn't help. The legalities are very complicated and there is also a lot of misinformation around
@@joannemoore3976I think all the information is there… It would be more helpful if someone can actually point out a specific problems or inconsistency… All i hear is very lazy whataboutism by pointing to completely different cases and “oh Sinner is Nr 1 so ofcourse they gave him the benefit of the doubt.”This has now often degraded to the light version: Well he has the best most expensive lawyers noone else can buy and that is why he came out well. How can they reasonably respond to this other then that there was no pref treatment, rules, protocols and independent investigation were conducted as always?
@@alessandrovalente7645 to be honest I agree with you the information is all there, but people, players included, don't seem inclined to actually look at it properly..they are all going on about inconsistency and preferential treatment so maybe a statement about the rules and process would help. But then again, probably not, if people are determined to keep attacking 🤷♀️
Obviously it's going to go case by case for this, not every situation will be treated the exact same.
@@alessandrovalente7645
They would ban Medvedev for two years for the same failed drugs test.
A novak también lo prohibirian, si fuese así. Doble rasero.
Right
@@upfulsoul826 are u on facenook
@@Mart7155 english?
@@annechris2677Translated from Spanish, he said: 'Novak would have been also banned if that were the case. Double standard.'
Very well turned around to slam those who kept Simona out for 9 months unnecessarily, exactly when she was top 10 again ! Now with her injuries we don't know if she will be able to get back in form ! But for others not a single day of penalty !! This was the main point of Novak about the "standards" applied by mafia sport !
Djokovic always back his peers. Its sad that they all turned on him when he decided not to get the clot shot. There some out there that still want his head over that, even thought its know its not good for you.
With all due respect I genuinely don’t understand why some people are so convinced the “clot shot” was bad. Again, not trying to start anything or be rude, just want to understand
Some didn't. Some did. Nadal was an absolute snivelling snake about it for sure.
@@BillyBob-xi9ih people dying after getting it?
@@genenars9698 people also died after not getting it
He doesn't really seem to be backing Sinner on this one as he only talked about "unfair treatment".
I wonder how halep feels
FR
The halep case was totally different, you understand or not????
@@stefciko5831 ofc just like couple different players expect that one...😂
@@biohacker5815 are you stupid?
@@biohacker5815 What do you even mean by that sentence?
The GOAT indeed.
No inconsistencies!
Bortolotti (No. 87 in ATP Doubles Ranking) who faced a similar situation towards the end of 2023. Despite being a lower-ranked player, his case was resolved within three months, with no suspension. The player's case wasn't made public until a conclusion was reached, just like Sinner's.
Djokovic is just plugging PTPA which he founded!
By the way, Bortolotti was not admitted to US Open since he played in Iran in 2015. Anybody interested if this is fair or not?
@@Mylorz Bortolotti’s visa for entry into the U.S. was denied.
@@RamZar50 exactly...
He's Italian too. The point is that certain countries get preferential treatment. Why was Bortolotti's explanation for the contamination redacted? It's probably the same reason that Sinner gave.
@@upfulsoul826No, you're just making it up. His country of origin is irrelevant.
If this was not Sinner, any other player would be banned. The ATP can't afford to lose billions they have planned to earn with the sinner'alcaraz rivalry for the next 15 years. The hypocrisy and blatant favoritism is pathetic.
Agreed
It should be noted that Marco Bortolotti ranked 376 at the time faced a similar controversy at the tail end of 2023. Despite being a lower-ranked player, his case was resolved within three months, with no suspension. The player's case wasn't made public until a conclusion was reached, just like Sinner's.
Incorrect, this happened to Bortolotti, a player ranked in the 300’s, Janniks lawyer used his case as a precedent
@@Kreatures100 exactly
@@bengray5013 agree. To all those simpletons incapable of doing basic research and wrongly opining that Sinner got off due to his ranking try some facts for a change. It should be noted that Marco Bortolotti faced a similar controversy at the tail end of 2023. Despite being a lower-ranked player (376) his case was resolved within three months, with no suspension. The player's case wasn't made public until a conclusion was reached, just like Sinner's.
Everyone talking about Halep when she admitted ingesting something given to her without knowing what was inside. It’s not the same case as accidental exposure. Also, Sinner’s team appealed immediately and won.
But Halep case was made public immediately. Sinner's case was kept in secrecy! If you are innocent why was it kept secret for 5-6 months?
Nadal would be like "I believe Sinner is innocent and the organizations have done everything the best way possible"
''I think five or six months passed since the news was brought to him and his team'' Well no they knew and kept it a secret...
i agree to Djoko
No only the original notification of a positive test. They successfully appealed the provisional suspension. But the final 'verdict' if you like was only given on Monday after the Tribunal hearing on 15th August.
I think you didn't understand the English, listen it again, he didn't say what you wrote
@@usermatisse sorry I don't think I understand your comment or who it's addressed to
@@MarcoK6969 I think the confusion is between the original notification of a positive test (back in April) and the outcome of the tribunal in August. What Novak is referring to is that Sports Resolutions upheld the appeal against provision suspension (because the evidence suggested that a ban would be unlikely). But they still had to wait then for the actual hearing which was in August.
When a suspension was in place, how was Sinner allowed to play in those 5 months just based on his submissions which was prima facie found plausible ?? That is ridiculous and unprecedented.
Clear favouritism is there without a shade of doubt.
See the exactly idrntical case of Bortolotti (number 300+). There's no special treatment... On the contrary you never heard of Bortolotti but you are here to discuss Sinner.
You forget that in other cases the cause and crcumstance of positivity was not evident from the very start of the investigation.
@@giamo645 Well the Tribunal simply appropriated whatever Sinner and his battery of lawyers told them.. This has never happened before.
@@michael8597 maybe the fact that the amount of substance could in no way athletically enhance made the suspension even more plausible..I don’t know..all you certainties are somewhat out of place, but I am quite sure that more than disparity of treatment it was a good (and expendive) bunch of lawyers.
The Sinner precedent should be viewed as a positive development for all players going forward. It was a blessing in disguise. Perhaps others can now be assisted in the process rather than stumbling through it and ending up penalized unjustly.
it wont be. lower ranked players wont get the publicity that Sinner got and don't have the lawyers that Sinner has
Lol
It’s the Bortlotti precedent actually.
@@puzzliteso why did a player ranked in the 300’s get the same end result from a similar case? Because the system works if you’ve not ingested peds
HALEP CASE FAIR, DO YOU THINK. HALEP IS NOT PART OF WESTERN CROOKS ATP
E' proprio vero che esistono due binari della giustizia: quella vera sancita dai Tribunali e quella (purtroppo più efficace) sancita dai media. Quest’ultima troppo spesso superficiale e raramente basata sui fatti concreti, che in questo caso, peraltro, sono pubblici. Da spettatore mi sono sempre chiesto quale fosse l’obiettivo di spettacolarizzare le vicende giudiziarie, se non quello di giudicare, creare o distruggere le persone e la loro reputazione. Oggi che ne sono protagonista, ne ho la conferma!".
Giacomo Naldi ex preparatore atletico di SINNER.
He should have been suspended
A vita.... fuori dal tennis, complottisti invidiosi.
No, Of course he should not. 1) because he's innocent. 2) because he did not take any level of substance that could improve his performance. 3) because he immediately proved how and why he got in touch with the substance. The only unfair act was against Sinner: they stole him money and points.
TOP !!!!!
Absolutely!!!!!!!
Djokovic as usual standing strong for all, Sinner and the rest.
Sorry Cam, i think Djoko doesnt know the whole timeline which makes his statement inaccurate.
But i do agree that players should be assisted and hearings expedited.
There are also rules about when to announce the news and it’s AFTER the tribunal has made a ruling, not before.
(This actually protects ALL players from unnecessary media attention and not just Sinner)
Halep was initially ruled as guilty bec she couldnt explain where it came from plus the levels were high enough to have been performance-enhancing.
Halep could have benefitted from Player assistance too.
Listen closely Jannik, here speaks a player who has been much more clever about hiding his PED use for years now.
Preferential treatment
Sinner should be suspended like the other players who had banned substances in their system. No excuses.
@@longinusgalaxy411all players who test positive are not banned, it depends on the circumstances. Of course there are excuses. If you accidentally kill someone or you commit murder, would you expect rhe same judgement for those two scenarios in a court of law? Of course not. They judge intentionality and whether the player had been negligent and also how far they have been diligent in preventing contamination
@longinus.. I'm suspecting your TOXICITY is much more than ONE BILLIONTH 😮😮 anyway my SUSPECTING counts nothing.. same as yours 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
How so? What in the administration in the rules was preferential?
It''s false that every other players have been suspended when tested positive.
If you wantvto discuss, you must know what you are talking about.
Well, the most important thing is that Sinner was cleared to play after a thorough investigation was done. Now, even if the process was not consistent for all the players - while that is a genuine issue no doubt but certainly not that Sinner should be paying for or held responsible!
The blame was not on Sinners person but the inconsistencies of the system rather
It's not about "zero tolerance" - zero tolerance by default leads to witch hunt.
It is about the double standards.
It is not hard to imagine that lower ranked players, but some high ranked players as well (Djokovic for sure), would be harshly treated both by the AD agency and Western MSM.
Sinner ha saputo subito da dove veniva la contaminazione involontaria. E ha potuto dimostrarla immediatamente. Altri tennisti purtroppo non sapevano neppure dove e come erano stati contaminati involontariamente. Sinner perciò è stato solo molto fortunato. Vederci un'ingiustizia in questo é ridicolo. Anche il silenzio durante l'indagine è garantita a tutti non solo a sinner. Certo é una prassi recente. Allora diciamo che sinner é stato doppiamente fortunato
Be careful Novak with who is assigned to bandage your meniscus
What is there to bandage😅
Well his coach is known to CHEAT
Sinner employed the very best and most expensive lawyers for this case. That reduced the possibility of him being unfairly treated(Unlike what happened to others). I really do think he is innocent and that the substance didn't affect him due to the low concentration. But you need people that can prove it for you, and Sinner afforded the people he needed. My two cents..
Esattamente così! ,sono d’accordo, anche nella vita reale chi ha piu’ possibilità’ economiche riesce a ingaggiare avvocati migliori, non ci trovo niente di scandaloso
Dovrebbero piu che altro indagare su di lui
I've moved on. All has been said aready 100 times;) Let's get to the last slam of the year and enjoy tennis!😊
many keep forgetting that Jannik and his team collaborated with the authorities from day 0 and provided credible evidence about the transmission of the steroid from the spray to his body. In other circumstances, i.e. with other players, this might have not been the case. This, to me, explains the treatment that Jannik received which, incidentally, is identical to the one received by Bortolotti, not a superstar like Sinner. Then, of course, mistakes and unwarranted bans might have been inflicted in the past.
Yes, the ban of Ymer was probably unwarranted.
Why then not speak about Bortolotti case, it was the same and ended in the same way. The question with cross contamination is that if you can explain or not how you were in contact with the substance. In case of sinner and Bortolotti they were and the lab test supporting that.
And the fact that they both are Italians and head of ATP is Italian has no meaning?
@kainaatsingh1178 Stefano battaglino another Italian was suspended for the same, why? In that case unfortunately he could not bring evidence o good defence. Gabriel da Silvia Santos a brazilian swimmer was cleared as well. There is for example a study about cross contamination with clostebol "Incidental clostebol contamination in atheles after...". This is a study not an opinion.
why Sinner is not banned?
1) because he's innocent. 2) because he did not take any level of substance that could improve his performance. 3) because he immediately proved how and why he got in touch with the substance. The only unfair act was against Sinner: they stole him money and points.
Just let it pass but yeah standard the treatment.
Sinner is not at fault, ATP is.
I hope US crowd keeps that in mind and dont go full barbaric on Sinner
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ATP had nothing to do with any of it, it was the ITIA who presided over it
@@ultrafrost-2774apparently the Halep case was debated by the PTPA (professional tennis players association) to get revoked as it was an unfair choice, and it’s not fair for it to happen again. People don’t realize it 😅
The U.S. crowd, along with the French crowd, is one of the worst crowds in tennis. I’m an American, btw.
Atp Italian president. Preferential treatment.
do a video on all jdokers pill popping, lots of great recent x threads on it. screaming at his wife, etc.
Sinner became no 1 because Novak was attacked in Rome !!!
Carlos became no 1 because Novak points were stolen from Wimbledon !!!
Carlos also got umpire help in finals .
None of their records are valid.
Il Serbo è il più dopato di tutti!
@@marcomalpassi7655 And WHAT do you base that allegation on?
@@marcomalpassi7655 Another Italian Errani said her mother's drugs got into the Tortellini - the Italians with the most "elaborate" excuses just like with Sinner...
Sinner is number 1 because Novak is number 2 🤣🤣
Ah yes, let's just ignore that djoko wasnt even making finals until midway through this year
Not sure why people are still surprised that money affords preferential treatment - it's privilege, and it's life.
In the real (non-tennis) world in legal proceedings if you have the money you can afford to expedite the process and hire top notch legal presentation.
Novak would do exactly the same and then miraculously forget about fair treatment to all players.
I said the same thing. Only Novak made sense from all the bunch. Everyone should be treated the same way. He should have been suspended already like simona Halep and Maria Sharapova.
Don’t need to shout all the time , speak normal is awful 😊
That's how Americans speak. They like to be loud.
@@gablan1468 not need
Dite a Djokovic che i casi di Sinner e Halep non erano gli stessi ,Sinner ha subito dimostrato come era finito nel suo corpo il doping , la Halep ci ha messo 9 mesi,si documenti il signor Goat
Yeah, Sinner and his team had a prepared explanation in case they catch him with prohibited substances. Don't be so naive.
Did the PTPA also adress the rule loophole where Nardi beat Novak by “stopping to play”?Clearly the rules were very unfair and unclear. The Umpire did not understand it at all and Nardi had to be educated by the wise Djokovic at the net. When Kyrgios stopped playing he never got to win. These inconsistencies are ruining the sport.
Djokovic e’ saggio quando gli conviene
A very meandering response from Djokovic. Perhaps he is unwilling to give a direct opinion on the matter.
Sinner and the other Italian player with a similar case have great and smart lawyers...🙄
What do you say ?
Well he was ready with his team of lawyers... That"s speaking something too!!!!!
Of course is dead now ! If was Dokovic. It would be alive for ever . I love double standards for west 😡😡😡
Sinner has showed immediately the reason why he was positive for the 0,0000001. Others didn't!
BS. Preferential treatment.
It's not preferential treatment. Any player has 5 days to appeal against the provisional suspension and that is what they did and were successful. In other cases they didn't do this in time OR the appeal was not accepted. THATS what made the difference for Jannik. Now, maybe the Tribunal itself was held quite quickly whereas other players have waited longer but, again, that was probably because all of the evidence was available.
@@longinusgalaxy411 "he showed immediately" + "Others didn't". What is not clear?
@@CirosanYup! I believe he and his team were prepared for that outcome. The keyword is "prepared".
so this 0.0000001 remained after 8 days as 0.00000000001 and still found, how does it happen scientifically
i feel novak is for jannik but also for other players
Novak legitimately works his butt off to stay healthy and keep playing without putting anything but clean food into his system. So Sinner should be suspended at the very least when it's been found that he doped twice. It's unfair when others work hard to stay fit and he's cheating.
Novak covering his bases
I'm sure Djokovic is using peds of some sort. That doesn't invalidate his comments here though.
Let’s Call it how it is. Media is propping this virtually non-existent and untruthful story. It’s all for clicks , and perhaps even for the sports betting community this might be something to detract them , even if you are not a hard nosed Tennis fan. Real fans know what is going on here …………….
The most important????
Double Standards for Federer Nadal and Sinner
I have not a single doubt that he’s innocent, anyone who looks at one’s true nature probably feels the same.
Players that are whining about discrimination are such pathetic losers (even if I’m somehow wrong).
Bene e con questa Djoko ha dimostrato di essere un vero🤡
Womp womp
Sinner has been cleared..he has paid penalties regulators put on him..time to move on...now onto NY Open...good luck Jannik..
Yes a lot of people need to move on 😅
Preferential treatment
Say that to the players that were banned from playing until their trial came forward bc they couldn’t pay top lawyers
@@stitchy408😂😂😂
🤣😂😆
There is a lot of doping in professional sport.
Can we move from Mr. Gucci’s steroid spray debacle now that Novak has spoken?
Debacle is only in your brain 🤡
Hopefully when they have asked every single player their opinion 🤣
@@duiliorossoni743😂😂😂😂
MrGucciSteroid 😂 love the expression
@@duiliorossoni743 Mr. Gucci will be fine. It’s time to move on. I’m sick of listening to the same thing over and over.
This is so bad for tennis. Sinner made a great sin and should be banned from playing tennis ever again.
The same Novak who got sanctioned by wada
he can go with his loyer in olmpic then wada ban him for four year
When Djokovic took meldonium it was legal. It won him a lot of Grand Slams but it was legal. He’s all about the law is Novak.
Two tiers. One for players like Jannik and then the second tier for no names like Casey Kania. He is a 21-year-old with a career-high doubles ranking of 1,317th and $482 in career tennis earnings. He got 2 years for marijuana.
E’ troppo poco 2anni per marjuana secondo te e’ la stessa cosa
Novak can speak about this all he wants but to be honest, the ITIA isn’t changing any rules for anyone unless an argument about what was unfair in the administration of the rules between Sinner’s case and others case. As far as everyone calling out unfairness, they aren’t helping solve the issue ITIA needs to address other than feelings! The rules are there to read and I want to know what specifically was unfair with the other players as it pertains to the rules?
What kind of tongue-in-cheek double speak is that? "Novak can speak about this all he wants..." is just code for 'his opinion doesn't matter'. Djokovic didn't call a press conference to discuss this matter, he was asked by the press. What was he supposed to say? No comment...
Esatto Djokovic prima di sparare cazzate si dovrebbe informare, io indagherei piu’ su di lui che ha piu’ di37 anni e sembra sempre che in campo stia morendo e poi miracolosamente resuscita e vince , vedi con Musetti e Cerundolo aParigi
Roid rage Sinner will get triple bageled in 1st round of US
Sinner drug himselvez its amazing how people can buy the cream stuff... We Will have a dirty sport cuz of fan boys
this is the most political comment ever
How is asking for consistency political?
@@JamesD-iw6pr I think @yagamurkurnaz1322 means "political" as in "politic" -- that is, diplomatic, measured, meant to calm the waters, rather than roil them.
doprota
what a excuse for massag
What about djokovic lies.about his covid vaccination and deported from australia
Novak is not the person to talk about being far......not with his record.
First
the dust has settled.. nole stirs it up again... one less contender is always better
How can he weigh in on such issues when in fact he plays with the system too? Pretending to have knee problems but moves flawlessly? He's not a cheat a such but plays mind games. I work in health care. Post knee arthroscopies at the very least take 3 months to recover. Even then , they are not back to 100%. Zero respect. Who's he, Clark Kent?
True. It's all acting about the surgery. That's why he's always covering the knee so as not to be exposed.
Stop lying. You don't work in health care. I don't see you crying about Hurkacz who returned to the tour 3 weeks after meniscus surgery. Bitter Nadal fan?
Sospetto che agli US open ne accadranno delle belle , Il caso Sinner è clamoroso per il tennis. Prevedo numerosi ritiri a questo torneo con scuse varie perchè i giocatori temono veri controlli! Non trovate strano che tutti i casi simili a quelli di Sinner siano provocati tutti dalla stessa sostanza contenuta in una pomata o uno spry usato da un massaggiatore idiota? Sottoscrivo in pieno quello dichiarato da Kyrgios , quello che dice il re dei dopati non mi interessa!
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Kyrgios e’ la persona piu’ inetta che esiste come si può dar credito a una persona del genere , un frustrato che non ha mai vinto niente , recordman di racchette spaccate?
@@oscarronca8748 You see, he didn't say anything that bad about your pet, he just said that it's not the same treatment for everyone and that they should have the same opportunity.
Io ti ripeto che i casi sono diversi la Halep non ha subito dimostrato la sua innocenza Sinner invece si . Punto
@@oscarronca8748 Il Caravaggio era un assassino , eppure è il più grande pittore della storia dell'arte . Comunque non ha mai vinto niente perchè sicuramente non si dopa al contrario per esempio di Alcaraz Djokovic e ora .....