Were the Ancient Romans Really Wildly Debauched or Actually Prudes
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I’ve always wondered if the myth of Romulus & Remus being raised by a she-wolf was at all related to the Roman slang of “she-wolf” for a lower-class sex worker.
Good question, i would think there is probability there, while I was unaware of this, before now.
Not sure the Romans would have liked it if their enemies had said "You're all sons of a wh*re!!". Maybe that's why they were so uptight?
Possible, but that particular slang showed up a lot in the ancient world.
They were adopted by a shepherd (I.e. a person of lower status), so that could be connected.
Great question! We are still trying to fully unpack the significance of wolves in roman culture and how exactly different wolf-related elements, from the sacred to the slang, were connected.
Heh, small brain is knowing Simon is a bit tired of Roman history and feeling bad for him, galaxy brain is knowing that Simon is a capitalist and the traffic he gets on Roman videos more than makes up for it.
Man I was really expecting this video to already have 100,000 views by now
No smooth brain here!
@@taylorfusher2997 What are you trying to get at?
Roman history is just that interesting. And I’d love for people two thousand years later to look back on us too.
@@A.Severan Hey future creeps, yeah you! Stop looking at me, you’re making me uncomfortable.
Fantastic and informative video! Perhaps part of the reason why the notion of Roman sexual 'debauchery' became popularized was also due to early Christian influence. The early Christians favored to portray themselves as islands of virtue in a sea of pagan immorality and promiscuity. It feel that the stereotype stuck, and is still seen in Hollywood films, etc.
*Ancient Greek:* "We invented sex!"
*Ancient Roman:* "True, but we introduced it to women!"
🤣 classic
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Both lied
A lot of it depends on the time period as well. The Roman civilization lasted for almost 2,000 years if you count the Eastern Empire, so a lot changed in that time.
While that is true, when we think of the sex practices of Rome, we think of Ancient Rome, before they became christened.
But still, that's almost 1000 years.
@@Tjalve70 Yes, but what about Augustus’ morality laws? His reforms changed Roman society for generations. Of course, Roman values continued to change, but that was my whole point. The Ancient World wasn’t a lot different than our civilization is today in that generations change for better or worse, and the older generation almost always thinks society is crumbling.
@@taylorfusher2997 I’m sorry, but I don’t see what your point is.
@@danieljohnson2005 that's a bot. check other replies/
Oh we always count the Eastern Roman Empire 💜
'Malcom McDowell, also, noted, British person', definitely should have put this on Highlight History😂
Does it even matter which channel anymore lol
More like Lurcio with Frankie Howerd.
I assume he was making a reference toward the Great Expectations episode of South Park.
Hey Simon. You should do a video about morality police in different countries. I think people would find this practice interesting since it’s not a thing in the west.
We have them in the West. They're called politicians.
@@mammajamma4397 politicians bend the knee to the demands of the public...
you think any politician promoting child P would ever be elected?
You left out the Festival of Eros. During this 7-10 day festival orgies were the norm especially for barren couples. The couples would attend as many as they could handle and if the woman fell pregnant it was considered a gift of the gods and raise like a normal child. Obviously we are talking about the lack of children the man's fault and if it was the woman's infertility, well there's always next year.
Are you referring to the Erotidia? I know it had sacrifices, wrestling, boxing, pancratium, horse and chariot races, etc., but I've never heard of orgies as part of the festivities.
Now I'm not disagreeing with you, just that I've never heard about orgies in the context of the festival. Do you have a source so that I can learn more about it?
@@LittleLordFancyLad I learned about it in college. The topic wasn't the parties/orgies per say but a study of fertility and breeding issues of the Greeks and Romans. I guess you could say that it was a form of fertility care today where a doner's material is inserted by a doctor. Oddly in my senior year I had to do a very long paper on so called swinging. Myself and another female student attended a dozen swingers parties at a place called The RETREAT (now closed I believe) and much to our surprise found that it's still being done. As one woman put it, why give some clinic $10 to 20 grand when you can come here, find a couple of men that fit their chosen profile and go for it. She said their first kid was conceived that way and they were there for another. If nothing else if this is not successful then its not the males fault.
@@tplyons5459 Ah, thanks.
There were early Christian cults that were very liberated as, in their eyes, their sins had already been forgiven after Jesus sacrificed himself or they could do whatever as long as they asked for forgiveness before dying. Other early Christians came up with the idea that sex should only be for procreation which sounds like less fun all round.
Christians.. people assuming that they need no morals because the only person they need to please is an imaginary entity..
GOD created sex, humor and beauty.
You shouldn't speak on things you obviously don't know shit about ;)
What were those early Christian cults? Something we could look up and read about?
Early Christians thought the world was going to end. Paul was saying not to Start families. The idea that sex was for procreation came from Augustus Caesar's morality laws. After the world kept not ending, Christians started adhering to Roman morality so as not to look. weird. Polygamy was discouraged for that reason too. It's a lot like how the LDS Church gave itself a squeaky clean makeover.
@@jonathandewberry289 Sure. Try Bart Ehrman's "Lost Christianities." There were many competing sects in early Christianity. Pauline, Hellenized Chrisitianity became "Orthodox," but there were dozens of other sects with other beliefs. The earliest Palestinian cult was Torah observant and thought Jesus was an angel.
Pederasty is so, so disgusting
It's so over the top
their problem was that if a man was attracted to men, the penetrated man would end up being a social outcast. the workaround was to make the penetrated partner a boy. that way he wouldn't have adult social status to lose. society imposed safeguards: it was voluntary; the boy had to be old enough; in exchange the "beloved" would receive an education from his "lover"; most important to the boy's welfare the relationship had to end by the time he reached adulthood.
unacceptable by modern standards for sure. i wonder if anyone has been able to study how much harm it did. but what else could they do given the constraints of their culture?
"Disgusting" is a culturally relative term. The boys were mentored and educated while under the guidance of the elder. They might think we're "disgusting" for not practicing it.
Every culture and civilization sets their own standards. Who are we to judge?
Kids today are being mentored by the internet. I'm not sure that's any better than what the Greeks practiced.
@@Iconoclasher Two wrongs don't make a right. etc etc etc
They would probably say the same thing about you. What you consider to be a child is not necessarily what they would consider to be a child, or even that children were considered any different from adults at all, certainly not in the modern sense.
There are likely a lot of things about modern society that would seem sick and disgusting to them but perfectly normal to you, and vica versa. It all relates to the specific cultural mores in place at any point in time. You can't judge other societies using your societies yardsticks.
I gained a new appreciation for Etruscans today.
Oh I love them
so does that mean the elites were jus rich and powerful people who became….weird
"Were they debauched or prudes?"
Kinda both. To oversimplify things, they (mostly the rich) were neat in the streets yet freaks in the sheets; just don't get caught.
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Another thing Pop Culture has made us think was true of Roman and Greek Ancient Culture was all the swearing and calling people "cocks or c**ts" which was not at all how they spoke. If you've ever seen Rome or Spartacus the TV Shows you'll know "Jupiter's Cock" was favorite in both shows for swearing in Roman, but that was something the writers made up and used to get around the censorship board to let the characters swear like sailors and not be hit with standards and practices limits for excessive swearing.
Haha, I got a kick out of the "Please... we have the internet. And Rule 34."
Those who know, they know. XD
I could have learned more had the speed of speech slowed down from 1,000 MPH
The Etruscans were insanely wild. Did they also practice pedastry? Cause that seems dsturbing enough if anyone can just start getting it on with someone else but jeeze if kids could also get involved...
Things that make you go **shudders**
dude, like.... if you live in modern society the impressions you would get are that we are a very very debauched society, yet that's generally not the case... 900 years in the future, they will have very interesting words to say about how "f-ed" our society was, while simaltaniously being about the same. but our media, and our culture seems to reflect more about the things we find objectionable or have an issue with then what we tend to actually do on a daily basis, you will find a thousand movies about the hero getting a harem of ladies before you find the movie about an every day joe doing every day things.
I'm imagining a future where all that survived is celebrity sex scandals, cheap paperback romance novels, and religious text about how women belong in the home. Those poor confused archeologists 😂
until they get to japan, where it's just pr0n, only pr0n. that and one piece.
humans...
@@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks "We have been able to piece together the epic tale of the god like warrior Saitama and his battles with hulking mythological monsters from fragments of an ancient illustrated text. In the same collection we have found several illustrations depicting teenage girls in various sexual acts, including acts performed with differing forms of sea life."
@@taylorfusher2997 it's called Hellenism... There's a clue. In early Roman times the dominant, most powerful and most wealthy region was the Greeks. The Romans really wanted to look like a civilized society in the same way we might look up to the US today. Many if not all the Roman elite spoke Greek primarily, not Latin. It is then quite understandable that you want to connect your own culture to that of the Greeks.
2pm before Simon shows up in my feed GET IT TOGETHER FACT BOY
UA-cam doesn’t work on your schedule. Calm tf down.
@@PeachM0de it's a joke. YOU calm TF down 🤣
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Lmao
@@Adrian-zd4cs Ooh, watch those capitals! 🧐
Pedastry was common in Sparta yet so many "manly men" love to compare themselves to Spartans 😆
I second this. I read a Greek history book in university and learned that Sparta actually TAXED 💰💸 men who did NOT take a young lover, (a catamite.) The state financially penalized them! 😲🤯
I'll take "You'd never guess what Simon says" for 1000.
"An elite man would never passively bottom."
What did Simon say about the Romans?
1:21 scene is from the 1979 uh...drama...film...”Caligula”. Penthouse founder Bob Guccione was the initial script writer I believe and got plenty of Penthouse models to get involved. It’s a uh...well, you’d have to watch it.
I have decades ago and that was the one and only time. LoL. Yep, gotta see it at least once.
@@Hillbilly001 I endeavor to watch movies at least twice. Once just to experience it, and then a second time to evaluate what I’ve seen; I personally would’ve called it an art film instead of a drama tbh.
Ada Palmer said “Celibacy is the most extreme of sexual perversions”.
Well St Paul was a eunuch, he should have had no say in sex
I think I vomited a little when the topic of kids came up...seriously wtf
I'm really annoyed that your title is just about Rome but then your intro is throwing Greece in, contrary to popular opinion those two subject shouldn't be crammed together, at least not in a video this short.
The books Plato or Paul?: The Origins of Western Homophobia by Theodore W. Jennings Jr and The Classical Origins of Modern Homophobia by Robert H. Allen firmly document how Prudish Ancient Rome was.
The wildly debauched and prudes are sometimes the same people.
A lot of the time lol
if I ever wonder how wild the past was, I just look to the present. the more things changed, the more things stay the same.
",also noted British person."😂🤣
What were they using for lube in ancient Greece? I hope they had something.. olive oil?
Please make lots more videos about ancient Greece and Rome! I love them!!
The book , CASTRATION an abbreviated history of western manhood, by Gary Taylor , is a fun addition to this topic for a look at history usually overlooked.
Do a video on the beds the ancient Romans slept on. From carved stone in stores people just walked into to wooden framed.
Let's keep in mind Spartan women had very different set of rights and lifestyle than, say, Athenian women. In short, it depends.
remember that a lot of what we have left is rumor, innuendo, insults - writings written by opposing politicians and peoples. Their graffiti is practically identical to our graffiti or tweets. The similarity between modern man and the Romans is frankly absurd and deeply humbling. It's entirely possible that Incitatus was not a literal horse, for example, but instead took offense at being called a horseface, or dumb as a horse, or what have you.
With a culture rooted in metaphors relating to books lost to time and a people who when asked what year it is respond with how long ago a politician became the whatever, it's very difficult to say if they were more or less like us. I find it quite likely that we, as humans, bear striking resemblance to them in the majority of aspects.
The Romans we're FAR Greater than people today.... NO ONE today would last in the Ancient World!! So sit down bro!! 🤚
No oral? Seems drab. Am I wrong?
Interested in a discussion on the proper pronunciation of the world "chaste". ; )
British pronunciation, not North American.
I loled when you mentioned internet and especially Rule34. Also, I love the fact you said multiple times "Hellenic" (the true name the current falsely named Greece has) world instead of "Greek" (name which originated from a "tribe" (sorry can't find a better word to describe it) called Grekos but is not how we are actually called).
I don't care about you, or this comment.
1. I care, this was a good comment.
2. Is "Hellenic" really the right name? Or is it just the adjective?
@@Nusma Hellenes, technically.
Edit: that wasn’t clear was it? Ehem.
Yes, Hellenic is the adjective form of the name. Hellenes is the noun form, technically.
It’s impossible for anything to be falsely named, a name is just the thing we call something, if many people call something by one name, then that is its name. First Rome, then Italy. First Londinium, then London. First Persia, then Iran. First Asia Minor then Anatolia then Byzantium then the Ottomans then Turkey. First Gaul then Germania then East Francia then the Holy Roman Empire, then Germany. First Hellas, now Greece. Names change, but what is in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
If you prefer to call it something else that is your prerogative, most countries have different names for things. For example, Germany is actually Deutschland in German, Germany is just what english speakers call it, Japan is Nippon to its native residents, and so on. Someone is not wrong just because their culture calls something a different name than you. And nothing is incorrectly named, just called different things by different people.
It is however true that Greece as a name was originally based on a mistake, its only a mistake until you’ve doubled down on it a million time, at which point it becomes a culture. The same way that a word mispronounced by a sufficiently large group of people becomes a regional dialect or accent rather than a mispronunciation, its all about reaching that critical mass.
Corinthians says, “it’s better to marry than burn with passion.” Not like burn in hell. You guys left out a couple words that totally change the meaning. Just saying
It varies a lot between translations which can really change interpretation. Wycliffe's translation it definitely has more of a burn in hell tone to the chapter and verse.
To be fair the original Greek text just uses the word for burning as well. Nothing about passion. I believe is about as ambiguous in Greek as it is in English too but it's hard to know for sure with ancient Greek. It might have just meant burning back then.
I think Paul's concern was that out of the options available at the time - staying single with unsatisfied desires ("burn"), using prostitoots, raiping slaivs or marriage - he recommended marriage.
correct me if I'm wrong but did Paul even use the term "burn" in reference to consequence of divine judgement? He never made reference to Gehenna.
@@NickSteffen that's where context helps, and why certain verses don't always make sense where they sit in modern rewrites of older translations, unfortunately though my understanding of Greek ancient or modern is limited so I have to rely on translations, translations that are always impacted by the biases of the author and their patrons in the case of say the KJV.
@@MusicalRaichu the problem is that the original text sounds more like "get married or your will burn" as in burn in hell. Instead of "Get married or you will burn with passion" The second one is kind of a weird thing to say.
Ah, Rule 34... the BEST, and WORST, thing about the Internet, lololololololololo!! 🤣
"Why are you eating here, woman?"
I dunno, I like food, piss off?
I would not have lived long in ancient Rome.
I'm not quite ready to accept that account of Etruscan society without some first hand Etruscan sources. That very much sounds like xenophobic propoganda from historical contemporaries.
Ethnocentric thinking Englishman! You will no know unless you were there, but sure study away!
8:33 wait lesbos was a real place and not a south park joke????????????????????????????????????????????????
Simon's beard is becoming magisterial...
Was there ever male on male marriage or I high ranking bringing up the lower rank to an elite
When they dug through the ruins of Pompeii, they found, written on the walls: 'An vere fama susrrat grandia te medii tenta vorare viri.' It's a long, roundabout way of saying 'fellatio.'
Now that I have my housemate well and thoroughly addicted to your videos: "No pressure, Fact Boy!"
I sense you're being not passive.... remember your station, girl 👧💕 😉 😂😂🤣😉✌🏽
@@Aaron-TheHandsome, I'm given to believe that there's only room for ONE hot mess here. Sorry, old bean, but it's been surreal......
@@BaronessErsatz Old as my big bean is😏, it'll take the impertinent taste of youtube commentary defeat out of your mouth 👄👅.... Fact girl!! 👧 😉😉🤣🤣😂👍🏽😎✌🏽
You can thank Christianity for the concept of men sleeping with women not their wives as being equally as wrong as women sleeping with men not their husband.
I am pretty sure there where other religions and cultures which had that idea and isn't just centered around the christian religion
@@miguelatkinson You'd be wrong
@@annoneemoose umm how now ? Like any actual argument or just...
@@miguelatkinson Nope. I've asserted my opinion, I don't care if you change your mind or not. If you're curious look into it, if you're not don't. I'm not writing a thesis to support my statement in youtube comments.
Thanks, Simon. Now my Monday ain't so bad after all. Cheers.
Holy shit, i wanna be an etruscan!
Idk, they could do it with anyone, anywhere, anytime - but because of hierarchy and not taking it from the behind, we are less prudent than them.
I mean... Maybe dependent on your reference population, but I would tend to disagree.
Art being censored. Sickening
Ah, Simon. Making my Monday morning more interesting
This is a long way of saying....
If you have to pronounce a new word so many times at least look it up... Pederasty or paederasty (US: /ˈpɛdəræsti/ or UK: /ˈpiːdəræsti/)
So what you are saying is that is difficult to compare the level of sexuality through time? Why, is almost like sex is not a scale where you go from 0 sex to 100 sex. Wild eh?
You wouldn't be here if they weren't... ^_^
Great so all the tops were in Ancient Rome. That explains a lot about the current state of my Grindr
Sounds like they had a lot of things right
what is rule 34?
Chaste is pronounced chayst. More as in moral is pronounced moray. At least in the US.
A very energetic narration and incredibly interesting. I have the strong impression that this chap is either SAfrican or an extraction of such (Dutch for instance) The "Wallahby" Island pronunciation for Wallaby seems to indicate that. Don't think there could be any more debauchery and criminal intent included in this horror history as nothing has been left for any imagination - too much to envisage or relate to the senses. How did they ever sleep or rest at all ... must have been quivering wrecks !!
Sometimes struggles are exactly what we need in our life. If we were to go through our life without any obstacles, we would be crippled. We would not be as strong as what we could have been. Give every opportunity a chance, leave no room for regrets
Agreed. I most certainly feel like there's a law of diminishing returns premise that applies to this, however. If your whole life is struggle, every minute of every day, eventually, you're fighting a losing battle. Ice skating uphill, if you will... Then, it's time for a change in one's approach (or circumstance.)
"Hello. I'm a brittish person" - Malcolm McDowell, South Park
Read the play " Lysisrata"
ANNDDDDD if you're paying attention, so much of this history is very applicable to the new testament and the things they say about homosexuality. It is important to realize the loving consenting adults that are in same-sex relationship are drastically different than what the bible depicts of homosexuality.
So sad, in 2023 there is rampant blurring of female nipples and both sex's organs when showing works of art in this video.
Some say Sapho invented guitar/lyra pick, before her lyrists used their fingernails
Keep being surprised about how much of the captive prince trilogy takes from history
At the beginning of the video: I believe the answer is both. They were both prudes and randy. I mean that's a lot of history to cover.
wow...just like the older Kray....ref The Movie of the same
I'm curious about something you didn't mention. Was it considered Deviant and passive for an elite Man to have intercourse with a woman on top? As she would more or less be in the "driver's seat" in that position.
It certainly seems analogous to the other "passive" behaviors. I would guess it would be scandalous in the same way.
Read Ovid "The Art of Love". Being ridden is not being dominated. Ovid is a good poet/writer. "Heroides" is a fun read.
@@johanmalm8378 I've read it. And obviously you've never been ridden properly.
😁! I've had most kinds of good times.
11:25 You telling me my dudes couldn't bust? That's an atrocity.
They were debauched in private. What women wear out on the streets today. Would not be acceptable outside of a red light district in ancient Rome.
Control of the rights and freedoms of women was common practice in ancient Rome and Greece, and modern day America.
One of my favorite jokes is "the Greeks invented sex and the Roman figured out you can do it with women"
They were bored is always my guess for why ancient people did the things they did. We have all these things to keep us entertained and still get bored.
Another great report. Today I began thinking about the expression "Ship of fools" (supposedly a ship crewed by the insane) and wondered if there ever really was a ship of fools or even ships of fools?
Allow me to introduce you to, Captain Cook!
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Not to quibble, but I have researched this as best I can, and it would seem that word "chaste" is pronounced with a long"a" sound....the example usually give as sounding like cheyst....
unless this another example of oddball differences between British english and American english......
Any linguists out there have any thoughts on this?
A very interesting video, Mr.Whistler. Thanks!
I'm convinced that Simon chooses to mispronounce one or two word per episode to encourage comments.
I suggest everyone read Catullus.
🤔 is there a rule34 for Simon? I'm afraid to google
yes the llamas never felt safe enough when the legionnaires were marching through
omg a Such a Fast Talker ! thank you for the transcript
Good grief Simon, your pronunciation is getting worse.
Great video. I wonder, if prostitution was legal and regulated, would society see a decline in rape, and sexual assault? I also think the notion of dominant and submissive is still a large part of how society views sexual relations in modern times.
Nope. Women were treated as property, objects. You don't ask an object for consent before using it. Moreover, countries where prostitution is legal see higher rates of trafficking and sexual violence. Prostitution devalues people in the eyes of the consumer. It makes people into objects.
You have to remember that most cases of rape and sexual assault doesn't involve overt violence. It is exceedingly rare that the perpetrator is a stranger. The difference is that when it happens, you hear about it. That's what you see in movies or series. In reality, most of the time the perpetrator is someone the victim knows. And often, it boils down to the rapist - usually a guy - not taking no for an answer or ignoring clear signs of non-verbal refusal. The whole playing-hard-to-get idea makes it even worse.
In addition, you have the issue of martial rape. This has been and still is the most common type of rape. However, in many cultures it is completely legal. Even in countries where it is illegal it is nearly impossible to prove. Historically, women belonged to their husbands. With no right to say no.
So, no. Prostitution doesn't prevent rape. What does help is better laws, clearer legal definitions, better understanding on how people react in a state of panic, and a police force that is properly trained on how to handle a case involving rape. Having specialised teams with all every professional the victim needs also helps.
@@Ikajo marital* rape. In case you aren’t a native English speaker, martial is like combat, martial arts. Marital is related to marriage, or husband and wife. If you are, whoopsies you did a typo.
I’d have to check some numbers to dispute your other points about prostitution because they seem counterintuitive, but many things in modern society are, so I’m not gonna challenge that now.
Not that I think you’re wrong about most of it, I just don’t know any data sets that conclusively prove “rape is more common when prostitution is legal.”
For sure that thing about it normally not being strangers is true, and so is the “hard to get” thing. Also the bits about social support structures and systemic changes being the best way to combat the problem.
Real solid response, generally speaking. It would be better with links to the data you reference.
Got any of them data sets?
@@Ikajo Considering, that rape is more common in most of the developing countries, and prostitution is almost always illegal in these places, while in some of the western countries it is legal to a certain extent, it is 100%, that you are factually wrong in your statement, about the relationship of prostitution and rape. (The other parts of your comment seemed fine).
Just like legalizing drugs leads to decreased drug related violence, and doesn't increase the number of addicts.
Prohibition never ever helped in anything, that is a simple fact, with many historical evidences.
@@demonzabrak UA-cam delete comments with links in them unfortunately. You could read this book though The Pimping of Prostitution - Abolishing the Sex Work Myth.
I also want to point to the Swedish model. In Sweden it is legal to sell sex, but illegal to buy it. As a result, cases of trafficking has gone down. The law also protects the victims while targeting the source. Without buyers, no demand. No demand, no supply. Additionally, law changes has made the definition of rape wider and each instance counts as its own crime.
Then you have the fact that most statistics are incomplete since they are based on reported cases. Over 90% of all sexual assault cases are never reported, more in countries where women's rights are neglected. Instead, surveys and interviews tend to form a better picture.
There is also the fact that a lot of people tend to answer no to the question "Have you been raped?" but answer yes to the question "Have you been forced or pushed into having sex?". Due to common depiction of rape, people don't always realise that a lack of consent is still rape.
When folks say prostitution should be legal, they usually mean it should be legal to buy sex. That doesn't reduce rape. The Swedish model on the other hand has proven effective.
@@fenrirr22 In most developing countries, spousal rape is completely legal and women tend to lack the most basic human rights. Those are the determining factors, not the legal status of prostitution. Add in war and civil unrest. In many developing countries, women are viewed as lesser. As property. With no right to their own body.
Legal prostitution wouldn't do anything for them. All it would do is cause more exploitation. Including from sex tourism. The women wouldn't have any more agency.
High gender equality lowers rape because it gives women rights and agency. Prostitution does not.
How did I not find out The Greatest Beer Run Ever from Simon?
I need sources! I want to read about this.
At least, ancient people weren't arrested for being naked
As with any luxury, it correlates to the available money.
I think the connection between being a lesbian and being a sex worker is still clear today. Bad childhood experiences with men often leads to sex work and disliking serious relationships with men. When I was in college, I was the doorman at a gentleman's club that I wasn't even old enough to have a drink in (you could work in a place that served alcohol at 19 years and a day ... yep, that 1 day actually mattered). Nearly half of the girls who worked there were lesbians. 2 girls even got fired because they had a female pimp who would come every night to make sure they weren't holding out tip money from her.
Being homosexual, which include lesbian, is inborn and has _nothing_ to do with upbringing or life experience. Your comment is both homophobic and sexist.
@@Ikajo so if I come with 5 university studies from universities that you can't into and a couple of friends with similar experiences, you'd still say this? Do me a favor ... shut up.
@@curtism-w6b Ah, so you think personal experience trumps established facts. Alright, here's one for you. I'm literally part of LGBT+ community. There are study after study that prove sexuality isn't chosen nor is it a result of ones upbringing. It is a part of who we are.
You are still a homophobe and a big one at that.
@@Ikajo i do not agree with that . I think being molested as a child by men usually , does lead to hating men in general and then preferring the company of women to feel safe , which leads to intimacy with women too. I think most prostitutes are damaged as children growing up in horrific circumstances , like the sex trades worldwide . And Epstein was a part of this world . I do not doubt we know nothing of what really is happening behind the scenes of those in powerful positions everywhere . It has always been covered up . Hopefully someday women and men will be treated with respect and can hold on to their self respect and dignity . But it really is not looking well for the children of this world who are born into poverty . Too many odds against them with the all to powerful elites.
@@lilaccilla You are conflating trauma with sexuality. Those are not in the same realm of existence. Grow up.
..what if he was the middle man in 3-man BF? LOL...
So Greek and Roman life is just like a/b/o fics
Poor Simon, but at least his little capitalist heart gets to pound 😂
We have internet and rule 34... 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 😆
"what's a pederast Walter?"
I just realized the Pences are Greek.
Paul: the wet blanket of history.
Another excellent video!
But did I hear you call "Caligula" a classic? Gore Vidal said "Caligula" was Latin for "turkey."
It means "small boots"
Before viewing the video, I'm predicting the answer is something like, "some were perverts, some were prudes."
I was half right.