Wheel of Rock - Metallica Albums Tier List (with Mike Portnoy)
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- Опубліковано 31 гру 2023
- Our first episode of our spin-off series Wheel of Rock where we tackle ranking Metallica albums with guest Mike Portnoy.
Panel: Roie, Kyle F, Kyle G, and Vic.
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I love how much of a music nerd Mike Portnoy is beyond being a phenomenal musician. Makes me appreciate him even more.
but his opinion of Load was a bummer
There is NO way Reload is worse than St Anger and LuLu. NO WAY!!
Agreed!!
Agree, they are all dog shite.
Lulu is a good album, just a bit too weird for the usual dorky metal fan
St Anger is their best alongside Justice
Both Load and Relod have gems, the problem is that its 2 albuns that could be only one.
I think the second half of Reload has a lot of hidden gems. Bad Seed, Where the Wild Things Are, Prince Charming, Fixxxer, Carpe Diem...
Front half of Load plus The Outlaw Torn would've made for a perfect album
The last 2 good Metallica albums.
Exactly, there's some brilliant stuff! But I didn't understand this when they came out, I was just a narrow-minded metal teenager 😅
It all changed when my guitar teacher introduced me to Dream Theater... :)
It's ok that these are 2 albums.
Maybe if it was 1 double album it would have been better.
People shit on it for no reason.
I still tend to rank Death Magnetic pretty high. Love that one.
Me fucking too!!!!! As well as Beyond Magnetic
agree
have to listen to the uncompressed version though
I'm with Vic , the house that jack built is one of the coolest song of this album
abso-fucking-lutely
Very underrated song. It would be interesting to have people condense and combine Load and Reload into 1 album and see what songs everyone picked.
💯 Underrated, same with The Outlaw Torn
it's a solid album
half of it is very good
House, Sleeps, King Nothing, Hero, Bleeding Me, Poor Twisted Me, Outlaw Torn
then
Fuel, Memory Remains, Devil's Dance, The Unforgiven II, Low Man's Lyric
I have to disagree, most of Load is actually not good.
OMG. Portnoy explaining which albums he has in his "A" and in his "S" (with the long island accent). Absolute chef's kiss. 🤌
Love this! Doesn't matter if it's the "prog" report - you guys should do wheel of whichever band you all enjoy! So fun to watch. Hope there's more coming soon!
I love that you guys are branching out from prog to hit other bands in different genres. Here are some suggestions,
Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Symphony X, the entire Devin Townsend catalog, take the top 6 albums from the Big 4 and rank em, King Crimson, Frank Zappa, Deep Purple, UFO.
Some great Jazz Fusion artists that have some prog elements as well that coulee be explored.
Cheers, can't wait for the next one.
Great ideas Kyle. Some of those are on the list!
So many prog artists to cover (as you mentioned) and TPR calls Metallica “rock” 🤦♂️… A Frank Zappa Wheels of Prog would be interesting… I think the wheel can’t handle so many albums…
May I add King's X and the Galactic Cowboys.
Zappa's catalog is infested with filler releases @@csantana1971
Anything Symphony X will be embraced with a chef's kiss! The band itself does NOTHING for the fans (2 albums since 2008, no news on SoMe EVER, still no recorded live show or even a crowdfunding campaign, no proper new merch, NOTHING) so getting any SX related content at all is like finding an oasis in a desert :D
22:00 - Am I Evil was NOT on Kill ‘Em All originally. It was a b-side of the Creeping Death picture disk (along with Blitzkrieg). Those were added to Kill ‘Em All for its 1987 reissue (subsequently removed on the 1996 reissue).
Kyle absolutely killed it arguing for Load! It’s not perfect, but its best tracks feel so vital, and have aged really well. Can you imagine ANY other metal band writing a country ballad as heartfelt as Mama Said?
Did you like load when it came out? I really gave them credit at the time for trying other stuff so I kind of liked it. I find that with that initial response I like it less and less over the years. I'm down to 2 songs I think were even good for what they were trying to do.
Mike shaking his head because only his opinion matters apparently
Kinda surprised by Mike's opinion on Load. I was expecting him to praise stuff like Bleeding Me and Outlaw Torn.
Same! Honestly, I think a few of the people here discounted Load before ever giving it a proper chance. It’s hard to go back and listen with fresh ears and expectations.
It is like a Venn Diagramm: they both love Metallica, but age, moment in life, they favorite music style etc. makes everything different and fun. Haha
Mike comments on Killem all comes from discovering the album when it was fresh... For me, I knew the Black Album and a friend showed my Ride... blew my mind.
Bleeding Me, Outlaw Torn & Fixxxer.. wtf Mike 😢
I disappear is the song that triggered the Napster stuff.
I love this era we live in where music legends just casually doing podcasts :)
The Prince. One of the best cover songs of all time, so underrated in the Metallica catalogue!
I cant agree nor disagree. But Thank you Verry much for the recomendation! Bout to check it out
The mix that the AJFA album should’ve had. You can actually hear Jason!
Mike Portnoy participating in every show recently since he rejoined Metallica 😂👍🏻
Another superb show and so good to have Mike present again. With all of the commitments he has, it’s fantastic that he shares any of his down time with us. Love Kyle’s enthusiasm for the Load album 😂
Load and Reload have some good deep cuts like Bleeding Me, Outlaw Torn, Low Man's Lyric and Fixxer. But they're are a lot of filler songs too. You could combine all the good songs from these two and make one high end B tier album. I always came from the mind frame that the only reason people don't like these albums is because it's Metallica and it's not their normal sound. If some new band had made these and sounded more or less the same, people would have had no problems with them.
59:18 Mike Portnoy's Stewie pyjamas reveal
Agree with Mike Portnoy on the S&M. As someone who also listens to classical music, I feel like Michael Kamen composed a totally different piece instead of staying faithful to the motifs of the songs and compliment it. I remember watching it for the first time and it gave me a headache. Like listening to 2 different bands playing at the same time.
As a major Metallica fan from my teens i really liked the approach of the Load album. It has deeper meaning lyrics, great compositions like the house that jack build, bleeding me and the outlaw torn. Also, the production of this album for me is a masterpiece, especially the rhythm guitars which sound so alive and crunchy with perfect amount of distortion.
Only yesterday I was thinking about Disposable Heroes, which came about after watching a Devin Townsend update in which described agonising over writing lyrics which got me thinking, "which tracks do I hold In high regard for their lyrical content?" Disposable heroes came to mind straight away, even the title itself is strong.
You need to have Mike back to do the Megadeth wheel!
The Metallica+Megadeth album tier list has everything by Metallica in D
The wheel of Megadeth can't be rid they said, and if it comes the living will envy the dead.
Ha! Mike, the reactions (thumbs up, fireworks, etc) are from your camera settings in MacOS. You can turn the auto reactions off.
I have never seen those before! lol. I kept thinking Roie did it.
Without those funny moments of confusion, this video wouldn't have been elevated to S tier.
@@YesOkayButWhy Ah man. Thanks for saying that. I don't know if I'd rank it in S Tier, but it's definitely the most fun I've had filming a podcast. And, to be clear, I'm always just joking with the other guys (and myself). We've been good buds for nearly a decade and this podcast filming came after a good week or two of arguing behind the scenes about our favorite (and least favorite) Metallica albums. The intended spirit of these podcasts is to be competitive and opinionated, but it's all supposed to be in good fun. Thanks for watching and I hope you come back!
@@KyleFagala
✌🏻❤
Man! I had so much fun listening/watching this episode of wheel of ROCK lol
I think you guys nailed the the list!
For me, and I'm almost Kyle's age, the video for One was embedded in my brain as a 5 year old when it aired on MTv and I never forgot how dark it was... years later when I was fully capable of appreciating music, I listened to Load and it marked me, but through the force of nature I discovered their 80s albums and felt like I had found pure gold! So even if I was in my teens by then listening to a decade old music I knew that was Metallica's best music ever
As always, an awesome watch!!! ❤
I need a video on Black Sabbaths catalog! Thanks for sharing, loved yo see Portnoy back on the show!
Great show, gentlemen! Great to see Mr. Portnoy on TPR and Sea of Tranquility.
Th song sequencing on side one of Ride is absolutely brilliant Awesome show guys!
Great one, I have enjoyed watching every minute of it. I would love to see Riverside albums tier list!
This was fun. Great show, guys👍🏻!
Great video! I would love to see this for Riverside, but I understand about them maybe not having enough material yet
Fantastic video guys. I haven't watched a 100min UA-cam video in a very long time but I was hooked on this. Very knowledgeable men talking about the greatest metal band of all time. Addictive viewing. I'm off to listen to all 14 albums back to back. 😂
Prog channel, AJFA at #1, calling it. As it should be. Very interested to see where the post-03 material ends up.
Excellent episode, always great to hear inside baseball from Mike Portnoy.
Considering you started with Metallica I think you should go onto Megadeth
Hear Hear!! 🤘🤘🤘
There were at least few epic albums that came out in 1997. Children of Bodom's debut "Something Wild" and Symphony X's "The Divine Wings of Tragedy" 😄
both incredible albums
Of Wolf and Man and My Friend of Misery are my faves from the Black album.
If S&M is included because the previously unreleased tracks, Beyond Magnetic EP should have been included. 😉
I agree. There’s some bangers on that EP
Them 4 songs would probably make the top 6 of death magnetic I don’t have a clue why they didn’t put them in
Im listening to this yet, but the dude saying that death magnetic with Rick rubin was good for audiophiles... What? The album is nearly meme material because the original release is almost inaudible.
Great, loved watching this🤘. And MP... So cool. Thank you guys.
Well... I'm not a big Metallica fan. But I like Load and Reload 😂
36:12 bro I never thought Portnoy would go so hard on Load😂
I was surprised he didn’t like it. 🤷🏼♂️
Not surprised Load and Reload were rated so low.
They are criminally underrated, mostly by purists or people who "felt betrayed".
It's more authentic then anything they released after 2000.
Death Magnetic is good
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All the post Lulu stuff really sound and feel forced.
The fans gave them so much shit so they tried to make something to please the fans, but they can't. It's not who they are anymore. It's not authentic at all.
As much as I hate them, they're definitely better quality albums and more organic sounding than anything they've made since.
I severely disagree on puting S&M that low.
This is a live album and in my mind, quite separate from the bullshit released on the 90's (load and reload), and this album has (in my opinion) the best version of a lot of classics of the band (One and For whom the bell tolls included).
For whom the bell tolls in this album is just incredible.
It has the best guitar distortion of their career, all of them on their peak (phisically speaking) and James singing was on another level.
Mike has a good point though....more technical view perhaps.....but the orchaestration is part of the equation, not everything.
For me is S tier.
Easily S Tier
Yeah S&M is amazing, genuinely think it's the best the band ever sounded. Also the 2 originals are absolute stormers and should be played more.
no doubt
S -tier
one of the greatest live albums ever
Load and reload are not bullshit jackass
It really belongs in T tier, just like the part 2. T for TRASH.
I think load/reload can be made into 1 amazing album , same with hardwired/seasons. Top under appreciated Songs for me from those albums are outlaw torn, bleeding me, fixxxer, where the wild things are, Inamorata and spit out the bone.
My tiers below:
S - Justice, Puppets, Lightning
A - Magnetic, Kill ‘em all, Black
B - S&M, Load, Seasons
C - Garage, Hardwired, Re-Load
D - St Anger, Lulu
So cool to see Mike hanging out with these guys!
Liked this episode! I never got into post-black-album Metallica, but the first five will always be metal favorites of mine, with Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets being tied as my top favs. I think the next logical band for a metal episode would be Iron Maiden. Cheers!
i remember they uploaded the version of Dead Magnetic with the "good mastering" in Myspace first, that's the one i listen to too!
Hell yea let's get portnoy back for a megadeth wheel next .
I was/am one of those, that when the news broke, was pumped as hell. DT needs Mike Portnoy!!! Thank God it came to life!!!
Had a great time watching the vídeo, congrats guys!
My personal ranking would be:
S: Ride, Puppets, Justice
A: Kill em All, Black Album,
B: Death Magnetic, Garage, Hardwired
C: Load, 72 Seasons
D: Reload, St Anger, Lulu
The ...and Justice for Jason version of AJFA is definitely S tier.
Im with Kyle on Load and Re-load, but then I was also a similar age... interesting AJFA was my first encounter with Metallica and then followed swiflty by Load and Reload.... sure they we're very different sounds but at the time... i didnt care... I just thought these guys are so cool... I loved it all.
Srsly happy to have found your podcast - MP is a legend and I’m so happy he’s back with Dream Theater!!!
Loving this, got yourself a new fan. Please keep up the good work 🎉
Welcome! Thanks.
My list (just the main discography)
S: Master, Ride, Justice
A: Kill, Magnetic, Metallica
B: Load, Hardwired
D: Anger, Reload, 72 Seasons
I'm with Kyle, I love Load and I would easily put in A tier.
I Disappear from Mission Impossible 2 was the Napster leak /m\ . Good as always.
Yep. You’re right!
I had sooo much bootlegs and lost it
Does anyone else really wish they’d release the wheel episodes on the podcast feed? I often use tools to download and convert the videos to audio files and handle it myself but most people are not willing to go through all that effort.
That subtle dig at Falling Into Infinity from Mike Portnoy was funny; some things never change!
A daily dose of eMpTyV... Hahaha
Love the album.
Pete Pardo and Martin Popoff did a great show about changing your favorite because going back the other one sounded fresher...that was me with Ride. It was puppets for me for years.
Puppets essentially is a "sequel" to Ride the Lightening... But with drier production, less vocal range, and more repetitive and drawn out arrangements.... Also, 1984 was just before Metal really went big. By 1986 the climate has changed enough for a band like Metallica to get more popular, but in the process the first two albums kind of got buried for a while.
Yes, thanks for mentioning the "loudness" problem on Death Magnetic. The vinyl sounds better but it is still not where it should be. Wish they'd remaster this one.
The best part of this video is the Portnoy special FX mystery being solved just in time.
LOL. Totally!
This is the last hurrah (and album/tour). It's definitely gonna be a go big or go home kit.
It makes me extremely happy to see Death Magnetic ranked as highly as it is.
Bleeding Me... Outlaw Torn... Fixxxer .. Prince charming
I was 17 and working on a house (our house) and this 18 year old from my dad’s friend and he put on a master of puppets cassette. I was floored. I was like … finally done great heavy stuff. It came at the hieght of glam and I was going back In time looking for great music. To me master came out and saved modern music then Janes addiction live xxx album in 87’ and appetite came out in 87’. Hard rock was saved by those three to me. Then dirty ass grunge came in 89’. I went opposite of progressive. I wanted simple and wild.
Death put out Symbolic in 95 and The Sound of Perseverance in 98 their 2 best albums so not every metalband sucked in the late 90s. Obviously not too high profile compared to your Metallicas and Megadeths
That wheel looks like a clickable banner ad from the nineties. And it even spins like it’s coming over a dial up modem.
Sorry Netflix cut our special effects budget.
lol. Please find us a better wheel and we will use it!
We need a wheel of metal !!
I'm going to have to disagree with Mike here, Falling Into Infinity is from 97 and is a top tier album. Love you MP ❤
They didn't like making it- living that is probably why, the album and more over, the demos reflect that band doing it's best song writing- maybe not the heaviest or most technical side of the band, but songs..
PLEASE do a Megadeth list. Id love to see all the different takes on all the crazy directions Megadeth has gone.
Also really would love to see a Symphony X list. Another band with a super varied catalogue.
I’m hoping to convince the crew on Megadeth!
Load is a masterpiece and reload follows behind... Melodies, solos, atmosphere, different exciting times...
Nice!
So glad Mike isn't a wimp who is too afraid to give an honest review of an album from another band. He's a great guest on here.
Mike is the best podcast guest of all time. Zero ego and a huge fan at his core.
They only have 4 albums (and a worthy ep), but I cannot recommend Oceansize enough. They definitely deserve more praise and recognition.
Agreed I absolutely love Oceansize! Frames is one of my all time fav albums.
That last album killed Oceanside, it wasn't nearly as good as Frames, and I'm not surprised they broke up after that.
@@jimmypage2843 yeah Self Preserved wasn’t as good as the previous ones that’s for sure. Still some cool tracks though.
Yeah, I still listen to the first album regularly. You Wish is such a killer track.
S - Black, Master, S&M
A - Death Magnetic, Justice, Ride
B - Kiill 'Em All, Load
C - Garage, Reload
D - Lulu, St. Anger, Lux, Hardwired
yes, you MUST listen to the uncompressed version of Death Magnetic
yes! that mastery is tops, must must listen to it, guys!
wow, you guys who feel S&M is disconnected from the music, that's wild
I LOVE IT, and think it is one of the greatest live albums ever
the orchestration is great
Through the Never is sneaky one of their best songs
You should check out my re-record of St. Anger 😊 but this was a good listen guys!
Mike P and KG are the only ones with any brains on this thing.
We agree! 😂
Man, Like his great drumming, Mike has a great taste of music! Cant agree more.
Love that Death Magnetic is finally getting it's love, it's A for sure, for me personally it's an S.
This is a perfect tier list! 🤘
Now we need a Megadeth one, and THEN a Metallica vs Megadeth one. (which would probably take 3.5 hours..)
I love St. Anger. I get all the arguments, but I love the songs. The lyrics and the music compliment each other perfectly. The song St. Anger is perfect!
Great work! Do Tull next!!!!!
Lulu should be considered the worst album of all time.
It’s up there for me. Certainly by a band of Metallica’s status.
i think the napster debacle actually started with the mission impossible soundtrack / i disappear.
You're right. We misspoke.
Where can I find that remixed version of death magnetic that Mike talked about????
Google 'Death Magnetic GH3'
Agree but I would rank Black Album on S and 72 seasons on D. The first half of Hardwired is A.
There is definitely a line of demarcation for Metallica and I'm in the Mike Portnoy camp. Being older, and having seen Metallica live in 1985 and many times later, load and reload was an off ramp for me from Metallica. It felt like a couple of big fuck yous to their longtime fans. When kill em all came out, it was one of a kind. The rawness of it was part of it's charm. Ride the lightning was a continuation with better production. Master of puppets was somewhat evolutionary and still great. All three were God tier. And justice for all would be s tier if Lars hadn't done Jayson a disservice by almost mixing out the bass, and compared to what was coming next, the black album was good in retrospect.
The Napster thing started with the leaked release of I Disapear from the Mission Impossible 2 soundtrack.
"only 3 albums per tier" or not, all of the 80s stuff is S-tier compared to most of latter outputs, tbh. Intrigued to see where Death Magnetic lands!
If this was a Maiden episode, every nerd out there would be fighting at what order all albums would be at S tier. We love Metallica, they are the kings of metal, but we do know they can suck big time as well lol. Awesome show, guys.
Welcome back to dream theatre Mike 🤟😎
Please, I think you are the best people to do it, and consider it: DT's tier list of albums without him.
We did DT a few months ago.
@@progreport Yes I know, I saw it, but I meant an episode where Mike makes his Mangini era list. I expressed myself wrong, sorry 😄
@@Relocrian Oh, gotcha. Doubtful :)
@@progreport Probably, but I think you are the only ones capable of convincing Mike to comment on which track he likes the most from each of those albums. There are songs that DT will play live from the non-portnoy era and he will have to learn them. Just a thought 😉
@@RelocrianHe doesn't have to. They may have to leave quite a few songs out or bring a totally new life to them (which might serve them well)
I think Disc 1 of Garage Inc. is possibly their best sounding mix for me, as a guitar guy.
Justice for ....And Justice!!! And some Of Wolf and Man love....nice!
If Load and Reload was made by any other band in the 90’s, it would get far more love. Even a first or sophomore release for a new band, it would be considered amazing. I think it would have made a much better solo album.
Also, I don’t get why people include Lulu. It is not a metallica album! It’s a collaboration with Lou Reed. It stands on its own as a pile of crap.
I loved this though!
Reload is D really? I love it so much😢
Trapped under Ice is my fav tune by them :)
This was fun. St. Anger brought me back to Metallica after L and RL. For me the ranking is:
S: MOP, RTL, AJFA and DM
A: KEA, HW and 72. Also original GD EP
B: Black
C: St. Anger, S&M
D: L, RL and Lulu
Well... Now you gotta do Megadeth!!!
I love s&m but im a band nerd. And love michael kamen.
I almost gave up on Metalica until they HAPPILY surprised me with Death Magnetic. They should work with Rick Rubin again