Another thing I’ve just realised. In season 5 Mace Windu implies that if Ahsoka returned to the order she would be made a Jedi Knight, therefore making Anakin a Jedi Master. Anakin succeeded in training Ahsoka to the point where the council would have knighted her, so the council could have technically still made him a master. But in the original timeline them not making him a master makes so much more sense because he had only been a Jedi Knight for 6 months and had never trained a Padawan prior to Revenge of the Sith.
Why would promoting Ahsoka also mean that Anakin, her master, gets a promotion? They would just both be Jedi Knights. Mace Windu would never grant Anakin the rank of master.
@@FriendlyDarkwraith a knight who successfully trains a Padawan to knighthood usually receives a promotion to Jedi Master as well. Obi-Wan was promoted to the rank of master upon Anakin’s own promotion. Also Quinlan Vos and Aayla Secura, once master and apprentice, were simultaneously promoted to the ranks of Jedi Master and Jedi Knight respectively.
@@ariesstorm9577 Sure, but Obi-Wan was already on the verge of being promoted before Qui-Gon's death. Becoming a Jedi Knight was a requirement for him to take Anakin as his student as per Qui-Gon's dying wish, but he was already ready to take the trials. And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Obi-Wan already a Jedi Master in AotC, before Anakin became a Jedi Knight?
@@FriendlyDarkwraithI think the way Jocasta nu treated obi wan implies he was a Jedi knight Because him questioning of the archives hints that he couldn't go through all the Jedi archives that some require master rank to allow learning
Anakin and Ahsoka literally met a few hours before Revenge of the Sith started, and yet, during the movie Anakin doesn't seem worried about his Padawan being on the other side of the Galaxy risking her life, he doesn't even mention her. But sure, TCW fits perfectly with the Prequels, right?
This is what I hated about Ahsoka in 2008, back when I was reading the Revenge of the Sith novel over and over, in that she conflicts with the previously established and far superior Clone Wars multimedia project. She isn't mentioned in the novel and I think to try and shoehorn Anakin into having an apprentice seriously undercuts the tension and mistrust present between him and the Council. It's a complete failure to understand Star Wars. But Dave Filoni "gets it," I hear, more than anyone else at Disney Star Wars? Fah. Dave Filoni paved the way to Disney Star Wars. End of story.
@@saberiandream316 It wasn't superior at all. It doesn't undercut the tension or mistrust at all. No it isn't at all. No he didn't, he improved Star Wars.
@@Jdudec367 With TCW, Filoni grossly misrepresents Dathomir. He treats the Nightsisters as the ONLY Dathomir witches, when there were plenty of _other_ witch clans that did NOT use the dark side. He's still doing it to this day, as shown by the recent Ahsoka episode, so you CANNOT blame George Lucas, like the Filoni cult does. George admits he hasn't read most of the EU, so WHO is the one who's adding all this EU shit and getting it wrong? With how often Filoni has claimed to be an EU fan, it stands to reason it HAS to be him. The man is full of hot air. All surface, no substance.
@@saberiandream316 No he didn't. No he doesn't, well there was a big reboot going on when it came to legends canon and TCW so...yeah makes sense. No he isn't. Filoni isn't, the EU stuff already contradicts itself and can't all be canon. It isn't him. He isn't full of hot air. Nah he has substance too.
6:27 - 6:46 That's actually framing by filoni, the show clearly wants you to take her side in whatever matter/situation she's in. Anakin and Obi-Wan have committed countless war crimes themselves, while not being characterized as being disrespectful towards the sanctity of a ceasefire. It's like if George had AOTC actively take Anakin's side despite his questionable decisions, minus the Tusken raider part considering the fact they're savages.
You know, it's ironic, that for as much as the Republic WINS the war, and is rarely if ever shown losing, that you'd think that's even MORE reason to act urgently to stop the invasion of Coruscant, given that as framed in the context of the show, it could just be a last, desperate gasp to get the edge over their enemy who has outwitted them at every turn. Plus, it's literally not politics when the Jedi were SHOWN that they obey the laws of the Senate, and the Chancellor is _President of the Senate..._ God, why the hell do people even like Ahsoka? Low standards is a plague on this fandom...
The Siege of Mandalore arc suffered from contradictions that was established in the Ahsoka novel. If only Dave Filoni either read the novel or used Wookieepedia and took notes, but he doesn't seem to care about contradictions and only cares about his own work. Also, Ahsoka taking out thugs, Mandos, and her own clones is laughably impossible, like Mary Sue level that would give Rey a run for her money. If experienced Jedi like Ki-Adi-Mundi or Aayla Secura couldn't survive Order 66 but a 17 year old Ahsoka could, we have problems. Maul could've taken her out since he was Sidious' apprentice before his defeat on Naboo. I've been hearing people saying "AhSoKa WaS tRaInEd By AnAkIn" which is not much of an excuse.
Plus, she gets her own clone regiment. Why the fuck does this ex-Jedi who's now a CIVILIAN get her own damn clone regiment? In Rebels, she still has a lightsaber and can use the Force, even though she left the way of the Jedi behind. In BOBF, she's extolling the values of the Jedi, preaching against attachment. WHY the hell should she care about what the Jedi thought when she's no longer a Jedi?! Oh wait, because Filoni nixed her love interest (see what I did there?) in TCW Season 7 and wants to use her as a bridge to build the sequels, lol. People need to stop treating Filoni as some great hero who's going to retcon the sequels and restore Legends. That's just a lie perpetuated by clickbait UA-camrs who refuse to stop simping for the overrated cowboy. SMH
@@saberiandream316 Because she still has experience as a jedi. She became a grey jedi. Because she still values and respects them even if she is no longer a traditional jedi. No that isn't what he did at all and he isn't building a sequel and even if he was that is not why he did that.
Changes I would have made to TCW as a whole: • make Ahsoka the Padawan of Plo Koon (a universal opinion shared by a few I think) • not bring back Darth Maul, but still have Savage Opress as a new big bad villain to be the rival of Obi-Wan instead of Grievous • not have Anakin and Dooku cross blades until revenge of the Sith (plenty of other Jedi for Dooku to duel in the war); that is what Asajj is for • actually bring the Dark Acolytes from the comics onto the screen, which would serve as proto-Inquisitors of the Galactic Empire (maybe even have a couple serve as first generation Inquisitors when the Galactic Empire is established; Anakin goes from fighting them to being in control of them once he becomes Darth Vader). I hate that the Inquisitors are just there in the comics straight after revenge of the Sith as if they had always been around. In my head canon Asajj Ventress is actually half Dathomirian and half Rattataki, her mother having had an affair with a Rattataki warlord while on a mission and the reason why a bounty hunter comes to Dathomir to take her back to her father in exchange for keeping the Nightsister’s honour intact. They return to Rattatak where the Hal’sted adopts her when her father and his family are killed.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 and since TCW retcons deaths so flamboyantly, they could easily retcon Sev’rance Tann’s death and she could replace Grievous’ role in the series. Also the Dark Acolytes should have been a thing in the series, so that by the war’s end the people could scarcely tell the difference between the good Jedi and the bad Jedi, to them they are all to blame for the war
Bringing back Maul was fine for me. When I saw episode 1, I thought "you could survive being cut at the waist by a lightsaber". So when I saw they brought him back, I was happy to be right. Besides, they did improve his character significantly, so its not a huge blow to canon.
Ahsoka: reflects shits that kills clones, and releases maul and tells him “do what you do” (aka go kill the clones” 1episode later: their good soldiers I am not going to kill them Too late for that since she’s the cause most of them are dead and just reflected shots at their face
I’m posting this comment before watching the whole video, so it might mention some things the video mentions. Here we are, The Siege of Mandalore arc. It’s perhaps one of, if not, the worst retcons in disney canon. The choice to have Order 66 be initiated in the Star Destroyer was the cause of the many problems that exist with Filoni’s retcons, which include but is not limited to Ahsoka’s questionable decisions. First off, it SIGNIFICANTLY decreases Ahsoka’s chances of making it out of Order 66 intact, let alone alive. That and no amount of retconned in training will excuse it. Training which, BTW, only serves to make me question Filoni’s writing skills. The fact Ahsoka was specifically trained for the same exact situation she found herself in was UNBELIEVABLY and impossibly convenient, it’s as convenient as Anakin being specifically trained to counter Obi-Wan’s strike that resulted in him losing the rest of his limbs, being burned alive, and as result, losing most of his potential in the force. I can forgive that if it weren’t for the stupid decision to have Order 66 happen in the Star Destroyer. Originally, in the Ahsoka Tano Novel, Order 66 happened while Ahsoka was STILL in Mandalore. She and Rex, who had already removed his INhIbiTor ChIP BEFORE the siege, managed to fake their deaths and escape. Maul also used this distraction to his advantage to escape after having been caught in a ray shield. Filoni’s retcon on the other hand, needlessly brought about extensive damage to the arc by having Ahsoka pretend to be all high and mighty when she pretends to not be the cause of the deaths of Jessie and countless other Clone Troopers. That’s despite the fact she willingly let Maul escape and cause the Star Destroyer to crash, knowing full well that he would do such a thing without restraining him in the least. That’s evident from the line: “Now go cause some chaos, it’s what you’re good at.” Moving on, the choice to not have Rex already remove his INhIbiTor ChIP is a weird one, considering the fact he was supposedly told of their existence by Fives. That results in the scene in which Fives reportedly shares that highly-guarded secret being made completely pointless. That choice was clearly made to have Ahsoka, being the high and mighty mary sue that she was, remove the INhIbiTor ChIP for him. I remember reading a comment the other day where it talked about Ahsoka and Maul being able to put everyone else on-board the Star Destroyer into a trance of some kind, and then individually remove the INhIbiTor ChIPs of each Clone Trooper. Instead, they went with making her look high and mighty despite her questionable actions and what they entail. Thirdly, it makes Maul look like a wimp compared to Ahsoka. Obi-Wan in his PRIME, mind you, had a hard time against Maul, but Ahsoka didn’t even struggle the least bit when it came to fighting Maul directly. She was even mocking and making fun of him by saying something along the lines of: “You’re lucky my master didn’t come, he’d have wiped the floor with you”. Now, keep in mind that Ahsoka was only a PADAWAN who wasn’t even close to being promoted to Jedi Knight and was only offered a promotion as compensation (which doesn’t make sense since Ahsoka’s actions only served to incriminate her in THAT arc). That fight would’ve and should’ve been more of a challenge for Ahsoka. Everything is yet again, written to make Ahsoka seem more prominent than she should be, which results in her unnecessarily overshadowing and outshining other characters.
In all honesty. If the inhibitor chips were a plot device to allow Filoni to keep his fav clones alive. He should've just had all his faves be ARC Troopers and Commandos because they had more personality and individuality than standard troops and upon recollection a lot of the clones that didn't follow through with Order 66 were those rather than rank in file troops. And the ones who did who still followed through legitimately either despised Jedi, perceived betrayal, or were just following the order because the contingency Edit: Also Screw the "I can't kill my own troops" melodrama. No other Jedi who survived the initial call and onslaught had a problem killing the clones. But Ashoka does because she's the only "good" Jedi
Er, actually, Jedi Master Shryne took issues with it. However, that was also during the final days of the Clone Wars when they felt it could be a Separatist deception. Once the war was over, they did what they had to do. Shryne still wasn't happy about it, though.
I pretty much prefer the Legends-version of Order 66, cause many if not most clones knew the endgame of the Clone Wars. Clones from the 501st described their experience during the Clone Wars and Order 66 in their journals in "Star Wars: Battlefront 2" from 2005. And I think that makes it just as tragic as their Canon counterparts and that's why I pretty much enjoy it. They were always loyal to Palpatine and the republic, not the jedi, even after 3 whole years. They knew about Order 66 all along and they went along with it, even in the prequels it is shown or at least hinted: - When Cody is informed of Order 66 by Darth Sidious, he says to the AT-TE to "blast him" referring to Obi-Wan scaling the cliff off to the side of the battle, that gun/AT-TE fires almost instantly after the order is given. It's already pointed in the direction of Obi-Wan and only needs to adjust slightly for elevation, it's aiming way off away from the battle, pointing at a bare cliff face only Obi-Wan is in that area. That gun was tracking Obi-Wan since he departed from Cody and his men, waiting for the signal "Blast him" which is so casually delivered by Cody. - When Yoda is attacked by Commander Gree and a scout trooper on Kashyyyk, Gree is off at the back and recieved a communique from Sidious and addresses him literally by his Sith name (just as Cody does), not as "Chancellor Palpatine". He then walks up to the scout trooper that stood right behind Yoda and nods at him. The scout trooper is not given a communique, he would've been overheard by Yoda if he had been given one, the scout trooper is given no order by Gree, who did receive the communique, he's just given a nod. A signal, a que. Like they were briefed beforehand and the scout trooper was standing in position, waiting for the moment to take the shot, just waiting for the nod. It is just dark if you look at it that way... - Same as the Jedi on the speeder bike: the two (I believe) 91st Recon troopers on bikes accompanying her, look over to each other and nod like "Yep, I got the call. Let's do it". If they were inhibitor-chips, each clone would receive the order through their helmet and just act right there and then, not pre-plan and co-ordinate and nod to each other in a scheming way. - And Commander Bacara and his troops approached Ki Adi Mundi on Mygeeto and prepared to fire before they all took the shot at the same time. Bacara had probably already received the order beforehand and was probably waiting for the right moment. Also, in Battlefront 2, one of the clones said in his journals "Keeping Mundi in the dark wasn't easy". - And Commander Bly on Felucia probably received Order 66 beforehand as well and was waiting at the right moment before he and his men shot Aayla Secura. In "Battlefront 2", one of the clones reports about her death in his journals "General Secura wanted to make point of seeing us all off personally, said we were the best damn soldiers she'd ever fought with, it was a good thing we were all wearing helmets... Because none of us could bear to look her in the eye... And as much as I think the clones knew in the CWMMP, through the final stages of the war, the last few months. I think they knew. A darker plot to the inhibitor-chips of the new Canon.
Lovely the final season of your Clone Wars review, I want to say I've enjoyed watching your previous season reviews. And I'm glad that I came across your channel, you have truly earned my respect with your honest reviews and your passion when it comes to Star Wars. I've also really enjoyed your reviews of the old EU. I'll continue watching your content with great interest. Keep up the good work mate and again thank you.
I just find it hilarious that....the Clone Wars MULTI-MEDIA Project, which encompasses various novels, comics, games and its own show, actually flows better as a timeline for the Clone Wars and fits seemingly like a glove into the PT, this all the way back in 2003. Like you know how much of a challenge that would be across several different media platforms? Compared to a singular show, which should be easier to do? But no....the SINGLE show fails at being connective tissue, compared to the MULTIPLE MEDIA.
59:53 To be fair Maul before Darth Plaguies retconned it was actually knowledgeable of the grand plan at least to an extent he was his apprentice legitimately and someone Palpatine admitted he rarely lied to because he was that loyal. He should be considering Dooku knew as well
I myself have made a list of things that I would change in my own version of the clone wars show. For example making Ahsoka Plo Koon's padawan instead of Anakin's and also Ahsoka, Anakin and Bariss having roughly the same age.
@@lukescrew1981 Mostly based on the pre-TCW timeline for the EU. Plo Koon became a member of the Jedi Council about 12 years before Episode 1. The only apprentice I knew he had was a Jedi named Bultar Swan, whose master had died in the line of duty a year prior to the movie.
@@ximthedespot4673 actually having Bultar Swan being Ahsoka’s master might also have worked actually. She was well known for having never taken a life, always incapacitating her enemies. Having her and Ahsoka as master and apprentice would have been like the dynamic between Obi-Wan and Anakin, the more reserved teacher being exasperated with the much more gun-ho and headstrong student.
@@ximthedespot4673 Plo Koon became a member of the council in 44 BBY, replacing his former master Tyvokka. He took over the training of Bultar Swan in 33 BBY when her master, fellow council member Micah Giiett, was killed during the Yinchorri Crisis. I don’t know how old Bultar Swan was when this occurred or when she was knighted.
I don't like filoni clone wars because how lighthearted family friendly watered down censored and pg it's I don't like how the force is just a plot armor for filoni I don't how every jedi master seem to fight the same way as the others there are barely any display of the lightsaber forms, dooku also was skilled in all forms not just makashi, like Dave filoni made him in those shows, ashoka tano don't fit with George Lucas canon continuity, the animation movements looks stiff clunky and slow, the 2003 clone wars fit George Lucas canon continuity better than those series and the clone wars eu comics are far better written
Filoni uses George to shy away from his rightful roasting, but just because George let him do whatever he wanted doesn't mean he should be let off the hook. He's still doing that even now.
The final review for TCW! I really can't wait for your thoughts on Rebels. I remember hearing about the Bad Batch years ago as a concept when TCW got cancelled. They sounded like a cool concept. The problem with streaming shows is they generally have very few episodes. vs TCW back in the day have 20+ episodes each season like older tv shows used to have. Tbh JJ I'd actually love to see you review Dark Disciple. I'd pay you to review it. The martez sister's arc was so mehhhhhhhhh..... Siege of Mandalore was the highlight but overall the season was way too short.
I was okay with Ashoka for most of the clone wars but at S7 i staght up hated her. When Anakin sees her for the first time after she left the order, you can see this visible joy in his eyes. And it makes sense why he would be happy, he's seeing his little sister after so long, and considering she's made some powerful enemies through out the war and now she's alone and without a light saber she's incredibly vulnerable. So seeing her safe and sound will naturally bring Anakin joy. And what about her? Was she relieved that despite putting his life on the line in every mission, Anakin is still alive and well? Nope, she barely glances at him and moves on with the conversation. If she treated Obi Wan or literally any other jedi this way it would make some level of sense, she felt betrayed by the order. BUT ANAKIN?!! She was indifferent to him. I hated her from then on. Then Tales of Jedi came out. I was excited over it, i thought just like the Clone Wars explored on the clones, Tales of Jedi will explore on the Jedi, we will see more than just Anakin and ObiWan. Then the first episode was about baby Ashoka. Why? Which Ashoka fan was up at night wondering what she was like as an infant? It adds nothing to her character or story. They could have explored on jedi like Plo Koon or someone else. But nope, lets waste this opportunity, money and time to tell a story no one wanted.
I was watching captain ford's video on the subject with a time-line to see the insane damage. It's insane how much Dave filoni butchered the starwars time line especially the clone wars multimedia project
Ahsoka has plot armor so think and indestructible that I am convinced if The Star Wars Universe itself was to explode Ahsoka would survive completely unscathed
I do really hate the Bad Batch, they are nothing but discount Delta Squad that are stereotypical archetypes. The only I like about them is their armor, that is all. Also I know Anaxes is in the Core Regions. But since this is Disney Canon, it is now retconned to be in the Outer Rim which is pretty stupid. Another nitpick is that the 91st Reconnaissance Core are completely different then what they see and I don’t think they are Mace’s clone. I know Mace Windu has the 187th Legion as his clone region in the Old EU.
One thing no one ever points out either is that the animation for TCW, bad batch and rebels is god awful, yeah they are children's show but just jesus this is 4-5 year old levels of animation, not to mention just how stiff it is. As for anaxes, they really did not give two shits about galatic geography, and this show has made the mandalorians be the most overrated bunch of mary and gary stus out there and everyone fellates them, the less said about their retarded indestructible armor the better.
Thank you so much for all of your TCW reviews. I’m an ex-TCW fan who grew up on the show, once loved it, but recently realized behind the nonstalgia was writing far worse than anything George Lucas produced. And with your reviews, the show’s failure is complete.
And Filoni groupies put too much stock in George Lucas for this, ironically by trying to point fingers everywhere but in their own house. Example. They insist George hated Mara Jade, but let's not IGNORE the fact that he STILL allowed her to exist, and stories to be made about her. Ditto, George HATED the idea of dark-side spirits - FILONI'S WORDS, not his, and yet, by that metric (which is what most of these are, secondhand accounts), he still allowed Filoni to do it, didn't he? Kinda puts TCW in a whole new context a whole cult of brainwashed fanboys are NOT willing to honestly examine.
Well...they tried. I still can't help but see her as the lady who betrayed her family to join the Star Wars version of skinheads, possibly dated the leader of said skinheads, was second in command of said skinheads, and then became leader of a splinter faction of said skinheads when the rest decided to follow a sith assassin for defeating their leader (also, by Mandalorian custom, Bo Katan was the one in the wrong considering the leader agreed that he who won ruled and Maul mauled him).
It's honestly funny that they try bringing up Ani as a 'get out of jail free' card whenever someone points out how atrocious Bozo-Katan's character is Apparently they think she deserved redemption more despite the fact she never actually suffered for her decisions and AT NO POINT showed any sort of regret for gaslighting a civil war among her people in the Clone Wars and THEN got their asses almost COMPLETELY annihilated in Rebels
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 Your take on Filoni version of Thrawn in Rebels will be interesting. As for Mary Sue, will you think Ezra is a Gary Stu is the next big question ?
I appreciate you doing all of the reviews. Thanks a lot, it was a fun series. Do you think you could do a list of stories and/or comics that cover this era in SW in the best way? Something like your idealized canon?
Holy shit you’re totally right. Adding Ahsoka per se wasn’t a sin, but making her Anakin’s apprentice and also making her pretty Mary Sueish was annoying. Even back in 2008 when they added Ahsoka I was reluctant to accept it, it was supposed to be about Anakin and Obi Wan, only duos were allowed. This is obnoxious. Worst part is that the shills have won, the Disney Star Wars fans took over… Now it’s time for True Star Wars fans to take back what is ours
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 I highly recommend you give the Star Wars: Vector Crossover/Storyline Event a try. It features Celeste Morne, an ancient Jedi who comes from a secret organization of the Jedi Order. The secret organization in question is called the Covenant, which explains why she was never alluded to in both the films and previous material.
Season 7 Episodes Ranked: 12: 7x06 Deal No Deal 11: 7x07 Dangerous Debt 10: 7x05 Gone With A Trace 9: 7x03 The Wings of Keeradaks 8: 7x08 Together Again 7: 7x02 A Distant Echo 6: 7x01 The Bad Batch 5: 7x04 Unfinished Business 4: 7x09 Old Friends Not Forgotten 3: 7x11 Shattered 2: 7x10 Phantom Apprentice 1: 7x12 Victory and Death
Kessel is wrongly depicted. The time line Asoka spent after leaving the Jedi order until the events in the last arc (ROTS) just don't add up in terms of actual time passing. Besides the stupid sisters arc was a huge puke in the gutter, Asoka should've lost big time to Maul on the roof of the alleged Mandalorian city, but instead Maul went retard and forgot how to Force-jump 🤦 PS: you cannot Force-deflect a blaster bolt! Vader blocked them with his artificial hand. PPS: Assoka had no way of escaping the troopers before she went up in the vents in the final episode... 🤦
You actually can deflect blaster bolts with force barriers, which every Jedi and Sith can utilize, but aside from that you’re right. Ahsoka also should speedblitz every single trooper anyways, but this show portrays Jedi as barely peak human speed fodder for whatever reason.
Not only is replacin Echos Arm with a Slicing tool totally stupid, they even missed the opportunity to do something with him on a psychological level! in the RC-Novels we had a clone trooper called Corr, who lost both hands in battle and got them replaced by cheap cybernetics. he got sent to a republic logistics center, making him question if he is still worth anything. he felt like he lost his purpose, like he is of no more use! THATS something to work with...but Dave is just too stupid for that. Furthermore, its even MORE stupid that Rex' only conclusion from the Droids learning their tactics is Echo being alive! bro, that guy was gone for like a YEAR, and you dont think the droids might learn your tactics if they are still based on idas you had with Echo one year ago???
@@SolurVoludun yeah, absolutely! and Dark Lord while youre at it. it gives you a way more mature insight on Order 66. Lets just say Legends Order 66 is like Andor, Canon Order 66 is like Rebels... one is dark, smart and complex, the other one infantile, stupid and superficial.
@ by Dark Lord you mean Labyrinth of Evil, the ROTS Novelization and Rise of Darth Vader? Because I just read those and they were great. Right now I’m reading the Darth Bane Trilogy, I don’t know if I’ll move to the Thrawn Trilogy or Plagueis or Republic Commando after that, I have don’t have much space for many books left in my room and I don’t feel comfortable reading PDF Files, so I must be selective. Reading comics online is more confortable, though, I loved Republic
@@SolurVoludun Republic was great! Well i mean "Dark Lord", the rise of Darth Vader, by James Luceno. Bane is fantastic as well, so are the Republic Commando books.
One thing about the Martez sister arc is that...why wasn't there an aftermath of Ahsoka leaving arc sooner!! It's been over a whole season and barely any mention of ahsoka by any of the characters!! Especially Anakin, you know the guy with attachment issues. Why wasn't there an arc showing how badly this affects him!! How can we buy Ahsoka having such a huge effect!! on his turn if he seems unbothered by her absence and doesn't seem upset with the jedi!!!
1:02:54. Nope. Maul telling the criminal elements to go underground makes ZERO sense because by the time of Rebels, Maul is alone on the planet Malachor (yes, that Malachor) and his criminal empire isn't alluded to at all. The show makes it clear that he's lost everything, when according to Solo and Clone Wars he should have the crime syndicate at his beck and call still.
What's also odd is how Disney labels this show a Disney+ original despite only the last season being Disney+ original. Marketing gimmick, sure. But still kinda shitty for Disney to pat themselves on the back for a show they themselves cancelled. Hell, they knew people liked this show, so why only bring it back for one season? Also, part of me kind of wishes that the Disney buyout happened just a bit later because the Yuuzhan Vong were planned to make a small appearance to connect it with the expanded universe. If that part of the show had been made, then it would've been impossible for Disney to ignore the post-RotJ stories without making Filoni's show entirely noncanon.
The Ahsoka arc would have been much better if it had been Ahsoka and Lux, two characters that already have a pre established chemistry, that had got themselves entangled with the Pykes. It wouldn’t be the first time Lux has gotten in way over his head and Ahsoka has had to bail him out of a sticky situation (that season 4 with Lux getting involved with Death Watch). With Lux returning to Onderon to aid Saw Gerrera’s partisans and Ahsoka going to Mandalore with Bo-Katan. Instead we get those two annoying sisters who nobody gives a flying f**k about. Speaking of Lux, I can’t remember what happened to him so I wonder if he will turn up in the Ahsoka series.
I have a conspiracy theory that in order to get the green light for the 7th season, Kennedy mandated that at least a third of the episodes be dedicated to strong wahmen. That's the only way the arc makes any sense to me, especially since literally, not figuratively, *_literally_* nothing happens in the 3rd episode; it ends in the exact same place it began.
@@FriendlyDarkwraith it felt like such a waste to have those episodes in so small a season. They could have easily reintroduced Ahsoka when we first see her at the beginning of the Siege of Mandalore arc, the Ahsoka episodes could have been replaced with any of the other stories that never got passed the animatics stage. But yeah you’re right there was definitely a politics before story decision made to green light season 7
52:40 It's even worse. Let's remember that the chancellor is also the first-in-command in the Republican army. His capture is kinda a killing blow for his side. Not even speaking of the civilians on a planet. But yeah, of course, one planet is fa-ar more important than THE GALACTIC CAPITAL. U go girlboss.
Yeah, the only reason people love this shit so much is how much of it came from the EU Filoni plagiarized and disavowed. Ah yes, but he's working against Disney, huh? The dude took the Tales of the Jedi name AND logo like weeks after Tom Veitch died and didn't even mention it once. It's not the first time he's been caught hiding where he gets his Legends inspiration. THE VERY SAME SHIT AS KATHLEEN KENNEDY.
Glad I ain’t the only one. Now sure the show has good moments like the Mortis Arc and Yoda meeting the Whills. But that’s about it. I felt like that way the only time that Dave listened and worked with George while the rest of the time, he just went and did his own shit. Lucas allowed him to because he knew that if he got involved, he felt like he would cause trouble. Which is false. This is was Lucas’s idea. To create a tv show expanding the war in the prequel era. It’s sad that fans only like this shit because “it’s what the prequels should’ve been.” It just goes to show that they’re not that different than the corporations. They don’t care what’s good for the story, they only like what the polls say.
@@gaget5455 No that's not it. Not true. No people also like it because it's a masterpiece, no they are different. They do care what's good for the story, nope wrong.
1:04:38 I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but in the defense of Ahsoka, she's a main character and a good guy, and she has the plot on her side that's states she doesn't die here, as well as Maul not trying to kill her, as he wants to team up with her so that together they can kill the Emperor, which, if I'm remembering that correctly, is completely stupid. Maul is also LITERALLY half the Sith he used to be. The entirety of his lower half is mechanical, which means he's not as agile as he used to be, and that's half of his Midichlorians gone, and half of his body that the force cannot work its way through. It's also pretty amazing he's able to fight as good as he does considering all that, and from the end of the Phantom Menace to his fight with Kenobi after all those years, he never fought. He never fought, he never trained, he just wasted like 10 years being a crazy spider person. So in all reality, Ashoka is going up against a crippled, out of practice Sith Lord that is trying not to kill her.
@@BrandontheAwesome Fuck no, dude. I've hated the bitch since day one. I'm just being honest and impartial here and giving a very plausible explanation for why things went the way they did.
I like to think of TCW as an in-universe historian’s attempt to reconstruct the Clone Wars during the New Republic Era. But COMPNOR destroyed the records, fabricated a false history and some HoloNet reports survived. So the historian had to piece together everything he had available. That’s why the Republic always wins, Anakin is nothing like in the movies or the EU, among others
You must do Rebels next. You've already done the Bad Batch and no one cares about that show and nothing changes from your last review of it. I'd be interested in your thoughts on Thrawn becoming a live action character in it ? Bail, Hondo and Saw show up in the Rebels too And yes play the Last of US of Game, it'd considered one of the best games out there for a reason
@sexallatusangelus4472 Yep there's a lot of terrible things in Rebels. Including Filoni indulging his wolf obsession. He originally had Ahsoka riding round on a Giant Wolf but he gives it to Ezra instead
I think I understand now. Your problem with The Bad Batch wasn’t that it was a bad sequel to The Clone Wars. You thought it was, but that was only because at the time, while your opinion on it was waning, you thought you liked The Clone Wars. I was confused how you would like The Clone Wars and not The Bad Batch since they have all of the same strengths and weaknesses of each other, but now I think I get it. Your problem wasn’t that it was a “bad” continuation of The Clone Wars, but that it was a continuation of The Clone Wars at all. You just thought you still liked The Clone Wars and had no such feelings towards the at the time brand new Bad Batch, but now that those feelings are gone, now you see them as equally bad.
I think It's far fetz calling her Ahsoka is AmeriSue I know her is isn't perfect character And If her isn't your favorite It's OK One character I don't like is Obi one The many things I don't like about him And Him have many things I do like And I like her Character
Hey JJ this isn't to with season 7 review but I can be like you sometimes rip into stuff hard now ever heard of killing bites it's manga/anime series basic premise a world were people get abilities from animals and fight in a torment why I hate it because it wants to be fun action mortal kombat...ish gore fest but I know was made for the kemonomimi waifu lovers(kemonomimis are human characters that have animal ears and tails sometimes behave like the animal they are like popular cats girls there are not japanese furries keep that in mind)big tits thicc thighs thicc boots and lollies I think I don't actually mind fan serves but this why I like berserk and others better cuz it uses nudity and shock value properly recommended the manga cuz there's no wear else to stream the anime at the least opening is banger for me you have make a video on it if you want to but I want to know I'm harsh critic like you
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 that's a shame I wish you can share your pain with me I have to be mentally prepared for asoka show as that will gona hurt me inside as old eu fan shockingly I have some positives wow and U have non for faloni's work especially plastering his boo everywhere I actually like killing bite's concept and it's art style
Another thing I’ve just realised. In season 5 Mace Windu implies that if Ahsoka returned to the order she would be made a Jedi Knight, therefore making Anakin a Jedi Master. Anakin succeeded in training Ahsoka to the point where the council would have knighted her, so the council could have technically still made him a master.
But in the original timeline them not making him a master makes so much more sense because he had only been a Jedi Knight for 6 months and had never trained a Padawan prior to Revenge of the Sith.
Yet another thing Filoni fails to understand to ignorant applause and cheers from the masses...
Why would promoting Ahsoka also mean that Anakin, her master, gets a promotion? They would just both be Jedi Knights. Mace Windu would never grant Anakin the rank of master.
@@FriendlyDarkwraith a knight who successfully trains a Padawan to knighthood usually receives a promotion to Jedi Master as well. Obi-Wan was promoted to the rank of master upon Anakin’s own promotion. Also Quinlan Vos and Aayla Secura, once master and apprentice, were simultaneously promoted to the ranks of Jedi Master and Jedi Knight respectively.
@@ariesstorm9577 Sure, but Obi-Wan was already on the verge of being promoted before Qui-Gon's death. Becoming a Jedi Knight was a requirement for him to take Anakin as his student as per Qui-Gon's dying wish, but he was already ready to take the trials. And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Obi-Wan already a Jedi Master in AotC, before Anakin became a Jedi Knight?
@@FriendlyDarkwraithI think the way Jocasta nu treated obi wan implies he was a Jedi knight
Because him questioning of the archives hints that he couldn't go through all the Jedi archives that some require master rank to allow learning
Anakin and Ahsoka literally met a few hours before Revenge of the Sith started, and yet, during the movie Anakin doesn't seem worried about his Padawan being on the other side of the Galaxy risking her life, he doesn't even mention her. But sure, TCW fits perfectly with the Prequels, right?
This is what I hated about Ahsoka in 2008, back when I was reading the Revenge of the Sith novel over and over, in that she conflicts with the previously established and far superior Clone Wars multimedia project. She isn't mentioned in the novel and I think to try and shoehorn Anakin into having an apprentice seriously undercuts the tension and mistrust present between him and the Council. It's a complete failure to understand Star Wars. But Dave Filoni "gets it," I hear, more than anyone else at Disney Star Wars? Fah. Dave Filoni paved the way to Disney Star Wars. End of story.
Because he knows she's safe. Yes it does fiti in perfectly.
@@saberiandream316 It wasn't superior at all. It doesn't undercut the tension or mistrust at all. No it isn't at all. No he didn't, he improved Star Wars.
@@Jdudec367 With TCW, Filoni grossly misrepresents Dathomir. He treats the Nightsisters as the ONLY Dathomir witches, when there were plenty of _other_ witch clans that did NOT use the dark side. He's still doing it to this day, as shown by the recent Ahsoka episode, so you CANNOT blame George Lucas, like the Filoni cult does. George admits he hasn't read most of the EU, so WHO is the one who's adding all this EU shit and getting it wrong? With how often Filoni has claimed to be an EU fan, it stands to reason it HAS to be him. The man is full of hot air. All surface, no substance.
@@saberiandream316 No he didn't. No he doesn't, well there was a big reboot going on when it came to legends canon and TCW so...yeah makes sense. No he isn't. Filoni isn't, the EU stuff already contradicts itself and can't all be canon. It isn't him. He isn't full of hot air. Nah he has substance too.
6:27 - 6:46 That's actually framing by filoni, the show clearly wants you to take her side in whatever matter/situation she's in. Anakin and Obi-Wan have committed countless war crimes themselves, while not being characterized as being disrespectful towards the sanctity of a ceasefire. It's like if George had AOTC actively take Anakin's side despite his questionable decisions, minus the Tusken raider part considering the fact they're savages.
You know, it's ironic, that for as much as the Republic WINS the war, and is rarely if ever shown losing, that you'd think that's even MORE reason to act urgently to stop the invasion of Coruscant, given that as framed in the context of the show, it could just be a last, desperate gasp to get the edge over their enemy who has outwitted them at every turn. Plus, it's literally not politics when the Jedi were SHOWN that they obey the laws of the Senate, and the Chancellor is _President of the Senate..._ God, why the hell do people even like Ahsoka? Low standards is a plague on this fandom...
The Siege of Mandalore arc suffered from contradictions that was established in the Ahsoka novel. If only Dave Filoni either read the novel or used Wookieepedia and took notes, but he doesn't seem to care about contradictions and only cares about his own work.
Also, Ahsoka taking out thugs, Mandos, and her own clones is laughably impossible, like Mary Sue level that would give Rey a run for her money. If experienced Jedi like Ki-Adi-Mundi or Aayla Secura couldn't survive Order 66 but a 17 year old Ahsoka could, we have problems. Maul could've taken her out since he was Sidious' apprentice before his defeat on Naboo. I've been hearing people saying "AhSoKa WaS tRaInEd By AnAkIn" which is not much of an excuse.
Plus, she gets her own clone regiment. Why the fuck does this ex-Jedi who's now a CIVILIAN get her own damn clone regiment? In Rebels, she still has a lightsaber and can use the Force, even though she left the way of the Jedi behind. In BOBF, she's extolling the values of the Jedi, preaching against attachment. WHY the hell should she care about what the Jedi thought when she's no longer a Jedi?! Oh wait, because Filoni nixed her love interest (see what I did there?) in TCW Season 7 and wants to use her as a bridge to build the sequels, lol. People need to stop treating Filoni as some great hero who's going to retcon the sequels and restore Legends. That's just a lie perpetuated by clickbait UA-camrs who refuse to stop simping for the overrated cowboy. SMH
@@saberiandream316 yeah this show is damn Good as a standalone series but sucks when you fit it into star wars lore
@@saberiandream316*battalion
Not a regiment
@@clonetrooper2003 Nah it works well when you do that too.
@@saberiandream316 Because she still has experience as a jedi. She became a grey jedi. Because she still values and respects them even if she is no longer a traditional jedi. No that isn't what he did at all and he isn't building a sequel and even if he was that is not why he did that.
Changes I would have made to TCW as a whole:
• make Ahsoka the Padawan of Plo Koon (a universal opinion shared by a few I think)
• not bring back Darth Maul, but still have Savage Opress as a new big bad villain to be the rival of Obi-Wan instead of Grievous
• not have Anakin and Dooku cross blades until revenge of the Sith (plenty of other Jedi for Dooku to duel in the war); that is what Asajj is for
• actually bring the Dark Acolytes from the comics onto the screen, which would serve as proto-Inquisitors of the Galactic Empire (maybe even have a couple serve as first generation Inquisitors when the Galactic Empire is established; Anakin goes from fighting them to being in control of them once he becomes Darth Vader). I hate that the Inquisitors are just there in the comics straight after revenge of the Sith as if they had always been around.
In my head canon Asajj Ventress is actually half Dathomirian and half Rattataki, her mother having had an affair with a Rattataki warlord while on a mission and the reason why a bounty hunter comes to Dathomir to take her back to her father in exchange for keeping the Nightsister’s honour intact. They return to Rattatak where the Hal’sted adopts her when her father and his family are killed.
Don't forget:
Give the cis more on screen victories.
Use grevious sparingly, and not have him loose all the time.
Sev'rance tann.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 and since TCW retcons deaths so flamboyantly, they could easily retcon Sev’rance Tann’s death and she could replace Grievous’ role in the series.
Also the Dark Acolytes should have been a thing in the series, so that by the war’s end the people could scarcely tell the difference between the good Jedi and the bad Jedi, to them they are all to blame for the war
Tge Dark Acolytes could have been like retooled as a Ginyu Force or an Evil Sentai Taskforce.
Bringing back Maul was fine for me. When I saw episode 1, I thought "you could survive being cut at the waist by a lightsaber". So when I saw they brought him back, I was happy to be right. Besides, they did improve his character significantly, so its not a huge blow to canon.
Durge instead of Savage, Clancy Brown would’ve been perfect for him.
Ashoka doing impossible sh**: I smell a Mary Sue.
But these ignorant and agenda-driven UA-camrs who hate Rey keep telling me she isn't! Hmmm...
Ahsoka: reflects shits that kills clones, and releases maul and tells him “do what you do” (aka go kill the clones”
1episode later: their good soldiers I am not going to kill them
Too late for that since she’s the cause most of them are dead and just reflected shots at their face
I’m posting this comment before watching the whole video, so it might mention some things the video mentions.
Here we are, The Siege of Mandalore arc. It’s perhaps one of, if not, the worst retcons in disney canon. The choice to have Order 66 be initiated in the Star Destroyer was the cause of the many problems that exist with Filoni’s retcons, which include but is not limited to Ahsoka’s questionable decisions.
First off, it SIGNIFICANTLY decreases Ahsoka’s chances of making it out of Order 66 intact, let alone alive. That and no amount of retconned in training will excuse it. Training which, BTW, only serves to make me question Filoni’s writing skills. The fact Ahsoka was specifically trained for the same exact situation she found herself in was UNBELIEVABLY and impossibly convenient, it’s as convenient as Anakin being specifically trained to counter Obi-Wan’s strike that resulted in him losing the rest of his limbs, being burned alive, and as result, losing most of his potential in the force. I can forgive that if it weren’t for the stupid decision to have Order 66 happen in the Star Destroyer. Originally, in the Ahsoka Tano Novel, Order 66 happened while Ahsoka was STILL in Mandalore. She and Rex, who had already removed his INhIbiTor ChIP BEFORE the siege, managed to fake their deaths and escape. Maul also used this distraction to his advantage to escape after having been caught in a ray shield. Filoni’s retcon on the other hand, needlessly brought about extensive damage to the arc by having Ahsoka pretend to be all high and mighty when she pretends to not be the cause of the deaths of Jessie and countless other Clone Troopers. That’s despite the fact she willingly let Maul escape and cause the Star Destroyer to crash, knowing full well that he would do such a thing without restraining him in the least. That’s evident from the line: “Now go cause some chaos, it’s what you’re good at.”
Moving on, the choice to not have Rex already remove his INhIbiTor ChIP is a weird one, considering the fact he was supposedly told of their existence by Fives. That results in the scene in which Fives reportedly shares that highly-guarded secret being made completely pointless. That choice was clearly made to have Ahsoka, being the high and mighty mary sue that she was, remove the INhIbiTor ChIP for him. I remember reading a comment the other day where it talked about Ahsoka and Maul being able to put everyone else on-board the Star Destroyer into a trance of some kind, and then individually remove the INhIbiTor ChIPs of each Clone Trooper. Instead, they went with making her look high and mighty despite her questionable actions and what they entail.
Thirdly, it makes Maul look like a wimp compared to Ahsoka. Obi-Wan in his PRIME, mind you, had a hard time against Maul, but Ahsoka didn’t even struggle the least bit when it came to fighting Maul directly. She was even mocking and making fun of him by saying something along the lines of: “You’re lucky my master didn’t come, he’d have wiped the floor with you”. Now, keep in mind that Ahsoka was only a PADAWAN who wasn’t even close to being promoted to Jedi Knight and was only offered a promotion as compensation (which doesn’t make sense since Ahsoka’s actions only served to incriminate her in THAT arc). That fight would’ve and should’ve been more of a challenge for Ahsoka. Everything is yet again, written to make Ahsoka seem more prominent than she should be, which results in her unnecessarily overshadowing and outshining other characters.
In all honesty. If the inhibitor chips were a plot device to allow Filoni to keep his fav clones alive. He should've just had all his faves be ARC Troopers and Commandos because they had more personality and individuality than standard troops and upon recollection a lot of the clones that didn't follow through with Order 66 were those rather than rank in file troops. And the ones who did who still followed through legitimately either despised Jedi, perceived betrayal, or were just following the order because the contingency
Edit: Also Screw the "I can't kill my own troops" melodrama. No other Jedi who survived the initial call and onslaught had a problem killing the clones. But Ashoka does because she's the only "good" Jedi
Er, actually, Jedi Master Shryne took issues with it. However, that was also during the final days of the Clone Wars when they felt it could be a Separatist deception. Once the war was over, they did what they had to do. Shryne still wasn't happy about it, though.
@@saberiandream316 I have to look into that story. It's been awhile since i've gone through the early imperial works
shryne i am so glad in Germany we have Labyrinth of evil and dark lord voice acted
@@laisphinto6372lucky
I pretty much prefer the Legends-version of Order 66, cause many if not most clones knew the endgame of the Clone Wars. Clones from the 501st described their experience during the Clone Wars and Order 66 in their journals in "Star Wars: Battlefront 2" from 2005. And I think that makes it just as tragic as their Canon counterparts and that's why I pretty much enjoy it. They were always loyal to Palpatine and the republic, not the jedi, even after 3 whole years.
They knew about Order 66 all along and they went along with it, even in the prequels it is shown or at least hinted:
- When Cody is informed of Order 66 by Darth Sidious, he says to the AT-TE to "blast him" referring to Obi-Wan scaling the cliff off to the side of the battle, that gun/AT-TE fires almost instantly after the order is given. It's already pointed in the direction of Obi-Wan and only needs to adjust slightly for elevation, it's aiming way off away from the battle, pointing at a bare cliff face only Obi-Wan is in that area. That gun was tracking Obi-Wan since he departed from Cody and his men, waiting for the signal "Blast him" which is so casually delivered by Cody.
- When Yoda is attacked by Commander Gree and a scout trooper on Kashyyyk, Gree is off at the back and recieved a communique from Sidious and addresses him literally by his Sith name (just as Cody does), not as "Chancellor Palpatine". He then walks up to the scout trooper that stood right behind Yoda and nods at him. The scout trooper is not given a communique, he would've been overheard by Yoda if he had been given one, the scout trooper is given no order by Gree, who did receive the communique, he's just given a nod. A signal, a que. Like they were briefed beforehand and the scout trooper was standing in position, waiting for the moment to take the shot, just waiting for the nod. It is just dark if you look at it that way...
- Same as the Jedi on the speeder bike: the two (I believe) 91st Recon troopers on bikes accompanying her, look over to each other and nod like "Yep, I got the call. Let's do it". If they were inhibitor-chips, each clone would receive the order through their helmet and just act right there and then, not pre-plan and co-ordinate and nod to each other in a scheming way.
- And Commander Bacara and his troops approached Ki Adi Mundi on Mygeeto and prepared to fire before they all took the shot at the same time. Bacara had probably already received the order beforehand and was probably waiting for the right moment. Also, in Battlefront 2, one of the clones said in his journals "Keeping Mundi in the dark wasn't easy".
- And Commander Bly on Felucia probably received Order 66 beforehand as well and was waiting at the right moment before he and his men shot Aayla Secura. In "Battlefront 2", one of the clones reports about her death in his journals "General Secura wanted to make point of seeing us all off personally, said we were the best damn soldiers she'd ever fought with, it was a good thing we were all wearing helmets... Because none of us could bear to look her in the eye...
And as much as I think the clones knew in the CWMMP, through the final stages of the war, the last few months. I think they knew.
A darker plot to the inhibitor-chips of the new Canon.
Failoni does everything the prequel haters accuse George of
A general review of pre-2008 Clone Wars media could be titled The Clone Wars Multimedia Project Destroys Dave Filoni's The Clone Wars.
because they worked together hell Episode 3 is massive in EU references
Lovely the final season of your Clone Wars review, I want to say I've enjoyed watching your previous season reviews. And I'm glad that I came across your channel, you have truly earned my respect with your honest reviews and your passion when it comes to Star Wars. I've also really enjoyed your reviews of the old EU. I'll continue watching your content with great interest. Keep up the good work mate and again thank you.
You fill me with the hope Disney Star Wars fails to elicit in me. Thank you.
I just find it hilarious that....the Clone Wars MULTI-MEDIA Project, which encompasses various novels, comics, games and its own show, actually flows better as a timeline for the Clone Wars and fits seemingly like a glove into the PT, this all the way back in 2003. Like you know how much of a challenge that would be across several different media platforms? Compared to a singular show, which should be easier to do? But no....the SINGLE show fails at being connective tissue, compared to the MULTIPLE MEDIA.
You know. I used to wish Filoni would finish ALL the unfinished episodes. Now I just don’t care anymore.
especially the one arc that made grievous competent
i wish to congratuate you. the effort you've put in the series is massive. i still love the show though
59:53 To be fair Maul before Darth Plaguies retconned it was actually knowledgeable of the grand plan at least to an extent he was his apprentice legitimately and someone Palpatine admitted he rarely lied to because he was that loyal. He should be considering Dooku knew as well
I like the Bad batch in the first arc. They got a bit messy later. Especially the sniper. Wrecker and Tech were my favorites
I myself have made a list of things that I would change in my own version of the clone wars show. For example making Ahsoka Plo Koon's padawan instead of Anakin's and also Ahsoka, Anakin and Bariss having roughly the same age.
I agree, although I headcanon Ahsoka being closer to Obi-Wan's age.
@@ximthedespot4673 Really? Obi Wan and Ahsoka the same age? Why?
@@lukescrew1981 Mostly based on the pre-TCW timeline for the EU. Plo Koon became a member of the Jedi Council about 12 years before Episode 1. The only apprentice I knew he had was a Jedi named Bultar Swan, whose master had died in the line of duty a year prior to the movie.
@@ximthedespot4673 actually having Bultar Swan being Ahsoka’s master might also have worked actually. She was well known for having never taken a life, always incapacitating her enemies. Having her and Ahsoka as master and apprentice would have been like the dynamic between Obi-Wan and Anakin, the more reserved teacher being exasperated with the much more gun-ho and headstrong student.
@@ximthedespot4673 Plo Koon became a member of the council in 44 BBY, replacing his former master Tyvokka. He took over the training of Bultar Swan in 33 BBY when her master, fellow council member Micah Giiett, was killed during the Yinchorri Crisis. I don’t know how old Bultar Swan was when this occurred or when she was knighted.
I don't like filoni clone wars because how lighthearted family friendly watered down censored and pg it's I don't like how the force is just a plot armor for filoni I don't how every jedi master seem to fight the same way as the others there are barely any display of the lightsaber forms, dooku also was skilled in all forms not just makashi, like Dave filoni made him in those shows, ashoka tano don't fit with George Lucas canon continuity, the animation movements looks stiff clunky and slow, the 2003 clone wars fit George Lucas canon continuity better than those series and the clone wars eu comics are far better written
Filoni uses George to shy away from his rightful roasting, but just because George let him do whatever he wanted doesn't mean he should be let off the hook. He's still doing that even now.
The final review for TCW! I really can't wait for your thoughts on Rebels.
I remember hearing about the Bad Batch years ago as a concept when TCW got cancelled. They sounded like a cool concept.
The problem with streaming shows is they generally have very few episodes. vs TCW back in the day have 20+ episodes each season like older tv shows used to have.
Tbh JJ I'd actually love to see you review Dark Disciple. I'd pay you to review it.
The martez sister's arc was so mehhhhhhhhh.....
Siege of Mandalore was the highlight but overall the season was way too short.
I was okay with Ashoka for most of the clone wars but at S7 i staght up hated her.
When Anakin sees her for the first time after she left the order, you can see this visible joy in his eyes.
And it makes sense why he would be happy, he's seeing his little sister after so long, and considering she's made some powerful enemies through out the war and now she's alone and without a light saber she's incredibly vulnerable.
So seeing her safe and sound will naturally bring Anakin joy.
And what about her? Was she relieved that despite putting his life on the line in every mission, Anakin is still alive and well?
Nope, she barely glances at him and moves on with the conversation.
If she treated Obi Wan or literally any other jedi this way it would make some level of sense, she felt betrayed by the order.
BUT ANAKIN?!!
She was indifferent to him.
I hated her from then on.
Then Tales of Jedi came out.
I was excited over it, i thought just like the Clone Wars explored on the clones, Tales of Jedi will explore on the Jedi, we will see more than just Anakin and ObiWan.
Then the first episode was about baby Ashoka.
Why?
Which Ashoka fan was up at night wondering what she was like as an infant?
It adds nothing to her character or story.
They could have explored on jedi like Plo Koon or someone else.
But nope, lets waste this opportunity, money and time to tell a story no one wanted.
I was watching captain ford's video on the subject with a time-line to see the insane damage. It's insane how much Dave filoni butchered the starwars time line especially the clone wars multimedia project
Ahsoka has plot armor so think and indestructible that I am convinced if The Star Wars Universe itself was to explode Ahsoka would survive completely unscathed
11:25 this aged like fine wine
I was looking for this comment
I do really hate the Bad Batch, they are nothing but discount Delta Squad that are stereotypical archetypes. The only I like about them is their armor, that is all. Also I know Anaxes is in the Core Regions. But since this is Disney Canon, it is now retconned to be in the Outer Rim which is pretty stupid. Another nitpick is that the 91st Reconnaissance Core are completely different then what they see and I don’t think they are Mace’s clone. I know Mace Windu has the 187th Legion as his clone region in the Old EU.
One thing no one ever points out either is that the animation for TCW, bad batch and rebels is god awful, yeah they are children's show but just jesus this is 4-5 year old levels of animation, not to mention just how stiff it is.
As for anaxes, they really did not give two shits about galatic geography, and this show has made the mandalorians be the most overrated bunch of mary and gary stus out there and everyone fellates them, the less said about their retarded indestructible armor the better.
@@delta2372 the animation is not god awful at all you're high
@LaserDiscWarrior3043 I'm not high at all
Thank you so much for all of your TCW reviews. I’m an ex-TCW fan who grew up on the show, once loved it, but recently realized behind the nonstalgia was writing far worse than anything George Lucas produced.
And with your reviews, the show’s failure is complete.
I still like the show as a standalone piece but i hate filoni and realize that it is not a good star wars story
Show doesn't suck it all stop being a f****** p****
I am an ex-TCW fan too now. Your reviews made me realize how wrong and unfaithful the show is most of the time
@@Misery7531 maybe it's not that bad, but in my opinion it just works much better as a standalone
Yeah no kidding@@dennis.edich1998
I've always hated too how much EU continuity Dave Filoni's first Star Wars series screwed since its very beginning in 2008.
And Filoni groupies put too much stock in George Lucas for this, ironically by trying to point fingers everywhere but in their own house. Example. They insist George hated Mara Jade, but let's not IGNORE the fact that he STILL allowed her to exist, and stories to be made about her. Ditto, George HATED the idea of dark-side spirits - FILONI'S WORDS, not his, and yet, by that metric (which is what most of these are, secondhand accounts), he still allowed Filoni to do it, didn't he? Kinda puts TCW in a whole new context a whole cult of brainwashed fanboys are NOT willing to honestly examine.
Thry practically turned a Villian like Bo Katan into a Good Gal.
Well...they tried.
I still can't help but see her as the lady who betrayed her family to join the Star Wars version of skinheads, possibly dated the leader of said skinheads, was second in command of said skinheads, and then became leader of a splinter faction of said skinheads when the rest decided to follow a sith assassin for defeating their leader (also, by Mandalorian custom, Bo Katan was the one in the wrong considering the leader agreed that he who won ruled and Maul mauled him).
It's honestly funny that they try bringing up Ani as a 'get out of jail free' card whenever someone points out how atrocious Bozo-Katan's character is
Apparently they think she deserved redemption more despite the fact she never actually suffered for her decisions and AT NO POINT showed any sort of regret for gaslighting a civil war among her people in the Clone Wars and THEN got their asses almost COMPLETELY annihilated in Rebels
Hey man phenomenal work on this series!
Thank You!
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 Your take on Filoni version of Thrawn in Rebels will be interesting. As for Mary Sue, will you think Ezra is a Gary Stu is the next big question ?
Where does the f***ING sniper meme come from?
Angry Video Game Nerd Episode on Dick Tracy
the Ahsoka-painted clone troopers gave kinda blackface vibes 💀 but yeah it's a great in-universe representation of Ahsoka simps
That's like the 187th Legion painting their helmets brown to honor Mace Windu💀
I appreciate you doing all of the reviews. Thanks a lot, it was a fun series. Do you think you could do a list of stories and/or comics that cover this era in SW in the best way? Something like your idealized canon?
Holy shit you’re totally right.
Adding Ahsoka per se wasn’t a sin, but making her Anakin’s apprentice and also making her pretty Mary Sueish was annoying.
Even back in 2008 when they added Ahsoka I was reluctant to accept it, it was supposed to be about Anakin and Obi Wan, only duos were allowed.
This is obnoxious. Worst part is that the shills have won, the Disney Star Wars fans took over…
Now it’s time for True Star Wars fans to take back what is ours
I hope you cover the unrelese episodes like that one where Filoni almost touched the YV.
1:04:02 Actually he should know a little bit but at the same time almost nothing because Anakin basically just showed up in Palpatine's radar
Are you ever gonna review the Legacy comics any time soon or are you trying to read all of the legends material in the correct order ?
When it comes to comics, my lineup is:
-Crimson Empire
-Star Wars Republic
-Star Wars Dark Times
-Star Wars Legacy
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 I highly recommend you give the Star Wars: Vector Crossover/Storyline Event a try. It features Celeste Morne, an ancient Jedi who comes from a secret organization of the Jedi Order. The secret organization in question is called the Covenant, which explains why she was never alluded to in both the films and previous material.
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 It also spans from the KOTOR Era all the way to the Legacy Era.
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149that's the chronological order?
Season 7 Episodes Ranked:
12: 7x06 Deal No Deal
11: 7x07 Dangerous Debt
10: 7x05 Gone With A Trace
9: 7x03 The Wings of Keeradaks
8: 7x08 Together Again
7: 7x02 A Distant Echo
6: 7x01 The Bad Batch
5: 7x04 Unfinished Business
4: 7x09 Old Friends Not Forgotten
3: 7x11 Shattered
2: 7x10 Phantom Apprentice
1: 7x12 Victory and Death
Kessel is wrongly depicted. The time line Asoka spent after leaving the Jedi order until the events in the last arc (ROTS) just don't add up in terms of actual time passing. Besides the stupid sisters arc was a huge puke in the gutter, Asoka should've lost big time to Maul on the roof of the alleged Mandalorian city, but instead Maul went retard and forgot how to Force-jump 🤦
PS: you cannot Force-deflect a blaster bolt! Vader blocked them with his artificial hand.
PPS: Assoka had no way of escaping the troopers before she went up in the vents in the final episode... 🤦
You actually can deflect blaster bolts with force barriers, which every Jedi and Sith can utilize, but aside from that you’re right.
Ahsoka also should speedblitz every single trooper anyways, but this show portrays Jedi as barely peak human speed fodder for whatever reason.
Not only is replacin Echos Arm with a Slicing tool totally stupid, they even missed the opportunity to do something with him on a psychological level! in the RC-Novels we had a clone trooper called Corr, who lost both hands in battle and got them replaced by cheap cybernetics. he got sent to a republic logistics center, making him question if he is still worth anything. he felt like he lost his purpose, like he is of no more use! THATS something to work with...but Dave is just too stupid for that.
Furthermore, its even MORE stupid that Rex' only conclusion from the Droids learning their tactics is Echo being alive! bro, that guy was gone for like a YEAR, and you dont think the droids might learn your tactics if they are still based on idas you had with Echo one year ago???
I should read the Republic Commando novels
@@SolurVoludun yeah, absolutely! and Dark Lord while youre at it. it gives you a way more mature insight on Order 66. Lets just say Legends Order 66 is like Andor, Canon Order 66 is like Rebels... one is dark, smart and complex, the other one infantile, stupid and superficial.
@ by Dark Lord you mean Labyrinth of Evil, the ROTS Novelization and Rise of Darth Vader? Because I just read those and they were great.
Right now I’m reading the Darth Bane Trilogy, I don’t know if I’ll move to the Thrawn Trilogy or Plagueis or Republic Commando after that, I have don’t have much space for many books left in my room and I don’t feel comfortable reading PDF Files, so I must be selective.
Reading comics online is more confortable, though, I loved Republic
@@SolurVoludun Republic was great!
Well i mean "Dark Lord", the rise of Darth Vader, by James Luceno. Bane is fantastic as well, so are the Republic Commando books.
Dayumm this makes sooo much sense used to love this show
TCW overused Mandalore so much.
Bad Batch should’ve just been Delta Squad, they were already in the show I think.
One thing about the Martez sister arc is that...why wasn't there an aftermath of Ahsoka leaving arc sooner!! It's been over a whole season and barely any mention of ahsoka by any of the characters!! Especially Anakin, you know the guy with attachment issues. Why wasn't there an arc showing how badly this affects him!! How can we buy Ahsoka having such a huge effect!! on his turn if he seems unbothered by her absence and doesn't seem upset with the jedi!!!
Ahsoka is the biggest Mary sue in fiction 🤦🏼😊
I'd rather have her than Rey 😊.
@@bryanferratt6598 #FakeFan
@@BrandontheAwesomeat least ahsoka actually trained
@@leonrussell9607 Except she doesn't make any sense when you think about it for five seconds.
@@BrandontheAwesome didn't say otherwise
You should review the room 2003
I never watched the martez sister arch
One of the best reviews of the final season tbh. Ahsoka antagonizing Obiwan never sat well with me, even back when I thought this arc was good.
Finally, you said something that isn't stupid!
1:02:54. Nope. Maul telling the criminal elements to go underground makes ZERO sense because by the time of Rebels, Maul is alone on the planet Malachor (yes, that Malachor) and his criminal empire isn't alluded to at all. The show makes it clear that he's lost everything, when according to Solo and Clone Wars he should have the crime syndicate at his beck and call still.
I completely respect your opinion and see many of your points. Definitely has me thinking about the show.
What's also odd is how Disney labels this show a Disney+ original despite only the last season being Disney+ original. Marketing gimmick, sure. But still kinda shitty for Disney to pat themselves on the back for a show they themselves cancelled. Hell, they knew people liked this show, so why only bring it back for one season?
Also, part of me kind of wishes that the Disney buyout happened just a bit later because the Yuuzhan Vong were planned to make a small appearance to connect it with the expanded universe. If that part of the show had been made, then it would've been impossible for Disney to ignore the post-RotJ stories without making Filoni's show entirely noncanon.
NO. NO NO NO NO NO. Filoni would NOT have done justice to the Vong.
Probably not.
Best way to retcon this series it's republic propaganda everything about it screams state propaganda
The Ahsoka arc would have been much better if it had been Ahsoka and Lux, two characters that already have a pre established chemistry, that had got themselves entangled with the Pykes. It wouldn’t be the first time Lux has gotten in way over his head and Ahsoka has had to bail him out of a sticky situation (that season 4 with Lux getting involved with Death Watch). With Lux returning to Onderon to aid Saw Gerrera’s partisans and Ahsoka going to Mandalore with Bo-Katan. Instead we get those two annoying sisters who nobody gives a flying f**k about.
Speaking of Lux, I can’t remember what happened to him so I wonder if he will turn up in the Ahsoka series.
I have a conspiracy theory that in order to get the green light for the 7th season, Kennedy mandated that at least a third of the episodes be dedicated to strong wahmen. That's the only way the arc makes any sense to me, especially since literally, not figuratively, *_literally_* nothing happens in the 3rd episode; it ends in the exact same place it began.
@@FriendlyDarkwraith it felt like such a waste to have those episodes in so small a season. They could have easily reintroduced Ahsoka when we first see her at the beginning of the Siege of Mandalore arc, the Ahsoka episodes could have been replaced with any of the other stories that never got passed the animatics stage.
But yeah you’re right there was definitely a politics before story decision made to green light season 7
I wonder why they Replace Crosshair for Omega in Team?
Wrecker = Clone Shrek
That is insulting…..to Shrek
Storm Trooper Task Force 99 was cooler 🗣 Kreel the GOAT
“It’s here. It’s here. It’s here. It’s here.”
Edit: After thinking about it, I can’t really choose which Martez sister is more insufferable.
Lucasfilm should have learn from Toei when they make 50 episodes of One Piecw per year.
By Mandalore Rules, Ex-Darth Maul is the Rightful Ruler.
52:40
It's even worse. Let's remember that the chancellor is also the first-in-command in the Republican army. His capture is kinda a killing blow for his side. Not even speaking of the civilians on a planet.
But yeah, of course, one planet is fa-ar more important than THE GALACTIC CAPITAL. U go girlboss.
This show really is the most overrated shit in Star Wars
Yeah, the only reason people love this shit so much is how much of it came from the EU Filoni plagiarized and disavowed. Ah yes, but he's working against Disney, huh? The dude took the Tales of the Jedi name AND logo like weeks after Tom Veitch died and didn't even mention it once. It's not the first time he's been caught hiding where he gets his Legends inspiration. THE VERY SAME SHIT AS KATHLEEN KENNEDY.
@@saberiandream316 They also love it because it's what they think the prequels should have been
Glad I ain’t the only one. Now sure the show has good moments like the Mortis Arc and Yoda meeting the Whills. But that’s about it. I felt like that way the only time that Dave listened and worked with George while the rest of the time, he just went and did his own shit. Lucas allowed him to because he knew that if he got involved, he felt like he would cause trouble. Which is false. This is was Lucas’s idea. To create a tv show expanding the war in the prequel era. It’s sad that fans only like this shit because “it’s what the prequels should’ve been.” It just goes to show that they’re not that different than the corporations. They don’t care what’s good for the story, they only like what the polls say.
@@saberiandream316 No people love it cuz it's great, he didn't plagierize or disavow anything. At least Dave is respectful unlike KK.
@@gaget5455 No that's not it. Not true. No people also like it because it's a masterpiece, no they are different. They do care what's good for the story, nope wrong.
Ahsoka is the 3rd most powerful Force users in the Galaxy.... Its.....1. Luie. 2. Anakin. 3. Soka. 4. Sheev palp. 5. Yoda
1:04:38 I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but in the defense of Ahsoka, she's a main character and a good guy, and she has the plot on her side that's states she doesn't die here, as well as Maul not trying to kill her, as he wants to team up with her so that together they can kill the Emperor, which, if I'm remembering that correctly, is completely stupid. Maul is also LITERALLY half the Sith he used to be. The entirety of his lower half is mechanical, which means he's not as agile as he used to be, and that's half of his Midichlorians gone, and half of his body that the force cannot work its way through. It's also pretty amazing he's able to fight as good as he does considering all that, and from the end of the Phantom Menace to his fight with Kenobi after all those years, he never fought. He never fought, he never trained, he just wasted like 10 years being a crazy spider person. So in all reality, Ashoka is going up against a crippled, out of practice Sith Lord that is trying not to kill her.
#AhsokaSimp
@@BrandontheAwesome Fuck no, dude. I've hated the bitch since day one. I'm just being honest and impartial here and giving a very plausible explanation for why things went the way they did.
Overall i think TCW is damn good as a standalone show but lorewise when it comes to star wars, botht the EU and the 6 films, it is trash all day
I like to think of TCW as an in-universe historian’s attempt to reconstruct the Clone Wars during the New Republic Era.
But COMPNOR destroyed the records, fabricated a false history and some HoloNet reports survived. So the historian had to piece together everything he had available.
That’s why the Republic always wins, Anakin is nothing like in the movies or the EU, among others
I enjoyed Bad Batch more than rebels so far. I d rather take them than Ezra and Zeb.
The reason Rey didn’t leave Jakku was, because she felt her parents would come back there.
Still doesn't prevent her from being one of the worst characters in cinema.
@@BrandontheAwesome And not to mention Sonia from TOTK being one of the worst in gaming
@clonetrooper2003 What’s TOTK?
So you can say also? but most of the time I hear oso
You must do Rebels next. You've already done the Bad Batch and no one cares about that show and nothing changes from your last review of it.
I'd be interested in your thoughts on Thrawn becoming a live action character in it ?
Bail, Hondo and Saw show up in the Rebels too
And yes play the Last of US of Game, it'd considered one of the best games out there for a reason
@sexallatusangelus4472 Yep there's a lot of terrible things in Rebels. Including Filoni indulging his wolf obsession. He originally had Ahsoka riding round on a Giant Wolf but he gives it to Ezra instead
thrawn was pretty weak in rebels. Captain pellaolon was missing and regardless of good voice acting his writing was shit
@@Misery7531 #FakeFan
@@BrandontheAwesome f*** off you ass stop calling me that your faker then your Grandma's hip
@@Misery7531#TriggeredFakeFan
I think I understand now. Your problem with The Bad Batch wasn’t that it was a bad sequel to The Clone Wars. You thought it was, but that was only because at the time, while your opinion on it was waning, you thought you liked The Clone Wars. I was confused how you would like The Clone Wars and not The Bad Batch since they have all of the same strengths and weaknesses of each other, but now I think I get it. Your problem wasn’t that it was a “bad” continuation of The Clone Wars, but that it was a continuation of The Clone Wars at all. You just thought you still liked The Clone Wars and had no such feelings towards the at the time brand new Bad Batch, but now that those feelings are gone, now you see them as equally bad.
I think It's far fetz calling her Ahsoka is AmeriSue I know her is isn't perfect character And If her isn't your favorite It's OK One character I don't like is Obi one The many things I don't like about him And Him have many things I do like And I like her Character
#FiloniShill
I don’t get it… I still believe this show holds up today.
The you are lost.
Ha, ha, very funny@@BrandontheAwesome
@@BrandontheAwesome your the one who is lost shut up and stop being so uncultured
@@BrandontheAwesome get off the fucking internet already stupid phoney
@@BrandontheAwesome this show doesn't suck at all you 💩
Calling something a hot take is getting cliche, but your take on TCW is so hot Vader's getting flashbacks to Mustafar right now
All false
Hey JJ this isn't to with season 7 review but I can be like you sometimes rip into stuff hard now ever heard of killing bites it's manga/anime series basic premise a world were people get abilities from animals and fight in a torment why I hate it because it wants to be fun action mortal kombat...ish gore fest but I know was made for the kemonomimi waifu lovers(kemonomimis are human characters that have animal ears and tails sometimes behave like the animal they are like popular cats girls there are not japanese furries keep that in mind)big tits thicc thighs thicc boots and lollies I think I don't actually mind fan serves but this why I like berserk and others better cuz it uses nudity and shock value properly recommended the manga cuz there's no wear else to stream the anime at the least opening is banger for me you have make a video on it if you want to but I want to know I'm harsh critic like you
I'm not into Anime. I'm sorry.
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 that's a shame I wish you can share your pain with me I have to be mentally prepared for asoka show as that will gona hurt me inside as old eu fan shockingly I have some positives wow and U have non for faloni's work especially plastering his boo everywhere I actually like killing bite's concept and it's art style
@jjplagirism My response to your opinion: i have take a call.
It's the circus they want a new clown by the name of jj plagiarism.
I feel like you're being just nitpicky here...